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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Mercedes Man Cave. It's it's Dan patch Trick.
Speaker 1: We're an hour in and a lot of headlines here.
Speaker 1: It's been a crazy morning, obviously, with Luke Keekley retiring,
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald's coming back for a seventeenth season. We got
Speaker 1: some new Hall of famers, including jimbo Coverts in there,
Speaker 1: Harold Carmichael, the former Philadelphia Eagle wide receiver. Who else
Speaker 1: did I miss in that group? Mclovin that the audience
Speaker 1: would probably be aware of. There's some older plants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Donnie Shell, he was with the Steel Curtain, but he
Speaker 1: was sort of that extra defensive back who came in. Oh, um,
Speaker 1: George Young, you didn't mention, I don't know the Giants GM.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was great. It was great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Purcel's obviously Tagley boos haring a lot of attention on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Why the negativity with the football writers with Paul Tagle
Speaker 1: Did he put his head in the sand over steroids?
Speaker 1: I mean, not steroids, over head injuries. That's why writers
Speaker 1: don't like them. There's a line in the book okay,
Speaker 1: but how many of those media members cared. I mean
Speaker 1: we can now look back and say, where was the
Speaker 1: NFL on this? I mean the players didn't care, the
Speaker 1: league didn't care, and fans didn't care, and the media
Speaker 1: didn't care. Right. I don't think the media knew. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone knew the extentment. I still don't think
Speaker 1: people understand, well, what did he know and when did
Speaker 1: he know it? I'd be curious about that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's sort of like there's things that are right in
Speaker 1: front of your faith that are so obvious that then
Speaker 1: once it's said, like you know boxers, right, well, we
Speaker 1: all know that that's like head traumas. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: like you can say that watching NFL players age and
Speaker 1: all that stuff happening. I mean, it was sort of
Speaker 1: right there. But was it just too obvious? I just
Speaker 1: remember watching as a fan and it didn't dawn on
Speaker 1: me of what kind of head But you know, they
Speaker 1: played the game differently. They actually tackled better. The form
Speaker 1: tackling was better back then. If you go back, how
Speaker 1: many head on collisions did you have back then? How
Speaker 1: many times did you use your helmet back then? In
Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies. You know, one of the first
Speaker 1: times I ever saw something like that was Jack Tatum.
Speaker 1: You know, Jack Tatum hit Darryl Stingley, and it was
Speaker 1: so shocking. That was a preseason game. You just didn't
Speaker 1: see players lead with their helmet. They hit you, but
Speaker 1: it felt like they hit you, and there was a
Speaker 1: There was a competition, obviously, but there was a respect
Speaker 1: among offenses and defenses. Now you can watch Dick Buckis,
Speaker 1: you know, clothesline somebody or drive somebody into the ground. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have outliers in there and the way they play
Speaker 1: the game, or Ray Nitzky, but you know, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it like they did more. They were taught
Speaker 1: to form tackle. The reason why you have players who
Speaker 1: lead with their body is defensive bats made the highlights.
Speaker 1: I truly believe just getting into the highlights, because if
Speaker 1: you didn't, you know, come up with an interception, you
Speaker 1: probably weren't making the highlights unless you were beat for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. These defensive players realized, if I blow somebody up,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the highlights. I can make a name
Speaker 1: for myself. And I think that's where we got off
Speaker 1: the rails with the NFL. Now, I know that there's
Speaker 1: been head trauma and probably players that you don't even
Speaker 1: know existed who had head trauma, those who were still
Speaker 1: suffering from it. And even the helmet itself, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to improve a look at an old helmet, and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the ones that didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: have the face mask on it. But I'm sure Brett
Speaker 1: Farve's helmet. You know, that Riddell helmet doesn't look too
Speaker 1: impressive if you put it all you go, boy, he
Speaker 1: went into battle all of those years with that And
Speaker 1: I think that that But I don't know Paul taglia
Speaker 1: Boo's legacy or have a strong opinion one way or another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one damning quote in the book League at an
Speaker 1: Hour where taglie Booth said that this is a media
Speaker 1: creation and its pack journalism on concussions. Okay, and it
Speaker 1: got and it was a direct prover. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean that that's damning. Yeah, if if they had the
Speaker 1: research and then he said that, well, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: big as who like, what do Goodella and Taglieboo really
Speaker 1: do for the game? Are they are they? Do they
Speaker 1: get the credit for growing in the game or did
Speaker 1: the game go around them. It's hard to tell. I think, well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put in a commissioner like Paul Taglia Boo
Speaker 1: or even Roger Goodell just because you made the owner's money.
Speaker 1: Did you make the game better? I like, what what
Speaker 1: did you do? You were overseeing a league. Okay, now
Speaker 1: everybody's a billionaire. Okay, you've increased the value. Okay, But
Speaker 1: he's also had mistakes as the commissioner. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the checks and balances are with putting a
Speaker 1: commissioner in. I thought Pete Roselle was a brilliant marketing
Speaker 1: man as as the commissioner of the NFL, and I
Speaker 1: thought David Stern was a brilliant marketing man as the
Speaker 1: head of the NBA. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm taking inventory with commissioners, I'm like, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was good, Like Ford Thrick. I don't know. Larry O'Brien,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, how Bissy tune. How a commissioner
Speaker 1: Taggy Boot's responsibility to be the players? Isn't that the
Speaker 1: players union chief the health of the players and the
Speaker 1: safety in the longevity not the commision commissioner's job is
Speaker 1: the opposite. His job is to make money for the teams,
Speaker 1: make money for the networks, and grow the game for
Speaker 1: the fans. But if you have that quote, though, then
Speaker 1: that feels like you're suppressing evidence there. That would be
Speaker 1: the only thing that I would say, you're right. His
Speaker 1: job is to take care of the owners and make
Speaker 1: money and grow to grow the sport. The Players Association
Speaker 1: Gene Upshaw at the time, you know, what did he
Speaker 1: know and what could he do about it? But when
Speaker 1: you say, hey, this is a media creation, it's like steroids.
Speaker 1: And we finally found out about steroids, and then we
Speaker 1: investigated steroids and then we were told only five percent.
Speaker 1: Remember the famous Donald fear Line who headed up the
Speaker 1: Players Association five percent or dirty? And all those years
Speaker 1: we tried to get him on because I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: then why don't the ninety five percent be upset with
Speaker 1: the five percent? Because now everybody is guilty. Speaking of guilt, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's admitted guilt, but Alex Cora
Speaker 1: got fired the Red Sox manager. Now they said it
Speaker 1: was a mutual parting. Here he's not fighting it. But
Speaker 1: this is here's where I'm I don't know who else
Speaker 1: was involved in the Red Sox cheating. Who might be
Speaker 1: all still on the staff. So what if something comes
Speaker 1: out like let Baseball finish their investor t gaish. This
Speaker 1: feels like the Red Sox go, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: got to fire him. Okay, fired him, moving on public pressure.
Speaker 1: What if the hitting coach or somebody else was one
Speaker 1: of their spies or current player. I don't know, Wait
Speaker 1: till the investigation is done, and then if you want
Speaker 1: to fire Alex Cora, fire Alex core and uh, everybody's
Speaker 1: weighing in on this because now it feels like teams
Speaker 1: are entitled to a World Series in twenty seventeen, the
Speaker 1: Yankees and the Dodgers. Here's CC Tobathia on the cheating
Speaker 1: by the Astros costing his Yankees. It's getting frustrating, man
Speaker 1: to sit here and know that, you know, late in
Speaker 1: my career, I probably could have had a title, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe seventeen or maybe eighteen, but you know, we got cheated,
Speaker 1: you know, out of out of you know, a team
Speaker 1: kind of doing something that that's not within the rules
Speaker 1: of the game is okay. I think I think all
Speaker 1: of these players should shut up because if CC Sabathia
Speaker 1: was sitting here in front of me, and he said that.
Speaker 1: I would say, you played with Andy Pettit and a
Speaker 1: Rod right, are you giving back your title? Oh you're not? Okay?
Speaker 1: Then shut up you There's no guarantee you would have
Speaker 1: won the World Series. You benefited from cheating as well.
Speaker 1: I know the Dodgers and Dodger fans are upset. I
Speaker 1: get it. You want to vacate the title. They're not
Speaker 1: giving you the title? Is that? Is that enough for you?
Speaker 1: If they vacated and I go back to Reggie Bush,
Speaker 1: vacated the Heisman, had its stripped, the honor and the trophy.
Speaker 1: They didn't give it to Vince Young and he finished second.
Speaker 1: So when you had Ben Johnson test positive at the
Speaker 1: Soul Olympics three days later, they gave the gold medal
Speaker 1: to Carl Lewis, Okay, if you're gonna do that, then
Speaker 1: why don't you do that with Vince Young. It's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a race, you know. One is that you
Speaker 1: know we're actually racing against each other. This one was
Speaker 1: just a race to see who got the most votes.
Speaker 1: You want to give it to Vince Young? Give it
Speaker 1: to Vince Young, but I can't sit here and go,
Speaker 1: you know what, the Yankees would have won the World
Speaker 1: Series that year or the Dodgers good, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But for CC Sabathia to forget that he played with cheaters,
Speaker 1: it's pretty hypocritical. Yes, I mean, did the Dodgers want
Speaker 1: to vacate that title they won with Matt Oh? Sorry? Wow, wow,
Speaker 1: I just wow? Where did that come from? Nilove? That's
Speaker 1: fair thought, you agree, but I'm not hearing anybody say that.
Speaker 1: But they didn't win the difference that they couldn't. They
Speaker 1: should have won five titles over the span. That's the
Speaker 1: funny thing that they don't have to vacate anything. Yes, tough,
Speaker 1: and can CC say with certainty that they Yankees haven't
Speaker 1: done anything questionable with technology? Can any player know everyone
Speaker 1: else is doing it all time? I wouldn't say anything
Speaker 1: in a situation. I'll tell you who should be saying something.
Speaker 1: The Astros players should have a backbone and get in
Speaker 1: front of a camera because your manager just got fired
Speaker 1: because of you guys. Nobody's being punished here, but somebody
Speaker 1: should at least have a J. Hinches back for what
Speaker 1: he was able to do with that team. And for
Speaker 1: that team. He took the bullet and I haven't heard Justin.
Speaker 1: Verlander talks about everything. He rails on everything, peed you.
Speaker 1: You know, he's always got something to say. Bragman, He's
Speaker 1: always willing to talk. El touve. Your manager just got fired.
Speaker 1: You guys benefited from this? Now did he play a role,
Speaker 1: a secondary role? Yes he did, and I would have
Speaker 1: fired him. But these players are going to get off
Speaker 1: scott free. Yeah. I have a baseball question. How come
Speaker 1: katches don't do a better job at hiding their signals
Speaker 1: if it's I mean, I feel as part of them
Speaker 1: are a catcher's called ball. I know they flash like
Speaker 1: twelve signs, you see, that's the thing to e But
Speaker 1: obviously they're not doing a good enough job. They're getting
Speaker 1: picked off. All well, if you know the center field
Speaker 1: camera is the one that they could be cheating off of,
Speaker 1: then you know it's one thing to have the camera
Speaker 1: there the guy on second base. If there's a guy
Speaker 1: on second base, then you change up your signals. I
Speaker 1: mean we did that in high school where if somebody
Speaker 1: was at second base, you know, three was a fastball
Speaker 1: instead of a one is offense we had it was
Speaker 1: so rudimentary. It would be like one, two was a curve,
Speaker 1: a hook, and then three would be a change up
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know we were throwing at the time,
Speaker 1: that's all. But you didn't really because you didn't think
Speaker 1: that player was going to be able to telegraph it
Speaker 1: and you know, get the information to the hitter. And
Speaker 1: then you start to realize that you would just lead
Speaker 1: off second you put one finger down or two or three,
Speaker 1: and that told the hit or what was coming. But
Speaker 1: now I got technology where there's a camera, there's a monitor,
Speaker 1: I can go in and see it in real time.
Speaker 1: You're banging a damn drum. Yeah, Paul. If I were
Speaker 1: a catcher, I really think I would like actually announce
Speaker 1: what the pitch was to mess with the hitter. But
Speaker 1: it's something else that's being signaled to the pitcher from
Speaker 1: the dugout. But imagine if as he goes into his strategy,
Speaker 1: like here comes the fastball and it just gets in
Speaker 1: the guy's mind, but he's throwing something completely out well
Speaker 1: bull Durham, he did that to Nukeleluch setting up nuke Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get ready for the heater. Thank you can thank me? Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you think they do in football to decode audibles.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a huge science going on there. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's legal or illegal, but I've heard
Speaker 1: they're supercomputers that broke down Peyton Manning's audible count for
Speaker 1: defenses I have. But you also, in college, you'll have
Speaker 1: like four quarterbacks and they're all signaling. In Clemson was
Speaker 1: doing this. Everybody's signaling in stuff, but the audible when
Speaker 1: you change the play, if you know that yellow weasel
Speaker 1: is going to be weak side, if we know that,
Speaker 1: then defensives are going to know that. Yeah. But in college, though,
Speaker 1: they're spending more time being like, so what does the
Speaker 1: picture of Brad Pitt and George? Is that a run
Speaker 1: or that? I'm not sure. I just saw this. Aaron
Speaker 1: Judge deletes a post congratulating Jose Altuve of the MVP
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. Take that boom. Yeah now they got punished.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, the astro players get punished. Yeah. Aaron
Speaker 1: Judge deleted a tweet congratulating l Twova in twenty seventeen. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's hard time love hurt. Yeah, I'm unliking this post.
Speaker 1: Oh that hurt. That really hurt. Uh Antonio gatesil John
Speaker 1: is coming up in the final hour of the show.
Speaker 1: Dan Wetzel Yahoo Sports he was a part this documentary.
Speaker 1: It's a three part documentary. He was an executive producer
Speaker 1: of the documseeries Killer Inside the Mind of Aaron Hernandez.
Speaker 1: It's out today on Netflix. And uh, there was some
Speaker 1: pretty powerful stuff in here, pretty powerful, so we wanted
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Speaker 1: coming up. Must see TV for you out on Netflix today.
Speaker 1: It's called Killer Inside the Mind of Aaron Hernandez and
Speaker 1: Dan Wetzel was executive producer this docu series. Yahoo Sports
Speaker 1: national columnist who joins us, Now, how did you get
Speaker 1: involved in this project? Dan Well? I covered Aaron Hernandez
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, story from all the way back
Speaker 1: into Florida, went into Florida. But obviously once he was
Speaker 1: suspect of the murder of Odin Lloyd. And during the
Speaker 1: long process of you know, multiple trials and all the
Speaker 1: different things, Kevin Armstrong, a journalists of the New York
Speaker 1: Daily News at the time, and I talked about doing
Speaker 1: a book and maybe, you know, we just saw this
Speaker 1: as a massive story that went beyond the daily headlines.
Speaker 1: There were so many there was such depth to the
Speaker 1: different angles to it that you know, this could be
Speaker 1: told in a different way. And we partnered up with
Speaker 1: a company called Black fin Out in New York City
Speaker 1: and you know McDermott who handled the directing and and
Speaker 1: some of the executive producing and kind of got to
Speaker 1: work on it while in between the first and second trial.
Speaker 1: And at that point obviously we had no idea where
Speaker 1: it's headed, uh, you know, an acquittal on the second trial,
Speaker 1: suicide in the prison, all the different things. So it's
Speaker 1: been a long process to tell this story. But we
Speaker 1: were there pretty much from you know, every day, every
Speaker 1: step of the way. So I think we railed the
Speaker 1: profidle a depth of a depth to the story that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get if you're just kind of coming in
Speaker 1: after it became this big sensation. How did he hide
Speaker 1: his double life from Belichick and his teammates and Robert Kraft.
Speaker 1: You know, he had very different worlds if you if
Speaker 1: you look at it. Um, his his friends he was
Speaker 1: hanging out with at times. Uh, you know, they weren't Patriots.
Speaker 1: He didn't hang out a lot with the Patriots. That's
Speaker 1: in there. Um he wasn't connecting with the guys and
Speaker 1: the team, which was a side of concern. So he
Speaker 1: would be out and with with a friend of his mainland,
Speaker 1: this guy Alexander Bradley, who was a drug and gun
Speaker 1: deal are out of New York, out of Connecticut, and
Speaker 1: they just had different different worlds, so nobody knew what
Speaker 1: he was doing. He was, I mean he was. He
Speaker 1: had He had a million different kind of hidden lives
Speaker 1: to himself. He wrestled with his sexuality and trying to
Speaker 1: hide that throughout high school and college. He could If
Speaker 1: you listen to the we have a lot of the
Speaker 1: Jailhouse Bone calls in it, and if you listen throughout
Speaker 1: the three parts of the series, you'll hear him talking
Speaker 1: incredibly different ways to all different types of people. He
Speaker 1: can be as kind and as sweet to his to
Speaker 1: his daughter or his cousin or something like that. He
Speaker 1: can be totally different with somebody else, And so you
Speaker 1: just see how this guy was really a chameleon. But
Speaker 1: what he was doing at night people didn't know. So
Speaker 1: you literally had in two thousand twelve, you had him
Speaker 1: at the very least involved and in a double homicide
Speaker 1: in Boston, a shooting where they drive by shooting and
Speaker 1: then he ends up stashing the car and his cousin's garage.
Speaker 1: Either he's a the trigger man or he's in the
Speaker 1: car with Alexander Bradley. About a few weeks later, he
Speaker 1: signs a forty million dollars extension with the Patriots and
Speaker 1: plays an entire season in the NFL as as essentially
Speaker 1: an accused double murderer. So you just have never seen
Speaker 1: anything like this in the in football where a guy's
Speaker 1: got that kind of a secret life going on. It's
Speaker 1: truly football player by day at times and gangster at night.
Speaker 1: But there were so many elements to his story that
Speaker 1: were hidden from the people he who knew him the best,
Speaker 1: whether it's his wife or his attorney, or the way
Speaker 1: everyone who knew him best was shocked when he committed suicide.
Speaker 1: He just he had a way of compartmentalizing and hiding
Speaker 1: things from people. How much cooperation did you get from
Speaker 1: the Patriots? It's not much, you know. There we have
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL footage in there, we have some
Speaker 1: former Patriots and things like that. But you know, you
Speaker 1: weren't going to have Bill Belichick sit down for an
Speaker 1: extensive interview on this, which is understandable. Did Aaron Hernandez
Speaker 1: almost get away with this? Now? He well, he probably
Speaker 1: could have gotten away with the first one. His real
Speaker 1: problem was he got into a rivalry with with his
Speaker 1: friend Alexander Bradley, who blamed him or testified at one point,
Speaker 1: but had very least blamed him for shooting him in
Speaker 1: the face in a separate incident down in Florida. There's
Speaker 1: a lot to this thing. It's hard to put it in,
Speaker 1: but but he was in college at that time, wasn't
Speaker 1: he Dan he was at This was after college. N
Speaker 1: Bradley Bradley became friends after college. Um. But Bradley says,
Speaker 1: Hernandez shot him in the shot him in the eye,
Speaker 1: thought he was thought Bradley was dead. Bradley survived. Bradley
Speaker 1: basically says, I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you with revenge.
Speaker 1: He refuses to cooperate with the police. Aaron loads up,
Speaker 1: buys an armored car. He starts hanging out with a
Speaker 1: couple of guys as kind of bodyguards. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons at that point. It was a matter
Speaker 1: of time what was going to happen. He ended up
Speaker 1: killing Lloyd and getting caught for that. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: could he have gotten away extensively for the for the
Speaker 1: double homicide being involved in that. It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: He still had the car kind of sitting in a
Speaker 1: garage hidden in Connecticut, so maybe. But I think Aaron
Speaker 1: was you know, he only played three years in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty three when he's arrested. To think he
Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it for much longer. He
Speaker 1: lived a life that was doomed to to pretty much
Speaker 1: end up in some some failure at some point or
Speaker 1: some kind of arrest or the murder of himself. He
Speaker 1: was completely on the edge. He lived a completely outside
Speaker 1: the bounds of normal society life while he was playing
Speaker 1: professional football. We're talking to Dan West, So, yeah, who's
Speaker 1: Sports Nation on columnist and executive producer The Docusearies Killer
Speaker 1: inside the mind of Aaron Hernandez out today on Netflix.
Speaker 1: What did you learn about his time in prison? Well,
Speaker 1: again that that too is complicated. I mean when he
Speaker 1: first in people, you know, he gets put on suicide
Speaker 1: watch right away when he goes into the to the jail,
Speaker 1: and they usually do that with anybody's facing that kind
Speaker 1: of charges the pressure of a life sentence. The jail
Speaker 1: officials before he's convicted say, he literally moves in and
Speaker 1: it's almost a relief and he just there's no crying,
Speaker 1: there's no banging on the on the door saying I
Speaker 1: don't belong here, I need this. Nothing. All he ever did.
Speaker 1: His only request was more protein in his in his
Speaker 1: lunch and stuff like that. He just basically was fine
Speaker 1: with it. There's a jailhouse cause where he's talking to
Speaker 1: his mom, but a much he likes to sell how
Speaker 1: cozy it is and things. But later on through through it,
Speaker 1: I think the pressure of of being so young and
Speaker 1: facing life without parole got to him and I think
Speaker 1: it was the key reason why I ended up committing suicide.
Speaker 1: Although we'll never really know. Um so after four years
Speaker 1: in he ends up committing suicide and in the state
Speaker 1: in the maximum security at that point he'd been convicted
Speaker 1: and was in a much rougher prison, and I think
Speaker 1: that just kind of wore him down and got it
Speaker 1: so he ends up killing himself the twenty seven but
Speaker 1: very interesting dynamics there on both an ability to adapt immediately,
Speaker 1: but also struggle with the fights and the discipline and
Speaker 1: just the sheer difficulty of facing where would have been,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixty more years. Yeah, he was a
Speaker 1: want to be gangster. Felt like he's hiding his u sexuality.
Speaker 1: I don't know if CTE plays a role in this.
Speaker 1: Is there a part of this documenteries where the audience
Speaker 1: is going to come away with, you know, a theme
Speaker 1: that sort of surprises you or blows you away. I
Speaker 1: think there's a number of them, um, particularly the phone
Speaker 1: calls that really show him in an unguarded moments. There's
Speaker 1: you know, we took a very journalistically sound approach to this.
Speaker 1: We're not chasing the craziest rumor we can throw up
Speaker 1: there to try to shock people like this is as
Speaker 1: you know, we've reached out to hundreds of people and
Speaker 1: worked this story for years, so it's it's not going
Speaker 1: to be something where we're just throwing anything in there
Speaker 1: and shock people. But um, I think there's a number
Speaker 1: of them. I think you see the depth that nobody
Speaker 1: in this in this stocky series fits into a box
Speaker 1: very while, including Aaron hernandez h. It's it's it's real life,
Speaker 1: it's there's there's, there's good parts and bad parts to
Speaker 1: almost everyone involved. So he just, uh, you know, why
Speaker 1: has always been the story. I think it would be
Speaker 1: unfair to just make a determination on that. I think
Speaker 1: it was a perfect cocktail of different things. Abuse as
Speaker 1: a child, is dad passing away. I think the decision
Speaker 1: to go to Florida wasn't great for him. I think
Speaker 1: CTE playing a role probably or could have, um, you know,
Speaker 1: an interest in being a gangster, all the different things.
Speaker 1: And we're not trying to excuse Aaron's behavior because he
Speaker 1: made these decisions and these decisions, as we point out,
Speaker 1: and spent a lot of time with the victims, you know,
Speaker 1: ruined lives, ended lives adversely affected a lot of lives
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with him, people he didn't know.
Speaker 1: But we do try to explain just the myriad circumstances
Speaker 1: around this to try to figure out why we've had
Speaker 1: this because this is just a story we've never seen.
Speaker 1: You talk about NFL murders, you know, OJ Simpson and
Speaker 1: things like that, and obviously just you know, an incredible
Speaker 1: story in its own right, obviously, but OJ was retired.
Speaker 1: OJ was caught up in domestic violence. Like these are
Speaker 1: things we've seen before. They aren't that uncommon in the world. Sadly,
Speaker 1: we've never seen this. You just don't see a guy
Speaker 1: driving around shooting people, being involved in you know, as
Speaker 1: many as seven shootings and three three homicides all by
Speaker 1: twenty three while being a professional athlete, highly functioning. I
Speaker 1: mean that caught a touchdown pass on the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's able to you know, he's able to conform with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. He has this beautiful mansion of loving fiance,
Speaker 1: the baby. He does everything at times to show how
Speaker 1: I'm making it, and then on the other side he's
Speaker 1: doing something completely opposite. And that's just sort of the
Speaker 1: way he lived his life. Dan, Thank you, good stuff.
Speaker 1: It's out today on Netflix. It's called Killer Inside the
Speaker 1: Mind of Aaron Hernandez. Great to catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan. That's good Dan. Take care you could
Speaker 1: hear that left an impact on Dan weinstell when you
Speaker 1: start to be around this, and you know, for us,
Speaker 1: when you read something or watch something, we're still removed
Speaker 1: from it. It can still have an impact on you.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking to these people, when you're researching,
Speaker 1: when you're listening to those phone conversations in prison, that
Speaker 1: stays with you. It's like when you have writers who
Speaker 1: will investigate a murder, they're going to write a book,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you get caught up
Speaker 1: in that and what that feels like and stays with you.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the It was an officer in the
Speaker 1: military and he ended up killing his family and then
Speaker 1: wrote Pigs on the Wall and there he was. He's
Speaker 1: still in prison, Jeffrey McDonald. Do you remember that name?
Speaker 1: What was the name of that book, mclovin. I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. It's a big book. I'll
Speaker 1: look it up. But that was a huge deal. But
Speaker 1: but didn't the writer all of a sudden realize that
Speaker 1: Jeffrey McDonald was the murderer and then he wrote a book.
Speaker 1: It's not Ken Follett, it's um. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: who that author is, but he was. He was working
Speaker 1: with the military man Jeffrey McDonald, and then he started
Speaker 1: realizing this is the murderer, this is who did it.
Speaker 1: And then he wrote the book Vision Fatal Vision, and
Speaker 1: Joe okay, Joe McKennis, Yeah, yeah, exactly it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had exactly right. The author didn't know exactly what
Speaker 1: had happened and then came to realize that. But the
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Wetzel and you know this group that
Speaker 1: was putting on the documentaries, they didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to really be able to interview Aaron Hernandez, Like this
Speaker 1: is after the fact where you now you go in
Speaker 1: and you start to explore just who was this? How
Speaker 1: did you hide this? You're with the Patriots, You're there
Speaker 1: for three years, Robert Kraft is giving you a contract extension.
Speaker 1: You're with Florida. I mean, I mean, I understand how
Speaker 1: you could have gotten away with stuff in college, but
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, it just feels like in that community,
Speaker 1: somebody sees something or hears something. And there's one player
Speaker 1: who said that he was alone with Aaron Hernandez one time,
Speaker 1: I believe, in the hallway or working out and was afraid,
Speaker 1: like he just had killer oz, Like he looked at
Speaker 1: you and I think this had to do with hazing,
Speaker 1: that a veteran wanted to haze Aaron Hernandez and then
Speaker 1: realize that ain't happening. Yeah, Paul, And if you look
Speaker 1: back at it two eleven, twenty twelve, when Aaron Hernandez
Speaker 1: got his new contract, Gronk was the wild one. Gronk
Speaker 1: was the guy getting in trouble and being in Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were worried about Gronk social media and things he
Speaker 1: was doing, and Aaron Hernandez was the quiet one, the
Speaker 1: better receiver. Gronk was the tough guy, blocker with great hands.
Speaker 1: But there's there's nothing about this. You can't find stories
Speaker 1: about Aaron Hernandez before it went berserk. Yes, and some
Speaker 1: of those prison calls, he's talking to family members and
Speaker 1: he seemed so calm and just okay with the fact
Speaker 1: like this he realized he could be spending like the
Speaker 1: rest of his life in a little fellow went when
Speaker 1: he was on a mansion with a fiancegan the daughter.
Speaker 1: And on the other hand, he snaps at the club,
Speaker 1: supposedly because someone spilled a drink on him, so he
Speaker 1: wants to run out and kill a couple of people.
Speaker 1: The same prison. That's totally calm about being locked away
Speaker 1: in prison. And I know that they talk about CTE
Speaker 1: and did that play a role, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think they studied his brain. I think yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they did it and they found tell tale side of CD.
Speaker 1: But you'll you'll find that with football players. I've been
Speaker 1: around a notable football player, former football player, and he
Speaker 1: could be all the way over here sincere genuine nice
Speaker 1: warm and then he could be over here and you're going,
Speaker 1: who is this? And it could be in the same day.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break here. We'll get phone
Speaker 1: calls coming up. Also, Antonio Gates, the former Chargers All Pro,
Speaker 1: will join us and the Jeopardy goat Ken Jennings. That
Speaker 1: was entertaining. I really enjoyed that, Mken Jennings. He put
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Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking about Luke Keithley.
Speaker 1: We he talks about the Astros. CC Sabathia, the former Yankee,
Speaker 1: now says he feels like he was cheated a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some teams that feel like they
Speaker 1: were cheated by the Yankees who were cheating with the
Speaker 1: steroid users when they won a World seers. If I'm
Speaker 1: a player, I don't say anything right now because you
Speaker 1: don't even know if somehow your team may have been
Speaker 1: doing something is doing something right now. And CC Sabathia
Speaker 1: probably best to just not say anything. Let let the
Speaker 1: media or let the fans give you a title. You
Speaker 1: don't ask for the title. You want to vacate it great, vacated.
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less. But was this a bad day?
Speaker 1: Like these are two tough days for baseball or for
Speaker 1: the Astros? Was this were these bad days for baseball?
Speaker 1: Now the Red Sox you got your World Series and okay,
Speaker 1: you lost your manager. Okay, you know the Astros. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have an asterisk by your name at twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: You lost your manager, your GM. Okay, did baseball have
Speaker 1: a is this good for baseball? And it feels like
Speaker 1: they went at it pretty hard. I thought they could
Speaker 1: have been tougher. I think, if you want to put
Speaker 1: it out there that, hey, if you get caught doing this,
Speaker 1: you get a lifetime ban. Do you remember what the
Speaker 1: penalties were for steroids when we first started out, mcklevin.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was like a couple of
Speaker 1: games when you first got busted. And I remember talking
Speaker 1: to Commissioner Selick, and you know, he kind of came
Speaker 1: to me. I'm sure he came to other people, but
Speaker 1: we had a conversation where he said, I just I
Speaker 1: can't get cooperation here. I can't I can't bring all
Speaker 1: of this together. And that's when I said, go to
Speaker 1: the clubbies, the clubhouse guys. They know everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: And ye. And then he said, I said, you don't
Speaker 1: want you can really send a message by suspending somebody
Speaker 1: an entire year. He goes, well, they'd never let me
Speaker 1: do that. And I said, until you do that, I
Speaker 1: would keep doing steroids, Like what's my penalty? Yes, mcclub.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, they toughened the laws to
Speaker 1: fifty games for first offense, one hundred for a second,
Speaker 1: lifetime for third. Before that, it was ten days suspension
Speaker 1: for first and that amazing thirty per second sixty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that amazing? Like if you get caught once, you
Speaker 1: don't get another chance. Whatever you put in your body,
Speaker 1: you're putting it in your body. Know what you're putting
Speaker 1: in your body. We have a hotline. We'll tell you
Speaker 1: everything that you can and cannot put in your body.
Speaker 1: It's up to you. You get popped, I'll set you
Speaker 1: down for a season. Now they're doing what sixty or
Speaker 1: they're doing eighty games, now sixty games something like that.
Speaker 1: Half a season, no pay, okay, but until you really
Speaker 1: if you want a curb cheating, you know where you're
Speaker 1: using technology, it'll be a lifetime bat What happens when
Speaker 1: you know betting is going to be running rampant, everybody's
Speaker 1: going to be able to bet, and then you have
Speaker 1: the one thing we want to know is is something fixed?
Speaker 1: Like we can't leave that topic with the NBA because
Speaker 1: in our minds, Tim donaghee at least put it there
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know what that Lakers Sacramento King
Speaker 1: series was fixed, whether it was or not. Now you
Speaker 1: think when there's an outcome, a questionable outcome, or when
Speaker 1: an official season play doesn't see a play the ruling
Speaker 1: on the field, you know, now you have something like this.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much money changed hands with the
Speaker 1: outcome of the twenty seventeen World Series. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But once you get people who are losing money here,
Speaker 1: that's when things get really serious and could get ugly
Speaker 1: for some of these people involved. All right, Jeopardy ended
Speaker 1: last night and you have the greatest of all time,
Speaker 1: Ken Jennings. I thought it was really funny that they
Speaker 1: you know, him and James holds Up Holdsower. They went
Speaker 1: back and forth and it was entertaining different personalities there,
Speaker 1: but Ken Jennings got the last last Yeah po and
Speaker 1: Jennings did an interview afterwards, and he said he had
Speaker 1: to adjust his entire strategy based off Holtower, who was
Speaker 1: more of a better He's a gambler at Jeopardy here,
Speaker 1: he's more like odds of you when you bet and
Speaker 1: when you max out your bankroll, and so he said,
Speaker 1: he bet deffinitely, but his brain was the same as
Speaker 1: far as guessing and the great smack talk there because
Speaker 1: Ken Jennings said, Hey, I'm going to start following James
Speaker 1: Holdshower on Twitter because well he's been following me all
Speaker 1: week on Jeopardy. It was good. It was that that's
Speaker 1: a that's a nerd takedown. That's as good as it gets,
Speaker 1: right McLellan. He had another one h where I think
Speaker 1: James holdshowers where it's all about the timing are on
Speaker 1: your button. Ken Jennings says something like it was like
Speaker 1: that's what your wife said to me or something say
Speaker 1: that there was great. Yeah, this a week they'd been
Speaker 1: going wait, wait, wait, wait, I can't Ken Jennings went there,
Speaker 1: I believe so, yes, how many codes have you broke?
Speaker 1: Jennings boom, that's a nerd smackdog Yeah, um yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's still fun to see. Now, if you're Ken Jennings,
Speaker 1: do you do you retire now? Yeah? I don't want
Speaker 1: to be morbid about this, but down the road when
Speaker 1: Alex trebec is no longer the host of Jeopardy, Ken
Speaker 1: Jennings makes a lot of sense for the host because
Speaker 1: he can get he's very recognigeable to the players. I
Speaker 1: think he's probably well liked by the fans, and it's
Speaker 1: a probably kind of person that would slide in without
Speaker 1: a negative fan reaction. Who do you want to see again?
Speaker 1: Ken Jennings or James Holshowner because Holdtower was really entertaining.
Speaker 1: Jennings was entertaining because he's so impressive. I think you're
Speaker 1: just you're watching and you're going he's not going to
Speaker 1: miss any But Holdtower is a character there, and I
Speaker 1: do agree that he played as a gambler. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you watch Jeopardy, sometimes somebody will go into a
Speaker 1: category because they know the category. They'll just go right
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. And I remember where you. We
Speaker 1: actually had a category for Todd when we did the
Speaker 1: Sports Jeopardy and I didn't time it right and I
Speaker 1: could have rattled off astro and bronco questions, and guys
Speaker 1: beat me to it because we're trying to figure out okay,
Speaker 1: because it was Pauli and Nick Lovin and they were
Speaker 1: pretty evenly matched. And then we're trying to help you,
Speaker 1: and then you got angry on Sports Jeopardy. It's very frustrating.
Speaker 1: During the break, I had like engineers come over to
Speaker 1: make sure my thing was plugged in right now. Every
Speaker 1: time I'm pressing, it's not working for me. Ah that
Speaker 1: that that is looking back. That was a very tense
Speaker 1: couple hours because it moves very fast Jeopardy. You don't
Speaker 1: when you're hosting Dan, you don't take a pause, You
Speaker 1: don't get a break. You those questions are flying. There's
Speaker 1: no time out. McLevin. This is kind of saucy here.
Speaker 1: What's the back and forth with Ken Jennings and James Holshower. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I Ken Jennings has a very black sense of humor.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Okay, Well, who says my wife is
Speaker 1: going to make that that's Hols hour. So Holshower says,
Speaker 1: my wife's gonna make me role play as Ken Jennings tonight.
Speaker 1: So why would he would say, uh, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1: Remember wholes Hower was a guest on this show. He
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. Yeah, awkward, odd, but really entertaining.
Speaker 1: Take a break, got one more hour to go On
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