1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily Where the Giants landed. There, Man, 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in stage five with my friend 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: We are fresh off a taping of game debut. You 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: can check us. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: Out on NFL Network Friday night, Sunday morning, whenever. But 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: we're going to go through our picks against the spread 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: as always. Cynthia, you're coming off a winning week, and 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: we're also going to talk a little bit about John Harbaugh, 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the new head coach of the New York Giants. At 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: the back end, get you an analyst like Cynthia who 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: can do everything, not just pick the games. 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: We're going to talk some ball. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: We're going to talk some coaches, a lot of people 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: I heard from last week, like the coaching kind of 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: dot connecting we did, and some of it's some of 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: it's born fruit. 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I can't wait to see where everyone 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: ends up, especially now that the Steelers have the opening 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: as well. Like lots of turnover, lots of turnover. 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: I know, any want to pat ourselves on the back 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: too hard, but everyone going like this shocking coaching. 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: Cycle, all these shocks here and there. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: I was like, if you were listening to the NFL 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Daily Last month, we were saying, like we thought Tomlin 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: and Harbaugh that there was a real chance that both 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: of them would be gone. That's what happened. But let's 28 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: get into the games. Only eight teams left, and so 29 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: this makes it tougher to make our picks. You went 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: too and one last week. I went one and two. 31 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: I am blaming the Packers for everything wrong that happened 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: to me last weekend. And in my life, I'm still 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: at thirty six and twenty one on the season. 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: I'm feeling great. 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: But you're eight and one over the last three weeks 36 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: on this show, so that means you get to go first. 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your most confident pick in because I 38 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: gotta admit, if this was a normal Sunday, I think 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: there's only at most one of these four games that 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: would have made my best picks of the week where 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: I just like knew right away what I wanted to do. 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm curious where you go first. 43 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to go with a team that burnt 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: me last week, but I think this week, in freezing 45 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: cold conditions, they pull through and they win by more 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: than four points, and that's the rams I understand it's 47 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: going to be two degrees and we're gonna hear a lot. 48 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: There's gonna be those you know, I'm calling it now. 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: You know the temperature thing where they stick Stacy Dale's 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: out there and they put a little temperature thing next 51 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: to her. She's freezing and they're like, look, it's zero degrees, 52 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: and You're like, poors, why are they doing this to her? 53 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: She could easily go inside a concourse. But you know, 54 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: Stacy's a real one. She'll be great at But I 55 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: do think that the Rams, they do have a big 56 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: advantage in my opinion, in this matchup because they're not 57 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: relying on kind of miraculous things at the end. 58 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: Remember the Packers, they are without Micah Parsons. 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: They did have to reconfigure their defense and it still 60 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: took a miracle as well. I mean, relying on a 61 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: guy to perform who didn't even complete half of his 62 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: passes in that game and on fourth down you just 63 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: nailed that fourth Absolutely, no shade to Caleb Williams, he 64 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: had a little gat game. 65 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: Well, it's just it's hard to win that way to. 66 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: Live, and they have been and they've been defying kind 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: of my math and the odds all season long. But 68 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford also has a whole bunch of fourth quarter wins. 69 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: And it's only four points this time, not ten that 70 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: I need him to win by. And you know, as 71 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: much as we talk about the cold weather, you know 72 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: who played in cold weather for a really long time, 73 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: DeVante Adams. I think pretty sure he remembers his days 74 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: at Green Bay. So I'm looking at this one and 75 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: I think this is where we see Matthew Stafford, the 76 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer really be Matthew Stafford, the 77 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer. 78 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Then, and none other than Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's going 79 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: to be back for this game for the Bears, said 80 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: on Thursday. 81 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: About the weather, whooped dee. 82 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Doo, citing the Rams and what they did last year 83 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: to his Eagles. He was still on the Eagles right 84 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: at that point, going up and down the field and 85 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: really testing them in a way that no one else did. 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: During that Super Bowl run for Philadelphia in the snow, 87 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: Stafford was so close. 88 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: This was my pick that I said I would have taken. 89 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: In and oh is it okay? 90 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 91 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: So I'm going Rams minus three and a half. We 92 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: both were off on them last week. Look, I just 93 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: think a team that doesn't have a pass rush, and 94 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: the Bears have one of the worst pass rushes in 95 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's kind of drying dead against the Rams. Like, 96 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: of course, there's a route to them winning this game. 97 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: It's a magical team. They can run the ball like 98 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: they're a good team, but that is such a disadvantage 99 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: to start from a team that can't really stop the 100 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: run going up against one of the highest success rate 101 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: run teams in the league. I think the Rams finished 102 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: either first or second. Bears are up there too, but 103 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: I think the Rams are a little more equipped to 104 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: stop the run. It's only three and a half or 105 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: four depending on where you look. And so this is 106 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: the one game this week where I don't think the 107 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: line was as high as I actually expected. 108 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: I also, I think their coaches also embody where these 109 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: teams are at in terms of their life cycle. Remember 110 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: there was a couple of years ago when the Rams 111 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: were playing Chicago, Sean McVay just simply named all of 112 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: the people on the defense for the Bears, and that 113 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: everyone's like he's a genius, and it was actually the 114 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: thing that was genius about it was that he wasted 115 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 3: our time. You know, he didn't have to say anything, 116 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: whereas like now Ben Johnson's out here like being sneaky 117 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: with handshakes and like you needed to take his shirt off, 118 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: and and I like. 119 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: The passion in it, but it just that feels. 120 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: Like you are a hater, You're a lot. 121 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: It just feels like it just feels like someone who 122 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: hasn't been there before, right, We're like, I just feel 123 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: like you have the the you know, the poise and 124 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: the prestige of a Sean McVay sitting there being like 125 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 3: just wasting the media's timing like Montees what Kyler Gordon 126 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: like genius. That's it was hilarious, but not for the 127 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: reason that people thought. 128 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: Sean McVay also alluded to the fact, you know, he's 129 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: friends with Matt Lafleir, and someone asked if he gave 130 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: his friend a call this week to get any you know, 131 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: scouting and. 132 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: They all do always yes, and they always. 133 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: He basically said, what do you think so Matt Laflair 134 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: giving them extra INFI to be his arch rival, but ultimately, yeah, 135 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: I do think they're better. 136 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: And I've been wrong a lot about the Bears this year. 137 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: My record would be better if if it wasn't for 138 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: the Bears, partly because of these low probabilities, hype of 139 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: wins that they've had, and maybe they are that sort 140 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: of magical team that can get it done, because I 141 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: do think Caleb Williams is playing his best ball right now, 142 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: even though it's inconsistent. He had five or six throws. 143 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: It wasn't just that one in that game that was 144 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: really awesome. Also, Yeah, Kyler Gordon back last week and 145 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: I noticed just not really. 146 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: Like they targeted him between times. 147 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Not really the guy that you want. And they've given 148 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: up just a lot of yards in terms of big 149 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: plays throughout the course of the season. 150 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: All Right, we both have the Rams. What is your 151 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: second pick pick? 152 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 4: In Denver? 153 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: Okay? 154 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: Picking Denver in the home upset against the Bills. I 155 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: think it's weird that they're not favored. 156 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: Wait, I think it's flipped around. It kind of depends 157 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: on like when you even listen to this. 158 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: Show that it's flipped around. 159 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: At first it was the Bills were favored, yes, and 160 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: then I think the public or who knows who it is, 161 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: I guess Whale could be the sharps move the line, 162 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: and now it's like it's more or less a pick them. 163 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: I think it's now one as of this taping for 164 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: the Broncos. But either way, you're right started as underdocks. 165 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: They did start as underdocks. 166 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I just feel like that's crazy, disrespectful 167 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: considering this defense is very, very good. So I think 168 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: that the Broncos in this one, I think that they win, 169 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 3: and I think they win by more than one point. 170 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: So I'm looking at that. 171 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the opportunity here for the short pass 172 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: in the run, so a run and a short pass. 173 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: A short pass can be a proxy for a run 174 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: screen passes. I know it's not like a sexy thing 175 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: to talk about, but Sean Payton said in August, and 176 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: I was there, I did preseason with them, Sean Payton said, 177 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: and everyone thought. 178 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: He was nuts. This defense is strong enough. 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: As long as Bonicks does not take unnecessary sacks, and 180 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: as long as this offensive line can keep Bonis from 181 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: being sacked when it really penalizes us, then we're going 182 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: to go to the super Bowl, and we could even 183 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl with this particular team. He said 184 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: that in August and it's kind of played out like that. 185 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: For a long time, this offense did not have the 186 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: deep pass. 187 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: They didn't have. 188 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the season last year, 189 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: Bonis was completing like crazy deep pets, like it looked great. 190 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: We were like, oh, against the angles, this is the 191 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: stuff bo Nicks is made out. And then it kind 192 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: of regressed in the beginning of the season, and now 193 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: we're just in a situation where all he has to 194 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: do is play to the weaknesses of the Bills defense. 195 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: And what is the weakness of the Bills defense the 196 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: run game or short passes that approximate to run. 197 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: That's fair, and you can imagine Sean Payton having a 198 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: really good game plan for that, because no one is 199 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: better at. 200 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: Do you know who's really petty? 201 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: Sean? 202 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: I love how petty he is, right and you know 203 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: he does not like that he got spanked at Orchard 204 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: Park last. 205 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: Thirty one to seven in that game. Are you kidding me? 206 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: Sean Payton probably has like specific plays and cut ups 207 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: being like, if this happens again, I will kill you. 208 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: I that in a good way, not really killing. 209 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I thought about that this was my stay away game 210 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: all week long, that this was the game of just 211 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: like I'm taking the bills because we have to take 212 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: a team. 213 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to, and I. 214 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Took the bills, but for this exercise, I was thinking 215 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: it was going to be my stay away. I'm doing 216 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: some emotional gymnastics when it comes to the Texans, and 217 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: so I'll just be real with the listing the game 218 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: of all the games, and the numbers that stuck stuck 219 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: out to me the most initially is the one that 220 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: goes against my rule, which is I don't like going 221 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: against my own team because then you have conflicting feelings, 222 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: like if the Patriots win but they don't cover, I 223 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: don't want to feel like annoyed that they didn't cover. 224 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: So in my heart of hearts, this is just being real. 225 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: Like my head too, I think the Texans are better team. 226 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: I think the fact that they're getting three and a 227 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: half points, like in a normal circumstance, I would be 228 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: taking that because I think, like coin flip game either 229 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: way could happen. But when I look at this season, 230 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: to me, their defense is so special, like it's maybe 231 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: the most special unit on either side of the ball 232 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: for any team in this entire season. It's a flawed AFC, 233 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: and that would be enough for me to just be 234 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: like three and a half points. 235 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: I'll just take the points. I'm not gonna overthink it. 236 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: Now it's to three, I'd still take the three because 237 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: you get a push even if they lose by a 238 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: field goal. But because it's the Patriots, I don't want 239 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,239 Speaker 1: to deal with that. I don't want that that conflict. 240 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: So because of that, I'm gonna I will go against 241 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: you and we'll just take the Bills as one of 242 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: my picks. 243 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: Here. 244 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: Can that make sense everything I just said? 245 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, comply. 246 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: I don't want it to be my official pick. 247 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: I will make the reasons for why I took the 248 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Bills in the end, like I do think that there 249 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: is a route to them. 250 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a matchup thing. 251 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I know the teams are very different than they were 252 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: a year ago, but like defensive line, offensive line, they're 253 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: really not different at all. And the fact that the 254 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Bills had such great success running the ball last year 255 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: against Denver means a little something to me, because it's 256 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: not like the teams are that much different that the Broncos. 257 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: I went and checked this. 258 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: They were first in success rate allowed as a defense 259 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: this year they're an underrated run defense, and you know what, 260 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: last year they were first in success rate allowed on 261 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: defense and it was very similar the Bills this year. 262 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: One of the very best running teams in the league 263 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: all season in any metric that you look at, same 264 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: this year, and for whatever reason, that matchup last year 265 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: really heavily favored the Bills. And that's enough, plus the 266 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen factor not to just boil it down to 267 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and the way that Sean McDermott came up 268 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: with like a very specific game plan last week to 269 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: take down an even better offense in Jacksonville, that maybe 270 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: he can do it again, and that was enough for 271 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: me to just go with the Bills. 272 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: But I have to admit. 273 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm putting myself in pretzels here because I'm a Patriots 274 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: fan and I don't quite really have the belief, but 275 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to pick against my team in a 276 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: playoff game. 277 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so my counterpoint, my only counterpoints. 278 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: To that would be I would feel a lot different 279 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: about the dimensions of this offense would be if Tyrell 280 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: Shavers and Gabe Davis, just for the additional numbers I 281 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: know Curtis Samuel might be back, but this is it's 282 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: like Khalil Shakir and Brandon Cooks. 283 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: How about a little Keon Coleman. 284 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: But you're right, Gabe, Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer and Tyrol 285 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: Shavers gone. 286 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: They all gone, right. 287 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 3: Keon Coleman has been healthy scratches, so something's weird with that. 288 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: Even though he's on the field, is he really like 289 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: and yeah, he's made a couple of catches here and 290 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: there that are it's really Josh Allen, James Cook and 291 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 3: the tight Ends. I'm Khalisha here, but like, does that 292 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: does that feel like enough? 293 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: How about the Galaxy Brain? 294 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: Oh, you guys are so good with your outside cornerbacks. 295 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: You're so good stopping wide receivers. We don't have any 296 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: wide receivers for you to stop. 297 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: We're gonna be. 298 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: All tight Ends. Dalton Kincaid, Jackson Hawes. Okay, the double DK. 299 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 4: I do think the DK? 300 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: Can I think someone with an initials DK will score 301 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: a touchdown? 302 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: I love that. 303 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't feel that strong about that. You know what, 304 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: Ed Oliver, we didn't mention this on our previews show, 305 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: but he is practicing this week. 306 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: There is a chance that. 307 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: Ed Oliver's really good against the run too. 308 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I say their rookie defensive tackle doesn't 309 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 3: get enough love. He's had a lot of run stuff 310 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: like that guy's played really well. 311 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if this again. It's good to have 312 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 4: them both, But like, and. 313 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you're taking your Texans at the Texans 314 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: as the last picker, are you their pick? 315 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 4: I don't. Here's here's my problem with that Texans pick. 316 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: I have the Texans by two, so technically I have 317 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: the Patriot Sorry, the Patriots by two, so the Texans 318 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: technically on the right side of that. I just feel 319 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: that in this matchup between even though there is no 320 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: George Kittle and Sam Donald has no bleak injury, I 321 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: just think the Niners keep it. 322 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: I just think seven and a half or whatever, that's. 323 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: What you're going for. Yeah, I'm with you, We're going 324 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: to go together. 325 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: Okay, because I just think that's too big of a number. 326 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: I don't. 327 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: I just don't like three three. 328 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: If it was four and a half, then one hundred 329 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: percent I would be I would take the Texans with 330 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: the Texans, but I don't like the three. Like then 331 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: you get some weird, some weird someone misses a field 332 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: goal and then there's a three point like what I 333 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: just don't. 334 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: So we're taving this Thursday evening. Nico Collins is almost 335 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: certainly missing the game. He's not a practice that looked 336 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: like a bad concussion. 337 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: It was Monday night. 338 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 4: He literally was a horrible confession. 339 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: There hasn't been a player all season that's missed Wednesday 340 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: Thursday practices completely in the concussion protocol return, so you 341 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: can basically cross them off. Christian Abdalas, on the other hand, 342 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: is at practice. There's not a guarantee that he gets 343 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,599 Speaker 1: through protocol, but he's not wearing the red contact jerseys. 344 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: It sounds like he is progressing in ways that usually 345 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: he would be available. 346 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: There at such a. 347 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: St We're both staying away, ultimately from the Texans, and 348 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: we're both going for the forty nine ers. Now, I 349 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: gotta be real, I can't remember a divisional round like this, 350 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: where like I just I don't have really strong feelings 351 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: on almost any of these games. I kind of like 352 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: the Texans, and I do like the Rams like a 353 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: medium pick. But after going back and forth all morning, 354 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: I just thought, even though it feels like that seven 355 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: points is like they're most daring you to take the 356 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: forty eight. Definitely, they want forty nine Ers to take 357 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers every time. Brock Perti's face this 358 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald defense. For the most part, it has not 359 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: gone well, and I get that, But I just think. 360 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey was one tipped pass away from scoring a 361 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: touchdown though, which could have changed some of the shooter 362 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: two jectory of that game. 363 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: So I mean, I just feel like. 364 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: I just think these two teams have played each other 365 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: twice this year, yep. And in the first game the 366 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers win, the score only gets the thirty. 367 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: The second time the Seahawks win, the total scoreling gets 368 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: the sixteen. I like the number being low in this game, 369 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: and I just think, having seen each other just now, 370 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's the forty nine Ers are a 371 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: really specially coached team. I think they'll find a way 372 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: to keep it close. It will know Fred Warner, by 373 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: the way, it has been good. Fred Kyleshalman, who I 374 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: know you call the lion liar who lies. He doesn't 375 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: lie this bad, he said. Fred Werner will not be 376 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: activated even though. 377 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: The Ricky Piersall. 378 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: One could be a lie because it kind of feels 379 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: like Ricky Pearsall's coming back or supposed to be, and 380 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: that does inform a little bit of my six points there. 381 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: So but because remember in that first matchup, Ricky Piersoll 382 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: had three twenty plus yard receptions and that was a 383 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: big deals is like he had one hundred yards and 384 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 3: over one hundred yards in the game, so it. 385 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: Was a big But point B. 386 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: That's where that is where the Kyle Shanahan fibbing fibber 387 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: who fibbs could come in again. 388 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: I'm still picking them either way. 389 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: I think they find a way to get it done 390 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 3: because even though they're not telling us, they don't actually 391 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: owe us. He's not breaking any rules. They know what 392 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: they're doing internally, they just don't tell us. 393 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: And Trent Williams is back. Obviously he played last week. 394 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: He wasn't there for the week eighteen game. D Winters 395 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: could be back. Who's a starting linebacker for them? The 396 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: big story last week? How you know they were down 397 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: to their fifth and sixth linebacker, so they could get 398 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: some help there, Eric Hendricks, Ultimately, you only have it 399 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: at six points, and I was feeling about the same, 400 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: So it's not like a huge Bronc. 401 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: Take, but ULTI four games, we had to pick one. 402 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: I'll take the points, so I will take the forty 403 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: nine ers as well. So to review, we are on 404 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: the opposite sides of Bills and Broncos, and I'm. 405 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: A Bronco Yurra Bille Yes, and both rams. 406 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: We're both on the Rams and we're both on the 407 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. So an interesting where we're on the 408 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: same side for a couple of things. Now, before we 409 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: get out of here, Cynthia, let's talk about the news 410 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: that broke overnight on Wednesday into Thursday that John Harbaugh 411 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: is the next head coach of the New York Giants. 412 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: I recommend everyone read our friend Connor Orr's article about 413 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: the dinner that helps seal the deal at Aliah's in 414 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: East Rutherford, New Jersey. 415 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: Everyone knows and that whole area East Rutherford's, We're just 416 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: want to be eating dinner when you're in the New. 417 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: York that's where they live. What do you think? 418 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: Do you think this is the right guy for Jackson 419 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: dar and the Giants. 420 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: I think it's the best. Here's kind of how I 421 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: feel about this. I want John Harbaugh to be able 422 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 3: to have a little bit of control or help shaping 423 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: the roster that will be where the success or lack 424 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: of success of this team, to me lies, I don't 425 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 3: know what that configuration will be like. 426 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: It's not been told to any. 427 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: Joe Shane their gms. There is at the dinner Joe Shan's. 428 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: At the dinner, you ordered a ribbi. 429 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: Here's the question, what was the temperature? 430 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: Because if he ordered that thing well done, then we Connor. 431 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: Or thought I thought this was very provocative. There are 432 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: a lot of greaty details from this article. Number one, 433 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was there with the Giants Brass just a 434 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: couple of days before they took him there for his interview. 435 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: But for McCarthy, he ordered, you know, just like they 436 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: went to the restaurant, they ordered off the menu with 437 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: When John Harbaugh came, they made a special menu just 438 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: for Harbor. A special fish, a special steak, a special 439 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: something else. 440 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: Connor did the first two day of the. 441 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: Week, was it because in fairness, going out on a Wednesday, Remember, 442 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: Monday night is like industry night. 443 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: In the rest Okay, okay, either way, okay, but so 444 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: the first you know, they try to get Harbor to 445 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: order first, and Mark, you know, Harbot, and Siss Mara, 446 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Chris Mara, who's kind of taking over. 447 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: This is sneaky story too, with the. 448 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Giants as the John owner because because John Mara is sick, 449 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: he d is the fish John Mara, John Harbaugh orders 450 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: the fish, and then Connor thought, in a major power move, 451 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: Joe Shane goes for the Ribbi, because like, if you're 452 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: not paying for the meal, do you go with the Ribbi? 453 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: But I would think Joe Shane has been free loading 454 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: off the Giants for a while. He feels no shamee 455 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: you know a bout ordering the Ribbi. I don't know, Sorry, 456 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I went way deeper. 457 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: No, no, no, But the thing is is, and I'm trying 458 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: to say this delicately, I don't know if Joe Shane. 459 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 4: Thought about it that deeply. 460 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: I like, I. 461 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 3: Think some people would have that, like would would go deeper. 462 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: And Connor's smart, so of course. 463 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: He he he does a great job. 464 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: But I just don't know if that's where I don't 465 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: think Joe Shane's going on that level. 466 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't answer your question on that level. 467 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't think Joe Shane is going to have a 468 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: lot of control. I don't know what the setup is 469 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: going to be with John Harbaugh. I would assume John 470 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: Barba is making the decisions not just in personnel, but 471 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: in the people that he puts into the personnel department. 472 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: I expect that it will be. 473 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: Very similar to the situation that Mike Brabel had last year. Remember, 474 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh, is Elliott Wolf going to keep 475 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: his job? Elliot Wolf was kind of run in the 476 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: front of it, and everyone's in the Patriot's like, yes, yes, 477 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: he's keeping his job. Heck he got to stay at 478 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: the podium at the combine. But you know what, Mike Brabel, 479 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: the first thing he did was was hire his guy 480 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: from Tennessee Cowden, I forget his first name, Yeah, And 481 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: he brings him in and Brabel's really making the decisions, 482 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: and Cowden is his right hand man, and he's probably 483 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: like number two. And Elliot Wolf is still there and 484 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: he's helping facilitate it all. And that's kind of where 485 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: I see Joe Shane. No matter what the title is 486 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: going to be, John Harbaugh has about as much juice 487 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: as the coach of the Giants as any coach in 488 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: the league has, and it sounds like he got carte 489 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: blanche and he's bringing in everyone he wants. Todd Monkin 490 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: is coming to New York, so that's a huge get 491 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: for him, and he wants to bring Anthony Weaver to 492 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: New York. We'll see Anthony Weaver ends up going, but Weaver, 493 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: who is with him in Baltimore previously wind up going 494 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: to New York. 495 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: So there's two things that I'm going to be looking for. 496 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: Number One, who does he hire as that Number two 497 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: as that right hand person, because that matters. I mean 498 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: Chad Alexander, our guy from the Chargers who was getting 499 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: looks like he's the I believe he's the AGM right 500 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: at GM. I don't know is the title, but that 501 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: guy could be someone that could come over in that 502 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: sort of mold. 503 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 4: I'm just looking at. 504 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: It's tricky because do you go fire Joe Sheet? Is 505 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: there a chance Joe Shane just gets flat out fired? 506 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: That seems unlikely considering he's at these dinners, but who knows? 507 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: Are you just there? 508 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 509 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: But you see, if you're not watching on YouTube, then 510 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: you missed the look. But I'm looking at this one 511 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: and okay, so that's the first thing. The second thing. 512 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: You will know who's in charge if the players start 513 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: coming back on the sideline. They If you've noticed, for 514 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: the past several years, pretty much since Hard Knocks, there 515 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 3: have not been any are near the number of former 516 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: players you know that come back to bang the drum, 517 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: to do whatever whatever the fun stuff that the Giants 518 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: do to really rally the troops and training camp all 519 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 3: of the things. Right the Giants used to be like 520 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: straighthand would go back every year and blah blahlah, they 521 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: all were there. Now it's pretty sparse. So I have 522 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 3: forecast that we'll see some cool name come in that 523 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: maybe don't know but be a right hand, and then 524 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: once the players start coming back freely, then you know 525 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: kind of what's going on there. 526 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: I think Harbaugh, for where the Giants were at, ultimately 527 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: a good hire, great higher I don't think it's without risk. 528 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: He's sixty three years old. 529 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: He's been a very specific situation with good quarterback play 530 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: with Joe Flacco in, great defensive leadership and then great 531 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: quarterback play. Lamar Jackson sort of famously saved John Harbaugh's 532 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: job when they were losing that season. A couple of 533 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: seasons back to back, it looked like he was on 534 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: possibly the outs, and then Lamar comes in and plays great, 535 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: this is a different situation. I do love the fact, 536 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: if the reporting is true, that he's getting Todd Monkin 537 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: to come with him, that he did the kind of 538 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: he did the research on Jackson Dart and he thinks 539 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: there's something to play with there, and I would agree, 540 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: and I think Monkin would be a good fit for 541 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, and I do think there's talent there. So 542 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: I think Harbaugh looked at all the situations around the league. 543 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't think he was maybe gonna have every single 544 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: job like everyone was making out to be. But that's 545 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: what an agent does. He creates leverage that I need 546 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: that agent. His agent is Kevin Harlan's brother. 547 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: Bruhh, yeah yeah you told me that. Yeah, yeah, okay, 548 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 4: got it. 549 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: So I think ultimately it really felt like this whole 550 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: thing was like we need like it's been a long 551 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: time since Tom Coffin's been here, Like daddy, come help us, John, 552 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: you know. I felt like that was the situation. Can 553 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: some like grown man just help us we don't know 554 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: what we're doing. 555 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's actually probably true, And also I 556 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 3: think if you're gonna give Jackson Dart a shot, and 557 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: looking at the quarterback now we have, you know, the 558 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: kid from Organ's not coming out, So it's not like 559 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: you have. It's not like this is like the best 560 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: quarterback crop of recruits coming out ever like this, That's 561 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: not how it is. It's very different now, especially with 562 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: you know the transfer portal and everything. So I think 563 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: what they said was take a calculator risk. We want 564 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: to have the right, We want to make it work 565 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: with Jackson Dart. Can you add pieces in this specific 566 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: way to give him the best opportunity to succeed because 567 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: we don't think there's a guy out there that could 568 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: replace him. I don't, and I don't mean to sound 569 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: harsh or whatever. I like Jackson Dart a lot, like 570 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm I'm a big fan. I think that there's a 571 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: lot of great things there. I love his attitude, I 572 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: love you know, the showmanship. I'm here for all of it, 573 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: and I think he's a great quarterback. I just also 574 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: think that does factor into it. 575 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got Andrew Thomas, you got Malik Neighbors, 576 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: you have Dexter Lawrence. Though I crossed my mind, like 577 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: would he be a guy that they potentially look to 578 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: trade at this point something I think. 579 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: I would imagine some of that defensive front is up 580 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: for grabs because that is where they have surplus value. 581 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: And if you're going to trade bait anywhere, that would 582 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: be where you'd look to because they need help in 583 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 3: the secondary. They need help a lot of other places. 584 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: They need more than just one olignement. 585 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: So I mean Keevon Thibadau is another guy entering the 586 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: last year on his contract. 587 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: He would make sense. 588 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: But you have Abdul Carter, you have Brian Burns, you 589 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: have some real deal talent, and ultimately. 590 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: And Abdul Carter that contracts a lot more affordable than 591 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: some of the other ones. 592 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Yes, just saying I as someone who lived in New 593 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: York for ten years, I do think it's gonna be 594 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: fun Harbaugh there and just on the back pages, And 595 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot because he's he's a He's 596 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: not as big a personality as Jim, but he's he's 597 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: a controlling guy, but also like he's gonna have all 598 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: these relationships. If it gets hot there, he could fire off. 599 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be a lot, and I'd 600 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: like to think like everything solved, They're gonna be fine. 601 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: They have been the worst team in the NFL for 602 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: a decade now, like just in terms of record, it's. 603 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: Been them and the Jets. 604 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: And I do think this is a move that is 605 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: going to raise their floor above the well, get way 606 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: above the Jets. I think, like, I think worst case 607 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: scenario here is still pretty good. It's still like a 608 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: competitive team, and that that's a big change for the Giants. 609 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: So ultimately, Giants fans, I think you got to be 610 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: really fired up. And yes you mentioned it, Dante Moore 611 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: not in the draft. So I think that the Raiders 612 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: are very happy that they got that number one overall 613 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: pick because the Jets at number two. It's not feeling 614 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: like a draft where you could take a quarterback at 615 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: number two. But maybe that's maybe that's good for them. 616 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: They've had their own issues forcing it. 617 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 4: Which job happens, which job gets hired. Last, the Raiders 618 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 4: are the Cardinals. 619 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: I feel like the Cardinals. The Cardinals are a weird one. 620 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: But now that Harbaugh's happened, you do think we'll start 621 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: to see something, start to see some movement. I saw 622 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel was supposedly at an airport going back potentially 623 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: to Baltimore. Is there a chance that he would either 624 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: get that job or want the offensive coordinator job? 625 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: Who knows. 626 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: They just had a spiffy picture of him at the airport. 627 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: But we're going to covering all the. 628 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: Ultimore gets hired next, and then Tennessee and then I 629 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: think Steelers will be at the end too, just because 630 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: their timing is was was later. 631 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: Steelers have had some fascinating asks that they went to 632 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: Shield House first the Rams passing game, you know, young guru. 633 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: They went to Chris Shula. 634 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: By the way, I also House, who's very smart. 635 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 4: But they're like, he makes PowerPoint presentation. 636 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: And he's like thirty years old. 637 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: Like, does that mean I get to be a coach 638 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: because I made a heck of a. 639 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: Deck back in the Why I haven't worked for Sean McVay. Shoot, 640 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: that's that's what really does it? 641 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: And then on Thursday they announced they are interviewing Clay Kubiak, 642 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: the lesser known Kubiak. 643 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: Someone please, someone please, Cooper Manning. He needs to get 644 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 3: an interview now too, because. 645 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: They have a type right now and it sounds like 646 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a guy in his like young to mid 647 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: thirties that they want. 648 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: To Clay's name also being with a K. 649 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: Yes kl a y. 650 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: We will be back Saturday night, so we're going live 651 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: after the Divisional Round game. It is myself and Nick Shook. 652 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: We can't wait to do that show with you. Obviously 653 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: be in your feeds, but check my social feeds and 654 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: Knicks as well if you want to link, or check 655 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: the NFL's YouTube page when it is live or on 656 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: the NFL Daily YouTube page afterwards. Can't wait to talk 657 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: about forty nine Ers and Seahawks and Bills and Broncos. 658 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: Best weekend of the year. Divisional Round. Will see that