1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: All the State of Ohio has to show is that 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: George was involved in the case at the beginning, and 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: I think the evidence, in my opinion, showed that he was. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: You know, one thing that Kinnepa did strongly was to 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: show a slideshow of each of the victims in the 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: prime of their life and then show him dead in bed. 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: But made no mistake about it. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 4: Those two children in that picture were never going to 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 4: be raised anything other than Blacker. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 5: That moment, you know, when you walk for the jury 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 5: and you talk to them and you try to remind 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 5: them what is at stake that these people have died. 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 5: We're talking about eight people that were slaughtered. 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 6: This is the Pithon massacre. Returned to Pike County season four, 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 6: episode The Verdict is in. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 6: producer at Katie Studios. With Stephanie Leidacer and Jeff Shane, 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 6: we're at the closing arguments of George Wagner, the fourth's trial. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 6: It's important to note that George Wagner has pleaded not 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 6: guilty and has maintained he did not kill anyone. His father, 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 6: Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also pleaded not 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 6: guilty to all charges. We're n piked in for the 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 6: final days of trial. We've heard testimony from Jake, Angela 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 6: and George Wagner. But before we can hear closing arguments, 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 6: Judge Deering has some news for the jury. 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 7: The jury lard the death penalty against George Wagner. The 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 7: fourth has been taken off the table. That is the 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 7: plea deal the prosecution struck with George's brother Jake and 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 7: his mother Angela in exchange for their testimony. 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 6: After the announcement, the judge addresses the court, Good morning 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 6: the jury. 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 8: We have reached the point of which council for each 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 8: side will begining arguments. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Angiekineppa begins their closing arguments. 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 9: I just want to first of all, start by thinking 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 9: each and every one of you. You guys have probably 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 9: served at least as far as I know, in the 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 9: longest of any criminal jury, and each of you have 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 9: paid strict attention. We are here because eight innocent victims 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 9: were slaughtered, most of them in their sleep, all of 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 9: them unarmed. These murders should never have happened. 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 6: Forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan speaks to the significance of 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 6: these closing arguments. 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 5: I think they do matter. I think that it's like 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 5: going to a beautiful concert where there's going to be 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 5: this grand crescendo, that thing. 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 10: That moves people. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 5: You better bring it, and it needs to be that 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 5: thing that is going to resonate with those people. And 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 5: it's taken all this time, thousands of miles can you 50 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: imagine that have been traveled all over the place, all 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 5: the way up to Alaska and back through Canada. All 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 5: of that culminates in this moment. That moment, you know, 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 5: when you walk forward the jury and you talk to 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: them and you try to remind them what is at 55 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: stake that these people have died. We're talking about eight 56 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 5: people that were slaughtered. 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Kneppa shows photos of the victims on the large 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 6: screen in the courtroom. She starts with Frankie Rodin and 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 6: reminds the jury about who he was. She then speaks 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 6: about Hannah Hazel Gilly. 61 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 9: Hannah Hazel Gilly very proud of her son, her six 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 9: month old son. She was all of twenty years old 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 9: as well at the very beginning of her life and 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 9: especially her life as a mother. Her crime. You heard 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 9: testimony that her crime was solely being there, nothing else. 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 9: If she had not been there, she would still be 67 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 9: alive today. 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 6: The defense objects. Prosecutor stopped showing images on the large screen, 69 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 6: but she continues speaking about the victims. 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 9: Chris, There's a lot to say about him. He was 71 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 9: obviously a family man, provided for his family. But the 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 9: reason that he was killed is because he was the 73 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 9: patriarch of this family and they knew that he would 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 9: again figure out who did it and potentially seek vengeance. 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 6: Here's James Pilcher, longtime investigative reporter in Cincinnati, now at 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 6: Local twelves. 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: You know one thing that Canepa did strongly. What she 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: tried to do at the beginning was to show a 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: slide show of each of the victims, you know, in 80 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: the prime of their life, show pictures and then show 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: him dead in bed. Well, that led to objections and 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: then she basically threw that out the window, so she 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: abandoned the slide show, but she still went on to 84 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: go through here's this victim, here's this victim. I'll aid them, 85 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: bringing it back to them and bringing it back to 86 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: the fact that they were asleep. 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Canepa touches on all of the evidence presented in trial, 88 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 6: laying out the timeline from the beginning and hitting on 89 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 6: each piece of evidence tying George Wagner and his immediate 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 6: family to the murder of the Rodent, Manly and Gilly families. 91 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 11: Special Prosecutor Angie Gineppa said there was plenty of direct 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 11: and circumstantial evidence that tied George Wagner the four to 93 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 11: the homicide. One example the false statements Wagners gave to 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 11: investigators that everything was fine between Jake and Hannah rod 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 11: In when she was killed, but custody over their daughters 96 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 11: was at a boiling point. 97 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 9: Then we see the Facebook message from Hannah May saying 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 9: that she won't sign papers, that they'll have to kill 99 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 9: her first, and we know that in four short months later, 100 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 9: she and seven members of her family are dead. We 101 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 9: know that in January of twenty sixteen, they had made 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 9: the decision that they were going to kill them, and 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 9: you start seeing the purchases corresponding to that timeline. It's 104 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 9: hard to imagine that eight people would lose their lives 105 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 9: over such a flimz motive, but it's true. 106 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Caneppa reminds the jury of the evidence presented throughout 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 6: the case, the shoe prints matching George Wagner's at the 108 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 6: crime scene, as well as the bullet casings matching the 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 6: weapons used in the murder. 110 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 12: We know that. 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 9: George went into that room, and we know that he 112 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 9: stepped into blood, and we see it on our diagrams 113 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 9: exactly where that was. 114 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Canneppa reminds the jurors of George Wagner's testimony where 115 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 6: he claimed he hadn't known that his brother Jake and 116 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 6: father Billy were going to murder members of the Rodin, 117 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 6: Manly and Gilly families. 118 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 9: Did you know your family was going to kill these people? 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 12: No happen. 120 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 6: The prosecution then ties George to the crimes through Jake 121 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 6: Wagner and Angela Wagner's testimony. 122 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 9: George says to Jake, the family has spoken. There is 123 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 9: nothing that happens in that household that is not a 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 9: group decision. Jake and Angela have told you everything that 125 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 9: this defendant did that night. I'm not here to say 126 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 9: that Jake Wagner is a hero by any stretch of 127 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 9: the imagination. He is a despicable, vile human being. But 128 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 9: the difference between him and his brother is that he at. 129 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 6: Least came full Kinnepa acknowledges that when George took the stand, 130 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 6: he disputed what his brother and mother testified about him. 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 9: You've heard Jake and your mother both say that that 132 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 9: was the motive, and my. 133 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 13: Mom and brother are lying to you. 134 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 6: They have been like everybody else. 135 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 9: Angela Wagner, this is her son. Ask yourself what motive 136 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 9: would she have to say that George was involved? If 137 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 9: George wasn't involved, why would you when we got to 138 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 9: your son, you would say, Jake, Billy. 139 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 12: And I did it. 140 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 14: Despite all the evidence presented by prosecutors, it could come 141 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 14: down to who the jury believes, Jake and Angela or 142 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 14: defendant George. 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Kinneppa addresses Jake and Angela Wagner's testimony head on. 144 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 9: So let's talk about Jake and Angela's testimony. Jake Wagner 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 9: gave us a lot of information. His testimony was corroborated 146 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 9: by physical evidence. He led us to the murder weapons. 147 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 9: So again, what Jake had to tell us was corroborated 148 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 9: with physical evidence that we didn't know about. It was 149 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 9: also corroborating with physical evidence we did know about. Then 150 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 9: we talked to Angela Wagner, and she corroborates what Jake 151 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 9: Wagner told us. They basically corroborate each other. And the 152 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 9: magical and mystical thing about that is, as you heard, 153 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 9: she was not provided with her son's statement. She had 154 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 9: no idea what he said to us when he sat down. 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 6: With us again, James Pilcher. 156 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: One of the points she made very clearly was Jake 157 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: and Angela had no chance to corroborate none. They couldn't 158 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: see each other's statements. They're in separate jails. They couldn't talk, 159 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: they couldn't watch each other's testimony. Nothing. How come their 160 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: stories line up so well versus what George had to say, 161 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: and they're both saying the same thing or close enough 162 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: to the same thing, whereas George is saying something completely different. 163 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: Who are you going to believe? And then on top 164 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: of that, she makes a point it's one thing for 165 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: a brother to testify against a brother, but it's another 166 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: thing for a mother to testify against her funt, even 167 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: as she says she loves it. That came across as 168 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: very compelling. 169 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Karnepa argues that Jake and Angela Wagner's testimony matches, 170 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 6: especially on one key point. 171 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 9: Both Jake and Angela tell you they are guilty. Jake 172 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 9: is guilty, Angela is guilty. They don't deny that, they 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 9: don't lie about that. The reason their stories match is 174 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 9: because they both finally decided to tell the truth. 175 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 6: Here's attorney and legal analyst Mike Allen. 176 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: I think the credibility goes with Angela because George any 177 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: number of times just said I don't recall, I don't remember. 178 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I didn't count him up, but there are a lot 179 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: of times that he said that, and I don't recall 180 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: hearing that in Angela or Jake's testimony for that matter. 181 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: It was just pretty straightforward. So I think if you 182 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't have the physical evidence and it's George against those two, 183 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: I think they win and George doesn't because a lot 184 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of things he didn't remember, and he contradicted himself on 185 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: a number of occasions. 186 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 6: Well, George Wagner appeared calm during his testimony on the stand. 187 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Kanepa reminds the jury of the wires app recording 188 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 6: of George. 189 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, I would strongly invite you to listen to that 190 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 9: recording again and ask yourselves if that is the voice, 191 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 9: or the demeanor, or the attitude or the approach of 192 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 9: somebody who would ever sit one out again. 193 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: James Pilcher, I will say Kneppa did kind of bring 194 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: it home early on when she said you saw George 195 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: up on the stand, but then you also heard George 196 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: on these recordings. Well, the real George Wagner, please stand up. 197 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: Those are my words, not hers. But basically she's saying, 198 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: the real George Wagner is not the one that was 199 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: all to help on the stand. He was coached, he 200 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: was whatever he was. The real George Wagner is the 201 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: one you hear in those recordings who's a for all 202 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: intents and purposes as a madman. 203 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 9: He indicated to you that a few days before the 204 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 9: homicides that Billy told George that he wanted George to 205 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 9: shoot Chris in the head. He went up there to 206 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 9: Union Hill Road on April twenty first, twenty sixteen, knowing 207 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 9: for well what was going to happen. 208 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 6: Well, George may not have pulled the trigger during the murders. 209 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 6: The prosecution contends that doesn't matter to prove conspiracy to murder. 210 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 9: He doesn't have to be the person that actually pulled 211 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 9: the trigger. Right. You heard that Jake Wagner pled to 212 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 9: eight counts of aggravated murder because he pulled the trigger 213 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 9: as to five according to him, but he was complicit 214 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 9: in remaining three. You heard Angela Wagner say that she 215 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 9: also was guilty of eight counts of aggravated murder because 216 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 9: she was complicit in it because she knew what they 217 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 9: were going to do. She ate it and embedded them. 218 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 9: You were complicit because you knew what was going to happen. 219 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 9: You knew what they were going to go do, and 220 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 9: you aided and abedded them. 221 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 6: Here's Jeff speaking with. 222 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 14: Mike gallon something she really hammered home. 223 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 15: Which I think is important to remind the listeners is 224 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 15: that George could still be found guilty of murder even 225 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 15: if he didn't pull the trigger under Ohio law, like, 226 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 15: as long as he's involved in the planning and the 227 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 15: cover up, that's enough to find him guilty. 228 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: All the State of Ohio has to show is that 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: George was involved in the case at the beginning, and 230 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: I think the evidence, in my opinion, showed that he 231 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: was in the beginning and then he was part of 232 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: the execution of the crime. And I think that's clear 233 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: that he was a part of it and a part 234 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: of the cover up, and that gets you into the 235 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: complicity part of it. 236 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 13: And that's all you need for a murder conviction. I mean, 237 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 13: you don't have to. 238 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Show and they couldn't show, and they didn't show that 239 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: George pulled the trigger because he didn't, but he was 240 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: in it up to his neck, and I think that 241 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: was clear at the end of all the testimony and evidence, 242 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: and Miss Kinneppitt really kind of just hit on all 243 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: of those points in her closing. 244 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 6: The prosecution also spoke to the plea deal given to 245 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 6: Jake in exchange for his testimony. 246 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 9: Mister Parker has called this the deal of the century 247 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 9: for Jake Wagner, the deal of the century. But let's 248 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 9: just talk a little bit about that. First of all, 249 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 9: he played guilty to every count of the indictment except 250 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 9: for the death telling specifications, which we dismissed in exchange 251 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 9: for him telling us what happened. Not just telling us 252 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 9: what happened. But you heard from Special Agent Shier that 253 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 9: the victim's family was consulted in this and as you 254 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 9: might imagine if this was somebody that you loved, you 255 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 9: would want to know what happened more than any think 256 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 9: some of them got the peace of mind they were 257 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 9: looking for because their loved one was sleeping. Some of 258 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 9: them did not, but they wanted to know, and they 259 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 9: wanted us to do the deal. 260 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Again, Mike Allan, Obviously from their conduct in the court room, 261 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: there's close relationships between the prosecutor and the Rodent family. 262 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they have any problem at all with 263 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: the deals that were made in this case. But in 264 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: any homicide case, you have to get buy in from 265 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the victim's family, and I think that's what. 266 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 13: She did here. 267 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I see a lot of cooperation and a lot of 268 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: admiration too, So I don't have any doubt that Angie 269 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: Kneppa consulted, probably at length with the Rodent family before 270 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: they cut the deal with Jake and Angela. 271 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 6: After nearly five hours, Prosecutor Kanepa finishes her closing argument. 272 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 9: I know this was very, very long. I just wanted 273 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 9: to kind of try my best to kind of lay 274 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 9: a foundation of the evidence that we believe supports a 275 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 9: conviction of George Wagner. The fourth of each and every 276 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 9: count in this indictment, whether he is a principal offender 277 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 9: or whether he is exquisite in it. He knew what 278 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 9: was going to happen. He participated in what happened. Jake 279 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 9: and Angela have told you everything that this defendant did 280 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 9: that night and his participation in the aggravator murders and 281 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 9: all the other crimes listed in the indictment. Respectfully, class 282 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 9: that weturn verdicts of guilty as to each count into 283 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 9: each specification. Thank you. 284 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 6: The day of the trial ends with prosecutor Canepa's closing argument. 285 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 6: Here's Mike Allen, followed by investigative reporter an Jeannette Levy 286 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 6: of the Law and Crime Network. 287 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: The defense has to make the points that they want 288 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: to make, and they also have to counter what the 289 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: prosecutor says in closing argument. 290 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 16: I think that Jake and Angela's testimony, coupled with the 291 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 16: wiretops that do not bode well for George. He still 292 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 16: sounds like he's in the thick of this and he 293 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 16: knows exactly what's going on. You would think. 294 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 17: That that would just be very difficult for the defense 295 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 17: to overcome, for them to come into court and feel 296 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 17: confident that they were going to somehow poken up holes 297 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 17: in Jake and Angela's testimony to make George not guilty 298 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 17: beyond a reasonable doubt. 299 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 6: We're going to take a break. We'll be back in 300 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 6: a moment. The next day, the defense delivers their closing remarks. 301 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 6: John Parker opens with a joke about how he's not 302 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 6: going to go as long as the state did. In 303 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 6: his closing remarks, Parker then goes after the state's key witnesses, 304 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 6: Jake and Angela Wagner. 305 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 18: Angela and Jake, he's a mama's boy. 306 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 19: You heard testimony about that. 307 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 18: They're liars, they're connors, they're thieves. 308 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 6: Defense attorney Parker brings up Jake's character there laughing. 309 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 20: And smiling and smirking as he's talking about these murders. 310 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 9: He's cold bloater. 311 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 21: I think he's psychotic. 312 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 13: He didn't see that care in the world. 313 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 18: It's like sitting around talking about a football game on 314 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 18: Monday morning. 315 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 20: Is the way he's. 316 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 21: Talking about killing these people. It's disgusting. 317 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 13: He's a sick man. 318 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: You can't believe what that guy says. 319 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 6: The defense hits again on an argument that they've used 320 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 6: repeatedly throughout the trial that the evidence tying George Wagner 321 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 6: to the murderers is at best circumstantial. 322 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 18: There's no proof here beyond your reasonable doubt, that George 323 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 18: was even up there, and we could offer him nothing 324 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 18: for his testimony. He was vigorously cross examined. You saw 325 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 18: his demeanor. Compare that to Jinks and his mother. He's 326 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 18: no testimony. George is the shooter. There's no reliable testimony that. 327 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 21: He was even there. 328 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 18: This has to be proven beyond the reasonable that there's 329 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 18: all kinds of reasons to doubt. 330 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 6: Parker then to dismantle the state's argument that the Wagoners 331 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 6: are a walking criminal conspiracy. 332 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 18: The state in this case that you have seen with 333 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 18: respect to George, paints with. 334 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 9: A very very broadbrush. All right, how many times have. 335 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 22: We heard they them? 336 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 19: You guys, the Wagners? 337 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 21: All right? 338 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 9: George is one's about trial here, all right. 339 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 18: We are not here to defend Billy, we are not 340 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 18: here to defend Angela. 341 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 23: We're certainly not here to defend James, all right. 342 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 13: And basically, I. 343 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 22: Mean there were days and days that went by when 344 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 22: you didn't hear Georgie's name, and that's significant. 345 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 6: Parker has the jury to return a verdict of not 346 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 6: guilty on all charges. 347 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 22: You folks stand between the power of the government and 348 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 22: the man with George Waite, so you've seen the power 349 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 22: of the government, and in this particular case, they've over 350 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 22: when it comes to Georgia. 351 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 6: Mike Allen offers his thoughts to how the defense did 352 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 6: on closing arguments. 353 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think he did as well as he could. 354 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: And his closing argument did not take five hours, But 355 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: he did as well as he could with what he had, 356 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: which wasn't a heck of a lot. 357 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 13: He just didn't, you know. 358 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: He called the state's witnesses liars, con artist mainly Jake 359 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: and Angela really hit Jake card and really, I mean, 360 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: that's pretty much all he had. When you're a defense counsel, 361 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: you get the case that you get and you're not 362 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: going to be able to change things factually. So the 363 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: short answer is, I think they did as well as 364 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: they could. 365 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: After the defense rests, Andrew Wilson delivers the prosecution's rebuttal. 366 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: The concept of complicity works in Ohio is that two or. 367 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: More people set out to achieve a criminal. 368 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: Purpose a criminal goal, when one doing one part and 369 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: others doing the other part. 370 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 4: Then each one of them is individually guilty as if 371 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 4: they were the principal offender Festimal. 372 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: That's how it works. 373 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 4: There's been no direct testimony that he actually pulled the 374 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: trigger and any. 375 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 21: One of those murders. But you better believe he's up 376 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 21: to his eyeballs as they plot, as they prepare, as 377 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 21: they execute, and as they cover up those murders. 378 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 19: He's in it up to his islands. 379 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: The prosecution has a huge advantage, and boy, I tell you, 380 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: I think they utilized it in this case. 381 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 13: To where they get the final word. 382 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: They get to address the jury after the defense does 383 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: their closing argument. It's done because the state has the 384 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: burden of proof. 385 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 13: That's why they get the last fight at the apple. 386 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 13: Having been a defense counsel and having been. 387 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: A prosecutor, that I can tell you that's a huge 388 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: advantage for the state prosecutor. 389 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 6: Wilson addresses Shake and Angela Wagner's testimony they matched. 390 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: The only way that happens without her knowing what he 391 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: said is if they're telling the truth about. 392 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 9: What they observed, what they knew. 393 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 6: Wilson goes on to address Jake and his testimony. 394 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 21: He's not our star witness. 395 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: He's a terrible, terrible human being. He's equal, and he's 396 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: going to spend the rest of his miserable existence locked 397 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: in a cage. He's going to spend the rest of 398 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 4: his life separated from what. 399 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 21: Means most of him, his family. 400 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: He will never be free again. And as incredibly distasteful 401 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 4: as it was, the state entered into an agreement with 402 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: Jake for one night. 403 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: We needed one thing of guns. That's what we need 404 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: from him. 405 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: Him leading us to those guns was incredibly important. 406 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 6: Wilson also reveals while the prosecution didn't play the tape 407 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 6: of George Wagner's interview at the Canadian border again James Pilcher, and. 408 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: That was because they didn't want that tape to serve 409 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: as his own testimony and his own denial. If he 410 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: was going to deny it, he was going to have 411 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: to deny it from the stand, and they didn't want 412 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: to give him the opportunity to tailor his testimony to 413 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: what he said at that point, which was key too, 414 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 2: because he did have a major inconsistency between what he 415 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: said at the border versus what he said on the stand. 416 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: At the border, he said he went to bed about 417 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: some time after midnight after watching the Ferry movie whatever. 418 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: But then on the stand, he said he went to 419 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: bed before ten with the Hits, and yeah, he should 420 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: have heard them leave, but he didn't. He usually stays 421 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: up an hour after he goes to bed, and somehow 422 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: I didn't hear Jake and Billy Leaves didn't even know 423 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: they had gone. So that was a major inconsistency. And 424 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 2: Wilson brought that home in his clothing. 425 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 6: Andrew Wilson then shows a photo of the Wagner family 426 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 6: with all the kids. 427 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 4: Why don't you look at this picture, man, This picture 428 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 4: speaks volumes. It speaks volumes. They don't want you to 429 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: believe that this case is about custom, that these murders 430 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 4: had anything to do about custom. 431 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: But maybe no mistake about it. 432 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 4: Those two children in that picture were never going to 433 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: be raised anything other than why men. 434 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: They wanted control of those kids, and that's what this 435 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: was all about. It started with George's son with Tabitha 436 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: and getting control over that little boy. And it was 437 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: the same thing about Jake's daughter with Hannah. But Hannah 438 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: had a support system, Hannah had a family, and they 439 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: were going to fight back. 440 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 6: Wilson closes out the prosecution's rebuttal with one final thought. 441 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 9: He is guilty. He's guilty. 442 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: And when you make that fine, when you look at 443 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 3: all that evidence, he's guilty. At that point, byball, you're 444 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: required to find him guilty. And that's what he'll do, 445 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: because that's. 446 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 23: What he is. 447 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: Andy Wilson's rebuttal closing, I mean, everybody who watched it 448 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: was like, I think that just sealed the deal. He 449 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: answered every outstanding question defense had raised to a t. 450 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: He was enthusiastic, he was forceful. 451 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 6: Forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan agrees. 452 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 5: When that bailiff causes that jury to rise, and you 453 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 5: better leave an impression on when they go back there, 454 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: and that big crescendo is what you want. It's one 455 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 5: of the oldest cliches that prosecutors used. And they'll say 456 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 5: things like, do not let their desks be in vain. 457 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: Hold these people accountable for what they have done, snuffing 458 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 5: out these lives in the most horrific way possible, These 459 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 5: people who have scarred our county forever and ever and 460 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 5: ever for generations to come. Hold them accountable. And they 461 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 5: might even throw in God they'll say, you know, someday 462 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 5: they'll be judged by God, but right now is your 463 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 5: time to judge them upon. 464 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 21: What they have done. 465 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 6: Before the day ends, Judge Dearing gives instructions to the jury. 466 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 6: The next morning, at eight thirty am, the jury begins deliberations. 467 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: After a two and a half year investigation, after a 468 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: three and a half month trial, the longest criminal trial 469 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: in the history of Ohio, the most expensive trial in 470 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: the history of Ohio, it is now in the hands 471 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: of nine women and three men, the twelve jurors. 472 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, if they're out for a short period of time, 473 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: if they're not out long, that's good for the state, 474 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: the prosecution. If the longer they go, it's better for 475 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: the defense because you know they're thinking about it. Then 476 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: the other thing too, The longer they go, the better 477 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: chance that they will have a hung jury, which is 478 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: a victory for the defense attorney. 479 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 6: With the fate of George Wagner in the jury's hands, 480 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 6: all the defense and prosecution can do is wait. 481 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 15: What are those hours like? It must be so tense. 482 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 13: Let me tell you something. 483 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: They are the slowest hours in a trial lawyer's life, 484 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: from when a jury begins to deliberate until when they 485 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: come up with a verdict. 486 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 13: You stay around your office and then just kind. 487 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: Of like dwell on it and it's just hard to 488 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: concentrate on anything else. It's kind of brutal. But on 489 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: the other hand, it's exciting too, because you know, then 490 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: you get back in the courtroom and the jury walks 491 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: in and you know you're looking at whether they look 492 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: in the eye, and you know then they'll give their verdicts. 493 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: So it's tough, but it's also exciting. I guess it's 494 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the best way to put it. 495 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 6: Two and a half hours into deliberation, the jury asked 496 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 6: to see Judge Jeering. 497 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: There were some rumblings when that note came out with 498 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: the question. There was a couple of people who thought 499 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: it might have been a verdict and we're like, no, 500 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: it wasn't the case. So some false information got put 501 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: out there. Initially ended at about eleven they sent down a 502 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: question and apparently went on the record and they'd asked 503 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: the transcript of Jake's testimony, or at least just a 504 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: part of it, and Judge Deering said, no, you have 505 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: to get all of it, and I'm going to want 506 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: you to read all of it, because it's not fair 507 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: to exact certain excerpts, especially if you're just going to 508 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: look at one part from the direct examination and not 509 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: look at what the cross examination was. That wouldn't be fair, 510 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: takes it out of context. And he said, to be 511 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: to be honest, it's not fair, and if you're going 512 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: to do this, really I should make you read the 513 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: transcripts of all of the witnesses. But even if it's 514 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: just shake, it's seven hundred and fifty seven hundred and 515 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: sixty pages. 516 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 6: The jury goes back to deliberating. 517 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: Then about four o'clock on Wednesday, we were notified that 518 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: they had a verdict, and we're like, wow, that was 519 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: very very quick. So that's like seven hours, you know, 520 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: less than seven hours of deliberation if you count their breaks, 521 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: and probably took them at least thirty minutes to an 522 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: hour to sign all the forms because there's twenty two 523 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: forms that all twelve had to sign for all twenty 524 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: two charges. 525 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 16: The bailiff came upstairs and he went back into the 526 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 16: judges chambers, and then he came out and he looked 527 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 16: over at a couple of us sitting in the gallery 528 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 16: and said be ready in twenty five minutes. I said, 529 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 16: what a verdict in twenty five minutes? And he said, 530 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 16: there's a verdict in twenty five minutes, and I just 531 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 16: tweeted it out immediately. 532 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 6: The jury enters the courtroom, a. 533 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 16: Lot of people will say, Oh, if the jurors come 534 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 16: in and they don't look at the defendant, that means 535 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 16: it's a guilty verdict, And if they come in and 536 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 16: they look at the defendant, it's a not guilty verdict. 537 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 6: The clerk hands the verdict forms to Judge Daring. He 538 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 6: reads the jury's verdict. 539 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 8: Verdict does to count one. It says, we the jury 540 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 8: find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant, George Washington 541 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 8: Wager the fourth is guilty of aggravated murder has charged 542 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 8: in count one of the indictment. Ladies and gentlemen of 543 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 8: the jury, is that your verdict yet. 544 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 6: Again? 545 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 24: Antonette Leeby, when the first guilty verdict was read, you 546 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 24: heard kind of a noise, a gasp, but almost like 547 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 24: a cry of sorts, and that came from the road 548 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 24: and family, and. 549 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 16: I feel like that was some type of big, you know, 550 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 16: a sense of relief on their part. There were a 551 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 16: lot of tears. I think these were tiers of relief. 552 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 16: It's like an emotional release. You know, you're sitting there, 553 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 16: waiting and waiting. You've been sitting there for all of 554 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 16: these weeks, looking at horrible things, hearing horrible things, seeing 555 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 16: horrible things, and I think they knew collectively when that 556 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 16: first guilty verdict was read, they were all going to 557 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 16: be guilty. 558 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 6: Judge Daring continues reading the verdict. George Wagner has found 559 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 6: guilty on all eight murder charges. He has also found 560 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 6: guilty of aggravated burglary, conspiracy, gun charges, and tampering with 561 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 6: evidence for a total of twenty two charges. George Wagner's 562 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 6: reaction to the verdict was similar to his demeanor throughout 563 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 6: the trial. 564 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 15: George Wagner showed no emotion. 565 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: No, this is lawyer John Parker. Could He shook his hair, 566 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: kind of nodded and you know, seemed a little upset, 567 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: but no, George showed absolutely no emotion. He just kept 568 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: his eyes down. 569 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 16: I think George Wagner, when they brought him in and 570 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 16: just looking at his face. 571 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 24: He knew, he knew that he was going to be. 572 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 16: Convicted, and I felt like I just saw his eyes 573 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 16: kind of blink, just, you know, briefly and kind of quickly. 574 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 24: Once the first guilty verdict was. 575 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: Read, Judge Daring said George Wagner, sentencing for December nineteenth. 576 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 6: After the verdict, the Rodent family gives a press conference 577 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 6: speaking on their behalf as Tony Roden Chris Roden, Senior's brother. 578 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 25: I would like to thank the citizens of the state 579 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 25: of Ohio for barreness, burden that should have never happened 580 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 25: to this family in southern a little bit of peace. 581 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 19: We still have a long route to go. 582 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 25: We'll get there because we are family the party. 583 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 19: We're gonna go. 584 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 6: Home a little easier tonight. 585 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 26: We're gon. 586 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 13: We don't take for granted anymore. We love but once 587 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 13: we got and never let go. 588 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 6: If you never A reporter asked the Rodent family their 589 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 6: thoughts on George Wagner. Here's Tony Roden's response. 590 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 19: I feel sorry for him. 591 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 13: Why is that? 592 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 9: Why? 593 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 22: Why? 594 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 19: Because he is human? 595 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 13: How do you find the humanity time like this when 596 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 13: he did so much to your family? 597 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 19: I think we all have human in us. There's just 598 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 19: a difference in us. 599 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 6: The prosecution also gives a statement to the press and 600 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 6: the Rodent, Wagner and Gilly families. Here's Andrew Kneppa, followed 601 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 6: by Rob Junk from the State. 602 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 9: You guys have trusted us with your lives and the 603 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 9: lives of your loved ones, and I know today's verdict 604 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 9: does not bring your loved ones back. I know that, 605 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 9: but I do hope that it gives you some some 606 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 9: lens of peace that yet another one of the evil 607 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 9: monsters that did this to your family have been held accountable. 608 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 20: Justice was done, and again they heard the voices of 609 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 20: our eight victims today. The jury listened. They understood we 610 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 20: could never ever ever bring them back. But I can 611 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 20: tell you that good Lord Willing George Wagner the fourth 612 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 20: will never be in a position to hurt anyone ever ever. 613 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 13: Again. 614 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 6: Journalists and legal experts who have been following the case 615 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 6: for years weighing on the verdict. 616 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 16: Antinette Levy, I wasn't completely surprised when they came back 617 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 16: with guilty verdicts because it was so fast the way 618 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 16: that I read the indictment. If you're guilty of one murder, 619 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 16: you've got to be guilty of all of them. You 620 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 16: know that it's a conspiracy case, and all of these 621 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 16: homicides happened on the same night. So if the theory 622 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 16: is that all three of the guys were there, Billy, Jake, 623 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 16: and George, and these homicides were committed and carried out 624 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 16: that night. Under the law, if he's complicit with the 625 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 16: complicity instruction that was given to the jury, then he's 626 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 16: guilty of everything unless there's a compromise. 627 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 6: After the guilty verdict, George Wagner is taken back to 628 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 6: jail where he will wait until he is sentenced. Let's 629 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 6: stop here for another break. December nineteenth is the day 630 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 6: George Wagner is to be sentenced for the murders of 631 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 6: the Rodent, Manly and Gilly family members. 632 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 14: Even if Judge Randy Dearing does stack a minimum possible 633 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 14: sentence of thirty years. Concurrently, Wagner still faces significant time 634 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 14: for sixteen other charges. 635 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 10: With the sentencing arse state rots yes, don't sure, yes. 636 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 6: Prosecutor Angie Kinnepa begins her sentencing remarks. 637 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 9: It has been said far and often that this is 638 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 9: one of the most serious aggregated murders of the. 639 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 23: State of Ohio. 640 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 9: Not that any murder, of course, comes without pain and 641 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 9: horror for those killed and those left to hide. But 642 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 9: the killing of eight people in such a premitedicated fashion 643 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 9: for literally no reason, and all in one night, I 644 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 9: would suggest, does make this one of the most serious 645 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 9: aggregating murder cases Ohio has seen today. I urge the 646 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 9: court to focus specifically and mainly on that impact to 647 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 9: the families when fashioning sentence in this case. And this 648 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 9: is the unjustified, unprovoked, horrible senses killing them eight innocent people. 649 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 9: We urge the court from post eight consecutive life without 650 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 9: choral sentences regarding the murder of each of these lives 651 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 9: and Jimpoe's maximum and consecutive sentences to each of the 652 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 9: remaining accounts as well. The defendant in the sentencing memory 653 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 9: and then begs for merci. He shared no mercy for 654 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 9: the victims who just wanted to live. They have no 655 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 9: one to beg for their lives for Demand's d process. 656 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 9: He is a judged jury and executioner in their lives. 657 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 9: He deserves no mercy. 658 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 14: In pre sentenced motions, Wagner's lawyers asked for a sentence 659 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 14: which would give him the possibility of a parole. The 660 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 14: prosecution asked for the maximum possible life without parole, and 661 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 14: for the eight murder counts to be served consecutively with. 662 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 6: Pre sentencing motions over Prosecutor Krenepa tells the court that 663 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 6: members of the Rodent, Manly, and Gilly families are going 664 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 6: to deliver their victim impact statements. 665 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 14: James Pilcher, a jury of nine women and three men 666 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 14: took less than eight hours to find George Wagner the 667 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 14: Fourth guilty on all twenty two charges for his role 668 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 14: in the twenty sixteen Pike County massacre. Now Wagner must 669 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 14: not only face his punishment, but the survivors from the Rodent, 670 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 14: Gilly and Manly families. They get their first opportunity to 671 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 14: address a Wagner directly about the crimes. 672 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 6: Ten family members give statements in person or through victims advocates. 673 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 6: Here's Andrea's Shoemaker, mother of Hannah Hazel Gilly. 674 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 23: George Bidener the fourth, one of you introduced myself. You see, 675 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 23: you said you're enough that. 676 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 27: You never met my father, Hannah Hazel Gilly. I'm a mom, 677 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 27: Andre a shoemaker. 678 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 23: I stand here today to be her voice, since you. 679 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 26: George Wadener the Fourth and your evil family took her. 680 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 28: Frankie rod I shoon to be son in law, the 681 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 28: young man that gave me. 682 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 23: My first grandson. 683 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 28: I love you have for my beautiful baby girl, Hanna 684 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 28: Hazel was what was your two sons a heart as 685 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 28: for you son. 686 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 23: My gan grandson was made an orphan in one night. 687 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 12: I see the. 688 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 29: Pain of he mars for a dad sad and it 689 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 29: is something he won't. 690 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 28: Do for the work of his life, his one his 691 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 28: daddy and Hannah Hazel Billy, my best girl. 692 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 21: Only the age of twy. 693 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 12: Got me mad. 694 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 23: Who fell in with the love. 695 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 28: With a young man, Drankie Braiden, the love of Hannah 696 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 28: Hazel Billy's life. Annah Hazel was the first of my 697 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 28: children to give me the blessing of becoming a man all. 698 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 12: Hannah Hannah Hazel Billy was. 699 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 23: Her first time mom to her beautiful son, and what 700 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 23: a mommy she was. She loved her son with her 701 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 23: whole heart and for her. 702 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 27: Generally had six months six months of his life. That 703 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 27: is the one thing she wanted to see in her 704 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 27: whole young life is to watch him grow up. 705 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 23: My baby girl. I miss you beyond words. 706 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 12: Another life take him way too soon, but will never 707 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 12: be forgotten. 708 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 27: Haname was such an innocent young lady, a great mother 709 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 27: to two beautiful girls. 710 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 23: I watch your baby girl more. 711 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 12: More to know who her mommy was. 712 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 23: I answer questions that should have never had to be 713 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 23: asked in the first place. 714 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 6: My heart is for ever broken that she and. 715 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 23: Her sister will never knew the mommy. 716 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 26: The list of victims gets longer. 717 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 23: The eight lives are just the ones no longer on 718 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 23: this earth. 719 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 12: We are we have. It's a new family. 720 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 28: The Gilly Manlies and the Romans have all suffered. We 721 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 28: are all suffering, hurting, always heartbroken, forever without our children, 722 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 28: all because the devils, like the dark Devil's hunt at night, 723 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 28: just like you, George Wagner the Fourth and your evil 724 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 28: family did on Friday April the twenty first and twenty. 725 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 23: Seconds of twenty and sixteen. 726 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 27: All I want is my baby girl, Hannah Hazel, and 727 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 27: that I will never have. I only agree to the 728 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 27: state because I want all these older families to get 729 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 27: justice on earth while they're still here, because of the 730 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 27: fact that Gary's dad, Dana's dad, and my dad didn't get. 731 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 23: Their justice while on this earth. 732 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 27: And I pray to God that your son learns. 733 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 23: What kind of a monster you really are. 734 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 12: And he never wants anything to do with you. 735 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 23: And I pray Judge dry they used. 736 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 28: To get turned out at the Doorge partner, the force 737 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 28: really is and my kids up. 738 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 23: But with my life of prisons. 739 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 6: Here's Kenja Rodin, daughter of Kenny Rodin. 740 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,959 Speaker 26: As I seen here today, I know I should fills 741 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 26: the piece. I should have peace because you have been 742 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 26: found building on all twenty counts. I should go relief 743 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 26: that justice is being served, but there is no real 744 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 26: justice and piece is not a feeling I have. Hannahme 745 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 26: was my peace, and because of you and your family, 746 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 26: she is gone eight life sneaking in so many more. 747 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 26: Traumatized by the horrendous acts committed by. 748 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 23: The lack of family. 749 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 26: For months, I was riddled with questions of whom and why. 750 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 26: I tried to find souls, in the belief that most 751 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 26: of my family members i'd instantly them being shot in 752 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 26: the head. 753 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 23: Unfortunately that was not true. 754 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 26: When SIGNED found my father's like this body the corner seated. 755 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 12: My father died within minutes. 756 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 23: I'm being shot. 757 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 30: Minutes, not seconds. So now I'm like wondering for how 758 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 30: long did he remain conscious? Conscious? Did he feel the pain? 759 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 30: How long was he conscious for knowing his death was 760 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 30: imminent and there was nothing he could do. What went 761 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 30: through his mind in those. 762 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 26: Moments that I imagined felt like hours as she died alone? 763 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 26: What about Hannah, maa she liked next to her nurse 764 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 26: and infant. Did she die in fear not knowing what 765 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 26: would happen to her child? How long did she like 766 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 26: there helplessly knowing she could do nothing to protect her 767 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 26: infant from the evil the storm front, the storm through 768 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 26: her home that night. The questions were accompanied by nightmare's 769 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 26: night after night, lack of sleep. Really crazy, I thought 770 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 26: I could not escape it. Every time I closed my eyes, 771 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 26: I was taken back to that horrific moments I find. 772 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 23: Out that my family was murdered. 773 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 26: I'd beg for anything to stop and ever a new 774 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 26: pain and grief, to the point I nearly ended my 775 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 26: own life and December twenty seventeen. In twenty eighteen, I 776 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 26: had my daughter. It should have been a moment filled 777 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 26: with nothing but joy. Instead, it was filled with heartache, 778 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 26: knowing my father would never hold my daughter. Now, as 779 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 26: I plan for my wedding, I dread walking down the 780 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 26: aisle because my father will not be walking with you. 781 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 26: Or handing me over as a father should. 782 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 23: I won't look over to the. 783 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 26: Bride's nids and see hand of me as my maid 784 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 26: of honor. I won't see Frankie and the crowd making 785 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 26: some sort. 786 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 23: Of commotion to make me laugh and call my nurse. 787 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 26: Christopher won't be there as the life of the party, 788 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,919 Speaker 26: making me a scene as his usual gifty. So you see, 789 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 26: eight lives were taken in the most brutal ways that 790 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 26: many more lives were stolen. You took moments that were 791 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,320 Speaker 26: no more years to take. 792 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 23: Than the life you and your family took. 793 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 26: I am sorry you never got to know the unconditional 794 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 26: love of a mother and father, but it does not 795 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 26: excuse your participation in the grim murders your family committed. 796 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 23: As a whole. 797 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 26: My family and I are not asking for your demise, 798 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 26: but I do ask that you receive the mexicinality. It 799 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 26: is not justice, but I believe in my heart it 800 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 26: is the closest we can get. 801 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 6: Here's Frankie Rhoden's former girlfriend and mother of their son. 802 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 31: My first little statement is actually one that my son 803 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 31: has written with himself a victim of the ninth. It 804 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 31: was now since turn pay I find myself wondering why 805 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 31: you killed my daddy. There are things that make me 806 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 31: sad because I can't learn from him. He could have 807 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 31: taught me stuff like working on Derby cars and kum hunting. 808 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 31: My mommy tried, but it's not as good as Daddy was. 809 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 31: I have been scared since that night, knowing bad guys 810 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 31: came into my house while I was sleeping. I'm always 811 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 31: scared now that I will lose my mommy. You did 812 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 31: that to me. 813 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 23: I just wanted you that I hate you with your family. 814 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 23: Those are the words. 815 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 9: Of a ten year old boy. 816 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 31: For him to tell me he watches daddy's can fall 817 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 31: while he tried to wake him up because his baby 818 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 31: brother screaming is traumatic itself, but Knowingdaddy has seen stuff 819 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 31: hurts my heart so much. The sleepless nights, the panic attacks, 820 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 31: and constant worry is so it's you and your family 821 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 31: did that. 822 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 9: This is history and I'm just living it. 823 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 31: We may have been friends in the past, but for 824 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 31: you to get up here on that stand and take 825 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 31: an oath and. 826 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 9: Still why with me, excuse me, I don't know. 827 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 21: I hope you burn in hell. 828 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 23: George. 829 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 31: I will say, there's one thing I have learned is 830 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 31: that God wants us to forgive, and maybe one day 831 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 31: I will forgive you, But at this time I just 832 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 31: can't thank your honor. 833 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,919 Speaker 6: Here's April Manly, Danna Roaden's sister in law. 834 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 23: As I stand here today, I realize I'm standing here 835 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 23: for my father in law, Lendard Sue. Leonard caught a 836 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 23: short fight with liver cancer. All he wanted to do 837 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 23: was be with these baby girl, Dana Roading and make 838 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 23: sure she was okay. For that reason, he would and 839 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 23: fight for his life. Leonard would tell us time and 840 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 23: time again that he was sorry for leaving us, but 841 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 23: he just couldn't walk this world without Dana any longer. 842 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 23: He made me promise that I would see these trials through, 843 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 23: that I would be at every court day. So here 844 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 23: I stand today, at the end of one of them. 845 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 23: I don't only stand here for Winter but myself as well. 846 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 23: You see, James Manley and I would be married twenty 847 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 23: eight years this week. The Rugnans are also in my family, 848 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 23: but in heart as well. 849 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 12: I was. 850 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 23: Made of honor at day on Chris's wedding. I be 851 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 23: beset Freakie Hannah Little Chris from the time I was born, 852 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 23: until they was old enough to stay by themselves. Even 853 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 23: after they was old enough to look after themselves, I 854 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 23: would still see them daily. That's why I referred to 855 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 23: them my babies. Then comes the morning of April twenty second, 856 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 23: two sevenenty sixteen, where all of our life changed forever 857 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 23: and will never be the same again. Not one, not 858 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 23: to but eight family members were taken away from us. 859 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 23: It was like the bottom fell out of my soul. 860 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 23: Hundreds of people around me, but I felt like I 861 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 23: watched this warm the line to this day, my husband said, 862 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 23: streaming to us and asleep, s tell anything. He called that. 863 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,879 Speaker 23: You know, my stepson was never afraid of the dark. 864 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 23: He is now fifteen years old and still't won't go 865 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 23: outside by himself after dark. 866 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 21: He says that they came in the darkness took them. 867 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 19: All the way. 868 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 23: Before that night. He was never afraid. I hope George 869 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 23: Wagner spends the rest of his life in prison without 870 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,959 Speaker 23: seeing your loved ones for the rest of your life, 871 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 23: just like you made sure we went and see ours. 872 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 23: I hope you feel the loneliness and the emptiness that 873 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 23: we feel for the rest of your life. And I 874 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 23: have one last wish for you, George said, you and 875 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 23: your family made shoe. You were the last ones to 876 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 23: see our family a lie. I hope every night, when 877 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 23: you close your eyes, you see them eight faces, and 878 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,879 Speaker 23: I hope they hotch for the rest of your life. 879 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 6: Lisa, niece to Chris and kind of Roden goes next. 880 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 12: Growing up, our parents tell us monsters do not exist, 881 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,479 Speaker 12: but I had come to know that as a lie. 882 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 12: In my adult life. There are so many moments that 883 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 12: have made an impactful me greatly over the last eight 884 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 12: years six years. 885 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 21: Sorry, but a few. 886 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 12: Of this moments are very aful moments that I will 887 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 12: forever remember, vividly going into a funeral home and seeing 888 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 12: a caskets lying along the wall of our loved ones. 889 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:58,359 Speaker 12: Walking into that room with my family, hearing the streams 890 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 12: from my mother's, my aunt and my uncles while trying 891 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,919 Speaker 12: to hold him up because the leagus gave away. Six 892 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,320 Speaker 12: years and eight months later, we still had these unbearable 893 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 12: moments where we feel like we could just break, knowing 894 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 12: the callous way they. 895 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 23: Were taken from us. 896 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 12: Who would not only lose her mommy on April twenty seconds, 897 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 12: but she lost all of her immediate family, and then 898 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,800 Speaker 12: on November the thirteenth, twenty eighteen, she lost her dad's 899 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 12: side of her immediate family. Regardless of the monsters they are, 900 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 12: she still had a bond. The devastation it impact well forever, 901 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 12: way heavy on her for the rest of Hawaii. I've 902 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 12: tried to wrap my head around why my family was 903 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 12: given death sentences, but nothing will justify the why. My 904 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 12: cousin Hanname was given a death sent because she was 905 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 12: a strong old mother who wanted to raise your daughter 906 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,760 Speaker 12: and continue to grow her family outside the Wagner's control. 907 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 12: My cousin Jared Dannah Hazel, little Chris, and I hate 908 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 12: name him, I was given a dossance for just simply 909 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:28,280 Speaker 12: being there. My cousin Frank, my uncle Chris Michael Kenneth 910 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 12: were given adescence for being the protectors of our family. 911 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 23: No man justice. 912 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 12: Given in this court will come close to what is deserved. 913 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 12: But this man deserves nothing less than to spend the 914 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 12: rest of his life in prison. 915 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 6: Tony Rowden, brother of Chris Sior and Kenneth Roden, speaks 916 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 6: last by reading a statement from his mother, Geneva Rodin. 917 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 21: George Wadener, you or He'll breathing on two signs are 918 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 21: not breathing. My grandchildren. 919 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 14: Are not breathing. 920 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 21: They are all children left behind. I'd just like to 921 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 21: see some justice. 922 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 5: Thank you. 923 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 26: Jong. 924 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 6: With all of the impact statements heard, Judge Randy Dearing 925 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 6: addresses the court. 926 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 10: Mister Wagner, is there any reason that you want to 927 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 10: state is the white sentence should not be pronounced and 928 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,760 Speaker 10: imposed immediate? 929 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,439 Speaker 5: Yeah? 930 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 8: Is there anything that you wish to say on your 931 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 8: own behalf or any information you wish to provide and mitigation? 932 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 6: The judge then prepares to hand down the sentence. 933 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 8: First of all, no sentence that the court man posed 934 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 8: in this case would right the wrong that has been 935 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 8: inflicted upon the victous and the families. Murder is a 936 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 8: is an irreversible act. The Court does find that these 937 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 8: murders do constitute the worst form of the offense, and 938 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,360 Speaker 8: the Court quite frankly finds that defendate has shown no remorse, 939 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 8: just denial. The courts considered all of these facts, is 940 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 8: the course required to consider and is ready to impose sentence. 941 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 10: So, mister Wagner, and I ask you to stand. 942 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 6: George Wagner stands home. 943 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 32: Count one of the indictment for the offensive aggravated murder 944 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 32: in violation Section two nine zero three point oh one 945 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 32: A of the Revised Code, the victim of that offense 946 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 32: being Kenneth Roden. The court by sentences you to serve 947 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 32: a mandatory term of life imprisonment without parole. 948 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 6: George Wagner is sentenced to life in prison without parole 949 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 6: for all eight aggravated murder charges. Judge Jeering then hands 950 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 6: down sentences for fourteen additional counts. 951 00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 8: The aggregate of this sentence is eighth consecutive terms of 952 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 8: life imprisonment without parole plus. 953 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 9: One hundred and twenty one years. 954 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 8: Eighty one years of which are mandatory anything for if 955 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 8: not done yard journey. 956 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 6: The final few charges can be served concurrently, but in 957 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 6: the end the full sentence is for eight consecutive life 958 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 6: sentences in prison plus one hundred and twenty one years 959 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 6: in prison, to be served consecutively. The prosecution agrees with 960 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:30,760 Speaker 6: the sentence. 961 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 33: We're satisfied with it. The most important thing was getting 962 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 33: those eight life without paroles. George Wagner, the fourth will 963 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 33: never be in a position to hurt anyone ever again. 964 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 33: I'm just happy for a family that they got to 965 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,400 Speaker 33: see this. They actually got some justice. 966 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 6: At this point, George Wagner could file an appeal. Jake 967 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 6: Wagner is serving life without parole. Angela Wagner is sentenced 968 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 6: to be in prison until she is eighty years old. 969 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,320 Speaker 6: Billy Wagner is next to go to trial for the murders. 970 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 5: Now all eyes are on Billy Wagner, the dad who 971 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 5: faces the same charges that George faced. 972 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 32: Billy's trial is still expected to happen at some point 973 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 32: next year. 974 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 24: You's been such a long, awful road for you all. 975 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 16: I'm sure you're feeling a lot of emotions, but can 976 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 16: you give us any sense of what you're feeling just 977 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 16: right now? 978 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 19: A little bit of peace. We still have a long 979 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 19: road to go. We'll get there. It's we are family. 980 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,600 Speaker 14: Are that this is now put russure on Billy to 981 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 14: complete guilty. 982 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 12: We can only hope. 983 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 6: As the season comes to a close, we felt it 984 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 6: was important to have one of the Rodent family members 985 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,919 Speaker 6: have the last word. On December nineteenth, twenty twenty two, 986 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 6: Chris Senior and Kenneth's brother Tony Roden made a statement 987 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 6: in court. His words remind us of the strength, love 988 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 6: and loyalty that encompasses not just the victim, but those 989 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,480 Speaker 6: they left behind. 990 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 21: I lost two brothers, Chris Rodin Senor Kenneth Roden. I 991 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 21: also lost a niece, Anna Rodin. Also lost two nephews, 992 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 21: Frankie Rodin, Chris Rodin Julie. I also lost a cousin, 993 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 21: Gary Rogan. I also lost a sister in law, Daniel 994 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:33,760 Speaker 21: Roaden Manon. I also lost my nephew, Frankie's fiance, Hannah 995 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 21: Hazel Guilty. I have so many memories of my brother 996 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 21: Chris that I wish I could put them all down 997 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 21: on paper, so whoever hears this today could see through 998 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 21: my memories how my brother Chris really was carrier, gracious, 999 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 21: loving family man and come. My brother Kenneth, my mom's son. 1000 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 21: As a young boy, he would always hang out with 1001 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 21: me and my other brothers, Chris, Stephen, and Brady. Loved 1002 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 21: old cars and old trucks. 1003 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 14: Even at a young. 1004 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 21: Loved his family and he always showed it. When he married, 1005 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 21: he adopted two kids, loved him as his own. My 1006 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 21: cousin Gary, my mom's nephew. He would always help people. 1007 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 21: I would be working with him, we would stop at 1008 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 21: store to get something to drink. I'd say, Gary, go 1009 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 21: in and get us something to drink, and he would, 1010 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 21: but he also bought lottery tickets out of my money. 1011 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 21: Loved his family. His life cut short by selfie shacks 1012 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 21: of other My sister in law, damn, my mom's daughter 1013 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 21: in law always spoke her mind. She would come to 1014 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 21: my house and tell me what I needed to do 1015 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 21: at my own house. When she walked in a room 1016 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 21: with other people in it, she would always have people laughing. 1017 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 21: She loved people, and it showed she loved her family, 1018 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 21: would do anything for them. Her life cut short by 1019 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 21: selfish acts of others. On November the thirteenth, twenty and eighteen, 1020 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 21: there was an arrest in the murders of my family. 1021 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 21: The same year, around Christmas time, my sister woman played 1022 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 21: phone pad back and forth trying to get the authorities 1023 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 21: to let and spend Christmas dinner at our family. So 1024 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 21: it happened, and all the kids just loved them. And 1025 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 21: at this Christmas dinner or Mom was handing out presents 1026 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 21: to her younger grandchildren and her great grandchildren. Pictures were 1027 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 21: being taken and then his name is called. He walks 1028 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,320 Speaker 21: up to Mom. She puts him on her lap. She 1029 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 21: hands him the present pictures are taking she puts him 1030 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 21: down and gives him a hug. I am sitting in 1031 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 21: the kitchen crying as I watched. There's no relation to 1032 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 21: our family, but he is the defendant's son. True love. 1033 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 21: That's what was showed that Christmas dinner. It was embedded 1034 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 21: by our mom to all of her kids. We all 1035 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 21: have it in us. Chris taught it to his kids, 1036 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 21: it showed Kenneth thought it to his and it still 1037 00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,959 Speaker 21: shows true love. 1038 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 6: For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow 1039 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 6: us on Instagram at kat Underscore Studios. Now that the 1040 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 6: Pikedon massacre has come to an end this season, Kati 1041 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 6: Studios invites you to experience our new podcast, Death Island. 1042 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 34: Just a few miles off the Thailand coast, The island 1043 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 34: of Koto looks like a postcard. 1044 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 5: It's almost like if you were going to imagine a 1045 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 5: paradise island, you'll draw a picture of one. That's what 1046 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 5: Kotao looks like. 1047 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 6: Young tourists from all over the world visit the pristine 1048 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 6: beaches and crystal clear water. 1049 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 34: Right underneath the surface lies something sinister. 1050 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 6: In the last two decades, dozens of tourists have died 1051 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 6: mysteriously on the island. 1052 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: A dark cloud who's come over the island and cast 1053 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: its death, mystery and danger. 1054 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 34: I'm journalist Connor Powell. Even while making this podcast, another 1055 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 34: death on the island just happened. One thing is certain 1056 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 34: in this beautiful place, no coast is clear. This is 1057 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:20,560 Speaker 34: Death Island. 1058 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 16: That's like murdering someone in Time Square and saying there's 1059 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 16: no witnesses. 1060 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 34: A production of KT Studios and iHeartRadio. Listen to Death 1061 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 34: Island every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 1062 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 34: wherever you get your podcasts. 1063 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 6: The Pikedon Masker is produced by Stephanie Leidecker, Jeff Shane, 1064 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 6: Chris Cacaro, Andrew Arnow, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. 1065 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 6: Editing and sound designed by Jeff Tis. Music by Jared Aston. 1066 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,960 Speaker 6: The Pikedon Masker is a production of iHeartRadio and KAT Studios. 1067 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 6: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the I Hear 1068 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 6: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 1069 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,600 Speaker 6: favorite shows.