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Speaker 1: So introduce yourself like I'm blah blah blah. Say whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. Nick.

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Speaker 2: That's the.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Player Second Act Podcast. I'm Peanut Tuman.

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Speaker 1: This is my guy room. I get him off guard

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Speaker 1: every single time with that what's up manby? What's up man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good man. Hey, all of our listeners and viewers

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Speaker 1: a friend to tell a friend to tell a friend.

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Speaker 1: Pe Nut, who's our guest today? We got a goodie.

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Speaker 1: His his bio is pretty long, so for forgiving me.

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Speaker 1: I have so is beer. But uh, let's just cut it.

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Speaker 2: A first round pick by the Jets in two thousand

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Speaker 1: Out of the Ohio state.

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Speaker 2: Out of the Ohio state. I don't know why we

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Speaker 2: got to say thee, but he's from the Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: It's on their diploma. Time played eleven years at center

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Speaker 1: He's two time first team All Pro, seven time Pro Bowler.

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Speaker 1: Inducted into the Jets Ring of Honor twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: He has a podcast, he's a youth football coach, and

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Speaker 1: he's in the barbecue sauce business. Ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 1: welcome number one in your hearts, number one in your programs,

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Speaker 1: Nick Man, go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, it makes probably one of the easiest

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Speaker 1: coolest guys we've probably ever had on this podcast to

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Speaker 1: talk to. You're clearly your shirts a vibe. You are

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Speaker 1: a vibe feeling. You're coming in with your hat. It's

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Speaker 1: the fresh prince. Sure, I love that, say we all

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Speaker 1: He is older. You're older than me though, and he's

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Speaker 1: You're just so easy now I do. Because we mentioned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was one of those things I was saying, somebody,

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Speaker 2: And then I started at linebacker and then they moved

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Speaker 1: So how was it? So you talked about cracking a

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Speaker 2: Now? See, it's a little different for the college Hall

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Speaker 1: That is awesome. So I want Super Bowl with Malcolm.

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Speaker 2: What we do? Easy? That was great Ohio State and

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Speaker 2: It's like, fine, it's easy, it's easy. I know.

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Speaker 1: all one hundred and seventy one games you ever played.

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Speaker 1: Is there something in the water with you New York Jets,

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Speaker 1: Because that's the same thing as the Brickish the Brick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely something that I took pride in, but

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Speaker 2: You know, Brick and I coming in together six the

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Speaker 1: Number One, I gotta tell you, I've never heard, but

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Speaker 1: Having dancing shoes as an old lineman, not saying you

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Speaker 1: Nobody, especially at that point in time. So I'm gonna read.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read something. So since was it Pro football focus?

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Speaker 1: This is this is where you rank since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six, fourth second, first, first, first first, six, twenty first, first, eighteen,

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Speaker 2: What does that? How does that resonate with you? I

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Speaker 1: Twenty fist.

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Speaker 2: Good. I blame them. I think their stats were off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was like that's dope, man, Like

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Speaker 1: they take stats with Lineman. They don't tell you. I

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Speaker 2: I'm not banging on PF. But like when you talk

433
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 2: it's especially in the Hall of Fame and you talk

434
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 2: about like wide receivers, yeah, talk about quarterbacks, and you

435
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: can look at stats physical status, like there aren't really

436
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: a ton of stats for offensive line that you can judge.

437
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: Even though now today if you look at like Joe

438
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: Nama stats compared to Aaron Rodgers stats to be like,

439
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 2: well fame like, that's that doesn't make any sense. So

440
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 2: like there is a grading curve to that.

441
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: I've never played for the Jets. I've only played against them.

442
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 1: I've never actually come to New York and played against

443
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 1: them either, So I don't understand the Jets.

444
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 2: I think we ever had Carolina.

445
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: I went to Carolina, yeah, and I was in the

446
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 1: same even when I was in New Orleans. I never

447
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: came up here. So tell me, get like, describe to

448
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: me what it's like to play for the Jets. Your

449
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: whole career to be considered one of the best of

450
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: all time for the Jets and like just their fans

451
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: and everything they mean, not only to you, but just

452
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, Like what is a Jets

453
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: fan Like.

454
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jets fan is very passionate and they're die hard

455
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: that they deserve a winner and they're they're yearning for

456
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: a winner, and so they say it's very difficult to

457
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 2: deal with the Jets fans. But Jets fans also recognize

458
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: people who are do put the work in and who

459
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: care about the team and try hard and you know,

460
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: really put their best effort. And that's that's something that

461
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: I think gets overlooked a lot of times because like

462
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 2: all the boot birds come out and like because they

463
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: they want the best and they want to see that

464
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: you're you're improving. I think as long as there's improvement,

465
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: they're happy with it. But it's when, you know, when

466
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: it seems like it's stagnant, that's when they get really upset.

467
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: But there it's usually between having a city with two teams.

468
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: It's always difficult big brother, little brother. They even split

469
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 2: it into I've heard it white collar, blue collar Giants

470
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: fans are like prim and proper and Jets fans are

471
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: the dirty trash that we have laying around, so it's

472
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: never heard that before. It's not between the two of them,

473
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: they get crazy. But then what's funny is the same

474
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: arguments that they'll have over between Jets and Giants they

475
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: have against Mets and Yankees.

476
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: YEA Rangers, and then an Island and the Devils they

477
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: have even though they're different teams, it's all the same arguments.

478
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: You guys are crazy. It takes me coming from the

479
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: outside to realize that you're all are just doing the

480
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: same argument. It's just different teams, just plugging, picking and pluggings.

481
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: But it is. They're diehard fans who are very passionate

482
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: and they're fantastic play for And it to me the

483
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: other side of it, which you know, we all experienced

484
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: nine to eleven differently, And you know, I was in

485
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 2: high school and so it was in Ohio and I

486
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: so I experienced a lot. It was much different than

487
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: anybody around here. And it hit me when we moved.

488
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: When we moved up here, at first it was like,

489
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: all right, you know the significance of it. You know,

490
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: the reading of the names in the morning. You know,

491
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: they don't have that on in Ohio, but nine to

492
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: eleven they're reading all the names of those who have passed.

493
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: And then we moved to Jersey and my kids are

494
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: going to school and there's a tree plan there and

495
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: we lost four people from the school in nine to eleven.

496
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: So hearing the stories and the experiences of people here

497
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: really give you a different perspective of things that they've

498
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: gone through. And so knowing the hardships and knowing, you know,

499
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: building the place back up as they did. You know,

500
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: Ad adds that fever of like, we do want to

501
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: get a winner because they deserve a winner.

502
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

503
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: right back. Tell me this, when did you know it

504
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: was time to retire? You played all these games, you

505
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: started all these games, you so successful. When did you know.

506
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: When they fired me?

507
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

508
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: I was really okay. So we've heard that answer before.

509
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: So I got hurt in twenty sixteen. I tore my

510
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: spring ligment, which seeing the doctor, I think the fancy

511
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: foot doctors in Carolina, I forget the yeah, and he's like, yeah,

512
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: I think this is the third one I've ever seen.

513
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: Well at least it's a real injury. Like I'm not

514
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: like them, just yeah, I feel I was like all right.

515
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: I feel better about that. So I started my rehab

516
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: and everything you got put on I r I was

517
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: in a cast for a while and then doing my rehab,

518
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: and the Jets released me. Uh while I was in Disney,

519
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: which stunt, but somewhere around like did they call? They

520
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: did call and tell me I was in Mexico at Epcot,

521
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: which was disappointed. Kind of ruined Disney for a lot. Yeah,

522
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: for sure. And they hate when I say that I

523
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: got fired because they're like, well, you were released. It

524
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: was like, isn't. So then I'm still doing the rehab

525
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get right and because in my

526
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: mind I'm a football player, that's what I do to

527
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: go and so you're an opportunity to visit down in Baltimore,

528
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: and so I went down there. It was the first

529
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: time I'd ever stepped into another team's facility I've been

530
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: to because I didn't take any trips for the draft.

531
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: I was like my roommate, a j Hawk, he was

532
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: criss crossing the country before and then I didn't get

533
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: one visit. I called my agently, Uh, what's going on?

534
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: I might not visiting anybody, and he's like, it's okay.

535
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: Like they have all your numbers and everything. It was

536
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: like all right, well, because again I don't think I'm

537
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: getting drafted because the things that are going on. So

538
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: it was weird for me, Like going into Baltimore and

539
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful fatility, like it was very nice, had

540
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: a nice sit down meeting with him and everything, and

541
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: I was on the train back and they were like

542
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: they low ball the offer. I was like, well, I'm

543
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: not healthy anyways. I still couldn't pass it physical, so

544
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to stay rehabit and let'll see where it

545
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: gets to. And it got to mandatory training, a mandatory minim, yeah,

546
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: mini camp, and my son at the time was in kindergarten.

547
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: I was still rehabing, but it was getting better, like

548
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: I was. I was right right around where it's like,

549
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: all right, I think I can really do stuff. I

550
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: was running and everything, and Baltimore came back with an

551
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: offer that matched kind of what I was thinking, and

552
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: so I was like, well, now it's out of the

553
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: abstract world of like, of course I still want to

554
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: play like I and now it's real. I sign my

555
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: name on the speech of paper. I got to be

556
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: there tomorrow and so then it like struck me, Well,

557
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: am I really that healthy? Do I really want to

558
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: do this? Yeah? Like am I am? I? Am I

559
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: going to give it my best because like is it do?

560
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: I need to find out and all that stuff, And

561
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: so at that point I was like, I'm gonna pass

562
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: because I don't. I still don't think it's quite right.

563
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm questioning. And then I go to my kids kindergarten

564
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: graduation and I'm going through and I was like, and

565
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: as I was thinking about more, it's like, I think

566
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: I'm done unless somebody comes and says like they're going

567
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: to give me ten million dollars to play. Yeah, I

568
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: was like, I think, I think I'm gonna enjoy the

569
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: summer with my kids, like this is gonna be my first.

570
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: Because I want to know. Did it ever come into

571
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: your mind where you're like, were you a nervous Like, well,

572
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: not so much as the injury, but like, am I

573
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: even the same player? Can I still perform?

574
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: No, because I've I think even now, I think I

575
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: could go out there and perform. Although I see some

576
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: of the guys I'm like, oh my god, you're huge.

577
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: So I think I'm messed up mentally that way that

578
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: like I have the utmost confidence in myself. It was

579
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: more the foot and then where I was in my

580
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: life and you know, seeing because then I was with

581
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: my kids more. I didn't have OTAs and everything, so

582
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: I was doing you know, mister dad stuff and then

583
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: having the prospect the summer and the crazy part for

584
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 2: me and I was waiting for it. Was a lot

585
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: of guys talk about when when they're done, they get

586
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: that moment like, oh I miss it, like I want

587
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: to get back in whether that's OTA's menator, mini camp started,

588
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: training camp started the season. Somewhere along there they were,

589
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: it hits them like I'd rather I want to be

590
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: back out there, and I never got that. So I

591
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: fell out a peace with where it was. That's what's up.

592
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: So twenty nineteen, you went back and you got your

593
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: degree from the university. Getting better today, Peanut Ohio say,

594
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: so we're all getting better. I'm trying.

595
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to have to be a big step.

596
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure respect.

597
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: What was the idea of going back to get that degree?

598
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: And what did you get your degree in? Okay, So

599
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: my degree is a funny one because I started out

600
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: in architecture, found out that architecture and football do not mix.

601
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: You ain't got time. So I switched to business from

602
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: a major, and because I had decent grades through my

603
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: freshman year, I was able to pre enroll. They're like, well,

604
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: you need to pick a minor. They were like, you know,

605
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: especially in your business, and so I was just I

606
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: had no idea what I'm doing. So I looked down

607
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: the list. I saw the one that had management on it.

608
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll do that one, So sign me

609
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: up for that one. I signed up for operations management,

610
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: which is inventory and supply chain. I was like, this

611
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: is the most boring business I could ever go for.

612
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm learn about you too much of a people person. Yeah,

613
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: I was just well because I was I was a freshman.

614
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: I had no idea what I was doing. And they

615
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: were just like, here, you got to pick one. And

616
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: I was like, well, management sounds good. I like to

617
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: be in charge. Yeah, I'll do that one. It was

618
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: operations management. So it's all about the first in, last out,

619
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: last d in, last day. It was a whole big thing.

620
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: So I went through my whole college career of doing

621
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: stupid images.

622
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: It looks like some stuck You're like the conbound system

623
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: is still in there.

624
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: It's in there. And so I I had five classes

625
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: of my senior year in the house state was still

626
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: on the quarter system at the time, and I had

627
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: to pass. Four of them were core business classes, and

628
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: one of them was an old physics series that I

629
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: had to finish because I took architecture and it was

630
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: an elevated series, so I had to go back and

631
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: finish this physics. So I was like, I can get

632
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: a D. D get you a degree, and so uh

633
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: they do. So I was like, I'll just go to

634
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: the midterm in the final, that's all I need. And

635
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: so I did that. The midterm I got like a

636
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: C or something. It was like that perfect, It's even

637
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: better on the way. On the way, I can get it,

638
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: and I can get a D and I'll even might

639
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: even get a C. So I go to the class

640
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: before the final just to get like, hey, maybe they'll

641
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: give out some notes and you know, give me a

642
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: couple of heads up. Professor goes, all right, take out

643
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: your pens and paper for our quiz. I was like,

644
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: quiz what quiz? The guy sitting next to me goes, yeah,

645
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: we've been doing this all quarter. I was like, so

646
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: I go up to the fessor. I was like, yeah,

647
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know there was I didn't see that on syllabus,

648
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, is there anything I do? Make up

649
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: work and I retake the quizzes like anything. He goes, no,

650
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: you missed every quiz so you could get a hundred

651
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: on the final and you'll still fail. Like ah, you

652
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: gotta be kidding me. So then I was like, all right,

653
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm not getting my degree, and so I just let

654
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: it go for a while. And then after a while

655
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: I was like, it's just one class, that's all I

656
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: got to take and everything. But then I started having kids.

657
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: When you start having kids, I don't want to waste time.

658
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: You don't have classes and everything. So it just kind

659
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: of elongated. And then because of a accounting glitch of

660
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: some sort, they switched the semesters and change some of

661
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: the grade requirements in hours and everything courses on the

662
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: new format. I had enough to graduate. Oh so bam,

663
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I was done. Didn't have to take the class. So

664
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: that's how you got You got your agree that's a

665
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: long story. He's like, you got it. I had the

666
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: whole time.

667
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. So that was a great

668
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: So how did how did did they call you?

669
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: Yet? You know, they called me and they're like, hey, Nick,

670
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: we just realized, like because we were going to hound

671
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 2: you about taking this class, that you actually have all

672
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: the credits you need you get your cap and gown. Yeah,

673
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: so you just need to fill out this paperwork since

674
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: you want to graduate and spread today.

675
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: This is a great feel good story. Yeah down, you know, no,

676
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: no walk, No, Yeah, I had to go back. I

677
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: went back and got mine. I literally I went back

678
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: two years two thousand and eight. My wife, who I

679
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: was not we were just friends at the time. She

680
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: was charging me to do a couple of my classes.

681
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate that baby shout out. And she was charging me

682
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: premium prices because she knew I was in the league already.

683
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: So she was like, hey, you know, we got this class.

684
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: And then I'm like nah, and he's like, well, I

685
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: did it for you, but it's going to cost you

686
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: like two hundred and fifty dollars and I'm like, all right,

687
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: I got you, so so handling all that and then

688
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: so I actually did go back and walk and I

689
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: literally finished my degree and gave the diploma to my

690
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: mom and she was the only reason I went back

691
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: for it because I promised her I would do it.

692
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: And I think it is something to be said about that.

693
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: And you can look back at your kids and say, hey,

694
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: I got mine.

695
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: I got mine. They don't need to know. Yeah, you

696
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: know what, they don't need to know the details did find.

697
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: So that was a big story out of the pass

698
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: off season with Sauce Gardner. So he went back and

699
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: finished his degree and I was talking to him about

700
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: that and why he did it, and he was saying

701
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: it was like for my mom, Like, yeah, she she

702
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: wanted me to do it. It's something I promised I

703
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: would do, and so I went back and did it.

704
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's also kind of really cool when you

705
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: go back on campus when you're in the league and

706
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: like you're kind of that guy.

707
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Like a little bit.

708
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no doubt I had to top bends. Ye

709
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: shout out.

710
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: It was great. Now.

711
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: I want to know how you got into the barbecue

712
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: business with Mangal seventy four Barbecue, and we can kind

713
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: of talk about some of the different flavors. I wrote

714
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: them all down if you don't if you don't mind

715
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: me sharing. So, I mean, you got the O g

716
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: shout out to your oldest son, your original son, the spicy,

717
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: your second son.

718
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's his koinnd of his attitude. Yes, so

719
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: he's a carbon copy of my oldest son. He's just

720
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: still a firecracker. Yeah, that's what That's what I read

721
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: about that.

722
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: And then you got the honey barbecue hasn't come out

723
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: yet because I can't. So these are all your own

724
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: flavors that you put them together.

725
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: So the first two are out, the og and the spicy.

726
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: The other two for my girls are still The one

727
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: is done and the one is still in development because

728
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: I can't get the honey barbecue to be not too sweet.

729
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: It always comes out too sweet and you got cut

730
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: it with something you got trying to figure that out

731
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: enough honey flavor, Like, I want more of that honey flavor,

732
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: but I don't want to make it too sweet. So

733
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: I'm struggling with that a little bit. But the the

734
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: other one that is the apple sider vinegar won that's

735
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: like a Carolina style. Yeah, that's where my baby she

736
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: was born in the fall, so apple side her.

737
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: So how'd you get into it?

738
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: Started? When my first son was born. I wanted to

739
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: help out around the house, right, And I didn't want

740
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: to do anything crazy difficult, so I said I would

741
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: help cook, And so I started doing a lot of

742
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: the cooking around the house. And it's transitioned now that

743
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: I probably do like ninety percent of the cooking. My

744
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: wife does breakfast in the morning before school, and then

745
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: after that I handled the rest of like all dinners.

746
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: And so I started cooking, and I was really enjoyed

747
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: cooking and doing everything, Like you know, any cuisine you

748
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: name it, I'm trying to make it. And then there's

749
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen. I want to say Ron Heller, who

750
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: played in the seventies and eighties from Strong Island. He

751
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: came as an assistant offensive line coach for US, and

752
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: he is a barbecue He's a certified barbecue judge and

753
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: he takes his barbecue seriously. So he gets me into

754
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: barbecuing because I've always liked barbecue me. But I was like,

755
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing, especially like a brisket.

756
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: Like a brisket, you got to take the time with that,

757
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: and you got to do it. If you like a judge,

758
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: like these guys, do not play about this. You got

759
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: the injection the trimming, the bar getting all the bark,

760
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: the burning around, the smoke ring, like there's a lot

761
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: to it. So he he actually came over and he

762
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: basically like held my hand and did a whole brisket

763
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: with me from start to finish, which was amazing. So

764
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: then I'm doing pork butts, I'm doing the ribs, doing

765
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: the chicken, and I'm going through this and making all

766
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: the stuff and doing what I like to believe pretty good,

767
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: like good eats, and I'm buying barbecue sauce. And I

768
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I like cooking and I like barbecuing.

769
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: I bet I could make up my own barbecue sauce.

770
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: And so I was like, So I got into the

771
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: lab and I was looking at recipes and everything and

772
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: taking a little bit from here and a little bit

773
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: from here, and kind of mixing and matching and came

774
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: up with my own sauce that I really enjoyed and

775
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: my wife really enjoyed it. And so I was like,

776
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: all right, like that's this is my barbecue sauce. And

777
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: I would use it for friends and family and like

778
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: that's and that's it. And everyone who would come over

779
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: be like, oh, this is great. Sauce, like, you know,

780
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: you did a great job, but you know, when you

781
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: cook something for somebody in front of them, they're just

782
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: trying to be nice? Are they trying to be nice?

783
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: Like are they like they're not going to be like,

784
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: well this is trash, don't don't send me home with extras.

785
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: So you never really know. So after I was done

786
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: playing twenty nineteen rolls around, I'm talking about my partner.

787
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: I was like, he's like, what do you want to do?

788
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: And it was my marketing guy and partner, and he like,

789
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: what do you want to do? And I was like,

790
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm I like having I'm playing

791
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: mister mom for my four kids and stay at home dad,

792
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: like I run them around and everything. And we had

793
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: little kids or o kids were really little at the time,

794
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: and I was like, it was like, I don't know,

795
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: I've never created something. It would be fun to create something.

796
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: I've created four kids and that's it. That's all I got.

797
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: That's all I got.

798
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: So then he's like, what about the barbecue sace? So

799
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: it was like, well, I did create that. He goes,

800
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: why don't we try to sell that? I was like,

801
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: because I don't know, how to. I was like, do

802
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: you know how to? And he's like, no, I don't

803
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: know how too. So it was like, well, then we'll

804
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: do this adventure together. So we started from there. I've

805
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: learned a lot along the way of you walk down

806
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: that aisle and you see all those barbecue sauces and

807
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: each individual bottled. The effort that goes into each one

808
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: of those is absurd. And so we went through the process,

809
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: got it, bottled it up, and luckily for us, the

810
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: first line of production came off March twenty third, twenty twenty.

811
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: If you recall what happened March twenty third, like.

812
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: That didn't sound like it was not a good time

813
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: that it was horrible, like a good time on thatside

814
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: looking at it, Okay, looking back on it.

815
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: So now I got all this barbecue sauce that I

816
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: want to give to people, and you can't see anybody,

817
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: especially up here in the New York area. So we

818
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: kind of counted that as our soft open and and

819
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: COVID really did hurt a lot of the little people

820
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: because because even as we're coming out of it, so

821
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: we all got hit with the supply chain issues and

822
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: everything more expensive and local distributors aren't taking on little

823
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: projects because they want to make sure that they have

824
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: their mainstay. As long as Hines is still producing, we

825
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: know that they're good. This little producer. They might get stuck,

826
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: not be able to get their jars in or something,

827
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: so no one's taken on. So right now we have

828
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: online sales. We I'm the distributor for the most part.

829
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: We have a couple of stores locally that carry it.

830
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: We have a barbecue pulled pork sandwich in the stadium

831
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: for Jets games, which is kretty cool. I got a

832
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: couple of restaurants that serve it on their menu. The

833
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: barbecue chicken wings is always the big hit, and it's

834
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun, and it's been it's a

835
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: neat passion project. There's no money to be made in sauce,

836
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: basically just on a treadmill, just going nowhere. But it

837
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: is fun and it's neat that it's correlating with my kids.

838
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: We also give a portion of the proceeds to Answer

839
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: the Call, which is charity here in New York City

840
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: that helps families of fallen first responders on the job.

841
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: And I've been with Answer to the Call now almost

842
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: ten years and they do amazing work. So the fact

843
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: that we're able to get back monetarily, not just lending

844
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: my beautiful smiling face, it has been pretty special for me. Yeah.

845
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: So has has your jury helped with anything in your

846
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: like operations management? Right? So the business side? Has it

847
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: helped with helping you run your barbecue sauce business? At all? Not?

848
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: At all? No clue it is because it's a It's

849
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: not we don't have a large enough volume to be like,

850
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: all right, well we had this inventory is turning over.

851
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: It's like when that inventory turns over, we have to

852
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: buy a new one and have that just keep pulling

853
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: from it. So it's not it's it's more of a

854
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: passion project than it is business. Well, now would you.

855
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: Distribute it to Charlotte, North Carolina? It's going to be

856
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: let up?

857
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: So your wife, being fan, have you thought about making

858
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: a sauce for her? No, mainly because I like the

859
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: kid aspect of it, because she likes the original like that,

860
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: and then she really likes the spicy, So I feel

861
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: like I can't make anything better than those two that

862
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: she's because she always liked the original. So it's like,

863
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: how do you that was always that was kind of

864
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: hers as well. Yeah, and it's just it folds the

865
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: I think working in the kids kind of it just.

866
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: Plays better, plays better. Yeah, all right, what's your favorite

867
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: food to grill? And also what's your grill setup look like?

868
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: Grill or smoke?

869
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh, because there's a big this is a huge difference.

870
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: For me, it's gonna be smoking chicken wings. See, I

871
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: don't like smoking chicken wings. No, No, it just cooks

872
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: so much more eviling for me.

873
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: But I need a crispy chicken wing.

874
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: Oh yea, that's true, and it's right, all right, go ahead,

875
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt.

876
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: No, it's quite right. So my favorite thing, and it's

877
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: always cliche, but a pork shoulder is the best thing

878
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: to do because it's so versatile. It's so juicy and delicious,

879
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: and you maybe when you inject it the night before

880
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: and everything, and you take your time with it with

881
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: the rub and it usually is pretty fool proof as

882
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: long as you know what you're doing and you have

883
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: the time to let it get to temp. You pull

884
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: that thing too early, it's not gonna go well. So

885
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: I've gotten to the point where like pulled pork is

886
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: not for dinner that night, like I will do a

887
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: pulled pork, knowing like, all right, we're gonna have this

888
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: later because if it doesn't, if it's not done at six,

889
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to rush it, and kids gotta

890
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: eat so so, but I pulled the pork shoulders is

891
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: probably my favorite, although ribs have come around big in

892
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: my household. My kids love ribs. It will destroy a

893
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: whole slab.

894
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I like the little baby, the little baby rib the riblets.

895
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: See, I'm a Saint Louis cut. I'm a Saint Louis

896
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: guy myself. I get it.

897
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: You guys up the North Man, I get it. I'm

898
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: just telling you. I'm not for everybody. I mean, well,

899
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: that's fine, actually I get I got in trouble. I

900
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: was doing Super Bowl rad to Row and I'm talking

901
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: with a couple of guys from Houston, the radio station

902
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: in Houston, and it was early on when I just

903
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: started the sauce, and they asked me like, well, what

904
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: kind of style is it? Is it Texas, Carolina? Is

905
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: it Memphis?

906
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: You know what? That is funny because barbecue is very

907
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: particularly the region, so and I didn't really know how

908
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: to answer them, so I was like, well, you know,

909
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: I kind of it doesn't really have a direct like

910
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: location because I pulled from a lot of different things,

911
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of so you own unique flavor.

912
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's barbecue sauce. You taste, you like, that's

913
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: barbecue sauce. But you can't say, like, well that's Carolina,

914
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Like you can't pinpoint it. So then I was like, so,

915
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of I don't know. I guess

916
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: it's like New Jersey barbecue sauce. And they both like went,

917
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: don't you ever.

918
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: This stuff's made New York City, New Jersey. That's exactly

919
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: what New York City.

920
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: Maybe I won't tell you so, but that gave me

921
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: a good story out of it. So, but it is,

922
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: it's a unique flavor that you've never had before, but

923
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: you know it's barbecue.

924
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: Okay. One of the questions that we ask all our

925
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: people on the show is Mount Rushmore question for people

926
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: that have had some type of an influence on your life, career, whatever, coach, mom, dad, cousin, jesus, anybody.

927
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: So who do you who would you put on your

928
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore? So it's gotta be my mom to begin

929
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: with because she's the one that said, you have to

930
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: play a sport every season, doesn't matter what sport, but

931
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: you have to play sport. I think that helped me

932
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: be well rounded and so the work ethic in me

933
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: and and everything. So that was huge. My wife because

934
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: we started dating in high school, so she's been through

935
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: college and the NFL with me, and she go to

936
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State as well. Oh you okay, Athens the Bobcats,

937
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: which was awesome because I had the factory that was

938
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: the Ohio State University for football uh huh. And then

939
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: I could go down to Athens on the weekend and

940
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: get the college experience where it's just a college town.

941
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: It's so different than Columbus, so different, and I don't

942
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: think people understand that you have a huge university in Columbus,

943
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: the Ohio State.

944
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're in the downtown. It's like a city.

945
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: You don't really have that same feeld of like walking

946
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: you know to like High Street and is not the

947
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 2: same thing as Court Street. I still got it, not

948
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: today CT. So it's like there was such a different

949
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: feeling and like that was awesome to be able to

950
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: get like have an escape too. So that worked and

951
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: so Uh, my wife. I mean she she took care

952
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: of the house and took care of the kids and

953
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: did everything so I didn't have to worry about it

954
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: through my career. Like she she made sure everything was

955
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: running and all I had to do was focus on

956
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: what I need to do. And then I would say,

957
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: probably this is this is where it gets tough because

958
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: now you're in the coaches and players.

959
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: You only got two I know, and I only got.

960
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: Two, so like high and wisely, it is difficult. So

961
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Alan Fanica being the third because

962
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: he was when he came in the Jets, his daughter

963
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: was three at the time. I want to say something

964
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: like that. So he showed me not only how to

965
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: take care of himself, how to take care of the

966
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: football player and how did they do that, but also

967
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: how to be a father and parent in the NFL

968
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: and a husband, and so he was a shining example

969
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: of you know, he made a point because I asked

970
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: him one time. I was like, you know, how much

971
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: film do you watch a home? How do you not

972
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: watch film at home? Because because when I get home,

973
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm dad. They go, if I need to do work,

974
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: I do it here, and if it means I got

975
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: to stay an hour later here to get all my

976
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: work done. I get my work done, but I don't

977
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: bring it home because at that point I'm just daddy.

978
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: That's that's wise advice. I like that. So he helped,

979
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: you know, not only professionally but also personally. So that

980
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 2: was that's cool. That's a good one. And then it's

981
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: a toss up. I got two candidates going here. So

982
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: I have my offensive line coach from college, Jim Bowman,

983
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: and my offensive line coach Jets Bill Callahan, both great options.

984
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: I think as much as I want to go with Bill,

985
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: I'll have to go with Bowlman, just because he was

986
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: the one who laid like the groundwork of how I

987
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: needed to look at myself as a player. He because

988
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't never the strongest in the weight room. I

989
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: could squad a ton, but I can never really bench

990
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: that much. And and one of those things that he

991
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: told me was like, don't ever because there was guys

992
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: like I was following up the Charles Bentley. Yeah he's

993
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: a mass, massive human. Yea, I was too. I did

994
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: a recruiting visit he was working out. I was like, yeah,

995
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm not going to make this happen.

996
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: I can't do that. And so he sat me down

997
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: and was like, listen, don't ever compare yourself to any

998
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: of the other guys as pare yourself to yourself. As

999
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: long as you're improving, that's what I want to see.

1000
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, that's that's good. And his

1001
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: other advice that helped me, I think throughout my career.

1002
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: I was saying, you know, football is like a roller coaster.

1003
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: A game is like a roller coaster. You have the

1004
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: highs and you have the lows, and it, you know,

1005
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: dips and ebbs and flows and everything and twists and turns.

1006
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: He goes, if you want to be truly great, make

1007
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: that roller coaster flat. Don't let the highs get you

1008
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: too high, don't let the lows get you too low.

1009
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: Just even you move on to the next play, whether good, bad, indifferent,

1010
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: just flatten out that roller coaster, all right. So I

1011
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: kept with that, like I never yeah, I mean I

1012
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: got excited touchdown what you're saying. But like if I

1013
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: had a great block, then it was like, all right,

1014
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: well I still got to do it again. Or if

1015
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: I got beat, you're able to hit the reset button. Yeah,

1016
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: and it was like this and that's in the past.

1017
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: We win the next one.

1018
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good job man. Well I appreciate this. Man.

1019
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: You've been really good. Nick. I knew within the first

1020
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: three seconds when we talked and met you outside this

1021
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be a good one. And so you wear

1022
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: your attitude and your great personality on your sleeves and

1023
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: in your shirts.

1024
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you, man. Thanks for blessings with your time. Roback.

1025
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Great shirts. Yeah, man, they're breatheable too, They're breathe will, lightweight,

1026
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: q zips, sweatproof hoodies, polos. Yeah, a lot of people

1027
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: wearing them right now that we're hot, and I have

1028
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: so many I have an addiction. Really. Oh yeah, I

1029
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: just keep buying them. No, minnymore, I think you're good. No, No,

1030
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I keep trying to like, hey, because

1031
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: you're tried.

1032
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: Now you got.

1033
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: Call me. You probably won't get if you keep winking

1034
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: at him. You never know, You never know, all right, man?

1035
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: Well, look man, thank you as always Nick and uh

1036
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: and also for all of our listeners and viewers out there,

1037
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Always tune in wherever you can

1038
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1039
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1043
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1044
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1045
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600
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1046
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: Nick, thanks for coming on the show. Thank you.

1047
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,000
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1048
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