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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Steve Drisen.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to tell you about an Idaho man

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Speaker 1: named Chris Tap. Chris was just twenty years old when

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Speaker 1: he endured a mind bending, twenty five hour interrogation that

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Speaker 1: transformed him from an innocent into a confessed murderer. Fortunately

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Speaker 1: for Chris, he found an indomitable champion in the victim's mother.

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Speaker 1: She convinced police to use a revolutionary new method of

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Speaker 1: DNA identification to exonerate Chris Tap and find her own

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Speaker 1: daughter's killer.

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Speaker 2: There are certain special people you meet in your life,

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Speaker 2: people that I like to say are more evolved than

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Speaker 2: the rest of us, people that really inspire you. And

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Speaker 2: Carol Dodge is one of those people. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the few times in my career as a lawyer where

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Speaker 2: someone from the victimim's family has asked me to investigate

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Speaker 2: an injustice and for a crime victim who was so

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Speaker 2: invested in Chris's guilt that she wanted him to get

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Speaker 2: the death penalty, to evolve to a place where she

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Speaker 2: was thinking he might be innocent. That just blew me away.

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Speaker 2: How was it that a lay person could look at

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Speaker 2: these interrogation tapes and see all of the problems, all

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Speaker 2: of the coercion, all of the leading questions, all of

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Speaker 2: the fact feeding when law enforcement officers on the Idaho

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Speaker 2: Falls Police Department couldn't see it themselves.

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Speaker 1: And it shows that wrongful convictions affect more than just

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Speaker 1: the defendants. It's also the victim's families, the survivors of

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Speaker 1: these horrible attacks, who are being fed aligne about an

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Speaker 1: innocent person being guilty.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't easy. She had help from a lot of

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Speaker 2: other people, but it was her persistence and her desire

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Speaker 2: for knowledge that ultimately changed the course of this case.

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Speaker 1: Kristap's story starts in Idaho Falls, a town of about

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people in southeastern Idaho, about two hours

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Speaker 1: north of Yellowstone National Park. Idaho Falls is a beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: There's mountains on the horizon and the Snake River cut

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Speaker 1: straight through town. Gorgeous though it may be, the town

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Speaker 1: was wrecked by terrible ugliness nearly twenty four years ago.

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Speaker 1: In June nineteen ninety six, Idaho Falls resident Angie Dodge

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Speaker 1: year before. A head of schedule with honors, and life

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Speaker 1: was just beginning for her. She was working two jobs,

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Speaker 1: taking a few classes at Idaho State becoming independent. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Angie had just recently moved into her first apartment, the

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Speaker 1: She'd found Angie Dodge lying face up on her bedroom floor,

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Speaker 1: half naked and clearly dead. Angie's head was against the

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Speaker 1: specked in blood. She'd been stabbed fourteen times and her

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Speaker 2: She was nearly decapitated. Most of the apartment was undisturbed,

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Speaker 2: so all of the activity between the assailant and Angie

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Speaker 2: took place in her bedroom. The crime scene did not

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Speaker 2: suggest a prolonged struggle. Angie was six feet tall, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, she would have been the kind of victim

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Speaker 2: quickly overwhelmed. But who would want to hurt Angie Dodge.

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Speaker 1: The police assured Angie's family, including her mom Carol, that

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Speaker 1: Angie's body yielded a full DNA profile, but police ran

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Speaker 1: The case stayed cold until January nineteen ninety seven, when

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Speaker 1: so instead police turned to his friend Chris Tap to

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Speaker 2: At the time, Chris was twenty years old, maybe a

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Speaker 2: year or two older than Angie. In fact, he and

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Speaker 1: This group of friends called themselves the river Rats crew,

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Speaker 1: Not only was Chris Tap a river rat, but one

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Speaker 1: Police decided to question Chris, and here come the interrogations,

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Speaker 1: not one, not two, but eventually nine of them, spread

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Speaker 1: five hours of questioning. The statements that police get ar chaotic, confused, jumbled,

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Speaker 1: wrongful conviction. It all began for Chris on Tuesday, January seventh.

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Speaker 1: The officer starts by asking Chris about Ben's possible role

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to be straight up and cheerful

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Speaker 3: with you. If I did anything know about this, I

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Speaker 1: But the police have an unsolved murder on their hands,

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Speaker 1: and Chris's possible knowledge about Ben Hobbs was the only

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Speaker 1: The deeper they get into the interview, the more police

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Speaker 1: up the pressure. They tell Chris that he has to

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Speaker 1: tell them something about Ben.

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Speaker 2: Now, this officer was not a stranger to Chris. He

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Speaker 2: his life. And one of the tactics this officer used

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Speaker 2: to help Chris to see him through this problem. I

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Speaker 4: Saying this, but kind of close to you. I've got

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Speaker 1: I could go out to do that, and the police

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Speaker 1: suggests that if Chris tells them something about Ben, then

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Speaker 1: they'd pull some strings, that even though he's getting dragged

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Speaker 1: into the investigation, they'd protect him. He wouldn't have anything

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Speaker 1: Chris continues to insist that he doesn't have anything to

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Speaker 1: But a few days later, on Friday, January tenth, the

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Speaker 1: police are back. They still suspect that Chris is withholding

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Speaker 1: information to protect his friend. They need more leverage, so

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Speaker 1: they give him a polygraph test and they tell him

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Speaker 2: It was extremely painful to watch because you see someone's

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Speaker 2: these two interrogators, primarily their friend, the school resource officer

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Speaker 1: They also tell Chris that by covering for his friend,

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Speaker 1: police start warning him that the law treats cover ups

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Speaker 1: the same as the crime. In other words, Chris Tap

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Speaker 1: is now facing the gas chamber.

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Speaker 3: Are you looking at it? The possibility getting charged with

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Speaker 3: the murder one which.

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Speaker 2: Max penalty is dead.

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Speaker 5: Middle A generally is life a person foot no row,

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Speaker 5: and save your time period.

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Speaker 2: You've got to save your mind. The thread of death

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Speaker 1: Chris is terrified, and so he starts to make things

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Speaker 1: from a death sentence. He tells a story in which

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Speaker 1: he'd heard Ben Hobbes admit to killing Angie, and the

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Speaker 1: cops eat it up. By now they can't wait to

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Speaker 1: take Ben down for rape and murder, with Chris as

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Speaker 1: the star member of their team.

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Speaker 2: The school resource officer tells Chris at one point that

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Speaker 2: he really wants Chris to help in nailing Ben Hobbes

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Speaker 2: so that he could drop kick Ben Hobbes through the goalposts.

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Speaker 1: Of life toxic masculinity, anybody, huh? Artifact detectives keep pushing

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Speaker 1: him hints about what they think happened. They tell Chris,

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Speaker 1: for example, that Angie had been stabbed with a knife.

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Speaker 1: Pretty soon Chris agrees and says he heard Ben describe

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Speaker 1: the DNA left on Angie's body might belong to Chris.

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Speaker 1: He says, I was never inside Angie's apartment. The police

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Speaker 1: him as an accessory who helped cover up Angie Dodge's murder.

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Speaker 2: And that threat or suggestion of the gas chamber. That's

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Speaker 1: To Chris pretty soon. The promise of help gets more

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Speaker 1: an immunity agreement. Under the deal, Chris would escape charges

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Speaker 1: if he provides information about who raped and killed Angie Dodge.

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Speaker 1: But it's got to be information that the police will believe,

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Speaker 1: In their words, get us up close. If he does that,

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Speaker 1: they suggest he can go home. They'll leave him alone

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Speaker 1: and we can help you. Now, Chris has no choice

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Speaker 1: but to tell lies, placing him inside Anngie's bedroom, and

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Speaker 1: further and further. By the very end, he agrees that

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Speaker 1: while Ben raped her.

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Speaker 2: That Angie dodge across the right breast with the knife is.

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Speaker 1: Even though Chris now has agreed to say he was

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Speaker 1: the police take Chris to Eye Street so he can

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Speaker 1: point out Angie's home and walk them through the crime scene,

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Speaker 1: but he can't even tell them which house she lived in.

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Speaker 2: This should have been a huge red flag to these officers.

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Speaker 2: He had previously told them that they won't find his

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Speaker 2: DNA there because he'd never been to Angie's apartment. But

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Speaker 2: they are stuck in the Chris Tap box and they

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Speaker 2: can't get out of it.

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Speaker 2: It's a problem we've seen in case after case. By

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Speaker 2: January eighteenth, the police have done DNA testing and the

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Speaker 2: results are back. Their DNA from the crime scene does

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Speaker 1: Carol sent the videotapes and Steve watched them all. He

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Speaker 2: Things were starting to congeal around the idea that Chris

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Speaker 1: What the team really needed was more forensic testing to

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Speaker 5: I'm the opinion editor of the Post Register in Idaho Falls,

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Speaker 1: Even the Innocence Project in New York had joined the fight,

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Speaker 5: An example of her tenacity you can actually see in

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Speaker 1: Eventually, prosecutors decide that they're not yet ready to exonerate Chris,

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Speaker 5: You see all the evidence stack up and it becomes

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Speaker 2: It was a bittersweet moment. Carol Dodge was relieved that

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Speaker 1: Usually, in these cases, the DNA profile eventually gets matched,

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Speaker 1: Brian Dripps had left Idaho Falls shortly after the killing.

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Speaker 5: Assuming Brian Drips is eventually convicted, she will have not

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Speaker 2: Slowly but surely, over many years, she was able to

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Speaker 3: Kerl Yeah, Hi, how are you today, Steve?

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Speaker 4: I'm really sad. I was just sitting here thinking with

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Speaker 3: It's so important that you say that people know. I

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Speaker 4: And I never allowed any of the authorities to tell me.

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Speaker 2: Now, for the time they.

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Speaker 4: Told me that something couldn't be done, I would just say,

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Speaker 3: There are things that your work is done which you

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Speaker 3: probably can't even see or appreciate yet, that I hope

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Speaker 3: gives you some comfort. It does. I love you.

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Speaker 4: I love you too, and thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Chris, it's Laura. How are you good, Laura, how

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Speaker 4: are you? I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about what you've been doing with your

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Speaker 1: time as a free man.

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Speaker 4: And I understand you've got a family.

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Speaker 3: I do. I have an amazing family with see. I

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Speaker 4: Little bit about what it's meant to you still have

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Speaker 4: Carol Dodge.

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Speaker 2: Sight for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh Caroll Dodge. I love her dearly more than most

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Speaker 3: people will ever know. The actual true killer of her.

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Speaker 2: Daughter would be caught and I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Have the exoneration it wasn't for Carroll Dodge.

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Speaker 2: Chris. It was a great honor for me to play

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Speaker 2: even a small role in your exoneration, and being in

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Speaker 2: that courtroom when you were finally cleared was one of

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Speaker 2: the highlights of my career. You've been given a gift

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Speaker 2: and I hope you take this gift and I know

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Speaker 2: you will, and that you live a life that is

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Speaker 2: honorable and worthy.

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Speaker 1: To Chris Tapp and Carol Dodge, two of our heroes.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for letting us share your story. And that's the

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Speaker 1: story of Chris Tapp. Next week, join us as we

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Speaker 1: bring you to Brooklyn, New York, where David McCallum and

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Speaker 1: Willie Stuckey were wrongfully convicted of murder. There are decades

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Speaker 1: long fight for justice drew support from one of the

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Speaker 1: most famous exonneries of all time, professional boxer Reuben Hurricane

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Speaker 1: Carter Till. Then thanks for listening to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions.

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Speaker 1: at Signal Company Number one. Executive producer Kevin Wardis Senior

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Speaker 1: producer and Pope and additional production and editing by Connor Hall.

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