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Speaker 1: here Buck. Some some sad news here in the football

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball. But the fact is, and and uh,

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Speaker 1: well some in the NFL flat out and embrace it.

430
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Speaker 1: But then um, uh, you know, the NFL pretends you

431
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: know that they haven't changed this out of the bologning.

432
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, the NFL has changed a lot more

433
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Speaker 1: than college has in the last ten years. And and uh,

434
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, just asked the New England Patriots and the

435
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles how it works, because um, um, you know,

436
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: thousand yards of offense and that well I've got I've

437
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: got filmed from Iowa Wesleyan College. That looks early similar

438
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots and

439
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: um and now they're filmed back when uh they have

440
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: different coaches and of course but um uh it doesn't

441
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: look anything like that Iowa Wesleyan film. I can tell

442
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Speaker 1: you that right now. Well, we've we've used up all

443
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Speaker 1: our time here. Coach. We thank you so much. It's

444
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: one of our favorite visits of the year. I get

445
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: a chance to talk shop with you. Whish of the

446
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: best of luck in the season. Head, Well, I appreciate

447
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: it's great to see you guys as we continue to

448
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: talk about Mike Leach's impact. Marita tweet from Danna Hoganson,

449
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: head coach from the University of Houston. Mike Leach was

450
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: more than an incredible, innovative, impactful, and successful in popular

451
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: football coach. He was all that as a husband to

452
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Speaker 1: Sharon and their kids, Johannine, Kimberly, Cody and Kirsten. Brilliant, thoughtful,

453
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: and kind mannered. He taught me so much in so

454
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Speaker 1: many different ways. Rest in peace, coach. Never gonna turn

455
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: and toss to a little conversation that we had the

456
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Speaker 1: following year twenty nineteen packed two media days when Mike

457
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: Leach was still at Washington State doing this thing with

458
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: the coopers, the coaches as as one of the founding

459
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Speaker 1: fathers of the air raid system. A lot of times

460
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Speaker 1: we hear people go visit UH, coaches go visit all

461
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: the schemes to try and figure out what they can learn.

462
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: But you've been so entrenched in your scheme and your

463
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: philosophy with the simplicity and the repetition. Why does the

464
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: simplicity and the repetition help your team consistently achieve on offense? Well,

465
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what everybody on offense is trying to

466
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Speaker 1: get accomplished, is UH is simplicity and then But but

467
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: the hardest thing is to make up your mind and

468
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: settle on what you're gonna do and making those choices

469
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: as hard because you know, there's good football plays all over.

470
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere has good, good football plays. We can

471
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: go to a junior high and there will be some

472
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: play there where we're just going, all, that's awesome, we

473
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: should run that, and and everybody's got that's awesome, we

474
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: should run that. And um So I think that the

475
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: hardest thing is to figure out what you're not gonna run.

476
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Speaker 1: And it's got to be a manageable, uh package, and

477
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Speaker 1: that it's got to fit your players to a point

478
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: or at least be a flexible enough package that you

479
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: can adjusted around you know, a variety of players and

480
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: and things like that. And you know, and the other

481
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: thing is is I think there's a difference between a

482
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: pile of plays or a stack of plays in an offense,

483
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: and offense is something that one play complements the next.

484
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Then there's a reason that it's there. There's a there's

485
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: a specific part of the field you expect to be

486
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: able to attack as a result of having that play

487
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: in there. And then also if you know, you know,

488
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: if the defense tries to stump you or comes up

489
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Speaker 1: with something, Okay, we're running this, all right, we're gonna

490
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: run that, We're running that. Okay, we're gonna run there,

491
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: you know. And so it should be diverse enough that

492
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: it provides answers for all that while being small enough

493
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: that you can wrap it and and really develop your

494
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: skills at it. But making those choices is one of

495
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: the most difficult things. I at least, you know, well,

496
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: game plan and we'll have all the plays on the board.

497
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: Then we spend the next three hours arguing about what

498
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: we're not going to run? How do you go? How

499
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: do you how do you make this isn't the cut?

500
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: Like like what leads you to make the cuts? That's hard?

501
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just hard. Way we've got a limit

502
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: on how many we're gonna go into a game with. Now,

503
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: what that's said, if something's not on the list, you

504
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: can most of it. You can just call you know,

505
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: call well, like if something is basic enough, you can

506
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: um just go back and call it, you know and say,

507
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: you know you've got some play and you're gonna do

508
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: it out of two by two. But then you just

509
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: said no, this is we want to do it out

510
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: of three by one. Here, Well you just breaking break

511
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: out three by one and off you go. You know, coach,

512
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: what is the phrase we hear a lot about offense.

513
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: It's it's a catch phrase. I've heard about your offense

514
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. We're hearing it more and more.

515
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: It's just throwing the grass, getting the grass, and throwing

516
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: to grass. For those that don't understand how you can

517
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: do that, It's not a straight line on a on

518
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: a on a piece of paper, but you're getting to

519
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: grass and getting open and find ways to make it work.

520
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. You're trying to create space

521
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: the offensively, you know, the lowest common denominator. What's offense

522
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: trying to do? Create space? What's defense trying to do?

523
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Limit space? I mean that's that's okay, So how do

524
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: you do it? Well, then how you do it? That's

525
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: the hard part. Then there's all these defenses to force

526
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: you to limit space and all these offenses to create

527
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: you space hopefully, but um, yeah, that's the thing. You're

528
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: trying to create grass and run to grass and um,

529
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: you know, and if you can put the ball in

530
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: the air as you're breaking to it, all the better

531
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, you get and then you get a run

532
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: farther with it after you catch it too. You know. Coach,

533
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: you've you've got some great quarterbacks. Some of those quarterbacks

534
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: have gone on to be coaches, and the kind of

535
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: thing they talk about is you've done a great job

536
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: eliminating all the verbiage, like trying to make it really

537
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: simple for the quarterback to kind of think in process. Well,

538
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: why do you think some coaches feel like you have

539
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: to put so many words into a play call when

540
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: all this can just make it very very simple. I

541
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: think sometimes that you know, everybody's been uh, you know,

542
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: one place to the next place to the next place.

543
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's head a riety of jobs. And then I think

544
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: that sometimes, uh is new staff get together, you know what,

545
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: we called it this, we called it that, And pretty

546
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: soon that list gets longer. And you'll see some of

547
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: these NFL playbooks and they just get bigger and bigger

548
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: and bigger and then um and you know, and I

549
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: think it's it's people trying to commingle good ideas, sometimes

550
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: effectively sometimes not. Um. And then so I think the

551
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: burbage grows as the playbook grows. And then and that

552
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: that is uh that that's a cheel, I mean, and

553
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: we do discuss, well, what can we play call this

554
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: play that's shorter? You know? Um, you know, we had

555
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: like uh oh, a long play call would be uh

556
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: and actually the signals pretty short, but uh, you know,

557
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: something like a blue Z move nWo PCP double wheel.

558
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, they got to shorten that. And we don't

559
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: even got one of those headphone things where we can

560
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: say it to the fella, you know. And um, but

561
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I think that um, yeah, you wanted to as clear

562
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: and as simple as you can. But I think too

563
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: many people you know, have been too many places and

564
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: then there and it's stuff for anybody to cut anything.

565
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: That's the hardest thing, like I say, and you just

566
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: gotta cut it. Coaching in college football and football in

567
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: general right now at NFL level, what's what's overrated? Oh?

568
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Uh college and you know what's overrated? Well, one thing

569
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: is they is I think a lot of times the

570
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: media things that you know that these football games or

571
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: an episode of uh Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner, they

572
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: think it's just a series of little traps, booby traps

573
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: and and oh you're a fool of that guy, and

574
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: wow we mashed the road Runner that they they advent.

575
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: It's not it's not just a bunch of tricks. I mean, uh,

576
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: good teams, it's always exitcution. It's always based on the

577
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: team that executes best is the best team. And so

578
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: it's always been a game of execution and um, and

579
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: so some people think it's uh, you know, it's a

580
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: series of tricks. As far as fooling somebody, Uh, then

581
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: you know there will be some game that you know

582
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: everybody likes or the next opponents really tough or something.

583
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: And sometimes there's a sense that there's some kind of

584
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: a private reserve that you haven't broken out, whether it's

585
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: scheme or some kind of effort or up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

586
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna risk losing these games because we're

587
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: gonna have this little storage and you know, we're we're

588
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna go half ast until we're gonna break it open

589
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: for this game. You know, I want to ask you

590
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: to to high school questions here. Um, we're always looking

591
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: in the scouting process, a lot of these guys have

592
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: played multiple sports, more and more so than haven't. Have

593
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: you ever in the process of recruiting somebody had the

594
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: deciding factor being and seeing them on a basketball quarter

595
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: maybe seeing him on a baseball fielder, Is there is

596
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: there another sport? You saw somebody do something he was

597
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: wrestling and said, okay, I want this guy based off

598
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: of sport other than football. Yeah, I would say so. Well,

599
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm generally what it does it is it kind of

600
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: enhances your opinion of them. But you know, great basketball,

601
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: quick first step, really good quickness, I mean that can

602
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: wrestlers always always have a good sense of leverage and

603
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: center of gravity. I'll tell you what I've had good

604
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: luck with, and there's not a ton of them. But

605
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: like Wes Welker was all state soccer. I had a

606
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: linebacker that was a played soccer. I had an offensive

607
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: lineman who actually actually years ago played for the Cardinals.

608
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: He was a soccer player. I've had great luck with soccer.

609
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: That's great well because and um the soccer guys um

610
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: are coordinated on both sides of their body. They can

611
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: come out of their cuts on either side and then

612
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: the other thing. Like I I used to try to

613
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: figure out because you know, West wasn't a very fast guy,

614
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: but but you know, it was quick and he had

615
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: good lateral movement. And then it's like, Okay, how come

616
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: nobody catches him? Or how come he always knows where

617
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: to run runs the right place? And so as I'm

618
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: thinking about that, I really think his peripheral vision was

619
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: off the charts because well because think about it. So

620
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there trying to see the ball, a

621
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: soccer ball, and then trying to see which one of

622
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: your buddies you're gonna pass it to, you know, and

623
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: see the ball and see who you're gonna pass it

624
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: to you have great peripheral vision, Okay, and now all

625
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're holding the ball. I mean that

626
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier. Oh yeah, And so I I

627
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: really think, uh, I really think in in in near

628
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: in everybody's case, but I think soccer develops a lot

629
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: of really good skills for football. Last one, coach, you've

630
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: asked to everybody, We've got some fun answers here. Um,

631
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: when you're scouting on the NFL side, a lot of

632
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: times you're watched Agay in college and it just blows

633
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: you away. You bring everybody into your office. You want

634
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: to check it out. But we've been asking everybody the

635
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: best high school player, the best high school tape that

636
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you've ever watched, The best high school player could it

637
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: could have been a good, great player at the next

638
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: level of the NFL level, but just that the tape

639
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: that blew you away on a kid in high school

640
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: who wasn't over the years, you know, West's was like that, like,

641
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Speaker 1: so here's what it is. So you got this guy

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Speaker 1: that's about five eight, kind of barrel chested, not the

643
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: fastest guy, and um and uh and so you know,

644
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: and he's the leading uh the leading rusher in the

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00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: state Oklahoma. And uh. And so you go through that tape,

646
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: and and on the tape, you know he's got and

647
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: although punt return was his better event, he has like

648
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: a kickoff return or two for a touchdown, some long

649
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: punt returns, interception return and for a touchdown. Uh. And

650
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: then he's got like, you know, uh, seventy yards rushing,

651
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty yards receiving, and then at the end

652
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: of it, he kicks like a forty nine yard field

653
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Speaker 1: goal to win it. And it's a playoff game is playoff.

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Speaker 1: But so you're going through the whole film, you're going, Wow,

655
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: what a good play. Oh, if only is bigger? Oh man,

656
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: that's a good play. It only is a little fast.

657
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Oh geez, that's a great high school play. If only

658
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: it was this, If only is that? And you know,

659
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: because of the size and speed and and you know,

660
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you're you're you're trying to talk

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00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: yourself out of the thing. But then of course he

662
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: jumps off the screen and he literally pretty much came

663
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Speaker 1: to our place, demanded the skullar. He says. Listen, he says,

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, i' men's state. I'm going to Oklahoma State.

665
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: So it's in state twish. If I have to walk gone,

666
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: give me a scholarship then uh then uh I'll come here.

667
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: So which is as So you know staff, you know

668
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: talk talk talk whisper, so you know, figured well, good team.

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Speaker 1: Guy played some special teams. He started every game he

670
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: was ever in. Um left as all time leading punt

671
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: returner in the history college football, leading receiver in the

672
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: history of tech at the time or at the time.

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00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Don't know if he still is or not, but um no,

674
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: but he he jumped by and it's like did everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't an aspect of the game that

676
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: he didn't impact. And and just I haven't seen a

677
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: guy play as many positions as effectively as he did.

678
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: All right, Buck, what ah, what a treat to have

679
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: those recordings of those conversations. I mean so many times

680
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: you have, uh, these chats in private with coaches. It's

681
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: a phone call, it's seeing him on the field. But

682
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Speaker 1: one of the cool things about the job that we

683
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: have now is that we have record of some of

684
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Speaker 1: these football coversations that we've had. And as you could

685
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: tell by those two interviews we had with coach Leach

686
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: really a fun guy to talk to, somebody to learn

687
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: from and UH, you know, just a treat to talk to.

688
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: It's just an enjoyable human being to be around. Yeah,

689
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: I was saying in person to be around. And we

690
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: talked about it, DJ, We talked about the personal stories

691
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: that we each had, UH and crossing this path, and

692
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about the larger impact that he's had on

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00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: the football community with his innovation, UH, the things that

694
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: he was able to do with the air raid and

695
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: some of the practice habits and tactics that he used

696
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: to help his teams play at a high level. But

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Speaker 1: I think everyone is really just going to miss the man.

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00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: You talk about, a big outside personality. You just don't

699
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: come across people like that who are so UM. I

700
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: would say worldly touch on so many different things outside

701
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: of the sport. UH. To bring that all into the

702
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: sport and really appreciate all the things and the many

703
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: different sides of Mike Leach. I think that's what we're

704
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: all gonna miss and his looks. It's a sad day.

705
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: It's a sad day because the football world lost a

706
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: great man. It's a sad day for sure, But hopefully

707
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Speaker 1: this podcast today and this show today has been a celebration,

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00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: a celebration of one of the more unique individuals and

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00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: the history of this great sport that we love. So

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00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: I I wanted to be able to, uh, to really

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Speaker 1: kind of use this entire episode. Buck. We had got

712
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Speaker 1: together and talked about this. We thought it made the

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Speaker 1: most sense. We have plenty of other things we can

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Speaker 1: get to. We have another podcast coming later this week.

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Speaker 1: We can dig back into the NFL and some of

716
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: these college prospects as we head towards the college football playoff.

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00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: But today we want to celebrate coach Leach. I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed it as much as we have

719
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: taken a little trip down memory lane there to honor

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Speaker 1: one of the great coaches in football history. So hope

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Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed that. We'll catch you next time

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Speaker 1: right here on move to sixty. He had