WEBVTT - It’s Luke Just Luke… Mr. Luke Part 2 (S2 E6, "Presenting Lorelai Gilmore") 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:17.680 I am all in like you. I Am all in 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.959 with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hey everybody, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.360 we're back and we're gonna do the recap and I 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.440 am Scott Patterson and this is the I Am all 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.800 In Podcast with our Heart Radio one eleven productions. Uh, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:36.080 we are going to get into presenting Lorele Gilmore season 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.920 to What episode is this? Does anybody know? This is 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.720 episode six six? So most I was one off six 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.400 Season two episodes six. Boy, we're really motoring down that 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.040 Gilmore Highway, aren't we? Oh my god, it's it seems 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.360 like we just started yesterday already, were you know well 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:59.600 into season two? It's flying by wow? Um anyway, what 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.200 you go think? What you know? You tell us first? 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.720 What did you think? I don't know? You want to 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.639 you want to do the let's do Riley, go ahead 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.160 do the synopsis for us. Riley, thank you. I love 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.119 doing the synopsis. Thank you for queuing me up. This 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.119 is season two, episode six, presenting Laura La Gilmore. Air 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.280 date November six, two thou one. Rory surprises every Rory 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.000 surprises everyone by agreeing to Emily's request that she make 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.720 her debut at a debutante ball, and when Laura Lai 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.240 asked Rory's dad, Christopher to present his daughters to society, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.600 she finds herself attracted to the new, more responsible man 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.680 that he has become. Scott, you give us your initial 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.959 thoughts of the whole episode, because I have a few 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.080 things that really stood out. No one asked you. My 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:52.480 initial thoughts of this episode were are um discomfort. It 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:58.800 was uncomfortable for me to watch Laura Lae giving Christopher 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.040 another chance for purse, no reasons, for character reasons, because 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.920 it's still kind of a part of me, right. I mean, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.120 you can't separate. You can't. It's hard to separate, and 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:08.800 you know, you try to put that stuff away, but 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.079 it's like I'm watching these episodes now, so I'm it's 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.560 reigniting a lot of stuff. Um, and I just think, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.639 you know, after ten years and he's in his early thirties, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.640 that he's figuring out about responsibility. And you know, the 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.760 one thing that really hit me. I got very sad 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.640 at one point in this episode because Rory didn't have 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.720 a dad, and it made it really hit me. It 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.000 really hit me hard about what could have been and 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.400 how they should have tried to work it out. I mean, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.640 I kept saying to myself, why couldn't they have worked 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.680 it out? And why couldn't this girl have had her dad? 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.240 And he's such a fantastic guy, you know, it was 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.799 so much potential, and even even when he said he's coming, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:00.919 they still were like, yeah, right, that's like trust him. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.239 And so I related that experience to mine as a father, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.680 and I just couldn't imagine walking out on my kid 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.920 no matter how. But I mean, I didn't have a 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:18.760 baby at six. Okay, I wonder does Christopher and his 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:24.560 relationship with lore bother You clearly have chemistry. I don't 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.160 find it entertaining, and I don't see feel the chemistry. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:33.080 And I think it's because you're Luke. I see it, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.720 feel it? Do you really? Yeah? I feel their chemistry. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.880 I was bummed for her when he had to say 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.840 I can't stay because there's someone in Boston, and like 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.760 you know, is he felt Rory was happier for him 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.160 because I don't think she realizes how much lore I 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.400 still loves him. But the disappointment that I felt for 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.480 LORELEI just as she sort of really was like crushing 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.280 on him or liking him or you know, I think 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.120 their banter is always like right on point, and I 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.120 wonder if it bothers you because it's like, that's what 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.680 she has with Luke. Look, I'm part of the audience. Now, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:20.120 I'm one of them. Okay, So what I'm doing is 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:25.359 I'm watching this girl, this woman who this character Luke loves, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.320 and thinking, get your butt to the diner and get 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:34.800 it going. Let this from Romance begin. Stop f and 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:40.040 around with these people that are not solid human beings. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.320 I mean, you've got a guy sitting there on a 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.800 park bench and they're all moony for each other and 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.679 giggily and smiley talking about how at three years old, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.680 he's finally realized that he has to get a car 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.520 and get off the motorcycle. And yeah, and you know 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.520 what the most telling scene in the whole thing for 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.359 me was is when they on into the Volvo Laurela 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:09.719 and Christopher and he turned on that horrible music and 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.720 I'm thinking, but what on earth is that? It's but 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.040 but it's like, what are you kidding me? I mean, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:23.240 is there even a competition here? You know? Get so again, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.320 it was like, get your butt out of that car 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.080 and get to Luke's and let that romance start going 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.400 because that girl has a hole in her heart, and 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.080 and it's and it's like biology versus practicality, and and 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.680 what's right for Rory? And another thing that got me 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.240 is when you know who's gonna take me? If it's 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.120 not if Christopher is not going to take her to 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.280 and and she and and and they're sitting at the 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.839 table saying, well, I will who could it possibly be? 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.279 And I'm thinking she said Taylor. Rory said, well, we 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.240 could get Taylor, you know, maybe we get the sanitation guy, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.800 or you know, I'm like, what do you think that 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.080 it hurts? Couldn't hurt? I was hurt. It was jarring 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.839 for me to say. I think the writers didn't write 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.560 Luke because if they would have said Luke, you were 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.440 the more logical choice than Christopher, it was almost like 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.920 they couldn't say it, like yeah, of course Luke is 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.600 going to do it, but it's still like why I 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.200 even have the storyline with Christopher. So that's that's again 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.920 getting the audience to participate in the piece by leaning 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.600 forward and saying what about Luke? Yeah, that was very 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.560 jarring to me. That was really charring. I was just like, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.720 I think the part you and I disagree on this. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.839 I do like the chemistry with Christopher. I always think 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.760 they have a great damswer. They know each other so well. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.039 What I haven't figured out yet, even though I've seen 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.120 all the episodes of My you know I know, is 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.960 that at this moment, does Laurelai crush on Christopher as 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.680 she's seeing him become what she always wanted him to 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.320 be in the old feelings? You know what I mean? Like, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.320 does she really love him now or does she just 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.120 love it? He's the dad and they never had their 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.440 shot and blah blah blah. I think he's gonna end 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:18.560 up being the rebound guy for Max, and I think 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.480 he's going to know that. And I think, I mean, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.320 I I write, do I do? I not know? I 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:30.000 do not know what's coming. I don't know what's coming. Well, yeah, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.840 I remember, you know little bits. But I guess I 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.320 don't understand as much as I hope I would understand 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:43.200 the human heart because she is so She's bouncing around 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.880 like a pinball machine looking for love and she deserves 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.000 it and she deserves a really solid guy. I don't think. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.800 I don't I don't want to criticize Christopher I think 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:59.000 he's a terrific character and a terrific guy, but he's 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.840 not settled. He's not right for them. Now now that 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.800 Rory is is older, now it's going to do less 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.840 damage to Rory and ultimately maybe not so much Laura 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.240 if they do get back together. She goes off to college. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.320 Christopher and Laura la are together and they're having a 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.400 fabulous time. And if it doesn't work out, it's not 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:24.640 going to destroy uh, Rory's future any damage John has 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.120 already been done. She's already worked it out, you know 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.600 what I mean, she's already worked it out. She's growing past. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.720 It's done, sure, you know, but it's not It doesn't 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.360 seem so tragic. Sure, I always notice, you know, Christopher 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.920 pulls up in the volvo, Rory comes out. She's so 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.520 happy to see him. Laura and Christopher always kiss, They 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.439 always kiss hello, and she doesn't do that with other characters. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.280 And then there was I think there was three kisses 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.280 in this episode. She definitely kisses him on the mouth 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.559 when they're in the in Stars Hollow and she's saying, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.080 you know, Boston's not that far. It's like they have 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:10.160 this chemistry connection, but it is physical like they definitely 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.040 he can't such each other and oh yeah, they're worth 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.880 free kisses. She kisses him goodnight, like on the list. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:21.160 He can't handle her, He cannot handle Laurelay. He cannot 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:26.080 exist in that world. He is not able to exist 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.480 in that world. They are not a good couple, okay, 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.600 even though they made a child, they're not right for 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.679 each other. To me, that is clear. She is too 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:40.120 she is too powerful and and he is too unsettled. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.760 He's always catching up. You know. It's like it's like 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.400 he's so boyish. It's like he's not emotionally mature enough 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.319 to catch up to where she is in her life. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.640 You know, she moved on and she made a career 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.599 in a life f rory. What the hell has he 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.760 been doing riding around his motorcycle, you know, starting businesses unsuccessfully, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.320 you know, searching, searching, searching the law soul. He as her, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.000 he about Sherry, that they're living together. I don't want 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.319 to I don't want to lead the witness. How did 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.200 you feel? What did you feel when he told her that? 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.480 I didn't understand why he let it get to that 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.840 point where he knew there was all this flirtation and 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.920 he knew there was all this chemistry between them and 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.679 he and obviously she was egging him on and and 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.679 looking at him and you know, being very open to him. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.320 And he could read those signs very early on in 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.840 the episode. So why did he let it get to 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.560 that point? So to me it seems a little sort 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.760 of passive, aggressive and a little hostile. You know, he 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.600 acknowledge that I was disappointed for her, even though look 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.960 I love Luke and lowrlyon, I was disappointed. I felt 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.760 bad for her, right Yeah, I mean yeah I did too. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.439 I mean, she's barking up the wrong tree and it's 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:55.160 so obvious, but you know, we're talking about somebody who 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.800 is working your tail off to being a great mom 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.000 and she wants some love in her life. She deserves it. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.800 But it's right down the street serving your coffee, okay, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.640 you know they and in the diner beating the burger. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.920 Yeah that was good, that was funny. He is so 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.880 well done about this episode is the sprinkling of Jess. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.680 They are not beating us over the head with Jess there. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.520 It's not like we met him last week and now 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.840 Worri's falling in love with him. It's just sprinkling, like 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.680 we're getting to know him. We had two great scenes 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.040 with him. Uh, but it's more subtle. Did you notice 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.480 that's banging me over the head? No, it's like he 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.280 what we're seeing now is like, you're not fit for society, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.920 and you're in boot camp and I'm your drill instructor, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.720 and this is what's happening. And once you're prepared, you 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.520 will have more scenes with other people. What do you 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.560 think when he's wearing the Luke classic moment, it's it's 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.160 it's like now you know, it's it's still his rebellious self. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.520 I mean, he's conforming without conforming. You know, there's double 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.160 meaning there, So it's you know, it's another typical clever, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.679 rebellious Jess move right, I mean without having to say anything. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.360 So he's a he's a brilliant character. He's a brilliant kid, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.800 you know. Um, but I think it shows on a 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.920 certain level a lot of respect, you know, an unconscious 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.240 level of respect for Luke. You know, because he went 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.200 into his closet and he put on one of his 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.480 shirts in one of his hats and came downstairs. So 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.960 it's really making nice you know, there's nothing upset about 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.960 for Luke. He's really making nice and it's like, hey, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.120 I'm gonna make a joke out of this. I see 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.440 Rory watching him. That's what I thought was interesting when 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.719 she's eating the burger in that you know, second to 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:55.640 last scene, just watching him watching you too. He's not's 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:00.720 not ignoring him's not. They're both were watching. That's why 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:10.120 he was cast. You can't you can't ignore that, right, um. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.120 But yeah, I mean, you know, this episode really framed 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.920 for me, uh you know, looking forward and also framed 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.640 looking back what could have been, what Rory will become, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.000 and what Laurel I could have been. And it was 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:29.319 such a poignant moment, such a poignant moment when Emily 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.680 and Laurel are standing there and Emily says, you know 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:37.559 that that was supposed to be you mm hmm. Following 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.240 up with the final scene of the episode, Laurel goes 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.080 over and just just to hang and I'm I'm here 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.360 if you know, you want to talk. Heartbreaking, absolutely hard. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.600 Concerned about Richard and Emily, but I'm mostly concerned about 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:58.280 Richard with you know, he is having a crisis at 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:04.040 work that he's being phased out and losing his identity. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.600 I don't know that that moment for me with her 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.559 cutting the trimming her rose bushes or whatever she was doing, 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.280 and Lauraa just like, what are you doing here? Hanging? What? 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.240 What is that? We don't we haven't established that you're 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.400 not my daughter? Really you don't really like me? And 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.640 what are you doing here? And it just for me, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.080 it took on tragic proportions because that's time, you know, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.520 that's sixteen seventeen years that you can't get back and 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.040 you can't relive it. And that's a life and that's 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.800 a relationship that just won't be as full and fruitful 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.520 and loving um as it could have been. And I'm 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.280 not blaming anybody for I'm not blaming you, Laura, I'm 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.400 not blaming Emily. It's just life. Life can sometimes be 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.800 very tragic. What do you make of the fact that 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.240 she went to Emily to sort of be there for 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.520 her instead of going to Richard to say, hey, do 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.120 you want to talk about what's going on at work? 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:06.240 Like she really went to Emily multiple times in this episode, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.280 which I think she had flashbacks to her own relationship 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.560 with Christopher and the arguments that they were having that 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.200 split them up because they were of a similar nature. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.280 I mean, all these arguments are pretty much similar. It's 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.400 like you're not spending enough time with the family, you're 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.320 working too hard, and you know, during that kind of relationship, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.160 and the guy didn't want to talk about it, you know, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.320 and and and you're not listening to me. I told you, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.560 and you're not listening to me. And these are common, right, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.240 everybody has them that's in a relationship. Um, And I 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.440 think it made her just flashback to those moments with Christopher, like, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.840 what have I lost? Here? It may and I could 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.320 lose my parents and my father's you know, they're getting 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:50.120 he's getting older now, everybody's getting older, and my daughter 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.880 is going away to college and I am going to 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.240 be alone. And what will I have? What have I 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.440 created in my life that I've detached myself from my 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:05.360 mother and my father necessarily in her mind right, justifiably 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.960 so in her mind. But now what does she have 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.920 if we so the messages? You know, families everything, We 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.040 have nothing if we don't have our families. And a 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.880 little bit of sliding doors that Gwyneth Paltrow movie Sliding Doors, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.440 because and I think you pointed it out in our 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:25.040 last episode when the fan dance is happening behind Laura, like, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.160 and you do have that moment of like, wow, she 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.320 could have had an entirely different life had these certain 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.400 things not happened. She would have been doing the fan dance, 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.120 and who knows what would have happened, And you see 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.640 them wondering, and then Emily points it out by saying, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.600 should I think it's high time And I don't know 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.480 if this happens in the episodes, I think it's high 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.640 time that Laura like get some therapy, yes, yeah, and 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.320 talk about and talk and really explore what made her 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.080 rebel so hard against her or family and the country 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:07.520 club lifestyle and the cotillions and the balls and then 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.920 all of that stuff. What made her move to Stars Hollow, 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:18.080 What made her behave so rebelliously? What? What was it? 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:23.040 You know? What's so interesting? Tell me if I'm crazy 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.960 this show were made today. Don't you think the wacky 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.760 therapist would have been a character in Stars Hollow? Like 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.840 twenty years ago that wasn't so like what he did, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.480 but now like the whole family would have been in 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.159 therapy and or I don't know, I just feel like 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.399 if it was made today, there would be the Kirk 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:48.200 that was the therapist of stars that or the somebody 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.720 just super I don't know, I could see that because 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.360 that is so logical what you're saying. Why are these 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.600 people all not in massive therapy. Anyone that has a 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:02.160 kid at sixteen, they all need therapy. Anyone whose dad 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.760 isn't in their life needs therapy. Like, I think made 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.280 a really interesting point. Yeah, I mean, therapy is a 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.199 wonderful thing. And you know, there are a lot of 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.280 people out there that are trained to to to handle 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.320 all kinds of different situations. They have a lot of 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.560 experience in it. And Laura La I need somebody like 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.000 that right now. There's a lot going on in her life. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.000 She's gonna lose her daughter to college, she has no 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.119 real relationship with her parents. Every time she's at a 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.760 Friday night dinner, she's sarcastic and hostile toward her my 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.520 own mother. The mother just tolerates. And the mother even 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.760 said Emily even said at the top of this episode 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.720 when she came in the first time for Friday night dinner, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.080 that we didn't see the dinner, but we just saw 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.480 the entrance. And she said Laura, La, you're exhausting. I agreed. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.879 It's like so much enter energy expended for all this 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.960 verbiage and all the sarcasm, and I san god, the 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:56.119 level of engagement and doesn't go to therapy like and 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.480 I get it. Twenty years ago. It was a little bit. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.040 It wasn't so like obvious. But yeah, that would be 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:07.920 a whole interesting thing to breakfast too. Alright, uh oh, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.560 I never you know that little clock in that ping, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.800 I never hear it because we're so involved and that 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.200 clock that timing. Anyway, we got to take a break. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.600 The clock is barking at me right now. Secret when 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:25.760 we come back. Yeah, if you want to. It's excited 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.879 about no, no, no, I think it's I think. But 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.920 I have a bombshell too, So why don't we compare bombshells? Yes, 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.920 mine will not be as good as I'm ready. Are 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.679 you sure? I'm pretty sure mine will be sort of 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.520 like laugh, It's like a pop gun. It's like, what 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.320 I have a bombshell, can't wait? Okay, okay, mine will 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.520 go first. That way, mine would be a letdown. Right 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.240 then I'll have egg on my face when mine isn't 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.959 such a big deal, right, and you're just setting me up. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.520 I know you're up right. You're smarter than everybody put together, right, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.800 got it? I understand. M alright, so all right, let's 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.440 take little break and we will be back and we 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:10.479 will talk bombshells. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back. Amy 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.280 has a pop gun of a bombshell. It's not really 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.320 a bombs a little something. Maybe I'll have questions, maybe 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:22.840 I'll questions. Always. I don't typically admit this. I debated 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.000 whether or not to admit this, but it just seemed 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:31.400 too obvious. Uh I, it's hard to say. It's hard 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:39.159 to admit. I'm not gonna by I was a debutant. No, wow, 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:47.480 that's massive. No, it's not massive. But people wondering is that? 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.879 Isn't that over the top. It's pretty fairly accurate. Now 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.760 where are you? Where were you at debut in California? 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.359 Oh my goodness, the hoity toitus of it all. Wedding 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.160 dress thing is totally accurate, and escort thing is totally accurate. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.560 The dad part is totally accurate. It was all pretty accurate. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:13.960 Other than Emily's part was pretty accurate. We did not 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:18.200 have any kind of fan dance. Riley is dying. Were 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.400 you a debut at Riley Amy. I'm crying because I 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.600 convinced my parents to not let me be a debutant, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.879 and I convinced them to give me the number or 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.080 the money that would cost for the wedding dress and 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.080 put it towards something else. Like I was so against 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.520 being a debutant because it was not my thing. And 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.920 so I'm crying that you don't think it was my thing. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.080 But I was like, yeah, sure, okay, fine, basically just 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.080 like Rory, like it makes other people happy, like it 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:50.040 made my grandparents happy, it made my parents happy. Sure, fine, 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:55.520 you know whatever, But yeah, I have a full wedding dress, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:22:00.399 full poof tool Ryan. So I mean almost exactly like 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.639 one of those dresses. You have to share pictures. You 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.560 have to share pictures of this event. Please, we have 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.679 to see these pictures my dad. So the difference was 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.560 you had to waltz and you had a waltz with 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.119 your dad, and then you have to waltz with the 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.240 escort something like that. The waltz is hard. I was 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.520 not a good waltter. That was like Otherwise, yeah, I 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:29.040 mean it was pretty accurately portrayed. Maybe I'm sure somebody 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:34.840 was drinking had a flask back there. It's pretty accurate. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.399 Like you were a debutant, and did you did you 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.920 marry your escort? Fo escorts didn't escort, so a lot 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:45.879 of people would have like a sibling be their escort. 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.600 Mine was like a childhood friend. There was less of that, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.960 like you weren't going to marry your escort and you 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.000 weren't like out like who wants to be my husband? 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.600 It was not quite that. And I was a debutant 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:02.960 in N two that was before this, But yeah, I 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.679 mean pretty accurate. And you were in the paper as 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.840 a result. You were in the San Francisco Herald, in 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.479 the San Francisco examin Or with a photo. I think 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.920 it's a chronicle, the San Francisco Chronicle or one of those. Yeah, 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:20.560 Amy Amy Sugarman debuts. Yeah, he definitely says that. Like 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.479 I think it was a group photo. It was like 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:28.520 a little un you were sixteen sixteen, No, you're for 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.840 ours your eighteen, So they want you, they want you 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.760 to be able to drive to the place right, and 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:37.879 then it kind of happens. I think I think it 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:43.760 was senior year something like that, and it's a little embarrassing, 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:48.120 Like it's like not something you know because it's kind 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.800 of fancy or HOI all the same things that embrace said, 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.399 you're lucky, right, it's not going for you. What's interesting 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.000 is like, that's why I thought it was so active, 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:04.600 really done, some of the reasons for it. You know, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.560 it's a tradition, sort of an archaic tradition and sort 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.840 of ridiculous, but it's sort of like you get it. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:16.399 So you're Rory Gilmore, You're not Laurela. You're Rory. Yeah, 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.560 I was. It's not my thing, but I was cool, 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:29.760 fine to do it. Riley, you're our resident Laurela. But 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.439 I bring it up just because it was portrayed. It 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.280 was not over the top except for the fan dance, 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:43.800 right yeah, and kind of like even when so we 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:45.800 had older dad's do you know what I mean, like 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.959 art because he obviously didn't have weren't born when our 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.600 parents were sixteen. But I love when she says Christopher 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.640 to Christopher like you're a hot dad. He said, you're 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.879