WEBVTT - Desperately Devoted to James Denton aka Mike Delfino 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.760 Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.360 Hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:17.040 and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. Okay, well, I 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.560 feel like we need drum rolls and all sorts of 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.200 like fireworks, we need special effects to happen, but we 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.799 actually don't need them because we actually have them in person. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.200 I can't imagine that our listeners are going to be 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.960 any more excited about any guests that they are for 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.840 the person that is in the room now. I can't 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.519 even speak because I'm so nervous, I really am. I'm 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.160 like going to cry and sweat at the same time, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.680 which is so sexy anyway. So I guess, without further ado, 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.720 there is nobody who could possibly have embodied the role 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.800 of Mike the Plumber than this wonderful man and friend 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.200 that we have here with us today. Please welcome Jamie Denton. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.640 It's so hard for you to say, Jamie. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.640 It's our families together. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.360 You guys know me too well to call me James. 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:11.160 Hi. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.520 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Desperately Devoted. We are certainly desperately 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.640 devoted to you, as are all of our listeners. Thank 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:19.520 you for joining us. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.000 It's kind of I'm guessing. Well, it's a pleasure to 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.720 be here. And I will admit I have heard every episode. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.680 What are you're a number one fan? 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.520 I could be, Oh my god, could be. We're not 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.880 just listening to hear what you say about me. Yeah, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.560 but no, I've heard about it, but on the first one. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.720 And you guys are really fun and it was fun 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.319 for me to relive it like it is you. I'm 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.200 sure to relive the episodes. So I just follow it 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.840 and then every week it pops up and I listen 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.080 to it. Yeah, you've even kind to me, which I appreciate. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.640 Have you Have you rewatched the show at all? 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:52.280 Not in a long time. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:52.600 Yeah. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.400 My daughter who's twenty, and all of our friends are 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.840 benching it. Oh, tell us about that, which is crazy. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.000 Wait, because your daughter born in the first season. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:07.600 She shower for there. Bob Newhart was there that day. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.919 Gosh, yeah, was out your baby shower? That's intense. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.680 That's a flex you through it. So yeah, she was 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.200 born in season two maybe, Yeah, But anyway, all of 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.960 her friends are watching it in college, and I was 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.760 afraid it wouldn't hold up because it is a little 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.440 bit I mean it's dated visually. I mean it was film, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.880 which nothing is now, but it does. They love it, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.240 and I know it's got a little TikTok resurgence I hear. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.440 But they're, you know, their twenties and they can't stop 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.720 watching it, which is cool. She's a little bit I mean, 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.840 she's proud that her dad's Midelfino, but depending on the episode, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.720 it's a little bit more red faced. But they're they're 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.240 loving it. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.160 And I do think there is It is a bit 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.600 dated visually, but in a really kind of fantastic nostalgic way. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.880 Right, because artistically it had a funny, unique look anyway, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.480 like almost like a cartoon with a picket fance and 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.440 the you know, sort of saturated colors. Yeah, some of 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:01.359 it was by choice. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.920 I love with Steria Lane, like so in love with 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.520 Mysteria Lane. I got to go back. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.560 We got to go back in preparation for this, and 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.600 the three of us got to walk down Colonial Street 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.919 with Steria Lane and stand in front of our house 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.320 and oh, my gosh, it really is a mad house. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.239 The same color they've repainted some of the houses, but 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:20.200 your house looks exactly. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.079 That is funny. I keep meaning to go back and 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.280 I have it. Yeah, that was well. The street was 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.280 a character. We talked about that. It was one of 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.560 the characters for sure. That's all personal. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.960 So can okay take us back to the very beginning, like, 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.400 do you remember the casting story? How did that go? 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.720 I'll try to. We have so much to cover. No, 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.640 I know you have an editor. But I was on 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.600 a show, a short lived show called Threat Matrix, and 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.160 I was so excited because I was number one for 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.720 the first time on a show. It was a terrorism show. Okay. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.160 For people that don't know what that means, is when 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.640 you're in a show, there's a call sheet every day 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.360 with all the names of the actors and what time 0:03:58.400 --> 0:03:59.800 they need to be on the set and in the 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.800 make up chair, and then it kind of tells you 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.400 all the scenes that you're doing that day. And the 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:09.840 number one is supposedly the star of whatever the piece 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:10.440 of the thing is. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:11.880 It's the person who's going to be in the most 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.880 they number one is the person who's probably going to 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.080 work the most days. So of course you were number 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.360 one on Desperate Housewives, as you should have been, and. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.880 I was number one on this I was number two. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.360 You were, Yes, you were. There's a story here, which 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.200 you're going to get to later on about me being 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.679 number five. Yeah, what you made I remember, but became 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.640 an issue in court that I was number five and 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.320 not number six. But anyway, there's a little teaser. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.120 Yeah, we got to get to. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.600 So I was on the show. I got guests in 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.400 the show. Was so excited. I was finally, Okay, this 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.600 is a chance to but you know, it's a real meedy, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.160 high action. That's when they made me be James because 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.760 they thought Jamie was too light weight. And so we 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.520 got on ABC and so I went up fronts and 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.800 I was so excited and a producer named Floty Suarez. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.320 You may know him. He's done a number of sitcoms 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.640 for ABC. He said, oh, you're the guy from Threat Matrix. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.400 I was like, yeah, We're sitting at a bar the 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.560 night of upfront He was, dude, sorry about that time slot. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.520 What they put us on at eight o'clock on Thursday night. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.440 This is high action, a lot of violence against the 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.320 final season of Friends and the first season of Survivor. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.560 So we made it sixteen episodes, but that was it. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:18.000 So anyway, cut to we get canceled early. Michael Ettelstein 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.640 was the showrunner on it, and he became the showrunner 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.760 on Housewives in the beginning. Yeah, we went under Mark 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.600 Cherry with Mark Cherry, and so he and a lot 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.200 of our crew, Dougie Shamberger and all those guys, Okay, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.080 came over from Thread Matrix. And so when Michael got 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.760 over there with Mark Cherry, he said, you know this 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.080 guy who was the lead on the show Pretty Good 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.159 shows up sober and doesn't knock the furniture over and 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.120 he does all this stuff. So he said you should 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.039 see him. And Mark was like, oh, but you know, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.400 I want somebody who's Italian. But Michael really pushed I think, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.320 and so thank god, so you auditioned those. So I 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.159 went in and I went and read with the macaroni scene. Okay, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.200 I met you at at the table and eating the 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.279 macro actually ate the macaroni, or pretended to in my test, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:07.840 and you had to react to your macaroni. Well, well, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.400 I had to pretend I liked it because she was 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.239 so cute. I was like, we're really good. But I think. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.240 People would be interested to know that we didn't test 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:15.320 never met together. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.560 Yeah, we met you after we were both cast at 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.520 the first table read right on the set and we're 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.880 backing picture like it was yesterday. So I got cash 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.040 from that Mike. In the audition, I did the thing 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.600 and Mark Cherry sat back and said, can you be 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.560 more Italian? And I was like, I'm from I'm a 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.200 redneck from Nashville and I'm barely hiding my southern which 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.040 I really didn't and and so I couldn't believe. But 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.120 they I was the only person they tested for Delphino, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.440 which is you know, it was really unusual for a 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:41.760 role that's not one of you guys. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:42.159 Wow. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.960 So yeah, so to be such a big role, it 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.599 was not hard to It is an easy casting process. Okay, 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.560 but yeah, we never met, which is crazy, which is 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.719 crazy considering they knew that we were going to be 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.480 together and they never had us reading. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.320 Did you know that Terry was cast as Susan at 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.160 that point when you were testing or no, yes you did, okay, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.479 because I didn't know until I got it that Terry 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:04.400 was Susan. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.800 Were you first, what do you mean cast? 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:08.159 No? I think I was last. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.239 I thought I've heard you say that, which was that's 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:11.880 just like. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.880 The lore that I've heard. I don't. I mean, I 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.400 don't know, but I think they were. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.800 They were out to you, like I think you they 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.760 were like you were negotiating it, but they teased it 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.960 with Terry Hatcher is probably going to one of my 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.600 callback not. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.960 Even meant anything. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.240 But at my callback there was chatter in the waiting 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.520 room because Felicity had just been cast, okay, and so 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.880 that they but I think she was first. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.680 So no, I think Eva was first. Oh right, right? 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.680 Maybe yeah, I think you said that, but then maybe 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.560 Felisy was early on. But anyway, I never knew who's 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.800 I thought they were saying that she was Susan and 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.040 oh I saw she's blonde and I blonde and they 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:50.680 made that my hair. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:51.080 Anyway. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.640 But it's fascinating that nobody read together because it's such 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.040 an ensemble asked the SAG Awards. It's such an ensemble show. Yeah, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.800 none of you guys even read so interesting. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.760 So what was it like when you met for the 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.040 first time at the table root. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.520 It was they had tables were like a big u 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.400 all and there were like a thousand people there. But 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.160 this was you know, ABC was at the bottom of 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.000 the barrel. They were running Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.760 Four nights a week. It was all game shows. There 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.800 were no scripted dramas that anybody was watching because I 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.880 had been through it is one that was canceled. I 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.000 was on one before that that was canceled after one year, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.760 and I did two pilots, so I've been trying to 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.720 be on ABC for four years. So we weren't that 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.840 optimistic that anybody was going to see it. But they 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.440 knew the pilot was good because we are a lot 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.960 of executives at three D. So I was there before you, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.679 I think, but to which would be shock because you're 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.240 always early. But I remember you came, Oh yeah, I 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:50.520 can do I can tell stories. Ye But anyway, anyway, anyway, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.040 I'm gonna say it. I'm gonta. You asked how it went. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.320 I walked in and and you were you and you 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:57.760 were standing there talking to somebody, and I think you 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.360 had glasses on, maybe to read I don't know, even 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.880 though we're also young, but but you were smoking hot, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.840 and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.920 Terry Asher's boyfriend. And uh, that's and that's how it started. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.680 That's how it started absolutely sincere and they so we 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.600 sat next to each other and we spoke and you 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.079 were very cordial, but it was you know, it's a 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.559 big deal that first table read. So there everybody's a 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.160 little bit not nervous. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.880 But protective formal eggs formally. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.520 Yeah. So it was like a handshake and nice to 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.520 meet you. And there wasn't even really much talk about 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.160 we're probably gonna be a couple, even though Delfino was 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:37.960 the single guy, which is why I was number five. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.600 So yeah, it was it was like because I knew 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.520 you so well. I mean, let's be honest, you were 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.800 the star. You were the person who had done so 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.120 much before Housewives had, you know, went on the air, 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.079 which is why I was always kind of baffled by 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.080 the talk of the photos and who's in the middle 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:55.840 of what photo? And who are we featuring like you 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:03.680 have Terry Hatcher on the show. But anyway, wow, but anyway. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.800 See, there's a lot there that I'm sure people want 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.959 to hear about, and I don't know if I want 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:09.800 to talk about it or. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.800 Not make you uncomfortable, But Joy, I always joke with 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.679 Terry that as the you know kid coming onto the show. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.160 I knew her at that point from radio shack commercials. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.000 Oh my god. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.400 So I was like, my mom's the RadioShack lady. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.280 It's a little different. I also was like, gosh, she's 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:27.880 so beautiful. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.800 Yeah, it was nothing to do with any of the 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.280 other actors or actresses, because all of them, of course 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.319 blew up and we're all brilliant. I mean, you as 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.520 you've talked about, but when I got to the show, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.240 you had been you know, all't it's your resume, but 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.880 I knew who you were, was very aware of who 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.640 you were and was really I mean, that was the 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.480 attraction to me because I was so tired of being 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.440 on failed ABC projects that when they came to me 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.160 for the test, I said no. I was like, you 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.559 know what, there was five years in a row of 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.840 ABC failures and I just thought, you know, it's not 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.160 I'm going to do something else. And luckily my manager 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.840 is like, this pilot's pretty good. It was really, And 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.280 then I heard that they were out to you. That's 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:05.080 what was. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.200 Hearing that she might be attack made a big difference. Wow, Wow, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:08.760 that's cool. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.840 Well, I I just also think it's it's it's like 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.800 chemistry is a thing that you just kind of can't 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.920 make up. And I mean good actors can obviously. You know, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.719 I've definitely worked with people that I don't necessarily even like, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.600 you know, like like but but but you you can 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.440 do that. But then the bonus is when you just 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.480 have that natural ease and chemistry and then also when 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.000 you come to care about a person like off screen 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.800 and who they are and their family and whatever. And 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.200 I'm just I so treasure the eight years of your 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.679 support and that relationship that we had, I mean me too. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:50.480 It was priceless. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.120 Yeah, I think it was important. I think I think 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.360 get Red You're right, you can act chemistry. I mean 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.440 I was. I was with other women on that show 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.600 too besides you, and all the craziness and the chemistry 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.640 was you know, no offense to anyone with us was 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.040 just completely different. And but we you know, we had 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.040 a way of working. I think that helped. And also, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.640 you know, you caught a lot of incoming on that show, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.800 I mean from the press from I felt very much 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.800 a responsibility to protect you from that kind of crap 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.160 from some of the vibes. You know, again, this is 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.600 not about anybody except to you. It's not about other people, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.160 but you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.160 tension around that show. It blew up so big, and 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.600 you were sort of at a target on your back 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.640 because you were the biggest celebrity, and so I felt 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.280 and I think that helped that. I felt that sort 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.160 of protectiveness of view and it made us a little 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.160 tighter and then it worked. In the scenes. We talked 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.200 about how the fact that you would sometimes grab my arm. Yeah, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.520 I grab a hand before and I've never done that 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:52.240 with anyone else. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.800 Yeah, so this is something I think you're doing it 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:55.240 right now. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.000 Yes, I think. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.320 Fans would want to know this. Like sometimes when you're 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.960 doing a scene and it could be an emotional scene, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.520 like I like you could maybe the scene brings you 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.640 to a point of tears or whatever, like there is 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.200 something about me as an actor. So this is like 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.559 my process that in either either. So when you shoot 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.760 a scene, you shoot it from a lot of different angles. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.720 Sometimes the coverage of it takes a couple of hours, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.520 and you know, you'll sometimes hear actors say, like, you know, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.400 don't give it your one hundred percent unless it's your 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.240 close up like that, Like you don't want to waste it. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.559 You don't want the idea, you don't waste it. I 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:40.679 never could do that. I never could be purposefully any 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.600 less than what I felt the scene called for, Like 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.880 I couldn't reserve something with like a consciousness only waiting 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.320 until the closeup was on me to really like give 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.360 it my all. It's not how I approach it, which 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.439 is probably not great because you end up like doing 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.480 it in dancing terms, you're doing it full out every time. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:02.199 But the product is. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.760 Better, right maybe, but but so over like a long time. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.920 When you're shooting a scene like that, sometimes you stay 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.280 in it. Like if it's a short setup, if they're 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.520 only going to take five minutes to move the camera around, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.280 sometimes you're going to stay in that whatever that emotional 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.439 space is. But if they have to rig the whole 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.280 camera around and it's you're going to go to lunch 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.880 in your trailer and then you're gonna have to come back, obviously, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.040 you're gonna have to let yourself come out of that space. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.560 And one of the tricks that I always had with 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:33.880 Jamie not Dame's Damie want was that I would just 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.760 like reach over and I would just hold his arm 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.400 and I and I said to you consciously, I'm going 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.760 to do this thing where I'm going to hold your 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.840 arm and it's going to help me ground into where 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.640 I need to be. Is that okay? And you would 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.520 be like yes, and and it really did like it's 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.520 a it's I'm a touch person, right, It. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.280 Was an actual physical touch point for you to help say. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:55.720 Yeah. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.400 In the beginning, I remember, Oh, there's nice of you 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.880 just ask before you. I mean, of course, after a 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.560 couple of years. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.360 I've just touched you anywhere. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.680 Yeah. I just was waiting for it. But I remember 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.000 you saying, they go, oh, that's kind of cool. I 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.120 get it. Sure whatever you yeah, whatever you need to do, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.640 and then sure enough, depending on the scene. I remember 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.440 one specifically. I think it was that night we had 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.320 that we did the big car wreck where Neil McDonald's 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.440 trying to kill us in them and then with him 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.960 Jay and you did it, and it was almost like electricity. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.960 You grabbed my arm and it almost made me cry. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.360 It was like there was something about it. Because so 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.680 many actors will just stay on their phone or duck 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.520 yak yah yack okay, action and maybe even just keep 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.920 talking through action until they decide to turn and do 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.960 the scene. And what was great about working with you 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.040 was it's more of a sort of a theater approach 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.600 and more of a methody, but you just stay in it, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.560 stay in it, and it gets better. And you would 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.200 do that sometimes and it would really I mean I 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.080 would feel it and it would change, It would really 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.360 change the dynamics. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.720 Said something that it actually is on my list of 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.920 questions for you, which is that you had mentioned that 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.600 you felt kind of protective of Terry, you felt, you know, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.480 and I relate to that as someone who has just 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 loved her for so long and worked so closely and 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.360 felt so much gratitude around getting to work with her. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.320 And I was wondering, if. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.080 You remember early on, I don't remember what season it was, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.400 I don't remember how early on. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.600 But it was pretty early days. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.400 Terry had come to set and she had somehow read 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.480 something not so nice about herself on the internet and 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.200 shared that with us, and in an effort to protect 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.120 her make her feel less alone, less targeted, or just 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.480 better in general, you and I then went and read 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:45.240 some bad things. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.400 About ourselves on the internet. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:47.000 Do you remember this? 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:47.240 Oh? 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.120 Yes, okay, okay, So I would and I would float. Yeah, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.560 it was all about. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.320 My looks, by the way, which for a thirteen so rough. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.280 I it was all about cifically and I won't repeat it. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.720 The one that you read. Yeah, yeah, I know this too. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.560 Yeah yeah, let's just say it was politically incorrect. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.840 But yeah I was commenting and well, yeah it was 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.479 but commenting on my looks for me. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:15.680 We did, we did. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.000 It reminds me of Jimmy Kimmel's like reading mean tweets 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.080 about yourself totally like, yeah, we're actually the og on 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.000 that you were reading things to make me feel better. Yeah. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:33.760 The worst thing was we didn't have to dig far is. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.840 But it also just made me feel so much love 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.080 for you that both of us had that we wanted 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.359 to kind of dive in and be supportive in that way, 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.800 but that you were so I don't know, able to 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.240 laugh at yourself and what might be negative out there 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:50.680 about you. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.239 And we had a good time with it. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.119 Yeah, we did. I remember one other time that you 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.800 came to base camp in tears and I was like, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:57.920 get in my car and I'm gonna get to it. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.440 But I remember just grabbing you and I didn't know 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.520 what happens. Something happened and you were sobbing and I 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.880 started like crying. I was like, you know, it's okay. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.760 And then I tried to figure out that you went home, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.560 and I found out later it was you know, things happened. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:09.080 Yeah, but I. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.000 Remember that feeling that way about you too, because we 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:12.080 were really kind of a family. 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.720