Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch.
Speaker 2: Hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,
Speaker 2: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. Okay, well, I
Speaker 2: feel like we need drum rolls and all sorts of
Speaker 2: like fireworks, we need special effects to happen, but we
Speaker 2: actually don't need them because we actually have them in person.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that our listeners are going to be
Speaker 2: any more excited about any guests that they are for
Speaker 2: the person that is in the room now. I can't
Speaker 2: even speak because I'm so nervous, I really am. I'm
Speaker 2: like going to cry and sweat at the same time,
Speaker 2: which is so sexy anyway. So I guess, without further ado,
Speaker 2: there is nobody who could possibly have embodied the role
Speaker 2: of Mike the Plumber than this wonderful man and friend
Speaker 2: that we have here with us today. Please welcome Jamie Denton.
Speaker 3: It's so hard for you to say, Jamie.
Speaker 4: It's our families together.
Speaker 3: You guys know me too well to call me James.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Desperately Devoted. We are certainly desperately
Speaker 2: devoted to you, as are all of our listeners. Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us.
Speaker 3: It's kind of I'm guessing. Well, it's a pleasure to
Speaker 3: be here. And I will admit I have heard every episode.
Speaker 4: What are you're a number one fan?
Speaker 3: I could be, Oh my god, could be. We're not
Speaker 3: just listening to hear what you say about me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but no, I've heard about it, but on the first one.
Speaker 3: And you guys are really fun and it was fun
Speaker 3: for me to relive it like it is you. I'm
Speaker 3: sure to relive the episodes. So I just follow it
Speaker 3: and then every week it pops up and I listen
Speaker 3: to it. Yeah, you've even kind to me, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Have you Have you rewatched the show at all?
Speaker 3: Not in a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My daughter who's twenty, and all of our friends are
Speaker 3: benching it. Oh, tell us about that, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: Wait, because your daughter born in the first season.
Speaker 3: She shower for there. Bob Newhart was there that day.
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, was out your baby shower? That's intense.
Speaker 3: That's a flex you through it. So yeah, she was
Speaker 3: born in season two maybe, Yeah, But anyway, all of
Speaker 3: her friends are watching it in college, and I was
Speaker 3: afraid it wouldn't hold up because it is a little
Speaker 3: bit I mean it's dated visually. I mean it was film,
Speaker 3: which nothing is now, but it does. They love it,
Speaker 3: and I know it's got a little TikTok resurgence I hear.
Speaker 3: But they're, you know, their twenties and they can't stop
Speaker 3: watching it, which is cool. She's a little bit I mean,
Speaker 3: she's proud that her dad's Midelfino, but depending on the episode,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more red faced. But they're they're
Speaker 3: loving it.
Speaker 1: And I do think there is It is a bit
Speaker 1: dated visually, but in a really kind of fantastic nostalgic way.
Speaker 3: Right, because artistically it had a funny, unique look anyway,
Speaker 3: like almost like a cartoon with a picket fance and
Speaker 3: the you know, sort of saturated colors. Yeah, some of
Speaker 3: it was by choice.
Speaker 2: I love with Steria Lane, like so in love with
Speaker 2: Mysteria Lane. I got to go back.
Speaker 5: We got to go back in preparation for this, and
Speaker 5: the three of us got to walk down Colonial Street
Speaker 5: with Steria Lane and stand in front of our house
Speaker 5: and oh, my gosh, it really is a mad house.
Speaker 1: The same color they've repainted some of the houses, but
Speaker 1: your house looks exactly.
Speaker 3: That is funny. I keep meaning to go back and
Speaker 3: I have it. Yeah, that was well. The street was
Speaker 3: a character. We talked about that. It was one of
Speaker 3: the characters for sure. That's all personal.
Speaker 2: So can okay take us back to the very beginning, like,
Speaker 2: do you remember the casting story? How did that go?
Speaker 3: I'll try to. We have so much to cover. No,
Speaker 3: I know you have an editor. But I was on
Speaker 3: a show, a short lived show called Threat Matrix, and
Speaker 3: I was so excited because I was number one for
Speaker 3: the first time on a show. It was a terrorism show. Okay.
Speaker 2: For people that don't know what that means, is when
Speaker 2: you're in a show, there's a call sheet every day
Speaker 2: with all the names of the actors and what time
Speaker 2: they need to be on the set and in the
Speaker 2: make up chair, and then it kind of tells you
Speaker 2: all the scenes that you're doing that day. And the
Speaker 2: number one is supposedly the star of whatever the piece
Speaker 2: of the thing is.
Speaker 3: It's the person who's going to be in the most
Speaker 3: they number one is the person who's probably going to
Speaker 3: work the most days. So of course you were number
Speaker 3: one on Desperate Housewives, as you should have been, and.
Speaker 4: I was number one on this I was number two.
Speaker 3: You were, Yes, you were. There's a story here, which
Speaker 3: you're going to get to later on about me being
Speaker 3: number five. Yeah, what you made I remember, but became
Speaker 3: an issue in court that I was number five and
Speaker 3: not number six. But anyway, there's a little teaser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get to.
Speaker 3: So I was on the show. I got guests in
Speaker 3: the show. Was so excited. I was finally, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is a chance to but you know, it's a real meedy,
Speaker 3: high action. That's when they made me be James because
Speaker 3: they thought Jamie was too light weight. And so we
Speaker 3: got on ABC and so I went up fronts and
Speaker 3: I was so excited and a producer named Floty Suarez.
Speaker 3: You may know him. He's done a number of sitcoms
Speaker 3: for ABC. He said, oh, you're the guy from Threat Matrix.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, We're sitting at a bar the
Speaker 3: night of upfront He was, dude, sorry about that time slot.
Speaker 3: What they put us on at eight o'clock on Thursday night.
Speaker 3: This is high action, a lot of violence against the
Speaker 3: final season of Friends and the first season of Survivor.
Speaker 3: So we made it sixteen episodes, but that was it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, cut to we get canceled early. Michael Ettelstein
Speaker 3: was the showrunner on it, and he became the showrunner
Speaker 3: on Housewives in the beginning. Yeah, we went under Mark
Speaker 3: Cherry with Mark Cherry, and so he and a lot
Speaker 3: of our crew, Dougie Shamberger and all those guys, Okay,
Speaker 3: came over from Thread Matrix. And so when Michael got
Speaker 3: over there with Mark Cherry, he said, you know this
Speaker 3: guy who was the lead on the show Pretty Good
Speaker 3: shows up sober and doesn't knock the furniture over and
Speaker 3: he does all this stuff. So he said you should
Speaker 3: see him. And Mark was like, oh, but you know,
Speaker 3: I want somebody who's Italian. But Michael really pushed I think,
Speaker 3: and so thank god, so you auditioned those. So I
Speaker 3: went in and I went and read with the macaroni scene. Okay,
Speaker 3: I met you at at the table and eating the
Speaker 3: macro actually ate the macaroni, or pretended to in my test,
Speaker 3: and you had to react to your macaroni. Well, well,
Speaker 3: I had to pretend I liked it because she was
Speaker 3: so cute. I was like, we're really good. But I think.
Speaker 2: People would be interested to know that we didn't test
Speaker 2: never met together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we met you after we were both cast at
Speaker 3: the first table read right on the set and we're
Speaker 3: backing picture like it was yesterday. So I got cash
Speaker 3: from that Mike. In the audition, I did the thing
Speaker 3: and Mark Cherry sat back and said, can you be
Speaker 3: more Italian? And I was like, I'm from I'm a
Speaker 3: redneck from Nashville and I'm barely hiding my southern which
Speaker 3: I really didn't and and so I couldn't believe. But
Speaker 3: they I was the only person they tested for Delphino,
Speaker 3: which is you know, it was really unusual for a
Speaker 3: role that's not one of you guys.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so to be such a big role, it
Speaker 3: was not hard to It is an easy casting process. Okay,
Speaker 3: but yeah, we never met, which is crazy, which is
Speaker 3: crazy considering they knew that we were going to be
Speaker 3: together and they never had us reading.
Speaker 5: Did you know that Terry was cast as Susan at
Speaker 5: that point when you were testing or no, yes you did, okay,
Speaker 5: because I didn't know until I got it that Terry
Speaker 5: was Susan.
Speaker 3: Were you first, what do you mean cast?
Speaker 2: No? I think I was last.
Speaker 3: I thought I've heard you say that, which was that's
Speaker 3: just like.
Speaker 2: The lore that I've heard. I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I think they were.
Speaker 3: They were out to you, like I think you they
Speaker 3: were like you were negotiating it, but they teased it
Speaker 3: with Terry Hatcher is probably going to one of my
Speaker 3: callback not.
Speaker 2: Even meant anything.
Speaker 5: But at my callback there was chatter in the waiting
Speaker 5: room because Felicity had just been cast, okay, and so
Speaker 5: that they but I think she was first.
Speaker 2: So no, I think Eva was first. Oh right, right?
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, I think you said that, but then maybe
Speaker 5: Felisy was early on. But anyway, I never knew who's
Speaker 5: I thought they were saying that she was Susan and
Speaker 5: oh I saw she's blonde and I blonde and they
Speaker 5: made that my hair.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: But it's fascinating that nobody read together because it's such
Speaker 3: an ensemble asked the SAG Awards. It's such an ensemble show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: none of you guys even read so interesting.
Speaker 1: So what was it like when you met for the
Speaker 1: first time at the table root.
Speaker 3: It was they had tables were like a big u
Speaker 3: all and there were like a thousand people there. But
Speaker 3: this was you know, ABC was at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the barrel. They were running Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
Speaker 3: Four nights a week. It was all game shows. There
Speaker 3: were no scripted dramas that anybody was watching because I
Speaker 3: had been through it is one that was canceled. I
Speaker 3: was on one before that that was canceled after one year,
Speaker 3: and I did two pilots, so I've been trying to
Speaker 3: be on ABC for four years. So we weren't that
Speaker 3: optimistic that anybody was going to see it. But they
Speaker 3: knew the pilot was good because we are a lot
Speaker 3: of executives at three D. So I was there before you,
Speaker 3: I think, but to which would be shock because you're
Speaker 3: always early. But I remember you came, Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: can do I can tell stories. Ye But anyway, anyway, anyway,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it. I'm gonta. You asked how it went.
Speaker 3: I walked in and and you were you and you
Speaker 3: were standing there talking to somebody, and I think you
Speaker 3: had glasses on, maybe to read I don't know, even
Speaker 3: though we're also young, but but you were smoking hot,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: Terry Asher's boyfriend. And uh, that's and that's how it started.
Speaker 3: That's how it started absolutely sincere and they so we
Speaker 3: sat next to each other and we spoke and you
Speaker 3: were very cordial, but it was you know, it's a
Speaker 3: big deal that first table read. So there everybody's a
Speaker 3: little bit not nervous.
Speaker 2: But protective formal eggs formally.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it was like a handshake and nice to
Speaker 3: meet you. And there wasn't even really much talk about
Speaker 3: we're probably gonna be a couple, even though Delfino was
Speaker 3: the single guy, which is why I was number five.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was like because I knew
Speaker 3: you so well. I mean, let's be honest, you were
Speaker 3: the star. You were the person who had done so
Speaker 3: much before Housewives had, you know, went on the air,
Speaker 3: which is why I was always kind of baffled by
Speaker 3: the talk of the photos and who's in the middle
Speaker 3: of what photo? And who are we featuring like you
Speaker 3: have Terry Hatcher on the show. But anyway, wow, but anyway.
Speaker 2: See, there's a lot there that I'm sure people want
Speaker 2: to hear about, and I don't know if I want
Speaker 2: to talk about it or.
Speaker 5: Not make you uncomfortable, But Joy, I always joke with
Speaker 5: Terry that as the you know kid coming onto the show.
Speaker 5: I knew her at that point from radio shack commercials.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: So I was like, my mom's the RadioShack lady.
Speaker 4: It's a little different. I also was like, gosh, she's
Speaker 4: so beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nothing to do with any of the
Speaker 3: other actors or actresses, because all of them, of course
Speaker 3: blew up and we're all brilliant. I mean, you as
Speaker 3: you've talked about, but when I got to the show,
Speaker 3: you had been you know, all't it's your resume, but
Speaker 3: I knew who you were, was very aware of who
Speaker 3: you were and was really I mean, that was the
Speaker 3: attraction to me because I was so tired of being
Speaker 3: on failed ABC projects that when they came to me
Speaker 3: for the test, I said no. I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, there was five years in a row of
Speaker 3: ABC failures and I just thought, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: I'm going to do something else. And luckily my manager
Speaker 3: is like, this pilot's pretty good. It was really, And
Speaker 3: then I heard that they were out to you. That's
Speaker 3: what was.
Speaker 5: Hearing that she might be attack made a big difference. Wow, Wow,
Speaker 5: that's cool.
Speaker 2: Well, I I just also think it's it's it's like
Speaker 2: chemistry is a thing that you just kind of can't
Speaker 2: make up. And I mean good actors can obviously. You know,
Speaker 2: I've definitely worked with people that I don't necessarily even like,
Speaker 2: you know, like like but but but you you can
Speaker 2: do that. But then the bonus is when you just
Speaker 2: have that natural ease and chemistry and then also when
Speaker 2: you come to care about a person like off screen
Speaker 2: and who they are and their family and whatever. And
Speaker 2: I'm just I so treasure the eight years of your
Speaker 2: support and that relationship that we had, I mean me too.
Speaker 2: It was priceless.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was important. I think I think
Speaker 3: get Red You're right, you can act chemistry. I mean
Speaker 3: I was. I was with other women on that show
Speaker 3: too besides you, and all the craziness and the chemistry
Speaker 3: was you know, no offense to anyone with us was
Speaker 3: just completely different. And but we you know, we had
Speaker 3: a way of working. I think that helped. And also,
Speaker 3: you know, you caught a lot of incoming on that show,
Speaker 3: I mean from the press from I felt very much
Speaker 3: a responsibility to protect you from that kind of crap
Speaker 3: from some of the vibes. You know, again, this is
Speaker 3: not about anybody except to you. It's not about other people,
Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: tension around that show. It blew up so big, and
Speaker 3: you were sort of at a target on your back
Speaker 3: because you were the biggest celebrity, and so I felt
Speaker 3: and I think that helped that. I felt that sort
Speaker 3: of protectiveness of view and it made us a little
Speaker 3: tighter and then it worked. In the scenes. We talked
Speaker 3: about how the fact that you would sometimes grab my arm. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I grab a hand before and I've never done that
Speaker 3: with anyone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is something I think you're doing it
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think.
Speaker 2: Fans would want to know this. Like sometimes when you're
Speaker 2: doing a scene and it could be an emotional scene,
Speaker 2: like I like you could maybe the scene brings you
Speaker 2: to a point of tears or whatever, like there is
Speaker 2: something about me as an actor. So this is like
Speaker 2: my process that in either either. So when you shoot
Speaker 2: a scene, you shoot it from a lot of different angles.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the coverage of it takes a couple of hours,
Speaker 2: and you know, you'll sometimes hear actors say, like, you know,
Speaker 2: don't give it your one hundred percent unless it's your
Speaker 2: close up like that, Like you don't want to waste it.
Speaker 2: You don't want the idea, you don't waste it. I
Speaker 2: never could do that. I never could be purposefully any
Speaker 2: less than what I felt the scene called for, Like
Speaker 2: I couldn't reserve something with like a consciousness only waiting
Speaker 2: until the closeup was on me to really like give
Speaker 2: it my all. It's not how I approach it, which
Speaker 2: is probably not great because you end up like doing
Speaker 2: it in dancing terms, you're doing it full out every time.
Speaker 3: But the product is.
Speaker 2: Better, right maybe, but but so over like a long time.
Speaker 2: When you're shooting a scene like that, sometimes you stay
Speaker 2: in it. Like if it's a short setup, if they're
Speaker 2: only going to take five minutes to move the camera around,
Speaker 2: sometimes you're going to stay in that whatever that emotional
Speaker 2: space is. But if they have to rig the whole
Speaker 2: camera around and it's you're going to go to lunch
Speaker 2: in your trailer and then you're gonna have to come back, obviously,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to let yourself come out of that space.
Speaker 2: And one of the tricks that I always had with
Speaker 2: Jamie not Dame's Damie want was that I would just
Speaker 2: like reach over and I would just hold his arm
Speaker 2: and I and I said to you consciously, I'm going
Speaker 2: to do this thing where I'm going to hold your
Speaker 2: arm and it's going to help me ground into where
Speaker 2: I need to be. Is that okay? And you would
Speaker 2: be like yes, and and it really did like it's
Speaker 2: a it's I'm a touch person, right, It.
Speaker 5: Was an actual physical touch point for you to help say.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, I remember, Oh, there's nice of you
Speaker 3: just ask before you. I mean, of course, after a
Speaker 3: couple of years.
Speaker 2: I've just touched you anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just was waiting for it. But I remember
Speaker 3: you saying, they go, oh, that's kind of cool. I
Speaker 3: get it. Sure whatever you yeah, whatever you need to do,
Speaker 3: and then sure enough, depending on the scene. I remember
Speaker 3: one specifically. I think it was that night we had
Speaker 3: that we did the big car wreck where Neil McDonald's
Speaker 3: trying to kill us in them and then with him
Speaker 3: Jay and you did it, and it was almost like electricity.
Speaker 3: You grabbed my arm and it almost made me cry.
Speaker 3: It was like there was something about it. Because so
Speaker 3: many actors will just stay on their phone or duck
Speaker 3: yak yah yack okay, action and maybe even just keep
Speaker 3: talking through action until they decide to turn and do
Speaker 3: the scene. And what was great about working with you
Speaker 3: was it's more of a sort of a theater approach
Speaker 3: and more of a methody, but you just stay in it,
Speaker 3: stay in it, and it gets better. And you would
Speaker 3: do that sometimes and it would really I mean I
Speaker 3: would feel it and it would change, It would really
Speaker 3: change the dynamics.
Speaker 5: Said something that it actually is on my list of
Speaker 5: questions for you, which is that you had mentioned that
Speaker 5: you felt kind of protective of Terry, you felt, you know,
Speaker 5: and I relate to that as someone who has just
Speaker 5: loved her for so long and worked so closely and
Speaker 5: felt so much gratitude around getting to work with her.
Speaker 4: And I was wondering, if.
Speaker 5: You remember early on, I don't remember what season it was,
Speaker 5: I don't remember how early on.
Speaker 4: But it was pretty early days.
Speaker 5: Terry had come to set and she had somehow read
Speaker 5: something not so nice about herself on the internet and
Speaker 5: shared that with us, and in an effort to protect
Speaker 5: her make her feel less alone, less targeted, or just
Speaker 5: better in general, you and I then went and read
Speaker 5: some bad things.
Speaker 4: About ourselves on the internet.
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okay, So I would and I would float. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was all about.
Speaker 4: My looks, by the way, which for a thirteen so rough.
Speaker 3: I it was all about cifically and I won't repeat it.
Speaker 3: The one that you read. Yeah, yeah, I know this too.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, let's just say it was politically incorrect.
Speaker 5: But yeah I was commenting and well, yeah it was
Speaker 5: but commenting on my looks for me.
Speaker 3: We did, we did.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Jimmy Kimmel's like reading mean tweets
Speaker 2: about yourself totally like, yeah, we're actually the og on
Speaker 2: that you were reading things to make me feel better. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The worst thing was we didn't have to dig far is.
Speaker 5: But it also just made me feel so much love
Speaker 5: for you that both of us had that we wanted
Speaker 5: to kind of dive in and be supportive in that way,
Speaker 5: but that you were so I don't know, able to
Speaker 5: laugh at yourself and what might be negative out there
Speaker 5: about you.
Speaker 4: And we had a good time with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. I remember one other time that you
Speaker 3: came to base camp in tears and I was like,
Speaker 3: get in my car and I'm gonna get to it.
Speaker 3: But I remember just grabbing you and I didn't know
Speaker 3: what happens. Something happened and you were sobbing and I
Speaker 3: started like crying. I was like, you know, it's okay.
Speaker 3: And then I tried to figure out that you went home,
Speaker 3: and I found out later it was you know, things happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Remember that feeling that way about you too, because we
Speaker 3: were really kind of a family.
Speaker 2: I know that story or not really and you know.
Speaker 4: What, we'll get there, it'll come up back in the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Later we were a little family, which was great, but
Speaker 1: I felt watching the little family from when I would
Speaker 1: visit set, and.
Speaker 3: You know, kids are so perceptive.
Speaker 1: I was obviously seven when the show started, and you know,
Speaker 1: sixteen ish by the time it ended. But I think
Speaker 1: growing up and I don't know you that well really.
Speaker 1: I mean, we ran into each other last night, which
Speaker 1: is so kiss me before we did this, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's me.
Speaker 3: H, it's ever sent.
Speaker 1: But I have always felt towards you, or any stories
Speaker 1: about you, this incredible feeling of like, oh, yeah, Jamie
Speaker 1: is the guy that's like really really like holds it
Speaker 1: together with my mom and with Andrea, and like, I
Speaker 1: feel like your presence in my perception of the family
Speaker 1: I grew up in even though I wasn't actually on
Speaker 1: set all that often, just from the times I visited
Speaker 1: or even I remember visiting like the band from TV
Speaker 1: rehearsal spaces and laying on the ground while you and
Speaker 1: my mom were rehearsing, and just you carry an incredible
Speaker 1: grounding energy that I really value and value that you've
Speaker 1: brought to my mom.
Speaker 3: Well, that's really sweet. I appreciate it. And I felt
Speaker 3: like that was sort of part of what I could
Speaker 3: bring to that crazy set. Was it you and I
Speaker 3: Because then we spent some time in your trailer just
Speaker 3: talking about all of the like like shutting out the
Speaker 3: noise and doing the work and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: and so it's that was a it was quite a run,
Speaker 3: but that was part of the What I enjoyed the most,
Speaker 3: I think was the fact that we were really a team.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was your show. You were you know,
Speaker 3: I've joked before it wasn't called desperate plumber. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was not about I was a passenger on the train,
Speaker 3: but it was. It made me feel a little more valuable.
Speaker 3: But it felt like I that we kind of we
Speaker 3: kind of pulled each other through some of that junk together.
Speaker 2: Well, it brings me to a couple of things. One
Speaker 2: thing that we have noticed in rewatching, certainly the first season,
Speaker 2: which is where we still are in, is how important
Speaker 2: the men are in the show, and that we feel
Speaker 2: they didn't get their due at the time because all
Speaker 2: the press was around Housewives. You all were so great,
Speaker 2: and to that end, I'm wondering if you how much
Speaker 2: did you know about the journey of Mike, how much
Speaker 2: of it continued to be written like basically in real
Speaker 2: time and you sort of bobbed and weaved, like did
Speaker 2: you know you were arrested for drugs? So all of
Speaker 2: these neither yeah, er, So all of these things like
Speaker 2: popped up as it was going along.
Speaker 3: And I've heard you talk about that how you just
Speaker 3: have to sort of do the most rep you can
Speaker 3: and know as much as you can and be ready
Speaker 3: to kind of roll with that because you know, we
Speaker 3: get pages the morning off at the end. So all
Speaker 3: of that stuff in Delphino's background, I just knew there
Speaker 3: was a lot of shady stuff. They kept assuring me
Speaker 3: that he's not a bad guy, and that helped.
Speaker 2: That was kind of always at the base.
Speaker 3: They'd tell you that he's not a bad guy. He
Speaker 3: saw all the stuff about the murders, and you find
Speaker 3: out there was a good motive. There's a reason that
Speaker 3: he killed the person. And so it was always an
Speaker 3: explanation for why Delphino did something that seemed shady. So
Speaker 3: I had that to kind of hang on too, that
Speaker 3: my motives were never nefarious. But other than that, I
Speaker 3: didn't know a whole lot. But speaking of the Men,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this because I've said it before, and
Speaker 3: I heard Doug Savant's episode and the men not being
Speaker 3: appreciated the fact that Doug Savant didn't win an Emmy
Speaker 3: or a Golden Globe or something for that show. They
Speaker 3: shouldn't even give him out. He was brilliant in a
Speaker 3: couple of those seasons. And I heard you. I was
Speaker 3: so glad you pointed it out, because he was always
Speaker 3: underappreciated because it wasn't a regular it was a guest star,
Speaker 3: and he was underpaid. And then he slowly they brought
Speaker 3: him along. But the stuff he was asked to do
Speaker 3: I thought was tougher. I mean, I was just me.
Speaker 3: I had to pick up truck and a doll.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I'll fix things, I just do it at home because
Speaker 3: I know Doug's been on the show and I told
Speaker 3: him that and he just blushed and laughed. But it's true.
Speaker 3: I thought he and Ricardo was fantastic too, But Tom
Speaker 3: Scavo was a fantastic character, and I thought he killed it.
Speaker 2: I think it was a very underrated character because it
Speaker 2: was so tricky, because he could have just been such
Speaker 2: a jerk, and he found some sort of I don't know,
Speaker 2: loving vulnerability layered thing.
Speaker 5: But talk about not aging well, because apparently there's a
Speaker 5: lot of hate for him on TikTok.
Speaker 3: And not for Eva for making her daughter run behind
Speaker 3: the car. I think he is interesting.
Speaker 5: We have issues with Gaddy and Gallas, the storyline in
Speaker 5: the first season a lot, and John the Gardner, obviously I.
Speaker 1: Have a question speaking of I mean, obviously Mike's like
Speaker 1: grounded character, the fact that you always knew that you
Speaker 1: were a good guy. There's obviously more serious undertones, but
Speaker 1: I feel like Mike and Susan how a lot of
Speaker 1: incredible physical comedy together as well. I mean, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about even the scene when Susan falls through the floor
Speaker 1: in the first season and yeah, Mike comes up the
Speaker 1: stairs and like, do you have any fun favorite moments
Speaker 1: from how much physical comedy the two of you ended
Speaker 1: up getting into together over the season summer.
Speaker 3: There was so much and that was a great one,
Speaker 3: being stuck in the floor, and then of course when
Speaker 3: you were naked blocked outside in the bushes, because that was.
Speaker 2: Early days, it was very absolute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was filming that seemed like, well, you know exactly.
Speaker 3: I heard you guys talk about it when when you
Speaker 3: watched it, and it was you know, it's one of
Speaker 3: those days where you know, I think, oh, we're girl,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough day because you're out there
Speaker 3: naked all day and you had a little bit of
Speaker 3: tape on and you were like, yo, let's you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to look fake. So you had it
Speaker 3: as little as possible and you didn't tell the crew
Speaker 3: like here it is everybody, and luckily, luckily had a
Speaker 3: great crew and they pretended not to stare at you
Speaker 3: all day. But then I had the scene where you
Speaker 3: fall in the bushes and I have to walk by
Speaker 3: and really tend not to look at you and go, oh,
Speaker 3: so you're fell in the bushes. A little look down
Speaker 3: at you and you cross your legs. But then later
Speaker 3: it sets up my favorite scene in the entire eight years,
Speaker 3: which is when I walk you home that night after
Speaker 3: the dinner a breeze and I say, by the way,
Speaker 3: I wasn't that much of a gentleman. You got blushed
Speaker 3: and I started to walk away, and I said, for
Speaker 3: what it's worth.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my favorite scene in the entire series, just
Speaker 3: because it was set up and it was so true,
Speaker 3: and it was like and shooting that had been so
Speaker 3: much fun, and like you say, it's really an iconic scene.
Speaker 3: I think, probably maybe the most in the series.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I might challenge you and jump all the
Speaker 2: way to the end with the other iconic scene and
Speaker 2: surprising scene and horrible scene in my opinion, which was
Speaker 2: Mike's death. So tell us about what you knew about that,
Speaker 2: how that came up for you, and what you remember
Speaker 2: about shooting it.
Speaker 3: No, I've told the story about shooting it a lot, well,
Speaker 3: but two reporters at the time, And I think, but
Speaker 3: fun fact that hear you talk about always God, that's
Speaker 3: your that's your necklace, mom, those are your clothes. I
Speaker 3: had these boots on when my Golfino was killed. He
Speaker 3: was killed in these boots oh wow. In fact, they
Speaker 3: still had they had some of Dougie's sticky black stuff
Speaker 3: on him. Yeah, sound and you could see it when
Speaker 3: the crane pulled back on lying their dead you could
Speaker 3: see the sound pads on my boot, I know, but
Speaker 3: nobody knew what that was except me. They called me
Speaker 3: in when they decided to do it, which they didn't
Speaker 3: need to do, which I thought was really sweet, and
Speaker 3: Mark said, look, we need to do something huge with
Speaker 3: four or five to go before the finale. Everybody knows
Speaker 3: the finale will be big. We want to blow people
Speaker 3: away with about five to go, and we think we might.
Speaker 3: We want to kill Delfino. And of course they had decided.
Speaker 3: He wasn't asking my permission, but he framed it that way,
Speaker 3: which I thought was very respectful and very nice. And
Speaker 3: it really was great for me at the time because
Speaker 3: I was all shows produced, so I got paid anyway,
Speaker 3: and the next one was my funeral, and then at
Speaker 3: the end it was as a ghost. So technically getting
Speaker 3: killed is always fun because of the special effects. You know,
Speaker 3: you have one electric wire up one leg and a
Speaker 3: tube of blood up the other leg, and you had
Speaker 3: literally a charge of dynamite which blasts you against the
Speaker 3: door in the play, so it's fun as a guy
Speaker 3: to get killed. So all those things, I thought, no,
Speaker 3: this is fine. I got to go do Ellen and
Speaker 3: the View and Lenno and all the talk shows. And
Speaker 3: because Delfino got this big sind Off and all the
Speaker 3: other guys just faded away into boredom. That was my
Speaker 3: first and that was my first instinct when I heard
Speaker 3: they were going to do it, I had no reluctance whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I thought, this'll be cool. I didn't think about what
Speaker 3: it did to Susan and what it did to the viewers,
Speaker 3: and pretty quickly I learned, you know, the problem with
Speaker 3: it is the obvious one. Then when those people drive
Speaker 3: when they drive away, you guys drive away in the
Speaker 3: moving van from Asteria Lane, where Susan going? And why
Speaker 3: doesn't Susan get to be happy? And people care? Now
Speaker 3: that I've watched shows and gotten more attached to him,
Speaker 3: like you kind of it's silly, but you think about
Speaker 3: what happened to him afterwards.
Speaker 2: With singularly my one reason why there's no reboot. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm there are a million reasons why there hasn't been
Speaker 2: a reboot, but it would be the reason that I
Speaker 2: I don't know what Susan's what? What? What would anybody
Speaker 2: want to see? Like maybe Susan wouldn't be in the reboot.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. No fans would want to see Susan
Speaker 2: now with a new love of her life, right, No,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to see that. So nobody really wants to
Speaker 2: see Susan just old and decrepit with older children. Nobody
Speaker 2: wants to see that. Like is Susan and Nun somewhere
Speaker 2: like doing charity? Like I mean, nobody wants to see it.
Speaker 5: We floated the idea of Susan and Eadie developing a
Speaker 5: romantic relationship.
Speaker 2: That's that's a different show. That Susan and Eadie are
Speaker 2: both single and have had whack a doodle lives and
Speaker 2: they hated each other, but now they have to live together,
Speaker 2: and so what happens when they do. I think there's
Speaker 2: a show in that for sure. If anyone's listening, I
Speaker 2: have to say.
Speaker 1: I have to jump back to Mike's death because I
Speaker 1: remember very distinctly the day that you shot that scene.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, and I you know, was a teenager
Speaker 1: then I was like sixteen, So memories more formed, and
Speaker 1: I remember you coming home at the end of the
Speaker 1: day and you were I'm going to tear up.
Speaker 3: You were wrecked.
Speaker 1: And I remember you trying to explain to me what
Speaker 1: that feeling is like, and you said, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I can know in my mind, like this is fake
Speaker 1: and I'm an actor and I am in a scene,
Speaker 1: but your body doesn't know. And you were like, and
Speaker 1: I just spent eight hours in my body feeling like
Speaker 1: the love of my life was dying. And it really
Speaker 1: I think about that now, even as like a or
Speaker 1: and a director, when you think about the positions you
Speaker 1: put your actors in, having not to say you don't
Speaker 1: do that. You know, it's a great that you don't
Speaker 1: have great storylines and great tragedies, but that you're asking
Speaker 1: humans to go to this place in their bodies and
Speaker 1: then live there. And I just, I really, actually distinctly
Speaker 1: remember the day that you shot that death scene and
Speaker 1: how hard that was.
Speaker 3: I believe that she was like that when she came home,
Speaker 3: because that's when I realized shooting it is that we
Speaker 3: knew for a while, they told me weeks before, but
Speaker 3: then shooting it, I realized, oh, because it was so heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: And I've said this before too. You were so watching
Speaker 3: and you had to do it over and over and
Speaker 3: over in the crane pulling back and you are lying
Speaker 3: in your lap and bleeding out and you just sobbing uncontrollably,
Speaker 3: and I remember lying there thinking this sucked. No, like
Speaker 3: this sucks because this is like, this is real to people.
Speaker 3: To viewers, you know, would thought like, oh, fun like
Speaker 3: theater before, and I thought about the logistics and the
Speaker 3: money and the talk shows and the exit. And then
Speaker 3: I'm lying there in your lap and you are sobbing
Speaker 3: uncontrollably and it was so heartbreaking, and I was like, oh, and.
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people feel like why did
Speaker 5: that have to happen to Susan?
Speaker 4: You know, like, why why did it go?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, I know it was weird. I know it
Speaker 3: wasn't I mean, I assume it wasn't meant to be right,
Speaker 3: but it sure felt like you were sending her character
Speaker 3: to a real unhappiness, and you know, she had you
Speaker 3: had to do Gray Scott and the other Gail. You
Speaker 3: had different boyfriends and stuff, and people loved it because
Speaker 3: you're funny and they were you know, get to fish
Speaker 3: you out of the get you, fish you out of
Speaker 3: the pond, do Gray? But so you could have had
Speaker 3: another boyfriend.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have completely blocked all of that out,
Speaker 2: like you, it will be really interesting to as we
Speaker 2: go further into the episodes to see that come to life.
Speaker 2: I have blocked all of this out. Wow, Like I
Speaker 2: only live within the memory of Susan and Mike, and
Speaker 2: so the other thing I've blocked out. Tell me about this,
Speaker 2: how this was you had you almost married Catherine?
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 5: And then we did remember, and then we were like, wait,
Speaker 5: that was a full season or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you story. You know what happened there when we
Speaker 3: did the brilliant time jump, which I guess in retrospect
Speaker 3: was a good move to reset everything. Wasn't a good
Speaker 3: move for me, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 4: Maybe for you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I remember the time. I hated it, and
Speaker 3: I guess you know, they were sort of stuck maybe,
Speaker 3: but we you find out, of course they wanted and
Speaker 3: also it gave them we weren't the main storyline, but
Speaker 3: it gave them a chance to take get us apart
Speaker 3: and then put us back together and one of the
Speaker 3: I think it was Larry shaw I'm also still in
Speaker 3: touch with the director. It was one of our direct
Speaker 3: full time directors. We love Larry, we do, which why
Speaker 3: his takes. I love David Grossman, but shout out to
Speaker 3: Larry Shawton. Yeah, well there were so many. I mean,
Speaker 3: we had great directors.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 3: But we talked about that too, that they just, you know,
Speaker 3: they put us together and then now what do we do?
Speaker 3: And it gave them a chance to break us up
Speaker 3: and start us over. So what happened was we broke
Speaker 3: up and found out we'd been in that horrible wreck
Speaker 3: and those people had died, and as it often does,
Speaker 3: that broke us up. And so when we come back
Speaker 3: from the time jump, we're divorced and Catherine has come
Speaker 3: to the town and we I don't remember where we met,
Speaker 3: but we're talking about bad dates and we ended up
Speaker 3: hitting it off. And so yeah, and I'm the same
Speaker 3: way with you, and I think of the show, it's
Speaker 3: my consusan. It was almost a season with Dana, who
Speaker 3: was wonderful by the way, and was fantastic, but it ended,
Speaker 3: if you remember, with her getting me to hand her
Speaker 3: a knife in my kitchen. And I pick up the knife.
Speaker 3: Am I spoiling here? No? No, no, people have seen it.
Speaker 3: And so I pick up the knife and give it
Speaker 3: to her and she stabs herself with it with my
Speaker 3: fingerprints on it, and calls the cops to send me
Speaker 3: to jail, to frame me for trying to kill her,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what up? So I grab her and
Speaker 3: I pull the knife out and I'm holding a knife
Speaker 3: and then she's calling the cops and it was really intense.
Speaker 3: So I went to jail.
Speaker 2: All because I showed that I wasn't in.
Speaker 3: Because I told her I was. I told her I
Speaker 3: was in love with you. I said no, you know,
Speaker 3: I realized it's because we kept seeing each other. And
Speaker 3: I said, I'm still in love with Susan. And so
Speaker 3: that's how she ended it was to try to get me,
Speaker 3: and she succeeded in sending me to jail, framing me
Speaker 3: for her own.
Speaker 2: Well, I told you pretty good story.
Speaker 3: There's also a scene with Dana that we did completely naked.
Speaker 4: You weird.
Speaker 3: We were all we were busted on a security camera
Speaker 3: and Breeze TV kitchen. Remember she had the kitchen where
Speaker 3: she was like doing a clicking show or something and
Speaker 3: she had cameras in there, and Catherine and I were
Speaker 3: at Bree's house and we ended up like having sex
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. It was on a black and white camera.
Speaker 3: It was like that. We never got to do that.
Speaker 2: We got robbed.
Speaker 3: I know. We did.
Speaker 1: Some pretty other sexy scenes. I must say, when they
Speaker 1: first sleep together. That is a sexy scene a white camera,
Speaker 1: but it.
Speaker 2: Was when missus simultaneously being murdered. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other one was like on grainy security camp. So
Speaker 3: it wasn't really saying, but I was remembering this as
Speaker 3: we're talking about it, because you're right, it kind of
Speaker 3: comes back to you because I forgot that season completely
Speaker 3: when mc donna was.
Speaker 2: Honestly don't even remember. I mean I do remember being
Speaker 2: out in the woods.
Speaker 3: Neil thinks that you you killed his wife in the
Speaker 3: car wreck, so he's trying to kill get me back
Speaker 3: by killing you, okay, and that's why he sets us
Speaker 3: up and we have a big car crash.
Speaker 5: So much happens on the sho Jimmy, I'm amazed at
Speaker 5: your memory recall because Terry and I are constantly telling
Speaker 5: each other like, don't know, don't remember this, don't remember that.
Speaker 3: It was all. Since I decided to do this, I
Speaker 3: thought I've got to refresh myself a little bit, and
Speaker 3: so I thought, okay, what was the story with Dana?
Speaker 3: Went back and then the story with Nicolette where Edie
Speaker 3: convinces me that Susan's bitch and she's been mean to you.
Speaker 3: And you know you were with me when you had
Speaker 3: the accident.
Speaker 2: So when you're like in a colmab, I wake up.
Speaker 3: And she's the first one there and she convinces me.
Speaker 3: This tells me this whole story. So when you come in,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you were mean to me and I'm
Speaker 3: with Eatie now and You're like, what right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can we go back?
Speaker 5: Because I'm now I'm just I'm so invested in learning
Speaker 5: a little bit more about this call sheet situation.
Speaker 3: I'm invested to yeah can you Yeah.
Speaker 5: So you teased that there was some issues around the
Speaker 5: number five on the call sheet thing, Well.
Speaker 3: It tells you a little bit about and this sounds
Speaker 3: like kind of self aggrandizing, is not at all. I
Speaker 3: actually came up in court when I was on the
Speaker 3: witness stand.
Speaker 2: Can you we need to hear? Is this is this? Though?
Speaker 2: When Nikola, Nichola Ry and I got called her allegedly
Speaker 2: hitting allegedly hitting her.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Edie sued march Cherry, which everyone knows, saying
Speaker 3: that he hit her like demonstrating a scene. And so
Speaker 3: I got called to testify because I worked that day,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it happened, but I was on set.
Speaker 3: I was the only actor that got called, and I
Speaker 3: found on later. I didn't have to go, but you know,
Speaker 3: Disney has been good to me. I've been working for
Speaker 3: them for thirteen years at that point. And then their
Speaker 3: attorney asked me to go and just say what happened.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll do that. Didn't. Nicholette was not
Speaker 3: happy with me, and I understand that from her perspective,
Speaker 3: but so that was really hard to be on the
Speaker 3: stand and have Mark Cherrie at one table in front
Speaker 3: of me and Nicolete at the other table and then
Speaker 3: both just glaring at me. What are you going to say?
Speaker 3: But what happened was they claimed that Nicolette's death was
Speaker 3: unusual because nobody's ever killed anybody that high on a
Speaker 3: call sheet before that. She was not some you know,
Speaker 3: she was number six on the call sheet. Nobody ever
Speaker 3: kills those characters. There are other, you know, tertiary characters
Speaker 3: and that never ever happens. And George Perkins took the
Speaker 3: stand and said, well, it's Sunday night, Mike Gelfino dies
Speaker 3: and he's number five, And that's how people found out
Speaker 3: that I was dying on the show Friday before it
Speaker 3: aired on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: George Perkins was on the stand and he had to say,
Speaker 3: that's that's not true because Michaelfino's number five and he
Speaker 3: diesed after tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So that was a bummer And luckily not a lot
Speaker 3: of people saw it. It was in there. They put it
Speaker 3: on the next day on Saturday, so it did come out.
Speaker 3: But that was how it came up that I was
Speaker 3: number five on the call sheet because it was the
Speaker 3: four women, and then Delfino was the next guy because
Speaker 3: they weren't sure. They knew I was going to be
Speaker 3: your love interest, but they weren't positive that you and
Speaker 3: I were going to get together and stay together. I
Speaker 3: was just going to be this mysterious guy, the one
Speaker 3: single guy. So it was the great It was the
Speaker 3: best role, I mean, aside from working with you, And
Speaker 3: that's why I was number five. Then Nicolette was six
Speaker 3: and Steve Cope with seven and Ricardo's eight. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so that was it became an issue in court. Wow, right, weird.
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, imagine if social media had been what
Speaker 5: it is now today, like that it ran in the
Speaker 5: La Times and then that's that, but like it would
Speaker 5: have been everywhere and spoiled that huge.
Speaker 3: Somehow, there were not completely no, there were a lot
Speaker 3: of people that and some people didn't believe it, but
Speaker 3: it was still hinted at it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, in a way, I feel like some
Speaker 1: people and he dies tomorrow night, like as a big
Speaker 1: headline to tune it.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I know, it really is so but
Speaker 3: George didn't really have a choice, didn't think and you
Speaker 3: know he's on the nicest guy. George Perkins is one
Speaker 3: of our producers. Yeah, but yeah, that's how that laid out.
Speaker 3: So it seems like forever ago. Yeah, you escaped that
Speaker 3: you didn't have to. I was the only actor that
Speaker 3: had to go in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know any of the actors went in. Wow.
Speaker 2: I just I could say, and I just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we should go there or not.
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's hard.
Speaker 3: That's one thing I've noticed listening to you guys, is
Speaker 3: how I mean. We weren't all best friends by any means.
Speaker 3: Everybody's impossible in a cast that big, but you're so
Speaker 3: respectful to everybody. If you didn't like all of these
Speaker 3: people very much, I would never know it. And you
Speaker 3: hear all the bs you know about what happened behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, but well talented people, I don't not.
Speaker 2: I don't not like anybody, and I have never seen
Speaker 2: no one has ever heard me say anything negative about
Speaker 2: any of them, because I haven't because it's not who
Speaker 2: I am, and it's also not what I do.
Speaker 3: In the same way, I have great memories and experiences
Speaker 3: with with everybody, particularly the women. They're all brilliant, which
Speaker 3: is why the show was listening.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were all and that's what we keep saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially like these guys joke with me all
Speaker 2: the time about being obsessed with Marshall so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I oh my god, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 5: And as we're rewatching, Terry and I are sharing, obviously
Speaker 5: the memories that we have behind the scenes, and we're
Speaker 5: so enjoying getting to hear Emerson's take on it as
Speaker 5: a writer and a director. And we don't talk as
Speaker 5: much about the the other dynamics around the show because honestly,
Speaker 5: for one, there's so many different perspectives and we can't
Speaker 5: speak for other people's perspective. We can share our own
Speaker 5: stories and our own personal feelings and when there were
Speaker 5: good days and bad days and things like that.
Speaker 4: But we do so love watching how good everyone is.
Speaker 5: I mean, and there is so much to comment on
Speaker 5: when it comes to that, because we were so lucky,
Speaker 5: the three of us to have been on this show.
Speaker 4: You two more than me and then me and this
Speaker 4: you know, as a thirteen to twenty two year old, like,
Speaker 4: we were so lucky to be on a show this great.
Speaker 4: And and yeah, I just it's so nice to have
Speaker 4: you here and get to hear all of your experiences
Speaker 4: and just yeah, I guess I just also want to
Speaker 4: knowledge how great you are.
Speaker 2: And you don't have any like specific memories of scenes
Speaker 2: with the three of us, like the walking in the wood.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say before we leave that topic, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I will go I do, but in defense of all
Speaker 3: of the women, And I say that because you guys
Speaker 3: were in the spotlight that you had and Nicola included
Speaker 3: not in Vanessa and Dana so much because they were
Speaker 3: later in the beginning, it was clear this was a
Speaker 3: monster hit. It was the number one show in the
Speaker 3: world I think in O five, o six, and we
Speaker 3: were all none of us were kids, you know, and
Speaker 3: I think everyone felt a pressure to capitalize on it
Speaker 3: and make the most of it, and every press avail
Speaker 3: and every photo shoot and every magazine mattered. And so
Speaker 3: I think when people and people snipe at the women
Speaker 3: and they do withing like oh tell me what the
Speaker 3: cat fights? How was I'm like, you know, these were
Speaker 3: five brilliant actresses who were really kind of in the
Speaker 3: role of their lifetimes, and they needed to not let
Speaker 3: it slip by, and so you had you had to
Speaker 3: be really aware of all of those things, which I
Speaker 3: think kind of fed some of the misinformation and in
Speaker 3: faux competition and that bs.
Speaker 2: All I know though, is I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: that I did approach it that way because I was
Speaker 2: the only one without a personal publicist, I know, So
Speaker 2: that that should tell you right there that I actually
Speaker 2: was the only one not going let me get the
Speaker 2: cover of the magazine, let me get the whatever, because
Speaker 2: I was the one going, you know, I just still
Speaker 2: want to do the game. I'm just not going to
Speaker 2: do a personal publicist. I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be more get more than anybody else. Like
Speaker 2: if I had the agenda of being like wanting to
Speaker 2: be the one or whatever I had, the first thing
Speaker 2: I would have done was hire the most kick ass
Speaker 2: publicist in Los Angeles. And I went the other way.
Speaker 5: What does that say, I mean, you stand by that
Speaker 5: now in retrospect, do you think, yeah, Oh, I thought.
Speaker 2: It was a mistake because I think I got hammered.
Speaker 2: I think I think what I didn't realize is that
Speaker 2: by taking my voice out of it, I let everyone
Speaker 2: else's voice just narrate the whole thing and I had
Speaker 2: nobody narrating my story because I chose not to. But
Speaker 2: I got pretty creamed by that, I think. But you know,
Speaker 2: again brings you back to you look in the mirror.
Speaker 2: You know who you are, You have people that you know,
Speaker 2: plenty of people that were there that validate the truth,
Speaker 2: and you know, I still just I still I just
Speaker 2: I just love the fact that we all got to
Speaker 2: do the show, and I love how good everybody was
Speaker 2: in it, and I love that I was a part
Speaker 2: of it, and am I sad that like it wasn't
Speaker 2: just like some flawless love fest or whatever, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be better, I guess. But like I said,
Speaker 2: there were so many things at play, most of which
Speaker 2: none of us had anything to do with. A primary
Speaker 2: thing for me that doesn't get counted really at all
Speaker 2: is that I was the only single mom at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, who had custody issues that were at play.
Speaker 2: That was a big priority to me. Maybe that's why
Speaker 2: I didn't get a publicist, because I just wanted to
Speaker 2: go to work, be a good actor, be the best Susan,
Speaker 2: and then go home and be the best mom.
Speaker 4: Well that you achieved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I really cared about. Yeah, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, I go back to wishing everybody well,
Speaker 2: and I really really mean that. You know, every time
Speaker 2: I see anybody have any like positive thing, I'm happy
Speaker 2: for them. Yeah. Yeah, what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you working on now? Are you working on
Speaker 1: anything that you want to tell?
Speaker 3: Music? I do, yeah, not as much.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The band kind of went away, but that's because we
Speaker 3: were all on TV shows. There were head shows, and
Speaker 3: then we all kind of scattered.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, were we not all four of us,
Speaker 2: not just all three of us, all four of us.
Speaker 2: Were we not singing a song on West Suria Lane
Speaker 2: with the band from TV?
Speaker 3: We were the finale party.
Speaker 2: We were wasn't it that song? That country Western Martina McBride? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: what is that song?
Speaker 4: Oh God, it's.
Speaker 5: About three generomen and that's why we picked it. Yes,
Speaker 5: we each took a verse and there's some adorable This
Speaker 5: one's for the girls had a broken.
Speaker 2: Yes, you had a broken hats.
Speaker 3: That's a whole We'll have to have you back for
Speaker 3: to talk about the whole. Other podcast it's on American Idol.
Speaker 3: And you had one hundred and four degree fever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that too.
Speaker 3: So we had a lot of those stories.
Speaker 5: And and then because you know we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 5: wrap everything up, and we'd ask you if you had
Speaker 5: any specific standout memories or moments from I think Terry.
Speaker 4: Were you asking about the three of us or some
Speaker 4: sort of yeah.
Speaker 2: Or any like your favorite scene in the whole? I
Speaker 2: mean you talked about loving the death scene because of
Speaker 2: the squibs.
Speaker 3: No, no, I think one of the best, the most
Speaker 3: memorable scenes for me of us was the wedding in
Speaker 3: the woods because it was just us, right, you know,
Speaker 3: we decided we had a great engagement scene where we
Speaker 3: brought the trailer, remember, brought the trailer used to live
Speaker 3: in and set it up in your yard. I did
Speaker 3: to ask you to marry me again, and then we
Speaker 3: said to get married in the woods with just I
Speaker 3: think you just the three of us and minister right,
Speaker 3: And of course it was two am, which it always is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you were I remember it was just us there
Speaker 3: getting married and was really sweet. I think that's so sweet.
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 2: I can see that picture like it was taking me too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a close the three of.
Speaker 3: Us floating lanterns in the trees and stuff.
Speaker 4: Fair romantic. Yeah, I remember that too.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your Christmas movie. You've done
Speaker 2: a lot on Hallmark, and Hallmark is a great second
Speaker 2: home for you.
Speaker 3: And you know I went straight there when as soon
Speaker 3: as Housewives and we want to get the kids out
Speaker 3: of La so we moved to Minnesota, where their mom's
Speaker 3: family's from, and immediately Hallmark came to me and asked
Speaker 3: me to do a series in Toronto, which was right
Speaker 3: around the corner an hour and a half flight, they
Speaker 3: said I can go home every weekend, and so I
Speaker 3: got on the series called Goodwitch and was there for
Speaker 3: seven years.
Speaker 2: From Desperate Housewives for seven years to that for seven years.
Speaker 5: You're the only Housewives alum who did something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but anyway, Hallwork was really good to me.
Speaker 3: And then I started doing movies and producing movies for them,
Speaker 3: and one of what's you were kind enough to do?
Speaker 3: Because which many people? Kissed Before Christmas? What many people
Speaker 3: have told me that it's they think it's one of
Speaker 3: the best and there's so many or that it's their
Speaker 3: favorite Hallmark Christmas movie ever, So that's no small party.
Speaker 2: Well I loved it. Yeah, you should check out it.
Speaker 2: Kiss I Kissed Before Christmas. I loved it too, because
Speaker 2: it was like the only nod of Susan and Mike
Speaker 2: getting back together that we could be in control of
Speaker 2: for the fans. So, even though we were playing totally
Speaker 2: different characters and a totally different story for the fans,
Speaker 2: I felt like it was Susan and Mike getting back together. No,
Speaker 2: And so you have a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: It's called Grand ol Opy Christmas. Brad Paisley's in it.
Speaker 3: Sings in it, and it's you know, it's the only
Speaker 3: one I did. I've done a number of them, but
Speaker 3: I've been knocking around there for a while. But on
Speaker 3: that same note, I want to say, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to say this earlier about working with you, and I
Speaker 3: know this is roundabout way. When I was on Goodwitch,
Speaker 3: I had a son, and I worked with a couple
Speaker 3: of more young people, and I learned from you at
Speaker 3: the beginning of talking about being a professional, about not
Speaker 3: bringing sides to set, and you would never bring your side.
Speaker 3: You came to set memorized, and I never seen that before.
Speaker 3: And I'd been around a while and there was like
Speaker 3: you just because you were ready. I thought, that's great
Speaker 3: because you have so much more time to rehearse. And
Speaker 3: I've passed that along and I've told every person that
Speaker 3: I learned it from you. So the kid on Goodwitch
Speaker 3: is his first job ever and now he no longer
Speaker 3: he comes to set memorized because of Terry Atcher. So anyway,
Speaker 3: that's one like that's a legacy that lives on.
Speaker 2: For well, that's a very good legacy. I do love
Speaker 2: that as a work ethic habit, mostly because you know,
Speaker 2: it allows you to have your hands free and your
Speaker 2: mind free to focus on the actual fun of it,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the physicality of bringing the scene
Speaker 2: to life and off the page. But I do understand
Speaker 2: that in television, especially on shows that we've worked on,
Speaker 2: sometimes you literally are hand in the script. I should
Speaker 2: walk onto the set, so there's no chance you can
Speaker 2: do that, but if you can, you should do it.
Speaker 2: And I do try to approach my work and.
Speaker 3: I don't judge people to do it because everybody has
Speaker 3: their own process. You have Richard Bergie who brings him
Speaker 3: to set and tapes them around the sets so you
Speaker 3: can read them. So he brings him to set while
Speaker 3: we're shooting again. But Bergie knows that cracked me up
Speaker 3: when we did that before. But when we have the
Speaker 3: scene in the doorway where he had taped his sides
Speaker 3: all around the doorframe so he would look around while
Speaker 3: he was talking and he was just reading off the
Speaker 3: brilliant and it was brilliant. It was hilarious. You never
Speaker 3: would have known, like you, sucker, I'm memorizing my lines
Speaker 3: and you're just brando like taping them everywhere but anywhere.
Speaker 3: So you were more professional, I know, giving your editor
Speaker 3: fits where he's going to put this stuff in.
Speaker 2: It's too much life. Mike is too big of are
Speaker 2: it has just one to have.
Speaker 3: Desperately devoted to Jamie Part two. Yes, when you get
Speaker 3: down the road because you're in season one now. Yes,
Speaker 3: happy to come.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. Like always, we are desperately.
Speaker 2: Jamie. We're desperately devoted to James down. Thank you for
Speaker 2: being here, thank you for eight years of fabulous work,
Speaker 2: and thank you for your friendship. And don't please