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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch.

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Speaker 2: Hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,

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Speaker 2: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. Okay, well, I

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Speaker 2: feel like we need drum rolls and all sorts of

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Speaker 2: like fireworks, we need special effects to happen, but we

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Speaker 2: actually don't need them because we actually have them in person.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that our listeners are going to be

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Speaker 2: any more excited about any guests that they are for

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Speaker 2: the person that is in the room now. I can't

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Speaker 2: even speak because I'm so nervous, I really am. I'm

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Speaker 2: like going to cry and sweat at the same time,

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Speaker 2: which is so sexy anyway. So I guess, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: there is nobody who could possibly have embodied the role

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Speaker 2: of Mike the Plumber than this wonderful man and friend

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Speaker 2: that we have here with us today. Please welcome Jamie Denton.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard for you to say, Jamie.

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Speaker 4: It's our families together.

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Speaker 3: You guys know me too well to call me James.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Desperately Devoted. We are certainly desperately

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Speaker 2: devoted to you, as are all of our listeners. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of I'm guessing. Well, it's a pleasure to

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Speaker 3: be here. And I will admit I have heard every episode.

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Speaker 4: What are you're a number one fan?

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Speaker 3: I could be, Oh my god, could be. We're not

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Speaker 3: just listening to hear what you say about me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but no, I've heard about it, but on the first one.

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Speaker 3: And you guys are really fun and it was fun

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Speaker 3: for me to relive it like it is you. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure to relive the episodes. So I just follow it

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Speaker 3: and then every week it pops up and I listen

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Speaker 3: to it. Yeah, you've even kind to me, which I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Have you Have you rewatched the show at all?

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Speaker 3: Not in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My daughter who's twenty, and all of our friends are

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Speaker 3: benching it. Oh, tell us about that, which is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Wait, because your daughter born in the first season.

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Speaker 3: She shower for there. Bob Newhart was there that day.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, was out your baby shower? That's intense.

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Speaker 3: That's a flex you through it. So yeah, she was

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Speaker 3: born in season two maybe, Yeah, But anyway, all of

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Speaker 3: her friends are watching it in college, and I was

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Speaker 3: afraid it wouldn't hold up because it is a little

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Speaker 3: bit I mean it's dated visually. I mean it was film,

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Speaker 3: which nothing is now, but it does. They love it,

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Speaker 3: and I know it's got a little TikTok resurgence I hear.

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Speaker 3: But they're, you know, their twenties and they can't stop

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Speaker 3: watching it, which is cool. She's a little bit I mean,

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Speaker 3: she's proud that her dad's Midelfino, but depending on the episode,

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit more red faced. But they're they're

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Speaker 3: loving it.

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Speaker 1: And I do think there is It is a bit

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Speaker 1: dated visually, but in a really kind of fantastic nostalgic way.

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Speaker 3: Right, because artistically it had a funny, unique look anyway,

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Speaker 3: like almost like a cartoon with a picket fance and

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Speaker 3: the you know, sort of saturated colors. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 3: it was by choice.

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Speaker 2: I love with Steria Lane, like so in love with

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Speaker 2: Mysteria Lane. I got to go back.

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Speaker 5: We got to go back in preparation for this, and

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Speaker 5: the three of us got to walk down Colonial Street

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Speaker 5: with Steria Lane and stand in front of our house

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Speaker 5: and oh, my gosh, it really is a mad house.

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Speaker 1: The same color they've repainted some of the houses, but

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Speaker 1: your house looks exactly.

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Speaker 3: That is funny. I keep meaning to go back and

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Speaker 3: I have it. Yeah, that was well. The street was

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Speaker 3: a character. We talked about that. It was one of

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Speaker 3: the characters for sure. That's all personal.

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Speaker 2: So can okay take us back to the very beginning, like,

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Speaker 2: do you remember the casting story? How did that go?

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Speaker 3: I'll try to. We have so much to cover. No,

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Speaker 3: I know you have an editor. But I was on

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Speaker 3: a show, a short lived show called Threat Matrix, and

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Speaker 3: I was so excited because I was number one for

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Speaker 3: the first time on a show. It was a terrorism show. Okay.

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Speaker 2: For people that don't know what that means, is when

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Speaker 2: you're in a show, there's a call sheet every day

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Speaker 4: I was number one on this I was number two.

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Speaker 3: You were, Yes, you were. There's a story here, which

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Speaker 3: you're going to get to later on about me being

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Speaker 3: number five. Yeah, what you made I remember, but became

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Speaker 3: an issue in court that I was number five and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get to.

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Speaker 3: So I was on the show. I got guests in

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Speaker 3: high action. That's when they made me be James because

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Speaker 3: I was so excited and a producer named Floty Suarez.

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Speaker 3: You may know him. He's done a number of sitcoms

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Speaker 3: for ABC. He said, oh, you're the guy from Threat Matrix.

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, We're sitting at a bar the

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Speaker 3: night of upfront He was, dude, sorry about that time slot.

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Speaker 3: What they put us on at eight o'clock on Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: This is high action, a lot of violence against the

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Speaker 3: final season of Friends and the first season of Survivor.

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Speaker 3: So we made it sixteen episodes, but that was it.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, cut to we get canceled early. Michael Ettelstein

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Speaker 3: on Housewives in the beginning. Yeah, we went under Mark

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Speaker 3: I want somebody who's Italian. But Michael really pushed I think,

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Speaker 3: and so thank god, so you auditioned those. So I

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Speaker 2: People would be interested to know that we didn't test

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Speaker 2: never met together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we met you after we were both cast at

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Speaker 3: from that Mike. In the audition, I did the thing

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Speaker 3: more Italian? And I was like, I'm from I'm a

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Speaker 3: they I was the only person they tested for Delphino,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, it was really unusual for a

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so to be such a big role, it

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Speaker 3: was not hard to It is an easy casting process. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, we never met, which is crazy, which is

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Speaker 5: Did you know that Terry was cast as Susan at

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Speaker 5: that point when you were testing or no, yes you did, okay,

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Speaker 3: Were you first, what do you mean cast?

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Speaker 2: No? I think I was last.

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Speaker 3: I thought I've heard you say that, which was that's

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Speaker 2: The lore that I've heard. I don't. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: They were out to you, like I think you they

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Speaker 2: Even meant anything.

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Speaker 5: But at my callback there was chatter in the waiting

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Speaker 3: But it's fascinating that nobody read together because it's such

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Speaker 3: It was they had tables were like a big u

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Speaker 3: I think, but to which would be shock because you're

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it. I'm gonta. You asked how it went.

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Speaker 3: I walked in and and you were you and you

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Speaker 3: though we're also young, but but you were smoking hot,

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Speaker 3: Terry Asher's boyfriend. And uh, that's and that's how it started.

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Speaker 3: That's how it started absolutely sincere and they so we

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So it was like a handshake and nice to

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was like because I knew

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was important. I think I think

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Speaker 3: But the product is.

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Speaker 2: And one of the tricks that I always had with

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Speaker 3: In the beginning, I remember, Oh, there's nice of you

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Speaker 3: I it was all about cifically and I won't repeat it.

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Speaker 5: But it also just made me feel so much love

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Speaker 3: You know, kids are so perceptive.

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Speaker 1: But I have always felt towards you, or any stories

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Speaker 3: Well, that's really sweet. I appreciate it. And I felt

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Speaker 3: it was not about I was a passenger on the train,

439
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,159
Speaker 3: but it was. It made me feel a little more valuable.

440
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 3: But it felt like I that we kind of we

441
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 3: kind of pulled each other through some of that junk together.

442
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 2: Well, it brings me to a couple of things. One

443
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 2: thing that we have noticed in rewatching, certainly the first season,

444
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 2: which is where we still are in, is how important

445
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 2: the men are in the show, and that we feel

446
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 2: they didn't get their due at the time because all

447
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 2: the press was around Housewives. You all were so great,

448
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: and to that end, I'm wondering if you how much

449
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: did you know about the journey of Mike, how much

450
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: of it continued to be written like basically in real

451
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 2: time and you sort of bobbed and weaved, like did

452
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: you know you were arrested for drugs? So all of

453
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: these neither yeah, er, So all of these things like

454
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: popped up as it was going along.

455
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 3: And I've heard you talk about that how you just

456
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 3: have to sort of do the most rep you can

457
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 3: and know as much as you can and be ready

458
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 3: to kind of roll with that because you know, we

459
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: get pages the morning off at the end. So all

460
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: of that stuff in Delphino's background, I just knew there

461
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 3: was a lot of shady stuff. They kept assuring me

462
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 3: that he's not a bad guy, and that helped.

463
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: That was kind of always at the base.

464
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: They'd tell you that he's not a bad guy. He

465
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: saw all the stuff about the murders, and you find

466
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 3: out there was a good motive. There's a reason that

467
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,719
Speaker 3: he killed the person. And so it was always an

468
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 3: explanation for why Delphino did something that seemed shady. So

469
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: I had that to kind of hang on too, that

470
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: my motives were never nefarious. But other than that, I

471
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 3: didn't know a whole lot. But speaking of the Men,

472
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this because I've said it before, and

473
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: I heard Doug Savant's episode and the men not being

474
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: appreciated the fact that Doug Savant didn't win an Emmy

475
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 3: or a Golden Globe or something for that show. They

476
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: shouldn't even give him out. He was brilliant in a

477
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: couple of those seasons. And I heard you. I was

478
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: so glad you pointed it out, because he was always

479
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 3: underappreciated because it wasn't a regular it was a guest star,

480
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: and he was underpaid. And then he slowly they brought

481
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: him along. But the stuff he was asked to do

482
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: I thought was tougher. I mean, I was just me.

483
00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: I had to pick up truck and a doll.

484
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: Again.

485
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: I'll fix things, I just do it at home because

486
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 3: I know Doug's been on the show and I told

487
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: him that and he just blushed and laughed. But it's true.

488
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: I thought he and Ricardo was fantastic too, But Tom

489
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 3: Scavo was a fantastic character, and I thought he killed it.

490
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: I think it was a very underrated character because it

491
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: was so tricky, because he could have just been such

492
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: a jerk, and he found some sort of I don't know,

493
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: loving vulnerability layered thing.

494
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 5: But talk about not aging well, because apparently there's a

495
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 5: lot of hate for him on TikTok.

496
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: And not for Eva for making her daughter run behind

497
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 3: the car. I think he is interesting.

498
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 5: We have issues with Gaddy and Gallas, the storyline in

499
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 5: the first season a lot, and John the Gardner, obviously I.

500
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: Have a question speaking of I mean, obviously Mike's like

501
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: grounded character, the fact that you always knew that you

502
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: were a good guy. There's obviously more serious undertones, but

503
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: I feel like Mike and Susan how a lot of

504
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: incredible physical comedy together as well. I mean, I'm thinking

505
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: about even the scene when Susan falls through the floor

506
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: in the first season and yeah, Mike comes up the

507
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: stairs and like, do you have any fun favorite moments

508
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: from how much physical comedy the two of you ended

509
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: up getting into together over the season summer.

510
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: There was so much and that was a great one,

511
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: being stuck in the floor, and then of course when

512
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: you were naked blocked outside in the bushes, because that was.

513
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: Early days, it was very absolute.

514
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was filming that seemed like, well, you know exactly.

515
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: I heard you guys talk about it when when you

516
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: watched it, and it was you know, it's one of

517
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: those days where you know, I think, oh, we're girl,

518
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough day because you're out there

519
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 3: naked all day and you had a little bit of

520
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: tape on and you were like, yo, let's you know,

521
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to look fake. So you had it

522
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: as little as possible and you didn't tell the crew

523
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: like here it is everybody, and luckily, luckily had a

524
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: great crew and they pretended not to stare at you

525
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: all day. But then I had the scene where you

526
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 3: fall in the bushes and I have to walk by

527
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: and really tend not to look at you and go, oh,

528
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: so you're fell in the bushes. A little look down

529
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: at you and you cross your legs. But then later

530
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: it sets up my favorite scene in the entire eight years,

531
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: which is when I walk you home that night after

532
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: the dinner a breeze and I say, by the way,

533
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't that much of a gentleman. You got blushed

534
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: and I started to walk away, and I said, for

535
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: what it's worth.

536
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

537
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my favorite scene in the entire series, just

538
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: because it was set up and it was so true,

539
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: and it was like and shooting that had been so

540
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: much fun, and like you say, it's really an iconic scene.

541
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 3: I think, probably maybe the most in the series.

542
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I might challenge you and jump all the

543
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 2: way to the end with the other iconic scene and

544
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: surprising scene and horrible scene in my opinion, which was

545
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: Mike's death. So tell us about what you knew about that,

546
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: how that came up for you, and what you remember

547
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: about shooting it.

548
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: No, I've told the story about shooting it a lot, well,

549
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: but two reporters at the time, And I think, but

550
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: fun fact that hear you talk about always God, that's

551
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: your that's your necklace, mom, those are your clothes. I

552
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: had these boots on when my Golfino was killed. He

553
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: was killed in these boots oh wow. In fact, they

554
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: still had they had some of Dougie's sticky black stuff

555
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: on him. Yeah, sound and you could see it when

556
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: the crane pulled back on lying their dead you could

557
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: see the sound pads on my boot, I know, but

558
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: nobody knew what that was except me. They called me

559
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: in when they decided to do it, which they didn't

560
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: need to do, which I thought was really sweet, and

561
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: Mark said, look, we need to do something huge with

562
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: four or five to go before the finale. Everybody knows

563
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: the finale will be big. We want to blow people

564
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: away with about five to go, and we think we might.

565
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: We want to kill Delfino. And of course they had decided.

566
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: He wasn't asking my permission, but he framed it that way,

567
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: which I thought was very respectful and very nice. And

568
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 3: it really was great for me at the time because

569
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: I was all shows produced, so I got paid anyway,

570
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: and the next one was my funeral, and then at

571
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: the end it was as a ghost. So technically getting

572
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: killed is always fun because of the special effects. You know,

573
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: you have one electric wire up one leg and a

574
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: tube of blood up the other leg, and you had

575
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: literally a charge of dynamite which blasts you against the

576
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: door in the play, so it's fun as a guy

577
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: to get killed. So all those things, I thought, no,

578
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: this is fine. I got to go do Ellen and

579
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: the View and Lenno and all the talk shows. And

580
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: because Delfino got this big sind Off and all the

581
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: other guys just faded away into boredom. That was my

582
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: first and that was my first instinct when I heard

583
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: they were going to do it, I had no reluctance whatsoever.

584
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: I thought, this'll be cool. I didn't think about what

585
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: it did to Susan and what it did to the viewers,

586
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: and pretty quickly I learned, you know, the problem with

587
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: it is the obvious one. Then when those people drive

588
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: when they drive away, you guys drive away in the

589
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: moving van from Asteria Lane, where Susan going? And why

590
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: doesn't Susan get to be happy? And people care? Now

591
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: that I've watched shows and gotten more attached to him,

592
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: like you kind of it's silly, but you think about

593
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: what happened to him afterwards.

594
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: With singularly my one reason why there's no reboot. I mean,

595
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: I'm there are a million reasons why there hasn't been

596
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: a reboot, but it would be the reason that I

597
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what Susan's what? What? What would anybody

598
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: want to see? Like maybe Susan wouldn't be in the reboot.

599
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. No fans would want to see Susan

600
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: now with a new love of her life, right, No,

601
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: nobody wants to see that. So nobody really wants to

602
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: see Susan just old and decrepit with older children. Nobody

603
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: wants to see that. Like is Susan and Nun somewhere

604
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: like doing charity? Like I mean, nobody wants to see it.

605
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 5: We floated the idea of Susan and Eadie developing a

606
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 5: romantic relationship.

607
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: That's that's a different show. That Susan and Eadie are

608
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: both single and have had whack a doodle lives and

609
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: they hated each other, but now they have to live together,

610
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: and so what happens when they do. I think there's

611
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: a show in that for sure. If anyone's listening, I

612
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: have to say.

613
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: I have to jump back to Mike's death because I

614
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: remember very distinctly the day that you shot that scene.

615
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, and I you know, was a teenager

616
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: then I was like sixteen, So memories more formed, and

617
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I remember you coming home at the end of the

618
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: day and you were I'm going to tear up.

619
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: You were wrecked.

620
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: And I remember you trying to explain to me what

621
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: that feeling is like, and you said, you know, I know,

622
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I can know in my mind, like this is fake

623
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: and I'm an actor and I am in a scene,

624
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: but your body doesn't know. And you were like, and

625
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I just spent eight hours in my body feeling like

626
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: the love of my life was dying. And it really

627
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: I think about that now, even as like a or

628
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: and a director, when you think about the positions you

629
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: put your actors in, having not to say you don't

630
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: do that. You know, it's a great that you don't

631
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: have great storylines and great tragedies, but that you're asking

632
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: humans to go to this place in their bodies and

633
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: then live there. And I just, I really, actually distinctly

634
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: remember the day that you shot that death scene and

635
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: how hard that was.

636
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: I believe that she was like that when she came home,

637
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: because that's when I realized shooting it is that we

638
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: knew for a while, they told me weeks before, but

639
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: then shooting it, I realized, oh, because it was so heartbreaking.

640
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: And I've said this before too. You were so watching

641
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: and you had to do it over and over and

642
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: over in the crane pulling back and you are lying

643
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: in your lap and bleeding out and you just sobbing uncontrollably,

644
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: and I remember lying there thinking this sucked. No, like

645
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: this sucks because this is like, this is real to people.

646
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: To viewers, you know, would thought like, oh, fun like

647
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: theater before, and I thought about the logistics and the

648
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 3: money and the talk shows and the exit. And then

649
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm lying there in your lap and you are sobbing

650
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: uncontrollably and it was so heartbreaking, and I was like, oh, and.

651
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: I think you're right.

652
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people feel like why did

653
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: that have to happen to Susan?

654
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: You know, like, why why did it go?

655
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, I know it was weird. I know it

656
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: wasn't I mean, I assume it wasn't meant to be right,

657
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: but it sure felt like you were sending her character

658
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: to a real unhappiness, and you know, she had you

659
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: had to do Gray Scott and the other Gail. You

660
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: had different boyfriends and stuff, and people loved it because

661
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: you're funny and they were you know, get to fish

662
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: you out of the get you, fish you out of

663
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: the pond, do Gray? But so you could have had

664
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: another boyfriend.

665
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: But you know, I have completely blocked all of that out,

666
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: like you, it will be really interesting to as we

667
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: go further into the episodes to see that come to life.

668
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: I have blocked all of this out. Wow, Like I

669
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: only live within the memory of Susan and Mike, and

670
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 2: so the other thing I've blocked out. Tell me about this,

671
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: how this was you had you almost married Catherine?

672
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, I don't remember.

673
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 5: And then we did remember, and then we were like, wait,

674
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 5: that was a full season or something.

675
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you story. You know what happened there when we

676
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: did the brilliant time jump, which I guess in retrospect

677
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 3: was a good move to reset everything. Wasn't a good

678
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: move for me, I'll tell you that much.

679
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: Maybe for you guys.

680
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I remember the time. I hated it, and

681
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: I guess you know, they were sort of stuck maybe,

682
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: but we you find out, of course they wanted and

683
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: also it gave them we weren't the main storyline, but

684
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: it gave them a chance to take get us apart

685
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: and then put us back together and one of the

686
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: I think it was Larry shaw I'm also still in

687
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: touch with the director. It was one of our direct

688
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: full time directors. We love Larry, we do, which why

689
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: his takes. I love David Grossman, but shout out to

690
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: Larry Shawton. Yeah, well there were so many. I mean,

691
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: we had great directors.

692
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: We did.

693
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: But we talked about that too, that they just, you know,

694
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: they put us together and then now what do we do?

695
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: And it gave them a chance to break us up

696
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: and start us over. So what happened was we broke

697
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: up and found out we'd been in that horrible wreck

698
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: and those people had died, and as it often does,

699
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: that broke us up. And so when we come back

700
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: from the time jump, we're divorced and Catherine has come

701
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: to the town and we I don't remember where we met,

702
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: but we're talking about bad dates and we ended up

703
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: hitting it off. And so yeah, and I'm the same

704
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: way with you, and I think of the show, it's

705
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: my consusan. It was almost a season with Dana, who

706
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: was wonderful by the way, and was fantastic, but it ended,

707
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: if you remember, with her getting me to hand her

708
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: a knife in my kitchen. And I pick up the knife.

709
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: Am I spoiling here? No? No, no, people have seen it.

710
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: And so I pick up the knife and give it

711
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: to her and she stabs herself with it with my

712
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: fingerprints on it, and calls the cops to send me

713
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: to jail, to frame me for trying to kill her,

714
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what up? So I grab her and

715
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: I pull the knife out and I'm holding a knife

716
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: and then she's calling the cops and it was really intense.

717
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: So I went to jail.

718
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: All because I showed that I wasn't in.

719
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Because I told her I was. I told her I

720
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: was in love with you. I said no, you know,

721
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: I realized it's because we kept seeing each other. And

722
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: I said, I'm still in love with Susan. And so

723
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: that's how she ended it was to try to get me,

724
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: and she succeeded in sending me to jail, framing me

725
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: for her own.

726
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: Well, I told you pretty good story.

727
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: There's also a scene with Dana that we did completely naked.

728
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: You weird.

729
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: We were all we were busted on a security camera

730
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: and Breeze TV kitchen. Remember she had the kitchen where

731
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: she was like doing a clicking show or something and

732
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: she had cameras in there, and Catherine and I were

733
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: at Bree's house and we ended up like having sex

734
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. It was on a black and white camera.

735
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: It was like that. We never got to do that.

736
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: We got robbed.

737
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: I know. We did.

738
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: Some pretty other sexy scenes. I must say, when they

739
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: first sleep together. That is a sexy scene a white camera,

740
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: but it.

741
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Was when missus simultaneously being murdered. Yes. Yeah.

742
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: The other one was like on grainy security camp. So

743
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't really saying, but I was remembering this as

744
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: we're talking about it, because you're right, it kind of

745
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: comes back to you because I forgot that season completely

746
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: when mc donna was.

747
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: Honestly don't even remember. I mean I do remember being

748
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: out in the woods.

749
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Neil thinks that you you killed his wife in the

750
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: car wreck, so he's trying to kill get me back

751
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: by killing you, okay, and that's why he sets us

752
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: up and we have a big car crash.

753
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: So much happens on the sho Jimmy, I'm amazed at

754
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 5: your memory recall because Terry and I are constantly telling

755
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: each other like, don't know, don't remember this, don't remember that.

756
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: It was all. Since I decided to do this, I

757
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: thought I've got to refresh myself a little bit, and

758
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: so I thought, okay, what was the story with Dana?

759
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: Went back and then the story with Nicolette where Edie

760
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: convinces me that Susan's bitch and she's been mean to you.

761
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: And you know you were with me when you had

762
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: the accident.

763
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: So when you're like in a colmab, I wake up.

764
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: And she's the first one there and she convinces me.

765
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: This tells me this whole story. So when you come in,

766
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you were mean to me and I'm

767
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: with Eatie now and You're like, what right? Yeah?

768
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: Can we go back?

769
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: Because I'm now I'm just I'm so invested in learning

770
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 5: a little bit more about this call sheet situation.

771
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm invested to yeah can you Yeah.

772
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: So you teased that there was some issues around the

773
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: number five on the call sheet thing, Well.

774
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: It tells you a little bit about and this sounds

775
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: like kind of self aggrandizing, is not at all. I

776
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: actually came up in court when I was on the

777
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: witness stand.

778
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: Can you we need to hear? Is this is this? Though?

779
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: When Nikola, Nichola Ry and I got called her allegedly

780
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: hitting allegedly hitting her.

781
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so Edie sued march Cherry, which everyone knows, saying

782
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: that he hit her like demonstrating a scene. And so

783
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: I got called to testify because I worked that day,

784
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: I didn't see it happened, but I was on set.

785
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: I was the only actor that got called, and I

786
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: found on later. I didn't have to go, but you know,

787
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: Disney has been good to me. I've been working for

788
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: them for thirteen years at that point. And then their

789
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: attorney asked me to go and just say what happened.

790
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll do that. Didn't. Nicholette was not

791
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: happy with me, and I understand that from her perspective,

792
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: but so that was really hard to be on the

793
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: stand and have Mark Cherrie at one table in front

794
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: of me and Nicolete at the other table and then

795
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: both just glaring at me. What are you going to say?

796
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: But what happened was they claimed that Nicolette's death was

797
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: unusual because nobody's ever killed anybody that high on a

798
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: call sheet before that. She was not some you know,

799
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: she was number six on the call sheet. Nobody ever

800
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: kills those characters. There are other, you know, tertiary characters

801
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: and that never ever happens. And George Perkins took the

802
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: stand and said, well, it's Sunday night, Mike Gelfino dies

803
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: and he's number five, And that's how people found out

804
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: that I was dying on the show Friday before it

805
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: aired on Sunday.

806
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

807
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: George Perkins was on the stand and he had to say,

808
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: that's that's not true because Michaelfino's number five and he

809
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: diesed after tomorrow.

810
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: Wow.

811
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: So that was a bummer And luckily not a lot

812
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: of people saw it. It was in there. They put it

813
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: on the next day on Saturday, so it did come out.

814
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: But that was how it came up that I was

815
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: number five on the call sheet because it was the

816
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: four women, and then Delfino was the next guy because

817
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: they weren't sure. They knew I was going to be

818
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: your love interest, but they weren't positive that you and

819
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: I were going to get together and stay together. I

820
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: was just going to be this mysterious guy, the one

821
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: single guy. So it was the great It was the

822
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: best role, I mean, aside from working with you, And

823
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: that's why I was number five. Then Nicolette was six

824
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: and Steve Cope with seven and Ricardo's eight. But anyway,

825
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: so that was it became an issue in court. Wow, right, weird.

826
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, imagine if social media had been what

827
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: it is now today, like that it ran in the

828
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 5: La Times and then that's that, but like it would

829
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: have been everywhere and spoiled that huge.

830
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: Somehow, there were not completely no, there were a lot

831
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: of people that and some people didn't believe it, but

832
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: it was still hinted at it.

833
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, in a way, I feel like some

834
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: people and he dies tomorrow night, like as a big

835
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: headline to tune it.

836
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I know, it really is so but

837
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: George didn't really have a choice, didn't think and you

838
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: know he's on the nicest guy. George Perkins is one

839
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: of our producers. Yeah, but yeah, that's how that laid out.

840
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: So it seems like forever ago. Yeah, you escaped that

841
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: you didn't have to. I was the only actor that

842
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: had to go in there.

843
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know any of the actors went in. Wow.

844
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: I just I could say, and I just like, I

845
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: don't know if we should go there or not.

846
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's hard.

847
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: That's one thing I've noticed listening to you guys, is

848
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: how I mean. We weren't all best friends by any means.

849
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: Everybody's impossible in a cast that big, but you're so

850
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: respectful to everybody. If you didn't like all of these

851
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: people very much, I would never know it. And you

852
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: hear all the bs you know about what happened behind

853
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: the scenes, but well talented people, I don't not.

854
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: I don't not like anybody, and I have never seen

855
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: no one has ever heard me say anything negative about

856
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: any of them, because I haven't because it's not who

857
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: I am, and it's also not what I do.

858
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: In the same way, I have great memories and experiences

859
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: with with everybody, particularly the women. They're all brilliant, which

860
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 3: is why the show was listening.

861
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they were all and that's what we keep saying.

862
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: I mean, especially like these guys joke with me all

863
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: the time about being obsessed with Marshall so good.

864
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I oh my god, Yeah, it's true.

865
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: And as we're rewatching, Terry and I are sharing, obviously

866
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 5: the memories that we have behind the scenes, and we're

867
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: so enjoying getting to hear Emerson's take on it as

868
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 5: a writer and a director. And we don't talk as

869
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: much about the the other dynamics around the show because honestly,

870
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 5: for one, there's so many different perspectives and we can't

871
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: speak for other people's perspective. We can share our own

872
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: stories and our own personal feelings and when there were

873
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 5: good days and bad days and things like that.

874
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: But we do so love watching how good everyone is.

875
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 5: I mean, and there is so much to comment on

876
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 5: when it comes to that, because we were so lucky,

877
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 5: the three of us to have been on this show.

878
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: You two more than me and then me and this

879
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: you know, as a thirteen to twenty two year old, like,

880
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: we were so lucky to be on a show this great.

881
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: And and yeah, I just it's so nice to have

882
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: you here and get to hear all of your experiences

883
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: and just yeah, I guess I just also want to

884
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: knowledge how great you are.

885
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: And you don't have any like specific memories of scenes

886
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: with the three of us, like the walking in the wood.

887
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say before we leave that topic, Yeah,

888
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: I will go I do, but in defense of all

889
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: of the women, And I say that because you guys

890
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 3: were in the spotlight that you had and Nicola included

891
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: not in Vanessa and Dana so much because they were

892
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: later in the beginning, it was clear this was a

893
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: monster hit. It was the number one show in the

894
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: world I think in O five, o six, and we

895
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: were all none of us were kids, you know, and

896
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: I think everyone felt a pressure to capitalize on it

897
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: and make the most of it, and every press avail

898
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: and every photo shoot and every magazine mattered. And so

899
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: I think when people and people snipe at the women

900
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: and they do withing like oh tell me what the

901
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: cat fights? How was I'm like, you know, these were

902
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: five brilliant actresses who were really kind of in the

903
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: role of their lifetimes, and they needed to not let

904
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: it slip by, and so you had you had to

905
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: be really aware of all of those things, which I

906
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: think kind of fed some of the misinformation and in

907
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: faux competition and that bs.

908
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: All I know though, is I mean, I don't know

909
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: that I did approach it that way because I was

910
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: the only one without a personal publicist, I know, So

911
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: that that should tell you right there that I actually

912
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: was the only one not going let me get the

913
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: cover of the magazine, let me get the whatever, because

914
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: I was the one going, you know, I just still

915
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: want to do the game. I'm just not going to

916
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: do a personal publicist. I don't want to. I don't

917
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: want to be more get more than anybody else. Like

918
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: if I had the agenda of being like wanting to

919
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: be the one or whatever I had, the first thing

920
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: I would have done was hire the most kick ass

921
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: publicist in Los Angeles. And I went the other way.

922
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 5: What does that say, I mean, you stand by that

923
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 5: now in retrospect, do you think, yeah, Oh, I thought.

924
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: It was a mistake because I think I got hammered.

925
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: I think I think what I didn't realize is that

926
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: by taking my voice out of it, I let everyone

927
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: else's voice just narrate the whole thing and I had

928
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: nobody narrating my story because I chose not to. But

929
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: I got pretty creamed by that, I think. But you know,

930
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: again brings you back to you look in the mirror.

931
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: You know who you are, You have people that you know,

932
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: plenty of people that were there that validate the truth,

933
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: and you know, I still just I still I just

934
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: I just love the fact that we all got to

935
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: do the show, and I love how good everybody was

936
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: in it, and I love that I was a part

937
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: of it, and am I sad that like it wasn't

938
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: just like some flawless love fest or whatever, like, yeah,

939
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: that would be better, I guess. But like I said,

940
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: there were so many things at play, most of which

941
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: none of us had anything to do with. A primary

942
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: thing for me that doesn't get counted really at all

943
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: is that I was the only single mom at the time,

944
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, who had custody issues that were at play.

945
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: That was a big priority to me. Maybe that's why

946
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: I didn't get a publicist, because I just wanted to

947
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: go to work, be a good actor, be the best Susan,

948
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: and then go home and be the best mom.

949
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: Well that you achieved.

950
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I really cared about. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

951
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: but you know, I go back to wishing everybody well,

952
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: and I really really mean that. You know, every time

953
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: I see anybody have any like positive thing, I'm happy

954
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: for them. Yeah. Yeah, what are you?

955
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: What are you working on now? Are you working on

956
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: anything that you want to tell?

957
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: Music? I do, yeah, not as much.

958
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: You know.

959
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: The band kind of went away, but that's because we

960
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: were all on TV shows. There were head shows, and

961
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: then we all kind of scattered.

962
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: Wait a second, were we not all four of us,

963
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: not just all three of us, all four of us.

964
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: Were we not singing a song on West Suria Lane

965
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: with the band from TV?

966
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: We were the finale party.

967
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: We were wasn't it that song? That country Western Martina McBride? Yes, yes,

968
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: what is that song?

969
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: Oh God, it's.

970
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 5: About three generomen and that's why we picked it. Yes,

971
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 5: we each took a verse and there's some adorable This

972
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: one's for the girls had a broken.

973
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Yes, you had a broken hats.

974
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: That's a whole We'll have to have you back for

975
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: to talk about the whole. Other podcast it's on American Idol.

976
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: And you had one hundred and four degree fever.

977
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that too.

978
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: So we had a lot of those stories.

979
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: And and then because you know we're gonna we're gonna

980
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 5: wrap everything up, and we'd ask you if you had

981
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 5: any specific standout memories or moments from I think Terry.

982
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 4: Were you asking about the three of us or some

983
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: sort of yeah.

984
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: Or any like your favorite scene in the whole? I

985
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: mean you talked about loving the death scene because of

986
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: the squibs.

987
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: No, no, I think one of the best, the most

988
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: memorable scenes for me of us was the wedding in

989
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: the woods because it was just us, right, you know,

990
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: we decided we had a great engagement scene where we

991
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: brought the trailer, remember, brought the trailer used to live

992
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: in and set it up in your yard. I did

993
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: to ask you to marry me again, and then we

994
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: said to get married in the woods with just I

995
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: think you just the three of us and minister right,

996
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: And of course it was two am, which it always is. Yeah,

997
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: but you were I remember it was just us there

998
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: getting married and was really sweet. I think that's so sweet.

999
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: I remember that.

1000
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: I can see that picture like it was taking me too. Yeah,

1001
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: there's a close the three of.

1002
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: Us floating lanterns in the trees and stuff.

1003
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: Fair romantic. Yeah, I remember that too.

1004
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: I want to talk about your Christmas movie. You've done

1005
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: a lot on Hallmark, and Hallmark is a great second

1006
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: home for you.

1007
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: And you know I went straight there when as soon

1008
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: as Housewives and we want to get the kids out

1009
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: of La so we moved to Minnesota, where their mom's

1010
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: family's from, and immediately Hallmark came to me and asked

1011
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: me to do a series in Toronto, which was right

1012
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: around the corner an hour and a half flight, they

1013
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: said I can go home every weekend, and so I

1014
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: got on the series called Goodwitch and was there for

1015
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: seven years.

1016
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: From Desperate Housewives for seven years to that for seven years.

1017
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: You're the only Housewives alum who did something like that.

1018
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but anyway, Hallwork was really good to me.

1019
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: And then I started doing movies and producing movies for them,

1020
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: and one of what's you were kind enough to do?

1021
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: Because which many people? Kissed Before Christmas? What many people

1022
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: have told me that it's they think it's one of

1023
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: the best and there's so many or that it's their

1024
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 3: favorite Hallmark Christmas movie ever, So that's no small party.

1025
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: Well I loved it. Yeah, you should check out it.

1026
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Kiss I Kissed Before Christmas. I loved it too, because

1027
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: it was like the only nod of Susan and Mike

1028
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: getting back together that we could be in control of

1029
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: for the fans. So, even though we were playing totally

1030
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: different characters and a totally different story for the fans,

1031
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: I felt like it was Susan and Mike getting back together. No,

1032
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: And so you have a Christmas movie.

1033
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: It's called Grand ol Opy Christmas. Brad Paisley's in it.

1034
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: Sings in it, and it's you know, it's the only

1035
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: one I did. I've done a number of them, but

1036
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: I've been knocking around there for a while. But on

1037
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: that same note, I want to say, and I'm going

1038
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: to say this earlier about working with you, and I

1039
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: know this is roundabout way. When I was on Goodwitch,

1040
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: I had a son, and I worked with a couple

1041
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: of more young people, and I learned from you at

1042
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: the beginning of talking about being a professional, about not

1043
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 3: bringing sides to set, and you would never bring your side.

1044
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: You came to set memorized, and I never seen that before.

1045
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: And I'd been around a while and there was like

1046
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: you just because you were ready. I thought, that's great

1047
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: because you have so much more time to rehearse. And

1048
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: I've passed that along and I've told every person that

1049
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: I learned it from you. So the kid on Goodwitch

1050
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: is his first job ever and now he no longer

1051
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: he comes to set memorized because of Terry Atcher. So anyway,

1052
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: that's one like that's a legacy that lives on.

1053
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: For well, that's a very good legacy. I do love

1054
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: that as a work ethic habit, mostly because you know,

1055
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: it allows you to have your hands free and your

1056
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: mind free to focus on the actual fun of it,

1057
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the physicality of bringing the scene

1058
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: to life and off the page. But I do understand

1059
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: that in television, especially on shows that we've worked on,

1060
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: sometimes you literally are hand in the script. I should

1061
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: walk onto the set, so there's no chance you can

1062
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: do that, but if you can, you should do it.

1063
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: And I do try to approach my work and.

1064
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: I don't judge people to do it because everybody has

1065
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: their own process. You have Richard Bergie who brings him

1066
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: to set and tapes them around the sets so you

1067
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: can read them. So he brings him to set while

1068
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: we're shooting again. But Bergie knows that cracked me up

1069
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: when we did that before. But when we have the

1070
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: scene in the doorway where he had taped his sides

1071
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 3: all around the doorframe so he would look around while

1072
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: he was talking and he was just reading off the

1073
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: brilliant and it was brilliant. It was hilarious. You never

1074
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: would have known, like you, sucker, I'm memorizing my lines

1075
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: and you're just brando like taping them everywhere but anywhere.

1076
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: So you were more professional, I know, giving your editor

1077
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: fits where he's going to put this stuff in.

1078
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 2: It's too much life. Mike is too big of are

1079
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: it has just one to have.

1080
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: Desperately devoted to Jamie Part two. Yes, when you get

1081
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: down the road because you're in season one now. Yes,

1082
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: happy to come.

1083
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. Like always, we are desperately.

1084
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: Jamie. We're desperately devoted to James down. Thank you for

1085
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: being here, thank you for eight years of fabulous work,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for your friendship. And don't please