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Speaker 1: A new bi weekly show on the Fish Stripes podcast

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Speaker 1: starring Isaaca Zoots and Kevin Barrah. Fish Stripes Unfiltered starts

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Miss Stripes Some Filtered back here with episode six oh

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Speaker 2: with my co host Isaaca Zooit, and we have a

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Speaker 2: very special guest, Daniel Olivers of Alex Trawase, my man,

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Speaker 2: how are you? It is an honor to have you

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Speaker 2: on here today.

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Speaker 3: Now, Thank you, guys. I really appreciate you guys are

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Speaker 3: having me. You know, I love talking to you, both

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Speaker 3: Isaac and and Kevin. And I have to say I

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Speaker 3: really miss doing this because it's been a quiet off

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Speaker 3: season I think for the Marlins so far, but basically

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Speaker 3: for every single team. But I really missed doing this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, Isaac, my man, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot to talk about today. I

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Speaker 2: would say there's a lot to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 2: from the last time we spoke to right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's going to be here again.

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Speaker 4: And like Daniel said, it's been relatively quiet on the

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Speaker 4: Marlins front. But you know, luckily in the last couple

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Speaker 4: of days, a couple of weeks, there's been a little

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Speaker 4: more reporting done on other teams.

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Speaker 5: And as well as the Marlin. So we'll definitely dive

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as usual, make sure to subscribe on YouTube

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Speaker 2: listening to this Apple podcast, Spotify, whoever, really you listen

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Speaker 2: to this and I think we could start with the

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Speaker 2: break news. We're forming this on Tuesdays. So, Noah Cindergart

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Speaker 2: signed a massive one year deal with the Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: Angels of Anaheim twenty one million for one year. Your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on that, Daniels, because it's a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: I think you you said that right. It's a massive

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say there's a massive one year deal,

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Speaker 3: but when you signed for twenty one million dollars, I

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Speaker 3: mean that's so yes, that's that's the right way to

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Speaker 3: call it. Good for the Angels who are betting on

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Speaker 3: a pitcher who just made We just pitched two innings.

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Speaker 3: That was a two innings in the big leagues in

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Speaker 3: including one inning at one inning against the Marlins. I

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Speaker 3: think it's gonna be it's a low risk and high

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Speaker 3: reward for for the Angels who desperately need pitching. They

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Speaker 3: every ten to seven days. So I think it's good

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Speaker 3: how much teams are looking for pitching, which also leads

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Speaker 3: me to believe that the Marlins maybe need to look

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Speaker 3: up one of their eyes, maybe Sandy or especially Sandy,

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Speaker 3: and then look what they can do with you guys

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Speaker 3: like Pablo or Sandy or Eliezer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another picture who sents his extension. We'll get

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Speaker 2: it's extension. But Isaac, I mean twenty one million, I

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Speaker 2: mean we don't even see these in one year deals.

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Speaker 2: This is in a way Mike Trout money. So what

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Speaker 2: were your thoughts on that deal? And in a way

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Well, when you're a team like the Angels

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Speaker 4: like Danny said, it is somewhat of a low risk

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Speaker 4: Cinderguard is one of the most overpowering pitchers in all

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Speaker 2: Jose Barrios signed a seven year deal worth one hundred

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Speaker 4: So I guess, like, you know, like we said, pitching

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Speaker 2: And with this, I mean we look at Sandy, who's

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Speaker 3: It definitely goes up. And especially when when you see

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When I first saw the number seven years, one

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Speaker 3: I think he would be a very yeah, no, I

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be I think with with the Martins. I

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Speaker 2: When I look at when you at least you see

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Speaker 3: They have to they have to that that's what every

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Speaker 3: Just because of because Abvi lives here in Miami, has

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Speaker 3: they're probably gonna win the division next year anyway, and

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Speaker 3: Obviously you'll go for a guy like Gasianis. I just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just for further I guess details on Castianos,

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Speaker 2: I think this was his best season with the Reds.

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Speaker 2: Five hundred and thirty one at bats, ninety five runs,

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Speaker 2: one hundred sixty four hits, thirty four homers. Not a

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Speaker 2: So this guy, this guy could mash it and he

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Speaker 4: Mean, just that's just when you talk about a dream

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Speaker 5: This is it.

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Speaker 4: You know, with Castianos, he's one of the better pure

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Speaker 5: And they let debo.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, he's not gonna hit thirty

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Speaker 4: fifty five doubles, you know, because like just like he

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Speaker 4: single day, defense liability, who cares? He'll be hitting three

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Speaker 2: So that's so that'd be.

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Speaker 5: The dream scenario.

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Speaker 4: You gotta remember he opted out of two years thirty

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Speaker 4: four million, I believe it was. So whatever he gets

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Speaker 4: in free agency, it's gonna have to be more than

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Speaker 4: one hundred million dollar range. Now will Miami do that?

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Speaker 4: Probably not where you know, we're great at spending other

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Speaker 4: assume that that's, you know, no more free agent signings.

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Speaker 5: There's a small chance. But I wouldn't hold my breath

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Speaker 2: And not only did the Marlins talk to Castaianist, they

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Speaker 2: think a little bit while ago Stalin mart I mean,

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Speaker 2: per source, the Marlins have made an offer to bring

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll solve all the Marlins issues, but

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Speaker 2: again they very much lack. And they also know Marte

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Speaker 3: Oh, maybe it's Marte. It's Marte.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely Marte.

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Speaker 3: It's a guy that they know. It's a guy that knows.

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Speaker 3: The team knows that he knows, and market knows, the

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Speaker 3: why would they change it now? And why would they

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Speaker 3: you know, everything we mentioned. I know he's thirty two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing I think when you look

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Speaker 3: Gonna be close to fifty million, fifty to sixty million,

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Speaker 3: And that team is gonna be the one who's gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I told I is like, and I'll

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the Texas Rangers make a lot of

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Speaker 4: worth it financially. The Marlins can't afford to pay for

433
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Speaker 4: any ineffective years, so I don't see them going forwards.

434
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Speaker 4: That's why I would maybe think that Castillians would make

435
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: a little bit more.

436
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 5: Sense due to his age. Dude, it is just straight

437
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 5: pure hitting ability.

438
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Speaker 4: You know, he's going to be effective for the next

439
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: four years, both Marte. If you can do four years,

440
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: forty five forty million, yeah, of course, go for it,

441
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: because you know that's that's a good deal for him

442
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: on the Marlins side. But I think he's gonna be

443
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 4: able to command a lot more than that, especially from

444
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 4: a team like Texas that opened their new ballpark, had

445
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 4: no fans in the stand for their inaugurally year, had

446
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: a horrible year last year. I think they're saying, listen,

447
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 4: we need to show our fans in this new ballpark

448
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: that we're ready to go, because they're doing the complete

449
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: opposite of what the old regime did in twenty twelve

450
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 4: when they opened Marlins Park.

451
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 5: They need to start getting win so I really see

452
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 5: him going to the to the Rangers.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Danny mentioned this guy, I'd be

454
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: styled Garcia the Bary. Barry Jackson once again reported that

455
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: the Marlins have shown interesting guy. He had a two

456
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: sixty two to twenty nine Homers a six RBI for

457
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: the Brewers in twenty twenty one. I would assume this

458
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: is a guy who seems a lot more realistic in

459
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: terms of money. Danny, Uh, you know, what would this

460
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: guy bring to Miami? I mean, seems like a guy

461
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: who could just nash Homers at this point. That's what

462
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: mine looking.

463
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: He's the guy that he's on his thirties. I think

464
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: avisail once again. He lives here, he loves being here.

465
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: He has plenty, plenty of experience although he's young, but

466
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: he played a Wolters already with the Tigers. He's winning

467
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: a couple winning teams now with the Brewers and the

468
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: Race a couple of seasons ago. An All Star. He's bad,

469
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: he's undeniable. So good and at the same time, if

470
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Speaker 3: you look at these defensive numbers this year, he was

471
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: a goal belove candidate. He definitely was. I know he

472
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: was toughing in in right field in d NL with

473
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: the wall and key bats, but at Visail he played

474
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: great right field, he plays great center field, he plays

475
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: good left field. So it's gonna be a great outfielder

476
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: who's gonna hate for contact and for power, who's gonna

477
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: be basically healthy all year long, which is a good

478
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: thing for for a Visail who had injuries in the past.

479
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: And he's gonna be a great leader as well. Players

480
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: respect him. He's a good presence among Latin players, and

481
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: I know this for a fact because he trains with

482
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: a lot of them during the off season, along with

483
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 3: Miggi Cauta or Megia Road or Eddo Eduardo or Heldbaras

484
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: those guys basically trying together every single day in the

485
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: off season in Miami, I think he's gonna be He

486
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: could be a really good fit for the Martins, and

487
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: I will definitely be excited if if they go after

488
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: i'm Re Sail and signed him for this year.

489
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, of vs IL seems like he could be one

490
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: of the big pieces of the Marlins. But I mean, Isaac,

491
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: should we dream bigger than a Visio or or should

492
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: we assume this is the guy that Miami should go

493
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: after if it seems like Castianos would be too expensive

494
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: or Marty says no to this offer, that the Martins

495
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: a mad one.

496
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Speaker 3: I think, go ahead, like you want to you want

497
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: to go for a guy like like Martin, Yeah, obviously

498
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: you want that, but going for a visa, I mean

499
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: maybe I know you you you guys appreciate what what

500
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: he can't do, and and you guys know how good

501
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: of a player he is. Yeah, maybe he's not that popular,

502
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: and maybe fans will say like, yeah, we gotta be

503
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: sail Garcia, but he's gonna be so good. He's gonna

504
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: be really good for for the Martins. So there just

505
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: does just don't think about yeah, very popular guy, a

506
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: good guys or or Marte because miss el Garcia can

507
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: be really good and the impact he can't have on

508
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: the staff, he just goes beyond the numbers on the field.

509
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a pretty tactful player in

510
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: the clubs as well, and that's very good for the team.

511
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I think in terms of second tier, he's

512
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 5: like the highest tier of the second option for what

513
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: he wants to be looking for That's what I would say.

514
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 5: I think, if you know, if you go after a

515
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 5: trade kennidate, you.

516
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: Know, like these Reynolds or Bucks or whatever, that doesn't

517
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: work out, Marte Casianos doesn't happen. He is the first

518
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: guy you call up. I know he hasn't been the

519
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 4: most consistent with the bat in his career. He's coming

520
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: off for great years, so he might have They might

521
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: have to pay him a little bit more then he

522
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: might be worth it. Three years in the mid thirties,

523
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: thirty million dollars gets it done, And like Danny said,

524
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: he would be a tremendous upgrade for what Miami has now.

525
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 5: And I think that's the point. I obviously think all

526
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 5: these guys would be trying to upgrades.

527
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 4: But if you have to, you know, quote unquote settle

528
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 4: for obvious Aally Garcia, that's a hell of a move,

529
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 4: and that would be that would be a big upgrade.

530
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: He's not gonna hit thirty home runs and the lone

531
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: deep bark, but he has tremendous power and I think

532
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 4: he'd be a good fit as well.

533
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: And not even just I just want to add one

534
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: more thing, and sorry caving for for interrupting I don't

535
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: know if maybe maybe Ili has it over there. There

536
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: was a game I think it was May fifteen or

537
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: sixteen in Miami, or fourteen maybe of twenty nineteen, the

538
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: rece were playing here. He hit a bomb over centerfield

539
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: batter side.

540
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

541
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't even see standing hitting the ball

542
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: over there while playing with the team. I saw him

543
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: in during the home runner, yes, and or doing during

544
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: baying practice, but not during games. I've never seen a

545
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: bomb like that in a game in Miami. Never even

546
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: we jump out, I've never seen something like that. When

547
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: I saw how I was like, dude, this guy is

548
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: truly younger Medal Camerara, I mean, wow, that was powerful.

549
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we going and and Isaac mentioned tears, and

550
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: you know all these guys, if you really look at

551
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: the Marlins tears, I think you would say Cassanos, Marte, Buckston,

552
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: and Reynolds are at that top tier of those guys

553
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: that in a ways seemed completely unrealistic, little to no chance.

554
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: But I mean, somehow Miami pulls it off. And then

555
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: that middle tier you would say if at first first guy,

556
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: and then I guess you could say a guy like

557
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: Jorge Slayer, who had a great World Series win the

558
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: m v P. I don't know what his value would

559
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: be after that, and I don't know how high it

560
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: would go. And a guy like Eddie Rosario could be

561
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: an option, Danny, I mean, what were your what would

562
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: be your thoughts with a guy like Slaya or or

563
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Eddie Rosari who I don't think I have a place

564
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: on the not that they don't have it, but a

565
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: guy like a Kunas coming back Duval is going to

566
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: go through that arbitration process and maybe they stick with job.

567
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Eddie. I think it will be a

568
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: go outfielder for them. Left me bad obviously, growth a

569
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: lot this year with that playoff experience, with the with

570
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: thes and especially the World Series experience, and he wants

571
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: to win now. He was so honest with us when

572
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: when we talked to him twenty four hours before First

573
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: Bitch Eddie, we ask him like, what's the key for

574
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: what guys like you and Peterson and so Laier and

575
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: duball are doing and how how you guys came together

576
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: in such a short period of time. And it's told

577
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: me because we're all going to be free agents and

578
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: we don't know what's gonna happen with us. So we

579
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: just want to give. We we just want to go

580
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: all in, give everything and then see what happens, and

581
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: we just want to win. Well, I think that they're

582
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: gonna be that that once you win, that changes the

583
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: whole thing, and and that changes everything for for Solaiir

584
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: or for Eddie Eddie Rosario, and now they just want

585
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: to win. I know Solaire with family living here in Miami,

586
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 3: him being Cuban, being that patful, I mean, you know,

587
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: in the community, would be good. I think the same

588
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: about Rosario. I think he will be comfortable here and

589
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: I also think he's a great fit. I don't. I

590
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: know the Marlins, they have plenty of depth in the outfield,

591
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: especially with lefty bats with Today and Camera Meisner and Sanchez,

592
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: and he's not even even if somehow they try with

593
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: Leywan in the outfield, which I think it's not necessary,

594
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: but even if they try, they have another lefty bat

595
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: over there in the lineup, so that will be another one.

596
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: But I think any of those guys would be would

597
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: be good for them, Manels, especially if the d age

598
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: is definitely happening in twenty twenty two, right, So yeah,

599
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: I think there's an option there with either Rosadio or

600
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: or so There, especially so There because Rosadi I think

601
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: he's a pretty good outfielder with such a nice arm,

602
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: so I think that'll be good for him.

603
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, any mentioned guys in the outfield. Obviously we

604
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: can't forget all far but I mean, yeah, and the

605
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: DH does give many options for the Marlins. You know,

606
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: I think the most popular option has been maybe put

607
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: a guy like Aguilar as the DH and then you

608
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: start Laywin, or you maybe put Cooper at DH because

609
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: I know Baseball America likes that option. I'm putting Cooper

610
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: at DH in twenty twenty five, and somehow starting like

611
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: lay went over Aguilar. But I guess we'll move into

612
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: a more controversial news. Miami wanted to move on from

613
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: either Pablo Alias or Sandy to clear a rotation spot,

614
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: but then a couple of days after we got the

615
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: I think it was John Morosi who mentioned that it's

616
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: either Pablo Aarliez or maybe the Toronto for a guy

617
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: like Kirk. I don't know what his first name is

618
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: right now, Alejandro Kirk Isaac, what are your thoughts on this?

619
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, and who is the most most likely to

620
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: be traded there, well, a very large human just really

621
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: quick on Alejandro, very large who was when I stitched

622
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: up the picture of the guy, I thought it was

623
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: like a joke or something. Then another fl is really

624
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: he would be a center in the NFL, and I

625
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: don't think anyone would look twice and Kirk he is

626
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: he was a consensus top one hundred prospect guy.

627
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: And then you know he graduated obviously, and he had

628
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: a decent year offensively.

629
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: There are some questions defensively when it comes to him

630
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: behind the plate, but like I said, you know, him

631
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: being even ten times shit hear would be a huge

632
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: upgrade over what.

633
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 5: Miami had behind the dish this year. Yeah, from what

634
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 5: I've heard, it looks like that's that never gained too

635
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: much traction.

636
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's ever gonna be a thing.

637
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: And regarding who's going to be who's more likely to

638
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: be trade? I think Eliezer is any is you know,

639
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: anything but gone. He's going to be traded very soon,

640
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: I would think Pablo. That's the interesting one. I don't

641
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: know if they're willing to trade someone as talented as

642
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: he is. I don't know if I would. The only

643
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: thing going against him is just, you know, the injury

644
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: concerns with that shoulder, which has been a couple of

645
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: times now for him. But I think you're looking to

646
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: trade a guy like Eliezer and maybe some other sweeteners

647
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: in the farm system for first major league starting catcher,

648
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: which could be Kirk, could be Stallings, could we be

649
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: could Travis, who knows, but we'll see.

650
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into catching options later. And before I

651
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: go to Dan, I mean ali Aser out of mind

652
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: if he gets charded. I mean, the the worst option

653
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: if you don't trade him is you coul put him

654
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: in the bullpen and try him out there, because it

655
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: seems like it could be it can make sense to

656
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: fit him in the bullpen. But Pablo, I don't see

657
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: a reason to trade him. He played one more game

658
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: after the All Star break after he came back from

659
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: the injury. It's unknown how you will come back after

660
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: that long injury. I don't, I don't. I wouldn't trade

661
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: him unless he's you know, not performing up to your standards,

662
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: or you really want to bring up a guy like

663
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: Max Smyer and has six so Edward, all those guys

664
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: in that rotation. Then you would say, all right, let's

665
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: wait till trade deadline and let's move Poplo or maybe

666
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: spring training. Dany me, what would you do in the

667
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: case for Pablo if if it really came down to

668
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: really trading him, which I personally wouldn't do at all,

669
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: But you know, and then your thoughts on the report

670
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: with Alias, Well.

671
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: The thing is that I don't think every player, you know,

672
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: they are untouchable players.

673
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I agree, that's that's.

674
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: That's a fair thing. If you find the right fit

675
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: for you, then you pull the trigger and you do it.

676
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't blame the Marlins if they trade Pablo just

677
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: because he hasn't been hasn't been healthy ever. And what

678
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: I mean, when was the last time we saw Pablo

679
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: pitching a full season that it wasn't the short season.

680
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: I was going to say that one, yeah, but it.

681
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: Was only sixty games, right, yeah, So it's hard to

682
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: judge because it was such a shortened season and he

683
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: always have the issues in the second half of the

684
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: season or basically starting the second half. So what you

685
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: saw in eighteen, what you saw in nineteen, and when

686
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: you saw in twenty one is that the guy can

687
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: stay healthy all year long. I don't think there's a

688
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: person who wants to be healthy help and who wants

689
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: Pablo to be healthier more than I do. I know

690
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: I get a little a little bit selfish in this one,

691
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: but it's only because he Venezuela and he's such a

692
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: such a great guy. But the thing we published that

693
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: he hasn't been healthy ever, and that's the problem. So

694
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't blame them all if they've gone and pull

695
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: the trigger and trade him somewhere else for a for

696
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: a position position player. However, I don't think that's gonna happen,

697
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: and I agree with you. I think a Leestra is

698
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: more likely to be traded. But I think that he

699
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: I mean, the problem with the leister could be the

700
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: same one that we Pablo, you know, healthy health issues

701
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: with the blister and now the biceps and now uh

702
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: this and that. Maybe because because of the blister problem

703
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: that caused him the problem in the biceps. But I

704
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: think he has some value. I think he has some

705
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: value now that teams are going to the bullpens so

706
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: soon and maybe looking for those guys who can't pitch

707
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: two to three to four inning sometimes and Eliza could

708
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: be that guy because he starts. Are pretty sure that

709
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: maybe from the boop, and he can do a pretty

710
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: decent job. So I think that he has some value

711
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: and the Marlins could get an advantage from from that

712
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: because he's just gonna be helpful whatever he goes. He

713
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 3: I think he has made a step, a good step

714
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: for you know, in his career. I don't think he's

715
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: on an elite level or he's a good picture and

716
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: he can't get out and as soon as you I

717
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: mean as much as you can do that, you're gonna

718
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: be you don't have a job, and you're gonna be

719
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: effective no matter where you are.

720
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned how guys now are being put

721
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: in the bullpen Quicker. This is why I think the

722
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: liaser makes a lot of sense. He's a guy who

723
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: doesn't make many starts, and not many starts, he doesn't

724
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: go too long and it starts. He has a lot

725
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: of health is he's very injury prone, so maybe him

726
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: going two or three innings is good for him. He

727
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: doesn't risk an injury as much as it would risk him,

728
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, maybe pitching every five days or going six

729
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: maybe five six innings. It makes a lot of sense.

730
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: To put it in Liezier there, but and Alsodden this Isaac,

731
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: I think it was the last episode. We're talking about

732
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: how the Marlins could really revamp this thing internally, and

733
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: we talked about guys like Jordan Holloway, maybe a Dan Castano.

734
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: But Eliezer is one who before thinking about maybe let's

735
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: trade him and makes sense he was a legit option

736
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: to possibly be in that bullpen twenty twenty two and

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: be one of the big pieces. Isaac.

738
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think of Eliaser's year, I think he

739
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: definitely has a huge role in that bullpen, that Andrew

740
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: Miller type, long relief pitcher type who can you know,

741
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: either bail out a starter who can't get past a

742
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: third or fourth inning, or just you know, you want

743
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: to finish the game from the seventh eighth on. His

744
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: numbers from innings one to three were pretty damn good,

745
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: you know, with that fast we slot of combination. So

746
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 4: that's where I think he would belong if he is

747
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: on the team, I think Miami is going to look

748
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: to trade him and back to Pablo just really quick.

749
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 5: You know, Danny mentioned it perfectly.

750
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: He has not pitched ever more than one hundred and

751
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: twelve innings in his career, so it's now would not

752
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: be the time where I wouldrade itive, though I think

753
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: you get a lot back. I honestly truly think of

754
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: Miami is still somewhat in it in the trade deadline

755
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 4: up next year, I think, and Pablo is pitching really well,

756
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: like we know he's capable of, that's the time to

757
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: trade him to a team that's trying to win now.

758
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: And that's where you get that offensive piece that you're missing,

759
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: that you're lacky try and make a playoff run in

760
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I think Pablo. I think the next

761
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: first half of the twenty twenty two season might be

762
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 4: the last time we see Pablo as some Marland.

763
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 5: But I'm with you, guys, I wouldn't trade him now.

764
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 5: I don't think now is the time.

765
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: Even though he came off a fantastic year, it was

766
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: only one hundred and three innings pitch and he's never

767
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: pitched more than one hundred and twelve innings. So I

768
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 4: think if he has a really good first half, he'd

769
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: be a really fascinating trade piece in twenty twenty two.

770
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to end it off with Pablo, I think

771
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: last season trade deadline. I don't know if heels injured

772
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: or not already, but I know he was a guy

773
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: who I for sure said, this guy seems like he's

774
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: the odd man. Now, I think it's time that, you know,

775
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: maybe at least look into a trade. But I'm not

776
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: sure if he was already injured or not. I think

777
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: he would.

778
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: He got hurt just before the All Star break. I

779
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: mean the day the day before he pitched the that

780
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: beautiful game with nine consecutive strikeouts to start again, and

781
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: then he didn't strike out any any single hitter after that. Yeah,

782
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: and then he got hurt. I don't think he pitched

783
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: like right after a break. So yeah, yeah, that was

784
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: the thing. I know there were teams interest and you know,

785
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: with with interest in him in the American League specifically.

786
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.

787
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: It just didn't happen because of his health.

788
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving on, I guess to a trade alert, the

789
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: Marlins acquire from Tampa Bay Lewis Head from the Tampa

790
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Bay Rays two point thirty one e r A. He

791
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: was two and twenty seven games, zero point eighty six

792
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: e r whip uh and he had I think thirty

793
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: two strikeouts. Danny, your initial thoughts on this move, I

794
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 2: think very underrated in terms of he played twenty seven

795
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: games and he was pretty solid. He was a rookie.

796
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: What would this guy bring for the marrow. It's obviously

797
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: it's not the big splash like Anthony basketball. I guess

798
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: you could could say it was last year. But thoughts

799
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: on this trade gas a.

800
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: Lot of gas and a lot of jokes as well

801
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: about his last name and you know the body part,

802
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: and especially I mean I already called him you both

803
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: guys are Latin, so you're gonna guys, You guys are

804
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: gonna understand him. Already called him Louis, which is the

805
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: exact translation from Louis head.

806
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: But but I think it's gonna be good. I saw

808
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: him a lot, especially the last three three four weeks

809
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: of the season, when I went to Tampa for three

810
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: straight weekends. UH covered Tiger, the Tiger Series, the Marlin Series,

811
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: and the Red Sox series for the al d S.

812
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: So I saw him a lot. And the thing is

813
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: that's it's hard to find a bad picture in the

814
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: race in the race system. So he was just good.

815
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: And I think he's gonna he's gonna play out very good.

816
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: That trade, As you mentioned, is. I think it's underrated.

817
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: They didn't give up a lot of I mean just

818
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: a player to be named later or cast cash considerations,

819
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: so you basically lose are you're basically losing nothing. So

820
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be good for the Margins no

821
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: matter what happens.

822
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: You know, the last big trade we were talking about

823
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: this with I was talking to this about with Isaac

824
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: when they made the trade with the Pirates. Their player

825
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: to be named later was Tyler Glasno, so let's hope

826
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: the more must that's true.

827
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: And now they I don't remember the name of this guy,

828
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: but they they traded Mike Brusso to the Brewers. Yeah,

829
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: the guy who struck out more than one hundred batters

830
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 3: in less than seventy eight. When you see that, you say, okay,

831
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: if unless it's Trevor Richards, but if, but if the

832
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: Dres want to trade with you for one of your pictures,

833
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: be careful because they can turn that guy into a monster.

834
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure that was the trade. That now

835
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 2: is the Chris Archer trade, right, which he got.

836
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: And they got and they got Lost Meadows and they

837
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: they got Archer back. So Padres, that's so.

838
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: Bad on you no, And I don't know if you

839
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 4: guys know this. Maybe Eli can tell us. The Marls

840
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 4: did recently have to give a player to.

841
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 5: Be named later. They finally completed that part of a

842
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 5: trade and blanking on which trade it was, but it

843
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: ended up being someone not so shitty. I don't remember

844
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 5: exactly who the player was, but they definitely just completed

845
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: a trade that was originally a player to be named later.

846
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: But that's anyway to just finish off with.

847
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: Lewis had great signing, funny jokes to Marls, got themsel

848
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 4: some head fantastic.

849
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 3: But he'll be he'll be a good fun I don't

850
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: know if Eli saw it or you guys saw it

851
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: like it was gonna be warming up in the armbarn

852
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: I saw that.

853
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: That's up, that's gonna be great. When that happened, was

854
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 5: they traded.

855
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: From the from the Houston trade with Jimmy or or no.

856
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 5: Oh no, it was a modern player going away who

857
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: was a player to be named later and it ended

858
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: up being like a someone relevant. I don't I know.

859
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't uh player.

860
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: Technically because during the sixty man season they couldn't trade

861
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: anyone that wasn't in the player pool. So that's why

862
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: they couldn't announce it until the end of the year,

863
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 4: but it was already Ruben Michael Hill sort of hinted

864
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 4: at who it was, but no.

865
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: It was it was someone else. But anyway, not to

866
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: take up more time about.

867
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: This, Yeah, and I think the only other thing I

868
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: really want to cover with I guess not moving on

869
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: to the baseball part.

870
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: That's that's that's someone who's rooming up in the arm

871
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: Barn heads up.

872
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: They I don't know if the worst part is actually

873
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: a joke or that they called the bullpen.

874
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 5: The armor the arm Barn is worse.

875
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Peter, I'm sorry, but why it kind

876
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 3: of smacked.

877
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, kind of like arm Barn kind

878
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: of snacks.

879
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: Well but no, but no, I mean, it's cool if

880
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: it's a proposal, because it's like, yeah, you know what,

881
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: we just want to change the name because we just

882
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: want to change.

883
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: But if you tell the reason behind it, I like,

884
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, come on, like you guys.

885
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: Have so many things to yeah, and take care of it, you.

886
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 2: Know, and you look at it, you know you would

887
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: have to change, you would have to change the baseball

888
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: names of the Marlins. It's an animal. What other team

889
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: has an animal?

890
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 5: Is?

891
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 4: You know what a tweet of regarding that, regarding like

892
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 4: that they wanted to change the name Armbarn, like if

893
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: only they knew what baseball gloves were made.

894
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 5: Out of and baseball baseball like okay, yeuys, let's let's it's.

895
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: Like you have I realized what's going on in this sport.

896
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Now, moving away from from Marlins talk,

897
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: there's Carlos Korea and we saw his nice comments about

898
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: Derek Jeter and there's five gold was it gold gloves?

899
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure?

900
00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

901
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, of your thoughts on the close lovely words

902
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: to Derek Jeter and what this means for the Morrols,

903
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: because you know it ties into the Marlins.

904
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: I don't think it means anything. Honestly, I don't think

905
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: it means anything. I think Jeter knows what he did

906
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: and what he didn't in his career. I think he

907
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: knows how good of a short of he was or

908
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: how good of for shorts that he wasn't. I don't

909
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: think I honestly think it's it's not a big deal,

910
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: especially because now everyone understands not everyone but the majority

911
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: of people understands how you can evaluate defenders with the

912
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: new metrics. You just certainly what what Correa said. Yeah,

913
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: the eye can lie to you because Jitter looks spectacular

914
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: with the jump throw and with the play, you know,

915
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: with the head first diving into the stands and making

916
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: that catch or whatever. But he wasn't that good of

917
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: a short stop as Yeah, but you can compare him

918
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: to to the Scale for example. And I know Ethan's

919
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: gonna hate me for this, but the Scale was basically

920
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: the best defensive shortstop of his generation, and there was

921
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: no question about it. He wasn't that that good of defensively,

922
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: but he was spectacular and he was popular, and he

923
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: was so good in so many things. And that's what

924
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a big deal. I mean, Correy,

925
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: I can do whatever he can, he can he wants

926
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: to do. He's not going to be bigger than theater ever, so,

927
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: and I.

928
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: Don't think he's coming out of Marlins either.

929
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: So even even without the comments, he was not coming

930
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: to the Martins anyway.

931
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 5: No.

932
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I established that myself a while ago.

933
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, once I said that, I spoke about it with

934
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 4: Christina yesterday. I saw it, and the only thing that

935
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: was interesting about is just you don't see any in

936
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: players speak other than praises for Derek Jeter. So that

937
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: was the only interesting part. You know, care is not

938
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: wrong at all.

939
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: The thing is that is honest every single time, right,

940
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: and he's not wrong.

941
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 5: He's not wrong. I can't.

942
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: I don't think he was strong. I think I mean,

943
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I think Jeter was a good

944
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: chource up. He just wasn't spectacular.

945
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: He was not a five time goal glover. That's what

946
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: Brandon Crawford is, you know, That's not what this guy is.

947
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the video quality was a little weird. I thought,

948
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's the only thing.

949
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: It was like five broadcasts.

950
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't know. I found it was like

951
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: a YouTube video or something to clip broadcast with Isaac.

952
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you take over here because I know

953
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: we want to talk Wilson contraras with Danny Alvarez, So

954
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: I'll let you take over pretty much for the rest

955
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: of the for the pod. Pretty much.

956
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess the first that since you mentioned Wilson,

957
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna go a different catch who just retired.

958
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 5: I guess we'll start with Wilson.

959
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: Wilson, you know Danny, we know he's He's in a

960
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 4: name that's been float around since last year, last offseason.

961
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: I think peyton Berg was the reason, was what got

962
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: in between that trade happening. Wilson is a great offensive catcher.

963
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 4: He's there on a one year deal left for free agency.

964
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: He's one of the better catchers to be named available.

965
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: He seems to fit with Miami. We need other than

966
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: the year's control. What are your thoughts on a potential

967
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: on a potential match here with a Venezuelan catcher.

968
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: Wait for him and signing after he becomes a free agent.

969
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 5: Okay, So that's so, it's the years of control that

970
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 5: that you're That was it.

971
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. You can keep good players. You

972
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: need a catcher. You definitely need a catcher, maybe more

973
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: than any other thing right now, not only because of

974
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: the offense, not only because of how you know, the

975
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: poor performance that you had from that position all year long,

976
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: with Alfado, with Jackson, with leon with whoever was behind

977
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 3: the plate. I think we saw good things from Peyton Henry.

978
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: I think we saw a good things from Nick Fortes.

979
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: But you I I don't believe you can go and

980
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: compete if those guys are your your your catchers, your

981
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: everyday catchers. No disrespect to them, but I need I

982
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: think you need a great catcher to compete. And that's

983
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: that's how contradas is. If you if you don't want

984
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: to trade a guy like Burdick, that's okay. I think

985
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: I would trade Verdick to get a piece, a piece

986
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: like him, knowing especially the dead that you haven't in

987
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: the outfield, not with Meisner and with j j and

988
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: and how good he's.

989
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: I know, but yeah, I would.

990
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: I would just wait and and look for a catcher

991
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: for this year, of course I would. And then you

992
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: just wait one more year and then you go on

993
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: and sign him, and then you go and sign whatever

994
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: big big free agent is out there, and then in

995
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: twenty three then you're talking and you're saying, you know what,

996
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm going for it, and that's it.

997
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was gonna mention, because if they

998
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 4: did go this route of get acquiring a rental like Contreras,

999
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 4: it's you.

1000
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 5: Really.

1001
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: I think what's most important to Jeter and Ang and

1002
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: company is twenty twenty two is a year that's right

1003
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: in front of them.

1004
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 5: And if they're just gonna get acquire a rental for

1005
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two and not give.

1006
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: Up a whole lot, that's fine, because then you just

1007
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 4: go into the twenty two offseason you're in the same

1008
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 4: problem you are right now.

1009
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: But at least, hey, maybe Controllers is willing to resign.

1010
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: There's going to be a whole lot of other catchers

1011
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: on the free agent market, So to me, I think

1012
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: there's so so worried on twenty twenty two knowing they

1013
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: cannot go to Fortes and Jackson that they might if they.

1014
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: I would rather four years, sorry, one year of Controllers

1015
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 4: than acquiring the four to three years left of Stallings,

1016
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 4: for example.

1017
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 5: But that's me.

1018
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you look at the options that the

1019
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: more Ons have. Wilson is one, and I think a

1020
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: really all trade would look like I guess. I think

1021
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: the last time the trade didn't go through because Burdick

1022
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: was in that trade and Miami didn't want trade him.

1023
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: I think at least that's what I heard. But I

1024
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: think I would include Burdick now because the minor league

1025
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: player of the year, his values up now, So I

1026
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: think I would convince Chicago even more to make this

1027
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: kind of a deal. So yeah, And I also did

1028
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: talk about a guy like Mitch, Mitch Garver from the

1029
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Twins who in Miami. Miami and Minnesota always have had

1030
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: some good trade talks. They made the Sergio Romo trade,

1031
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: and I think they had interest in Alias at some point,

1032
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: if I'm correct. So maybe you do Kepler for Mitch Garver.

1033
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he's good, and I think

1034
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: that he's just the type of catchers team are trying

1035
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: to develop now, you know, with his his way to

1036
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: call the game, framing, blocking, throwing out drunners on bass,

1037
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: I think he's the perfect faith and he's he he

1038
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: might be a role model for every single organization out there.

1039
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: The thing is that I don't know what happened to

1040
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: him to him and he's bad. He was still good

1041
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: in nineteen and then he just fell apart in twenty

1042
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: twenty and in twenty twenty one. I just don't know

1043
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: what happened. But I think he could be he could

1044
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: be interesting, you know what, thinking about Garver and Miami

1045
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: and he's good year in nineteen. Who was the hitting

1046
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: coach over there in nineteen?

1047
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: The journey?

1048
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I think it would be good for

1049
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: Garver too to be here in case that they're interested

1050
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: in in him.

1051
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: You know that that's a that's a name that I

1052
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 5: failed to mention in a report I did earlier.

1053
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: But I think we're gonna wrap it up really quickly,

1054
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 4: just one more quick thing, buster posey Hall of Famer

1055
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 4: or not.

1056
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 3: Ballid No, I'm sorry.

1057
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: No.

1058
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: One hundred percent first ballot, I mean one hundred percent

1059
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: of the votes. But I think it's a verse Fillow.

1060
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 5: Obviously not unanimous. There's only been one person to be unanimous,

1061
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 5: no question, no question, Kevin your thought.

1062
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: I think he deserves it. I mean, he has all

1063
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: the accolades needed for it. I think you should be

1064
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer obviously. Ye Wolf Series Champ one

1065
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: of the best catchers. I think of this scent not

1066
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: the century, but of our time now watching baseball at

1067
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: least mine. He's top top fove casters for sure. I

1068
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: mean you could even argue top three. So I think

1069
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: this is where we're gonna end it.

1070
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: Danny, you're such a baby man that, of course of

1071
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: your time.

1072
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I'm talking more of my time, you know,

1073
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: there's of course, yes, yes, yeah, and not think that

1074
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna end it. Man, you know, thank you for coming, Daniels.

1075
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: An absolute honor to have you, and it was a

1076
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: block to have you.

1077
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: I I've had a blast. Thank you guys for for

1078
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: reaching out and you know I will do whatever you

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Speaker 3: guys want ornate any anytime. So thank you for having me,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, maybe we can do this again before the

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Speaker 3: off season ends or during or whatever. You guys, nate

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Speaker 3: you know where I'm at the Price books all the

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Speaker 3: time and you can call me, texted or whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Once again, my name is Kevin with Danny, our special

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Speaker 2: guest and co host Isaac zuit Eli and the production

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Speaker 2: down there. But whenever you see this just share it

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Speaker 2: to anyone. Will be on Twitter to hear your feedback obviously,

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Speaker 2: and peace on guys.

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Speaker 5: That's a rap, everybody,