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Speaker 1: Episode two, all the smoke. Welcome back myself, Jack, Jack.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed the episode zero and episode one.

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Speaker 1: About a week and a half into the season, and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't be more excited. Man, just getting started, Baby,

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Speaker 1: just getting started. It's gonna be fun. Zion is about

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Speaker 1: about six weeks out. We found out, you know, about

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Speaker 1: a week and a half ago that, uh, meniscus. I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised at all. I wouldn't be either, Uh to me,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's overhyped. I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to paint a crazy picture early on that he's too

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Speaker 1: big and he's to this and he's too that meniscus

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Speaker 1: is an injury that can happen to anybody, like a

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Speaker 1: sprained ankle. But I will say I I do think

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Speaker 1: in the scheme of things, when he starts to kind

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Speaker 1: of understand what the rigors of the NBA are about

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Speaker 1: how many games, what the travels like, I think he

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Speaker 1: will need to come down to probably about two sixty

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Speaker 1: the best zaleon for the league because of how long

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Speaker 1: the season is and you know, the travel and how

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Speaker 1: much they're gonna depend on him. His body. Everybody knew

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be a problem or be an issue

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Speaker 1: coming into the season. You mean an issue in in

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Speaker 1: a negative way. Yeah, because it's the difference between looking

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Speaker 1: like a grown man and playing with grown man. It's

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Speaker 1: a totally big difference. You know, he was bigger than

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Speaker 1: all the kids, but the wear and tear, the wrestling

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Speaker 1: with those stronger guys. The court is way more open

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Speaker 1: in the NBA, so he's gonna get easier dunks in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, and he did in college because he's playing

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Speaker 1: with better players and make better plays for him. So

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Speaker 1: I knew his body. I knew it was. It was

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Speaker 1: a plus that he was big like that, but I

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Speaker 1: also knew it was a minus too because not having

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Speaker 1: a muscle structure type body and being such an athlete.

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Speaker 1: I knew somewhere down the line he was gonna have

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Speaker 1: some problems before he lost that weight, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I knew he. I knew it was gonna

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Speaker 1: be a point where it's got the force in a

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Speaker 1: losing weight. I wish it wasn't y because I wanted

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Speaker 1: something like that that was gonna happen for him to

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Speaker 1: have to lose or force him to lose weight because

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Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna do it on his own. Well take,

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Speaker 1: but it's not like when when we say, like wait,

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Speaker 1: it's not like he's fat or out of shape. He's

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Speaker 1: just a big gass kid. But you know when you're

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Speaker 1: getting basketball shaped like Lebron's huge, but he's lean. He's

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Speaker 1: still got a lot of baby fat on. He got

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Speaker 1: a lot of baby fat on. But I think that

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Speaker 1: also comes to what were you doing in eating at nineteen?

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Speaker 1: You gotta we we gotta remember he's still a teenager,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think him coming

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Speaker 1: I think that maturity and having more of an understanding.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't really like it could be

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Speaker 1: some baby fat, but he's just a big kids in

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Speaker 1: the South. I can imagine, you know, in pounds and

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Speaker 1: crawfish pride, poach chops. I want some of them right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we go ahead, lick that ship real quick. Excited? Yeah

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Speaker 1: all right? But like I said, I think what would

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Speaker 1: I had a similar injury into thousand and ten with

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Speaker 1: But it's a catch twenty two because if you don't

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Speaker 1: I think it really makes no cent at that point,

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Speaker 1: since at that point you gotta let them be a kid.

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Speaker 1: You gott let them understand how to be a teenage.

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Speaker 1: You gotta let him go through puberty. You gotta let him,

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Speaker 1: fun with your kids. Now, kids, if you allow them

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Speaker 1: Now kids are working out, like I said, four or

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Speaker 1: But like I said, now, it's just a different time,

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Speaker 1: I mean. Kids are playing fifty to sixty games. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: not fair to the kid. You gotta let kids be kids, man. Parents,

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Speaker 1: trying to make you keep the kid involved, but don't

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Speaker 1: Until they were ready, I wasn't gonna force them, you

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Speaker 1: he's gonna play more now too. So you know, if

426
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Speaker 1: they could get all those guys together with the ways,

427
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna look good. Tyler, he's shown in preseason that

428
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,280
Speaker 1: he belongs in the NBA. Hems with Devin Booker. You

429
00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,120
Speaker 1: think he's got that. They got the same type of game,

430
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,359
Speaker 1: come off screens, real moving, sweet like he reminded me

431
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 1: of Devin book is one of the best, to me,

432
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,119
Speaker 1: the best peer scores in the game. He's gonna be

433
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,359
Speaker 1: like that for a long time. So it might not

434
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,520
Speaker 1: win ship, He's gonna be good. I've been saying he's

435
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,920
Speaker 1: got to get out of Phoenix with that bumass owner.

436
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 1: They got over their server, just wasted his years. Shout

437
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,639
Speaker 1: out to they get my boy j J the job though.

438
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,960
Speaker 1: Shout out to j J. J J. Johnson. Yeah, yeah,

439
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520
Speaker 1: James Jones gotta run the team now, good basketball. How

440
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 1: many championships do he have? Just come along and play

441
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,240
Speaker 1: your role, perfect example, play your role, play your role,

442
00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,880
Speaker 1: someone who didn't always get your role right, Like that's

443
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,560
Speaker 1: DC rivership. That's what I lived by. But whenever he

444
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 1: was called upon, he was ready to play constant professionals.

445
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,520
Speaker 1: So it's good to see that. You know, they're making

446
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,640
Speaker 1: some some decent management decisions over there. Ain't enough considering

447
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 1: who the owner is. Ain't enough like trash Kobe White,

448
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,840
Speaker 1: anytime you got the name Kobe, that's a lot of pressure.

449
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 1: Playing in the North Carolina, he was a leader, you know,

450
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,920
Speaker 1: he's he's just he's just like Jamarette, confident, ready to go,

451
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: can play one and two. You know. In Chicago, he's

452
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 1: gonna play a lot of minute too. Yeah. I like

453
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 1: his his mentality. He looks like a killer, you know,

454
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 1: it looks like he's already. He belongs there, he's been there.

455
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 1: I always like to see that of a rookie, little

456
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 1: guy that just scores it. It reminds me of Jah

457
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 1: Wall really fast. Yeah, he reminds me. He shoots better

458
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,359
Speaker 1: than Jah Wall, but he reminds me of Joah Wall.

459
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 1: He reminds me John Wall, someone else that I really

460
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 1: like and probably to me, is one of the most

461
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 1: talented players we've seen in the last couple years. Michael

462
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 1: Porter Jr. You know what I mean, he got a

463
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 1: red shirt. You're in the NBA. Um. You know, hopefully

464
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,080
Speaker 1: he can stay healthy. But he's someone that I see

465
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 1: is six nine, versatile, can handle the ball like a guard,

466
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, midrange, athletic, dumb athletic. But and and

467
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Speaker 1: someone too has who has a pure jumper, you know

468
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I think he's a big X factor.

469
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Speaker 1: Um if he could stay healthy. Um to you know

470
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 1: for having Denver fight for that West Carson Edwards someone

471
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: that impressed the hell out of me in the tournament. Man,

472
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: this kid shot the ball, uh and really had his

473
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Speaker 1: team over achieving a tournament. Someone who shot the lights out.

474
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Speaker 1: He shows gonna be too many shots in Boston. There

475
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: may be though, you know, I mean where the boy

476
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 1: just got the extension. Yeah, he just got that hundo

477
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: and some change, so he gonna be shooting the ball.

478
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: Kimberdon showed up. He jacking for beats, got Tatum, he

479
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 1: got to prove himself. He didn't he kind of went

480
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: back was last year, so I don't know. And then

481
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: you got Gordon. He's gonna beato many bullets in the

482
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: gun for him, bro, you know, second shooting blanks, second unit.

483
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna get some looks. But like I said, someone

484
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: who's small something they could do with all it's far scoring.

485
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: It's tough for little guys to make a living. But

486
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Speaker 1: now that it's more of a less of a physic

487
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: physical game and more of a you know, spread open

488
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 1: skill shooting game. You know he fits in the game.

489
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: Although he's small, I don't know him. That small guy

490
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: that I just that was just dropped dead cold to me.

491
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 1: Earl Boy and Nate Robinson. That's the two small guys

492
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: that would just get buckets on anybody. Yeah, both of them,

493
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 1: both up them. Nate was a killer still is. Yeah,

494
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: he's someone that should have definitely found a job. We

495
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: gotta have him on the show because he's very entertaining.

496
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: You know, Nathan character gotta find name. Shout out Nate,

497
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: Shout out him and booze. They got a podcast to

498
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: shout out the podcast. Yeah yeah, fuck Nate. Quick story

499
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: with Nate is we was in New York together in

500
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: my brief stints and uh, we all were just going

501
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: back and forth and this motherfucker put some kind of

502
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: itching ship in my in my tights, had me fucked No, No,

503
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: that's the crossing be fucked up on the court, so

504
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: that I mean he had a better prank. No, I

505
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: mean I got him back. I pulled a bunch of

506
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: salt all over his ice cream and he ate he

507
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Speaker 1: But it's not even close to what he did to me.

508
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: That's why fucking Nate straight up. Oh my goodness, that's

509
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: my dog. That we played a little flag thing together

510
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: last two years ago or something like that. But super talented,

511
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: super talented. Don't contest that as a little three time

512
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: champion super athlete, one of the best athletes we've seen.

513
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I called him a walking biceps like kids just walk

514
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: one muscle, just walked them down the street. Ugly. It

515
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: can be well midnight U Contentially, that's what we look like.

516
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: Carson Edwards got afraid at the moment. Someone We had

517
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: a really big preseason. Um, so I'm looking forward to him,

518
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, obviously soaking up game from from Kemba and

519
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: someone who is a smaller guard like itself really learned

520
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: at an early age. And I think that's something that's

521
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: really important for rookies, is finding that veteran leadership or

522
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: if it's not if it's a young team, just finding

523
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: someone who has experienced and really, like I said, learning

524
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 1: the game, because a lot of these kids are very talented,

525
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: but it's it takes some time to learn what it learned,

526
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be like to be a professional

527
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: on and off the court. Experience is always the best teaching.

528
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: And I think too, is where the game has changes.

529
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: When we came in the game, there used to be

530
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Speaker 1: the o g s, the vets that would put their

531
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: arm around you and talk you through things. Um, who

532
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: wasn't I Chris Webber Smith. Yeah, so you know, just

533
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: two Detroit dudes, you know, the great dudes and kind

534
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: of saw how they moved on and off the court.

535
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: But I really feel like the game has lost that now.

536
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's such a competitive atmos fear that

537
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: if the older dude puts his arm around a younger dude,

538
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't because you know, they could be competing for minutes.

539
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of the o g s

540
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: on the team and kind of like the mentors, that

541
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: it's a dying breathe with this new generation because everyone

542
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: is scrapping for minutes and and and it's more competitive,

543
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: I think than it used to be, because, like I said, that,

544
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: the league is shifting to a younger league. I remember

545
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: getting getting a call to my room from Gregg Popovich

546
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I was coming off the bench. Steve Smith

547
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: was starting, and that was my guy. Like I was

548
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: at his house. His wife was cooking for me, like

549
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: they he treating me like a little brother. Everything, taught

550
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: me everything I know about preparing for the game and everything.

551
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: And him and Tim was in the room and probably

552
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: like you're starting to night. We're gonna start you tonight.

553
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: And the whole time I'm thinking was how I'm gonna

554
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: tell Steve Smith, Like, you know, I don't feel comfortable.

555
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm young, so I'm not knowing this is a job,

556
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This is my second year

557
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: in the league. Something I'm I care about. My relationship

558
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: with Steve Smith. Wouldn't not care about starting, you know

559
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. But the good thing about it, we're

560
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: talking about vets and what they do. I walked in

561
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: the locker room my head down because I know Steve

562
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: right there, and as I passed him, he grabbed me

563
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: a Tim around like look, go out there and do it.

564
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: It's not personal between me and you. You know, go

565
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: out there, my little brother, go out there and do

566
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: what you want to. Don't feel no type of web

567
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: about it. That helped me go out there and play.

568
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: That was I'm telling that was a life saving for me.

569
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: But he didn't have to do that. But then, I'm

570
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: just going to test what you're saying about the O

571
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: G s. They don't do that. The more we needed that,

572
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: they needed now to they definitely now they just don't

573
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: have it. I remember early on, like I said, my

574
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: thing was being a Laker fan, growing up big time

575
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: Laker fans. Still a Laker fan, but I was living

576
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: in Sacramento, Um, going to u C. L A. And

577
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: this is when the Kings and and and Lakers had

578
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: that you know, it was a rivalry. They were the

579
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: top two teams in the Western who used to everyone

580
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: that was gonna win the finals. Um. So just you know,

581
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: being a huge fan. And this is probably you know,

582
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: after my first season, after my first season the league.

583
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: So I'm going er every summer being able to work

584
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: out a sea web white chocolate. You know, paigea back

585
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: in their Hey they Bobby Jackson. Um, so I'm supposed

586
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: to sign go back and sign him. I think it

587
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: was a two year deal with the Clippers. I end

588
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: up you know, talking to Rick Adaman during the summer

589
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: and he asked me what I had going on, and I,

590
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, really said nothing. I was super excited to

591
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: try to play for the Kings. So I ended up

592
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: signing to deal with the Kings. Um. And then that's

593
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: when they traded Chris Webber to Philly. And I was

594
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: just a throwing at the time, so I went with Chris.

595
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: So it was my first time finding out on ESPN

596
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: that I was traded. Uh. And then I was traded

597
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: with Chris and with a big deal because he meant

598
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: so much to that city. Uh. He ends up going

599
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: to Philly. I go with him, and we were just,

600
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: you know, miserable, and it was just something completely different

601
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: than when we were accustomed to at least I was.

602
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: And he that's when he really kind of took me

603
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: under his arm and and taught me how to, you know,

604
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: work hard even though I wasn't playing, and what I

605
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: need to be doing and kind of kept my head

606
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: in the game. Some of that I, like I said,

607
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I really leaned onto this day. Who who like I said.

608
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: It was a big brother and and someone that really

609
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: got me through some of the toughest times because I

610
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: could have possibly been on my way out and he

611
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: used always just you know, you got games, keep working

612
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: on your game. He actually gave me his shooting coach.

613
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's when I started to work on my

614
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: change my formula. It's still my form was still fucked up,

615
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: but I learned how to make that funk up for

616
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: him going to basket you know what I mean. So

617
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: it was and it was off, but it's no. But

618
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, vets, I mean back to

619
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: the point. You know, vets are important, man, and I

620
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: wish there was still that kind of veteran leadership in

621
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: the league. Like I said, there's few and far between. Uh,

622
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: what guys doing that this year? Every team needs at

623
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: least one or two vets every team, and even if

624
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: they don't play, you know what I mean, obviously it plays,

625
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: it helps, but just to kind of give these younger

626
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: guys just a little bit of an understanding of what

627
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: to expect on what's going on. All right, So we're

628
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: in the balls now. Just an intriguing family overall, and

629
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: they've been in and out the headlines for the last

630
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, two or three or three or four years.

631
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there was something that we saw grow

632
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: in front of our eyes on Instagram and the internet,

633
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: and and that's the Ball family. Um, interesting family, interesting dynamic.

634
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: I think, you know, first of all, shouts out to

635
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: the LaVar for you know, raising and being a part.

636
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: There's such a stigma and you got that. You're gonna

637
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: have to unshout out him to it at the Indio Comperence. Yeah,

638
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: there's no question, said, I like to put it on

639
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: easy before I dig in shout. I'm definitely gonna have

640
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: to dig in on them. But like I said, being there,

641
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, raising three men and and being an integral

642
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: part of their life. But to start back on the

643
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: on the brand as a whole, and it's kind of

644
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: crumbled in front of our eyes of late, and it's

645
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: it's been interesting to kind of sit back and watch.

646
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: I thought they had a chance when when when the whole,

647
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: When when uh Zoe was coming out of U c.

648
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: L A. Going to the Lakers, LaMelo is doing his thing,

649
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: Jello is doing his thing, and in high school they

650
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: had a chance to really change the game. I think

651
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: with the with the Triple B brand got up to

652
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: the right start. But but but I think before it

653
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: even got out, Yeah, it had the foundation because the

654
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: boys are so talented, But I think when they came

655
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: out with the ridiculous price points that I think from

656
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: from that day when it hit. Although they got some sales,

657
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: I think, to me, in my head, I'm just like, damn,

658
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: they missed the boat. They had a real chance because

659
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: to me, if you make a reasonably price shoe, you know,

660
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: you gotta think at the time you could buy two

661
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: pair of Lebrons for the cost of one zoe. You know,

662
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: you could buy two pair of mics to barri kadies

663
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: two five pair of stuffs. I'm playing shout out staff.

664
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, I like the boy, but you know, just

665
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: like I said, but to have an unproven, somewhat player

666
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: for the Lakers a lot of pressure. But but you

667
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: missed the boat. You're charging four d five payer pair

668
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: of shoes. You charge eighty dollars and have some reasonable slippers,

669
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: and you've got two more boys coming down the pipeline.

670
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: They could have changed the game. Dad was doing too much,

671
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and that that brings me to the unshout

672
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: out part. Yeah, Dad, Dad was doing entirely too much,

673
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Like okay, we we went from man, uh, what's that name?

674
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Bar Man? We love LaVar to going to the barbershop.

675
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: You here, man full man, I can't staying that motherfucker.

676
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: I think like a month span wasn't even long. It

677
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: wasn't even that long. But I think that he had

678
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: everybody's support for a second question when it was genuine

679
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: when he started opening his mouth saying dumb ship like

680
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: he would beat Jordan's and saying they say something my

681
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: magic is not a Hall of Famer and all kind

682
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: of stuff he was saying that had nothing to do

683
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: with his son's career, that funked up the whole operation,

684
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: but at the same time putting a target on all

685
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: his son's backs, you know what I mean, because they're good,

686
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: quiet kids and just go about playing, and then that

687
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: their dad is just that ship. It's out in the

688
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: i e. It's deep, it's out that way. But to me,

689
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: I I think the bigger thing is when the light

690
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: hit LaVar. You mean, when he realized like what this

691
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: new social media famous era was about, is when he

692
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of came about him. Yeah, And like I said,

693
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: I think it's shifted from these are my boys to

694
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: look at me, you know what I mean, I'm the

695
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: star and it's really kind of gone downhill sent you

696
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean with whatever the brand is doing.

697
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think the price point was crazy,

698
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: so the brand didn't do what it had the capabilities

699
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: of doing. And then for then the sons came out

700
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: and said the shoes was trash dog ship those studies,

701
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: changing them every single quarter. I mean, and you know,

702
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: because you were in protegyst some protege dog. You remember

703
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: my whole bottom of the first game, you jab stepping

704
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: on your soul came off. It was my first signature

705
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: shoe too protege ed Walmart Stack the first jab step.

706
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm in the painting my soul at the three point line,

707
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the So I go get a new path,

708
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: hit somebody with a nice move. My piggy toe sticking

709
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: out like oh man, I had to call out like

710
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna I want to support the brand, bro,

711
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: this ain't it. And that's what people don't understand. You know,

712
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: you see, you know, you see LaVar talking about Zoe

713
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: thinks he's not going to be with Big Black the

714
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: shoe with some bullshit, you know what I mean. And

715
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: and Zoe has already had some ankle problems. All the

716
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: brand bullshit, that's what big beat you know brand To me,

717
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I understand of growing the brand and making family money,

718
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: but you gotta think your feet. You only get one

719
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: pair of feet, you know. And I had a situation where,

720
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, I had a funked up tope from football

721
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: coming into college to so I will always have messed

722
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: up feet. So I remember when I was with the

723
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Clippers brand black. I think that's what it's called. You know,

724
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: we're talking to me and Jamal market and and I

725
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: put the ships on, and you know when she was

726
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: just a bullshit when you could like pull them hella

727
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: tight and both sides come all the way together. That's

728
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: what you do with the payless shoes used to do.

729
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: You know, you used to get three pay less That's

730
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: what them ships did. I was just like, man, my

731
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: foot is already sucked up. To me, the money is

732
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: not worth it. And I think that's where you know, Zoe,

733
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: being someone who's been injury prone, laced the Nike's up, brof.

734
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: If you could hear this, if you see this where

735
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: the nikes. Fuck that trip will be because you have

736
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: a career to worry about. And if you can hear this,

737
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: I've seen you had on the undefeated Kobe's man I need.

738
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to find them, bro, let me get.

739
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: Let me get some how, I let me. I need

740
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: the undefeated package. You know you've seen this three pair.

741
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I need all of them on the stand. So I'm padm.

742
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm definitely on that level. Let okay, I play for

743
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: That's why they called me Stack. That's why they call

744
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: you this. It's not a game. They called me stack

745
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: for a reason. Keep a stack on me now, y'all

746
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: want to know why they called me stack, bro, because

747
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I keep a stacking on It's not no games telling

748
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: everyone earlier, don't call you Stephen, don't call me stevens

749
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: my look. My stepdaughter at home says Steve when she

750
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: want to make me mad. My name. No one needs

751
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: to call me Stephen. I'll say my Stephen, Jesse Jackson

752
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: unless you the popo, and I don't plan on having

753
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: a popo call my name no time soon. So Stack

754
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: is my name? A right man? Focus? Focus? Are we

755
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: back to Zoe and to me? Touching on Zoe. The

756
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: best thing that could have happened to him, whether it

757
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: was a trade or not, was getting out of l A.

758
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I think here it's unfortunate

759
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: to see and we don't know the inside, but from

760
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, it really looks like there's a

761
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: conflict of you know, Zoe want to be his own

762
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: man and LaVar trying to hold on, like you're gonna

763
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: do this family brand thing. But like I said to me,

764
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: because I was very talented, your dad cannot be speaking

765
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: against your organization in the media. Brow How how how

766
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: are you doing what's best for your son when you're done,

767
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: when you're talking down on the organization he's playing for

768
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: in the media, talking bad about the players. Everything you

769
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you You went from the father that everybody loves to

770
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the father everybody hates. Like shut the funk up. Yeah, Like, come,

771
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: your son is talented. He got a great opportunity to

772
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: play at home in l A for the Lakers, and

773
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: you want to overshadow it by the thing that you

774
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: want to say, Yeah, that's terrible, that's terrible. And I

775
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: think they got one more come down the pipeline who

776
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: could be possibly be the number one pick. Listen, I

777
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: think as all Hoopers, we need to come together and

778
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: hire security team to keep Laval away from the youngest son,

779
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: because the youngest son is the one. Okay, he got game,

780
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: he got everything. All the time he out the overseas

781
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: working doing this thing. We cannot let LaVar mess up

782
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: this kid career. This kid got it, he definitely got

783
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: he got it. He got it, you know what I mean.

784
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's to me, it's being a

785
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: father raising twins in this space. You have sons that

786
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: are in this space. To me, the second you start

787
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: making it about you and not about them is where

788
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: you miss me. Because I'm more critical about father than anything.

789
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: Like father is the best thing in the world to me,

790
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So so, like I said,

791
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: at first, I shouted in the mouth for being there

792
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: and doing and raising. But to me, now that the

793
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: light is on him and people are saying his name

794
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: and he's doing too much, man, you got to sit

795
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: down and play the back. And then the other other cat,

796
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: what's his name? You don't want to lose your kids, man,

797
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: you know. And then I just seen Alan Foster on

798
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fun's own but it was

799
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: on Instagram talking about Zoe has torn ligaments and his

800
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: ankles and it's not the shoes fault and he needs

801
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: to get Man, sit your motherfucking ass down. Stole a

802
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: bunch of he's allegedly stole like over a million dollars,

803
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: whether it was him, and then some people are saying

804
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: that had something to do with the dad. But you

805
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: need to be looked at dad. You are to worrying

806
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: by his dadd You need to be trying to find

807
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: him and look at him, shake his ass down, turn

808
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: him upside down and see where that money's at. Man.

809
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: But you out here saying that the kid has torn

810
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: ligaments and we'll see how the season goes. Man, sits

811
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: your motherfucking as down. That's that's the perfect example. You

812
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: can be up here. But as soon as somebody has

813
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: their own agenda, as soon as you start doing stuff

814
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: that's not best for the whole family, as soon as

815
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: you start getting your personal games, everything go down here

816
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: real fast. And unfortunately, I said, because they had a chance,

817
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: we can't let that happen to the young one. I

818
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: want to see the young one in the league for

819
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: a long time. He got games, excited six. He keeps

820
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: getting bigger too. That's a wrap man. Episode two, My guy,

821
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: good working with you. Man again, enjoyed it. So we

822
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: gotta do some of these micro because they sucking up

823
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: our handshake. We don't look like we got no swag

824
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: with our ship. Man come around, Yeah, man, man, should

825
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: we got soul? Was your hand in your pocket or something?

826
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: That's you're so sweaty man, I'm I got low moister

827
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Mayah Man baby, y'all all that look nice. They can't

828
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: even tell you smoke black anyway. Shout out to four

829
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: and I don't smoke black. Four smoke black anyway. Man.

830
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: Episode to hope you enjoyed it. You can find us

831
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: at Showtime Basketball, YouTube channel, Get That radio dot com,

832
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: and all major podcast platforms. We everywhere find us, man, Yeah,

833
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: what he said, You can find us there here, over there, everywhere.

834
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: We find him in the trap yep. All the smoke

835
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: we know. M h