1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg dayba Q podcast. Good morning, It's Thursday, 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: the twentieth of November. I'm Caroline Hepkit in London. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Carolin Brussels. Coming up today in Vidia's 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: earnings beat estimates as the AI chip joint delivers a 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: bullish forecast, easing market fears over soaring tech valuations. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump signs a law to compel the 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: Justice Department to release the Epstein files in a stunning 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: about face. 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: Plus a nine month Bloomberg investigation finds Oxford University has 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: repeatedly been slow to act against male academics accused of 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: sexual misconduct and inappropriate behavior. 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Global stocks have been boosted after and Nvidia delivered a 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: robust revenue forecast, easing worries about a potential AI bubble. 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Shares in the artificial intelligence chip job and surged by 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: five percent in post market trading on Wall Street. As 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: in videos, Headed expects sales of about sixty five billion 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: dollars in the three months to the end of January. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: That's roughly three billion more than analysts had predicted, the 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: world's most valuable company also reported third quarter results the 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: top donalyst estimates, with revenue up sixty two percent to 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: fifty seven billion dollars. In video, CEO Jensen Wang spoke 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: exclusively to Bloomberg. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: Sales are off the charts for Blackwell and in video 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: GPUs in the cloud are sold out. We got plenty 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: of Blackwells to sell you. We have lots of Blackwells coming, 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: We're making a lot of Blackwells, and we have a 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: bunch of Vera Rubens coming, and so business is very, 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: very strong. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: In video CEO referring there to Blackwell, the company's most 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: advanced chip and its upcoming upgrade, Vera Rubin. Jensen Wang 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: said last month of the company expects over five hundred 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: billion dollars in revenue in the coming quarters. Yesterday, the 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: cfo's jest they may surpass that target now. 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has signed legislation requiring the release 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: of all files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: It follows a month's long attempt to block the measure 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: by the President, in a fight that raised tensions within 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: the Republican Party. The bill passed by four hundred and 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: twenty seven to one votes in the House. Speaking ahead 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: of its signing, Bloomberg contributor and former Republican stratus Rick 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: Davis from a Stonecourt Capital predicted further controversy when. 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: These documents come out, and with all the search capability 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: you have, we're going to learn a lot of new things. 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: And if it's not clear what it is, the Department 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: of Justice and the Trump administration is going to come 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 4: under withering pressure to clarify things that are maybe redacted 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: and or not ultimately produced. 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: Stone Court Capital's Rick Davis speaking there, The decision inflicts 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: another political setback on the president, just two weeks after 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: his party suffered defeats in state and local elections. Only 53 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: four in ten Republicans approve of Trump's handling of the 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: Epstein files, according to a poll from Reutter's IPSOS in October. 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: China is considering new measures to revitalize its struggling property 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: market amid growing concerns about financial stability. The options being 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: floated include new buyer mortgage subsidies, raising income tax rebates 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: for homeowners, and lowering some transaction costs. Our Chief North 59 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: Asia correspondent Stephen Engel says the stalling market poses a 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: serious problem. 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 5: The property was now into its fourth or well past 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 5: his fourth year, into its fifth year, really, and it 63 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 5: is at the heart of all the big issues in 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 5: the Chinese economy, whether it's persistent deflation, lack of consumption, 65 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 5: it is all tied to, of course, household of households 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 5: feeling their wealth effect has deteriorated over the last a 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 5: half decade. 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: That'spienberk Stephen Engel. The plan is intended to lure back 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: home buyers who've been reluctant to enter the market, with 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the average to mortgage rate for buyer's first homes and 71 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: forty two big cities covering just above three percent in 72 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: recent months. 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: Minutes from the Federal Reserves October meeting revealed that many 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: officials said it was appropriate to keep interest rates steady 75 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. The record published yesterday 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: showed that several policymakers were against lowering the Fed's benchmark rate. 77 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: Here is Bloombggs Mike McKee. 78 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 6: Some thought that inflation was going to rise too high, 79 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 6: some thought that unemployment rise too high, and nobody could 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 6: agree on what to do. At the December meeting. In general, 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 6: they agreed that inflation had moved up, the economy was 82 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 6: expanding at a moderate pace, and the unemployment rate remained low, 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 6: but they did not agree on the. 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: Outlook Bloomberg's Mike McKee there. It comes as the Bureau 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: of Labor Statistics canceled it's October jobs report due to 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: the record long government shutdown in the US. Instead, it's 87 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: incorporating those figures into its November reports, set to be 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: published after the fed's final meeting of the U Today's 89 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: September non Van Payroll's figures could be the last piece 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: of big data that the FED sees before that decision, 91 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: which is on the tenth of December. Olds of a 92 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: December cut fell markedly yesterday, with traders pricing just a 93 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: twenty five percent chance, down from fifty percent earlier. 94 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: This week, senior Pentagon officials have arrived in Ukraine to 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: discuss efforts to end the war with Russia in a 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: meeting with President Vladimir Zelenski. It comes as an unofficial 97 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: US Russian proposal modeled on the Gaza ceasefire, received a 98 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: tempered reception from Ukraine supporters. Neither Washington nor Moscow have 99 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: officially confirmed the plan, which is said to feature major 100 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: concessions from Ukraine. Meanwhile, EU foreign ministers will meet today 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: in Brussels to look at further measures against Russia's shadow 102 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: fleet of tankers transporting oil. 103 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: The British Retail Consortium says that UK consume a confidence 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: tumbled in November after government hints about higher taxes, which 105 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: cause people to worry about their own personal finance. It's 106 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's un Pots has more. 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 7: The BRC's measure of UK consumer confidence slumped in November 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 7: to minus forty four, the worst reading since April, following 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 7: what it's CEO called a tumultuous month of budget speculation. 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 7: Almost sixty percent of Britains expect the economy to worsen 111 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 7: over the next three months, with only about one in 112 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 7: seven expecting a pickup. With less than a week until 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 7: the budget, the Chancellor will be hoping that yesterday's lower 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 7: inflation print fills consumers with at least a little bit 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 7: of Christmas cheer. In London, I'm ewing pots Bloomberg Radio. 116 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: And those are your top stories on the markets this hour. 117 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: The Mscirish Pacific Index one point one percent. Hire, the 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: Nicke and Tokyo is up by two point seven percent, 119 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: the cost be two point three percent. Hire European Stock 120 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: Future is also pointing to a strong open up nine 121 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: tenths for Eurostars fifty at the moment, Nasdaq futures one 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: point eight percent, hire SMP mini is up by one 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: point three percent. 124 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: Now, in a moment, we're going to bring you more 125 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 2: on Nvidia's strong growth forecast, plus a Bloomberg investigation into 126 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: harassment concerns at Oxford University. 127 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: But other story we've been reading this morning is about 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the luxury sector and apparently the era of quiet luxury 129 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: is over and we're now in the era of private luxury, 130 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: which is sad because I so much enjoyed saying quiet 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: luxury for such a long time. But this is according 132 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: to an interview with the CEO of the fashion brand Berluti, 133 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: who's been speaking to our colleague Chris Rovzar. Now, this 134 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: is a relatively small brand under the LVMH Empire. They're 135 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: best known as a shoemaker and leather goods brand, and 136 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: they don't have plans to expand beyond that, and that, 137 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: the CEO says, is part of this concept of private luxury. 138 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: He says that shoppers now want things that are distinctive 139 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: or rare rather than the trending item. But you know, 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: everyone's talking about and everyone has and also Chris has 141 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: been delving into some of his insights into the renewed 142 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: focus on quality from luxury shoppers as well. Just because 143 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: the sector has exploded and more people are spending on 144 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: luxury items doesn't mean that people don't want them to 145 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: be very good quality as well. And the McKenzie you 146 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: have actually published reports on this saying that you know, 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: luxury is kind of weakening some of its craftsmanship elements 148 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: by the fact that so much more money has gone 149 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: into the sector as well. It's an interesting insight into essentially, 150 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, this idea of keeping it small still being 151 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, something that a luxury, a leading luxury brand 152 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: can do. 153 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is finally the luxury that I 154 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: get quality, authenticity and not everyone knows about it. And 155 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: believeally obviously they have this kind of ombre style of 156 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: leather that is very beautiful. I get it. It's very 157 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: aspirational thousands of dollars just for leather jacket. But it's 158 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: not just Balluted that is taking this on as Chris 159 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: is sort of saying is a bit of a trend 160 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: because you also spoke to the Van Cleef and Apple CEO, 161 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: and also they don't want to expand because the other 162 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: thing is they don't want to expand beyond the thing 163 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: that they do very very well. But yes, maybe they. 164 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: Just like us, Caroline. That's why this podcast is so short. 165 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: We just like to keep it, you know, short and sweet. 166 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: So perhaps we too are considering ourselves private luxury. We'll 167 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: think about that. Let's bring you more though on our 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: top story this morning and the results from in Vidia 169 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: that are helping to dispel some of the fears that 170 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: the AI industry is in a bubble. Joining us to 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: discuss Matt Bloxham, Senior analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence. Matt, good morning. 172 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Let's start them with the forecast, which is a big 173 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: focus for markets from Nvidia. How bullish was it? 174 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 8: Moderately bullish? Show? I would say, you know, so, yeah, 175 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 8: so that the market was looking in the Q four 176 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 8: to be about sixty two billion of cells, as you 177 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 8: said earlier, that they're guiding to sixty five billion plus 178 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 8: or minus two percent, So that would be a beat 179 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 8: of anywhere between three and seven percent. So it's decent, 180 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 8: but it's not, you know, kind of a crazy upside. 181 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 8: And I think probably most people, if you kind of 182 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 8: push them, said, you know, really, you were probably thinking 183 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 8: that they would do more than that sixty two billion, 184 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 8: weren't you. I think the answer would be, but yes, 185 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 8: because you know, there is so much investment going into 186 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 8: this market from the big hyperscalers like Google and Amazon 187 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 8: and Meta. So you know, I think it's you know, encouraging, 188 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 8: but you know, I don't think it kind of really 189 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 8: changes the overall picture that people had in their heads. 190 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I like that very calm assessment. What in Video doing? 191 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: No. 192 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: One of the key questions in the report was what 193 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: the company expects from its China business as US government 194 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: is restricting the shipment we know of the advanced chips there. 195 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: Just want you to listen into what the CEO, Jensen 196 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: One told Bloomberg's Ed Ludlow in our exclusive interview about that. 197 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: Have a listen, and Video's forecast for China market is zero. 198 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: We're going to continue to engage the US government, continue 199 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: to engage the China government to advise them and to 200 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: encourage them to allow us to go back and compete 201 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: in the open market, and so until then we should 202 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: assume zero. 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So assuming zero matt, how important is China then 204 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: to in Vidia's growth, if not now sometime in the future. 205 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it used to be quite a big 206 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 8: part of their business, you know, probably fifteen to twenty 207 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 8: percent of the revenues. I think, you know, what he 208 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 8: says is a very appropriate thing assumption to have that 209 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 8: you know, China is going to be zero of their 210 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 8: business going forward. I think, you know, if you compare 211 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 8: the past to the future, Historically the issue was mainly 212 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 8: about US government restrictions. Obviously those restrictions are still there 213 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 8: and there are lots of different dynamics in that. I 214 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 8: think going forward is increasingly a competitive issue too, because 215 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 8: the likes of Huawei are catching up those technology is 216 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 8: still behind, but it is the gap is closing, and 217 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 8: the Chinese government is encouraging Chinese firms to use Chinese technology. 218 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 8: So I think even if the US restrictions are lifted, 219 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 8: a lot of Chinese companies, either because they see better 220 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 8: technology homegoing technology, or because they're listening to the government, 221 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 8: are simply not going to want to buy in video chips. 222 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: And something to keep an eye on the story, as 223 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: well as our latest reporting that White House officials are 224 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: urging members of Congress to reject a measure that would 225 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: limit in Video's ability to sell AI chips to China 226 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: or other adversary nations. That's something to keep an eye 227 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: on as that ledgister processes underway as well. But the 228 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: big picture from these results, do they dispel the fears 229 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: of an AI bubble or will we keep asking this 230 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: question every quarter until growth starts to slow down. 231 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 8: I think we're going to keep asking that question. I think, 232 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 8: you know, twenty twenty six is probably the turning point 233 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 8: because we've got very clear indications from their major customers, 234 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 8: which is still the hyperscalers, that their big investment age 235 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 8: is going to continue. So that's where this kind of 236 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 8: five hundred billion dollars of kind of forward demand that 237 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 8: in Vidio talk about is coming from. The turning point 238 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 8: comes when okay, right now, those big hyper scalers are 239 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 8: investing for current and also anticipated demand from their big 240 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 8: enterprise customers. Enterprise customers are still a very early stage 241 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 8: you're evaluating AI and how it's going to transform their businesses. 242 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 8: If they come to the conclusion that actually the return 243 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 8: on that investment isn't so exciting as they thought, and 244 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 8: their natural demand kind of starts to wane. Then the 245 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 8: hyperscalers are going to take their foot off the investment pedal. 246 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 8: That's going to infect in video, That affecting video that's 247 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 8: not going to happen for quite a few quarters to come. 248 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 8: So I think whise that kind of plays out, we're 249 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 8: still going to have these kind of questions, and I 250 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 8: think a lot of the focus is going to turn 251 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 8: to what big corporates are doing, and I think they're 252 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 8: quarterly results. People be asking what's your investment in AI, 253 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 8: how's it working out for you, what's the return on investment? 254 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 8: Because that's ultimately what's going to dispel that the bubble issue. 255 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Matt, great to have you with us. Thanks for 256 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: your analysis this morning. Mark blox and their senior analyst 257 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg Intelligence. 258 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybakube coming up after this. 259 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: Well now to a special Bloomberg investigation. University of Oxford 260 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: has repeatedly been slow to act against male academics accused 261 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: of sexual misconduct and inappropriate behavior, including alleged rapes, bullying 262 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: and predatory behavior towards more junior female staff and students. 263 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: That's according to a nine month investigation by Bloomberg's Katherine 264 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: Griffith based on documents and interviews with almost fifty people. 265 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: Well I sat down with Catherine to discuss her exclusive reporting, 266 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: and firstly, she began by telling me what she's uncovered. 267 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 9: We have found lots and lots of women have come 268 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 9: forward as part of our investigation. Some of them have 269 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 9: been very kind of emotional and found it quite difficult 270 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 9: to speak about things that have happened to them. Others 271 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 9: it hasn't necessarily had a huge individual toll, but have 272 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 9: come forward to talk about what they have experienced and 273 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 9: what some of people they know have experienced. And those 274 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 9: accounts have varied from some very very serious things like 275 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 9: people who have said they have been raped by individuals 276 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 9: while at Oxford University, to people who have been assorted 277 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 9: to people who feel that there it's best described as 278 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 9: sexual harassment, and it's a lot of different types of 279 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 9: experiences of things that have happened. But then also the 280 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 9: way when some of these people have tried to come 281 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 9: forward with those experiences have had some really difficult times 282 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 9: dealing with the university and trying to get the university 283 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 9: to hold individuals to account. How has the university responded 284 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 9: when you've put your reporting, including the serious allegations, to them. 285 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 9: So Oxford has given us an on the record statement 286 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 9: and they have said sexual harassment has no place at Oxford. 287 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 9: Our sympathies and thoughts are with anyone who has experienced 288 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 9: harassment or misconduct. We strive to ensure that Oxford is 289 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 9: always a safe space for all students and staff. We 290 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 9: take concerns seriously, applying robust procedures. Support for those affected 291 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 9: is a priority, and we take precautionary and or disciplinary 292 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 9: action where justified. We reject any suggestion that the university 293 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 9: tolerates harassment or puts reputation before people's safety. While we 294 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,239 Speaker 9: cannot comment on individual cases, we are committed to continuous 295 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 9: improvement and have strengthened our approach over recent years. Our 296 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 9: single comprehensive source of information sets out our approach, support 297 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 9: and training. We encourage anyone who has a concern to 298 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 9: raise it. 299 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the full Oxford University response. Do you 300 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: think that Oxford University is worse than other institutions? So 301 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: I think it has shown itself to be worse in 302 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: quite a few different ways. It's quite a complicated question 303 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: because different universities do things in slightly different ways, and 304 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: Oxford has certainly brought in changes over time, as indeed 305 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: have other universities and of course other institutions. But I 306 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: think both in terms of the actual procedures and rules 307 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: and also crucially in terms of how they are implemented 308 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: in people's attitudes, Oxford does have a problem that women 309 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: who are there today feel it is not really wanting 310 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: to deal with properly. What are the problems with universities 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: in general? 312 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 9: So universities have some really really big challenges in this 313 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 9: kind of area, and those are the clear power imbalances 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 9: that exist between tutors, professors and their students and their 315 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 9: junior academics, which can make it really, really hard for people, 316 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 9: whether it's sexual harassment or other problems, to bring a 317 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 9: challenge to their tutors or their senior colleagues. And we 318 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 9: see that both in terms of for example, people doing 319 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 9: say a PhD, where their supervisor is so so crucial 320 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 9: to the success of that PhD and their further career 321 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 9: that they really don't feel they can kind of bring 322 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 9: a challenge to those people, and for junior academics it 323 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 9: can be as bad, if not worse a problem because 324 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 9: people are very early on in their careers, they're very, 325 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 9: very dependent on people who can be very senior and 326 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 9: powerful in their sectors, not just in a direct relationship 327 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 9: they may have in terms of that un employment relationship 328 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 9: they may have, but also more widely, a senior person 329 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 9: may be well known throughout the sector and may therefore 330 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 9: play quite a big part in whether that younger junior 331 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 9: person is able to flourish in their chosen career. 332 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Do you think there has been any change. Your reporting 333 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: is both about things recently but also quite historic, So. 334 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 9: I think at Oxford there has been some change. For example, 335 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 9: they brought in a new policy in September this year 336 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 9: dealing mainly with problems that students may have. But actually 337 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 9: what really is quite striking is talking to people going back, 338 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 9: say twenty twenty five years up until the present day, 339 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 9: there have been several moments where people thought, finally it 340 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 9: was a real crisis that had kind of risen to 341 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 9: a level of consciousness that would force a stronger set 342 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 9: of changes. There was, for example, an incredibly sad example 343 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 9: of a young woman committing suicide in twenty thirteen that 344 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 9: people thought at the time would lead to Oxford introducing 345 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 9: stronger processes for dealing with senior academics. More recently, in 346 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 9: the last few years, there was some reporting by Al 347 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 9: Jazeera about certain professors at Oxford University that women at 348 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 9: Oxford at the time also thought would lead to big changes. 349 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 9: Some of those people talking to us now say how 350 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 9: disappointed they feel that that does not seem to have 351 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 9: led to change. 352 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 353 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 354 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 355 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 356 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 357 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 358 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 359 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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