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Speaker 3: this edition of Mixed Shots. So, Nick, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3: As I love the fact that you have made the
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just talking about our pre shows. It's
Speaker 2: been a smooth transition. Fortunately, it's the same job in
Speaker 2: essence at the end of the day, so you know,
Speaker 2: staying on top of the same things that I was
Speaker 2: staying on top of before. But yeah, I'm blessed on
Speaker 2: I'm a blessed individual to to still be around the
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Speaker 4: Today and to maybe save the Star Telegram. That's exactly right,
Speaker 4: moved in ages.
Speaker 3: Says an old newspaper guy who still takes his newspaper
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that I was out there to smart and
Speaker 4: grabbing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, all right, So make you what's on
Speaker 3: your mind. I can't believe it's already Wednesday. I know,
Speaker 3: it feels like the bye week is going quickly.
Speaker 2: It always goes quicker than he was gonna.
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna say first place, Dallas Stars unbeaten at that?
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 2: That is incredible? What a shootout?
Speaker 4: I went last night? I was there?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, I watched on the Victory app. It works, it does?
Speaker 2: So is that their own app? Have they developed it
Speaker 2: or is it just kind of.
Speaker 3: They actually one of the either Anaheim or l a
Speaker 3: Anaheim Okay, Anaheim is on it, and uh, they're there's
Speaker 3: a room I guess where other teams can join it whatever.
Speaker 3: So you just select the team of your choice and
Speaker 3: then and so there are three games that have been
Speaker 3: on Victory so far. They're all archived on there too,
Speaker 3: and so and there's team shows also.
Speaker 4: It's almost like going to Dallas Cowboys dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you get the game.
Speaker 3: Cowboys app and yeah, that would be the Cowboys now
Speaker 3: please Cowboys?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Would can you imagine that was? How fun would that be?
Speaker 3: You can spend all evening? Got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you this is the age of streaming
Speaker 2: is going to be very fascinating. How it all eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, settles in the next five years. How everything
Speaker 2: kind of trends to because you look at Amazon potentially
Speaker 2: having opportunities and teams starting their own apps. It's going
Speaker 2: to be very fascinating.
Speaker 3: What I love saying about it is that it's free.
Speaker 3: That Victory app is free. That's why I was tuned
Speaker 3: in last night.
Speaker 4: There's not many things on TV anymore that are free,
Speaker 4: That's that's right.
Speaker 3: And for myself not able to get Bally Sports Southwest
Speaker 3: because I never did. I never did convert over to
Speaker 3: Direct TV or wherever it is. I needed to find
Speaker 3: Bali Sports and I.
Speaker 4: Didn't do it out of principle, but go ahead, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And so it's been like four years of isolation for
Speaker 3: us when it comes to Stars, Mavericks, Ranger games.
Speaker 2: To be find these bootleg websites.
Speaker 3: That's right. It's nice to be able to without charge
Speaker 3: actually watch the game.
Speaker 4: And it's a good thing too because you you have
Speaker 4: multiple TVs in the house. Yeah right, I don't have
Speaker 4: to dominate the television. Yeah yeah, just go and watch it.
Speaker 3: On my own and I love watching it on my iPad.
Speaker 4: You know that I probably told this story before. When
Speaker 4: I was growing up in Chicago, the Blackhawks away games
Speaker 4: would be on TV WGN to start, and and I
Speaker 4: would commandeer the television to watch the black Hawk games
Speaker 4: all the time, right, And my parents got so tired
Speaker 4: of it they bought me a black and white nineteen
Speaker 4: inch TV to put in my bedroom.
Speaker 2: That's a wink.
Speaker 4: Then people didn't have two TVs.
Speaker 3: The nineteen inch television in your bedroom was the was
Speaker 3: that equivalent of an iPad? They gave you an iPad?
Speaker 3: What's your game.
Speaker 4: On the rabbit ear antennas?
Speaker 3: Oh see, that's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping this will
Speaker 3: get us back to where games are on free TV.
Speaker 3: That's all right, free app and let's do it advertiser,
Speaker 3: you know, generated revenue.
Speaker 2: So we got the whole thing figured out here on
Speaker 2: mix shots, that's right.
Speaker 3: We got well that's what we figured out on the
Speaker 3: Cowboys now app.
Speaker 4: Too, that's right. And now we're going to take care
Speaker 4: of the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we only have to say how much.
Speaker 2: We only got fifty four minutes and that's when Beam
Speaker 2: starts kicking us out.
Speaker 3: So all right, So what was your take on the
Speaker 3: story of the day yesterday? Nick?
Speaker 2: Oh? No shortage of headlines? Right, I certainly with Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones radio availability yesterday. That was a special one. I
Speaker 2: think that one's gonna be one of the more memorable
Speaker 2: ones we think back to over the course of the
Speaker 2: next few years. I think more so than anything, I
Speaker 2: think there's just there's pressure around this team right now.
Speaker 2: You look at it at three and three going into
Speaker 2: the bye week, and it's not a confident three and three.
Speaker 2: It's a pessimistic three and three. And the injuries have mounted, yes,
Speaker 2: and have that Have they played a role to some extent, absolutely,
Speaker 2: But I also think at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: there are there is talent on this team that has
Speaker 2: not really proven to play at the level that they've
Speaker 2: been expected to. I mean, look at Ceede Lamb specifically,
Speaker 2: he's been a guy that definitely looks like he has
Speaker 2: not had a training camp. You look at Dak Prescott
Speaker 2: and he has had a couple of games where he's
Speaker 2: kind of willed the team to the finish line Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: as an example, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: he probably could do more. I talked about it yesterday
Speaker 2: on Hanging with the Boys. Is there hasn't necessarily been
Speaker 2: a win yet where one of these guys just takes
Speaker 2: over a game. We haven't had the CD LAMB game
Speaker 2: like we had in Detroit last year. We haven't had
Speaker 2: the Micah Parsons game like we had a couple of
Speaker 2: times last year. And I do feel like there is
Speaker 2: some confidence moving forward into the season with that, because
Speaker 2: you will get those games eventually. But up until this point,
Speaker 2: it's definitely been a cumulative effort. And when one of
Speaker 2: those guys is not holding up their end of the bargain,
Speaker 2: you see what happens against New Orleans, against Baltimore, and
Speaker 2: then against Detroit when nobody shows up. So I think
Speaker 2: it's more so than ever, this has been a needed
Speaker 2: to be a team effort through these first six weeks,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you're just not getting it.
Speaker 4: They haven't been able to really put an entire game together.
Speaker 4: They were really good the first half in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 4: and then kind of no show the second half. They
Speaker 4: were good against Baltimore for one quarter, the fourth quarter right,
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh kind of close, and then this one not so much. So,
Speaker 4: you know, and the weird thing is you but we
Speaker 4: discussed this the other day. Bill. You know, you win
Speaker 4: three on the road and you lose three at home. Well,
Speaker 4: a lot of times it depends on who you're playing
Speaker 4: where you're playing them, because they've played pretty good competition
Speaker 4: at home compared to you know, on the road. On
Speaker 4: the road for sure. So and the other thing you
Speaker 4: touched on it you got injuries. There's a reason why
Speaker 4: we haven't had a Micah Parsons game. He hadn't been
Speaker 4: on the field for you know, two of them and
Speaker 4: left the third one at some point in the third
Speaker 4: quarter maybe, So we spend all week talking about injuries,
Speaker 4: and then guys don't play, and then they lose and
Speaker 4: it's like, well, what happened? Well, it helps if these
Speaker 4: guys are on the field now at some point, the
Speaker 4: majority of them are going to get back, maybe sooner
Speaker 4: than later. I would imagine DeMarcus Lawrence is out for
Speaker 4: giving to say Thanksgiving Thanksgiving probably, but you're gonna get
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks back, You're gonna get Michael Parsons back, You're
Speaker 4: gonna get Doron Bland back, Kalin Carson back. Uh. So
Speaker 4: that'll help that you're not just depending on rookie after
Speaker 4: rookie after second year guy who's not played to try
Speaker 4: to win against teams that are pretty darn good by
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 3: My biggest concern coming into the season, and I think
Speaker 3: for most people, it was the depth of the team
Speaker 3: because you're depending on so many of the either rookies
Speaker 3: or first or second year guys who haven't done it
Speaker 3: before now, but they're expected to make that step, and
Speaker 3: so injuries was going to Injuries were going to happen,
Speaker 3: because they happened with every team. The problem I think
Speaker 3: it's has been is that the injuries have occurred so
Speaker 3: early in the season, and those guys have had to
Speaker 3: step into those.
Speaker 4: Like a media media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no no time ramp up so to speak,
Speaker 3: you know, and so they were gonna you were gonna
Speaker 3: have growing pains with the young guys to begin with,
Speaker 3: and then you get thrown into the fire against really
Speaker 3: good teams. A Baltimore team that made it to the
Speaker 3: AFC Championship Game, a Detroit team that made it to
Speaker 3: the NFC Championship Game that was virtually fully healthy and
Speaker 3: looked right and and so those were not good matchups
Speaker 3: for this team and Baltimore.
Speaker 4: So when the Cowboys played them, were they owing two
Speaker 4: and two coming in? They haven't lost since right, right?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 4: They're four and two now, right so they're still pretty good,
Speaker 4: right everybody.
Speaker 3: And they yeah, they they're sitting there looking at their
Speaker 3: Raiders game that they lost, like we were looking at
Speaker 3: the Cowboys Arizona game last year that the Cowboys lost.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was one they had. They were up
Speaker 3: by ten in the fourth quarter and then somehow blew it.
Speaker 3: So they're more like a five and one team there.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's that was the bed that they had
Speaker 3: to lay in because of the salary cap issues and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and the lack of activity in
Speaker 3: the off season and free agency. They tried to make
Speaker 3: up for it once they got to training camp, signing
Speaker 3: veteran guys who if they had signed those guys back
Speaker 3: in March, everyone would say, okay, that they filled needs there. Well,
Speaker 3: it turns out that there's a reason those guys weren't
Speaker 3: signed back in March, some of them, you know. And
Speaker 3: so here we are. But they're three and three and
Speaker 3: they're one game out.
Speaker 2: And I think there will be some advantages to playing
Speaker 2: this young talent so much early on. It's just you're
Speaker 2: not going to see the benefits of that until you'd
Speaker 2: be lucky see it this season. But more so in
Speaker 2: the next couple of years. And if you're looking at
Speaker 2: this season in a vacuum, they get the experience, yes,
Speaker 2: but it's going to come with all the vacuums.
Speaker 3: The vacuum that's sucking them up right now is their schedule, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and the next five games in particular, and well six
Speaker 3: if you counted Detroit last week, where you're playing, uh
Speaker 3: for the next five opponents of first place teams, and
Speaker 3: the other one is Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: Can you go five hundred?
Speaker 3: Well, and then if you're that's that that's not the goal,
Speaker 3: but I think they should be. If they are, what
Speaker 3: would that be? Well, you can't go.
Speaker 4: How many games did you leave out?
Speaker 2: So you go at San Francisco, if you are right in.
Speaker 3: Philadelphia, Houston, and at Washington. And if let's say you
Speaker 3: went two and three during that time, then you're looking
Speaker 3: at five and six headed to Thanksgiving and then okay,
Speaker 3: to give you the Giants on Thanksgiving your six and
Speaker 3: six after Thanksgiving? Should they be okay with that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I think you need to win at least another game
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: So you need four and two. You need four and
Speaker 3: two and be seven and five.
Speaker 4: Look, is Philadelphia set in the world on fire?
Speaker 2: That's a one.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Atlanta, so you're putting the two ws.
Speaker 4: There, Washington. Look who they've played and look who they've
Speaker 4: lost to. When they've played a good team, they've gotten
Speaker 4: beat but they've played better though.
Speaker 2: The tough part that I look at is does does
Speaker 2: the opponent have a running game? And if the answer
Speaker 2: is yes, I almost immediately throw an L on the board.
Speaker 2: Look at Atlanta, they have two guys. San Francisco. If
Speaker 2: McCaffrey's back, then they'll have two guys. Philadelphia's got they've
Speaker 2: got they've got back at guys tough and that's fine,
Speaker 2: But then you've got to play well offensively.
Speaker 4: That's where all your talent is, where the majority of
Speaker 4: your money is. So you got to play well offensively.
Speaker 4: They got to get that going. Yeah. Otherwise, Yeah, if
Speaker 4: they're at the mercy of their defense, they're in trouble.
Speaker 2: The offense is not holding up. It's into the bargain
Speaker 2: at all, right, especially with the defense needing the extra
Speaker 2: help with all of the injured starters that have been
Speaker 2: out these last couple of weeks, the offense has been
Speaker 2: needed to step up. And when you look at it, yes,
Speaker 2: you are two and one in these previous three games.
Speaker 2: But you scored twenty twenty and nine, right, that's not
Speaker 2: the offense holding up there into the bargain.
Speaker 4: So the best offense they had fourth quarter against Baltimore,
Speaker 4: the first half against Cleveland, I agree, I agree, And
Speaker 4: then at the rest of it they struggled. And go
Speaker 4: figure with the talent you have, you know, and I
Speaker 4: know they were without Brandon Cooks in this game, and
Speaker 4: there will be since he's on IR, but I don't
Speaker 4: know that at that point. What he was doing at
Speaker 4: that point was a major deficit. You can manage with
Speaker 4: these other guys. You cannot manage when your offensive line
Speaker 4: is playing the way this offensive line is playing. Until
Speaker 4: they get that fixed or better, they're going to.
Speaker 3: Struggle, all right, And when we come back on mix shots,
Speaker 3: let's talk about fixing the offensive line.
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Speaker 3: Little Stars, Okay, do we need patients with this offensive line?
Speaker 2: What a transition.
Speaker 4: That's a true question. Very good there, bill a boy Daz. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think with the offensive line, specifically patients is actually funny.
Speaker 2: I think it is probably one of the trades that's needed.
Speaker 2: Whenever you look at.
Speaker 3: It, they don't have time, they don't have time for patients, and.
Speaker 2: They don't have time for it this season. And I
Speaker 2: think obviously you could look at the two most important
Speaker 2: positions on the offensive line center and left sackle. I
Speaker 2: know arguments can be made for other spots, but those
Speaker 2: are mine and whenever you're putting rookies in those spots,
Speaker 2: that are playing those positions for the very first time
Speaker 2: for a full season, you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 2: lumps and bruises. And I think you've seen it with
Speaker 2: Tyler Guidon, maybe not as much with Cooper Beb, but
Speaker 2: there's they've still been there. He he's not getting into
Speaker 2: the second level as as as often as you would like,
Speaker 2: especially with the running game that has been non existent
Speaker 2: over the course of the first couple of or for
Speaker 2: the first few weeks. It's it's gonna take time. And
Speaker 2: I think also you factor in Zach Martin just had
Speaker 2: his worst game as a pro, I think by a
Speaker 2: mile against Detroit, and if that kind of trend is
Speaker 2: going to continue, then the rest of the offensive line
Speaker 2: needs to find room to be able to pick up
Speaker 2: the slack a little bit. I think the only guy
Speaker 2: that is playing at the level that we have gotten
Speaker 2: used to seeing from that offensive line over the last
Speaker 2: few years has been Tyler Smith. The other four guys,
Speaker 2: they're gonna need to step up, and I there's patients needed,
Speaker 2: but we don't really have the patients for the guys
Speaker 2: like Zach Martin and Terrence Steele, only because those are
Speaker 2: the guys that have been here those are the veterans
Speaker 2: that are expected to help kind of elevate that room
Speaker 2: whenever the rookie rookies do need some time to be
Speaker 2: able to step up. So I think all in all,
Speaker 2: there's definitely got to be a different approach with this
Speaker 2: group of five upfront coming out of the by and
Speaker 2: definitely they're not going to wait around because it's San Francisco,
Speaker 2: so there's gonna be some big time defensive linemen coming out.
Speaker 3: I think one of the big concerns as far as
Speaker 3: Zach Martin is he became a patient last week. Thank you,
Speaker 3: he showed up on the injury report. We bat back
Speaker 3: and a Lee McNeil was rewarded for his efforts on
Speaker 3: Sunday with a four year, ninety seven million dollars fifty
Speaker 3: five million guaranteed contract from the Lions yesterday.
Speaker 4: We'll say what that does to their depth because they've
Speaker 4: got all the answers. By the way, Yeah, heped both
Speaker 4: days in practice, actually three days in practice, because he
Speaker 4: really didn't hardly take part in the walkthrough, and it
Speaker 4: was a walkthrough, so he's got a back issue. We
Speaker 4: look at that and then we go, oh, it didn't
Speaker 4: play well well at least he played. If nothing else,
Speaker 4: I thought before that, I don't know that he was
Speaker 4: at the level that we're used to seeing, but he
Speaker 4: was still good. But then I think the back got
Speaker 4: in a way, so they got a hope the two
Speaker 4: weeks off helps him out. They got a hope that. Look,
Speaker 4: if you're having trouble at the tackle position, I get it,
Speaker 4: but you can't be stubborn. Help them out when they're
Speaker 4: playing against top defensive ends that rushed the quarterback. I
Speaker 4: don't care if that takes somebody out of the receiving
Speaker 4: the route tree or whatever. Help him out, because if
Speaker 4: you don't protect the quarterback, you're not going to get
Speaker 4: any You're not going to get any any production from
Speaker 4: the wide receivers. So I think they've got to make
Speaker 4: a significant adjustment, and you're gonna have to go with
Speaker 4: five guys in the same spot as best you can.
Speaker 3: And that depends on the health of Tyler Geyton.
Speaker 4: Right, and if Guidan's ready to go, then okay, put
Speaker 4: them back out there and go through the growing, praying pains.
Speaker 4: But at least get five guys functioning together.
Speaker 3: Not this chess. You know, one of the keys on
Speaker 3: that too, is getting Tyler Goyton in practice.
Speaker 4: Right, and he's got a practice, That's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, he said. As Mike McCarthy said in
Speaker 3: his press conference on Monday, he said, he had to
Speaker 3: tell Tyler that you got to practice. Yeah, the importance
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: You do have four tight ends on this roster for
Speaker 2: a reason as well, like you said, helping out, helping
Speaker 2: out these tackles.
Speaker 4: If we got to go two tight ends, you know,
Speaker 4: if it's my team and we got to go two
Speaker 4: tight ends, put them out there.
Speaker 2: It's not like taking Schoonmaker or Brevin span Ford out
Speaker 2: of the receiving equation would be that big of a
Speaker 2: loss at this point, just because we haven't seen the
Speaker 2: receiving production this season. So exactly, use that blocking ability
Speaker 2: that they that they do have or that they trust
Speaker 2: that they have and help out these tackles.
Speaker 4: And if I got to take the running back out
Speaker 4: of it, let them chip right and just make sure
Speaker 4: Lipkey is getting the right guy well and there.
Speaker 3: And they've got the Kyle Yustchek starter kit in Hunter
Speaker 3: Lipke right, and even with two backs, you know, there's
Speaker 3: he's got tight end traits and as well as running
Speaker 3: back traits.
Speaker 4: And don't be afraid Dak to check the ball down
Speaker 4: if if that's what you have to do. And I
Speaker 4: think the mindset has to change a little to compensate
Speaker 4: for the experience lack of experience you have at those spots.
Speaker 4: I mean, you just can't be stubborn.
Speaker 3: But the but the improvement that they anticipated having in
Speaker 3: the run game was predicated on the offensive line being improved.
Speaker 4: This year, and so far it has not been right right,
Speaker 4: And to me, that's and.
Speaker 3: So you're when you invest a first round draft pick
Speaker 3: and a left tackle, you're expecting that guy to be
Speaker 3: out there playing, And yeah, there is going to be
Speaker 3: growing pains when it's it's not a high first round pick,
Speaker 3: it's a late first round pick, and he was what
Speaker 3: the sixth or seventh offensive tackle taken in that draft, right,
Speaker 3: and then with the rookie making the line calls at
Speaker 3: center and a third round pick starting at a rookie, and.
Speaker 2: They also have a couple of veterans regressing a little bit, showing.
Speaker 3: Out show a nearly thirty four year old future Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer.
Speaker 4: So until they get that settled this offense, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure how productive it's going to be. Because as we
Speaker 4: said going into the game, when we knew the injuries
Speaker 4: on defense were mounting. Nowheric Kendricks, you better score thirty
Speaker 4: something if you wanted to win. It turned out you
Speaker 4: needed to score forty something, but you needed to and
Speaker 4: you don't know how the game would have changed if
Speaker 4: your first two red zone possessions ended up in the
Speaker 4: end zone.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, red zone execution has been so bad.
Speaker 4: Right, You were good enough to move there and then
Speaker 4: you can't finish. It wasn't penalties this time, but you know,
Speaker 4: you get broken plays. You tried to run the ball,
Speaker 4: you didn't. Dak gets in a hurry throwing in the
Speaker 4: end zone, it gets intercepted. You just got if they
Speaker 4: scored touchdowns there, at least you're sort of keeping pace
Speaker 4: and Detroit's not playing nilly willy, you know, because now
Speaker 4: it's a say it's a fourteen fourteen game or even
Speaker 4: fourteen ten, Right, you just got to score those touchdowns
Speaker 4: after you drive that far two possessions in a and
Speaker 4: then after that you get behind and now you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about red zone turnovers. The fumble that
Speaker 2: Cede Lamb had against Baltimore. You flip that script, and
Speaker 2: there's probably an opportunity to come back and win that
Speaker 2: game in the fourth quarter. Right you look at a
Speaker 2: red zone turnover against Pittsburgh if you don't convert on
Speaker 2: that fourth and goal to Jalen Tolbert at the end
Speaker 2: of the game, you look at that as a as
Speaker 2: a pivotal play in the game. And then yes, it
Speaker 2: ended up being a domino effect from in the Detroit
Speaker 2: game after the CD Lamb or after the Brian Branch
Speaker 2: interception on the targeted to ced Lamb. But you score
Speaker 2: on that play and things maybe look a little bit
Speaker 2: different in the first half and you can kind of
Speaker 2: get back in that game a little bit. But red
Speaker 2: zone turnovers have been awful for this team. Red zone
Speaker 2: execution has been bad for this team. We talked about
Speaker 2: red zone execution around this time last year too, and
Speaker 2: so I wonder if how much approach and how much
Speaker 2: intention is taken into that. And I think whenever you
Speaker 2: ask Mike McCarthy, the number one thing that he is
Speaker 2: worried about is the turnover margin. Giving up five turnovers
Speaker 2: of this game and not being able to take away anything,
Speaker 2: only generating five takeaways so far this season. That's a problem.
Speaker 2: You gotta be able to play complimentary footba all with
Speaker 2: an offense like this.
Speaker 3: Do they have enough at wide receiver? Have they had
Speaker 3: enough going back to even the draft at wide receiver?
Speaker 4: I think they have enough. If Brandon Cooks is out
Speaker 4: there healthy healthy, yeah, because I think he did not
Speaker 4: play in the first before the Giants game. I don't
Speaker 4: know how healthy it was with that knee, because we
Speaker 4: saw him in training camp, right. I have felt was
Speaker 4: the guy.
Speaker 2: He was great up until he banged up his knee
Speaker 2: very late in camp.
Speaker 3: I have felt all along they don't have enough at
Speaker 3: wide receiver. And you subtracted Michael Gallop and yeah, you're you're,
Speaker 3: you're And as much as you're promoting year, promoting from within,
Speaker 3: he was your he was your third receiver. You're promoting
Speaker 3: from within, you haven't added I'm Ryan Lanoy, a six
Speaker 3: round draft pick. You can't expect a sixth round draft
Speaker 3: pick to do anything in the rookie year. And I think,
Speaker 3: and there's evidenced by what you're seeing around the league
Speaker 3: yesterday with Amari Cooper going no, I'm saying no. What
Speaker 3: I said all along is I wanted a wide receiver
Speaker 3: in that draft, and I thought there were wide receivers
Speaker 3: to be taken in that draft, and now you had
Speaker 3: other positions of need too, But in my estimation, there
Speaker 3: are enough positions of need. You take the best player
Speaker 3: at a position of need, and you go across the board.
Speaker 3: With the exception of quarterback. You had positions of need
Speaker 3: throughout this team. And every year it's like that. And
Speaker 3: then we get to a point now mid season and okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: and one of those wide receivers gets hurt, and now
Speaker 3: you're down. You're down wide receivers. You know, you go
Speaker 3: back to two thousand and nine and you don't draft
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, and then you have to make a
Speaker 3: trade for Roy Williams and then you make a t
Speaker 3: rad for Amari Cooper in twenty seventeen because you felt like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're fine at wide receiver. I think they're in the
Speaker 3: exact same boat they were though both of those years
Speaker 3: where they don't since you haven't added to the mix.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking a top one hundred pick. Okay, at
Speaker 3: the wide receiver position, then your weapons and when you
Speaker 3: compare it to what weapons are on other teams, you're
Speaker 3: down at that position. And yesterday Okay, you got Buffalo
Speaker 3: tried to go after losing Sephon Dings. They added a
Speaker 3: high second round wide receiver and they're still down. Well,
Speaker 3: they also lost Gabe Davis and so now they've replaced
Speaker 3: him by acquiring Amari Cooper. Okay, and the Jets are
Speaker 3: the same way. They needed someone else to go along
Speaker 3: with Garrett Wilson to go along with Allen Lazard, and
Speaker 3: they brought in Mike Williams, and he wasn't the guy obviously,
Speaker 3: And now they've got their guy in Devonte Adams. You
Speaker 3: look at the Packers and what they have, and the
Speaker 3: Packers one year they decided and two years ago that
Speaker 3: we are going to use all of our draft collateral
Speaker 3: on receivers. And so they just from the second round
Speaker 3: to the fifth round they were drafting tight ends and
Speaker 3: wide receivers and all those guys are are coming through
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of it falls on play calling too,
Speaker 2: though I have a little bit more confidence in this
Speaker 2: receiving core than most just because I have seen these
Speaker 2: guys do it whenever there is an opportunity to you.
Speaker 2: You look at Tolbert last week in Pittsburgh. You know
Speaker 2: there was an opportunity for him to step up, and
Speaker 2: I feel like he did. You look at Cooks last
Speaker 2: year whenever the buzz started to get hot, that he
Speaker 2: wasn't getting involved in this offense and he was a
Speaker 2: waste of a trade, and then he explodes in that
Speaker 2: game against New York and he finishes the season really strong.
Speaker 2: I've seen these guys do it, Ceedee Lamb last year
Speaker 2: the season that he had. But I do feel like
Speaker 2: this team, and it kind of goes back to the
Speaker 2: red zone issues. They have not had a big target
Speaker 2: since Daz, a reliable big target since Dez. And if
Speaker 2: they could go get a guy that can be that
Speaker 2: red zone the threat that can be six to three
Speaker 2: plus and just go jump up with anybody in the league,
Speaker 2: you can allow these other guys to be so much
Speaker 2: more spread out. They can run these West Coast concepts
Speaker 2: a lot more freely because you're always going to have
Speaker 2: that guy who can break off the top of the
Speaker 2: defense with a big, possession skill receiver like that.
Speaker 4: So should have kept Racy McMath. Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: You know, Kelvin Harmon's waiting on the practice squad.
Speaker 4: So and since you brought it up. No, you probably
Speaker 4: didn't want Amari Cooper back, right, and it wasn't going
Speaker 4: to cost you much because they had already paid his
Speaker 4: base salary, so it was going to be less than
Speaker 4: a million dollars. So everybody's jumping on, well you got
Speaker 4: to go get Devontae Adams. Well here's the part, and
Speaker 4: I read about it, and it's inexcusable to write twenty
Speaker 4: five thirty inches on trying to, you know, get those
Speaker 4: wide receivers and not making a move without explaining that.
Speaker 4: Number one, the rest of his base salary this year
Speaker 4: is eleven point six million, and he's under contract for
Speaker 4: the next two years with cap charges of thirty six
Speaker 4: point two five million. Pay You can't do it right,
Speaker 4: but no one wants to point that out. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: the cowboys aren't doing anything. They're not trying. Well, okay,
Speaker 4: you're trying within what your salary cap allows. Now the Raiders,
Speaker 4: and here's what happens when you miss on those things
Speaker 4: or you decide to wash your hands. Their cap charge
Speaker 4: this year thirteen point sixty seven million dead. Next year
Speaker 4: fifteen point seven million dead because he didn't finish with
Speaker 4: guaranteed money. So you make mistakes like that are costly.
Speaker 4: It costs.
Speaker 2: I think the mistake for Vegas' perspective was not putting
Speaker 2: anything around him. And yeah, and you're like a quarterback anything, yeah,
Speaker 2: quarterback specifically, but anything, no running game. You talk about
Speaker 2: one of the worst backfields that I've seen in a
Speaker 2: long time. I mean, they don't have a quarterback or
Speaker 2: running back. It's tough. I think that's eventually what drove
Speaker 2: him out.
Speaker 4: And then the other question that keeps coming up, well,
Speaker 4: why don't they try for Hassan Reddick. Well, he's on
Speaker 4: a team, by the way, even though he's not on
Speaker 4: the team.
Speaker 2: And why is he not on the team because he
Speaker 2: wants to get paid, right, So.
Speaker 4: Can you have two receivers making thirty million a year?
Speaker 4: Probably not though, and so, but you're right. The way
Speaker 4: you solve that is through the draft. Now, they did
Speaker 4: spend a third round pick on Tolbert and he seems
Speaker 4: to be coming along. If you got Cooks out there, okay,
Speaker 4: then the other guys are fourth you know, fourth rotation
Speaker 4: at the fourth wide receiver spot.
Speaker 3: But now Tolbert was twenty twenty two. So you've gone
Speaker 3: two drafts now without taking a top one hundred wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've taken this year, you've got a linebacker.
Speaker 4: And I had four picks.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you had needs at.
Speaker 4: Every single one of those third round yeah.
Speaker 3: But in your top hundred picks, you had needs at
Speaker 3: all four of those positions where you made picks.
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you, guys. Let's pretend it's
Speaker 2: the MLB and we're doing the draft in the middle
Speaker 2: of the season. If the draft was tomorrow and you
Speaker 2: could guarantee, hey, you can take this player at this
Speaker 2: position and it will that this player will contribute right
Speaker 2: away and it will fill your need. There, what position
Speaker 2: are you taking it out?
Speaker 3: Are we talking about next year's drafts? And where just
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: If you could place a player on this team right
Speaker 2: now in the middle of the season, you know, but
Speaker 2: I'll take.
Speaker 4: A college player like college player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not draft eligible for another two years, but
Speaker 3: I'll take that Alabama wide receiver, seventeen year old Ryan Williams,
Speaker 3: that too, I'll take you don't you don't want Hunter.
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 3: You go because he plays stupid.
Speaker 4: After the game, that's true, and then he can't get hurt.
Speaker 3: And then he's not available to play the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: of the game, and that's right, Or we'll let you
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 4: Why, well, it probably would be wide receiver because you
Speaker 4: needed the linebackers, so you already did that. You needed
Speaker 4: the center, you did that, you needed the defensive end.
Speaker 4: You did that. You didn't plan on him getting hurt, right,
Speaker 4: having to go on.
Speaker 3: I R who do you have in mind? Nick?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm thinking either running back or receiver. I honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm that Ashton Genty.
Speaker 4: He is fun. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't think this franchise will ever spend a
Speaker 2: first round pick on a running back ever. Again, I don't,
Speaker 2: I truly.
Speaker 3: Do not, although it seems to be working for the Lions, true,
Speaker 3: and there are some other teams now that we talk
Speaker 3: about the importance of the run game. You know, it's
Speaker 3: funny how it all goes in cycles as long as
Speaker 3: you don't have to spend the big money for the
Speaker 3: running backs. And now it's come down where you don't
Speaker 3: have to spend big on the second contract. You don't
Speaker 3: have to spend the big money on the running back,
Speaker 3: and so now it become more in vogue to go
Speaker 3: ahead and take a running back in the first round.
Speaker 4: So could a running back behind this offensive line make
Speaker 4: a difference? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Defensive tackles another option. Yes, you do that two out
Speaker 2: of three years. Who I'd be tough to swallow.
Speaker 4: Right, And you tried bringing in a veteran and he's
Speaker 4: on ir Jordan Phillips. You tried to bring in another veteran,
Speaker 4: Lynnville Joseph.
Speaker 3: And he's now thirty six years.
Speaker 4: He may have aged out. Yeah, yeah, all right against
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Speaker 3: on Mixed Shots. You know, Jimmy Johnson wrote a book
Speaker 3: Once upon a time. The name of it was Turning
Speaker 3: the Thing Around. Right, Okay, that's going back thirty years ago.
Speaker 3: If you look at the Lions. I just came across
Speaker 3: this how quickly the Lions turned it around this season
Speaker 3: as far as scoring points. Their first three games of
Speaker 3: the year overtime went over the Rams. They scored twenty
Speaker 3: six points. We just talked about how the Cowboys aren't
Speaker 3: scoring enough points. So the last three games, even though
Speaker 3: they're won two out of the last three, it's what
Speaker 3: offenses scored twenty twenty to nine, all right, So in
Speaker 3: regulation the Lions scored twenty sixteen and twenty their first
Speaker 3: three games of the year against the Rams, Tampa Bay,
Speaker 3: and Arizona. And then they come back and they get
Speaker 3: forty two against Seattle and after a bye week they
Speaker 3: get forty seven against Dallas. So how quickly can you
Speaker 3: turn this thing around? And it brings me to the
Speaker 3: Cowboys in last year. And you go into the bye
Speaker 3: last year coming off a game at San France Go
Speaker 3: and then squeaked out a win against the Chargers and
Speaker 3: then come back played the Rams, and then the second
Speaker 3: half of the season, so to speak, the offense was clicking.
Speaker 3: So how quickly can you turn this thing around?
Speaker 2: It's certainly possible. We've seen it. I do believe that
Speaker 2: the offense will get back on track. I do have
Speaker 2: belief there. It's the defensive side of the wall that
Speaker 2: I'm worried about, but different conversation. Offensively, Dak and CD
Speaker 2: are going to get it figured out. I have confidence
Speaker 2: in that. I think this bye week will be huge
Speaker 2: for them to be able to figure that one out.
Speaker 2: And CD had even said, this is a really good
Speaker 2: opportunity for us to get reps outside of.
Speaker 4: The building, except yeah, it's going to have to be outside.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly outside of the building. Last year, after the
Speaker 2: bye week, we saw a lot more creativity thrown into
Speaker 2: the offense, a lot more pre snap motion, a lot
Speaker 2: more personnel changes in the backfield. Now, granted we've seen
Speaker 2: that more so in the front half of the season
Speaker 2: this year, but there was more creativity. There was more
Speaker 2: of an approach on getting guys open in space, and
Speaker 2: we haven't necessarily seen that in the first six games
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 4: You're almost trying to throw guys open.
Speaker 2: Exactly and you're throwing it into tight windows and routes
Speaker 2: that are being run are not allowing for a big separation.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys rank amongst the worst in the NFL and
Speaker 2: average arge of separation from their receiving group, and I
Speaker 2: think that's more so a reflection of the scheme and
Speaker 2: what they're being called to do. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: necessarily a reflection of their skill level, because you look
Speaker 2: at a guy like Brandon Cooks, that's one of the
Speaker 2: best separators in the league. You look at a guy
Speaker 2: like Ceedee Lamb, he was he was getting separation last
Speaker 2: year at will. So I think it's more so just
Speaker 2: trying to scheme these guys up in one on one
Speaker 2: opportunities and allow them to beat a guy one on one,
Speaker 2: and we haven't seen that.
Speaker 3: By the way, another bit of injury news or in
Speaker 3: the division, Andrew Thomas lost for the season, had Liz
Speaker 3: Frank surgery yesterday, which brings me back to the Cowboys
Speaker 3: offensive line. When you are trying to get continuity on
Speaker 3: that offensive line and you want Tyler Smith, who made
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl as a left guard, if you don't
Speaker 3: want to move him around every time Tyler Goeyton needs
Speaker 3: to take plays off or games off, is there a
Speaker 3: thought that you would try And also with the issues
Speaker 3: that Zach Martin might be having health wise, okay, and
Speaker 3: where TJ Bass is your swing guard? Okay? Can you
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing this out there. Can you go with
Speaker 3: a combination of Tyler Geyiton and Awesome Richards at left tackle,
Speaker 3: Leave Tyler Smith at left guard if Geydon can't go,
Speaker 3: and you put Awesome Richards at left tackle, put.
Speaker 2: Austin Richards at left tackle. They had an opportunity to
Speaker 2: do that, ye know, they didn't do it this time.
Speaker 2: This time, yeah yeah, And they were thrown into a
Speaker 2: situation where they needed to throw in a left tackle
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. It made a little bit more sense to
Speaker 2: go ahead and put Tyler Smith there because to task,
Speaker 2: you know. But then he had a week to prepare.
Speaker 2: And they still put Tyler Smith at left tackle.
Speaker 3: Right and uh and uh, and they had success, the
Speaker 3: best the best game running the football against Pittsburgh with
Speaker 3: that combination, which it made sense to okay, let's keep
Speaker 3: this thing going.
Speaker 4: And that was intentional, by the way. That wasn't not a.
Speaker 3: Desperation, the intentional that they left it the way it
Speaker 3: was after the Pittsburgh Yeah right, And.
Speaker 2: I think this conversation has the caveat of Chumley Doga
Speaker 2: is coming back there you go, and this just sucked
Speaker 2: his teeth. This staff still believes in his ability as
Speaker 2: a left tackle. It blows my mind. I have always
Speaker 2: stood on the table camp he is a better guard,
Speaker 2: and I think he would be a great depth guard.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the force of putting him at tackle,
Speaker 2: but that's what the team still believes. And I firmly
Speaker 2: believe that if Gotton were to go down and eat
Speaker 2: Doga is healthy, they'll keep Smith at left guard and
Speaker 2: they'll put Doga at left tackle, just like they did
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: But I just think that they've got to They've got
Speaker 3: to figure out the three line. They've got to get
Speaker 3: the offensive line going in order to get things.
Speaker 4: What Awesome out that that's basically three rookies in your
Speaker 4: offensive line exactly. I mean, from an experience standpoint.
Speaker 2: Has Awesome played a snap?
Speaker 4: He didroit game he did.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, And as it turned out, it
Speaker 3: was the whole fourth quarter, I mean basically in a
Speaker 3: blowout game he got.
Speaker 4: Well, they moved the ball, yeah, just turned it over. Which,
Speaker 4: by the way, when we keep talking about the five turnovers,
Speaker 4: what two or three of them were after the fact.
Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter Flinoyd fumble, rush interception, turp and
Speaker 2: fumble absolutely so.
Speaker 4: They had two turnovers if they want to refer to
Speaker 4: turnovers getting in the way, those were the two that
Speaker 4: really hurt or added to what was going on.
Speaker 3: Awesome had eighteen snaps in that game.
Speaker 4: Eighteen they moved right down the field. Good for him
Speaker 4: with rush in there. I don't know what Detroit had
Speaker 4: in at that time before that.
Speaker 2: He had forty one career snaps offensively and then eighteen
Speaker 2: in that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those would have probably been all mop up time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely rookie.
Speaker 3: So the Giants now going with Evan Neil. If there
Speaker 3: was a seventh pick in the draft who didn't make
Speaker 3: the starting lineup at right tackle, that.
Speaker 2: Life could be worse up front.
Speaker 3: That's right, life could be worse.
Speaker 4: Oh, nobody makes mistakes.
Speaker 2: Left Leatherwood. That was another one out there. I thought
Speaker 2: he was going to be good to that was that
Speaker 2: was an Alabama guys. Yeah, something something in the water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well that was fun.
Speaker 4: And we didn't even bring up Jerry, did we slightly?
Speaker 3: I tried to, but Nick did not go there.
Speaker 2: I pivoted.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: It was fun. Crushing the party, fellas. Thanks for letting
Speaker 2: me come on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard at the NFL meetings. He doubled down.
Speaker 3: I did hear that? Mickey apparently wants to talk about
Speaker 3: Jerry here he said.
Speaker 2: I said what I said, and I stood on it.
Speaker 2: He put his foot on the table, and.
Speaker 3: I have a mixed shot. Mickey.
Speaker 4: No, we probably ought to leave well enough alone. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all get going. At some point I would offend somebody.
Speaker 3: Okay, somebody though at the end of the show. And
Speaker 3: I know you are a journalist, Nick Harris, Mickey, you
Speaker 3: have tried to be a journalist too, but some one
Speaker 3: at the end of this show has to assume the
Speaker 3: role of Everson Walls and saying, go cowboy.
Speaker 4: May we have a drop.
Speaker 2: So we have a drop back there, beam.
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