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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fire Pit Collective for yet another

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Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcast. I'm Machine Ellen. I'm joined by Alan

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Speaker 1: Schipnuk in London who's just covered the first inaugural live event,

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, we want to buy your store and

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Speaker 1: we want you to come run our hardware department at

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Speaker 1: home Depot. And the guy was just so mad about

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Speaker 1: big business and so against you know, this Wall Street

431
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Speaker 1: money coming in and building this home depot, and he

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Speaker 1: ran him out of his office and six months after

433
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Speaker 1: they opened, he went bankrupt and lost everything. Was he right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't like queer the money was coming from.

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Speaker 1: He didn't like where it was coming from. But the

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Speaker 1: reality was that this he couldn't compete, and like it

437
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Speaker 1: or not, that's I think that's where this is going

438
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Speaker 1: to go. Um if you know, I think in this

439
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Speaker 1: situation and the book of Art of War, uh, I

440
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Speaker 1: still say the Tours shouldn't have at least had meetings

441
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Speaker 1: and seeing that there was some kind of common ground

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Speaker 1: to move forward, because I don't think lives going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I really don't The tours arrogance. Obviously, the Tours arrogance

444
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Speaker 1: has definitely been him in the ass. I mean, and

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Speaker 1: several times, this great disruption is happening because of the

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Speaker 1: you know, in large part because of the Tours arrogance,

447
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, Ryan, you know, they've been the only

448
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Speaker 1: show in town. And uh, you know, I think they

449
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Speaker 1: believe that the political ramifications would would offset it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, once Dunce Dustin left, now the next guy

451
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Speaker 1: really is going to face almost No, he's gonna face

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Speaker 1: some on Twitter Hill face some, but in the scope

453
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Speaker 1: of things, he's not gonna face things. Right Like Dustin

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Speaker 1: took all the heat, Bryson is gonna take some more heat,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean a little bit of the less heat.

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Speaker 1: Patrick's taking a little less heat Patrick Perez. They've already

457
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Speaker 1: forgot about, uh, you know, like the next guy, unless

458
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Speaker 1: it's a huge, huge name like Rory or Tiger or whatever,

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Speaker 1: like abe answer goes, No, one's gonna be mad. Like

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like there'll be some very vocal people, man.

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Speaker 1: But I think in the scheme of things, and that's

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Speaker 1: what the too are underestimated, in my opinion, they're just like, yes,

463
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Speaker 1: we have the greatest product. Yes we're fine, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: This thing won't go and here we are. It's going. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Monahan badly overestimated the value of PGA tour membership.

466
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Speaker 1: He thought that was his his ace. Like if you

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Speaker 1: guys go, you're not gonna be to members anymore. And

468
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Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, no worries, we're gone. And um, I

469
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: think you know, Chepec has said this for years, like

470
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Speaker 1: if you're a good player, you're focused on the majors

471
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Speaker 1: and all these other events in between are just filler

472
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Speaker 1: where you can work on a game and or you know,

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Speaker 1: feel your corporate commitment. But you know, in some places

474
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Speaker 1: you might have an emotional attachment like a pebble beach

475
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But is a live event in London any

476
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Speaker 1: different than you know, the Greater Hartford Open. I mean

477
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Speaker 1: it's kind of similar crowd, similar energy, similar field. Like

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Speaker 1: I think that that Monahan's critical mistake here was overvaluing

479
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Speaker 1: what the PGA tour means that these guys and Graham

480
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Speaker 1: McDowell said, you know, people don't want to hear this,

481
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Speaker 1: but it's just a business decision for us, Like is

482
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Speaker 1: a golfer you gotta look at how am I spending

483
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Speaker 1: my time and what's the return on the investment? And um,

484
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Speaker 1: so I think this has been laid bare. They need

485
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Speaker 1: romanticism about you know, you have all these relationships in

486
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Speaker 1: the community and the tournament directors and these longtime volunteers,

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Speaker 1: and I love going back to this town and that's

488
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Speaker 1: my favorite steakhouse. Like that's all out the window once

489
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Speaker 1: once the persones get big enough. So um the allegiance

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Speaker 1: of the PGA tour is much more shallow than Monahan thought,

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Speaker 1: and that that's one of his that's one of his

492
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Speaker 1: big mistakes. And all of this, I'll tell you guys.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I lived in New York, you know, Michael.

494
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Speaker 1: The last time we worked together was the story on

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Speaker 1: September twelve, after nine eleven, right Like, for me, this

496
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Speaker 1: has always been you know, oh, Saudi money. You know, Alan,

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Speaker 1: you wrote that incredible story that we dropped earlier in

498
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Speaker 1: the Firepro Collective about don't don't forget about who Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia is. Uh, you know, seventeen and nineteen of the

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Speaker 1: you know, the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. They knocked

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Speaker 1: down the Twin Towers. We lost over three thousand Americans,

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Speaker 1: two of them. I would call friends, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it was always like I can't, you know, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't be a part of I can't support this,

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Speaker 1: you know. And and obviously Greg Norman is to me

506
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Speaker 1: is just a is something that you find on the

507
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Speaker 1: bottom of your shoe. And and and so I can't

508
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Speaker 1: support that either, and and and yet you know yesterday CNN,

509
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, you know, gas prices are going up. You know,

510
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Speaker 1: we are going to reset our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the United States of America is

512
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Speaker 1: resetting its relationship with Saudi Arabia for you know, reasons

513
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: that seem obvious, you know, oil and and money. And

514
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Speaker 1: as he's trying to preserve his place as a you know,

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Speaker 1: a president of the United States. And and we've had

516
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Speaker 1: our issues with the DJ Tour. I there is no

517
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Speaker 1: other game in town. I I we have. You know,

518
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: there's a monopoly on professional golf there jacking up prices

519
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Speaker 1: of Q school. They limit purses at the minor league.

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Speaker 1: You know, right now, as I sit here today, as

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Speaker 1: we continue to process everything that's going on and setting aside,

522
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Speaker 1: you know, and again, United States isn't perfect, China is

523
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Speaker 1: not perfectly. You know, let's go country by country, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Mac, You've made this point, right, I mean, nothing's

525
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Speaker 1: perfect And in the big scheme of things. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the camp of the disruption. I'm in the

527
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Speaker 1: camp of that there's a copy, there's a competition. I'm

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Speaker 1: in the camp of like, let it all play out

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Speaker 1: in courts, Let these guys go, not go. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I don't really Okay, you know, I just left god

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Speaker 1: Hill Park. Member member. You know, you know what I

532
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Speaker 1: care about the recreational game, the game of golf, the

533
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Speaker 1: health of the game as a whole, the fact that

534
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Speaker 1: I want to teach my son the game, and some

535
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Speaker 1: integrity around what it brings to us. In like like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, let it just let it burn,

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Speaker 1: Let the PGA Tour burn, Let all this stuff burn,

538
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: and let's see what a bigger, better product will be

539
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: on the back end of this and have it makes

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Speaker 1: sense from a low level to a top level for

541
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Speaker 1: the people who you know, who can shoot sixty two

542
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Speaker 1: on the given day, have the chance to go make

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Speaker 1: a living playing professional golf. It doesn't it doesn't need

544
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Speaker 1: to be that that crazy. Now, I think that's really

545
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Speaker 1: well said, and I agree with a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: and I would I would. Now it's a great moment.

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Speaker 1: And Matt we talked about this very briefly earlier. To

548
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Speaker 1: really flip this whole thing and for the PGA Tour

549
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: to become the disrupter. You think you're gonna disrupt us, Well,

550
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna disrupt you. And now they move slowly because

551
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: they're they're Titanic, but they've got to reinvent themselves here.

552
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: The PGA tour has to reinvent itself here. Now to Monahan,

553
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: it's easy to be critical money hand now, but I

554
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Speaker 1: would say it was not a fair fight from the

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Speaker 1: get go. He did the math. The math was easy.

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Speaker 1: They got forger billion. We got a couple of millions

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Speaker 1: sitting around here. So he was gonna lose no matter

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Speaker 1: He was gonna lose no matter what. He's got no money.

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00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: They got all the money. Um, you know, he every

560
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Speaker 1: week he's got to be on the phone with this

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Speaker 1: chairman and that chairman. Begging began, beggan, But now he

562
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Speaker 1: could really I don't know whether it's a slim down tour,

563
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: it's a shorter season, it's stealing some of these ideas.

564
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Maybe there could be. I would much prefer PGA tour

565
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Speaker 1: that was athletic and lean, and you cared about it

566
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Speaker 1: because the root of this whole thing, for majors were

567
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Speaker 1: all drawn to the majors, or drawing the majors because

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Speaker 1: we care, the players care. The course cares, of course,

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Speaker 1: doesn't want him embarrass, the members don't want him embarrass.

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Speaker 1: There's so much pride on the line with I don't

571
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Speaker 1: think you're ever going to have that with this lived tour.

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Speaker 1: And they can try to dress it up with the

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Speaker 1: cabs and the fly OBErs and the fifty four holes

574
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, but the fact is golf is

575
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: a slow, contemplative, difficult game and it always will be

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Speaker 1: and it will always be and there's only a small

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Speaker 1: segment of the population that's really really going to be

578
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Speaker 1: drawn to it. And the PGA Tour has got to

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Speaker 1: get a brain trust together, which they may not have

580
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Speaker 1: at the moment, and maybe they need the five of

581
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Speaker 1: us plus Jake and figure out what can we be

582
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Speaker 1: because this is not working. It's not working. Get off

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Speaker 1: your ass, quit try and get out of the Ivory tower,

584
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Speaker 1: get down on the ground, go out to some of

585
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Speaker 1: these cues. Go it's talk to the players who six

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Speaker 1: dollars you know how much money that is. I'm here

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Augustus, who's playing on the ap G, A

588
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: who got boned out of being at the Billy Horshell's

589
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: event for no apparent reason, even though he's top five

590
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: on the money list. Like, stop doing stuff that bones

591
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: people who are trying to make a living playing professional golf.

592
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Get off your ass and do something that makes sense

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Speaker 1: and be sensible about what's happened. These guys are masters

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Speaker 1: of their craft and they're getting roaded tilled into the

595
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: great ground of like you can't make it because you

596
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: don't have enough money. What is going on? Elevate Tiger

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00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: to commissioner of competition. I don't care any Timely wants

598
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: paying whatever he wants. He needs something to do with

599
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. Have a short season from

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00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: January through the Ryder Cup, get rid of that President's Cup,

601
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Speaker 1: and then have a two month season of three man,

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Speaker 1: three person teams a senior player, a regular player and

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00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: a women player, people who have some common interest to

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Speaker 1: bond in some way, and they'll play some kind of

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00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: team competition through October, maybe mid November Caliday. Actually have

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00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: an offseason and then started again in January. Do something

607
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: totally different, but as the starting point, bring entire because

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Speaker 1: Tiger is still Tiger, and none of these other guys said,

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Speaker 1: grab you uson. By the way, if I never see

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Speaker 1: Patrick Reid hit another golf shot again in my life,

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Speaker 1: I will not care me either. Is this a podcast

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Speaker 1: or a therapy well, if you've had you've had an

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Speaker 1: outlet all week, we've been sitting around. Yeah. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Jeff, Jeff Ogilvie will be on with us

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Speaker 1: all next week and he couldn't join today because it

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Speaker 1: was his birthday yesterday. Having birthday to Jeff Ogilvie, one

617
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Speaker 1: of the most thoughtful voices in the game, and I

618
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear his great perspective on all of this.

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Speaker 1: But I have a feeling he's going to be in

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Speaker 1: the camp of I'm for the disruption. He's a guy

621
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Speaker 1: who started the sad belled invitation himself to try to

622
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: have got people make more money at that level in

623
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: which you're you're you're you're giving more money to the

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Speaker 1: people who don't win as opposed to the people who

625
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: do win. I think the fact that the people who

626
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: are causing the disruption is Saudi Arabia and they have

627
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: so many political ramifications, you know, all those kind of

628
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: things stacked against them, and it seems to at least

629
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: get beginning off the ground and have some legs is

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00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: a real testament to how the PGA tour was sitting

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Speaker 1: on their hands right like this is the easiest one

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00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: to defeat if someone gets you know, we've talked about

633
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Speaker 1: the Premium League or some something else, like if this

634
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Speaker 1: Saudi thing goes down because people are scared politically, I

635
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Speaker 1: think it's opened the door for the fact that the

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00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: PGA tour is very vulnerable and you don't have the

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00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: political ramifications of Saudi Arabia, and you get funding together

638
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and you do this, then everybody's jumping ship because like,

639
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: you can do this same if you do, if somebody

640
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: could figure out the same format and not have Saudi

641
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: Arabian money, everyone's gone, all the all the top players

642
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: are gone. There will be aligned for the top forty

643
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: eight players. So I think it's just a real testament

644
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: to a real shot at the tour that Saudi Arabia,

645
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: despite all the political stuff, is taking players. Yeah, that's

646
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: a good point. And let me tell you the Staudis

647
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: aren't going anywhere, because I saw them here all week.

648
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: These guys are dying for legitimacy and for acknowledgment. And

649
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: we're here at the Centurion Club, which is like this

650
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: real bastion of the London ruling class, probably a place

651
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: that Saudis might not be welcome in another context. And

652
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: so that's all these guys want is to be accepted

653
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: and that to feel like they're part of this this

654
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: global elite. You know. They they they've always been kept

655
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: out of even you know, sort of like Trump can't

656
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: buy his way into Augusta National, like the Staudiges could

657
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: not buy their way in the Centurion Club. But all

658
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, here they are, and um, you know,

659
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: even even in the post round trophy presenta and his

660
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: excellency said, you know, he explained live L I V

661
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: is Roman numerals for fifty four. He's like, that's the

662
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: perfect score in golf. Like, I guess if you're Bertie

663
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: l teen holes, it is. But I'd like to have

664
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: an eagle or a Nissan there. So that's debatable. But

665
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, it's never been done. I

666
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: know some guys have shot fifty eight and maybe fifty seven.

667
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: He's like, if anyone shoots fifty four and the Lip

668
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: competition will pay them fifty four million dollar bonus, like

669
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: even serious, like now that's that's that would be a

670
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: health a round of golf. But that can happen in

671
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Portland if if they play fifty yards, Yeah, I mean

672
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: exactly like maybe they'll start setting the course is easier

673
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: because so someone make a run at it. But the

674
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: point is, like this guy was, it was like you're

675
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: you're toasting it like an occasion. You're a little tipsy,

676
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: like okay, I'll buy all buy six rounds for everybody.

677
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: Like that was kind of the vibe like okay, million dollars, sure,

678
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. Like that was just the energy of it.

679
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: So these guys are loving this there they're not going

680
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: anywhere like there. Now they get to go to Portland,

681
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: another great city. You know that nothing. They're gonna be

682
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: rubbing elbows with the US pre Donald Trump twice this year,

683
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Like the statis are going nowhere. But one thing I

684
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: wanted to um, you know you're comment Michael Patrick Reed.

685
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, can we just acknowledge that the guys that

686
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: they are acquiring are a bunch of pain in the

687
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: asses Patrick Reid, Bryceon Di siambo Ian Poulter, Sergio Garcia,

688
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Pat Perez, Like I'm sure that the mac

689
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: you knowls, the guys who manage the player relationships on

690
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: the PGA tour, they must be celebrating. They don't have

691
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: to do with these guys anymore, Like it's a really

692
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: funny kevin Na, Like, it's a really funny group of personalities.

693
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: I think it helps live because these are players that

694
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: inspire emotion and conversation on social media that's probably much

695
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: bigger than their actual accomplishments might be. Um, but it's

696
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: it's a did you imagine like a rain delay and

697
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: they're all in the locker room like all these all

698
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: these weird dues like it could be it could be hysterical.

699
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know, there's it's that's a lot of

700
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: personality up in something up in the mountains right now.

701
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I talked to an older in him and about it

702
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: and and he had I don't enough his comment, but

703
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: you know he he said, you know, look, you know,

704
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: my my father fault landed in Normandy and you know,

705
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: to free you know, against Germany, and how he would

706
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: never have a German car and he had, he bought

707
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: a BMW and his wouldn't let him park it in

708
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: the driveway. Um, we've had Japan bombas and forty one,

709
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there were people that fought in specific

710
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they would never buy a product from Japan and they

711
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: had the same So is it there is there gonna

712
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: be a day that where Saudi Arabia's forgiven and you know,

713
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: we move on and they do come, you know, come

714
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: into the world. Um does it happen? Um? So I

715
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: you know they're not going anywhere. Um. I don't think

716
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: the political problem with the money is going to stop him.

717
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna stop anybody. Most the people

718
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. There's a lot of players that I've

719
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: gotten calls from that I don't represent, that wanted to

720
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: know how did you get Andy in? What's the deal?

721
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: A lot of players and they you know, I mean,

722
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: I tweeted it out before the tournament met I said,

723
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: if Henry, if Henny Due plus wins the four million dollars,

724
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a line from here, you know, from

725
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Chicago to Portland. Uh, sign it up, because they assume

726
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: they can beat Henny. And sure enough, the dude finished second,

727
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: collects two point eight million dollars, changes his life. And

728
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it made a lot of people in

729
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Canada this week and a lot of people on the

730
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: European tour. Goo. I've beat that guy a million times

731
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: and he just collected two point eight million dollars. Maybe

732
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: I should go get in line. He basically tripled his

733
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: lifetime career earnings in three days. He's only five, but

734
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty startling like that, It's incredible all and he

735
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: he turned pro seven years ago and he's I mean

736
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: his two wins on the I mean I looked it up,

737
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: his two wins on the Sunshine Tour forty one dollars

738
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: and forty three dollars. So like, I mean literally, if

739
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: he never gets a lift start again, it changed his

740
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: life today, like changed his life. Okay, so so so,

741
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: So the question is, just before we go, we'll wrap

742
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: this up, let's go around the horn, because we got

743
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: all next week to continue to have conversations about this.

744
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Where does the p g A Tour go from here?

745
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: You know, instead of throwing pit money at the the

746
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: already rich, instead of you know, instead of raising persons

747
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: like isn't there money and time and energy better spent

748
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: at restructuring all of their tours and not just throwing

749
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: money at like the top ten richest players on tour. Well,

750
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I I felt this earlier in the week, and I

751
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: really feel it now. I think the tours only play

752
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: is to concede defeat and try and forge another alliance

753
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and do it with the Saudis and bring them into

754
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the fold, which of course live would love because it

755
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: legitimizes them. And for for the tour players, it's the

756
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: dream scenario. You keep your membership, you get to play

757
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach and all the places you like, you know,

758
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: whatever your favorite tournaments are. You keep all the FedEx

759
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: cut bonuses and all that stuff, and you get to

760
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: cherry pick a handful these live events and make insane

761
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: amounts of money. Like from the players perspective, that's the

762
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: ultimate victory, and it could be a win for golf fans,

763
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you put those events into the fall

764
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: when there's not much going on, to get the stars

765
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: off the couch because the persons are so big, there's

766
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: just team element. Could be a fun twist and can

767
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: get the tour that needs to shake up its formats.

768
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's blindingly obvious now making World Golf

769
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: championships like this, yeah, or you know, they just they

770
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: just become adjuncts. You know, it's it's just you call

771
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: it some high falutin this international series and whatever you

772
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: want to call it. Um it would strengthen the tour schedule.

773
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: The money would flow to the players. You would give

774
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: the Saudias of legitimacy they crave. There's really no losers

775
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: that I can see. This is very unlikely. Yeah, I

776
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: mean Greg, Greg Norman and Jane working together. Yeah, that

777
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: that's what I think. I mean, Alan, they might have

778
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: been able to do that two months ago, but now

779
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: I think it's too late. I mean, we might have

780
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: to get a reading from mac in the Art of War.

781
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: Whether it's too late or not. But my guess it,

782
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: My guess it is. Uh, it is too late for that. Um.

783
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't I don't, I don't know. I don't see.

784
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: They could find maybe a partner, but I don't think

785
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: it would be I don't think it would be the

786
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: saudiest I thought. Alan, you might say something even more extreme,

787
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: which is let them all go. We're still the PGA Tour.

788
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: And um, if you love golf, you're gonna would love

789
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: to watch what we what we give you, which has

790
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: worked for a hundred years and probably will for the

791
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: next center years. You know, this is bandwagon stuff and

792
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: there is tried and true. Um. You know, if Major

793
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: League Baseball, if there was a competing league that where

794
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: there where there were metal bats and you know in

795
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: twot you know homeer infences, it wouldn't be golf, it

796
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be It would be a different form of golf.

797
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: And um, I think the PGA Tour can still be

798
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, but a different PGA Tour than the

799
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: one that we've known. UM. I think there's a lot

800
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: of changes coming. I think what that probably what they'll

801
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: do is they'll start looking at reducing the aids of

802
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: the Senior Tour, of the Champions Tour below fifty maybe

803
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: probably get it to forty five. Give give these guys

804
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: that spend those few years commentating or trying to commentate

805
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: or whatever a place to go play. I think they will.

806
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they'll go back to

807
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the to the Rabbit days where there's only sixty people exempt,

808
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: But I do think maybe they'll go to lessening how

809
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: many exempt players there are, opening up the Monday qualifiers

810
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: to get more because you know, you're right, you know,

811
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: it's great. We always want to see Tiger win, we

812
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: want to see Rory win. But how cool is it

813
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: when somebody Monday qualifies and wins and changes their life.

814
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I think Argent at Wall might know Corey Connors was

815
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: the last guy to Monday qualify. I think that their

816
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: development tour will have to find a way to go

817
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: back to the roots of like the Hogan Tour. It

818
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: was developed where people could drive week to week and

819
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: keep their their costs down and their expenses down, not

820
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: flying to the Bahamas for two weeks and then you know,

821
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: South America for two weeks and then. And I think

822
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: that that qualifier I think when they came up with

823
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: Hogan was I think there's eight, but there used to

824
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: be sixteen or eighteen spots a week two Monday qualifying. Um.

825
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: You know, they've got the they've got the PGA tour

826
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: you deal where they give a guy status on a

827
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: certain or as long as they stay in tours college

828
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: for two four years. Uh. If they would go look

829
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: at their star base and see how many years of

830
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: college all their star base went to college. If they

831
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: went it wasn't four years. Um. So I think they've

832
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of changes that they're gonna make. I

833
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: do I think. I Mean, I haven't talked to anybody,

834
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: but I think they have to get the developmental part

835
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: of it. Back to the grassroots. I'm gonna give you

836
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: an example, and the old Tree he does, his number

837
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: doesn't get in. But there are people that play events

838
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: on the corn Fry Tour to play five events so

839
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: they can get their insurance paid, and they're just filling

840
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: the field and they're taking spots away. Um. So I

841
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: think there's you know, the past champion status. Um. You know,

842
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: the past champions status has brought up when people were

843
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: quitting golf at forty, not winning golf tournaments at sixty. Um,

844
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: so all those things need to revamped, I think. So

845
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: I do think they can do it. And you know

846
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: the Tour, you know, the President's Cup, you know, I

847
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: mean every year are their stars have to go spend

848
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: a week they don't get paid to go play for

849
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: their country. Um. You know, maybe they could have switched

850
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: that around a little bit and and let the European

851
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: team play every other year against the you know, the

852
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: World Tour. Because these guys, they say they love playing

853
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: for the country, but behind the scenes it wears them down.

854
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: It's they know they're being used that week and they're

855
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: not getting paid. Um. I think they just did too

856
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: much and deluded the product and just maybe bring in

857
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, if you've been to Sanderson Farms,

858
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: there's no field there. I mean, Sam Burns won. But

859
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: if you go to that tournament and tell me it's

860
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: not a fun tournament, they that community embraces it. They

861
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: have a great time with it. It's kind of like

862
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: it's a small you know, can't be compared to what

863
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Scott still is at the Waste Management. But I wonder

864
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: if they suspended play and didn't nobody played at Waste

865
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: Management for a day that anybody would notice, Well, they

866
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: have a hundred and twenty people come. I mean, I

867
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: mean there's more to it than just this game of golf.

868
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: We say, man, you know, there's so much. But if

869
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: the local communities that the money is raised for, they're

870
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: still getting to benefit. And I don't I don't know

871
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: that it's a big deal of if Rory doesn't show

872
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: up or if send them show up. So I think

873
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of changes they can do to make it.

874
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: When there is a PGA Tour event being played, it

875
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: is exciting and the big guys are there, and maybe

876
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: that there's a level underneath it in the center. Some

877
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: farms in Sea Island where I live that it's a

878
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: community gathering. I mean, it's kind of a it's a

879
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: it's a fun time, So I think they will. I

880
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: don't think I agree with you. I don't think they're

881
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: far I think they're too far gone to negotiate with.

882
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: How about treating the caddies a little better too, you know,

883
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: like I mean, it doesn't end. But Ryan, I know

884
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: you love this. After Alan, Michael and Max speak, you

885
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: got some got some thoughts for us, after the people

886
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: who have covered it their entire life or lived it,

887
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: I have to go to finish it up. This is

888
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: always great. I swort of gotten. Next fucking podcast, We're

889
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: changing the order. I'm going for fucking stupid. Oh, let's

890
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: wrap it up with the guy who's been in this

891
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: game the least perfect. You've built, your built You've given

892
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: a voice. You know, you've you've diligently and selflessly given

893
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: a voice to the level of player that we're talking about. Honestly, honestly,

894
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm scared. Uh you know, Mark and I have had

895
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: this conversation a lot. I am. I am very scared

896
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: for the guys like Mark or Andy or those guys

897
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: that that pro golf is getting so focused because of

898
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Live on the top players of the game. That that's

899
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: where the PGA Tour heads and the corn Ferry becomes

900
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: seventy one on down or fifty one and on down

901
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: right like and and this game there's no gonna be

902
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: no surprise winners ever right never, There's never going to

903
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: be the Parker McLoughlin's or uh, the Sean mckeel's or ever. Like.

904
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: That's where I'm concerned about that is that they're gonna

905
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: look at this product. They've always been top uh of

906
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: the field, stars focused the PGA Tour. Now this makes

907
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: them even more hyper focus because that's what the Live

908
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: is doing. I'm concerned in ten years, we're looking at

909
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: the Live Tour at forty eight players and the PGA

910
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Tour at seventy and everybody else is fighting for nuggets

911
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: to feed those two tours. Wow, this is this is unbelievable.

912
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: And lots more coming including US Open Week, there's a

913
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: major week. When do we talk about that? Matt? I mean,

914
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: where are they playing that? Here? It's a shot, it's

915
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: a shotgun. Start, Michael, you know you haven't heard but Ryan,

916
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: last point, there's a little thing in my book where

917
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: m Brandon Shambilie's replaying this conversation you have with Phil

918
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: like in the nineties and Phil saying the PJ hors

919
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: should just be the top thirty players and that's it.

920
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: And AND's like he wasn't aware, like that would be

921
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: eliminating my job. He didn't even understand what he was

922
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: saying to me. But like that, that's that's been a

923
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: vision for some of these It's so funny and way

924
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: before the Lift Tour, uh like maybe six months ago,

925
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Billy Horschel said the same thing. He said, maybe we should,

926
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, get the PGA Tour down to eighty people.

927
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: And it's so funny how people, even the stars forget,

928
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: like where they came from. Billy Horschel went to Q

929
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: school four times, okay, like finished a hundred fift on

930
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour money list and kept his card three times.

931
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: So like before we started getting to like, hey, let's

932
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: get rid of everybody. Let's That's why I hope that

933
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour never gets to that because regardless of

934
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: the top top stars, as as Mac knows and we

935
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: all know, is the tour is made up of mostly

936
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: guys who have played somewhere else or didn't get through

937
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: Q school or had to go back to Q school

938
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: and now became stars. So that's what I hope that

939
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: the tour and the pack hold onto that we never

940
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: get to that. But I think this is at least

941
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: from my behalf, and obviously it's a biased opinion. Is

942
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: is I'm concerned that we're like to forty eight player

943
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: fields away and divide up the stars and let's go

944
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: in ten years. I'm afraid of that too. I would

945
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: like to remain hopeful that as a result of this

946
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: disruption in Cage Rattle, that that in the end that

947
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe we end up with a better system and a

948
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: better product. I'm gonna stay hopeful. Well, you know, I

949
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: think there was an implication in Max pointed out, you know,

950
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Sanderson Farms in the Sea Island event, that if the tour,

951
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: the tour has lost its way. Nobody thinks of Jay

952
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Monahan running a not for profit company with the corporate

953
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: jets and all the CEOs in the in the in

954
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: the time that they have. But what Mac is describing

955
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: is a not for profit vision of the golf. And

956
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: one thing this Live Golf is not I mean so literally,

957
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: it is a for profit company. UH, and the PGA

958
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Tour has to differentiate itself from that. You know, at

959
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: the at the Masters, they never knew who even knows

960
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: or cares what what what first place money is UH.

961
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: At the Master's it never it never gets talked about. Um.

962
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Greg Norman couldn't even couldn't even get Fred really on

963
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: the phone to talk about possible path from Live to

964
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: the Masters in the first place. So there there is

965
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: a it's a different thing what Live is trying to do.

966
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: And I think what the PJ Tour can do is

967
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: double down and what they really are, which is what

968
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: Mac just described really super regional events. And even that

969
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Tournament as national it is, is a really

970
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: a regional event UM that puts on the show for locals,

971
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: that raises money for local charity, and on some weeks

972
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: but not every week, the whole country tunes in, but

973
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: more often maybe not. I I hope that, I hope

974
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: that in the end that when we go live with

975
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: next year's wish Bone Brawl, instead of calling is Andrew

976
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: Shoffley and Fred Couples and John Ashworth to say cease

977
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: and desists, they say, Wow, what an incredible event. You're

978
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: having out there. I hear you're raising money for kids.

979
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: The PGA Tour would like to send a check for

980
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: fifty thou dollars and add to the pot. And congratulations

981
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: for putting together an incredible event with Persimmon Woods at

982
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: a many municipal for twelve people, twelve hundred onlookers, have

983
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: a great week, and uh and and we'll see us soon.

984
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: Where do we send the money? And instead of when

985
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: we're out trying to cover Mark Baldwin's dreams area of

986
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: getting a sponsors rexemption to a T and T and

987
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: we're covering his round out there where no cameras are

988
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: and we're showing a few videos and a few pictures.

989
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: They say thank you for supporting our sponsors and our

990
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: event and bringing more eyeballs to our product, because we

991
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: know you put out a lot of money and a

992
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: lot of effort and manpower to try to do so.

993
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Instead of the phone calls of cease and desist, it's

994
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: a phone call to say and celebrate the idea that

995
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: there are people out there trying to promote your product.

996
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: Get out of the tower, get down on the ground.

997
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm all for the other side. Well, we have

998
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: we have cats sleeping with dogs in Norman and Monahan.

999
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: Now you've got you're reinventing the whole tours corporate ethos

1000
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: like this if we turn in a bunch of dreamers

1001
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: here on this podcast. But I think that's that's what

1002
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: this moment is doing, Like everything's up for grabs and

1003
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: we're just we're we're all, we're all. No one knows

1004
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, and it's gonna be fascinating, and we're

1005
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: just trying to be tour guides for the listeners. But

1006
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: there's there's so much unsettled and to play out. It's

1007
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: really a gift from the content gods. I mean for

1008
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: the players. For the players, it's a windfall of undreamed

1009
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: of riches. For us, it's just endless content. So ei

1010
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: there are some there are different winners here, I guess Alan,

1011
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for everything you did this week, for

1012
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: making that track, for doing your job, for having the

1013
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: brass set of balls that you have to show up

1014
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: even though Michelson didn't have the brass set to answer

1015
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: any questions. And uh, again, I appreciate everybody being here.

1016
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody, everybody listening more to come from the

1017
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: fire Drill and the Fire Pick Collective next week from Boston.

1018
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: It should be an incredible event and I can't wait

1019
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: to see how this unfolds. Um Alan, you're the man.

1020
00:54:50,040 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: I say this very seriously. Get home safely, put another

1021
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: log on the fire. Nobody here is to get the

1022
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: time