1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Ron An Anian. We're in that time of the year 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: were the driving season. It's a little dangerous out there 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the weather. The Car Doctor. You know, 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: you get stuck in seven degrees and you're not adequately 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: prepared for to you're driving in seven degree weather and 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: the vehicles not prepared for it. It's life and death. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron and Anian, the 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the world 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage doors are open, but 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: I am here to take your call at eight five 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: five five six and now running. Hey, hello and welcome. 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Start your engines. It's me running in the Car Doctor 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: at five five six zero nine zero zero. The Car 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Doctor seven, always ready, always there for your phone number. 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: But maybe today Tom to the phone's work today, So 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: the five five Now we seem to be having an issue. 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I think our provider is having a problem and it's 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: not really working. But I can call out, so so 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: here's the deal. So you can call eight five five 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero, probably in about two hours and 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: three minutes when the show ends, because Tom will be 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: on the phone raising you know, holy you know what 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: with the I can't say that word. Can I even know? 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Our president said, well that's okay, I won't go there. 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: But um, Tom will just be on the phone with 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: the service provider. We just found this out about thirty 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: seconds ago. But eight five five five zero nine zero zero. 30 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll work. Maybe not, you know, but that's okay 31 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: because in the world of worter repair, we adapt, we're flexible, 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: we're we're used to having things go wrong, and you 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: have to think from the hip and still fix it. 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: And that's what the name of the game is. And 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: that's what this radio show is all about, thinking from 36 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the hip and has been for the best twenty seven years. 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: Seven years whatever figured out their problem, No, what's that 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: they need to stand tool probably, And that's the other 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: thing that went wrong today. You know, we should have 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: known that today was gonna be one of those days 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: because well, actually today started yesterday, I should tell you, you 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: you know, so yesterday was Friday, right, because this show 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: is live on Saturdays two to four pm Eastern time, 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: and we you know, we're out on the network live 45 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: and then some of the affiliates pick it up later, 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: delayed broadcast later tonight and tomorrow, and throwing through the 47 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: rest of the weekend. But you know, I should have 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: known yesterday it was gonna be one of those days. 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I opened the gate to the shop, I get out. 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: I you know, it's Friday. I went to the Delhi, 51 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: had breakfast. I go to the shop. I take the 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: lock off the front gate, and the lock fell apart, 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: all right, you know the two halves of the you know, 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: there's two parts to a lock. There's the hasp and 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: then there's the body. Right, I am do the key 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: and the the the hasp with the key cylinder in 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: it falls into the on top of my key, and 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I just pulled it away, and there's the hook still 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: in the gate, and I'm thinking, huh, you know, I 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: really I think I just want to run away, because 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: that's how the week's gonna go, That's how today is 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: gonna go. It really was. It really was a camera moment. 63 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: And I looked at Danny because we got to work 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: at the exact same time yesterday, and we looked at 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: each other, and when should we go home now? Is it? Like? 66 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Is it time to go high? Like, what could go wrong? Uh, 67 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: you know what went wrong yesterday? And I'm gonna think 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: about it because it kind of led into today. Right today, 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Tony our board op is out today because he got 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: the Penn Station in New York City and found out 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: that he can get the long way from Brooklyn to 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: Penn Station, but he couldn't get the three minutes from 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Penn Station to New Jersey and se Caucus, uh to 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: make the cut because they were having problems with the trains. Now, 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: I was in Penn Station Thursday night. I saw Mr 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Billy Joel live at the Garden and I just couldn't 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: help the mechanic and me came out and I'm they're 78 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: doing an awful lot of work at Penn Station. There's 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: sparks flying in lights and guys walking around on the 80 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: tracks and yeah, there's just an awful lot going on 81 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: down there. And you say to yourself, you know, what's 82 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: the mechanics of this and how are they making this work? 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's just it's it's like wow. 84 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: But um, and then we just found out the phones 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: don't work. So it'll just be a great show today, 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: I promise the worst that happens is you have to 87 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: listen to me for two hours and please think about all. 88 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Listen we'll start. Can you sing? Really? Do you know? 89 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: Have to sing? Oh? I've got a song in mind. 90 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: I sing solo, solo, nobody can hear me? Yeah? Can 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: you sing far far away? Try that one on? My 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: dad used to say that to me. I don't know 93 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: where this show is going this opening boy, let me 94 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: tell you. But my dad used to say that to me. 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Can you sing far far away? And I look at 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: him like mmmm? Anyway, Um, what happened yesterday at the shop? 97 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think now we let's see, Danny had 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: a couple of oil changes. I had to finish up 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: the I had a really strange repair this week, a 100 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Honda pilot, the right side dry axel. When I tell 101 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: you it ailed, it actually wore the s blind stub 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: where it goes into the outer joint. It actually stripped 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: the the axle to the outer joint, actually stripped and 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: fell completely out. Um. Not a not a normal repair, 105 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: only a hundred and five and I say only a 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: hundred and five thousand miles. We expect things to last forever, 107 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: you know. I'd like to see it go a little 108 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: longer than that. And unfortunately the person driving it, she 109 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: was a little upset. She you know, she was in 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: a panic because the car just stopped. Now it lost 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: its drive axle and the car wouldn't propel itself forward 112 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and and go anywhere. And you know, the dope of 113 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: the week a word, it has to go out to 114 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: Honda in my opinion, because the way they mount this 115 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: right side axle, it's probably the better part of thirty 116 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: inches long, you know, maybe twenty four inches long, and 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: midway from the trans it's a solid steel shift and 118 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: it there's there's a support bearing, and then there's the 119 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: acts old drive axle with an with an inner and 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: outer CV joint. Well, you know, they've got this big 121 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: chunk of steel mounted to and supported by a center 122 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: bearing that sits inside of the cheesiest piece of aluminum 123 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: that you ever saw off the back of the aluminum 124 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: oil pan underneath the solid steel exhaust manifold. So it 125 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: bakes and then you've got to take it out. So 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: here's a car that you know, five years old, six 127 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: six years old. Ok So it's six years old, hundred 128 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: five thousand miles and it's an aluminium support piece going 129 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: surrounded by or supporting an aluminum or bearing that has 130 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: held down by an aluminium brackets. You've got aluminum and 131 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: aluminum together. Somebody raise your hands. What happens when you 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: put aluminum and aluminum together? And it sits in six 133 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: years of New Jersey winters and calcium chloride and salt 134 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: and corrosion and you know everything else under the sun. 135 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: Everybody in Maine as in their hand. They're going, I 136 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: know what happens because I've tried to take that apart too, 137 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: So you know you've got to get it apart. But 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: now keep in mind the circumference. And I hope I'm 139 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: explaining this right. It's you know, take your fist and 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: put your fist in a coffee can or a small can, 141 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: and your your your your fist fills the can. But 142 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: now you can't pull it out because the materials have 143 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: bonded together and the support bracket the coffee can part 144 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: is just as thin. It's just such a thin piece 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: of aluminum, so you can't get in there and heat it. 146 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: It's again surrounded by an exhaust manifolding and an exhaust pipe, 147 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and it's bolted to a piece of aluminum, so you 148 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: can't wait to see what it would be like to 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: get the steel bolt out of the aluminum piece, you know, 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: after six years on the road. So it's you know, 151 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: it's when you kind of you know, you know, oh 152 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: dear father, and you say your mechanics prayer and you 153 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: get out the eighteen inch air chisel, which is literally 154 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: what we did. We got out the eighteen inch air 155 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: chisel bit and I found a way to line up 156 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: with the outer piece that I had to pop out 157 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: of it, and you know, Danny, hold this into the 158 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: hold this into the shaft and ba boom. And what 159 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: I ended up doing was I was able to crack 160 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: the one piece of aluminum in half that broke the 161 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: surface bond with the other piece of aluminum, shot some 162 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: penetrating spray in there, let it soak for about five minutes, 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a good chance to take a uh water break and 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: drove it out the rest of the way. But you've 165 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: got to ask yourself, what were they thinking, you know, 166 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: that's or weren't they thinking, like I can't imagine. I 167 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: can't imagine what would happen if you crack that ear, 168 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: Because if you crack that ear in order to get 169 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: that down and replace it. That front exhaust pipe would 170 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: probably be nice to get out of the way. And 171 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: then you've got to hold that the steel and the 172 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: aluminum comes off the oil pan. If you that doesn't 173 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: come off, and then you gotta put an oil pan 174 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: on the engine. You've got to take part of the 175 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: engine apart because the piece of the drive actele broke. 176 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: By the way. If if you're wondering to put it 177 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: back together, we're gonna see. I I looked around, I 178 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: thought about it. I was gonna use some yellow grease, 179 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: but something told me I needed something a little bit 180 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: more substantially water resistant. So I used the silicon, the 181 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: clear silicon brake rease that we use for assembly, and 182 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I coated the inside at the one piece of aluminum. 183 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: Put those two together, and we'll see what happens in 184 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: another hundred and five thousand miles when it has to 185 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: come apart again. Uh, to see if that actually works. 186 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was my that was my Friday yesterday. 187 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: So maybe the sign of the lock falling apart at 188 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: the gate was symbolic. I'm not really quite sure. Carpenter 189 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Bob and I covered. Bob came by carpenter Bob comes 190 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: by every I don't talk about him enough anymore, but 191 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: he's he's just all right. He somehow shows up at 192 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: four o'clock on Friday because he says, I need to 193 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: as he puts it, I need to soak in the 194 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: rays of the shop at the end of the week, 195 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: because he says, I know this is the last bastion 196 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: of sanity on the planet. He keeps calling it that. 197 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why he does that. And then 198 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: we cleaned up and we we got out of here 199 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: about a quarter of six, six o'clock last night, and 200 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: anticipation of Monday, so that we're all fired up and 201 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, the shop has to be clean 202 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: before you go. It's it's a weird thing. Actually come 203 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: home Friday night, wash my work jacket and work sweatshirt, 204 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: the uniforms get done. But you know, and then I 205 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: actually go down Saturday morning. I'm weird like that. Okay, 206 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: I have this routine. We're all go down Saturday morning 207 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: and I'll you know, hang them back up so when 208 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: I walk in Monday morning, Bang, we're ready to go. 209 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Let's hit it. Um. But yeah, that was my that 210 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: was my Friday yesterday the lock fell apart to the 211 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: front gate, and I went there's probably some other things 212 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: that happened. I'll have to think about during the break 213 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: that really could be a could be kind of interesting. 214 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: I haven't really had time to really ponder and think 215 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: about the day, that end of the week, that week 216 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: that was um this week. But anyway I will because 217 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car, doctor, and I'll be 218 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: back right after this. Don't go away. It's like I 219 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: bought a scan tool and well, if you're saying it 220 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: speaks to you in a foreign language, give r on 221 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: a call right now? Those zero if the phones were working, 222 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: what do you mean if the phones were working? Hang 223 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: on a minute here, how are the phones doing out there? 224 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: I heard, I see that you're on the tech support. Yes, 225 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: as you can hear. My call is very important to them. 226 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh you've got the you've got the music calling? Yes, yes, yes, 227 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here waiting for somebody to talk to me. 228 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: And you know, well, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna 229 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: go back to doing my thing. Would you just let 230 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: me know when you get online with them. I want 231 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: to hear that conversation. Now we probably can't put that 232 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: on family radio, which I was gonna say, we could 233 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: put it on the air, but I don't think I 234 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: have enough latitude in the dump button here. Yeah, I 235 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: just I don't think you do either. Um. Oh, you 236 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: know what else happened yesterday? And then we'll go to 237 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: let's tell you what Let me take this. Let me 238 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: let me tell you what else happened yesterday. I forgot 239 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: to tell you this. Um, the end of the day 240 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: yesterday was a Ford fusion and for for Mick on 241 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: holding Oregon. Just give me one more second page. I 242 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: promise I'll get to you. Um, the last call of 243 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: the day yesterday, or the last car of the day yesterday, 244 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: shows you how my mind works. Was a Ford fusion. 245 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: Simple complaint about the washers didn't work that well, all right? 246 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: So you brought it in and I pulled down the 247 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: underhood pad and it's spraying. You'd see water shooting out 248 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: from under the under the hood pad. You're saying, gee, 249 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: it's a broken hose. Well, it kind of was. The 250 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: where the rubber hose connects to the washer. There's a 251 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: little nipple there and it had broken off. Oh so 252 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: you need to wash your nozles called up for they 253 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: had him in stock. I'll send them down. Jimmy shows 254 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: up with him about twenty minutes later, half hour later, 255 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: and they've got these two little pinch clips that you 256 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: have to squeeze together to get the nozzle out of 257 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: the hood opening, so you know, kind of pops out 258 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: because it's kind of cheesy, how they again, cheesy's the 259 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: word today, I guess maybe, so you know I squeezed 260 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: the clips. Let me tell you how hard that plastic was. 261 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: That plastic was so rock hard. Poor carpenter Bob. This 262 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: is we were doing it late in the day. He's 263 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: standing there watching looking at the nozzle. That first nozzl 264 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: shot right past his face like like a rocket taken 265 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: off at Cape Kennedy. It was because he's sitting there watching, 266 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to catch the nozzle on the other side 267 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: of the hood to make sure that it doesn't fall, 268 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and you know, like something's gonna happen to him, like, Bobby, 269 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: it's okay. I never saw plastic gets so brittle in 270 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: my whole life. And it just made me really stop 271 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: to think about the Honda. Because the nozzles on a 272 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: fusion are directly over the engine obviously, but they're also 273 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: the rear exhaust manifold is right there, and you know 274 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: they've been baking since two thousand eleven. Every time again 275 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: a hundred ten thousand mile car. It's apparently it was done. 276 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: It was done. It was baked and done. It was 277 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, stick a fork in it. And the second 278 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: one we were a little more prepared. We kind of 279 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Bobby wouldn't put a catcher's mask on, but it, you know, 280 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: it just it was just just amazing what happens and 281 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: how things change. I don't want to say, you know, 282 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: the word I'm thinking of as metallurgical, but it's not. 283 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: It's how they just their composition or their hardness level changes. 284 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: The actual composition of it changes and becomes more brittle, 285 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and you know, reuse and I it's just just crazy. Anyway, Mick, 286 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I kept John hold for ten minutes. I 287 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: didn't mean to do that, but I'm all yours, babe. 288 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: How can I help you in your Sorry? Ron uh 289 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: a long time listener. You thanks for taking my call. 290 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: You're welcome, Thanks for staying there. I appreciate it. Yeah, 291 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: no problem. So it's gotta had a check into light 292 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: that came on, and the code was showing something about 293 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: a speed output sensor failure, and it was shifting at 294 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: a higher r p M. So we we put a 295 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: another sensor in it, a new one, and I know 296 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: what new means. But so we changed, we changed the sensor. 297 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: The check into light went out. Now it will hardly run. 298 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: It's bits and sputters and it cut out when you 299 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: give it a throttle. So, uh, there is no check 300 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: into light on. But it's still showing a code of 301 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: a D zero zero AD. It's a generic output of 302 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: speed sensor circuit malfunction. And I don't know really where 303 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: to go from here. The speed sensor you changed was 304 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: in the transmission correct correct? Okay? Um, what kind of 305 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: scan tool do you have, Mack. It's just that cheap one. Okay, 306 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: that's okay. You know sometimes sometimes cheap is better. We 307 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: can we can fix it with cheap. It's just as 308 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: well as expensive. It's just how you use it. So 309 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: you have a pencil, you have a pencil and paper. Okay. 310 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: So the sensors we want to talk about, all right 311 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: are crank position and if I'm going too fast, just 312 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: tell me throttle position map sensor manifold absolute pressure, and 313 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: the vehicle speed sensor, which is the one you changed, right, 314 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: You changed the VS S right. What happens is these 315 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: four sensors and here's a here's a genius move, all 316 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: utilize the same five vault power supply. Oh boy, so okay, 317 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: you see where this is going. Um so what what's 318 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: common is one of these will go south, or one 319 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: of these will have a five vault power supply problem, 320 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and and the computer will get confused and erroneously report 321 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a failure in one wrong sensor. All right, did you 322 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: just for giggles try taking the old vehicle speed sensor 323 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: out and putting the old one back in? Um? I 324 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: wanted to, but my kid he done, uh threw it away. Okay, yeah, 325 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: we gotta explain to him. Well, first we gotta explain 326 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: to him what new means. And second we gotta explain 327 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: to him it's not done until the cars down the 328 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: road out the door and it's gone for two weeks, 329 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: Then we know it's fixed. Right, Um, because you know 330 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I would like this, I would like to just be 331 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: curious if you plug the olden back into the symptoms 332 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: return with the fault code, so that being said, all right, 333 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: you can, you know, check to see as you look 334 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: at the five volt power supply signal. I'm gonna give 335 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: you a connector number. You've got to find connector. Um, 336 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: there's a C one connector or a C two connector 337 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: at the PCM once pin sevent pin thirty one. Maybe 338 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I gotta send you a wiring diagram. Actually, And basically 339 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: what we want to do is we want to we 340 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: want to get a wiring diagram. We want to look 341 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: at the five volt reference signal right there and start 342 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: unplugging those sensors. And you know, if we unplugged him 343 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: one at a time, does that effect that power supplied? 344 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Does that also affect UM signal output? All right? Because 345 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: sooner or later we're gonna find either a shorted sensor 346 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: or a shortened wiring harness, and when we unplug it, 347 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: our problem is going to go away. Does that make 348 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: any sense to you? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Um. 349 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: One of the one of the places you've got to 350 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: look that's real common is look around the rear headbolt 351 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: on the driver's side of the valve cover, all right, 352 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: because I see I've seen a lot of issues where 353 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: the wiring harness rubs through and creates an issue. All right, um, 354 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: and also keep in mind for the the convoluted wiring 355 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: harness that's there. Um, you want to take a look 356 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: at that and see what that's doing. Hey, Mix, stay 357 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: on the phone. I don't want to rush it because 358 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: we took some time beforehand. Let me come back and 359 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit more. I'm on the 360 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: ending the car doctor, we're back right after. What this 361 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: car is automatic? It's systematic, it's hard, dramatic. What's breast 362 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: lightening flow off the back on the end of the car? Doctor? 363 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: Do you ever notice that car though it was built 364 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: in high school autoshop? Right? I think of all the 365 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: cars you had in high school autoshop that you wish 366 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: you had now, and what would they be worth. I 367 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: don't know about you. You you hung out in the 368 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: electronics studio. We had a thirty two for five window 369 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: with no floorboards that we had. It's an old fort 370 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: let's just get rid of it. What could it be worth? 371 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: You know? Good? Um? So, by the way, how's the 372 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: phone how's the phone call come into the phone company. 373 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm still very important to them, so you know, that's 374 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: why we just screwed up the queue going into the 375 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: break because you know, I'm sitting here listening to music, 376 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: listening to you, trying to figure out what to do, 377 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: and lost track of time. Don't worry, I got plenty 378 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: in me. I got a whole another two hours. We're 379 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: just we're just getting started toward. And I was gonna 380 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: tell you I had a sixty nine Ford Galaxy in school. 381 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Let me tell you that was a piece of that 382 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: was a piece of steel. Yes it was. That was 383 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: a piece of steel. Sixty nine Ford Galaxy, big full 384 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: size boats. They were great that as you can hear, 385 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: I'm waiting on the line for the next available rep um. No, 386 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: I was, uh my next door neighbor backed into me. 387 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: He was a school bus driver backed into it with 388 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: a school bus. It didn't care, right, it was just 389 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: a solid piece of steel. We didn't need air bags 390 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: in those days. The cars were bigger than everything else. 391 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Let's get to make an Oregon, Mike, you're still there, 392 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: so let's let's do this one at a time. Go 393 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: to the PCM. All right, the power, the the main computer, 394 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: which I believe is I believe is sitting over there 395 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: on the driver's side fender. If memory serves me correct, 396 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: black computer module the black or silver computer module. The 397 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: silver the black connector. The black connector is going to 398 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: be connector one, all right, and pins two and twenty 399 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: two our power. It's kind of hard for me to 400 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: explain to you how to find pins two and twenty 401 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: two would be basically if you were if you unplugged 402 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: it from the computer and we're looking at looking at 403 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: the female side, the connectors side of the harness. Pin 404 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: one is the top row on the right. Okay, Pin 405 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: twenty two is straight down directly underneath it. So if 406 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: you count in one, that's pin two, and if you 407 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: look straight down from one, that's twenty two. Here's the case. 408 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: We're having a wiring diagram and matchuring wiring color to 409 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: connector would be it would would really be a help, 410 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: all right. So what we're looking for on two and 411 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: twenty two is good solid power keion engine. Obviously at 412 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: this point, you know, if we're going with a voltmeter, 413 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: do we have five vaults? Yeah, it should be a 414 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: five volt signal there, I'm sorry. Two and twenty two 415 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: are yeah, okay, Two and twenty two are UM two 416 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and twenty two are pcm power. My mistake. All right, 417 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: So we're looking. We're looking for you know whatever best 418 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: standing battery voltages. All right, Then we want to go. 419 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Then we want to go to um uh pins thirty 420 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: one and thirty two. Here's where it would help if 421 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: we again new pins and wire color. We're looking for ground, 422 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: all right, So you know, put your voltmeter, put one 423 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: lead to the positive and then put the other into 424 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: ground and you should see battery voltage there. Okay, Next 425 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna look. You're gonna look for a five old 426 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: power supply at pin seventeen, pin seventeen and um pin 427 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: thirty one of the second connector C two or the 428 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: middle connector should also be five volt power supply the 429 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: five old power supply on seventeen and thirty one or 430 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: the other connector, if memory serves me right. You're looking 431 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: for shorts the ground. And don't be afraid when you're 432 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: looking for a short to ground. O G. The problem 433 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: is not there. Everything looks good. Wiggled harnesses, that'd be 434 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: a great time to go. And you know the areas 435 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: of suspector being a problem. Start wiggling wiring harness is 436 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: nice and easy, all right. This isn't a This isn't 437 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: a case where you want to be a brute. You 438 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 1: want to kind of gently massage everything and and and 439 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: move it around and you know, look to see d 440 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: see any change, all right? And then and then we 441 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, then the censors on 442 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the circuit or the crank you know CAM crank, you 443 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: know cam's part of this too throttle position map. And 444 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: here's a case where looking at the wiring diagram, you'll 445 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: see everything that's on that five volt feed all right, 446 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: and then if you unplugged the sensors one at a time. Um, 447 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: you can even do this without the scandal. Just use 448 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: it using your meter. Just watch the five volts supply when, 449 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: when if if if the if the five volts supply 450 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: shows a short, the signals constantly low. Unplug a sensor 451 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: doesn't return, okay, and if it returns, that's that's the sensor. Okay. 452 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: I see that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, there was there 453 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: was another pin. There's pin seventeen. Then I'm looking for 454 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: five volts on and then there there was a pin 455 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: thirty one. But pin thirty one is at the middle connector. 456 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: That's what's confusing you because pin say pin thirty one 457 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: on the connector one is ground pin thirty one on 458 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: the middle connector should be a power supply. Okay, okay, 459 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: but again a wiring diagram would he up loads. Listen 460 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: if if you get if you get confused, send me 461 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: an email Ron at card Doctor show dot com. As 462 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: soon as as soon as I get all fair, I'll 463 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: I'll print out a I'll print out a wiring diagram 464 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: and I'll bang it over to you, all right, um, 465 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: Just you know, give me your just give me your 466 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: make and model again. Give me the seventeen digit VIN 467 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: of the vehicle too, all right, and then I'll go 468 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: look at the Christler database and see if I find 469 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: anything else there. But you know, I think you're dealing 470 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: with either a short at censor or a problem in 471 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the wiring harness. And I think that's I think that's 472 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: where we're at here, all right, all right, um, and 473 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: tell your son to stuff. Tell your son stuff throwing 474 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: away parts, you know, um, And and you know, last 475 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you obviously we want to use a 476 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: good quality part. Doesn't have to be a Chrysler piece, 477 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: but something you know, of known quality, you know, no 478 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: questions about it. You know, we don't want to buy anything. 479 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little thing a little bit later 480 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: today this hour about someone did ignition coils on a 481 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: V ten Ford and they used these coils online for 482 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: seven dollars a piece. And I'm cringing going you know, right, 483 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: So you know, if you've got an O'Reilly Oota parts 484 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: out by you, um, get out to an Orialyota parts 485 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: and ask him what do they have that works? What's 486 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: you know, you're looking for quality and they'll have it. 487 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: And um, you know that's the nice thing about them. 488 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: They always give you straight answers. So alright, sir, all right, 489 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: well you're really welcome, Mick, and good luck to you. 490 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: Like I said, send me an email ronic card, doctor 491 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: show dot com. Tom hate doing on the phones. Oh 492 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm still sitting here enjoying, you know, the best of 493 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Matavani or whatever they're playing. Yea, you notice that it's 494 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: always that great elevator music. Um, yeah, the problem is 495 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm not on an elevator. Well, the guy that on 496 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: the other end of the phone is because there's only 497 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: one guy in that company, I've decided, and he's right 498 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: in the elevator looking for an excuse trying to get 499 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: out because he can't really fix the phone system. I'm 500 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: gonna pull up. I'm gonna pull over and take a pause. 501 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: Eight five five zero nine zero. That really is our 502 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: own number, even though it kind of doesn't work. Today. 503 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: We're calling out to get you. So if you send 504 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: me an email Ron at Car Doctors Show dot com, 505 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: then we can call you back. We're gonna show you 506 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: technology at its finest. You you email us, we call 507 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: you back today and today only. I'm Ron and Ay 508 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: and I'll be back right after this. I'm right it 509 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: on the wall, so you don't forget to call for 510 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: car advice. Done right? Eight five five five zero nine 511 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: zero zero. Now back to Ron. So I understand here 512 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: in the studio, I have Lucy the Wonder Dog or 513 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: studio Messcott. Lucy, how are you doing down there? Babe? 514 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: That's it. She's telling you everything she knows about cars, 515 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: but she's happy lying on the floor the most cute 516 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: little pitfull. Let's go over and talk to Benn and 517 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Ben. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How 518 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: can I help? Hey? Ron? I got a question about 519 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: two cars time too for Nickel? Go ahead, sure, first 520 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: one a two thousand thirteen suber forester. UM check engine 521 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: light came on, and uh, this is my buddy's car. 522 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: But I told them to screw on the gas casts 523 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: and go to Orillies and get the code red. So 524 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: those Orillies get P zero and then uh, hope goes 525 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: from there and we talk a lot about it. And 526 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: then UM car goes down to halfway on the gas 527 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: tank and the light goes out. UM. So I told 528 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: him to go get a diagnostic assessment. UM. But otherwise, 529 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, what else can we check? I was, you know, 530 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: can we check like O two censors? Or well, yeah, 531 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: how many miles on the car? Ben the thousand? All right? 532 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: Kind of young for a cat failure. Not not impossible, 533 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: all right. UM. Any sort of coolant loss issues or 534 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: any oil consumption issues on the car? Oil consumption, I 535 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: don't think so. The tricky part is I I changed 536 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: his oil recently. I cannot figure out on the dipstick 537 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: how to read the oil. UM. I know I put 538 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: enough in, UM, but did you put in did you 539 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: put in too much? No? No, I don't I don't 540 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: think I put too much in. It was just and 541 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: this is I actually used to have a similar car 542 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: with the zero W twenty just pulling the dipstick out 543 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: the splash. When you're pulling it out, I try to 544 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: pull it out slowly, but it's like one half of 545 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: the dipstick looks maybe like it's reading, and the other 546 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: half it was like all the way up to the top. 547 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: And I actually had one that was was having a huge, 548 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: huge oil consumption issue. But I didn't really figure it 549 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: out until I started changing the oil myself. I was 550 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: measuring what was coming out um and what was going in, 551 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: but it was it was consuming a lot of oil, 552 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: but I couldn't figure it out from the dipsticks with 553 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: oil being sliped in and read it. How many quarts 554 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: are you put in the soup? You think four and 555 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: a half? Five quarts? Um? That went in? Yeah, I 556 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: just went by spec I think it was. I think 557 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: it was about court sounds all right, that sounds right. 558 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: As long as you didn't tell me seven, then I'd 559 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: be a you know, you know, then I'd be like, 560 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, um, so I'll never forget one day. On radio, 561 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: we too, We don't save some of these calls. But 562 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the person I said, how much oil did you put in? 563 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: And they said, well, I've just filled it up until 564 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: it came out the top. Supposed that it's not a radiator, 565 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: it's a crank case. You know. It was Oh my god, 566 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: I can that that that that that poor was? What 567 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: was that? That was a small block Chevy as a 568 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: matter of fact, So I can't, you know, I forget 569 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: what it was. I think that. I think a small 570 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: block Chevy a whole fourteen quarts of oil inside the 571 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know, normally a five court system. 572 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, um, so the light went out. That's a 573 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: good thing. Let's let's just talk real quick. Why why 574 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: do we get a CAT efficiency code? All right? There's 575 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: an oxygen sensor. In simple terms, every car, Uh, there's 576 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: an oxygen sensor in front of the cat catalytic converter. 577 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: There's an oxygen sensor after the cat. The the air 578 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: fuel mixture goes through the engine, It burns, it produces, 579 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, some utants, and the catalytic converters job is 580 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: to break it down into non harmful pollutants. So an 581 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: oxygen sensor measures Todd, even Tom Ray can answer this question. 582 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: Oxygen wament I give you the answer, Tom. I was 583 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, kick batter or something. You know. 584 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: It's an oxygen sensor measures oxygen. So you will see 585 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: on a normal fuel trim, good healthy oxygen sensor, et cetera, 586 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: you will see a a voltage signal somebody between zero 587 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: and one vault. Again a simple, simple system here, simple 588 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: between zero and one vault, and the signal will rise 589 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: and full. If there's a lot of oxygen in the system, 590 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it's low voltage. If there's a low or 591 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: a high, I'm sorry. If there's uh, you know, low 592 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: as lean meaning a high oxygen content. High means low 593 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: oxygen content, it's a it's a high voltage. So the 594 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: signal is always rising and fall because the computer is 595 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: looking at that rise and fall, and it's always varying 596 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: fuel trim. The catalytic converter takes all that at oxygen, 597 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: and it's like Tom sitting down to eat a sandwich. 598 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: I gotta pick on Tom. Tony's not here. It's like 599 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Tom sitting down to eat a sandwich. It just crams 600 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: as much and as it possibly can. And you've never 601 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: seen the meat, folks. And until he finally says I've 602 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: had enough, he kind of burps and he holds it 603 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: all right. So a catalytic converter takes all that oxygen 604 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: and it eats and eats and eats and eats and 605 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: eats until it can't eat anymore, and it holds it 606 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: all right. Then at one point they they change the 607 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: fuel trim. The catalytic converter says, I've had enough, and 608 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: it burps and it releases that oxygen and that's when 609 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: the downstream mode two sensor changes its signal. Okay, So 610 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: all this happens over a calculated time and all of 611 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: a calculated you know, moment, and the computer knows when 612 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen if at any given time 613 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: the front and the rear oxygen sensor match each other 614 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: or the because theoretically they're supposed to be a three 615 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: three to five second to lay on most cars again 616 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: normal you know, not every car, but most cars UM 617 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: three to five second delay before where that where that 618 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: rear that downstream signal will be will stay stuck high 619 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: until Tom Ray burps and then it drops the signal. 620 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Um you know, it's looking for that three to five 621 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: second gap and pause and then it'll hold it for 622 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: so long. If all of a sudden, they start switching together. 623 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: The computer goes, wait a minute. You know, it's either 624 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: something's broke or we've got a problem, or what happened, 625 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: and it it automatically sets a P zero four twenty. Um. 626 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: The fact that it's not there now, you know, we'd 627 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: have to go back and look at a few things. 628 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Ben, don't go away. Let me 629 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: pull over and take this pause. Tom's waving at me 630 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: because he's got ten things going on today. Let me 631 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: pull over and take this pause and make him happy, 632 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: and I'll come back. We'll finish this up on morning. 633 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: Any of the car doctor, don't go anywhere. Welcome back 634 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: the car doctor. Ben. You're still there, sir, Rhode Island. 635 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: So real quick, let's get let's get rid of the 636 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: first question so we can get to the second. Real fist, 637 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: because we're gonna go um, let's leave it at you. 638 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you understand that basic principle of how it's 639 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: looking at cat monitoring and deciding if the cat's pass 640 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: or fail. You got that looking at so for whatever 641 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: reason or whatever moments. So obviously, engine temperature is critical, alright, 642 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: if this car has has if this car is a 643 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: thermostat that's off by ten degrees. It will affect CAT 644 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: monitoring ability because it affects engine temperature and that affects 645 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: the ability to CAT to light off. But it should 646 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: have set a P zero. And I'm not trying to 647 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: confuse you. But there's other there's other factors to consider, 648 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: all right. A CAT code doesn't necessarily mean a bad CAT. 649 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: That's the synopsis of how it works. I would be 650 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: considering engine temperature. I'd want to look at fuel trim. 651 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: I'd want to look at a couple of other factors. 652 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: And again i'd take a scancel, go look at mode 653 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: six and see where is engine temperature. Just because it 654 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: hasn't said a fault code for engine temper or any 655 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: other code doesn't mean that it doesn't. It isn't about too. 656 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: It's appending full. So there's some detailed diagnosis that could 657 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: happen here. Two things, two last thoughts. Barriman Products, Briman 658 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Products dot Com. Briman Products dot Com. Take look at 659 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: the website, call them up, Hey, which one of the 660 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: fuel system cleaners do you have that might help in 661 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: an after treatment of the catalytic converter? If the cats 662 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: getting old and tired, there are fuel editives out there 663 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: that will help clean up catalytic converters. She can get 664 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: down to, you know, scrub away the old and get 665 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: down to the fresh surface to help rejuvenate the cat 666 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: It's it's been known to happen. That's one of the 667 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: reasons we push fuel system cleaners so much, because they 668 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: do work. Last thought, just make sure there's no software updates. 669 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any from Subaru. Make sure the 670 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: car has no software updates that it might need. Go 671 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: tell me your Toyota story real quick, al right. Tried 672 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: to took it to get aligned. Um. They told me 673 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: the right rear front control arm was bent and they 674 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: couldn't align it. I looked under there. I don't see anything, 675 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: ben um, And I'm wondering to the should I just 676 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: try to get it replaced, or try to replace it 677 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: myself and then go from there or take it to 678 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: a different place to get aligne. I'd probably take it. 679 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: Well a couple of things, um, to say one particular 680 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: component is bent. What do they know? They must know 681 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: something that you don't know. I'd be looking for tweaks 682 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: in the rust or tweaks in the steel. Do I 683 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: see anything kink. Do I see any flakes of rust 684 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: that tell me it's possibly been moved or modified something 685 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: like that. Um, but by all means, uh, you know, 686 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: let's get a second opinion, because to just randomly say, hey, 687 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: one of the control arms has bent, well, you know what, 688 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: bolognas a dollar pound that I want to see you 689 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: eat the sandwich. So I'm running any of the car 690 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: Doctor mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.