1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Our two of the Clay Travis had 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show is here. My friends, thanks for being 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: with us. We've got a lot to discuss with you 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: this hour. We will get into how Hollywood, China and 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: the global elites are all battling for cultural supremacy. That's 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: a book I think I might have got the title 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Red Carpet. It's called Hollywood chin in the Global Battle 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: for Cultural Supremacy. We'll be discussing that later on this 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: hour with Eric Schwartzer, the author. First, though, we wanted 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: to talk to Virginia mom Maryanne Jensen. She's with us 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: in the line. But before we let you hear from her, 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: the update here what a recall that she went viral 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: last week for speaking out at a school board meeting. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: Here is that audio. November fifteenth of last year, I 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: had the privilege of speaking with doctor mcdaide for ten 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: minutes following the CRT town hall meeting. During that discussion, 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: which was friendly in core Joel, I asked what she, 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: as superintendent could do to get the kids out of masks. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: Doctor mcday told me that she would if she could, 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: but that her hands were tied by then Governor Northm's 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: executive order mandating face covering, and if it weren't for that, 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: things would be different. Well, tonight things are different, and 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you, doctor mcday tonight what has 25 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: changed and what do you plan on doing now that 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: your hands are untight. I'm, in fact, I'm asking all 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: of you to step up the way other leaders who 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: have and are ending COVID restrictions by the day. When 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: will you? What will it take? You are on the 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: losing side of history, and it's time to make that 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: right before these children out. That was Virginia mom Maryann Jensen, 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: who was with us. Now, Mary Anne, thanks for calling 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: to the clan Buck Show. Hey, thanks for having me here. 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. What's it like to go viral 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: when you're standing up for your kids and the kids 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: all across the country that are being forced to mask 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: up for no apparent good reason. How's it been going. 38 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: It's been surreal. It's been surreal. You know. That idea 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: was put up on YouTube for my family on the 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: east or the West coast to see how I did. 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: I woke up the next morning and it had gone viral, 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and I was shocked. It was such a It's just 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: been a surreal week. It's been overwhelming, and it's been 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: amazing actually. And what are some of the reactions you've 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: gotten from folks? I mean, you know who's reaching out 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: to you, and I just want to know. I would 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: assume a lot of parents are probably saying, do you 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: thanks for doing it, thanks for speaking the truth. Oh. 49 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: I've had hundreds of people from all over the country 50 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: reaching out to me. I've had grandpa's that has said 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: thank you for fighting for my grandchildren. I've had mothers, 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I've had fathers, I've had At the board meeting that night, 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: I had little kids coming up to me hugging me, 54 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: telling me thank you for fighting for them. And so 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing it for. I'm doing it for 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the kids, but I'm doing it for all the other 57 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: parents who may not have a voice, or who have 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: jobs and they're not able to speak out. That's what 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm here for and I will continue to do it. Mary. 60 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: And this is Clay. I appreciate you coming on with 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: us here. I saw your speech. I spoke at my 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: school back in August for my kids as well, I 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: want to start with this, how many kids do you 64 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: have in school and where are they going to school? 65 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: And what has been the reaction since that school board meeting. 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: My I have four children. I have a twelve year 67 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: old son, I have twins who are ten, a boy 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: and a girl, and i have a seven year old 69 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: little girl. And I'm not really comfortable saying what schools 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: they go to, but they are in Prince William County, Okay, 71 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: So in Prince William County. And I loved the way 72 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: you laid it out talking about that situation. You guys 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: have ended up as the epicenter now in many ways 74 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: in northern Virginia as the battleground over school masking. What 75 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: is the latest in terms of what's going on in 76 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: that county in Virginia And what do you anticipate in 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: the wake of that school board meeting and your speech 78 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that's that went viral and we played on this show 79 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: and obviously has been shared so many different places all over. 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I wish I knew it was 81 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: going to happen. I wish Superintendent McDade would call me 82 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know what, thanks for your speech. 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: We're going to end mask mandates. Unfortunately, I don't think 84 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. That our seven counties went into 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: a lawsuit. Um, they it just went through the Arlington 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Circuit Court and it's going to go now to the 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Supreme Court unfortunately, or the Virginia Supreme Court. Unfortunately. There 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: was a conflict of interest in that Arlington court. One 89 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: of the judge had a spouse who is a teacher 90 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: in that county. So it's that's a big mass. As 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: far as what's going to happen, I really don't know. 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: With all of these states taking down at mask mandates, 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: the writing is on the wall. They've got to wake 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: up and see that they are losing, they are losing 95 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: time and it needs to end. We're speaking to Virginia 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: mom Mary Anne Jensen for anyone joining us, who last 97 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: week went viral for her speech at her school board 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: in Virginia where she said enough with this mask madness, 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: and specifically Mary Anne, I wanted to have you address. 100 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean that there was a member of the what 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: was it the school chancellor or superintendent or some school 102 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: official who had said previously, months previously, were it not 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: for the governor's order when the governor was Democrat Northam. 104 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: We would totally take the masks off your kid's faces. 105 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: And now it's governor, it's governor, young kid, and they're 106 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: still not taking the masks off the faces. Do they 107 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: have any explanation for you? Did you get either before 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: or after your speech, any explanation from that official about 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: why he or she essentially lied. No, I haven't heard anything. 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: It was our superintendent. We were at a critical race there, 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: recount hall meeting on November fifteenth. I remember what she 112 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: was wearing. I remember where we were standing in the hallway. 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: I grabbed her aside and said, hey, what can you 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: do to get these kids out of masks? And she 115 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: looked at me and she said, I know it's been 116 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: so hard. I would love to see things back to normal, 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: but unfortunately my hands are tied and I'm waiting from 118 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: guidance from Richmond. So I came home and I told 119 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: my children and we said, just wait, guys, just wait. 120 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, just a few more months we got Governor 121 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: yncun coming in. Just wait. And so I was light 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: to and I do not like to be light to. 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: And that's been the hardest thing is for my children 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: to be so excited to be able to get out 125 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: of masks and then oh, sorry, guys, our superintendent who 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: lied to me is now saying we can't do that. 127 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: That's been the hardest thing is just seeing how my 128 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: children have been affected by this. We're talking to Mary 129 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: and Jen said, okay, you reached out to me yesterday 130 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: and this got me super fired up. So your three 131 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: minute discussion, your speech, your argument again kids having to 132 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: wear masks, and as you said, you're a mother of 133 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: four kids in northern Virginia. That went up on YouTube 134 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: and then YouTube said it violated their community standards and 135 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: they pulled that down. Now, just for people out there 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: who are listening, you spoke at a public forum, a 137 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: school board event. It is the very essence of a 138 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: community based event to allow people to share their opinion 139 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: about their kids. Again, just to reiterate, you've got four 140 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: kids in these schools. What did YouTube say to you? 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Is it still pulled down? And what sort of recourse, 142 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: if any, do you have to enable that three minute 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: discussion to be able to be shared again, Because so 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: many parents out there are like you, they're like me, 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: They want to be able to share the data because 146 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: it is I think child abuse, to continue to put 147 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: kids in mask when there's no scientific evidence to support it. Yeah, 148 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: I was kicked yesterday when I went to click on 149 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: my video to show somebody and it said you are 150 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: violating any standards. I was really angry. I felt like 151 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: they were trying to shut down my voice. And I 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: guess YouTube mom or YouTube things that moms can't speak up. 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: They were trying to keep me in my place. They 154 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: wanted to get me back in the kitchen. And like 155 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: I've said before, not this mom and not all the 156 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: other moms who are sick of school boards playing playing 157 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: political games with our children. So I tweeted it and 158 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: I got a lot of you know, a lot of comments. 159 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: I've got over one hundred thousand impressions just on that 160 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: one tweet. And I believe it's back up because of 161 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: some pressure from high, high profiled individuals. And I feel 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: like they are they're losing, and they know these they 163 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: know that they're losing. So all these start all these 164 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: states are reversing their mask mandates and we're at the 165 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: top of the wave and it's crusting. And I think 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: YouTube knows this. They're afraid of it. That's so well 167 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: said and I wanted to follow up. I'm glad that 168 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: YouTube has adjusted their response there. And I don't think 169 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: it's any doubt that you reaching out and helping to 170 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: draw attention to it when you saw New Jersey, Delaware, 171 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: in Connecticut, those are three blue states with three Democratic 172 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: governors effectively acknowledge that your argument was right. What was 173 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,119 Speaker 1: your reaction to seeing what happened yesterday as the tide 174 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: against masking seems now to have spread not only from uh, 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: you know, parents in red or purple states, but now 176 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: directly into blue states. Yeah, it's it's it's surprising, but 177 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: it's not. Um. I wish I could say I was 178 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: the voice. I wish I could say I was the 179 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: catalyst that started this, but I think I think parents 180 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: are resonator. It's resonating to parents that the facts and 181 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: the data and so they can't hide from it. These 182 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: blue states cannot hide from the fact that three hundred 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: thirty one children have died of COVID related incidences. Well, 184 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: we can't hide behind this anymore. Children are not are 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: not lining up on the streets or in the you know, 186 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: in the schools dying And that may sound callous, but 187 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: they're just not and so these blue states should have 188 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: lifted their mask mandates a long time ago when the 189 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: data has come out. Mary Anne Jensen, Mary and Jensen, 190 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Fired up Virginia, Mom. We hope 191 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: you'll come back and tell us how this goes, because 192 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: until this fight is over, it's not over. It's not over. 193 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: We've got to keep fighting. We've got to put the 194 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: pressure on these school boards. Absolutely. 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I gotta tell you, Buck, I 217 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: just love hearing moms and dads who are willing to 218 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: go out and make the case based on factual data 219 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: as it pertains to masks in school And you just 220 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: heard from Mary Ann Jensen where Northern Virginia really has 221 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: emerged as the primary battleground, I would say, over masks 222 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: in schools. And she's got she said, three kids, twelve 223 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: year old, twin ten year olds, and a seven year old. 224 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: I've obviously got two kids who were in elementary school 225 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: as well. And again I think we need to reiterate this. 226 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, all the facts and all the science support it, 227 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: but I think you and I are in total agreement 228 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: Buck that if masks, especially masks in schools, if it 229 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: gives up the ghost, if it collapses, all of the 230 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: apparatus surrounding COVID restrictions go as well. Because this is 231 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: sort of the foundational foundational basis for all COVID restrictions. 232 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: And it's like, if you wipe out this thing, the 233 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: whole house of COVID restrictions comescrambling. Deack. Just think this through. 234 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: And this has been my premise from the very beginning 235 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: of this is why I was. I mean, I'm an 236 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: anti mask zealot. I mean I will accept that I'm 237 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: an anti mask fundamentalist, right. I don't shy away from 238 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: that at all, because I recognized early on that it's 239 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: not just the compliance, the subjugation, the bending of the 240 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: NAT that comes with it. It's also the constant visual 241 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: reminder to everybody. Think about a world in which someone saying, 242 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: do you excuse me, sir, excuse me? Can you have 243 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: six feet of social distancing where you're not in a 244 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: room full of people with masks on? Right? Or when 245 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: you're not in line at a restaurant or a coffee 246 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: shop and everyone doesn't have this stupid cloth or whatever 247 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: on their face, you look at them like they're completely 248 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they are insane, but you look at them 249 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: like they're even crazier. It just doesn't work, It doesn't happen. 250 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: But with masks on everybody, it essentially medicalizes at some 251 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: level our entire society, like we're all in this biosecurity 252 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: state all the time, and so then you can have 253 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: other things added on to it. Show me your vaccine passport, 254 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: make sure you're standing six feet apart. Wash your hands, 255 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: here's your purerel They're still I mean, I'm sure they 256 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: this with you too. Why are they still giving everyone 257 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: hand sanitizer where they get on plates. The science quote 258 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: unquote doesn't support this as a stopping of transmission at 259 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: all at all. Buck, I had to get tested. I'm 260 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: at the Fox lot in LA and I know that 261 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: this is a big deal in New York City too, 262 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and for people out there who live in New York 263 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: in LA, you know what we're talking about. But I 264 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: had to get tested today to come onto the lot 265 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: as an unvaccinated person in order to be able to 266 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: come here. I went out to dinner last night in 267 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: La and I got asked for my vaccine passport in 268 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: the hotel in which I'm staying. I want you to 269 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: hear this, Buck, I think you'll in the hotel in 270 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: which I'm already staying. Okay. I came downstairs to go 271 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: to the restaurant in the hotel and they said, sir, 272 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: you can't get in unless you have a vaccine card 273 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: or unless you have a negative test. Now I had 274 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: a negative test, but I just want you to think 275 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: about how crazy this is. I can walk into the lobby, 276 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: I can get on the elevator. I can go up 277 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: to my room. I can come downstairs, be in the lobby, 278 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: ask any questions, do anything that I want to do. 279 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: I can get on the WiFi if I wanted to 280 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: be sitting there with my laptop. But the restaurant, I'm 281 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: not allowed to go in the restaurant. What logical sense 282 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: does it make that I can stay in the hotel, 283 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: I can be in the public areas of the hotel. 284 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: I can sit Buck at the bar in the hotel lobby, 285 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: but I'm not allowed to go into the restaurant unless 286 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: I have a vaccine card, or I had a negative test, 287 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: because I'm getting negative test here. What you're talking about 288 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: is a transition that happened during COVID from this even 289 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: being ostensibly about the science, which, as we know now 290 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: apparently it does change. Wait, I thought the science was 291 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: settled on so much of this. Now they're saying, oh, no, 292 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the science has changed. Of course, the science, there's no 293 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: such thing. It has always been changing. But they needed 294 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: to create an enemy at some point here because the 295 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: failure of the apparatus of the Fauci Democrat legacy media 296 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: paratus that was pushing lockdowns at all this madness from 297 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: the start, the failure was going to at some point 298 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: become a political liability. I think they're worried about that 299 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: right now, and people were gonna not listen after a 300 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: while unless they could create this Oh it's not that. 301 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: What we told you and the things we made you 302 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: do don't work, Clay. It is the non compliant. It 303 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: is the unvaccinated. As we know, the pandemic of the 304 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: unvaccinated line from Biden, the other rising of people, including 305 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: millions and millions of them who had natural immunity. Not 306 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: to mention those who just didn't want to do this stuff. 307 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: And we sit here, we say, well, hold on a second, 308 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: why do they do things like they do to you. 309 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: It's to punish people, the bad people who didn't do 310 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: all the things they were told like good boys and girls. 311 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: It is explicitly to annoy and antagonize those who would 312 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: not bend the knee on every little thing and go 313 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: along with every aspect. Because it's clearly this is why 314 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: you got a mask up when you walk to your 315 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: table at a restaurant. It's clearly not about science. You 316 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: sit there with your mask off the whole time. I 317 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: just I couldn't get over in the lobby. I'm allowed 318 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: in the bar lobby. I'm allowed in the area if 319 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: I want to sit there. There are guys who have 320 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: laptops out, you know, like a lot of times you 321 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: work in the lobby. I'm allowed to do all that. 322 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: I am allowed to get in the elevator obviously, and 323 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: go to my hotel room and stay at the hotel. 324 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: But I'm not allowed to go into the restaurant. 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Welcome back into playing Buck show. 358 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: As you know, the Winter Olympics underway in China right now, 359 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: and you might have even seen what I guess is 360 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the artificial snow ski slope next to the nuclear cooling 361 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: towers and what looks like a dystopian hellscape of some 362 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: part of Beijing. I've been in Beijing. Let me tell 363 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: you that places huge. It is a giant city. He 364 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: goes on forever. Let's talk a bit more about China 365 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: though with Eric Schwartzel right now. He's the author of 366 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: Red Carpet Hollywood, China and the global battle for cultural supremacy. Eric, 367 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us, Hey, thanks for having me. Well, first, 368 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: let's just start with the basic thesis you have of 369 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: your book here. I mean, Clay and I have talked 370 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: before about how they'll actually edit out Taiwan patches from 371 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Maverick's Leather Jacket and the Top Gun remake that Hollywood 372 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: bends the needed China or elites bend the needed China. 373 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: What do you see going on here? Yeah, I think 374 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: it's the story that several years in the making. You know, 375 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: Hollywood movies have been flowing into the Chinese market since 376 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, but it's only been the past decade 377 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: and a half or so that the Chinese box office 378 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: has grown exponentially. The Chinese box office, a lot of 379 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: people don't realize this is now the biggest in the world, 380 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: and the US market was flatlining before COVID, and then 381 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: COVID took a big punch to it. And so the studios, 382 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: because they want to stay in business, need to get 383 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: those movies into Chinese theaters, and that means passing approval 384 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: from Chinese censors. So that explains why, as you said, 385 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: the patches on Tom Cruise's jacket in a Top Gun 386 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: reboot can't show Taiwan or Japan because those are countries 387 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: that are in poor favor with China. So the Hollywood 388 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: movies have to make sure they follow those rules in 389 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: order to be screened in that country and have access 390 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: to its box office. Eric, I read a fantastic excerpt 391 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: of your book look in the Wall Street Journal over 392 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: the weekend edition, and Buck and Eye had actually talked 393 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: about this recently. So Red Dawn nineteen eighties movie. A 394 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: lot of people remember that movie, Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen, 395 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: the idea that Russians are suddenly going to land, these 396 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: kids from Colorado fight back against them. They decided to 397 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: do a remake, and according to that editorial or sorry 398 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: that excerpt, there were Tom Cruise, Everybody's sitting around and 399 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: they say, Okay, it's China that's definitely going to attack. 400 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: They filmed the whole movie and then suddenly realize, wait 401 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: a moment. If China is the villain here, MGM, which 402 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: is distributing and making this movie, is in real trouble. 403 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: And so they spent I believe you said, a million 404 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: dollars to turn it into North Korea that was actually 405 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: attacking the United States instead of China. That's a wild 406 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: story for our audience out there. Explain that, and you 407 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: say it was an interesting pivot point in the history 408 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: of United States in China film because since that point, 409 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: basically there have been no bad guys from China because 410 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: Hollywood is terrified to offend the Chinese. That's absolutely right. 411 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: It was the last movie put into production by a 412 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: major Hollywood studio that had cast China as the villain. 413 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: But as you said, it didn't even get released with 414 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: China as the villain because after MGM had finished filming 415 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: the movie, Chinese state media outlets made it clear that 416 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: they were not going to be happy if it came out, 417 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: and they could punish the company elsewhere. So one of 418 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: the dynamics we've seen emerge is that Chinese authorities will 419 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: punish studios however they can. So it's not enough to 420 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: make a movie that's critical of China and then just 421 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: not planned to release it in China, even if you 422 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: release it just in the US. China has shown that 423 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: it will punish you elsewhere, whether it's blocking consumer products 424 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: or toys that you make from getting into the country 425 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: or forbidding you from build, from building a theme park 426 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: like Disney and Universal have in the country. There are 427 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: larger corporate interests threatened by these movies that anger China 428 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: and Red Dawn, like Top Gun. It's such a such 429 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: a deeply ironic example because, as you mentioned, the original, 430 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: which is considered a classic by so many people. I 431 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: think of my generation in yours, you know, that is 432 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: such an emblem of the raw, raw era of American 433 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: movie making. You know, almost every movie, it seemed, had 434 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: a Soviet bad guy because we were in the middle 435 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: of a Cold War with the USSR. And today, whenever 436 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: those movies are remade, China is the obvious choice. I mean, 437 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: if you're thinking of a country that could plausibly invade 438 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the US and it has tensions with the US, China 439 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense than North Korea. It's just 440 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: that economically it's a non starter. Speaking of Eric Schwartzel, 441 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: author of Red Carpet, Hollywood, China, and the Global Battle 442 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: for Cultural Supremacy, Eric, how do you think we can 443 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: we should best handle this? I mean, would it be 444 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned the way that, yeah, there were all these movies. 445 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean, God, I remember watching Rocky four, and I've 446 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: never I don't know if I've ever been so fired 447 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: up is what he's squaring off against von Drago and 448 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: you know, the whole Ivan Drago whatever. And there was 449 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: a very clear messaging there about life behind the Iron 450 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: Curtain and fighting the Soviet, you know, the Soviet evil Empire. 451 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: Should I mean, would you like to see China be 452 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: a country that at least the Chinese Communist Party is 453 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: treated in a somewhat similar way? I mean, how do 454 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: we go about this? How do we win the cultural battle? 455 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: We already know the places where they have a tremendous 456 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: amount of influence and are dictating our cultural products in 457 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: many contexts. Yeah, you know, I think it's it's interesting 458 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: because look what you what you just described. I think 459 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: everyone can relate to, right, like leaving a movie theater 460 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: and just feeling amped up for whatever you just saw. 461 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's a real power. And I think 462 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: Hollywood sometimes is rightfully caut about that power when it 463 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: comes to demonizing certain countries or trafficking in certain kinds 464 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: of stereotype stereotypical portrayals. But it feels to me like 465 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, Hollywood has really for 466 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: the first time in its history, been at odds with 467 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: its own government. I mean, if you look at Hollywood 468 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: history from World War Two through the Cold War era, 469 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: Hollywood has, if not done America, has been seen as 470 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: something of an adjunct of the American government and really 471 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: the most effective tool we have for soft power and 472 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: hearts and minds around the world. And I think what 473 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: we're seeing now is there's a bit of a divergence 474 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: of opinion where you have politicians and I would say 475 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: politicians on both sides of the aisle as well as 476 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: consumers losing patients to not just Hollywood but also corporate 477 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: America's acquiescence to China. And I think that's the balancing 478 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: act that a lot of these studios are going to 479 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: have to strike, is how do we access to that market, 480 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: which is very important for our bottom line, but not 481 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: find ourselves on the wrong side of criticism here at home. Eric. 482 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: One of the things that's fascinating you kind of hinted 483 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: at this is even as the Hollywood industry in the 484 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: movies in general, have tried to bend a knee and 485 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: avoid offending China, they've been allowing fewer and fewer American 486 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: movies into their country. That's happening with the Marvel movies. 487 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: I'll use as an example the recent Space Jam remake. 488 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: I really believe that one reason Lebron James has been 489 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: so easy going on China and not ever spoken out 490 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: and said anything is because he wanted his movie to 491 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: play in China. Is China actually embarrassing Hollywood even more 492 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: by not only making decisions about what is and is 493 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: not allowed to be said about them, but also now 494 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: not even allowing many of these movies to have access 495 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: to their massive movie going market. For the past six 496 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: to eight months, I'd say that has become the case. 497 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it really feels like China has ghosted Hollywood 498 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: and it is not allowing movies in that traditionally would 499 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: have made hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office. 500 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: And it's not just the Space Jam reboot you mentioned. 501 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean movies as big as Spider Man and Shang 502 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: Chi and Black Widow are not being accepted into Chinese 503 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: theaters and it's leaving a big fat zero on the 504 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: balance sheet of the studios that works. What are you 505 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off? I think that's fascinating. What 506 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: do you attribute that too, because the space jams and 507 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: the marvels are not political in nature in many ways, 508 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: and you would think a movie like shang Chi, which 509 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: has an Asian star right in many ways, would be 510 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: the essence of why Hollywood potentially is even considering making 511 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: that movie because of the why is China suddenly exerting 512 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: that power even in movies like that that don't really 513 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: have a political bit, necessarily superhero style movies. Yeah, you're right. 514 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, these are not movies about the Dali Lama, 515 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: these are not movies about Taiwan. These are movies that 516 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be global products. Listen, there are a 517 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: lot of theories. There's no one answer. I mean, one 518 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: tricky thing about working with China is that you never 519 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: really get a memo saying we're not accepting your movie 520 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: and here's why. So you really have to kind of 521 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: read the tea leaves and see what the signals are. 522 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: And it seems like a couple of things have happened. 523 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: One is that China's own film industry has grown more 524 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: and more sophisticated in recent years, and Chinese audiences have 525 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: understandably grown to prefer Chinese entertainment to American entertainment. I 526 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: always say, you know, would we expect Americans to go 527 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: see a Chinese version of Baby Crockett. I mean, it 528 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: makes sense that as the Chinese movies have gotten better 529 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: that people there would gravitate towards those. But the other 530 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: thing that's happened is as Shijing Pang has consolidated power, 531 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: there's just been more of a turn inward, and I 532 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: think there's just been an overall greater skepticism about Western 533 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: and out side influence. And this has ebbed and flowed 534 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: throughout Hollywood's relationship with China. You know, every time when 535 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: Disney was building a massive theme park in Shanghai, there 536 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: were pockets of the Chinese government who said, you know, 537 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: do we really want Chinese children, you know, becoming affectionate 538 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: for Western characters or Disney characters. This happens over time, 539 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: but we've never seen anything this severe. And I think 540 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: it's going to lead to a lot of uncertainty here 541 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, because you know, when you're greenlighting a movie 542 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty or three hundred million dollars, 543 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: you all but need China to turn a profit. That's 544 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: how expensive these movies are and if it's that much 545 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: of an uncertainty, I don't really know what the studio 546 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: chiefs can do. Eric Schwartzel, author of Red Carpet Hollywood, China, 547 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: and the Global Battle for Cultural Supremacy. 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I am utterly fascinated, Buck by this 593 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: battle over what is and what is not acceptable for 594 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: the creative community to say about China the idea I mean, 595 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: and we talked about this last week, Buck, but let's 596 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: just not understate how crazy this is. They filmed the 597 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: entire Red Dawn remake. For those of you around mine 598 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: or bucks age, this is an iconic movie that was 599 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: made in the nineteen eighties that many of us grew 600 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: up a massive fan of. They filmed the entire movie 601 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: with Chinese bad guys invading America. Before release, they scrubbed 602 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: all of the audio, changed everyone of the military uniforms, 603 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: and recorded dialogue to make North Korea, which makes even 604 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: no sense right Like North Korea couldn't even invade South 605 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: Korea if they wanted to, much less somehow send troops 606 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: all the way around the world to invade the United States, 607 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: all to avoid offending China. I mean this is crazy stuff, right, 608 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like next level insane. The Soviets 609 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: relied on ideological fellow travelers in the Western world, people 610 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: that believe that communism was going to create, or had 611 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: already created in some cases because they didn't know any better, 612 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: a worker's paradise, and that was effective at some level. 613 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: But it's a very different thing we're seeing now with China, 614 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: where this is actually using our capitalist system in a 615 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: sense to have tremendous influence for our only near peer power, 616 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: which is the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese military 617 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: squaring off against us on the global stage. So this 618 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: goes much deeper, right. It's yeah, people can be ideologically 619 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: sympathetic to socialism. Communism, fine, their socialists in this country, 620 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: of course, plenty of them called democrats, but they also 621 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: at some level, I think now understand everyone understands that 622 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: the Chinese being able to leverage economic interests. We've never 623 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: dealt with something quite like this before where people or 624 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: you know, the heads of movie studios, the heads of 625 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: major corporations, the heads of the tech the tech giants 626 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: got to say, I'm gonna have to do China's bidding 627 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: on these issues because otherwise my company is going to 628 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: be non competitive. And to think about it, you mentioned 629 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: it too, Top Gun two. I don't even know when 630 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: Top Gun two is actually going to be I mean 631 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: hasn't been released yet. Right now, it hasn't been released. 632 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: They keep bumping it back because of COVID issues. And 633 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of COVID issues, did you see 634 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: in New York City that ten people got arrested for 635 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: going to a movie without being vaccinated? Did you see 636 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: that story? I did not, but I arrested people here 637 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: are walked them out in buck for going to a 638 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: movie without their vaccine car. This is a this is 639 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable thing. We haven't really talked about this on 640 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: the show very much. But you know, there's there's video, 641 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: right maybe there's been video in the past of my 642 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: beloved NYPD used to work at the NYPD arresting people 643 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: for not having vaccine passports. There's video in Canada of 644 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: police up there being really rough with a guy who 645 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: looks like he's about five foot three, and he's clearly 646 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: in his eighties. I sold really and small and in frail, 647 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: And you say to yourself, you know you don't have 648 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: to do this stuff, folks. You know you don't have 649 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: to manhandle people. You know you can actually you can 650 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: actually take a stand. Same thing we say about airline attendants. 651 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: I love those airline attendants who don't tell you to 652 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: pull the thing over your nose and leave you alone. 653 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: They're doing their part for freedom by not being tyrants. 654 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: Some of the cops, it's not good, Clay, it's not 655 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: good what's been going on with COVID well, and I 656 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: just think it's particularly wild. It's almost impossible to get 657 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: charged with a felony in New York right now. We 658 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: mentioned this. Two people got charged with felonies for going 659 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: to a Buffalo Bill's playoff game in New York with 660 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: fake vaccine cards. You look at what they are doing 661 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: in terms of not charging people who commit violent crimes 662 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: or robberies with felonies, and they're arresting and handcuffing people 663 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: from going to a movie or going to a football 664 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: game without vaccine cards. The apparatus cares about its power 665 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: and everyone's obedience much more than it cares about the 666 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: safety of people from violent crime. Just everyone should understand 667 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: that that's baked into all this. It's absolute insanity. Third 668 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: hour of the program. The battle over mass continues to grow. 669 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: There's so much insanity there. Also, what's going on on 670 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: the ground in Canada. Buck, We're going to go directly 671 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: to one of our great journalists stuff there that's actually 672 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: reporting on the truckers. That's coming up next Fleet Travis 673 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the front lines.