1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley. I almost famous. In depth. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: What an honor we're here with an in depth episode 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas at the I Heart Radio Music Festival with, 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the Bachelorette, one of two, one 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: of two Bachelorettes, Rachel, Rachel, thanks for sitting down with us. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me finally sitting down in person. I 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: know I've I've told everybody on our show. I said 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: we've got to talk online. I've never met you in person. Uh, 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: and so this was something I was really looking forward 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: to because I just watched on TV. Like what is today? Uh, today, Thursday. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: Today's Thursday, like four days ago. But your life has 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: been a whirlwind. Yes, quite a bit has changed since then. 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Is Are you holding up? Doing the best I can, honestly, Um, 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: still feels like I haven't had time to process everything, 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: but just trying to hang in there for now. For 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: the fans out there listening, Um, because I guess I 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: don't even know. It's been a few years since I 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: was on the show. What has your last four days 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: look like? Like? What's your schedule meaning like? How where 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: have you been? Who Have you been talking to? What 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: have you done in the last four days to bring 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: you out to Las Vegas. Yeah, so obviously started in 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: l a Um, filmed after the final rose, went straight 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: to New York with Gabby, got to do a bunch 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: of interviews with her and went straight to Vegas and 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: here we are at the I heart Um and yeah, 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: so it's just been definitely a whirlwind and trying to 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: soak everything in and, in a way, just excited it's 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: over and being able to finally talk about it. Are 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: you excited this is all over? Um, I'm so blessed 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: and grateful for the opportunity, but I think for so 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: long I've kind of known the outcome and so the 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: fact that I'm finally able to just, you know, have 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: it out in the world the way it is, it 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: just is kind of a relief in a way. I 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I'M gonna try to phrase this question Um prop really. 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: If it doesn't come offul I might have to try again. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: But there's this unique thing in your story where you 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: have this finale kind of sitting in front of you. 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: You know what's happened in between the end of filming 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: and now the finale. You do the finale and it 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: is just wild. No matter what even if it all 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: works out perfectly. It's hard on everything. It's hard at 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: everybody involved. It's it's tiring. UH, there's a lot of 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: people asking you questions. Then, like you said, you flew 46 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: to New York City with Gabby, did press out there. 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Now you're sitting here. Yeah, in the meantime you've had 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: a real life experience that has hurt you, that has 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: confused you, that you aren't necessary probably having time to 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: process and sit on where some people after breakup, would 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: sit in their room, you know, their their house, and 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: cry and talk to friends and family and work through it. 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: You haven't had that opportunity and so, as a human, 54 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: how are you feeling now? Yeah, it's crazy. Um, obviously 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I haven't really had time to process since the world 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: has known, but I have had about a little over 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: a month, a month and a half, to really sit 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: down and and process everything. and Um, obviously going through 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: the breakup and then having to watch everything back and 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: then see him again. You know, normally when you do 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: go through a situation like this, you don't have to 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: sit down on a couch with them again, especially on 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: a day that you know you go through this entire process. 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Looking forward to the day where you get to tell 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: the world how I love you are and where you're 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: ring and to kind of go a month and a 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: half knowing what the world was going to see it 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: after the fun arose. It was difficult and definitely on 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the road to healing and looking forward to continuing that 70 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: after this. It's just a weird thing to say right 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: that I'm waiting for healing until after all of this. Yeah, 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's healthy or not. I can't say, 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: but are you do you feel like you're sitting in 74 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: a place of health right now? Are you still doing 75 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: in a place of like survival, like just trying to 76 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: be where you're at and do what you need to 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: do in the moment? Yeah, it's difficult because I definitely 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: have had truly a month where all I had to 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: do was sit there and heal and talk about it 80 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: with people and and so that was really nice. But 81 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: now it is in a situation where the world does 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: get to weigh in on this and they do get 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: to have an opinion on who's right and who's wrong 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: and what's left out and what's his side, and so, 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, in a normal like situation you would just 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, be healing with your friends and family, and 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: and now to have everyone weighing in and telling you 88 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: things like you know, you deserve this, or whatever they 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: might say. It definitely effects healing a little bit. But doing, 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, the best I can to get like move 91 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: forward with my life and heal from this. Well, I 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: have to be one of those people and it feels 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: weird for me to sit with you today and the 94 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: first time we've ever met in person and you're this 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: six months of your life, let up to what happened 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: on Monday night, and now every press and every interview 97 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: you do is going to ask you about a breakup, 98 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: and I don't like that. I don't want to do this. 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of what I have to do, but it 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: feels weird for me and I know that's not fun 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: for you. I'm assuming is that everybody's like rebringing up 102 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: something that probably hurt. Uh, well, definitely. I mean, it's 103 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: not just a breakup, it's a breakup that I didn't 104 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: want to happen. You know, when someone cheats, you don't 105 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: necessarily it's not a decision you're coming to mutually. So 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: how did it feel when he told you? I mean 107 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: the first thing is is just obviously shock. It feels 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: like almost like the stages of grief, where you go 109 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: through just no emotion and then anger and then sadness 110 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: and it just keeps repeating itself and kind of now 111 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: just at a place of acceptance of it and really 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: just have to accept the fact that I'll never have 113 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the full story and never really know like truly the 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, answer to everything. Well, you mentioned Um and 115 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: prep for this I was on social media and a 116 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of people are saying, Hey, we don't know the 117 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: whole story here, right, and and yet people are still 118 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: choosing sides. We're gonna talk about that in a bit. UH, 119 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: because you don't know the full story. Obviously the public 120 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they know the whole story. was there 121 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: anything that happened on Monday night that you wish was 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: said or brought to light that you didn't have the 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: opportunity to bring to light because of the circumstances, because 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: of the speed at which this interview, you know on television, 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: existed like seven minutes of you guys sitting on a couch? 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Is there anything out there that you would like to 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: say just to bring clarity to the situation. Yeah, I 128 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: was really hoping. I mean obviously we had a superheated 129 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: argument Um filmed way before I sat down on the 130 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: couch with him and I was really hoping. My hope 131 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: was that we could sit on this couch and just, 132 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, beasts of light. Do wish the best for him. 133 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit there and make him feel 134 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: bad or bullied or whatever. Obviously that transpired was out 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: of my control for the most part, but yeah, I 136 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: just I really was hoping we could sit down and 137 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: kind of get to that place where we're, you know, 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: just wishing each other the best, and unfortunately that just 139 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So it is sad, I think, for both 140 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: parts that were just kind of in this place where 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: it didn't end well in person or in our initial argument. 142 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: But there's really nothing, nothing, I can do. No, I 143 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: mean it's it's a weird environment to be bringing this 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: out so on national television. So will you at some 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: point reach back out for healing, or do you feel 146 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: like this is now done and you're going to just 147 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: move forward and he can move forward and what happened 148 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: on Monday night is enough for you guys just to 149 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: put you know, close the book and move forward. Yeah, 150 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: I think that is a huge thing about healing, and 151 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: especially when you're in a position I'm in of just 152 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: wanting all the answers and wanting to know exactly what 153 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: happened and what did you say and you know all 154 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: those things. But I think I've come to like accept everything, 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: with having at least a month to kind of heal 156 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: and just realizing I'll never get those answers and just 157 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: not knowing is what I have to kind of live 158 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: with and I do wish him all the best. I 159 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: don't think. I really do think this is like the 160 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: end of our our chapter what everyone saw on Tuesday. 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: You know, I had a relationship from the show, uh, 162 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: and we've both moved forward now. Uh. She has a 163 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: second kid on the way. Very excited for her, uh, 164 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: and I'm married, very happy. Thank you, uh. But there 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: was a season to go back. When we broke up, 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: we did announce it publicly. This was not on national television. Um, 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: we broke up because we just weren't fitting. Like our 168 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: lives are not aligning. It was very clear that, like 169 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't a healthy relationship for us any longer. But 170 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: what happened then? Is People chose sides, team Ben, team Lauren, 171 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: and you still care about that person a right, you 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: will have a piece and a piece of your heart 173 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: that is with them, and it got really hard for me. 174 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: That was probably the hardest part because there was two 175 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: sides who, at one I was like, how can you 176 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: be team Lauren, like, look at me hurting over here, 177 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: and then the second was how could you be team Ben? 178 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: She's hurting over there. Uh. And so finally in our relationship, 179 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: and I've never said this publicly, uh is too a 180 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: year and a half, but we did finally talk not 181 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: long Uh. But there was like a closure to it, 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: like hey, I'm just wishing you the best, like I 183 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: know this got ugly for circumstances we couldn't control. I 184 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: know there was like a protection that we were both 185 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: having about ourselves. Uh, and it closed the book for us. 186 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I felt like it really helped me finally move on 187 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: and move forward. I don't know, you know on her 188 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: side if it did, but I didn't realize I needed 189 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: that for a while. And so I'm just telling you 190 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: when this storm and this tornado of stuff finally ends, 191 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: there might be some healthiness and just saying hey, I'm 192 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: sorry for whatever happened during this. Let's move on, but 193 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: I still care about you. Yeah, no, absolutely, and that's 194 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: another thing too, is I really don't ever want it 195 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: to be portrayed as if I'm saying I'm not at 196 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: fault because we were having difficulties, and I mean I'm 197 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to blame for a lot of things and I'm not perfect. 198 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't a perfect partner and I really do wish 199 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: him all the best and his own healing and I 200 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: do hope, yeah, eventually we can get to that point 201 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: where we just are completely on a civil good page. 202 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: I guess it feels good when you see the other 203 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: person thriving and you know that you're doing really good yourself. 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: If it does feel good. One of the things that 205 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about, because I felt like 206 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: it was a little fuzzy during the show, was therapy 207 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: was brought up a lot, which is very important, something 208 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: that I did from the moment filming stopped. UH, still 209 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: to this day it's been one of the best things 210 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: in my life to implement and to take seriously. Um, 211 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: but there was these hints at the reason why therapy 212 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: was necessary, kind of during Monday night show. For people 213 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: out there listening who have never been on the show 214 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: and have never been a lead, can you give some 215 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: clarity into what you were experiencing, starting with night one filming, 216 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: because I got to talk to you the day of 217 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: night one airing. Your you and Gabby were so excited 218 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: and I almost at that moment I went to every 219 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: year and I never do is be like hey, this 220 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: is awesome, this is gonna say period. This is not 221 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna be easy, and if you're with somebody, just know 222 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: that it's really hard on them to understand how you 223 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: could have feelings for multiple people and be kissing people 224 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: up until the two days before your engagement and in 225 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: your mind you've made sense of it, but in their 226 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: mind they don't get it. And so can you give 227 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: a little clarity to the behind the scenes, when we 228 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: weren't getting interviews with you and you weren't coming on 229 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: the podcast, to what like watching the season back I 230 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: felt like for you personally and how easy or heard 231 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: it was? Yeah, I think it's hard for everyone. Um, 232 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: fortunately for me I did have Gabby with me and 233 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: we were able to experience this together and be able 234 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: to lean on each other as people who were going 235 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: through watching our relationship while we're trying to like nurture 236 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: and grow this new, you know, engagement as well. So 237 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: it was great to have her, but I think you 238 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: really don't understand the scrutiny you're opening yourself up to 239 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: when you originally go on the show. And I think 240 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: I saw one of the other Bachelors Post about this recently. 241 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: I think it was desiree, and she was like, you know, 242 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: when you go on the show, you make these decisions 243 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: like for yourself and you expect everyone to see what 244 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: you're doing and understand it, but that's just not the case. 245 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: You really do have to watch yourself make mistakes and, 246 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, listen to what everyone to say about that. 247 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: And I was not perfect, as making so many mistakes, 248 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: and I definitely was able to see that and learn 249 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: from it. But it doesn't um necessarily take away from 250 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the fact that you are constantly being bombarded with, you know, 251 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: all these D M s and messages and things that 252 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: are coming straight to you and and it does affect 253 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: you in your relationship and and it's difficult because you're 254 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: going through all this while trying to like grow this 255 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: new relationship, and I think on both ends. There just 256 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: is a level of difficulty and having to get past that. 257 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: It's hard. And then, like you kind of mentioned at 258 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: end that you're literally coming. You did, you were on 259 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: the Bachelorum, but you know, you kind of get hidden 260 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: on the bachelor amongst a bunch of people. You have 261 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: a couple of big storylines that come out, but you 262 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: usually aren't getting a lot of focus. Then you become 263 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: the bachelor at and your less than a year from 264 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: just for you being a very normal human operating in 265 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: this world and trying to figure it out and just 266 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: make the right decisions day to day, and then the 267 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: scrutiny and the praise comes. So talk to me a 268 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: little bit about what that felt like to you, or 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: what it still feels like to you, to have a 270 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: lot of praise and a lot of support but then 271 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: an also criticism and scrutiny that you're trying to figure out, Um, 272 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: just based on this dating show. Yeah, I mean I 273 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: think it just comes with the territory. Like you said, 274 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you are, of course getting praise. Um Me and Gaby 275 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: are in this new environment, this new bachelorrette system, and 276 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: just kind of Um, everyone's responding to it different and 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: it was difficult, but for us to have each other 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: that was honestly like the most helpful thing, because it 279 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: wasn't like across the board, Um, like people taking sides. 280 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: It was just, you know, like people didn't want us, 281 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: I guess, pitted against each other, but they all, you know, 282 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: would constantly do that. So to have her, it's difficult, 283 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: but it was just the most like incredible blessing I 284 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: could have ever asked for. Yeah, I think you know 285 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: I've Um, I just over here with Jason Tardikum, who uh, 286 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, Caitlin Bristow Uh was was talking to him 287 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and you know they've there's been, especially from pass Bachelorret's 288 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: criticism on the two bachelor at format. Um. I've always said, 289 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: in a place where I just don't know, I said 290 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: it would have been awesome to have a friend going 291 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: through this with me, right to take some of the 292 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: load off, to also be able to confide in UH. 293 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: And so I want to know from you. I'm interested 294 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: as this, as a two bachelorte thing, ever been a 295 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: problem for you? Not that Gabby was your second Bachelorrett, 296 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: but just like the idea that you were sharing this 297 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: moment with somebody, that this couldn't just be your season 298 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: or just gonna be gabby season. Has It ever been 299 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: an issue for you? No, I mean honestly, like I 300 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: will say this till the day I die, I would 301 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: never want to do this without Gabby. I would never 302 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: do it without her. Like, looking back, there's nothing I 303 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: would have changed. Um, my outcome didn't work out, but 304 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: that is really nothing thing to do with the fact 305 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: that Gabby was standing next to me. If anything, I'm 306 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: just so blessed to have had her going through everything 307 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: that happened. And I mean I'm not here with a 308 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: man now, but I'll have her for life. So I 309 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: mean it was never something that I ever felt like 310 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: I resented or that I didn't want. Ever. Well then, 311 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: you have a lot to teach me, because there's something 312 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: very unique here. You guys are able to stay friends 313 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: through this process, with obvious opportunities to compare yourself against her, 314 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: for her to compare herself against you, uh to share 315 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: these moments with somebody else, um to date, at the beginning, 316 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: especially the same people, but yet you stayed friends, you 317 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: stayed supportive of each other. And so for everybody out 318 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: there who was saying that could never that's never gonna happen. 319 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: They'RE gonna end up hating each other, they're gonna end 320 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: up being their worst enemies. What did you two do? 321 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Because it might just be your personalities, but I think 322 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: there's probably if you could pull some like tangible things 323 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: that you had to really learn and do and be 324 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: cautious of through the process to make sure that that 325 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: friendship stayed alive, and I think it would be helpful 326 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: for all of us. How are we going to be 327 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: friends with people that were competitors against? I mean, I 328 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: think it's so easy for people just to want to 329 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: go in there and be competitive and act like, you know, 330 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: this person is against me, but when you can go 331 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: in with someone that's on your side, it makes it 332 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: so much easier. And going in it was just this 333 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: unspoken rule with her and I that we would always 334 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: put each other first and that, no matter what, we 335 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: were making decisions together and we were doing this together. 336 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: And I think one of the episodes we watched together 337 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: was everything that happened with Logan that day where he 338 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: came and visited me and they visited her and we 339 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: both spoke and I just think that episode was like 340 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: showing the entire world like truly that we always put 341 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: each other first. The first thing she asked was like, 342 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: have you spoken Rachel? How is she and for us 343 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: to have this mature, adult discussion about it and really 344 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: just put each other's needs and wants before these men. 345 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm so proud of her. I 346 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: think like everything works out the way it's supposed to 347 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: and I'm just so glad that I've been able to 348 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: share this with her. It's it is impressive and it 349 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: is something I admire and I and because I've gotten 350 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: to be a part of the behind the scenes of 351 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: the show. UH, and I don't have a lot to 352 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: hide and say there's some tricks to the trade that 353 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes that people don't know about. I 354 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: just find it really impressive that you guys are able 355 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: to be there for each other as well and as 356 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: often and as consistent as you two have been and 357 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: will be, I think, for me, beyond all else, that's 358 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: one of my biggest takeaways from this season, was we 359 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: got to watch two friends stand beside each other through 360 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: a really confusing and weird experience. Yeah, I think it 361 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: can be so isolating. Like Osiid, you went through it 362 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: on your own and leaving and to have someone who 363 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: knew exactly how it felt at the time and how 364 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: it feels now, and it's just it really is something 365 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: that I will truly, like, like, forever grateful for. I'm 366 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: hoping at some point, Rachel, the tides turn for you 367 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: and people start celebrating that, that we stopped asking about 368 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: the pain and the heartbreak and the chaos and the 369 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: drama and we can start at some point celebrating the support. And, 370 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: speaking of support, one thing that I didn't know about 371 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: until Michelle's seas him, because I think Michelle is the 372 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: first to tell me about it. You have this text 373 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: thread with all the BACHELORETTES. We don't do that as bachelor's. 374 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: I think we all hate each other. I don't think 375 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: we're all competitive against each other. We're all trying to 376 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: one up each other. I wish we would have started it, 377 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: but I'm good friends with Trista, who was the first Bachelorette. 378 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: She lives there in Colorado with me. She's a part 379 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: of the IHEART family with us Um and she was 380 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: telling me about it too last time we were together. 381 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Tell us what goes on in that thread? What you've 382 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: experienced recently with that thread and just like I just 383 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: think it's the coolest thing that you have the support 384 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: system where three of those women sat there beside you 385 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: on stage and said, no matter what, we're friends of yours. Yeah, no, 386 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: it is truly. It is such a sisterhood, I think 387 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: the Bachelor family in general, but to be a part 388 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: of this amazing legacy of women who truly have just 389 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: changed the game in so many ways, each on their 390 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: own season. Um, to just welcome us with open arms, 391 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Gabby and I um we are in the group chat 392 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and they all are just so loving and I think 393 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: each of them can provide a different outlook and a 394 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: different viewpoint no matter what you're going through. So to 395 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: have everyone you know in the beginning when you're happy 396 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: and and supporting you, and then at the end women 397 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: who have been through the same situation or something similar, 398 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: it's really nice to have all of them there. And 399 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: I had Um, Caitlin, Michelle and Becca there as well 400 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: during my ending and to have them behind me and 401 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: to be able to see them and look at them 402 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: as it's all happening. It was. It was really nice. Yeah, 403 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's so cool. What is 404 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: some what is some of the advice that you've received 405 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: personally from them here in the last two weeks? Yeah, 406 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: I think everyone has really been through just so much 407 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: in their own different ways, and to really be able 408 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: to lean on them and rely on them in a 409 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: time where I was so confused and just worried about 410 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: things that we're going to happen once it was all over, 411 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: to just have their advice on how to move forward 412 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: and how to continue to grow from this experience. It's 413 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: just been really awesome to have them all. That's that's 414 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: super incredible. It's something to uh, to also sell. Yeah, 415 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: we'll include that. It was supportive, but also talking about 416 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've been able to know most of them 417 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: in the last few years. I'm sure there's some weird 418 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: stuff being said on Um that should never go public, 419 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: but they're all great and very big personalities. You have 420 00:21:53,800 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: a lot of big personalities all together. A couple of 421 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: last things about you before we talk about Gabby. Yes, uh, 422 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, I I told you when we sat down 423 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: and said Hey, I don't want to ask anything that 424 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: everybody else has asked about, and you said everybody's asking 425 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: about even and I was like, okay, I'm gonna ask 426 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: one question about it. What do you want to say 427 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: about even what in the world happened, I guess, that 428 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: night and what exists today? Yeah, I know, it was 429 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: obviously a very big surprise for me, I think for everyone. Um, 430 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: not something that I thought was going to happen. Um, 431 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: I was able to talk to him after as well. Um, 432 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: I think the aiven situation kind of put Tino in 433 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: a bit of an awkward position as well. Um, but 434 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: I just I do want to reiterate that no one 435 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: wanted that to be a bullying situation or a situation 436 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: where one person is being put down. Um, and it 437 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: was not aven's Um intention for any of that to 438 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: happen as well. But he has just been someone that's 439 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: always been so supportive of me, even throughout the season. 440 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: He's just someone I always looked too in hard times. 441 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: So to have him kind of in a really hard time, 442 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: it was nice to see him and catch up with 443 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: him after. Yeah, you know, I think that's one thing. 444 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm not one to blame the show for everything. Uh, 445 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's uh necessarily always appropriate, because 446 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: I don't think it's always true, but that was a 447 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: situation that put you in a really weird space. You know, 448 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: the criticism kind of came when I was looking at 449 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: like how could Rachel do this? I was like, well, 450 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't think she did. You know she supposed to say, 451 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: and I was also trying to get off the stage 452 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: as soon as I could. I mean I think everyone 453 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: saw that on my face. So, yeah, it was just 454 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: very much an awkward situation and looking back, I really 455 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to feel like they were being bullied 456 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: or put in a bad place, like you said. That's 457 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: like the one thing I really do want to get 458 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: across it. That was never my intention or evens yeah, well, 459 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: it definitely got the reaction from the public. It was 460 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: definitely awkward to watch, which typically is good television. Um, 461 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: but it was. It was not your decision, is what 462 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: we can say. It is not your decision. All right, okay, 463 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: so onto Zach. Zack is the next bachelor. Um, as 464 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: soon as you're done with your season. I know how 465 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: this goes. They announced the next person and often running 466 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: they are. So what can we expect, you think, with 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: Zack being the next bachelor? Oh, I'm so excited for Zach. 468 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: He truly he's such a good guy. I know he's 469 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: going to do amazing and I just am looking forward 470 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: to finally watching a season and not participating. So, yeah, 471 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: good luck to him. It's definitely, as we know, really 472 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: hard being in the position of of being a lead 473 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: and hopefully he can just follow his heart and continue 474 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: to be true to himself throughout it. Yeah, he uh. 475 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: The biggest criticism he's getting right now is the same 476 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: one I got. Your boring. You don't really know him. Yeah, 477 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was my biggest criticism. Is He boring? Uh, 478 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: and will he have a boring season? I don't think so. 479 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Zach is really a huge goofball. He has the dad 480 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: jokes and I think people are going to be able 481 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: to see a lot more of his personality. With this season, 482 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: of course, having two Bachelorettes, I feel like there is, Um, 483 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, less time. There's two stories happening, so people 484 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: didn't really get to see a lot of anyone as 485 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: much as they normally do. So I'm looking forward to 486 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: people being able to see him in his personality. One 487 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: of my wife's closest friends is on this season. Okay, 488 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: her name is Bailey. She was there on night one. Oh, 489 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, so she came out. She was the 490 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: one that said Hi. You know, in the morning daily 491 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: think of Bailey and then he messed up and he's 492 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: like more than Balan when they asked for names and 493 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: it's nerve for hacking the first time you're on that stage. 494 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: I remember when I first got to a Fr just 495 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: shaking in the MS stage. So I night one, as 496 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: hard as it is with an audience, you can give 497 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: it a little grace. It's not easy, but I'm very 498 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: excited to watch Bailey. She's a very sweet girl who 499 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: is very excited about the opportunity who we've been able 500 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: to talk to and and so I'm going to be 501 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: tuning in not only to see Zach, look out for Bailey, 502 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: and look out for Bailey. She's uh, I think she 503 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: has some potential. Excited to see there a while. Um, 504 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: we're all celebrating Bailey. Okay, uh. Now Onto Gabby. Gabby 505 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: is with Eric. I'm assuming still four days. Good. That's uh, 506 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: that's great. What what do we see in their relationship 507 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that maybe we haven't been able to 508 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: see on television with the two of them? Yeah, I 509 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: think Gabby along with me. I mean we truly are 510 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: just in that space right now where we're still really 511 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: getting to know you know well, at the time I 512 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: was the UM, the man I picked, and I'm excited 513 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: to see, you know, their future moving forward. I think they, 514 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, of course, have their struggles and conversations as well, but, um, yeah, 515 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: excited to see what's to come for Gabby and Eric. 516 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited to sit down with them. There's a lot 517 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: to talk about. Obviously, Eric's Um, Eric's story through the 518 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: into the season wasn't easy either. There was controversy, Um, 519 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: with the black face. There's controversy with those texts. What 520 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: do you think they did to navigate those together? Those 521 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: really tough conversation and we didn't get to see all that. 522 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: I wish we would have on the finale. I think 523 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: it was important, um, really important, to bring those stuff up. 524 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: We didn't see it and I'm not gonna put you 525 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: in the places ask why we didn't, because I don't 526 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: think you have the answers, um to why that wasn't 527 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: shown or talked about. But how do you think they 528 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: navigated the difficulties? UH, in a way that brought them 529 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: to the finale happy and healthy as a couple. Yeah, 530 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I can't speak on, you know, the 531 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: show or why certain things got cut, but I can 532 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: speak on Um, Gabby, and I do know that she 533 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: was really walking into a f r wanting to have 534 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: that discussion and wanting to bring that to light, because 535 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times things do get pushed 536 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: under the rug and she is more than aware of, 537 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that she does want this to 538 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: have attention and we do need to talk about it, 539 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: because it is something that continues to happen in and 540 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: when it continues to happen, you do have to continue 541 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: to learn and have those hard conversations and I think 542 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: Eric and Gabby put in a lot of work on 543 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: their relationship continuing to do so and learn and really 544 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: have to talk to each other and teach each other 545 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: and keep that open line of communication. Um. As for 546 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: the text messages, I do know that he told her 547 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: as soon as he could, so it was something that 548 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: was brought to light to the public Um, whereas Gabby 549 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of has had so much time to process that 550 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: and talk with him about it. So, yeah, two very 551 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: different situations. Um. Yeah, it's difficult for sure that they 552 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: both didn't really get to have as much light as 553 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: they should have. Yeah, and it's a relationship. I guess. 554 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: If you can make it through these hard conversations, these 555 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: weird times, I would have to believe it makes you stronger, 556 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: which is good and something we want for them. Definitely 557 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: all right. Final question for you here. It's an easy one, Rachel. 558 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: You are moving on, moving forward. Hopefully, this weekend you 559 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: get some time to sleep, you get some piece and quiet, 560 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: you get some love, you get some great conversation, you 561 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: have a few drinks, you hang out. Definitely a couple 562 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: of drinks. You deserve it. What can we I guess 563 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: the best way to phrase this would be what are 564 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: you looking forward to now with this next chapter of 565 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: your life, no longer being on the show as the Bachelorette, 566 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: leaving this behind you, stepping forward? If we could put 567 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: our stake in the ground and say tonight is the 568 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: night that you move forward in a healthy and happy way, 569 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: what does that look like for you? I think again, 570 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for everything that I have gained through 571 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: this franchise, being able to be the bachelor. I've learned 572 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: so much about myself and I'm so excited to continue 573 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: to take these lessons that I learned watching myself back 574 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: and making myself into a better person. Hopefully, you know, 575 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: looking forward to dating in the future. Um, I'm very 576 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: excited to go back to flying. Took a little bit 577 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: of a break from that to go film the show, 578 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm just really excited to move on and 579 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: be able to start doing the things I want to do. Rachel, 580 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: thanks for saying with US tonight. Thanks for having me, Ben, 581 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: I have a blast this weekend. 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