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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hi, I'm Happy Friday, I'm Tracy

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Speaker 1: be Wilson, and I'm Holly Frying. One of the things

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Speaker 1: we did this week was answer listener questions for a

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Speaker 1: whole episode, which I imagined in my head was going

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Speaker 1: to take about forty five minutes, is based on how

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Speaker 1: many questions I pulled together. The final length is of

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Speaker 1: course to be determined at this point because it hasn't

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Speaker 1: been edited, but the file on my recorders, like an

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Speaker 1: hour and twenty minutes or something, is much longer than

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Speaker 1: I was thinking in my head. Yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're better at doing that live and managing the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the situation live, we also have a moment where it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we are going to answer the questions of everyone who's

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Speaker 1: still in line, but please no one else join the line,

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Speaker 1: because like we're going to run out of time, right um,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of times that's not like, that's not

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Speaker 1: really our personal preference. Like we we have agreements with

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Speaker 1: the venue about what time we're going to be done, right,

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Speaker 1: and normally if we can like sometimes they will say,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to be cleared out of the

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Speaker 1: stage in auditorium area by this time, but you can

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Speaker 1: hang in the lobby for longer, and so we'll do

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Speaker 1: meet and greet for as long as people are there, Like,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to turn anybody away, and people can

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Speaker 1: always like ask us questions in the course of that. Um,

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Speaker 1: we got to kind of keep it moving. As Stracy said,

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Speaker 1: there are venues. I always feel bad when like the

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Speaker 1: venue staff is kind of standing there with their keys

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Speaker 1: in their hand, being like, yeah, hey, it's cool that

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Speaker 1: it's cool that you like to talk to people. But

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Speaker 1: chop chop um. They've all been incredibly gracious and kind.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem that way, but

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Speaker 1: I am always very cognizant of when the staff is

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Speaker 1: ready to go home, right right, Um yeah, we way

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Speaker 1: earlier in the year or even at the end of

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Speaker 1: last year, we had sort of talked, okay, uh are

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Speaker 1: we going to try to tour again? When are we

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Speaker 1: gonna start trying to talk about touring, And we had

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Speaker 1: initially planned to start talking about touring like in the spring,

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Speaker 1: and then when the pandemic really became international, like immediate news,

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Speaker 1: like it became clear that we were not going to

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Speaker 1: have a conversation about touring right then. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: as that has progressed, I mean, we're recording this on June, um,

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Speaker 1: and it just seems incredibly unlikely that we will will

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Speaker 1: be booking live shows, both because like the travel involved

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Speaker 1: Like you and I had had a conversation about some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that we had on the calendar that

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Speaker 1: has since been like been canceled, and we were like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to not do a Q and A

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Speaker 1: for this, Like we can imagine each of us getting

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Speaker 1: there maybe relatively safely. Like one of the things that

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Speaker 1: is like less risky than being an enclosed space with people. Um,

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Speaker 1: but like we would not have been able to have

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Speaker 1: to individually talk to you face to face, like that

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Speaker 1: just would not have been feasible. Yeah, yeah, um, and

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Speaker 1: I actually have missed, Like, oh, I missed like the

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Speaker 1: chance to travel around and meet people and and get

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Speaker 1: to chat with listeners. It's always really really fun and

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Speaker 1: incredibly fulfilling. Um. So, I mean I'm bummed that we

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Speaker 1: don't get to do what I'm glad you know you

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Speaker 1: came up with this idea for sort of a way

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Speaker 1: Still like that's been really cool to come into you

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Speaker 1: and answering questions and doing meet and greets. Um. I

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Speaker 1: don't love the part where usually we get back to

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Speaker 1: Are are behind the scenes of our Q and A

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Speaker 1: talks about the Irish Slaves, which is something I have

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Speaker 1: Like that's it's just it's not it's not the same

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Speaker 1: had very, very fabulous conversations with, and that was not

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Speaker 1: just this one instance. But it was just so odd

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Speaker 1: at that point, so it was if I start this fight,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens next. Well, And like, being

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Speaker 1: phrases practiced if a stranger says something racist in my presence,

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Speaker 1: like some things that I am prepared to say. But like,

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Speaker 1: for example, when we were in Paris, there was an

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