1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Unaddictioned the podcast. My name is doctor Zinga Harrison. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm a board certified psychiatrist with a specialty in addiction 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: medicine and co founder and chief medical officer of Eleanor Health. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: On this podcast, we explore the paths that can lead 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to addiction and the infinite paths that can lead to recovery. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Our guests are sharing their own experiences, the tools that 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: have helped them along the way, and the formulas that 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: allow them to thrive in recovery one day at a time. 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: Marty Walsh served as the Mayor of Boston from twenty 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty twenty one and United States Secretary of 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: Labor in the Cabinet of President Joe Biden from twenty 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty twenty three. He has been sober 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety five and was the first ever Cabinet 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: member to openly be in a twelve step program for 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: recovery from addiction. Currently the executive director of the National 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: Hockey League Players Association. In our conversation, Marty emphasizes the 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: importance of connection and his commitment to paying forward the 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: legacy of AA and the twelve Steps to this day, 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: he will share his cell phone number freely in a 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: way that politicians usually don't, towards his aim to never 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: miss the call of a person who is reaching out 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: for help. Awesome, awesome, So thank you. How should I 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: refer to you with the proper amount of respect on 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: this podcast? 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: Mary Mighty, Marty Marty, I'm. 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: From Indiana, So Marty, and yeah, so nice to meet you. 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: I was down in Indiana and a doctor gave me 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: the book Canary and the coal Mine. Yeah, I'm believing 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: the doctors on the plane, on the on the bus 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: with us, and I didn't realize that he was we 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: so you give me, give me, give me a book. 32 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: And I started reading about it and he's reading about 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: the Heroin epidemic and the AIDS outbreak, HIV break, and 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it the book and then you know, 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: I read obviously my pencils the government at the time, 36 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: and he eventually led a small needle exchange program in 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: but people coming from Chicago into Indiana with the needle 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: exchange program, and it was really it's an incredible book, 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: just incredible time that people were dying because of addiction 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: due to oxy cotton and Purdue FAMA, and you know, 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: people were resisting need exchange programs to keep people alive, 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: which was scary. 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sadly the right verb there is not even 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: was like, is the same resist still going on today. 45 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: You know, which is incredible to me. It's just it's crazy. 46 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. So welcome to the Unaddictioned Podcast. Marty Walsh, 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm in saying. I'm an addiction psychiatrist, and I've written 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: this book called Unaddiction, and this podcast is accompanying the book. 50 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you we made up the word on 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: addiction to reflect what we want people to unlearn that 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: they think they know about addiction, the stigma we want 53 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: to undo, and the conversations we want to uncover as 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: we try to get our arms around this addiction epidemic. 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: And so talking to people who have had their own 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: recovery journey really with the goal of learning and for 57 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: the listeners to hear the infinite faces of recovery so 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: that they can get ideas about either their own recovery 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: or people that they care about, care about, or systemic levels. 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: So that's what we're doing here on this podcast. 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's great, thank you for doing this is anytime 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: we have conversations around around addiction, substant use, disorder, stigma, 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, all of that is so important because people 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: there's so many people out in the world that just 65 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: won't take that first step because of anything. And it 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: really is something that I've come across in my life 67 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: in being recovery for so long that you know, it's 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: just it's an amazing way of life. But you have 69 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: to get you have to get in the front door first. 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 71 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: Well, actually, not even find door. I just take the first. 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: Step, just the first step exactly. It might even get 73 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: you not all the way in the door, but every 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: step matters. 75 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: Right, it does. 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: It's okay as long as you take that step and 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: have a safe space to do that. I think it's 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: really important. But thank you for having me today. 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much for coming. Okay, So I 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: always ask my first question, like a true psychiatrist, which is, 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: can you tell our listeners who is Marty Walsh and 82 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: how did you come to be who you are today? 83 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Marty Walsh is myself. I'll give you my career first 84 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: and then I'll go back. I well, I grew up 85 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: in Boston and Dorchester, and the son of Irish immigrants. 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: They came from my island. My father came out in 87 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six from Ireland. My mother came out nineteen 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: fifty nine. They grew up very, very poor in Ireland, 89 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: and they came to America separately and met here to 90 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: really send money back home and support their family. 91 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: So they got married. 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: They bought grew up three They bought a three family 93 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: in Dorchester. That's a three decker house. A lot of 94 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: people don't know what that is. It's three apartments on 95 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: top of each other. You know, urban areas have it, 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: you know. I went to grammar school in Boston, Dorchester, 97 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: Saint Margaret's, went to a high school Movement Prep. Dropped 98 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: out of high school, dropped out of college. I went 99 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: to college for a year, dropped out of college and 100 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: went to work construction. My father was a union laborer. 101 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: I worked in the field for a few years, and 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: then I went to work for the labour's Health and 103 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: Welfare Fund. And then after that I ran for office, 104 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: got elected to the House of Representatives in Massachusetts. I 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: started sixteen years in the House. I ran from Ara Boston. 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: I got elected, served seven years as mayor in junior 107 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, President by and asked me to 108 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: call me up to ask me to be as Labor 109 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: Secretary for the United States of America. And I did 110 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: that for two years as in the President's Cabinet and 111 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: then I now I run the National Hockey Leagues Players Association. 112 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm the executive director. 113 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: H I left the peace out there, uh intentionally And 114 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: I just mentioned that that I dropped out of college 115 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: and went to work construction. And in that period of 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: my life, I was partying and having a lot of fun. 117 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: Drinking drugs is not part of my story. To the 118 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: point where my drinking went from being fun to not 119 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: being fun anymore, uh, to to blackouts and doing things 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: I thought I would never do, and just just completely 121 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: took my inside over and on the outside, the perception 122 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: was I'm active in the community, I was going to 123 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: run for office some day, and and and what what 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: what really happens? I found myself going to detox for alcoholism. 125 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: And that day I went to Dtox for alcoholism was 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 2: April thirtieth, nineteen ninety five. That was when I actually 127 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: went down to detox. I thought my life was completely over. 128 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: At that point, you know I can't hang at the 129 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: bar anymore. I can't hang with these people I used 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: to hang with. How am I going to run for office? 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: How is this going to happen? How is not going 132 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: to happen? 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: And when I went into Detox, the very first night 134 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: I was there, I went there to get the heat off. 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: I really didn't go there to get sober. I want 136 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: there to get the heat off. And my first night 137 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: in there, the counselor suggested a couple things to me. 138 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: One is listen in an AA meeting came in that night. 139 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 2: I had gone to one AA meeting in my life. 140 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: I got there at five minutes late, and I left 141 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: at the break, and I listened to I heard the speaker, 142 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: but I didn't really hear the speaker talk about their 143 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: journeys in recovery. But this night a speaker spoke. I'm 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: not sure what he said. I don't remember what he said. 145 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: It was a long time ago, but he I got hope. 146 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: And then the council suggests I get on my knees 147 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: and ask a higher power grade than myself to help me. 148 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: And I went in and I had a conversation with 149 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: my God. And it was the first time that I 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: remember having a real honest conversation. And anyway, long story short, 151 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: I was there for a week, I got out, I 152 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: joined AA, got a sponsor, I got active with my group, 153 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: and my life just kind of took off in a 154 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: very positive manner. That's when the opportunity for Rep came 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: and I was able to run for office and win. 156 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: If I lost, it would have been okay too. And 157 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: so a lot of things. Everything I have in my 158 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: life is due to my recovery, and it's given me 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: amazing opportunities and amazing experiences over the years. But what's 160 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: really important to me is to give it away. So 161 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: I try to get my recovery way to other people. 162 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: What that means is is be there somebody needs help, 163 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: try and listen to them, and try and help them 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: and guide them. You can't force people into recovery. You 165 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: can't force people to start taking drugs or stop drinking 166 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: alcohol or deal with mental health. But what you can 167 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: do is create a space for them. And that was 168 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: a pretty public figure. So very early on I talked. 169 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: I served with another state Rep who was very public 170 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: about it recovery. So I became public about my recovery 171 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: and I just think it's important because stigma is such 172 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: a big piece of getting into recovery as well. So 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: that's kind of in a nutshell, who I am, what 174 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: I'm all about now? I run the Hockey Player Association 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: and you know, still very active in the recovery community 176 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: and also offering support to players and their families if 177 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: they need it, or anyone for that matter. 178 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love your emphasis on giving it away, right, 179 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: giving your recovery way. I think that's what we're asking 180 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: everybody that comes on this podcast to do. For everybody 181 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: who's listening. I feel like that's part of you being 182 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: on here today is creating that opportunity, that sense of hope, 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: the idea that it really can be for you for 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: people who are listening. And so I love to click 185 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: on because you started in alcoholics anonymous, and anonymous is 186 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: like keeping it a secret, which is the exact opposite 187 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: of what you're doing. Right, So, can you talk to 188 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: us about how seeing that other representative who was out 189 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: loud and proud about recovery kind of created the opportunity 190 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: for you to get over the shame and stigma that 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: we put on substance use disorders and also be kind 192 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: of a beacon of light for people. 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 194 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just talk about the anonymous program with 195 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: the alcoholics. Anonymous Alcoholics Anonomous is a program that if 196 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: you go to a meeting, it's it's incumbent upon me 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: not to talk about who I see there. 198 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: So that's the that's the anonymous side of it. 199 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of like, you know, if 200 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: I if I see a person in the meeting, I 201 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: shouldn't be going out saying, oh my god, I saw 202 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: so and so at the a meeting or withsonomous. Yeah, 203 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: for safety and for their own until they're comfortable with 204 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: where they are. But for me personally, I you know, 205 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: in being a public figure, I just felt like it's 206 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: okay for people to know. I think at first I 207 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: did it to let people know our sober in case 208 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: that thought that were crept into. 209 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: My head of drinking again. 210 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: And I think that subconsciously I did it for that reason. 211 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: And then after a while I did it so many 212 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: people would come up to me who were struggling and 213 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: it comes to me privately and said need some help. 214 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: And that also to let people know that I was 215 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: there for them and to give it away even though 216 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: I was an elected official, state representative, Mayor of Boston, 217 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: Secretary of Labor, whatever that means. They just titles it. 218 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: Really it was about I'm just a human being that 219 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: struggle with alcohol and that I want to be able 220 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: to be there. Somebody needs help and they might reach 221 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: out to their elected official. Back in the day when 222 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: I sat in politics, you reach out your elected official 223 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: for everything, like you know, parking ticket, liketed official job, 224 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: like the official, you know, whatever it might be. That 225 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: was how it worked back then, and I think for 226 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: me personally, it was kind of letting people know that 227 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: if they needed help, they could reach out to me. 228 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: And what I found was other colleagues of mine elected 229 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: officials not per se that they had an issue with 230 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: the drugs or alcohol, but their constituents or the family 231 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: members did, and they would come to me looking for 232 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: guidance and how to help because it's very complicated to 233 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: navigate the system of addiction. I mean, you can call 234 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: it detox, but generally there's not a bed available at 235 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: particular moment, and it's kind of and if you love 236 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: when it that moment is ready for a bed, the 237 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: next morning, they might not be. So I really haven't 238 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: been anonymous about my my program, you know. 239 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 3: And it's it's you know, I don't. I don't know. 240 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: Maybe it's been intentional, I don't know, but uh, it's 241 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: it's I've been able to be able to give away 242 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: what I've received so many times over and the anonymous 243 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: side of it, like I don't I go to I 244 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: go to meetings, but I don't talk about who I 245 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: see in meetings. 246 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: Like that's something that that's on the individual. 247 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: A lot of people, you know, take the anonymous part 248 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: of the program and they keep anonymous, but they still 249 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: give it away, you know what I mean. They hook 250 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: up with other people are struggling, or they get phone 251 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: calls and they give it away, their their recovery away. 252 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: When I say giveaway, they try to help people. So 253 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: that that's that's what we have to do. But I 254 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: think for people that are sitting home listening to the 255 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: podcast and you're being anonymous in your house and your 256 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: drinking or drugging in your afraid or you don't want 257 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: to make that first step, I guarantee you it's a 258 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: hide's first step. But the journey of recovery is unbelievable 259 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: and it's better it's almost it's better than any high 260 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: you get taking drugs for alcohol, because your whole life 261 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: sets to fall back in place, no matter what you 262 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: lost or who you lost. All that stuff, the material 263 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: stuff's just material. But those relationships, those family relationships, you 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: get those back over time because people love you and 265 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: trust you. It's just that the alcohol and drugs have 266 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: put up a wall between you and your family, or 267 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: your friends, or you loved ones, or whoever you're worried about. 268 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that really important distinction you made, which 269 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: is that it really is like empowering the individual person 270 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: to tell their own story. Right, So the anonymous is 271 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that I'm not going to walk out of here and 272 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: tell somebody else's story, but I can walk out of 273 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: here and choose how I'm going to tell my story, 274 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: Use my story, live my story. I wanted to go back, Marty, 275 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: to something you said earlier when you were just giving 276 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: us your first thumbnail, and you were like, I was 277 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: partying and I was enjoying, and I was drinking until 278 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't enjoying when I was drinking. When you look 279 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: back kind of with your your life informed twenty twenty vision, 280 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: now can you share with our listeners. Early warning signs 281 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: that you can see now that you didn't see then 282 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: that maybe helps somebody intervene if they're at an earlier point. 283 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean ruining relationships. 284 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: You know, you know, you have a relationship with someone 285 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: and and their life is you know, you just content disappointment, 286 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: not showing out, blacking out, content disappointment, ruining holidays, driving, 287 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: you know, back when I was drinking, a lot of 288 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: driving going on. Back then uber and lyft wasn't the thing, 289 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: So people were blackouts or grayouts, and that means that 290 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: you're out having parties and you're drinking with your friends 291 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: and either blackout and don't remember the night, or you 292 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: gray out you remember, don't remember some of the night. 293 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: That's not healthy, you know, not being able to stop 294 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: a lot of people will say, you know, who are 295 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: alcoholic when you talk to the money, I can stop 296 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: after two bears. 297 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: I never have and never went out to a bar 298 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: and had two bears, never in my life. I just 299 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: couldn't have two bears. 300 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: It was six eight and twelve, drinking till whatever I 301 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: passed out, drinking till whatever I got thrown out, whatever 302 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: it might have been. And those are some of the 303 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: warning signs the public, the outside warning science. But really 304 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: what I find a lot of people get sober is 305 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: it's the inside feeling that that, oh I did it again, 306 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: feeling that that that emptiness in. 307 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Your heart, that that that that. 308 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, not knowing where to turn to, and we 309 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: all have it, and it's kind of like, how am 310 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: I going to get out of this? How am I 311 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: going to move my life forward? That's kind of all 312 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: of the things that that I experienced. And you know, 313 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: when I started drinking as as a teenager, it was fun, right, 314 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of losses, didn't have a lot 315 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: of things to lose at the beginning, and it's a 316 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: disease the progression and as my progress, so obviously my 317 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: life progress and I had a little more in my life, 318 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: so there was more opportunity to lose things, whether it's 319 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: relationships and things like that. So you know, it kind 320 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: of goes hand in hand. 321 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is so huge. I love that 322 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the internal signs actually show up before the external signs, 323 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: and I think a. 324 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: Lot of it. 325 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Don't tell anybody, that's right, You don't exactly what I 326 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: was about to say. 327 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: It's not you can talk to your friends that I 328 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: feel kind of depressed and like I'm not feeling right, 329 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: Like you're not going to share that, and it's poosh 330 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: in its drugs, and it's kind of like that that 331 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: that that's to tear away you're inner. 332 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: Being Yeap, exactly exactly what I was thinking about when 333 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: you said that. And so another thing you said, you 334 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: were like, I thought my life was going to be over. 335 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: And I hear this a lot the people that I 336 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: serve that are getting in recovery from addiction or actively 337 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: in addiction and kind of struggling with taking that first step. 338 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: And one of the things I'm so acutely aware of 339 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: is like it's all around right, Like alcohol is literally 340 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: in the very fabric of everything we do every single 341 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: day in this country. And so even when you get 342 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: to the point where you've taken the first step, say 343 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: your goal for yourself is complete abstinence, how do you 344 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: help people navigate the conversation around happy hour at work, 345 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: drinks for a business lunch, drinks at the family cookout? Right? Super? 346 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I think the thing is when you 347 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: think about putting down the drink and drug and you 348 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: go into a recovery, whether through a detox or through doctors, 349 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: or through whatever it might be, just abstinence, however you 350 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: decide to do it. It's about living a mindset of 351 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: the day at a time. You know, you don't, look 352 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: what am I going to do around Thanksgiving? 353 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god? 354 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: Christmas is coming then? And how do I not drink 355 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: at Christmas time? How do I not drink it? 356 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: New Year's even overwhelming? 357 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: I gotta drink. You know, you deal with the day 358 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: at a time. I mean, you try to put your 359 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: life in that day, and is that you can't do. 360 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: Yesterday's gone. There's nothing you can do by yesterday. Tomorrow 361 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: is not here yet. You don't know what's going to happen. 362 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: All you can do is focus on today. And you know, 363 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: when I first got sober, I said the Certainty prayer 364 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: every like ten minutes, because not that I desire to drink, 365 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: but I said the Sertendy prayer. I just to try. 366 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: And the higher power piece of of of the program. 367 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: It's not it's not a God program. It's really about 368 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: thinking about you know, how do. 369 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: You how do you use a higher power? 370 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: Your grandmother, you Graham passed away, or somebody else, just 371 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: to kind of add that component to yourself because you 372 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: need that help to get through the program. And don't 373 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: put yourself in situations like how do you get how 374 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: do you do it happy? How you don't go to 375 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: happy hour? And don't put yourself in situations like how 376 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 2: do you get how do you do it happy? How 377 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: you don't go to happy how? I remember the first 378 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: time I ever spoken alcoholicxronomous meeting. I was ninety days 379 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: sober roughly, and I got up to the podium. I 380 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: spoke for twelve minutes I think it was, and I 381 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: talked about a bunch of different things. How I feel 382 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: I was great, My life was happy, I was doing great. 383 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: Things are wonderful. And I said, you know, I still 384 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: go to the bar, I drink it, and I drink 385 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: a ginger ale, and you know, just kind of telling 386 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: my story. 387 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: And then after the meeting, like one hundred people come 388 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: over to me. 389 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, Marty, yeah, so. 390 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: But it's you have to be able to talk to 391 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: another human being as well. You need to be able 392 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: to have the you can't hold. It's like being being 393 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: an active active in your illness. If you're not talking 394 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: to people it's only gonna it's only gonna get worse 395 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: inside you when you when you get into recovery, whether 396 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: it's day one or day ten or day whatever, it is, 397 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: talking to another human being about your problems is really 398 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: important and having those conversations, and that's really where a 399 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: sponsor comes into play. Somebody's been to recovery before, so 400 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: you can because everyone's gone through it. So no matter 401 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: where you are in recovery, whether you're a day sober 402 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: or twenty years sober, there's challenges, and you want to 403 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: talk to people that have sobriety, that have gone through 404 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: the challenges. I mean, when you get sober, it doesn't 405 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: mean your life gets perfect and everything's wonderful. You know, 406 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: family members, parents die, people get sick, your financial strabagals, 407 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: all that stuff. Life happens, but you can handle it 408 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: better with a clear minds and a clear heart than 409 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: if you were medicating it with booze and drugs. 410 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to make the assumption that everybody 411 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: listening knows the Serenity prayer. And I love the Sobritary Prayer. 412 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: I apply it to like all parts of my life 413 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: at all times. So do you mind just share it 414 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: with us and why it was so meaningful for you 415 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: every day? 416 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's the prayer. 417 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, God grant me the serenity to accept the 418 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: things I cannot change, the courage to change the things 419 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. And 420 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: I would take those three concepts in the prayer and 421 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: try and dissect them to understand what does it mean? 422 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: You know, God grant me the serenity to accept the 423 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: things that cannot change, meaning that I can't change things 424 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: in life, and give me the serenity to understand that, 425 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 2: accept the thing, you know, and go through the prayer. 426 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: And I would read it and say. 427 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: My own head over and over and over again and 428 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: try and understand the meaning of the prayer and dissect 429 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: what the meaning of the prayer means for me. 430 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: And I say it every day still. 431 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: But when I first got so old, I said it 432 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: all the time because that that helped me when I 433 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: had a moment of just like, you know, the the. 434 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: Efforts as I call it. I won't say it on 435 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: the podcast, but you know I would just I say. 436 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: You can say the efforts on the picot. 437 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: It would it would bring me right back to where 438 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: I need today. Yeah, and I still say today. I mean, 439 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's I still say today. 440 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm. It applies to everything. And I mean 441 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: even like you know, I'm really into helping people develop skills. 442 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: So these mantras and these prayers are a huge part 443 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: of that. And so like, God, grant me the serenity 444 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: to know the things I cannot change when you're in 445 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: the midst of a struggle, like just asking yourself, is 446 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: this something I can change? And if it's not right, 447 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: the acceptance that this is not something I can change. 448 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: The wisdom like getting to the wisdom is asking yourself, 449 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: is this something I can change? Or is something I 450 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: will accept and find a gift and opportunity in it. 451 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 452 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: No, it's amazing and I think that you know that. 453 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: And then talking to people, it's funny you mentioned about 454 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 2: the tools of the trade, and I learned early on 455 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: about sugar. If you're an alcoholic and you're struggling with alcohol. 456 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: So I was working with, not working with at a 457 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: colleague of mine who was on a conference for work, 458 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: and she was newly sober and she wanted to drink 459 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: so bad. She called me out. Thank god, she called 460 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: me and she said, I really want to drink tonight. 461 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: I said, I knew who she was. I said, is 462 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: there an ice cream shop near where you are? 463 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: I don't know. 464 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: Go have a frap, I said, And after you have 465 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: a frap, call me up if you still want to drink. 466 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 2: So she went out and got a frap and she 467 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: called me out and she goes, how'd you know that? 468 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: I said, no, what she was. I don't have a 469 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: desire to drink anymore. It's it's the craving of the sugar, 470 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: but it's also your brain telling you to drink. So again, 471 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: it's little tricks of that I learned, But you don't 472 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: learn them if you're not out of a program. Yeah, 473 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: and you don't learn if if you're not talking support person. 474 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: If you're not talking to somebody who knows the tricks. 475 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: Right. 476 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: So I think of it the same way like we 477 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: don't add ask a race car driver to drive a 478 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: race car without having a coach. We don't ask a 479 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: hockey player to play professional hockey without having a coach 480 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: to share these tips and tricks, and so addiction and 481 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: the stigma that we've wrapped around addiction tricks people into 482 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: thinking you have to be silent and do it all 483 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: by yourself, and that actually can't yeah, and it's it's human. 484 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: No, you can't do it by yourself and you can't. 485 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: But we can't do anything by ourself, Like there's nothing 486 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: we can do about currently. There's nothing in life that 487 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: you think about. What you do in life, whatever it 488 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: is you do, you need somebody with you to do 489 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: it at some point, like it doesn't matter anything, you know, 490 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: And it's kind of like this, why would it be 491 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: different trying to get into recovery. 492 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: It gets sober by not having support around you. 493 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, but we try to make it like it's different, 494 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: like the shoulds right because it's addiction. You should and 495 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: it's like, no, get it out of your head, like 496 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: we're pack animals. We need each other in all things 497 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: this included. 498 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: No, that's true. 499 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: And the stigma, the sigma piece of a lot of 500 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: it today too, is is that you have people have 501 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: in people listening today that are struggling right now. Your 502 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: stigma is because you've made so many mistakes in your 503 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: life and so many so many oh my gods and 504 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: oops and I didn't mean it in your life and 505 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: you've apologized a million times, and when you get into recovery, 506 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: those apologies eventually down the road are different, and it's 507 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: it's it's since. I mean, I remember when I talked 508 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: about praying when I went to detox. I used to 509 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: pray when I was in the detox. I prayed to 510 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: hit keynotes, I could keep drinking. I prayed, get me 511 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: out of a gym. I prayed that I wouldn't get 512 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: in trouble. I'd pray this, I pray. I'd be praying, 513 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 2: but I prayed for all the wrong reasons, and I 514 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: wasn't praying the real you know, it wasn't like asking God, 515 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: my case, God to help me, help me understand what 516 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing wrong. 517 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: And you know it really is. 518 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: You know, the stigma of it is is a lot 519 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: of some today, I think today a little more than 520 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: in the past. It's self impost stigma. I think there 521 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: were a lot of families in the United States, in 522 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: the world, most families in the world, not all. Most 523 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 2: families in the world have somebody in their family that 524 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: is dealing that is dealing with something, whether it's mental 525 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: health or substance hues or whatever it might be. So 526 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: it's not like, and more people are talking about it 527 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: today than even when I first got into the program Alcoochem, 528 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: when I first got sober in ninety seven, ninety five, 529 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: I should say, and then in ninety seven I gotta 530 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: lect it, more people are talking about say. So that 531 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: stigma is again that it goes along with the feeling 532 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: inside that the you know that you're not worth it, 533 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: and anyone, everyone who's struggling right now is worth it. 534 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: Everyone's worth it. 535 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: You know. 536 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 2: It's just and I you know, when I get somebody, 537 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: when I try to talk to people, I just offer 538 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: them a hand and if they're ready for it, they'll 539 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: take it. And if they're not ready for it, you 540 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: just you wait for the call and hope. 541 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 3: That the call comes. And the sad pod is I've. 542 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Known a lot of people that couldn't make the call 543 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: because their life ended before the call was made. Yeah, 544 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: and that's another thing that's really hard. And generally when 545 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: I see that, when you see some of you guys 546 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 2: in active addiction, you go to their wake and there's 547 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: thousands of people there, and they generally died alone, thinking 548 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: no one loves them, when in fact it is completely 549 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: the opposite. They might be angry at them at the moment, 550 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: but they do. They do understand if they give you 551 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: over time. 552 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: M h. 553 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: I want to magnify what you said. Anybody who is 554 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: struggling today, you are worth it. And even though this 555 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: addiction has your brain tricked to make you think the 556 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: people around you don't care, they care so deeply. That's 557 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: why this disease is so hurtful. If they didn't care, 558 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be hurt by it. They wouldn't be angry. 559 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 3: That's true, and they're tired. Some family members are tied. 560 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 2: We have an area in Boston called mass and Casts 561 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: and we have a lot of active addiction going on 562 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: down there. And you know, I often say like that, 563 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: and a lot of the people down on Massive Casts 564 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: are intermingle with the homeless people and people in the country. 565 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: People in Boston they said, oh, they're all homeless. They're 566 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: really not homeless. They're out of their home. 567 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: They're homeless because of their active, active using of drugs 568 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: and alcohol. 569 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: And if they're able to get sober, there's a place 570 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: to go back to. But you know, you have to. 571 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: Build that trust up too, and that's why they don't 572 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: let don't let stigma and stubbornness and not understanding. 573 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: Keep you away from being read in your family. Take 574 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: that first. 575 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: Step, yep, yep. So I'm gonna give you a sneak 576 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: peek into the final question that I ask everybody, which 577 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: is And we're not gonna do it right now. We 578 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: have a few more minutes before we get to the final. 579 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: But if there's one thing that you want listeners to 580 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: walk away from hearing your journey and your story today, 581 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: one thing you want them to unlearn, or one stigma 582 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: you want them to undo, or one conversation you want 583 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: them to uncover, what would it be? But not no, no, no, no, 584 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: not right now? That's the fine art might all right, 585 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: So before we get to that question, another thing that 586 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: I think is hugely important as people ground their feet 587 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: and recovery, for what that means for them is the 588 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: sense of life, meaning and purpose. And I get the 589 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: sense from you, Marty that you have a really solid 590 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: perspective on what your purpose in life is and what 591 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: meaning and life means for you. Are you comfortable sharing 592 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: with our listeners one am, I am? I you know 593 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: receiving you? Is that accurate? And two? If so, what 594 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: that is and how you came to know what it is. 595 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: I've been very blessed in my life to have amazing opportunities, 596 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 2: serving sixteen years in the House Representatives, seven years is 597 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: mayor of the City of Boston, two years in a 598 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: presidential cabinet, and now. 599 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: As the director of the Hockey Player Association. 600 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: And I often people often ask me about. 601 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: What is it in politics? Do you want your legacy 602 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: to be? 603 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: Because everyone's focused on legacy, and I really am not 604 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: concerned about my legacy. What I want to do is 605 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: be able to help people get to wherever it is 606 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: they want to get to, whether it's help them get 607 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: a job in recovery, help them get sober, you know, 608 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: Like I think my purpose is to help people. And 609 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: then that's a broad range of whatever it might be, 610 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: depending on the circumstance. That's what I enjoy doing. That's 611 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: what I love doing in life. I don't need a 612 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: bridge named after me, I don't need a building named 613 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: after me. And that's you know, some people feel that 614 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: that's what they want in their life or building or 615 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: whatever it might be. I want to be able to 616 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: point back and say I helped I was there to 617 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: be able to help somebody when they made the phone 618 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: call when I ran from mayor in twenty thirteen. I 619 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: have a cell phone. I have a cell phone number, 620 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: and that number in twenty thirteen was probably ten years old, 621 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: and I got a lot of calls in that phone. 622 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: And I remember being at a meeting in my campaign 623 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: office with the leadership of the campaign saying you need 624 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: to change your number, you get too many calls. I said, 625 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: I can't change the number because I don't want to 626 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: miss the call. And ironically, a couple weeks later, whenever 627 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: it was later, I was in a finance meeting in 628 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: the campaign office at my phone rang and it was 629 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: it was a person in active active alcoholism, and I said, 630 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: I got to take this call, and I jump I 631 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: jumped off out of the campaign meeting. It was a 632 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: finance meeting from mayor of Boston, and I got the 633 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: phone call, and I took a call and whatever, you 634 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: had the phone conversation with the person other than the phone, 635 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: and I went back to the meeting and the next 636 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: day one of the people at worked for me said 637 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: to me, can we talk about yesterday? I said yeah, 638 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: and she said that was pretty incredible what you did, 639 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: So what are you talking about you is you get 640 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: a phone call somebody looking for help to get into treatment, 641 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: and you stopped the finance meeting for your campaign. And 642 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: I said, that's what life's all about. And I never 643 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, I have my number. I don't change my number. 644 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to miss that call. 645 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: You know. 646 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: I did miss a call once. Family call me trying 647 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: to get their son into DETOKS. I was at a 648 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: state rep at the time. I didn't never a cell phone, 649 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't believe, and they called the office. And when 650 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: I got in the office Monday, I got in the 651 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: call from my mother who was trying to get her 652 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: son into DTOKS and he had overdosed that weekend. 653 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: So you know, I don't plan. I'm not. I'm not, 654 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 3: I don't. 655 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: I don't blame myself for that, but you want to 656 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: be able to be there as much as possible. So 657 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: I think that the way I want, the way I 658 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: live my life is trying to help people every day, 659 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: one day at a time, and do you know, do 660 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: as much as I can. 661 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so powerful and I love like you said, 662 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: it's a big umbrella and it gets manifest in many ways, 663 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: but it always comes back to that central core and 664 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: meaning for you, which is helping other people. Yeah, did 665 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: you ever did you ever not know that that was 666 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: your life meaning? Like, was there a process or your purpose? 667 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Was there a process of finding that or uncovering it 668 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: for yourself? Because I think a lot of people don't 669 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: know what purpose I mean. 670 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: I think I think you know, I grew up in 671 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: Boston Dorchester. I wanted to be in politics. I was 672 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: active in the neighborhood, and you know, I wanted to 673 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: get elected. 674 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 3: I got elected. 675 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: I served sixteen years and the House Representatives. And I 676 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: think over time it defined, you know, whatever you do 677 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: with life defines who you are and defines what your 678 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: real calling is. And I don't know if my calling 679 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: is politics. I don't know if I clearly I have 680 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: been in it for a long time. I'm not sure 681 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: what my calling is. But but you know, over time, 682 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: you know, in recovery, understanding the program, the program about 683 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: austrononomous and about giving it away and sharing, sobriety and 684 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: understanding you're following the people that came before you, and 685 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: you're learning and you had to give away to the 686 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: people that come after you, and understanding that it's a 687 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: day at a time so all of that stuff I 688 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: learned over time. So I, you know, I think my 689 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: calling is a kid. I wanted to be in politics. 690 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 2: I wanted to be elected. 691 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 692 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: I just want to be elective, that's you know, I 693 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 2: didn't have this idea concept of what that meant. I 694 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: just want to be put my name on a ballot, 695 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: get my name on a bump a stick or on 696 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: a sign to get elected. And then all the time done, yeah, done, 697 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 2: And you get that, you realize like what really is? 698 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: You know, you find out who you really are and 699 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: what you're really about, and that's you know, you try 700 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: not to lose sight of that, and try not to 701 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: lose sight of So anyone listening today, Like the one 702 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: thing I want to say to people listening, like, I 703 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: don't care what situation you're in your life. I don't 704 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: care how low you are, I don't care what you've done. 705 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: I don't care how much boos you drink, how much 706 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: drugs you've taken, all of that, if you give yourself 707 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: a chance, all of that is still part of your 708 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: life's journey, but it will make you stronger as a 709 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: human being if you deal with that moving forward. So 710 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 2: so you know, all of that is so important for 711 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: people to realize that if you take that first step, 712 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: and you might not want to take that first step, 713 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 2: but you're tired, you're ready for it. 714 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: Just give yourself a chance. All that stuff can be 715 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 3: dealt with. You deal with the record they call it 716 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: records or your past. You deal with the records. I've 717 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 3: dealt with it, and I still have records in my past. 718 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 3: I have to deal with that I haven't dealt with. 719 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 3: But you deal with that, and and you know your 720 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: life is worth it. 721 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hmm. Give yourself a chance. All right, Well, 722 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: this time always flies faster then I want it to. 723 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: But I think we can roll into our last question, 724 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: which is some people say one, undo, unlearn, uncover, some 725 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: people give one and eat whatever is on your heart 726 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: and soul. This this afternoon, Marty Walls. One thing you 727 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: want people to unlearn, undo or a conversation to uncover 728 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: that you think would really get us on the path 729 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: to stemming this addiction crisis. 730 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 2: Undo, unlearn, uncover. I think it's what I said earlier. 731 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 2: Because you've lived your life a certain way, and you've 732 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 2: struggled for so long with drugs and alcohol, you can 733 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: undo the damage that you cost by taking the first step. 734 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: You might not see it today, but if you get 735 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 2: into recovery, you will see it. I am extremely grateful. 736 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: I often say this to people if if I said 737 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: this a bunch of time, If I get hit by 738 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: a bus tonight after this podcast and my life is 739 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: over for whatever reason, sickness, whatever it might be, I 740 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: tell people, don't feel bad for me, because I've lived 741 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: a full life, because I've gotten into recovery and I've 742 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: been able to do that. So you know, you can undo, 743 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: unlearn a lot of things in life by taking care 744 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: of yourself. And I want people to know that you're 745 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: not alone in this journey. There are millions and millions 746 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 2: of people in recovery, but there are millions and millions 747 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: and millions of friends and supporters of all of us 748 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 2: out there that that are doing podcasts and writing books 749 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: and talking to us and fighting in state houses around 750 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: the country and legislatures and down in Congress, and you know, 751 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, as high as the President's office. I mean, 752 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 2: you have so many people that that that that that 753 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: are that are in this space with us that it's 754 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 2: very different than the people that came before us that 755 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: didn't have the support networks that. 756 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 3: Are out there today. I don't know. I don't know 757 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 3: if that answers the question, oh. 758 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: That was there are no wrong answers. That was absolutely beautiful, 759 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: by the way, because I think so how much of 760 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: what is deadly about this epidemic you said it before, 761 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: one the idea that you're in it by yourself, to 762 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: the idea that there's nobody fighting for you, and so 763 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: like you have insider knowledge about the people who are 764 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: fighting for a chance for people with addiction to experience 765 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: recovery all the way up to the President's office. I mean, 766 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: I think it's just really powerful. Yeah, yeah, really powerful. 767 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you so much Marty Wallace for 768 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: coming on the Addiction what is it called? Un Addiction Podcast? 769 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: I love thank you. 770 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: This has been awesome. I really appreciate it, all right. 771 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: Thank you very much having me. 772 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in. And if you 773 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: liked this episode, please check out my book on Addiction, 774 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Six mind Changing Conversations that Could Save a Life, available 775 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: at Barnes and Noble, Shop dot Org, Union Squaring Company, Amazon, 776 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: and wherever books are sold. 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