1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I want come to stuff. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: I never told you production if I hired you, and today 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: we're bringing back an episode we did about women's holiday 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: labor as we move into the holidays. As this comes out, 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this actually when you were talking 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: about your recent Monday mini about hobbies, women and hobbies, 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: because I was trying to come up with some holiday 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: topics that we haven't already covered. 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: One thing that my mom and I do is we 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: do puzzles together when I go home. 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: And so then I went on a like rabbit hole 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: about the history of puzzles and women, and I learned 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: a lot and we'll have to come back and talk. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: About that later. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: But but then I got to thinking, as we do this, 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: I'm preparing to go home for the holidays, and I 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: was thinking about how that the fact that women have 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: less time for hobbies like is almost it becomes apparent 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: to me during the holidays because I'm like not preparing 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: to relax, I'm preparing to cook, I'm preparing to like decorate, 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I'm preparing to like shop, like all of these things, like, 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: and my mom is doing more than me, Like she 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: does all of the like grocery shopic. She does the planning, 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: she does the hosting, the decorating, cleaning, entertaining, And it 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: is one of the things that frustrates me the most 26 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: in my particular house holiday situation is that I feel 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: like we do all of that work and then they 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: just they being In this case, dudes generally eat the 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: food and then leave and then go watch TV, and 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: we're like to stuff it has gotten better. 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: They typically clean the dishes. 32 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: Now, Okay, wasn't that a helpful like move by your 33 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: brother's fiance though more so than yeah. 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: But I appreciate it. 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: I mean, it's something, But it's just like when you 36 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: were talking about the hobby, I was thinking about that. 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: How we've also. 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: Talked about our work and how it can be hard 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: to have a holiday with our job. There's a lot 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: of benefits to our job, don't get me wrong, but 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: one of the things is it feels like we're constantly working. 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: But then also just I was thinking about all the 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: stuff my mom and I've got to do it it 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: does not feel like a holiday. That does not feel 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: like a break to me at all. Right, Yeah, So 46 00:02:52,160 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: with that in mind, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, 47 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan never 48 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: told you a production of iHeartRadio. So I'm gonna go 49 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: ahead and timestamp this one because we're talking about something 50 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: that is actually a lot of stuff is being written 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: about right now, and that is the Great Resignation as 52 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: it's called, among other things. So today is November twenty third, 53 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. This is our last recording session for 54 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: about a week. So yeah, that's exciting, and we do 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: have a bit of a mixed Santa labor bag on 56 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: this one. Now that we're in December officially, or we 57 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: will be when you. 58 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: Listen to this. We are not currently. 59 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: Right, we are not the future at this point in time. 60 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: Well not at this point. We wanted to do a 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: very brief revisit of holiday emotional labor. We've been talking 62 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: about that kind of a lot recently, but also yes, 63 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: issues that are impacting women when it comes to things 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: like the Great Resignation and all of these labor shortages 65 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: are just product shortages that we've been hearing about. So 66 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: before we get into it, we have gone over emotional 67 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 2: labor before. But just as a reminder, Ourie Hostchild first 68 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: defined emotional labor as quote, invoking and suppressing feelings to 69 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: fit the job for which you are paid, especially in 70 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: jobs often helped by women that involve personal interaction, customer service, 71 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: and empathy. 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Things like that. 73 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Nowadays, we've expanded the meaning to include a plethora of stuff. 74 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: That we, and again usually women in this. 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Context do outside of work to maintain relationships, like getting 76 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: cards and gifts, remembering important dates for you or your partner, 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: mood management, all kinds of things like that. 78 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: And we talked about how. 79 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: Emotional labor is often heightened for women and especially for 80 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: mothers our caregivers during the holidays last year, and how 81 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: it would be even more heightened during a pandemic. Since then, 82 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: a few articles have come out about it, as well 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: as some new challenges for this year that have shown 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: up in this discussion. 85 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: So many challenges, one interesting but not at all surprising 86 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: theme for the articles that have come out from last year, 87 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: where all the women who reported they just didn't have 88 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: it in them to do the traditional holiday labor during 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: the pandemic, and then the guilt that many felt alongside 90 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: that realization, Yes, people and women more so felt burnt out. 91 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: They were and are taking the brunt of housework and caregiving. 92 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: More women experienced loss of jobs for whatever reason and 93 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: cuts in pay, which made the holidays more difficult. On 94 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: top of that, there was all that tragedy brought on 95 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: by COVID nineteen, and in the face of all that, 96 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: many women reported wanting to give and feeling pressure to 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: give and even more positive experience, but just flat out 98 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: not having the energy or resources to do so. For some, 99 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: this resulted in a simpler celebration that was in many 100 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: ways a relief, and for others, a conversation with a 101 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: partner about taking on some of the responsibilities she'd traditionally 102 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: been doing. 103 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: They're saying throwing as. 104 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 3: Traditional a holiday as they could give them some resemblance 105 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: of control in a time where everything else felt out 106 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: of control, and again for some just a feeling that 107 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: they'd filled. 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a real mixed fag overall. 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: I feel like there was a lot of conversations people 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: were having in these articles. I was reading about like 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: what can we give up and what can we let go? 113 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: And I've been doing all this work and the other 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: person didn't like what right, Yeah, So that's interesting and 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: it'll it'll be interesting to see after this year how 116 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: it sort of goes after this is sort of our 117 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: second time round. Although I do feel like this one 118 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: the different challenges and there are still some of those 119 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: things going on, absolutely, but it does feel quote more 120 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: normal than last year, at least for me, right. 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. 122 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: Hilariously to me, some articles cited Malaia Trump's words, who 123 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: gives it about Christmas stuff and decorations? 124 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: But I have to do it right. 125 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: I feel like that might have been her attitude throughout 126 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: her administration, So fair enough. One thing that's weighing on 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: all of us, and in this conversation, women planning holidays 128 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: are all the shortages that we've been hitting, from toys 129 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: to food. A survey from October twenty twenty one found 130 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: that thirty eight percent of women were anxious about holiday costs. 131 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: At the same time, holiday prices are expected to rise 132 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: by twenty percent this year. 133 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: Read the room, y'all capitalism in the room. 134 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom was like, I've got an emergency turkey 135 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: frozen and I'm gonna try. 136 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: I heard there's gonna be a turkey at this store 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: at this time, and I was like, Wow, what is happening. 138 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 139 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: I did spend a good hour today trying to get 140 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: a PlayStation five. I failed, but I was close. It 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: was in my cart. 142 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: Oh no moment. 143 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm planning to go to a little market. And 144 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: this is just because this artist and this crafter is fantastic, 145 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: But I'm planning to go to a little market here 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 3: in Atlanta to get something that is on demand. It's 147 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: impossible to get and I'm planning to go thirty minutes 148 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: before it even opens to get in line. I guess 149 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be one of those people because the last 150 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: time she had an online shop similar to this, it 151 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: was in my cart and as I was checking out, 152 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: it was gone. 153 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, I hate it. 154 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: This isn't part of that kind of labor we're talking about, though, 155 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: Like it sounds kind of silly, but I mean, if 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: you've got kids and you got plan these things, and 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: you've got to know that that's an issue, and then 158 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: you've got to plan around it, like it's just taking 159 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: up some of your mind space. And I think I 160 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: said recently, I bought most of my presents in October 161 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: and so did my mom because we were anticipating you 162 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: know this shortage or delay and delivery and yeah, my 163 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: mom brought a lot of food already and froze it. 164 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: She's like, what if I can't get it later, So 165 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: that's just like an extra thing to kind of plan. 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, with that the gift, because Etsy does this 167 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: a lot where you're like looking at a gift like 168 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: hurry up, there's only three left, and you're like, oh no, please. 169 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: Don't go away before I make my decision. 170 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: On top of the fact that, yeah, you know, you 171 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: don't know where it's coming from. Sometimes I'm like, oh no, 172 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: this is from Mexico. It's going to take two more weeks. 173 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: So having to plan perfectly as well as trying to 174 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: find the perfect thoughtful gift, y'all, it's a lot. 175 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: It is, It really is. 176 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: It feels great when you do it, when you pull 177 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: it off, but if you can't work. 178 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: To get there, yes, yes, if you can. 179 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: And also like we're throwing out a lot of company 180 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: names in those one but currently not sponsors or that's 181 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: not why. 182 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: We're mentioning them anyway. 183 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: And then yes, of course there are the arguments, as 184 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: always about politics, but also about masking and vaccination. I 185 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: did see a recent study where seventy five percent of 186 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: American households were like, you know, we're having a small 187 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: gathering this year vaccination and mask. 188 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: So that's interesting. 189 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, women tend to do more of the controlling of 190 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: a family's narrative on social media, something that can be 191 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: really fraught if your family doesn't agree on things like that, 192 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: which I thought I hadn't really considered that, but yeah, yeah, it's. 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: A it's a stressor. 194 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out how not to be the 195 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: person to start an argument. 196 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: Something else we wanted to talk about is all these 197 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: labor shortages we're hearing about and also the Great resignation. 198 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 2: In September twenty twenty one, a record four point four 199 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: million people quit their jobs. According to the US Labor Department, 200 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: that's on the tail of four point three million. Resignations 201 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: are about three percent in August of twenty twenty one, 202 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: which is way larger than the number of layoffs at 203 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: one point three million. Data from small to medium sized 204 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: payroll provider Gusto suggests that of those quitting, more of 205 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: them are women. The company started tracking the gender gap 206 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: in resignations in January twenty twenty, and according to the 207 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: information they've collected. The gap was at its highest in 208 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 2: August twenty twenty one, with a one point one percent 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: point difference between the number of women quitting versus the 210 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: number of men quitting. 211 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Since then, that. 212 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: Percentage just dropped a bit, but is still hovering around 213 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: one percent. Three hundred thousand women quit their jobs in 214 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: September compared to the one hundred ninety four thousand jobs 215 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: added to the workplace. So I mean, we don't really know, 216 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: We don't know the breakdown of the second number, but 217 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: more women quit than were hired, right, weall. 218 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: Right, which we talked about when we said that we 219 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 3: were losing the gender gap. 220 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 4: At one point we were like. 221 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: Oh yay, it's happening, it's moving forward, and then pandemic 222 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: just swept all of that away, as well as the 223 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: fact that a lot of these jobs that have higher 224 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: resignations are probably the essential quote unquote essential jobs which 225 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: have more women as a part of that, so that 226 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: could explain a lot. And so data from LinkedIn found 227 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: that the number of women reporting job transitions, which can 228 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: mean anything from leaving the workforce or switching jobs, has 229 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: jumped fifty four percent for women in twenty twenty one, 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: compared to forty six percent for men. One third of 231 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: women surveyed said their income wasn't enough to pay for 232 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: their families, and the number one reason the women gave 233 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: for changing jobs, which, yes, that makes a lot of sense. 234 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: This isn't just limited to the US. 235 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: At the same time, a recent survey of fourteen thousand 236 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 3: corporate leaders, middle managers, and individual contributors from twenty seven 237 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: countries found that in twenty twenty two, sixty three percent 238 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: of women were planning on staying with their current employer, 239 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: down from seventy one percent in twenty twenty one. That's 240 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 3: compared to sixty seven percent of men planning on remaining 241 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: with their current employer in twenty twenty two, down from 242 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: seventy percent in twenty twenty one, So that's a more 243 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: precipitous drop among women. When it comes to leaders. Of leaders, 244 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: the number of women intending to stay in twenty twenty 245 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: two dropped from eighty seven percent to sixty six percent. 246 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: Before the pandemic, women had a majority of the country's jobs. 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: So this is a big deal for multiple reasons. 248 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, And of course this is impacting 249 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: companies diversity quotas. The report included this quote. With companies 250 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: competing for the same highly skilled talent, action on DEEIB, 251 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: which stands for republic de diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging 252 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 2: in fostering a culture of belonging will be a key differentiator, 253 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: but our research shows there's still a ways to go. 254 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Four and five eighty percent senior leaders say their actions 255 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: show they are genuinely committed to a greater DEIB, while 256 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: only three and five or fifty eight percent individual contributor 257 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: to say the same. Closing this gap will play a 258 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: leading role in retaining people too, making it one of 259 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: the key areas of focus to get right during the 260 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: Great Resignation. A separate recent study found that a large 261 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: amount of people will leave if they are made quote 262 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: uncomfortable on a job because of their gender, ethnicity, socioeconomic background. 263 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Or neurodevelopment condition. 264 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: And then over in Canada, a study found that one 265 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: hundred thousand working age women left the workforce since the 266 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: beginning of the pandemic as of spring twenty twenty one, 267 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: more than ten times than the number of men. Some 268 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: analysts suggest that if it were reversed and men were 269 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: the ones leading in such high numbers, there would be 270 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: more concern, which is also a problem. 271 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of reasons for this, and 272 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: many of them we've discussed before. The most commonly cited 273 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: is a desire for a better, higher paying career, women 274 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: start their own businesses, burnout, and child or elder care concerns, 275 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: and the words of an economist at Gusto Luke Pardu, 276 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: he said, this pandemic has been particularly difficult for women 277 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: at jobs who also need care for families. 278 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 4: They've been the ones who. 279 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: Needed to take that step back in their professional lives 280 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: in order to meet their family's responsibilities. 281 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: And yeah, we talked about that previously. 282 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty Women in the Workplace survey found that women 283 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: on average were spending twenty hours a week on housework 284 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: and caregiving. 285 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: Yep, again talked about that hasn't. 286 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: Really changed since, according to some sources, two out of 287 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: three caregivers are women, and that same survey found that 288 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: one in three women have considered leaving or down shifting 289 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: their career in twenty twenty one, compared to one in 290 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: four at the start of the pandemic. 291 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we were talking about with the gap 292 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: at one point was like, oh, yeah, it's again. Oh no, 293 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 4: it's gutten wider yep. 294 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. There are a few episodes I looked back that 295 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: we did before the. 296 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: Pandemic and I'm like, oh, we had no idea, We 297 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: had no idea, but we did one that was like 298 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: very hopeful of like women are made all these strides 299 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: or doing all this. 300 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: It's like oh, and then when we had to review 301 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: after all the reports are like, yeah, mostly women are leaving, 302 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: Like yeah, goodype. 303 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: So yes, as you were kind of saying, Samantha. All 304 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: of this has been compounded by the fact that many 305 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: essential workers, many of them women in fields like nursing, teaching, 306 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: and childcare, are also leaving the workforce. Indeed, dot com 307 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: found that more and more companies are posting quote urgent 308 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: hirings that start immediately, and most of those industries three 309 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: of the top four in fact, are dominated by women. 310 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: Personal care and home health, nursing, and childcare. 311 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: A lot of these jobs require. 312 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: In person interactions, meaning that health concerns are primary concern 313 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: for employees as well. So this is you can find 314 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: articles specific to each of those professions that we just 315 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: mentioned of, like why it's a big deal, why it's happening, 316 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: and a lot of it is related to what we're 317 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: talking about, but it does have that ripple effect then 318 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: of you know, I get there's no teachers or there's 319 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: that childcare aspect is so. 320 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: Big in this conversation. 321 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: When it comes to burnout, an increasing number of women, 322 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: and especially women of color and LGBTQ plus folks, are 323 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: taking medical leaves to cope with stress, exhaustion, and burnout. 324 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: For many women, working at. 325 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Home has blurred the lines between work hours and off 326 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: work hours, meaning that a lot of us are working 327 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: ten to twelve hour days for the same amount of 328 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 2: pay or even less pay. Eighty percent of women surveyed 329 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: over ten countries reported that the pandemic had increased their workload, 330 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: and sixty six percent reported that their home responsibilities had 331 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: also increased. 332 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: So that's that's just a lot. It's just a lot. 333 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: Don Lee over at the Los Angeles Times wrote about 334 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: all of this, especially for working moms, quote, the pandemic 335 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: has exacted a heavy toll on millions of moms in 336 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: terms of job security, pay equity, and long term career 337 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: opportunities loss as many will likely never recover in significant numbers. 338 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: They endured pay cuts, reduced hours, diminished retirement benefits, and 339 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: lost promotions. As we discussed in previous episodes, some experts 340 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: predict the pandemic will set advancements made in gender equality 341 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: back fifty years, and those are like, really guesses right. 342 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: And yeah, that didn't have all the numbers that we have. 343 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: It is not pretty. It's like as bad as they expected, 344 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: or a little bit worse. 345 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: And on top of that, yeah, I find it interesting 346 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: when we talk about these gender gaps that most of 347 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: the companies are ragging about how well they've done. And 348 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: when I say company, I mean these like big corporate ones, 349 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: obviously not the small businesses which have been. 350 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: Had pretty hard. 351 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: But again, typically these small businesses also like impact women 352 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: just as a reminder pretty greatly. 353 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 4: And I find that. 354 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 3: Interesting as well, when we're sitting here going, oh, no, 355 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: it's gotten bad. But at the same time, we're getting 356 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: reports from corporations and big stockholders were. 357 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: Like, but we've made a lot of money, right. 358 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Again read the room. I feel like we've been saying 359 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: that a lot. 360 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it just feels like, I don't know why, 361 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: you feel like it's time to brag right now? This 362 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: is the worst time, be quiet, sit Yeah, have all 363 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: the seats. On the other hand, another study found that 364 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: about ten percent of Americans quit their job to pursue 365 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: something they were more passionate about. Good on you, ten 366 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: percent of the people's. On top of that, the study 367 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: found that fifty percent of women were more open to 368 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: doing that compared to forty four percent of men. 369 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 5: Good on you, ladies, yeah yeah, And so there have 370 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 5: been numerous articles aimed at employers about how to keep 371 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 5: workers and women at their jobs, suggesting things like flexible 372 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 5: hours and flexible work options, student loan assistance, higher pay, 373 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 5: and four day work weeks. 374 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: How have experts warned that, if not carried out carefully, 375 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: some of these options could backfire and further exacerbate problems 376 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: that the pandemic made worse. For instance, if most women 377 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: at a company choose to work remotely due to childcare, 378 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: the office might be full of men. And multiple studies 379 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: have shown that in person interactions are beneficial when it 380 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: comes to things like promotions. So that's like I know 381 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: we've discussed before, it is really beneficial to have this 382 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: like flexible work schedule and remote work options, and that 383 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: is really beneficial for women. 384 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: But it's one of those things, like we also have 385 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. 386 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: These other things, and so we talked about this, but 387 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: also like the ploring of work lines and finding like 388 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: work life balance. It's just nothing in here is so 389 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: simple as this, Like we should definitely talk about this, 390 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: it should be an option. 391 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: But also right, and let's also think about the fact 392 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: that if a woman is staying at home to be 393 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: with their child, their double working, like they are doing 394 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: two jobs at once. So that's not necessarily a benefit 395 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: other than saving money, which should not have to be 396 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: for a woman who wants to continue in hard profession 397 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: or has to continue in hard profession. 398 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, And all of this has also 399 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: led to a lot of conversation around updating how employers 400 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: find employees. Maybe the resume is no longer the way 401 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: to go or not as important, or maybe a college 402 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: degree is and always so important, and right now analysts 403 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: think women have more negotiating power. Of course, yeah, that 404 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: won't matter if we don't get to the root of 405 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: systemic issues, like if there aren't affordable care options or 406 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: elder care options for those that need them. Even the 407 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: term the great resignation is disputed for what's happening because 408 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: it implies a level of choice not present for all workers. 409 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: Some have called it the Great Reassessment. Others say it's 410 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: just women being four set of jobs to take care 411 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: of children, and that's what it is. 412 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: Right. 413 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: Many have caution that while coverage of this be quite inspiring, 414 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: it often focuses on those that have. 415 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: The resources, time, and health to undertake something new. 416 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: Right. 417 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: One of the surveys mentioned added that a part of 418 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: the solution has to be quote, doing the work at 419 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: the root of the problem, as you were saying, the 420 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: systemic part a toxic culture that rewards workplace martyrdom over 421 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: self care and self awareness. And yeah, it's obviously and 422 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: we see this in a lot of like you need. 423 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 4: To sacrifice your life to be here. That can't happen. 424 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: And so many women interviewed reported being frustrated at the 425 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: lack of advancement, opportunities, support, financial compensation, and just general 426 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: respect and basic necessities, which you're like, why is that 427 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: not a part of this? 428 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 4: Why is this something that we have to compromise for? 429 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: I know, I know, And yeah, the recent passing of 430 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: the infrastructure bill here in the US and what got 431 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: cut also plays into this conversation. We're planning on returning 432 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: to that to discuss it in a future episode. I 433 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: will say, just because it kind of stuck out to me, 434 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: some women interviewed in all of these articles about this 435 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: chose not to get vaccinated and reported difficulties finding jobs, 436 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: while others quit because their companies didn't have a vaccine mandate. 437 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: So that's also something that's happening. 438 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: Right. 439 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: As we said at the top, this is like people. 440 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: Are really writing a lot of articles about this all 441 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: the time, and since I've researched it, I get like 442 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: an update every day, so it's ongoing. It's you know, 443 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: relatively new, so data collection is still happening. But that's 444 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: what we know for now. Maybe we'll revisit. 445 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: So for the very little I knew of it beforehand, 446 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: I felt like the great resignation was the stories about 447 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 3: all of the like the fast food workers who would 448 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: just up and quit, and you would see the massive 449 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: science that says not able to be open. 450 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: Including one of the zaxbies here in Atlanta. 451 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: I went and they didn't have enough employee, so I 452 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: had this shut down for a few weeks. 453 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 454 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 4: I found it interesting. 455 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are a lot of a lot 456 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: of very interesting conversations happening around this, I think because 457 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: that aspect I've also seen and has been pretty widely covered, 458 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: and I think that is you know, another like when 459 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: we talk about the minimum wage and stuff, what we're 460 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: asking people to do for so little and people just 461 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: being fed up with it, paying people. 462 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: A living wage. But yeah, there's a. 463 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: Lot more going on than we can really simplify. But 464 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: I do think after reading all of this, I do 465 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 2: think a lot of it when it comes to why 466 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: more women are quitting, is definitely childcare based or just 467 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: like other responsibilities based, Yeah, which is, yeah, something we 468 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: need to be talking about. 469 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: All right. 470 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: To wrap this one up, this episode actually started with 471 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: this news story that I heard, and then it expanded 472 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: into a great resignation. But I actually wanted to talk 473 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: about Missus Glaus. Yes, so this is our holiday themed 474 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: section of labor shortages, and you can see the past 475 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: hosts have done episodes on Missus Clause. But yeah, very briefly, 476 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: if you're wondering, she does not have a definitive first name. 477 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: Some more recent pieces of entertainment give her one, but 478 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: it's not the same name. So I think she's called 479 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: Anna and something and like something else with an A 480 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: and another thing, but they're not the same name. 481 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where we are with Missus Claus. 482 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: And as more and more malls and venues are looking 483 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: to hire someone to play Santa Claus after missing out 484 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: the last year, they are running into a shortage of 485 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 2: folks available to play. So this is for a few reasons, older, 486 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: heavier setmen that are typically sought after to play Santa Claus, 487 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: or at a higher risk for more severe case of 488 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. Since the job requires interacting with hundreds of 489 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: people in public, many are opting out this year. Several 490 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: died from COVID since the pandemic started, and they actually 491 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: keep some of the Santa Schools keep statistics on this 492 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: since it's pretty it's pretty gram. 493 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: Wait wait, they're Santa Schools. 494 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yes, Samantha, and we're going to talk about 495 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: some of them. 496 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, going okay. 497 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: Other Santa potential Santa players are deciding they'd rather spend 498 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: more time with their family during the holidays. Many are 499 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: sticking to digital visits as they did in twenty twenty, 500 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: and actually found quite a bit of success in that 501 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: all this is coupled with a significant increase in demand. 502 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: According to the founder of a Denver Santa school, Susan Mesco, 503 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: on an average year, she receives around fifteen to twenty 504 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: requests for Santa in July, but by February of this year, 505 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: she'd already gotten seventy requests. 506 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 1: A school in Texas. 507 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: Reported around a twenty percent shortage of available Santas in 508 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: a one hund undred and twenty one percent increase in demand. 509 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: This does mean that Santa's are making more money. And 510 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, there's still a lot of concerns about COVID 511 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: and all this, so there's a lot of like safety things, 512 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: but in place it's still you know, a mall and 513 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: kids and all that stuff. Somebody doing like plexiglass or 514 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, six foot distance. But they people who are 515 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: doing it are making. 516 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: A lot of money, a lot more than they normally make. 517 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 4: Nice. 518 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: So it also means that some bookers are turning instead 519 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: to a Missus clause. And I'm not gonna lie. So 520 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: there is an episode in thirty Rock where Jack Donaghy 521 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: talks about Missus Claus in one of their holiday specials, 522 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: and he's like where's missus Claus. And they're like, we 523 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: didn't need one, and he's like, there's always a missus Clause. 524 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: And it turns out that his mom, who his father 525 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: was not in the picture, would have Missus Claus doing everything. 526 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: Because they had no seta. I just oh, and so 527 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: he thought that was a tradition, right, right, right right. 528 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: So more and more women are receiving solo bookings on 529 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: top of this, in part because of anticipated toy shortages, 530 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 3: The Jammy Claus Company is set to publish Jammi Claus 531 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: The Christmas Tradition of unconditionally giving all about how Missus 532 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 3: Claus delivers pajamas on Christmas Eve. 533 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 4: I like this. 534 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: The kids are supposed to put out the bag on 535 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: Christmas Eve and then she'll fill it with pajamas, whether 536 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 3: the children have been naughty or nice. You know. The 537 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 3: company is partnering with Domestic Violence and Homeless Shelters in 538 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 3: conjunction with their annual Pajama drive. 539 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 4: Very smart, I want some pajamas. 540 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: Pajamas are great. Pajamas are great. 541 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: And then in November, Old Navy hosted a Santa boot camp, 542 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: claiming they wanted Santa to be quote more representative of 543 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: modern culture, representing all backgrounds, ethnicities, and heritage. And I 544 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: also saw just today that they have training on how 545 00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: to handle ridiculous gift request. 546 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 547 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: I mean, like I always think about that when you 548 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 3: have a child going to Santa telling secrets and the 549 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: thing they want is like a horse, and you're absolutely 550 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: not getting this child a pony or a horse? So 551 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: how do you deal with this? And for me, who 552 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: have never actually believed in Santa Claus, it was not 553 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: a big deal. Knowing that we had cash limits. We're 554 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: told we had cash limits. Didn't really you know, care 555 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: much other than comparing with all the rich kids who 556 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 3: were like I got. 557 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: A new phone with my own private number. I'm like, 558 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: I got. 559 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: A hug. 560 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: But I'm just wondering that's not true adequate Christmas. I 561 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: was just just wondering in that, like what do you do? 562 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: What do these parents do? Another reason that I'm glad 563 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: I don't have children in that so this would make 564 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: me panic, Yeah, trying to figure out what to do 565 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: for these kids who are like, hey, well this and this, 566 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: and especially you know, you see the really sad tales 567 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: of like kids wanting people to be healed or wanting 568 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 3: to help people and there's nothing you could do about this? 569 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: What do you do? 570 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not. 571 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: That is not a job I would want. Nope, Nope, nope. 572 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: Another job I wouldn't want being Santa Disney World. But 573 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: they also have now s they have their first black 574 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: men playing Santa. 575 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: I think I like it. Yeah, but yeah, there's no 576 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: way that sounds like a job. 577 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 4: It sounds like just a nightmare in general. 578 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: To have to have kids, one right after another. Tell 579 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: you like you hope it's great experiences, and I'm sure 580 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: the sweet ones are so fantastic, but then the ones 581 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, I really want to just push you down. 582 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: Right into the crass, like right, get away from me, kid, Yes, And. 583 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: I guess related. 584 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: Santa Con is back this year, So okay, what is this? 585 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: Is that just because I've seen pictures? Is it a race? 586 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 4: Is it just a convention? Is it? Someone tell me. 587 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: There might be a race involved, But it's a convention. 588 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: And it's sort of notorious for drunk people who address 589 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: to saying getting really drunk in like puking in the 590 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: streets and getting in fights on the streets in New York. 591 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: Oh fighting, Oh yeah, yes, don't. 592 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: There's so many things that worry me about this. Hey, 593 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: if y'all have gone, any of y'all have gone, and 594 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 3: you can tell us the tales of Santa con Please, 595 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: I'm very thoroughly confused. 596 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: Oh yes, any yeah, any convention can get a little 597 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: yes and please, if you've got any stories you want 598 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: to share, whether it's holiday related or resignation related, we 599 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: would love to hear from you. You can email us 600 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at i heeartneed dot com. 601 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 602 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. 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