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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast, Little Sunday Afternoon Pod,

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Speaker 1: because we had some weekend breaking news. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's out of nowhere because it had been a

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Speaker 1: little weird, but I don't think anyone expected Derek Carr

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Speaker 1: to retire, and that is what happened early Saturday morning.

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Speaker 1: That schefter broke the news that Derek Carr is retiring

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Speaker 1: after eleven seasons, eleven years as a starter, obviously nine

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Speaker 1: on the Raiders, a couple on the Saints, and now

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Speaker 1: he's Connor quit. So we will dive into that, which

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, Derek Carr.

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Speaker 1: Has I don't want to say officially but unofficially retired

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Speaker 1: from the National Football League and a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a shakra. Not not sure that most of us saw

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Speaker 1: this one coming though, been a weird. It feels like

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Speaker 1: last month or two with the back and forth with

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Speaker 1: ending surgery, with then them drafting a quarterback early in

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Speaker 1: the second round. It did not feel like Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to

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Speaker 1: the Saints because of Dennis Allen, who was obviously fired

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Speaker 1: last year. But there's no more guessing how the situation

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Speaker 1: is gonna play out. Is he gonna get surgery, is

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Speaker 1: Can Kellen Moore? Could they deal him? It's like, nope,

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Speaker 1: I'm done and you can retire at thirty four to

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Speaker 1: thirty five years old when you've made two hundred million

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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a very easy situation for any player,

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Speaker 1: I do respect how much he had to handle because

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Speaker 2: And he had nothing to do with any of them.

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Speaker 1: But I do think his career could have turned out

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Speaker 2: They are good. They are.

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Speaker 1: They have eleven wins going into Week fifteen, he throws

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Speaker 1: asked me, John, do you think Derek is pulling a

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton doing a retire to kind of pivot? And

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Speaker 1: A couple other things. Rookie mini camps have started all

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Speaker 1: over the NFL, and you know, obviously Chador and Doyan

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Speaker 1: Gabriel and all these quarterbacks taking reps and learning, learning

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Speaker 1: the plays and on the practice field. Obviously, when you

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Speaker 1: get drafted higher because of the any of the organization

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Speaker 1: is going to give you, they are going to be

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Speaker 1: more I would say, aggressively trying to make it look

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Speaker 1: you look good, and just spend and invest more time

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Speaker 1: in you, given that they invested a high resource at

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Speaker 1: a high pick and are paying you more money than

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Speaker 1: the rest of the draft class combined. But after a while,

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Speaker 1: if you're not good enough, you're not good enough. And

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Speaker 1: if the fourth round player by the middle of training

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Speaker 1: camp looks like he's a starter or is making plays

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Speaker 1: like he's gonna play, and he will play over the

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Speaker 1: first rounder if he is just objectively better. And so

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Speaker 1: all these guys were drafted all over the place. And

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Speaker 1: I saw Tom Brady kind of go on this rant.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what podcast he was on. It looked

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Speaker 1: like he was talking to like one of the Paul

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Speaker 1: brothers about like, listen, man, shador, everyone's making this big deal.

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Speaker 1: I told him, like, now it starts. I was drafted

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Speaker 1: way later than you were, buddy. Look where I'm sitting now.

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Speaker 1: So all these mini camps, all these other and then

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Speaker 1: training camp. You get to control your own destiny. Like

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Speaker 1: some guys make have more money in their bank account.

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Speaker 1: But just because I was drafted fourteenth or thirty seventh,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't guarantee me anything. Doesn't guarantee that I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be a good player, doesn't guarantee me that I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be a starter. It doesn't guarantee that I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: on the team in three or four years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think how many quarterbacks we've seen over the last several years,

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Speaker 1: drafted really high, who are now on other teams. It

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Speaker 1: was the big deal with like one thing that I

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Speaker 1: was told by scouting buddies. The thing with Shador is,

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Speaker 1: obviously his interviews went weird with the bad teams, and

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Speaker 1: I can't speak to those. I don't know anyone on

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Speaker 1: those teams. I wish I did, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: anyone on the Giants, so I can't. I've heard just

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Speaker 1: what you've heard about those situations. I do know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on teams that are deep in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and all those teams are viewed as teams that have quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: so he wouldn't talk to any of them. Well, those

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Speaker 1: teams interview everybody like you don't think the Kansasye Chiefs

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Speaker 1: interview guys that they aren't gonna draft because in three

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Speaker 1: or four years they might trade for that player, They

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Speaker 1: might acquire that player in waivers when he gets cut,

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Speaker 1: that guy might be on his team on the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: on the Bills, on the Eagles, on the Lions. And

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Speaker 1: when you just don't talk to those teams like they

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Speaker 1: don't get to know you. Yeah, they're probably not gonna

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Speaker 1: draft you, but that doesn't mean that they probably won't,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, sign you, trade for you, or acquire

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Speaker 1: you in the future.

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Speaker 2: This is the NFL. Guys move teams all the time.

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Speaker 2: And that's because.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a team as a high pick and then

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Speaker 1: a couple of years later, I'm not playing.

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Speaker 2: Well, why is that?

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Speaker 1: Because some dude in the later rounds, maybe even undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent, is in my spot. And it's the best

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Speaker 1: part about the NFL. And it starts now. Not that

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Speaker 1: you're able to glean that much from a time when

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Speaker 1: they're in shorts, shirt and a helmet, but this is

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Speaker 1: a great time if you're a young guy, to learn

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Speaker 1: that fucking playbook because when the pads do come on,

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Speaker 1: and it really separates the men from the boys. And listen,

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Speaker 1: hitting in practice, it's not like it was I'm sure

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty, forty years ago, but like the games are,

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Speaker 1: and you get to all the preseason reps and you

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Speaker 1: are judged incredibly, like with a fine tooth comb and

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Speaker 1: a microscope during that period of time in those plays,

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Speaker 1: and not even just by your team, the entire league

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Speaker 1: is evaluating you. So there's just a lot on the

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Speaker 1: line starting now. And listen, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys on the team. They are third, fourth, fifth year

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Speaker 1: guys that their spot's not even in jeopardy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the ultimate meritocracy, doggy dog world. Like if you

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Speaker 1: do not get it done, you will get replaced. There

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Speaker 1: are guys right now who are going to roll into

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Speaker 1: OTAs that have been the starter of the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years at guard, at linebacker, a slot receiver, it's

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Speaker 1: safety and are just looking at their wife or their

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Speaker 1: girlfriend or maybe hanging out with their mom today on

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day and just like I'm the starter, I'm the

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Speaker 1: starting guard for Team X, smiling, I'm making seven figs

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Speaker 1: I in three or four months, that guy will not

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Speaker 1: be the starter anymore, why he will have been beat

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Speaker 1: out by someone else. Could be a returning practice squad guy,

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Speaker 1: could be a fifth round pick, could be something someone

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Speaker 1: that he has never even met yet.

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Speaker 2: That's football, and.

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Speaker 1: Really it starts now. These next month plus are much

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Speaker 1: more mental than physical, but that mental carries right into

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Speaker 1: training camp, where then it becomes this combination of mentally

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Speaker 1: and physically taxing. Last, but not least, the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I don't think it was announced because

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Speaker 1: the schedule was supposed to come out later this week,

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Speaker 1: but I saw a report that this Brazil game is

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Speaker 1: going to be a thing, which I don't quite like.

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Speaker 1: I get playing the Friday night game, though I did see,

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Speaker 1: you know in this I forget who it was, Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tupperville or someone in politics made a comment of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the NFL forever just abided by the rules

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Speaker 1: that they weren't supposed to play in any Fridays from

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Speaker 1: like September through the middle of December. They have clearly

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Speaker 1: not given a you know what lately and they aren't

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Speaker 1: following any rules. But this Friday week one like they've

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Speaker 1: been playing it and they're clearly doing it again. And

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Speaker 1: it's going to be Chargers Chiefs, which is an awesome

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Speaker 1: basically second night of the year game. I mean last

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Speaker 1: year was Eagles Packers, which again was fantastic just in

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Speaker 1: terms of the brands, playoff teams, just a cool matchup,

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Speaker 1: and I think we just got to buckle up. So

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Speaker 1: unless someone in Washington tells them Fridays are still off

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Speaker 1: limits in September, guys, which who knows. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a little above my pay grade to even be able

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Speaker 1: to guess if that's even going to happen. But get

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Speaker 1: ready for this this Friday Brazil game. I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be one of the better games of the

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Speaker 1: year in terms of early season matchups, primetime game. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: the NFL loves It's funny when people say, like one

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Speaker 1: day we're gonna get football Monday through Sunday. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think we are. I mean, one of their greatest

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Speaker 1: attributes right now is the scarcity of the actual asset,

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Speaker 1: and that's the games. But they have spread more and

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Speaker 1: more over time, put more of these things on television,

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Speaker 1: and just because it's so fresh, it's early on preseason

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Speaker 1: is always such a letdown. We're so excited for football

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Speaker 1: and you watch like two series of a preseason game,

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Speaker 1: You're like, this is awful, So I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: complain and excited to watch Harbonugh Andy go at it

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little mail bag time at John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 1: gear questions, answer right here on the show again, just

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Speaker 1: my name, two f's. We will start with Sean. Been

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Speaker 1: listening to your podcast religiously for the last year. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that it's kind of embarrassing, but I just realized

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Speaker 1: I'd not liked and subscribed yet. You know we gotta

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Speaker 1: do that anyway, Charger fan, My question is about Greg Roman.

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Speaker 2: I love what Harbaugh's.

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Speaker 1: Brought to the table, and it looks like Jesse Minner

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Speaker 1: is going to go down the same path as McDonald

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Speaker 1: and Seattle.

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Speaker 2: But I worry about the offense.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a Roman couldn't figure out whether he

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Speaker 1: wanted to run heavy offense or let it rip. He

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Speaker 1: didn't exactly develop lamar during his first years while OC

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, which is concerning. Was he actually a good

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Speaker 1: OC on the Niners with Cap and alex Or was

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Speaker 1: a team so freaquently talented that any dude up the

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Speaker 1: street could have ran the offense. Is he just another

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Speaker 1: North turner from the Cowboy Dynasty, subpar played color but

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Speaker 1: had a loaded roster.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: He's a very polarizing individual. I remember his last year

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Speaker 1: with the Niners and that it ended up being Harbaughs

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Speaker 1: last year to Trent, Balkey's daughter tweeted, I think fire

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman. So everyone thought that, like, well, if she's

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Speaker 1: saying that, you know that Trent believes that. Obviously, I would.

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Speaker 2: Say, listen.

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Speaker 1: He is a big reason I think Alex looked solid

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Speaker 1: and then he changed the offense completely for Kaepernick and

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Speaker 1: then they ran. You know, his ability to utilize that

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Speaker 1: offense for Lamar won him an MVP. So I think

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman is better than.

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Speaker 2: He's talked about. Now is he.

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Speaker 1: If we did an OC draft of coaches that are

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Speaker 1: either head coaches or just the OC's, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to go in the top ten. But like,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing with Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is a

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Speaker 1: call the place. It's very rare that Jim Harbor, someone

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Speaker 1: in his position a former quarterback, is not the play caller.

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Speaker 1: But Jim Harbaugh is basically John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's like an organizational leader. Raw Rock guy

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Speaker 1: rab Ros sounds negative. I mean that in a positive way,

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Speaker 1: but he swears by this guy. So I think Greg

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Speaker 1: Roman's probably better than he gets credit for. But I

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Speaker 1: do think he is going to be under the microscope

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Speaker 1: this year headed end of the season. But also, Jim

652
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Speaker 1: Harbaughs philosophy is running the ball. So like while Jim

653
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: is not calling play in play out the plays, there

654
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Speaker 1: is no doubt in my mind that he's often on

655
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: the head side, like let's run it here, let's run

656
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Speaker 1: it here.

657
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Speaker 2: And what did they just do?

658
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: They draft a running back in the first round, So

659
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Speaker 1: I would get ready for the running game to thrive.

660
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Speaker 1: What they had in Baltimore, what they had in San

661
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Francisco elite run game forty nine ers were one of

662
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: the better running teams in the league with Frank Gore,

663
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: and they definitely were in Baltimore with lamar Win the MVP,

664
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Speaker 1: and they will be I would imagine with Hampton in

665
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: that running game. And now what do they They basically

666
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: drafted a running back in the first round. They also

667
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: signed Naji so they got two guys they plan on

668
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: running down your throat. How is it possible this from

669
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Speaker 1: another sean that the Dolphins are going to have another

670
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: season with a below average backup quarterback? Tua's injuries have

671
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: come completely derailed the previous seasons and left the team

672
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: utterly unwatchable. Knowing the injury history, They're gonna go into

673
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: a season with Zach Wilson who got beat out by

674
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Jared Siddam and Denver in seventh round. Quinn yours make

675
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Speaker 1: it make sense?

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00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know. I don't know what to

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Speaker 2: tell you.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, if I feel you as a Dolphins fan,

679
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna get really really ugly, really

680
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: really ugly, and then brighter.

681
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Days could be ahead. Big fan of the pod.

682
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Currently, as I drive through Davis, California on my way

683
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: to Sacramento, it reminded me of how you said you

684
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Speaker 1: grew up here. I know you used to live in

685
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: NorCal How would you compare life up there to Arizona

686
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: in terms of lifestyle, cost and overall vibe. Also curious

687
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: to hear your take as a Saints fan. With their

688
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: current quarterback situation looking shaky, do you think it makes

689
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: sense to trade Kamara while he still has value to

690
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: gain more draft capital. What's your prediction for the team's

691
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: direction over the.

692
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Speaker 2: Next few years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, born in Raisin, Davis, spent eighteen years of my life.

694
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd go back. My brother and mom lived there.

695
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: It's way different than the way I grew up, And

696
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: I would say just northern California feels a little different

697
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Speaker 1: than the Northern California I grew up in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: The Vibes comparing it to.

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Speaker 2: The vibes here.

700
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd put the vibes here are just elite.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would put the vibes in Scott's Dale,

702
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Arizona up against any lifestyle. I would say somewhat similar.

703
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: The West Coast lifestyle is just I would say, pretty

704
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: transferable to California. Never been to Vegas or lived in Vegas,

705
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: but I would imagine Vegas has a similar in Arizona.

706
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: Kind of just the culture of us as humans. Cost

707
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: of living, It probably just depends on where you live.

708
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there are areas that are outrageously expensive and

709
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: then their areas that are really cheap.

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Speaker 2: The biggest difference is the taxes.

711
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Speaker 1: So I'd say, yeah, I mean, the Kamara thing I would.

712
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Speaker 1: My guess is the Saints are not gonna mean it good.

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a rough year when your quarterback situation

714
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: is Shuck Rattler and and Jay Cayner, who's my guy.

715
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I like Jay Canner.

716
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an NFL quarterback, but my

717
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: guy Mark who invited me to this golf tournament that

718
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I've been at basically Thursday, Friday and Saturday, which was incredible,

719
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: playing with like Phil Mickelson's teammates from college. The vibes

720
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: there are really really high. I mean some good people.

721
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: I've been to a couple of these invited over the years.

722
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Country club one in the Bay Area. One here, I'd

723
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: say I put the vibes of the Arizona one. You know,

724
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: some former NFL guys. It was just it was strong,

725
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: it was the booze was flowing.

726
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: It was sweet.

727
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: But Mark, who invited me, who's a member out there.

728
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: His son's played college football. He played college football back

729
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: at San Diego, probably twenty plus years ago. And he

730
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: coached a little in this area, and he coached guys

731
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: like Mark Andrews. And he was saying, by far the

732
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: best players he's ever seen in high school were b

733
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Speaker 1: John Robinson, who is like, was like watching fucking Jim

734
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Brown and his prime playing high school.

735
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: It was stupid. And Spencer Rattler.

736
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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm in this guy, I mean played college football.

737
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: So he grew up in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: He's been around football for a long time. His son

739
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: was a Division one recruit playing Division one football. Now, like,

740
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: I value with this guy's take because I remember watching

741
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the Netflix thing. I'm like this he's just too douchey,

742
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: but he was saying he was really sweet, like really

743
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: really good. And then his career just got derailed at

744
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and then he kind of resurrected it last year

745
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: or two years ago at South Carolina. Then he had

746
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum going into to the Saints year.

747
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: But then obviously he's not gonna beat out Derek. But

748
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: then he started playing and it was kind of weird.

749
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: But you're like, how bad was the coaching? I wonder

750
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: if Spencer Rattler could beat out Shuck or it's impossible

751
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: because Kellen Moore is gonna want Shuck to be the guy.

752
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Situation is just weird. I know that the GM is

753
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: a political position, but I cannot wrap my head around

754
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: how Greer still has a job in Miami. He is

755
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the only GM hired before twenty one that doesn't have

756
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: a playoff win. In all, seven gms with a longer

757
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: tenure have been to a Super Bowl. He had five

758
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: first round picks over two years and didn't draft one

759
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: All Pro player. He's mismanaged contracts, his coaching hires are jokes,

760
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: and clearly other take advantage of him. How do you

761
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: guys like him keep their jobs, and then he ended

762
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: it with and apparently they don't usually, I would say

763
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: more than a coach, because a coach's work is just

764
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: so evident on game day, and game day is where

765
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: they pay the bills, even though the GM has a

766
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: huge say, But gms get to watch the game, typically

767
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: with the owner, so they can blame everything on the coach.

768
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: So it's easy to blame it on Mike McDaniel or

769
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio or the decordinator or how they're using guys,

770
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: or Tyreek Hill's attitude, right, and you never blame yourself

771
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: because I'm in total agreement. He's done a horrendous job.

772
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean he really has. I mean it's just like,

773
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: what is going on here? I think the come to

774
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Jesus moment for the franchise though, is I'm telling you,

775
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm all in on it being really really ugly this year.

776
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Now I can't speak. I don't know the guy. I

777
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: don't know Steven Ross bizarre place. Clearly, if I wanted

778
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: to defend Greer, I have come around to maybe agreeing

779
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: with like, I don't think you can win there. I

780
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: think it's impossible to win in Miami.

781
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's possible.

782
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Now, maybe if they had Sean McVay, would they have

783
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: a better chance.

784
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: Of course, But is that a place where you can

785
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: stay in winning.

786
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: I think we have a long enough kind of resume

787
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: now of the Internet era that like you're just not

788
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: winning there.

789
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: So maybe it's you could replace.

790
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Career with the next guy, Like if they had Howie Roseman,

791
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: would they have a better chance, of course? But I

792
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: do think it's much easier to build winning teams in

793
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Green Bay, in Philadelphia, in New England. It's kind of proven.

794
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: There's just a lot going on for good, rich, young

795
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: I said, good good looking, rich, in shape people in

796
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Miami that are famous. Clearly that just the fuck around

797
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: factor there is really really high. Why do the Steelers

798
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: continue to not see the light and adapt to the

799
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: modern NFL philosophy of offense wins championships? Do you think

800
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: it'll take them being really bad to finally cave and

801
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: legitimately invest in the quarterback position? They just stockpile of

802
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: picks they have possibly moved off.

803
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: TJ. Watt or Mika Fitzpatrick big fan of the show.

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00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, i I'll never forget when arians was

805
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: fired from the Steelers for not running the ball, So

806
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: we can blame Tomlin. But like the culture in that

807
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: organization goes back to the seventies, right.

808
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: The culture of.

809
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: The Cowboys is, how do we strike a deal, how

810
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: do we get some star player for a fourth round pick. Well, Jerry,

811
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: you don't that's not the way it works. If you

812
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: want to get some legit player, pay them some cash

813
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: on the open market. You're not going to trade for

814
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: George Pickens and think, like, God, we got to steal here.

815
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: Every team in the league could have had the guy.

816
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: They all said no.

817
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: So it's like Jerry is the reason that they make

818
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: some of these crazy deals and ultimately, beside a couple

819
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: guys in their team, don't spend that much cash. But

820
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the thing with the Cowboys, like everyone just blames Jerry,

821
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: where I think you get some of these other places

822
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: Tomlin takes a lot of shit.

823
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: It's like, you don't think.

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00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Tomlin looks around and like Baltimore has went from like

825
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: basically they were the Steelers two point zero and then

826
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: they've just completely changed with Lamar, Cincinnati got Joe Burrow

827
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: and they throw it all the time.

828
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: You don't think he realizes that.

829
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Speaker 1: I do think you could argue it's like the Rooney's

830
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: organizational philosophy, his old school toughness defense, which I'm all for,

831
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: Like that that's never gonna go out of style, right

832
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: that there are certain things in any walk of life

833
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: that are always gonna work. You know, I will teach

834
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Speaker 1: my child to look someone in the eye and shake

835
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Speaker 1: their hand, right, just like are you gonna shake less

836
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: hands in twenty forty than you would have in nineteen eighty?

837
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: Probably?

838
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: But to me, that's never going old. You could argue,

839
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: like the thank you note shit, we still I mean

840
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: got a to do list that we have got an

841
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: attack here thank you note to for our wedding? Could

842
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: you argue the thank you note little outdated?

843
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: Right? I mean?

844
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: Do I need a thank you note or email or

845
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: text message work? Probably? But again the thank you note

846
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: still has a lot of power. Is a thank you

847
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: note going to exist in twenty years?

848
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Maybe not?

849
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Speaker 1: But I never followed anyone from teaching their child or.

850
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: Writing a thank you note? Right? There is power behind it, right.

851
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: I do think you could look at the Roonies and

852
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: go like, I do understand what you.

853
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: See, but like, what are we doing? Guys?

854
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Because if the Rooney's told everybody like, hey, we need

855
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback high. Now, maybe they'd argue we

856
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: did that a couple of years agoing to blow up

857
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: in our face. I'd say, yeah, it was Kenny Pickett.

858
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Question for the bag, what's up with the whole JJ

859
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: is a handoff merchant narrative. Even if that's the case,

860
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: the Vikings would still be the perfect fit for him.

861
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Upgraded a line, two starting caliber backs and the quarterback whisper.

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00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: I think it's just because.

863
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: They are depending on a guy that in big games

864
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: against the best teams, you get to third and seven

865
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: to third and twelve, second and long against the Green

866
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Bay Packers ENTI game in the fourth quarter. This is

867
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Speaker 1: not like in Michigan. They out talented everybody, just what

868
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Mac Jones did the same thing with Sabing. We just

869
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: have better players than you. And in the NFL, the

870
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Vikings are loaded their roster man for man.

871
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 2: Is one of the best in the league.

872
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: But like, you're still gonna make some passes and he

873
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: comes from an offense that didn't rely on him to

874
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: do that, So can he do that? Obviously physically he

875
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: can make the passes, but is he gonna be comfortable

876
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: doing that big picture you like, develop that guy totally.

877
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: But what makes his situation unique is like if I

878
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: told you if you're a Vikings fan and said you're

879
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: one and done in the playoffs, that'd be pretty disappointing.

880
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that your aspirations are win the Super

881
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Bowl this year, but it's like being the mix for

882
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. Standard that the I would say

883
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: the expectations and the ambitions of the fans and the

884
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: team are pretty high. A lot of rookie quarterbacks get

885
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: to kind of fly under the radar.

886
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: He does not.

887
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: Like for example, if Tyler Shuck wins the job for

888
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: the Saints, they could win four games. He throws twenty

889
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: five touchdowns, it's a successful year. It's not even about

890
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: the stats with JJ, It's about winning and making big

891
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: plays and not throwing picks and making big passes. Like

892
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: It's just it's an intense environment. Even if that's two

893
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: or three passes a game, obviously he's throw more than that,

894
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like they are gonna be two

895
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: or three passes in the second half, They're gonna be

896
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: highly scrutinized. What's your opinion on the Kiwan Williams contract situation.

897
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: The Rams in recent history haven't paid their running backs

898
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: big money since Gurley. No chance they're paying him zero.

899
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: I would imagine which is the right business move. You

900
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: just play out this season. If he has a huge

901
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: bounce back and can hold onto the ball, maybe you

902
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: would entertain.

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: Franchising and probably not, but yeah, he's running back.

904
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: Solid player. Draft another one, longtime listener. I mean I

905
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: actually like them. Fumbling issues like, to me, if you

906
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: have bad hands, right, you see some of these receivers,

907
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: so just don't have good hands, like that's usually maybe

908
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: you can, like incrementally small, small minute details improve like

909
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: from you know, if one to ten, if your hands

910
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: are a four, maybe over the course of several years

911
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: you can turn them into a five. But you're never

912
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna have hands like Chris Carter right Marvin Harrison, like,

913
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: your hands are always gonna be average. I do think

914
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: fumbling is something that can be fixed.

915
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: We saw it with.

916
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: Tiki run Tiki Barber like. Fumbling is something that you

917
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: can actively work too, correct so point of pressure. I'm

918
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: a running back coach, but I do feel more confident

919
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: in fixing a fumbling issue than working on certain things

920
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: like it's if you're a four to six guy, you're

921
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: never going to be a four to four guy, like

922
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: you're always going to be slow relative of the NFL. Right,

923
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: to me, fumbling is something like I do think it's

924
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: a tangible, specific thing that you can work on and

925
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: there are coaching points and we've just actually seen it.

926
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Just like accuracy with quarterbacks, some guys are going to

927
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: be inaccurate, but there are definitely ways that you can

928
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: help that out with better footwork, you know, more rhythm,

929
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: more understanding of the offense. Lifetime Saints fan I bleed

930
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: Black and Gold personally think the Saints are primed to

931
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: be a dark horse in the South this year. I

932
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: think a guy with a lot of upside and elite

933
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: traits like Shuck really takes their quarterback room to a

934
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: new level. Also, I think the Brandon Staley higher will

935
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: pay dividends come mid year. Thoughts, I think you just

936
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: have so much unknown with the quarterback. He is old, right,

937
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: so he's a lot of experience coming into the year.

938
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: We saw bo Knicks. It shouldn't be too big for him.

939
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: He's played in big programs, he's played in big games.

940
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: He's seen it all, so there's a maturity coming. If

941
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: you use Knicks as an example, I would use Pennix

942
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: as example too, But Peni's only got to start the

943
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: last couple of games. If Penix had started the whole season,

944
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: I do think him and Knicks we're just like plug

945
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: and play ready. Now I don't mean plug and play

946
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: ready to be sweet. I just mean plug and play ready.

947
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: I like Penix and I'm rooting for Penix, but he

948
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: sitting Penix makes no sense like he was ready to.

949
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: Roll Tyler Shuck ready to roll.

950
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: But how good You're gonna be very dependent on who's

951
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: around you. They do have Kamara, Chris Lave is a

952
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: good player. The one dude twenty two who got hurt

953
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the year can fly, playmaker. He's interesting.

954
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: Their tight ends pretty good. They've invested multiple first round

955
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: picks these last two years in offensive linemen Banks and

956
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: the Oregon State kid last year is good. So they've

957
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: invested a lot in that unit. And they got an

958
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: offensive head coach who's gonna call the plays. So yeah,

959
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the offense if the quarterback is good,

960
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: which is an unknown, I wouldn't bet on him being good.

961
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet on him necessarily be med. If you

962
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: told me he's just solid, I'd believe you. If like

963
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: he's just a starter in the league for five or

964
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: six years, I think that's believable. But I do think

965
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: the Saints defense, like I think Brandon Saley's aready overrated.

966
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: I think he got a lot of credit for the Rams,

967
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: who have a loaded defense. I got news for you.

968
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: Anyone who's the defensive coordinator of the Rams is good.

969
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: Why they have good players, they scout well, they have

970
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: a good organizational philosophy of toughness.

971
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: And he did it.

972
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: One year with like the greatest player one of them

973
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: in the history of the league in the prime of

974
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: his career and Jalen Ramsey who was in the prime

975
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: of his career. We witnessed in with the Chargers was embarrassing,

976
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: and then I saw another coach come in that knows

977
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: what he's doing and their defense was good. So to me,

978
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: the offense, I would be more bullish on your guys

979
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: offense than I would be on Brandon Staley in the defense.

980
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen is a much better defensive coach than Brandon Staley.

981
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: What's up, man, big fan, I've got two questions for you. First,

982
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: Big Lions Fan, how do you think we should approach

983
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: upgrade in the defense while keeping the space out of

984
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: our star players extensions? I feel like we need another

985
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: true edge rusher. Curious how you manage that balance. My

986
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: second question is more personal. This time next year, I'll

987
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: have my bachelor's in computer science. I have an internship

988
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: lined up that'll pay really well after a year, but

989
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I won't be making money in the beginning and really

990
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: don't want to move back home. I've also been considering

991
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: just jumping into the job right after graduation to stay independent.

992
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: What's your opinion. Let me start with your second question.

993
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: I didn't make very much money early on, and I

994
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: was just you had to like focus on the big picture.

995
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: One thing I knew, and this is no shot at

996
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: my parents, who did an awesome job and couldn't have

997
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: been any more supportive emotionally just over the course of

998
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: my life and supported me in it whatever I wanted

999
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: to do, Like you know, me going into football. This

1000
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: was not like I didn't grow up in the Shanahan's household.

1001
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: My dad was a farmer, my mom worked at the

1002
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: state capital.

1003
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't.

1004
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you should do that. Most people was like,

1005
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: be a doctor, be a lawyer. Obviously I wasn't smart

1006
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: enough to do any either of those who are have

1007
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: any interest. But my point is like it would have

1008
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: been easy for them to be like, what are you doing?

1009
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: But I did it. Again, no shade at them. I

1010
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: was never ever ever.

1011
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: Moving back in once I left. When I went to college,

1012
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I was never coming back home. That was never an option.

1013
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: So for me, the number one thing, like I could

1014
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: never live with them again. Once I left, I was going.

1015
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: Your boy was out spreading his wings. Now, whether I

1016
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: had to live in the shittiest apartment, whether I had

1017
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: to do whatever I had to do. I also like,

1018
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, while some of my friends were doing well,

1019
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: traveling and partying in their mid twenties, like I worked

1020
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: a lot, didn't bother me. Now it's a little different

1021
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: day and age. Internet wasn't quite as strong in terms

1022
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: of social media, So your fomo, I enjoyed what I did,

1023
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: but like, my life was a little different than some people.

1024
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: And if you can stomach like having a little shitty

1025
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: er start, but do it on your own. I do

1026
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of it's impossible to quantify, but

1027
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: I do think the benefits for your self confidence after

1028
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: that are pretty strong. And it's like, I just needed

1029
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: my own I couldn't go from college doing whatever I

1030
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: wanted whenever I wanted to ever going back there. It

1031
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't happening.

1032
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: I understand some people. You know.

1033
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: I also never worked in that area necessarily, so it

1034
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: wasn't even something that was on the table. But if

1035
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: that's something that means a lot to you, don't do

1036
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: it and figure out a way. And if that means

1037
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: living a little crappier situation for a year, I think

1038
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: you'll look back and it'll make for a good story

1039
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: and you'll be glad that you do that.

1040
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: The Lions, I.

1041
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: Mean part of they draft the defensive tackle in this draft, right.

1042
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean they've drafted multiple front seven players around Hutchinson

1043
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. I mean that's part

1044
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: of the way the sport works. I mean, I I thought, hey,

1045
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: if Miles Garrett gets traded, if Max Christy gets traded,

1046
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: the Lion should go all in. Well, not only did

1047
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: neither of them get traded, they got to combine like

1048
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars in guaranteed dollars. So

1049
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they should. I mean, you

1050
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: can't get mad at them for not trading for those guys.

1051
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: They weren't even available. I think the lines are fine,

1052
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: and let me hammer that home again. Find a way,

1053
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: don't move in with your parents back in and I

1054
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: understand it's like a lot of people do it, and listen,

1055
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't have a choice. But if you have

1056
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: a job they can pay, just keep your head above

1057
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: water and you gotta eat ramen like you don't always

1058
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: have to live great. I know everyone on Instagram thinks

1059
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: everyone's living like a king.

1060
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: That's just not the fact that life.

1061
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: A big fan of the pod question, could you see

1062
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: a world where the Vikings win fourteen games with JJ McCarthy.

1063
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: I believe he's about eighty percent of advertised It's certainly possible,

1064
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: improve defense with Flores returning, and improved offensive line and

1065
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: run game, as well as arguably a top five receiver.

1066
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: Am I insane or is just another year of media

1067
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: underrating the Vikings?

1068
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: Well?

1069
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: I would say if you had a top ten quarterback

1070
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: on your team, you are you know, competing for the

1071
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: one seed. Sam Darnold last year was a top ten

1072
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFC or in the NFL, and you

1073
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: competed for the one seed right up into the last

1074
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: regular season game. That's in your teams on paper is

1075
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: even better now, I would say, and I think you

1076
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: guys would agree. Relatively healthy, right, you lost your left tackle.

1077
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: I forget which week that was, eight, ten, twelve, But

1078
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: for the most part, like Jefferson, you know your defensive guys.

1079
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: Did Addison get injured? I don't think he really did.

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Speaker 2: I think you guys were mostly healthy.

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Speaker 1: So assuming health, if JJ just has to be like

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00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: a top fifteen quarterback and you're winning twelve thirteen games,

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: the thing is we just is great.

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Speaker 2: Unknown.

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Speaker 1: What's he gonna look like on the road Week three

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Speaker 1: in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: And its raining. I don't know. There's just no way

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00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: to know.

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Speaker 1: Congrats Happy Fugazi Friday got a mailbag question. I'm a

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Speaker 1: high volume NFL Best ball player, shout out to your

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Speaker 1: sponsor DK. Do you foresee any macro changes to the

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00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: NFL strategy that could lead to micro edges in fantasy,

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: For example, more running or more passing than in recent years,

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00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: more rotations and committees at running back first, more workhorse rules.

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: I actually think the workhorse kind of back. You know,

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00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: you just saw Hampton get drafted in the first round,

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I know they signed Naji Harris, Like, that guy's

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna have a massive workload these next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: You know, if Christian.

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey's healthy, he gets all the touches. Sakwon Barkley gets

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Speaker 1: all the touches, right, So you'd argue the running game

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Speaker 1: or shifting. You just Sean Payton is so excited for

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00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: that UCF running back, the guy the Steelers just drafted

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00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: from Iowa. That guy's gonna be good. Caleb Johnson, that

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00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: guy's a really good player. So I do think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more guys get heavy workloads and

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Speaker 1: the run game because in the NFL, the rules you know,

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00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: for passing one. If your quarterback situation is just somewhat questionable,

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00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: the easiest way to help that is a running game.

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: And it's because of the rules and the physicality of

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: the game has changed a little bit. The line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: Offensive line, defensive line is the one area where you

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00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: can get after it. And if you draft well, and

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: you build a good offensive line, like you can run

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Speaker 1: the ball down people's throps.

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Speaker 2: That's why the Eagles DoD It's why the forty nine

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00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: ers with their scheme do it. I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: Cook with the Bills.

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Speaker 1: So I think that we're getting I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say a renaissance, but I think teams are much more

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Speaker 1: inclined to ride these guys.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The hard part is in fantasy. I'm not a huge

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00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: fantasy guy. I've played a little DFS in my day,

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Speaker 1: but haven't you guys always And I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what best ball is, but like, don't you guys always

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: draft running backs pretty highly. It's not like they're in an

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Speaker 1: undervalued position.

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Speaker 2: So I do.

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Speaker 1: I do think the lead backs coming back. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: the lead back question for the mailback, what did you

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00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: think of the Chargers? I know some didn't like them

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: taking Hampton in the first round, but I think he

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00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: fits perfectly. Also, at the end of the wildcard loss

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: of the Texans said that he felt they did Herbert

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: a disservice, and I think with the offensive players they

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: chose over the weekend will really elevate the offense. I

1138
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: feel like some are sleeping on them. What do you

1139
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: think think about Harbaugh's success, you know, post Andrew Luck,

1140
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: which he had, I mean as a full time star.

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00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: I think for one year that he left, then Shahgat

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00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: But with the forty nine Ers, Frank Gore played a huge,

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01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: huge role for Jim Harbo's success. I think Jim's Harbaugh

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: still to this day calls Frank Gore like his favorite

1145
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: NFL player. Ever, so if I go to Frank Gore

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: his stat page, I bet so. In twenty eleven, when

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh gets there, he runs for twelve hundred yards, twelve

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01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: hundred yards, eleven hundred yards, eight eight nine touchdowns, but

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: he also catches seventeen, twenty eight and sixteen. He actually

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: caught the ball less than he did. That's actually something

1151
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. I wonder if Greg Roman

1152
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: is going to throw the ball to.

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: The running back.

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Speaker 1: At the time the forty nine Ers, they had multiple

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Speaker 1: running backs, but Frank Gore is a pretty good pass

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: They honestly probably underutilized him in the passing game. But

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that, I mean, it's gonna be, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna work. And then look at Michigan. I mean, his

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Speaker 1: best team had Kuorum, Gus Edwards, not Gus Edwards who

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Speaker 1: was the running back? I think two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 1: three Michigan football stats. What's that kid's name? Not Gus Edwards,

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: rushing Donovan Edwards, who I think had a bad injury.

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Speaker 2: I I think he got drafted.

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Speaker 1: Blake Koram had twenty seven touchdowns. Blake Koram's stats essentially looked.

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Speaker 2: Like Frank Gore.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight carries. This is in twenty twenty three, fifteen games.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty eight carries, thirteen hundred yards, twenty

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Speaker 1: seven touchdowns, sixteen catches.

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Speaker 2: They did throw the ball.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Chargers are gonna throw the ball

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Speaker 1: as much to Hampton, and they throw it to whoever

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: the bat maybe nause something to keep an eye on.

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: Hampton's gonna work. Hampton's gonna be good. Okay, last question,

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Speaker 1: So I think the Giants had a good draft, better

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Speaker 1: than people think. Dart won't start this year barring any

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01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: major circumstance, but I think the kid can play.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Skataboo.

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Speaker 1: I was around a lot of Arizona State guys the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days. I mean Diehart's I mean dudes

1180
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: that have been around the program before Tillman and Plumber

1181
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: got there. They talk about Skataboo like he's Jim Brown

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01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: or Walter Payton.

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Speaker 2: I mean his season.

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Speaker 1: For the people around this program, he's a really, really

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01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: big deal. And I got asked a lot about what

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01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: I thought, and I said, because a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, are rooting for him. But I think the

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Speaker 1: question I constantly heard of Scataboo was like, well, he

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Speaker 1: just runs over everybody. How is that going to translate

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Speaker 1: to the NFL? And I say, historically, it's a risky

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: proposition drafting running backs that run guys over. It's like

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Speaker 1: drafting wide reciss that just only catch contested balls. That's

1193
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Speaker 1: something In the NFL, It's like it gets.

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01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: A lot harder to do.

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Speaker 1: And I would agree that the contested thing is still

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01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: a big red flag if that's most of your plays,

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: not a route run or whatever, you just body guys up.

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Speaker 1: Like if you just think this is the next DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: probably not. It's like this is the next Draymond Green?

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Speaker 1: You have We've heard that for a decade. None of

1201
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: them turned out to be to me.

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Speaker 2: Skataboo.

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: His short, airy quickness is excellent and he has great hands.

1204
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: But like the NFL, if this was two thousand or

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, I'd be like, he's not gonna be

1206
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: able to run these guys over. These guys are just

1207
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 1: bigger and stronger than him. But think about the NFL now,

1208
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: most of these linebackers don't weigh two hundred and sixty

1209
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy pounds. You're not seeing Ken Norton Junior.

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Speaker 2: In the hole.

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Speaker 1: Greg Lloyd and Kevin Green aren't chasing you down. So

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01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: the size of the guys you're running over. I think

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Speaker 1: the forty nine or drafted a guy from Oklahoma State

1214
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: that was like two hundred and twenty five pounds the game,

1215
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: and Howie Roseman.

1216
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: Talked about this after the draft.

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Speaker 1: It's a speed in space game. So a guy likes

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01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: Skataboo actually benefits from a lot of smaller, quicker guys

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01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: on the field. Now, they can run him down, but

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Speaker 1: if they're meeting him in the hole, I like his chances,

1221
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: So I actually think his style. Now, is he gonna

1222
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: have a fifteen year career? I don't know, But is

1223
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: he gonna play in the league one thousand and Listen,

1224
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: it's sometimes when you try to dunk over guys get

1225
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: the ball blocked. He is going to try to run

1226
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 1: some guys over and he is gonna get hit hard.

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Speaker 1: He's also gonna light some dues up because some of these,

1228
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: even the safeties now, are that how many There's Cam

1229
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: Chancellor isn't in the NFL. There's no John Lynch or

1230
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: Steve Atwater coming down the hole to fucking light him up.

1231
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: Look at the sides of.

1232
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Speaker 1: These safeties that are drafted over the last couple of years,

1233
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: They're not as big. Kyle Hamilton is an outlier. So

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01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: I actually think the league the dynamics of the size

1235
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: to fit Skataboo and I forget the guy's name. I'm

1236
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: not It's been a long couple of days boozing a

1237
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of sun and I'm just out of football mode.

1238
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: But the rookie they drafted last year from the Giants

1239
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: is a good player. Of the rookie, I think Skataboo's

1240
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna be good. They're gonna have a good running back room.

1241
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Their running back room is gonna be solid. I'm still

1242
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: a little surprised they picked up Kvon's fifth year option.

1243
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't think every team in the league would have

1244
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: done that.

1245
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: But I'm bullish on Scataboo again. Shorter term career. You know,

1246
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: if you said over under how many years does he

1247
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, like five and a half, and

1248
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, I might take the under. I'm not expecting

1249
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: like a ten year running I'm not expecting Frank Gore here.

1250
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: But because if you're gonna play a long time at

1251
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: running back, the reason Frank did. Frank didn't run people over.

1252
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: He got down, he got out of bounds, he made

1253
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: you missed, he hit that. He just did not take hits.

1254
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: It's honestly the most underrated skill Frank Gor's career was

1255
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: like he did not end up in that many collisions, Like, yeah,

1256
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: that was not really his game. He he's not playing,

1257
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: you know.

1258
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: Skataboo is like George Kittle. It's like, oh shit, should

1259
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: I get out of bounds?

1260
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1261
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: I see three dbs over there.

1262
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: Let's lower my shoulder and go seek contact, which I'm

1263
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of for running backs because I

1264
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: think it just shortens your career. But like, if that's

1265
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: your skill set, that's your skill set.

1266
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: And you write it out. They took him in the

1267
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: fourth round.

1268
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: So if the Giants get a couple of years of

1269
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: him playing well like that's fine.

1270
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: That's all they're really looking for.

1271
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: If they get i don't know, forty games over the

1272
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: next five years i've been playing at a high level,

1273
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: that they're good. I'm bullish on Scataboo for sure. The

1274
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Speaker 1: volume