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Speaker 1: the old republic, the sole fashion of fairness. He treats
Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich
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Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben
Speaker 1: Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. We are
Speaker 1: back at it again. The weekend is here on a
Speaker 1: Friday as we kick off festivities here the Fifth Hour.
Speaker 1: If you're new to the show, if some new people listening,
Speaker 1: I understand, especially today that probably not normally listeners, that
Speaker 1: this is a spinoff of the Overnight show. We do
Speaker 1: five nights a week, the Ben Mather Show, and it
Speaker 1: is only in the podcast format, and unlike the shackles
Speaker 1: of overnight sports talk radio, we can go anywhere, right,
Speaker 1: we had the whole landscape that we can go any
Speaker 1: place we want on this podcast. And we do this
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Speaker 1: only available on the podcast format, not broadcast on commercial radio.
Speaker 1: And we are joined again by West of the four
Speaker 1: oh five David Gascon with his own sound effects. Here
Speaker 1: is this is this is gonna be extra spicy hot today.
Speaker 1: I am preparing for the negative feedback that we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna get, but I I'm okay with that. Excited. So
Speaker 1: we've we've actually had our our guests on deck for
Speaker 1: about two months and um, so obviously scheduling and whatnot
Speaker 1: needed to come into one and it finally did. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it, especially because of the time that
Speaker 1: we're in right now and also with the dead period
Speaker 1: of the national from a football league. UM, I'm gigged
Speaker 1: up about it. Yeah, So every Friday we try to
Speaker 1: have someone on. You know, we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: radio friends on that have come in here and hung
Speaker 1: out with us. Sports radio guys are colleagues at Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We've had in here. We had a comedian
Speaker 1: last week. We've had an eclectic group of people that
Speaker 1: have come in. We've had former athletes and now we
Speaker 1: can add from the world of academia and not often,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a dumb sports guy that I
Speaker 1: get to talk to somebody who's educated and worldly into
Speaker 1: all of that. But I am excited here now before
Speaker 1: we welcome in who we're going to chat with. I
Speaker 1: must put the standard disclaim around. If you are easily
Speaker 1: triggered by a commentary about society and wokeness and cancel
Speaker 1: culture and that type of thing, I get it. If
Speaker 1: you can't handle a pushback against that, this would not
Speaker 1: be the podcast for you if you're closed minded. But
Speaker 1: if you're willing to listen in here and you wanna
Speaker 1: you want to hear what this man has to say,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to you here in a second. And
Speaker 1: it's a perfect podcast because it really resonates with a
Speaker 1: lot of the things we've been battling in the sporting world,
Speaker 1: right with the wokeness, the woke mcwoke as we'd like
Speaker 1: to call it in these parts, and social media, with
Speaker 1: the what's real and what's not real, Like it's all
Speaker 1: tied together. So we're gonna get into as much of
Speaker 1: that as we can. And the person who is joining
Speaker 1: us today a well respected figure on on social media.
Speaker 1: He's been teaching, he's he's tenure. Dr goad Sad is
Speaker 1: his name. He is the author of The Parasitic Mind,
Speaker 1: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing a Common sense? But he
Speaker 1: is a Lebanese Canadian and a very public intellectual. He
Speaker 1: is the Professor of Marketing at the John Molson School
Speaker 1: of Business at Montreal's Concordia University. He has spent time
Speaker 1: at several other institute over the years. I guess gun
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to chatting with Dr. Dr said
Speaker 1: here and getting into a number of different things. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have. Do you have any friends their Lebanese? I
Speaker 1: had when I was When I was younger, there were
Speaker 1: a few kids in school, but I currently not my
Speaker 1: circle of friends. I don't know I have one. I
Speaker 1: went to a small Catholic elementary school in my hometown,
Speaker 1: San Pedro, and the rival school which is called Mary Star.
Speaker 1: I played up against a guy like flag football as
Speaker 1: a kid. But this this kid, who was like eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve at the time, looked like a full grown man,
Speaker 1: just built like a box, had a receding hairline, sideburns,
Speaker 1: and the mustache. And I thought, man, this guy, there's
Speaker 1: no way this dude is is my age. And then
Speaker 1: we graduated elementary school, we turned into the same high
Speaker 1: school and we became really good friends. And we called
Speaker 1: him the Moose. His name is Maurice, but we call
Speaker 1: him the Moose. Um, he showed me a fascinating scar
Speaker 1: when we got to learn about him and obviously his family,
Speaker 1: and he showed me his stomach and he's got like
Speaker 1: washboard six board abs and a scar in the middle
Speaker 1: of his stomach. And I said, Moose, what's that scar from?
Speaker 1: And he said it's a it's from surgery. I said,
Speaker 1: from one. He said, there's a bullet lodged next to
Speaker 1: my spine and the doctors couldn't get it out. He
Speaker 1: was shot as a kid in Lebanon, and his parents
Speaker 1: obviously fleet Lebanon, I think when he was like three
Speaker 1: or four years of age and came to the Nited States. Um,
Speaker 1: his parents have gone back on several occasions. But obviously
Speaker 1: it's it's extremely dangerous. But the Moose is the one
Speaker 1: friend that I had it's Lebanese and still have. And
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. And uh, he's personable, he's charismatic,
Speaker 1: and he's just like the docks. So, um, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited to have the dock in the house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's got a YouTube channel, The Sad truth S a
Speaker 1: a d hundreds of thousands of followers on there. He's
Speaker 1: very popular on Twitter as well. And he's done some
Speaker 1: big podcasts, Like he's really coming down. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's hanging out in the mud with the common people
Speaker 1: here because he's been on Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin,
Speaker 1: who we've had on Jordan Peterson. These are some big,
Speaker 1: major figures in the podcast world, and he's done all
Speaker 1: those shows and he's he's coming to our level here,
Speaker 1: which is cool. And he's in a different for him
Speaker 1: because he's taking shots from everybody. But then as much
Speaker 1: incoming fire as he gets, he throws it right back,
Speaker 1: especially at some of the celebrities, some of the athletes. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid of spar at all. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. We welcome in now to the
Speaker 1: Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon Dr Gad
Speaker 1: Sad from Montreal joining us. And before we get into
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of this doc, I did read
Speaker 1: that you spent some time at you see, Irvine. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Irvine, so I feel like we have
Speaker 1: a bond there. What was your experience in southern California?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, well, listen, uh, I lived in California for
Speaker 1: a few years, as you said, as a visiting professor
Speaker 1: at U C Irvine. But I but my my relationship
Speaker 1: with Southern California goes back to because one of my
Speaker 1: brothers had moved to California, I think in eighty four,
Speaker 1: and so in eighty five was the first summer that
Speaker 1: I hung out in so called at the time, he
Speaker 1: lived in Manhattan Beach. So he moved from first Manhattan Beach,
Speaker 1: then he moved to a place called Via Ledo and
Speaker 1: Newport Beach, and then he moved to Laguna Beach. And
Speaker 1: so Southern California has been, you know, sort of a
Speaker 1: second home to me since the mid eighties. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, my experience is that I'm desperate to return
Speaker 1: to live there permanently, and somehow I haven't found a
Speaker 1: way to make it out there on a permanent basis.
Speaker 1: We gotta get you back. Somebody should hire you, bab.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how that works in the
Speaker 1: academic world that you are in, but you know, somebody
Speaker 1: shouldn't me really, And so you are the professor of
Speaker 1: marketing at the your professor marketing at John Molson's School
Speaker 1: of Business in Montreal and Cordia University there, and you're
Speaker 1: domain I guess that I was reading about psychological evolutionary
Speaker 1: psychology rather as applied to business. So for the person
Speaker 1: that's never heard of you, get, how would you describe
Speaker 1: what you do day to day? Right? So I mean
Speaker 1: I wear you mean specifically in my scientific career or
Speaker 1: across all differents, just just in jenif for the layman
Speaker 1: who maybe has you know heard about you? And you
Speaker 1: I know you've been a lot of podcasts and you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of media and stuff. But but for
Speaker 1: those that haven't heard of who you are, what exactly
Speaker 1: is your work? Yeah? So scientifically, what what I do
Speaker 1: is I uh, marry if you'd like evolutionary biology, consumer
Speaker 1: psychology well as relevant in the business school. So basically
Speaker 1: what I look at are the fundamental biologic call drivers
Speaker 1: that make us the consumers that we are. And so
Speaker 1: how do our hormones affect our behavior? What happens to
Speaker 1: Ben and David to their testosterone levels? If I put
Speaker 1: you in a Porsche? What happens to Ben and David's
Speaker 1: testosterone levels? If you see another guy, a competitor in
Speaker 1: a Porsche, And as I'm sure you can predict, you
Speaker 1: can you could probably guess what will happen to your testosterons.
Speaker 1: In those two scenarios, I look at things like, how
Speaker 1: do women's ovulatory cycles, which is of course shaped by
Speaker 1: their own hormones, how that affects how they beautify themselves
Speaker 1: across the menstrual cycle. So I look at the biological
Speaker 1: physiological drivers of consumer behavior. Now that's really quite novel
Speaker 1: in the context of the business school, because until I
Speaker 1: came along and pioneered the field of evolutionary consumption, no
Speaker 1: one was ever applying biology to study who we are
Speaker 1: as managers, as employers, as employees, as you know, personnel,
Speaker 1: as financial traitors, which struck me as insane, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't suddenly lose our biological heritage when we put
Speaker 1: on our hats as boss or as employee, or as
Speaker 1: consumer and so over the much of my career, what
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do is what I call Darwinized
Speaker 1: the business school. So that's my scientific work. Now, I
Speaker 1: also am someone who's not a stay in here lane professor.
Speaker 1: In other words, I like to mix it up, and
Speaker 1: so very early in my career I decided that I
Speaker 1: also wanted to engage with the public. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to just publish, you know, for fellow academics and fellow scientists,
Speaker 1: and so I weigh in on all sorts of issues,
Speaker 1: some of which are relevant to my scientific work and
Speaker 1: others that are not. So I'm really someone who likes
Speaker 1: to wear multiple hats and I love that. And in
Speaker 1: this climate though, and and I know you're in Canada,
Speaker 1: but in this climate in general, Like, how how difficult
Speaker 1: has this been for you? Because you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut on some things where a lot
Speaker 1: of other people don't say anything, You're actually putting your
Speaker 1: neck out there. So, uh, how what is this last
Speaker 1: couple of years been like for you? It's very tough because,
Speaker 1: as you correctly pointed, uh, academia is probably the place
Speaker 1: that is most you know, paracitized by political bias. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's where all of the what I call idea pathogens
Speaker 1: in my latest book, they all originate from academia. And
Speaker 1: so it's tough because you know, if you know, if
Speaker 1: being someone who is outspoken in Hollywood is stuff, or
Speaker 1: being someone who's outspoken in the media stuff, then you
Speaker 1: really don't want to be outspoken the way that I
Speaker 1: am in academia. Now that's one of the reasons, by
Speaker 1: the way, why tenure is so important. I mean, not,
Speaker 1: by the way, not that just because I have tenure,
Speaker 1: I I haven't suffered a lot because I have and
Speaker 1: I can share some stories. But you know, one of
Speaker 1: the values of having tenure is precisely because it hopefully
Speaker 1: allows people who have the courage to speak out to
Speaker 1: do so, because people can't just fire you on a whim.
Speaker 1: I mean about what happened to Socrates when he was
Speaker 1: executed in ancient Greece. Think about what happened to Galileo
Speaker 1: when he was placed under house arrest during the Inquisition,
Speaker 1: and so so having tenure affords me some protection, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't protect me from the thirty three trillion death
Speaker 1: threats that I received. It doesn't protect me from a
Speaker 1: university in southern California who was desperately keen on hiring me,
Speaker 1: but then upon some professors not liking the idea, they
Speaker 1: completely derailed the process. So I still bear many costs
Speaker 1: in speaking out, but at least tenure affords me some protection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy times that we live in it, but
Speaker 1: it seems like all these things that we're going through
Speaker 1: as you as you know, because you work in that
Speaker 1: world academia, Like this, a lot of this started in academia,
Speaker 1: Like who who's the driving force behind this? Like I
Speaker 1: I'm trying to wrap my mind around a lot of
Speaker 1: things I just shake my head at that have been
Speaker 1: going on the last couple of years. But it's you
Speaker 1: know who, who's who's pulling the strings on this? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I often joke, although I'm actually being very truthful
Speaker 1: in what I'm saying, it that it takes academics and
Speaker 1: intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so you're exactly right that all of these dreadful
Speaker 1: ideas all stem from academia. For example, I'll give you one,
Speaker 1: and if you want to do more, we can we
Speaker 1: can cover other ones. Uh. Post Modernism is the idea
Speaker 1: that there are no objective truths. We are completely shackled
Speaker 1: by our subjectivity, by by our personal biases, by you know,
Speaker 1: my relativity. You know, what's relatively true for you might
Speaker 1: be different for me. Well, that's a dreadfully bad idea
Speaker 1: because scientists wake up every morning under the working assumption
Speaker 1: that there are you know, natural phenomena that we can
Speaker 1: investigate as an evolutionary psychologist, I obviously study a haired
Speaker 1: human nature. There are things that make the Peruvian consumer
Speaker 1: and the Nigerian consumer and the Japanese consumer similar to
Speaker 1: each other precisely because they have a shared biological heritage.
Speaker 1: So postmodernism is in a sense what I call intellectual terrorism,
Speaker 1: because it rejects the idea that there's anything as a
Speaker 1: fundamental objective truth. Now, the ones who come up with
Speaker 1: these kind of you know, imbecilic ideas, they don't suffer
Speaker 1: the consequences of their stupidity. Right. So, for example, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you don't have many of these
Speaker 1: dumb ideas in the business school where I where I reside,
Speaker 1: or say an engineering school, is because you can't build
Speaker 1: bridges using postmodernist physics. It doesn't exist. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't build a mathematical model to understand consumer choice using
Speaker 1: postmodernist mathematics. And so this is why my discipline has
Speaker 1: been less parasitized by this kind of stupidity. But in
Speaker 1: other disciplines and the humanities and the social sciences, it's
Speaker 1: literally nonsense. Like if you walk in as a lay
Speaker 1: person and see some of the stuff that your children
Speaker 1: type be taught. You wouldn't believe that this is actually
Speaker 1: being taught, right, I mean I received emails guys from adults.
Speaker 1: You know, A fifty year old person will write to
Speaker 1: me and say, you know, dear Dr said, I hope
Speaker 1: you don't mind if I ask you a question. I
Speaker 1: just want to know. I mean, is it still acceptable
Speaker 1: to say that only women uh menstruate? Or is that
Speaker 1: no longer biologically acceptable? So the fact that a fifty
Speaker 1: year old person in the twenty one century has to
Speaker 1: contact me because he has lost the confidence to know
Speaker 1: whether it's only women who menstruate or whether it's people
Speaker 1: who menstruate, tells you how far down the abyss of
Speaker 1: lunacy we've gotten. Doc, speaking of that lunacy and getting
Speaker 1: into this with you, you had mentioned that obviously things
Speaker 1: have been going onward the intellectuals and some don't don't
Speaker 1: have that kind of repercussion that other individuals do. Um,
Speaker 1: where did we turn where we couldn't question things we
Speaker 1: can process, or at least to process information. But it
Speaker 1: seems like more more now in the day and age,
Speaker 1: that we can't question anything anymore. Why is that? Well?
Speaker 1: It really again starts, I mean, and I hate to
Speaker 1: keep you know, putting the blame on universities, because of
Speaker 1: course universities are also the purveyors of of great enrichment
Speaker 1: at great knowledge and so on. But it really starts
Speaker 1: in the universities where the reflex in the universities has
Speaker 1: been to truly create sterile echo chambers when it comes
Speaker 1: to you know, uh, idea diversities right, and here i'd
Speaker 1: I'd love to if I could take a minue or
Speaker 1: two to analogize from something from evolutionary medicine. So on,
Speaker 1: evolutionary medicine. Uh. There is this concept known as the
Speaker 1: hygiene hypothesis. The idea being that, for example, if you
Speaker 1: want to raise children who are not going to suffer
Speaker 1: from asthma, you should raise them in an environment where
Speaker 1: they are exposed to allergens you know, pettander for example,
Speaker 1: because their immune system will then develop a the proper
Speaker 1: immunological response to allergens. So your immune system expects to
Speaker 1: be triggered by allergens, otherwise you will end up having
Speaker 1: respiratory ailments if you grow up in a sterile environment. Well,
Speaker 1: this brilliant neuropsychiatrist then and I discussed this in the
Speaker 1: book He analogized this concept too. You know, ideological echo chambers. Right,
Speaker 1: Our brains, I argued in the book, have evolved to
Speaker 1: be exposed to allergens. In this case, allergens are opposing ideas. Right,
Speaker 1: I become a better debater if I learned what is
Speaker 1: your opposing idea? Are our big brains expect to be challenged?
Speaker 1: And yet what we've done over the past forty fifty
Speaker 1: sixty years is create perfectly uniform echo chambers and universities.
Speaker 1: And the way I demonstrate in the Parasitic Mind is
Speaker 1: I just site studies that showed the breakdown of democrat
Speaker 1: versus Republican political affiliations of professors, and it is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: In some fields, it's in the order of, you know,
Speaker 1: forty four to zero, you know, a hundred to one.
Speaker 1: So how could you then have well trained young adults
Speaker 1: go into the world when they are truly, absolutely being
Speaker 1: exposed to only one side of two issues. It's grotesque
Speaker 1: and that's what I fight again. So on that note, then, doc,
Speaker 1: why because you are active on social media then and
Speaker 1: I have seen as much, um, why take shots at
Speaker 1: some of the celebrities and athletes in our domain that
Speaker 1: feel like they're above reproach because in a sense, it's
Speaker 1: almost like a no win situation, right where they're not
Speaker 1: gonna acknowledge what you are saying as a retort even
Speaker 1: though you are correct. So why do that? Right? So
Speaker 1: because they've got gigantic platforms, and and and by the way,
Speaker 1: I get asked that many times, why do someone you know,
Speaker 1: like you, with your credentials worry about what Sarah Silverman says?
Speaker 1: Or well, because Sarah Silverman has, you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: times my platform, Lebron James has I don't know how
Speaker 1: many times my platforms. So in other words, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: any syllable that Lebron James utters, regrettably will carry more
Speaker 1: weight than the hundred top intellectuals put together. So by
Speaker 1: sometimes going to their platform and challenging them, I'm recognizing,
Speaker 1: as a good professor of marketing that I sometimes have
Speaker 1: to take the message to where the consumers are, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I only speak to my high salute
Speaker 1: and high grow I've rey towered dwelling colleagues in the
Speaker 1: ivy leagues, I might convince them, but that's twenty five people, right,
Speaker 1: But if I go to Lebron James thirty million people
Speaker 1: or however many, and I can get one percent of
Speaker 1: them to rethink their position. From an impact perspective, I've
Speaker 1: been quite impactful. So I'm not so haughty and so
Speaker 1: elitist as to think that I am above communicating with everyone.
Speaker 1: That's why I stimes I'll engage someone on social media
Speaker 1: has two followers. Most of my colleagues with never you know,
Speaker 1: stooped to communicating with the great unwashed. And that's why
Speaker 1: I call myself the professor of the people. Well, with
Speaker 1: the marketing aspect, then, doc, do you feel like our
Speaker 1: society is dumber or smarter because of social media? I
Speaker 1: mean it's a two edged sword because on the one hand,
Speaker 1: of course, uh, social media allows for the rapid velocity,
Speaker 1: you know, spread of information, right. I mean I can
Speaker 1: get on Joe Rogan and then he could tweet something
Speaker 1: and I could have more impact based on that tweet
Speaker 1: than I could in writing academic papers. So on the
Speaker 1: one hand, of course, social media affords us unbelievable opportunities
Speaker 1: to spread messages. But of course the other side of
Speaker 1: the coin is that it allows all sorts of you know, uh,
Speaker 1: enemies of reason to also proliferate their message. So I
Speaker 1: guess the question is are you a good enough consumer
Speaker 1: of information to know which information is the vertical one
Speaker 1: and which is the yes one? And that's why I
Speaker 1: always keep fighting at the Battle of ideas, because I
Speaker 1: always get so upset when I see garbage being espoused
Speaker 1: by all sorts of people. Yeah, and dog and following
Speaker 1: up on that, you know, we are on social media
Speaker 1: obviously all the time. Everyone is in our the media
Speaker 1: business that I work in, and how much of it
Speaker 1: is real? I've I've taken the position it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the matrix, right that you know, you don't know
Speaker 1: what's real and what's fake, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: bots and algorithms and all that, and it's it's really like,
Speaker 1: as you you deal with the human reaction to you know,
Speaker 1: business and products and whatnot. Isn't this a form of
Speaker 1: mind manipulation in many ways at the same time because
Speaker 1: you really don't know, as you said, you don't know
Speaker 1: what's real, what's not, and who's trying to pull your chain? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely listen. Uh A kind of a related note, I
Speaker 1: realized that via my use of satire. So for your
Speaker 1: listeners who may or may not know this. Why the
Speaker 1: many tools of persuasion that I use is, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm very very heavy on satire and sarcasm, right and irony,
Speaker 1: and so oftentimes I rejoice in having a major media
Speaker 1: outlet not realized that I was being sarcastic and then
Speaker 1: share my stuff thinking that I actually meant what I
Speaker 1: said when I was actually being perfectly sarcastic, and as
Speaker 1: as I guess, you guys know that that's very much posed. Well,
Speaker 1: a few years ago, I can't remember who it was,
Speaker 1: maybe it was PJ Media, and one of these major
Speaker 1: outlets had put out the top ten dumbest quotes of
Speaker 1: the year, and I think I had landed at number five,
Speaker 1: or I can't remember that of the whole year. They
Speaker 1: didn't realize that I was aping all of the progressive platitudes.
Speaker 1: I was being sarcastic, and of course, once they realized that,
Speaker 1: they very quietly removed my quote. But I rejoiced in
Speaker 1: being able to to to fool all of these embestoles, because, uh,
Speaker 1: it demonstrates what kind of lunatic world we live in.
Speaker 1: I loved your your video the other day about you
Speaker 1: know what's going Obviously you're very tight and you grew
Speaker 1: up in the Middle East, and and what's been going
Speaker 1: on in the last couple of weeks there and you
Speaker 1: issued an apology of video which was that was a
Speaker 1: tan doc guy. That was outstanding. I mean, yeah, how
Speaker 1: how weird? You know, how weird if people obviously look
Speaker 1: to you for you know, help. Everyone's got different opinions
Speaker 1: on what's going on with with Israel and the in
Speaker 1: the Middle East and all that, and and you you
Speaker 1: obviously live there. You you have your family from there
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And how weird is it, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: this and it's been going on your entire life, everyone's
Speaker 1: entire life, Like it's how weird is that whole situation
Speaker 1: from your perspective because you know firsthand what what goes
Speaker 1: on in that part of the country or pat Park. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, for your listeners who may not know this,
Speaker 1: we are we you meaning my family were part of
Speaker 1: the last remaining Lebanese Jews in Lebanon. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: the Middle East had a you know, a sizeable, albeit
Speaker 1: a small minority of Arabic Jewice like Iraqi Iraqi Jewice,
Speaker 1: Syrian Jews, Egyptian Jews, Lebanese Jews. But then they all
Speaker 1: you know, slowly either left or magically disappeared. Uh, And
Speaker 1: we were part of the steadfastly you know, stayed in
Speaker 1: Lebanon despite the fact that they were you know, warning
Speaker 1: signs that it was no longer a good idea to
Speaker 1: be Jewish in Lebanon. And then in the mid seventies,
Speaker 1: when the Civil War began, it really wasn't possible to
Speaker 1: be Jewish and Lebanon. And so we were in Lebanon
Speaker 1: for the first year of the civil war, and then
Speaker 1: we were lucky to escape. And I discussed all this
Speaker 1: in the first chapter of The Perasitic Mind, and I
Speaker 1: discussed it in the context of identity politics because I
Speaker 1: explained to people that to the extent that you now
Speaker 1: have one of the two major parties in the United States,
Speaker 1: the Democrats, that are basing everything on identity politics, I'm
Speaker 1: i'm I'm giving people a warning because Lebanon is exactly
Speaker 1: what happens to a society when it perfectly adheres to
Speaker 1: identity politics. Right. So the the end downstream effects of
Speaker 1: having identity politics rule your life is called Lebanon. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, so we left Lebanon and moved to Montreal, Canada.
Speaker 1: My parents kept returning to Lebanon because we still had
Speaker 1: you know, some businesses there and so on. And then
Speaker 1: they were kidnapped by FATA, which is a Palestinian group.
Speaker 1: And our our home itself are our home in Beirut
Speaker 1: was occupied by Palestinians, Palestinian refugees, and so yes, I'm
Speaker 1: very very familiar with the area. Now. Look, I don't
Speaker 1: hold any ill will against Palestinians, because yes, they were
Speaker 1: Muslim militia that wanted to kill us in Lebanon, but
Speaker 1: it's also Palestinian militia who protected us and drove us
Speaker 1: out of you know, out of to the to the
Speaker 1: Beirut International Airport. So I don't condemn people based on
Speaker 1: the action of someone else. Right, So by the same token,
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart that Jews now are being attacked
Speaker 1: all over the place, including in Montreal, because you know,
Speaker 1: they're Jewish, and then somehow they are collectively guilty for
Speaker 1: what Israel you know, uh, you know, is doing, you know,
Speaker 1: to pass things and so on. I frankly think it's
Speaker 1: an intractable problem. I don't think that it will ever
Speaker 1: be solved until people recognized recognize their common humanity. The
Speaker 1: problem in the Middle East is that that's probably never
Speaker 1: going to happen, because everything, as I said, is viewed
Speaker 1: through you, through tribal allegiance, through the religion that you
Speaker 1: belong to, and unfortunately, very few of those tribes view
Speaker 1: the Jews positively, and so I fear that these realities
Speaker 1: will always exist. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Speaker 1: app and doc. On that note, with travelism, I mean
Speaker 1: Ben and I talked about this at pretty good length
Speaker 1: because it has now seemed and bled into sports, into
Speaker 1: our arena of work and enjoyment. Were now it seems
Speaker 1: like you're either on one side of the aisle or
Speaker 1: the other side of the aisle. Do you think that
Speaker 1: the power of money has has pushed this thing to
Speaker 1: the edge where it's it's irreversible that sports and I
Speaker 1: guess media as as a whole, will will never get
Speaker 1: back to a constructive black and white like this is
Speaker 1: exactly what it's intended for information or for sports entertainment.
Speaker 1: Do you think we ever get back to something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope that we're able to get back to a
Speaker 1: time where people don't take their political positions in arenas
Speaker 1: where those arenas precisely exists, so that we don't act
Speaker 1: tribal in a tribal way. Right. So sports is a
Speaker 1: place where uh, you know, I could hopefully forget that
Speaker 1: I'm Jewish or Muslim, or I support the Democrats or Republicans,
Speaker 1: and I have allegiance to whatever the Dallas Cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's an opportunity for people to look
Speaker 1: for their common love for for competition. And but by
Speaker 1: the way, just to link it, link your question about
Speaker 1: sports to what we were talking about in the previous
Speaker 1: question in the Middle East. In in my book, I
Speaker 1: talk about the following story because it relates to sports.
Speaker 1: My brother, actually the brother that I mentioned earlier, who
Speaker 1: had moved to California in the four My brother was
Speaker 1: was the champion of judo judo champion of Lebanon several
Speaker 1: years in a row. He actually, by the way, represented
Speaker 1: Lebanon in the nineteen seventy six Olympics in Montreal. Well
Speaker 1: in around nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy four, before the
Speaker 1: Civil War started, he was visited by some men who
Speaker 1: told him that it was time for him to retire,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's not a good look for a
Speaker 1: Jew to constantly be winning a combat sport. And so
Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall. He wasn't going to
Speaker 1: quit his judo career, so he moved to Paris, France,
Speaker 1: where actually the French are very good at Judeo historically,
Speaker 1: and he continued his career there. But I listened to
Speaker 1: the irony the guy who had to leave Lebanon because
Speaker 1: he was a Jew who was always winning the Lebanese championship.
Speaker 1: His jewishness no longer mattered when it came to him
Speaker 1: representing Lebanon in the nineteen Olympics. At that point they
Speaker 1: were willing to forgive, you know, that dirtiness of him
Speaker 1: being a Jew. So that shows you what happens when
Speaker 1: we start incorporating all these tribal divisions within sports. Sports
Speaker 1: should unite us, not divide us. So it's really regrettable.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we have we have issues now with meritocracy.
Speaker 1: It seems like like you can't the scoreboard doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 1: It feels like even outside the sports world, you know,
Speaker 1: resumes with degrees, whether it's a bachelor's, a master's, and PhD,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anymore. I mean here in California they're
Speaker 1: doing away with standardized testing for you for universities. Well,
Speaker 1: it is actually much worse than that. So uh, at
Speaker 1: the at the academicals on academia, you would think that
Speaker 1: just like a hundred meter dash is judged based on
Speaker 1: who crosses the line first, right, Uh, I mean, if
Speaker 1: there's ever a case of a pure meritocracy, it would
Speaker 1: be the hundred meters tacks while you would think that
Speaker 1: academic excellence, you know, for professors should be the same,
Speaker 1: but now shared professorship. So the highest level of professorships
Speaker 1: that are endowed by the Canadian government are bestowed a
Speaker 1: lot more based on what I call the Die religion.
Speaker 1: Die is an acronym that I use for diversity, inclusion
Speaker 1: and equity. Right, So I call it the Die religion
Speaker 1: because the application of Die principles is exactly where meritocracy
Speaker 1: goes to die. Right, So, so we no longer judge
Speaker 1: you based on the strength of your scientific dosia, which
Speaker 1: ug you if you are the right skin you, if
Speaker 1: you've got the right gender orientation, or sexual orientation or ethnicity.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is really grotesque. And what upsets me
Speaker 1: the most is that all of this perfectly illiberal nonsense,
Speaker 1: it's cloaked under the robe of progressivism, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: in the old days, the racists wore ropes, they were
Speaker 1: called the KKK, and we disavowed them. But today they
Speaker 1: wear cloaks, the robes of progressivism. They could be fully racist,
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to say, wow, bravo, bravo, it's so
Speaker 1: great to hire people based on their skin color. It's grotesque.
Speaker 1: I mean, for someone like me who escaped the Middle East,
Speaker 1: it breaks my heart to see what we're doing to
Speaker 1: the West. Yeah. And and doc, I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: this week the mayor of Chicago, major city, obviously you here,
Speaker 1: saying they would she would only or limit the media
Speaker 1: interviews to people of color, not people have got a
Speaker 1: Journalists of color. Yeah, yeah, journalists have color. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. It I despise this fill in the
Speaker 1: blank of color, communities of color, soccer players of color.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guarantee you that in ten years, some
Speaker 1: some some you know, language police person will arise and
Speaker 1: say it is no longer acceptable to say this, and
Speaker 1: you know what, I will be the one clapping because
Speaker 1: I find it ridiculous. What what is this journalist of color?
Speaker 1: What is a by the way in universities? Now you
Speaker 1: have all these activist students who will you know, occupy
Speaker 1: the President's office saying things like we need a speaker
Speaker 1: series of color, we need mentor of colors, we need
Speaker 1: mathematicians of color. Really, I thought mathematics is where you
Speaker 1: leave your identity at the door. Right. The distribution of
Speaker 1: prime numbers is the distribution of prime numbers irrespective of
Speaker 1: whether I'm indigenous or an Orthodox Jew or a Islamic
Speaker 1: I mom, I mean, it's insane. Doc. At a lighter note,
Speaker 1: I know, obviously the parasitic of mind is something that
Speaker 1: that Ben and I have talked about a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you guys do share something else in common, and
Speaker 1: it's the uh. It's the diet. Now. Ben is a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the intermittent fasting. And I know that
Speaker 1: you're getting the uh the pounds down to what inspired
Speaker 1: you to to lose the weight and UH and do
Speaker 1: you dip it? Do you dip your toes into the
Speaker 1: deep end of the intermittent fasting at all? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank well, thank you for that personal question. Uh So,
Speaker 1: actually I just played myself today, um at one, which
Speaker 1: is the lowest I've been probably I don't know in
Speaker 1: twenty years. Uh one two is still way too heavy
Speaker 1: for someone of my height, So probably another twenty pounds
Speaker 1: will be ideal. But as I always joke, I always
Speaker 1: need to keep a bit of extra fat because sin
Speaker 1: God will cause social uh strife and will cause marital instability.
Speaker 1: Then God is simply too good looking to walk in public.
Speaker 1: But any case, Uh what what what motivated me to
Speaker 1: do it is, frankly, uh, the realization that I have
Speaker 1: young children and I want to put all the odds
Speaker 1: in my favor. And for many years I've wanted to
Speaker 1: lose weight. I would sort of lose a bit of weight,
Speaker 1: but then I would clutau and finally I said, look,
Speaker 1: this is not rocket science. There's gotta be a way
Speaker 1: for me to train enough, although I've always been very athletic.
Speaker 1: But really, of course, as you know, the main problem
Speaker 1: is what you put in your mouth. And so I
Speaker 1: think this time. The way that I've been able to
Speaker 1: crack it is I try to keep my food to
Speaker 1: about fifteen six hundred cowries a day, and I always
Speaker 1: do at least fifteen thousand steps, so I call it
Speaker 1: the fifteen fifteen regiment. And the weight it has come
Speaker 1: after the tune of about forty pounds since intermittent fast thing.
Speaker 1: I've only done it within the daily windows, so like,
Speaker 1: for example, I've gone on those sixteen hour windows where
Speaker 1: I don't eat, but I haven't done intermittent fasting in
Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, some folks will do, you know,
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, so it's nothing that's severe. But I've
Speaker 1: certainly dabbled with the twelve to sixteen windows, if that's
Speaker 1: what you mean. Yeah, Doug, I love food and I
Speaker 1: was a very large man for a long time. And
Speaker 1: the only way I've really been able to keep the
Speaker 1: weight off is the inner minute fasting. But because I
Speaker 1: you know, once I start eating, it's hard. I cannot.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do the sixteen hundred calories
Speaker 1: a day thing, because I once I get god, it's
Speaker 1: very hard to stop. I've got a wife who I
Speaker 1: call her get stop mode when she when she gets
Speaker 1: on it and she sees me hovering around the kitchen,
Speaker 1: she'll give me one of those looks. I will swallow
Speaker 1: my saliva and go back and sit down. That's maybe
Speaker 1: that's what I'm joking. She's not that diapolic because she's very,
Speaker 1: very lovely. But look, I really think it's having having
Speaker 1: young children really helps. Uh. You know, I used to
Speaker 1: when I would get on a flight before, I never
Speaker 1: thought about the plane crashing. Whereas the minute that I
Speaker 1: had a child and I would get on a plane,
Speaker 1: I would have this whole ex potential angst. What if
Speaker 1: the plane crash, I'll never see them grow up on it.
Speaker 1: So I think that really accelerated my desire to lose
Speaker 1: weight because I want to be hopefully around for a
Speaker 1: long time, and being very overweight it's not really doing
Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't too many hundred year olds who
Speaker 1: are you know, fifty pounds overweights? Right, Yeah, you go
Speaker 1: to the retirement homes. There's not a lot of large
Speaker 1: people in entirement homes, unfortunately. But uh, but I wanna
Speaker 1: go back to, you know, some of the things that
Speaker 1: the issues of the day here. And I saw something
Speaker 1: you said the other day. You said that this whole
Speaker 1: woke revolution is like a religion, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was that was great because it seems like everyone's trying
Speaker 1: to one up each other and trying to be more
Speaker 1: more woke, woke mcwoke and all that. Can you can
Speaker 1: you expand on what you were getting at with that phrase, Doc, Well, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the religion? It has certain revealed truth
Speaker 1: that are inviolable. Right, So the difference between science and
Speaker 1: religion is that science always grade under provisional truths, meaning
Speaker 1: what we might think something is true, and we might
Speaker 1: think it's true for three d years. But if new
Speaker 1: data comes in that causes us to reevaluate what we
Speaker 1: thought was was true for hundreds of years, then we
Speaker 1: have what's called the epistemic humility to alter our beliefs.
Speaker 1: Of course, religion doesn't operate that way. Right, It is
Speaker 1: true because my book says it's true, and therefore it's
Speaker 1: true because it's in my book. That's what that's why
Speaker 1: we say it's revealed true. It is impervious to uh falsification. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of the woke tenants are exactly that, right,
Speaker 1: There is a tenant right you are no longer allowed
Speaker 1: to say that there are two sexes, that the default
Speaker 1: phenotypes of male and female are of humans is male
Speaker 1: and female. That's not acceptable. I have to say that
Speaker 1: there are eight hundred and seventy three genders, and that's
Speaker 1: the revealed truth. And if I don't say that, I
Speaker 1: should be canceled right in the Middle East, we just
Speaker 1: execute you. In the West, we we only cancel your
Speaker 1: career and ostras as you. Right. So, so in that sense,
Speaker 1: there is this you know, blindness to incoming information because
Speaker 1: it's a form of quasi secular religion. So it's in
Speaker 1: that sense that I compared to the other thing that
Speaker 1: I would say that is very similar between religion and wokenus.
Speaker 1: And I discussed this in the parasitic mind. So if so,
Speaker 1: Shariah law is the Islamic law, and under Islamic law,
Speaker 1: it is exactly antithetical to the US justice system. The
Speaker 1: US justice system is supposed to be blind, right, blind
Speaker 1: to your identity. Well, Shariah law is exactly not that. Right. So,
Speaker 1: for example, if a Muslim man kills the Jewish man,
Speaker 1: it's a very different penalty then if it's the other
Speaker 1: way around, and that's codified in Sharia law. Well, progressive
Speaker 1: ism or woke woke is m is exactly like Sharia
Speaker 1: la right, So if I can say the N word,
Speaker 1: depends on whether what my color of skin is right.
Speaker 1: So the crime, whether it be a linguistic crime or
Speaker 1: a thought crime or an actual physical crime, depends on
Speaker 1: the identity of the perpetrator and the victim. So the
Speaker 1: progressives are thinking that they are being liberal, whereas in
Speaker 1: reality they are mimicking Shariah laws of which I escape.
Speaker 1: It's grotesque. And in that sense, walkasm is just another
Speaker 1: grotesque religion and doc in a sense to it almost
Speaker 1: sounds like you can classify the United States as a religion. Right,
Speaker 1: you go to Texas, you go to Florida, you might
Speaker 1: go to Oklahoma. It's a lot different of a feeling
Speaker 1: in nature and also mind that it would be if
Speaker 1: you came here to California or Washington or Oregon. Countries
Speaker 1: that are are states that are blue versus the states
Speaker 1: that are read. Yes, that's true, and but this is why,
Speaker 1: by the way, So if you want look to be tribal,
Speaker 1: is really to be human. So we have a involved
Speaker 1: coalitional psychology where we view the world as blue team
Speaker 1: and red team US versus then. So so it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to eradicate that instinct to be coalitional or tribal.
Speaker 1: But one of the beauties of the American experience is
Speaker 1: that its places the Constitution. I mean not to it
Speaker 1: almost sounds like I'm being religious here, but the Constitution
Speaker 1: as a as a document is what then unites Americans.
Speaker 1: And and and I'm amazed that I have to be
Speaker 1: the one saying that as a Canadian and speaking to Americans. Right,
Speaker 1: so it should be that we don't have blue states
Speaker 1: and red states, but we only have allegiance to the Constitution.
Speaker 1: That's what made America the great experience, the great uh,
Speaker 1: you know, societies that you've built over two hundred plus years.
Speaker 1: But now we don't have that. We don't have adherence
Speaker 1: to the Constitution. We have adherence to parties, and hence
Speaker 1: we are succumbing to that basal instinct of tribalism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really shameful, and people forget obviously we are a constitutional
Speaker 1: republic and exactly democracy democracy is one thing, but obviously
Speaker 1: the republic is another. But don't you do you feel though,
Speaker 1: I guess in that sense because when you look at
Speaker 1: some of the things that make up the country right
Speaker 1: now is the United States. They are dominant by one
Speaker 1: political party, so you can't help in certain circumstances that
Speaker 1: you need to acquiesce to to the ones that are
Speaker 1: writing the paycheck for you. Look, I mean, I understand
Speaker 1: the stressors, and I understand that you know, people shouldn't
Speaker 1: be unnecessary martyrs. But whenever people send me I mean,
Speaker 1: I received you a million emails in a given week,
Speaker 1: and many of them will kind of end with the
Speaker 1: following final sentence. You know, I love you, DR said,
Speaker 1: thank you for your blah. Please, if you're going to
Speaker 1: read my email, don't mention my identity. Right, So, if
Speaker 1: you are so cowardly that you're not even courageous enough
Speaker 1: to simply stand next to the one who's taking all
Speaker 1: the risks, how should we can contextualize your cowardice comparing
Speaker 1: it to say, the young men who landed on Normandy
Speaker 1: and knew that they would be mowed down by Nazi
Speaker 1: machine guns like little insignificant mosquito, so that you and
Speaker 1: I could be sitting having this conversation today, how does
Speaker 1: your cowardice compared to that so in a war, whether
Speaker 1: it be in ideological war or in actual physical war,
Speaker 1: there are casualties. That's why it's called the war. So
Speaker 1: I understand that everybody wants to be safe, but you
Speaker 1: also have to be anti fragile. Right, So when I
Speaker 1: see kids today complaining about whatever they complain about, you know,
Speaker 1: my god, maybe I'm going to be miss gendered. I say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should have lived ten minutes of my childhood and Lebanon,
Speaker 1: where I didn't know every minute whether I was going
Speaker 1: to live to the next minute. So people have to
Speaker 1: stop being invertebrates. They have to grow a spine. We
Speaker 1: are a vertebrate species. We have a spine, So try
Speaker 1: to find your spine. Try to grow a pair. If
Speaker 1: I can be colloquial in that way and speak out, Now,
Speaker 1: you don't have to be an unnecessary martyr, but you
Speaker 1: don't subcontract your voice to those who are willing to
Speaker 1: take the risk for you. You have to activate your
Speaker 1: inner honey badger and speak out. So that in a way,
Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, it does sound like you you
Speaker 1: are acknowledging that I am. I'm brave for working with
Speaker 1: Ben Mallorca and his audience is they're relentless on their attacks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we gotta have you are my hero. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: this whole cancel culture thing, right, like, you know, is
Speaker 1: is there any going back? I mean, I remember when
Speaker 1: I was a kid and and people you know, back
Speaker 1: in my day, and we you know, I didn't have
Speaker 1: the life you had obviously, but you know, in my
Speaker 1: life experience, I had a mother that was liberal and
Speaker 1: a father that was conservative, and they were battle it
Speaker 1: out at the dinner table and then they'd hug it out.
Speaker 1: I had buddies of mind that you know, we were
Speaker 1: from different backgrounds and we'd bust each other's chops and
Speaker 1: then we'd be fine. But now it's like, if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you're not in lockstep, as we've talked about, and
Speaker 1: you've got into great detail here, you know, you've got
Speaker 1: to you know, distance yourself or now the cancel culture.
Speaker 1: What's the path to getting back to closer to the
Speaker 1: way it was? Doc? Right? It has to be costly
Speaker 1: for the Cretans who are promulgating the cancel culture ethos
Speaker 1: right right now, there are no consequences to their tactics.
Speaker 1: So let me give you an example. If I start
Speaker 1: engaging someone on Twitter about some issue whatever, the Israeli
Speaker 1: Postinian thing. Right, you may have a different position from mine,
Speaker 1: and we we we we look it out on on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and then whatever, either I convince you or you convince me,
Speaker 1: or we don't budge in our respective positions and we
Speaker 1: live to love another day. But now what they will
Speaker 1: do is they will then tag my university and say,
Speaker 1: how do you keep the skuy this this, this uh
Speaker 1: you know, uh justifier of the general side of the policy,
Speaker 1: and they start tagging my university. Well, I can't engage
Speaker 1: in the same terrorists tactics on them because you know,
Speaker 1: they're not public figures. I don't know where they were,
Speaker 1: even though I would never do it to them, So
Speaker 1: that a symmetry. The fact that they can try to
Speaker 1: terrorize me in this way without any repercussions on them
Speaker 1: is what emboldens them to do it. Right. The fact
Speaker 1: that administrators and universities allow this nonsense to take place
Speaker 1: by allowing the you know, blue haired people to d
Speaker 1: platform everyone with whom they disagree is what. But now,
Speaker 1: let's suppose a donor who's giving a hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: at this university suddenly says, if a single person at
Speaker 1: this university is d platform and the next ten years
Speaker 1: you won't get a cent from me. Suddenly that one
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars that I might lose as the president
Speaker 1: of that university suddenly my ears per cup. So in
Speaker 1: other words, we have to incentivize these cretans into fighting
Speaker 1: against council cultures. As long as there are no costs
Speaker 1: for the mob not coming after you and terrorizing hits
Speaker 1: will go on. So what I'd like to see is
Speaker 1: that people wait. And by the way, you're starting to
Speaker 1: see it now with critical race theory, right, So a
Speaker 1: lot of parents are now mobilizing to fight against this nonsense.
Speaker 1: And I can assure you that if more and more
Speaker 1: parents start going through these, you know, education board meetings
Speaker 1: and screaming and shouting against the racist nonsense of critical
Speaker 1: race theory, it will suddenly, uh disappear and the administrators
Speaker 1: will acquiesce. So there is no magic recipe. People have
Speaker 1: to be engaged and we can hopefully very quickly turn
Speaker 1: this around. Now, Doc, I don't know if you're aware
Speaker 1: of this, but this sounds an awful lot like SEC football.
Speaker 1: Like SEC football is king in the United States when
Speaker 1: it comes to college athletics, and donors will have the
Speaker 1: heads of head coaches that they can't perform and compete
Speaker 1: against the Alabamas of the world or Georgia or Tennessee
Speaker 1: or whatnot. So it sounds like a lockstep football kind
Speaker 1: of brings the country back into the full smooth unity.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, glad, I'm interrupted. Also say, when you
Speaker 1: when you mentioned critical race theory, you're actually gonna be
Speaker 1: speaking with someone that's been a driving force on the
Speaker 1: pushback in exactly this Monday, actually, well tomorrow, I'm speaking
Speaker 1: to Amy Chua, who is the colloquially she's referred to
Speaker 1: as the Tiger Mom. She she's a Yale University, UH
Speaker 1: law school professor who wrote, I mean, she's written many books,
Speaker 1: one of which actually is relevant to what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Tribes. She wrote a book on you know,
Speaker 1: political tribes and so on. But earlier she had written
Speaker 1: a book about, you know, the battle him of the
Speaker 1: Tiger Mom. And she's a real honey badger, right, because
Speaker 1: she's existing in an ecosystem of ultra liberals, and you know,
Speaker 1: she certainly is a lot more conservative and she doesn't
Speaker 1: just you know, conform to the ideology and Christopher Ruffo,
Speaker 1: with whom I'll be speaking on my show on Monday,
Speaker 1: has become a real nemesis to all these crt you know,
Speaker 1: racists because he you know, they're winning legal, you know,
Speaker 1: legal victory over legal victory all over the country. So look,
Speaker 1: this guy didn't start off, you know, with with the
Speaker 1: clear idea that that's what he was going to be.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I guess we'll talk about her
Speaker 1: on Monday, he decided he wants to take on this,
Speaker 1: you know, he wants to take on dismantle and and
Speaker 1: look where he's scott in him. So, you know, often
Speaker 1: I will get people who write to me and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have Joe Rogan's platform. I'm not
Speaker 1: some fancy professor with your platform. Professor, I who's gonna
Speaker 1: listen to? Well, you don't. You don't have to effect
Speaker 1: change in the millions. If your professor says something that is,
Speaker 1: you know, inbecilic and contrary to common sense, why don't
Speaker 1: you challenge him or her politely? If if your friend
Speaker 1: says something at the pub that you disagree with, rather
Speaker 1: than worrying about if you disagree with him, he might
Speaker 1: unfriend you, why don't you grow up pair and actually
Speaker 1: challenge him politely. So, in other words, we can affect
Speaker 1: change within the small sphere of influence of our daily lives.
Speaker 1: And and and I guess Christopher Ruffo is as a
Speaker 1: perfect example of that. He didn't start off as a
Speaker 1: fancy professor or as Joe Rogan, and look at the
Speaker 1: influence he has now, Yeah, it's it's amazing. Dog. One
Speaker 1: last question for me before Benson's it out, Um, do
Speaker 1: you feel that the political activities of the far left
Speaker 1: are sophisticated marketing programs? I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean yes and no. I mean there's susistic there. They're
Speaker 1: they're smart, and that they found a way to infiltrate
Speaker 1: that they dominate all of the key structures that define intelligentia, journalism, academia, Hollywood. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that was sort of a planned
Speaker 1: conspiratorial thing. On the other hand, as you probably have
Speaker 1: all heard the standard joke that you know, the right
Speaker 1: has better means the right has better sense of humor.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that, you know, marketing ability is
Speaker 1: restricted to one political tribe or another. I think though,
Speaker 1: that to the extent that all of the choke points
Speaker 1: of the intelligentsia are completely controlled by one party. They
Speaker 1: don't even need to have good marketing because they control
Speaker 1: the full narrative. Right. I mean you have Fox in
Speaker 1: the US and that's it, right. Who who else has
Speaker 1: an opposing view to the mainstream media. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what's unhealthy. And if we can just infuse diversity
Speaker 1: of thought at each of these structures, will be a
Speaker 1: much more vibrant and healthy society. Well, Doc, I know
Speaker 1: we've taken more of your time than we said we would. Uh,
Speaker 1: bad job by us. But how can for those you
Speaker 1: know when you mentioned the book we mentioned a few
Speaker 1: times Parasitic Mind? How can people find it? You've got
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel which is very popular, which is great,
Speaker 1: and I know you're obviously very big on Twitter. How
Speaker 1: can people follow you? Get in the book the whole thing,
Speaker 1: promote all of this, Doctor, Oh, thank you, sir. So
Speaker 1: my my book, my list book is called the Parasitic Mind,
Speaker 1: How infectious ideas are killing common sense? They could certainly
Speaker 1: get on Amazon or whatever books are sold. Uh. My
Speaker 1: Twitter handle is at gat g A D S A
Speaker 1: A D. I have a podcast and a YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: It's called the sad truth s A A D. I
Speaker 1: have a public uh Facebook page. I'm everywhere. I hunt
Speaker 1: your dreams. It's not difficult to find and listen. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be a dangerous man if you can and west
Speaker 1: of the four oh five. Back to that beach. Document
Speaker 1: is a little bit more weight. No, no, you can
Speaker 1: come back to irv or Irvine is is west and
Speaker 1: east of the four oh five, so you could you
Speaker 1: could be an Irvine to be east of the formula. Anyway, Doc,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, have a great day, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: My pleasures. Cheers, guys. Chip. Be sure to catch live
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