1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: If you thought more hours a day, minutes a week 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: the old republic, the sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes, 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. We are 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: back at it again. The weekend is here on a 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Friday as we kick off festivities here the Fifth Hour. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: If you're new to the show, if some new people listening, 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: I understand, especially today that probably not normally listeners, that 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: this is a spinoff of the Overnight show. We do 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: five nights a week, the Ben Mather Show, and it 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: is only in the podcast format, and unlike the shackles 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: of overnight sports talk radio, we can go anywhere, right, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: we had the whole landscape that we can go any 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: place we want on this podcast. And we do this 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: eight days a week. Podcast drop on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: only available on the podcast format, not broadcast on commercial radio. 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: And we are joined again by West of the four 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: oh five David Gascon with his own sound effects. Here 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: is this is this is gonna be extra spicy hot today. 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: I am preparing for the negative feedback that we're probably 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna get, but I I'm okay with that. Excited. So 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: we've we've actually had our our guests on deck for 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: about two months and um, so obviously scheduling and whatnot 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: needed to come into one and it finally did. And uh, 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited about it, especially because of the time that 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: we're in right now and also with the dead period 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: of the national from a football league. UM, I'm gigged 31 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: up about it. Yeah, So every Friday we try to 32 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: have someone on. You know, we've had a lot of 33 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: radio friends on that have come in here and hung 34 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: out with us. Sports radio guys are colleagues at Fox 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We've had in here. We had a comedian 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: last week. We've had an eclectic group of people that 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: have come in. We've had former athletes and now we 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: can add from the world of academia and not often, 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a dumb sports guy that I 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: get to talk to somebody who's educated and worldly into 41 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: all of that. But I am excited here now before 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: we welcome in who we're going to chat with. I 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: must put the standard disclaim around. If you are easily 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: triggered by a commentary about society and wokeness and cancel 45 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: culture and that type of thing, I get it. If 46 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: you can't handle a pushback against that, this would not 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: be the podcast for you if you're closed minded. But 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: if you're willing to listen in here and you wanna 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: you want to hear what this man has to say, 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to you here in a second. And 51 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: it's a perfect podcast because it really resonates with a 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of the things we've been battling in the sporting world, 53 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: right with the wokeness, the woke mcwoke as we'd like 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: to call it in these parts, and social media, with 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: the what's real and what's not real, Like it's all 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: tied together. So we're gonna get into as much of 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: that as we can. And the person who is joining 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: us today a well respected figure on on social media. 59 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: He's been teaching, he's he's tenure. Dr goad Sad is 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: his name. He is the author of The Parasitic Mind, 61 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing a Common sense? But he 62 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: is a Lebanese Canadian and a very public intellectual. He 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: is the Professor of Marketing at the John Molson School 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: of Business at Montreal's Concordia University. He has spent time 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: at several other institute over the years. I guess gun 66 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to chatting with Dr. Dr said 67 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: here and getting into a number of different things. Yes, 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I have. Do you have any friends their Lebanese? I 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: had when I was When I was younger, there were 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: a few kids in school, but I currently not my 71 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: circle of friends. I don't know I have one. I 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: went to a small Catholic elementary school in my hometown, 73 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: San Pedro, and the rival school which is called Mary Star. 74 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I played up against a guy like flag football as 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: a kid. But this this kid, who was like eleven 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: or twelve at the time, looked like a full grown man, 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: just built like a box, had a receding hairline, sideburns, 78 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: and the mustache. And I thought, man, this guy, there's 79 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: no way this dude is is my age. And then 80 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: we graduated elementary school, we turned into the same high 81 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: school and we became really good friends. And we called 82 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: him the Moose. His name is Maurice, but we call 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: him the Moose. Um, he showed me a fascinating scar 84 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: when we got to learn about him and obviously his family, 85 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: and he showed me his stomach and he's got like 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: washboard six board abs and a scar in the middle 87 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: of his stomach. And I said, Moose, what's that scar from? 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: And he said it's a it's from surgery. I said, 89 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: from one. He said, there's a bullet lodged next to 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: my spine and the doctors couldn't get it out. He 91 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: was shot as a kid in Lebanon, and his parents 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: obviously fleet Lebanon, I think when he was like three 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: or four years of age and came to the Nited States. Um, 94 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: his parents have gone back on several occasions. But obviously 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: it's it's extremely dangerous. But the Moose is the one 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: friend that I had it's Lebanese and still have. And 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: he's a great guy. And uh, he's personable, he's charismatic, 98 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: and he's just like the docks. So, um, yeah, I'm 99 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to have the dock in the house. Yeah. 100 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: He's got a YouTube channel, The Sad truth S a 101 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: a d hundreds of thousands of followers on there. He's 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: very popular on Twitter as well. And he's done some 103 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: big podcasts, Like he's really coming down. I mean, he's 104 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: he's hanging out in the mud with the common people 105 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: here because he's been on Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin, 106 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: who we've had on Jordan Peterson. These are some big, 107 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: major figures in the podcast world, and he's done all 108 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: those shows and he's he's coming to our level here, 109 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: which is cool. And he's in a different for him 110 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: because he's taking shots from everybody. But then as much 111 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: incoming fire as he gets, he throws it right back, 112 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: especially at some of the celebrities, some of the athletes. Um, 113 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: he's not afraid of spar at all. All right, well, 114 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: let's get into it. We welcome in now to the 115 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Gascon Dr Gad 116 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: Sad from Montreal joining us. And before we get into 117 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of this doc, I did read 118 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: that you spent some time at you see, Irvine. I 119 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: grew up in Irvine, so I feel like we have 120 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: a bond there. What was your experience in southern California? 121 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Oh boy, well, listen, uh, I lived in California for 122 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: a few years, as you said, as a visiting professor 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: at U C Irvine. But I but my my relationship 124 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: with Southern California goes back to because one of my 125 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: brothers had moved to California, I think in eighty four, 126 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: and so in eighty five was the first summer that 127 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: I hung out in so called at the time, he 128 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: lived in Manhattan Beach. So he moved from first Manhattan Beach, 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: then he moved to a place called Via Ledo and 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: Newport Beach, and then he moved to Laguna Beach. And 131 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: so Southern California has been, you know, sort of a 132 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: second home to me since the mid eighties. But yeah, 133 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, my experience is that I'm desperate to return 134 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: to live there permanently, and somehow I haven't found a 135 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: way to make it out there on a permanent basis. 136 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: We gotta get you back. Somebody should hire you, bab. 137 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how that works in the 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: academic world that you are in, but you know, somebody 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't me really, And so you are the professor of 140 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: marketing at the your professor marketing at John Molson's School 141 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: of Business in Montreal and Cordia University there, and you're 142 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: domain I guess that I was reading about psychological evolutionary 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: psychology rather as applied to business. So for the person 144 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: that's never heard of you, get, how would you describe 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: what you do day to day? Right? So I mean 146 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: I wear you mean specifically in my scientific career or 147 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: across all differents, just just in jenif for the layman 148 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: who maybe has you know heard about you? And you 149 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: I know you've been a lot of podcasts and you've 150 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of media and stuff. But but for 151 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: those that haven't heard of who you are, what exactly 152 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: is your work? Yeah? So scientifically, what what I do 153 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,239 Speaker 1: is I uh, marry if you'd like evolutionary biology, consumer 154 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: psychology well as relevant in the business school. So basically 155 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: what I look at are the fundamental biologic call drivers 156 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: that make us the consumers that we are. And so 157 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: how do our hormones affect our behavior? What happens to 158 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Ben and David to their testosterone levels? If I put 159 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: you in a Porsche? What happens to Ben and David's 160 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: testosterone levels? If you see another guy, a competitor in 161 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a Porsche, And as I'm sure you can predict, you 162 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: can you could probably guess what will happen to your testosterons. 163 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: In those two scenarios, I look at things like, how 164 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: do women's ovulatory cycles, which is of course shaped by 165 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: their own hormones, how that affects how they beautify themselves 166 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: across the menstrual cycle. So I look at the biological 167 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: physiological drivers of consumer behavior. Now that's really quite novel 168 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: in the context of the business school, because until I 169 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: came along and pioneered the field of evolutionary consumption, no 170 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: one was ever applying biology to study who we are 171 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: as managers, as employers, as employees, as you know, personnel, 172 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: as financial traitors, which struck me as insane, right, I mean, 173 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: we don't suddenly lose our biological heritage when we put 174 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: on our hats as boss or as employee, or as 175 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: consumer and so over the much of my career, what 176 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: I've been trying to do is what I call Darwinized 177 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: the business school. So that's my scientific work. Now, I 178 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: also am someone who's not a stay in here lane professor. 179 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: In other words, I like to mix it up, and 180 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: so very early in my career I decided that I 181 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: also wanted to engage with the public. I didn't want 182 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: to just publish, you know, for fellow academics and fellow scientists, 183 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: and so I weigh in on all sorts of issues, 184 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: some of which are relevant to my scientific work and 185 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: others that are not. So I'm really someone who likes 186 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: to wear multiple hats and I love that. And in 187 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: this climate though, and and I know you're in Canada, 188 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 1: but in this climate in general, Like, how how difficult 189 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: has this been for you? Because you don't, you know, 190 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut on some things where a lot 191 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: of other people don't say anything, You're actually putting your 192 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: neck out there. So, uh, how what is this last 193 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: couple of years been like for you? It's very tough because, 194 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: as you correctly pointed, uh, academia is probably the place 195 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: that is most you know, paracitized by political bias. I mean, 196 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: it's where all of the what I call idea pathogens 197 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: in my latest book, they all originate from academia. And 198 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: so it's tough because you know, if you know, if 199 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: being someone who is outspoken in Hollywood is stuff, or 200 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: being someone who's outspoken in the media stuff, then you 201 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: really don't want to be outspoken the way that I 202 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: am in academia. Now that's one of the reasons, by 203 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: the way, why tenure is so important. I mean, not, 204 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: by the way, not that just because I have tenure, 205 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: I I haven't suffered a lot because I have and 206 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: I can share some stories. But you know, one of 207 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: the values of having tenure is precisely because it hopefully 208 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: allows people who have the courage to speak out to 209 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,479 Speaker 1: do so, because people can't just fire you on a whim. 210 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean about what happened to Socrates when he was 211 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: executed in ancient Greece. Think about what happened to Galileo 212 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: when he was placed under house arrest during the Inquisition, 213 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: and so so having tenure affords me some protection, but 214 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't protect me from the thirty three trillion death 215 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: threats that I received. It doesn't protect me from a 216 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: university in southern California who was desperately keen on hiring me, 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: but then upon some professors not liking the idea, they 218 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: completely derailed the process. So I still bear many costs 219 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: in speaking out, but at least tenure affords me some protection. Yeah, 220 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy times that we live in it, but 221 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: it seems like all these things that we're going through 222 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: as you as you know, because you work in that 223 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: world academia, Like this, a lot of this started in academia, 224 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: Like who who's the driving force behind this? Like I 225 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to wrap my mind around a lot of 226 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: things I just shake my head at that have been 227 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: going on the last couple of years. But it's you 228 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: know who, who's who's pulling the strings on this? Yeah. 229 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: So I often joke, although I'm actually being very truthful 230 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: in what I'm saying, it that it takes academics and 231 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas. Uh. 232 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: And so you're exactly right that all of these dreadful 233 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: ideas all stem from academia. For example, I'll give you one, 234 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: and if you want to do more, we can we 235 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: can cover other ones. Uh. Post Modernism is the idea 236 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: that there are no objective truths. We are completely shackled 237 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: by our subjectivity, by by our personal biases, by you know, 238 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: my relativity. You know, what's relatively true for you might 239 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: be different for me. Well, that's a dreadfully bad idea 240 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: because scientists wake up every morning under the working assumption 241 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: that there are you know, natural phenomena that we can 242 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: investigate as an evolutionary psychologist, I obviously study a haired 243 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: human nature. There are things that make the Peruvian consumer 244 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: and the Nigerian consumer and the Japanese consumer similar to 245 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: each other precisely because they have a shared biological heritage. 246 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: So postmodernism is in a sense what I call intellectual terrorism, 247 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: because it rejects the idea that there's anything as a 248 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: fundamental objective truth. Now, the ones who come up with 249 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: these kind of you know, imbecilic ideas, they don't suffer 250 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: the consequences of their stupidity. Right. So, for example, one 251 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of the reasons why you don't have many of these 252 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: dumb ideas in the business school where I where I reside, 253 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: or say an engineering school, is because you can't build 254 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: bridges using postmodernist physics. It doesn't exist. You can't you 255 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: can't build a mathematical model to understand consumer choice using 256 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: postmodernist mathematics. And so this is why my discipline has 257 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: been less parasitized by this kind of stupidity. But in 258 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: other disciplines and the humanities and the social sciences, it's 259 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: literally nonsense. Like if you walk in as a lay 260 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: person and see some of the stuff that your children 261 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: type be taught. You wouldn't believe that this is actually 262 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: being taught, right, I mean I received emails guys from adults. 263 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, A fifty year old person will write to 264 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: me and say, you know, dear Dr said, I hope 265 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: you don't mind if I ask you a question. I 266 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: just want to know. I mean, is it still acceptable 267 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: to say that only women uh menstruate? Or is that 268 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: no longer biologically acceptable? So the fact that a fifty 269 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: year old person in the twenty one century has to 270 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: contact me because he has lost the confidence to know 271 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: whether it's only women who menstruate or whether it's people 272 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: who menstruate, tells you how far down the abyss of 273 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: lunacy we've gotten. Doc, speaking of that lunacy and getting 274 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: into this with you, you had mentioned that obviously things 275 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: have been going onward the intellectuals and some don't don't 276 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,359 Speaker 1: have that kind of repercussion that other individuals do. Um, 277 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: where did we turn where we couldn't question things we 278 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: can process, or at least to process information. But it 279 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: seems like more more now in the day and age, 280 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: that we can't question anything anymore. Why is that? Well? 281 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: It really again starts, I mean, and I hate to 282 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: keep you know, putting the blame on universities, because of 283 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: course universities are also the purveyors of of great enrichment 284 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: at great knowledge and so on. But it really starts 285 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: in the universities where the reflex in the universities has 286 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: been to truly create sterile echo chambers when it comes 287 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: to you know, uh, idea diversities right, and here i'd 288 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to if I could take a minue or 289 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: two to analogize from something from evolutionary medicine. So on, 290 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: evolutionary medicine. Uh. There is this concept known as the 291 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: hygiene hypothesis. The idea being that, for example, if you 292 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: want to raise children who are not going to suffer 293 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: from asthma, you should raise them in an environment where 294 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: they are exposed to allergens you know, pettander for example, 295 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: because their immune system will then develop a the proper 296 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: immunological response to allergens. So your immune system expects to 297 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: be triggered by allergens, otherwise you will end up having 298 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: respiratory ailments if you grow up in a sterile environment. Well, 299 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: this brilliant neuropsychiatrist then and I discussed this in the 300 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: book He analogized this concept too. You know, ideological echo chambers. Right, 301 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Our brains, I argued in the book, have evolved to 302 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: be exposed to allergens. In this case, allergens are opposing ideas. Right, 303 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: I become a better debater if I learned what is 304 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: your opposing idea? Are our big brains expect to be challenged? 305 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: And yet what we've done over the past forty fifty 306 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: sixty years is create perfectly uniform echo chambers and universities. 307 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: And the way I demonstrate in the Parasitic Mind is 308 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: I just site studies that showed the breakdown of democrat 309 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: versus Republican political affiliations of professors, and it is absolutely insane. 310 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: In some fields, it's in the order of, you know, 311 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: forty four to zero, you know, a hundred to one. 312 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: So how could you then have well trained young adults 313 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: go into the world when they are truly, absolutely being 314 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: exposed to only one side of two issues. It's grotesque 315 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: and that's what I fight again. So on that note, then, doc, 316 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: why because you are active on social media then and 317 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: I have seen as much, um, why take shots at 318 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: some of the celebrities and athletes in our domain that 319 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: feel like they're above reproach because in a sense, it's 320 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: almost like a no win situation, right where they're not 321 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: gonna acknowledge what you are saying as a retort even 322 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: though you are correct. So why do that? Right? So 323 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: because they've got gigantic platforms, and and and by the way, 324 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: I get asked that many times, why do someone you know, 325 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: like you, with your credentials worry about what Sarah Silverman says? 326 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: Or well, because Sarah Silverman has, you know, twenty five 327 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: times my platform, Lebron James has I don't know how 328 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: many times my platforms. So in other words, uh, you know, 329 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: any syllable that Lebron James utters, regrettably will carry more 330 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: weight than the hundred top intellectuals put together. So by 331 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: sometimes going to their platform and challenging them, I'm recognizing, 332 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: as a good professor of marketing that I sometimes have 333 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: to take the message to where the consumers are, right. 334 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if I only speak to my high salute 335 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: and high grow I've rey towered dwelling colleagues in the 336 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: ivy leagues, I might convince them, but that's twenty five people, right, 337 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: But if I go to Lebron James thirty million people 338 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: or however many, and I can get one percent of 339 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: them to rethink their position. From an impact perspective, I've 340 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: been quite impactful. So I'm not so haughty and so 341 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: elitist as to think that I am above communicating with everyone. 342 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: That's why I stimes I'll engage someone on social media 343 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: has two followers. Most of my colleagues with never you know, 344 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: stooped to communicating with the great unwashed. And that's why 345 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: I call myself the professor of the people. Well, with 346 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the marketing aspect, then, doc, do you feel like our 347 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: society is dumber or smarter because of social media? I 348 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: mean it's a two edged sword because on the one hand, 349 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: of course, uh, social media allows for the rapid velocity, 350 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: you know, spread of information, right. I mean I can 351 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: get on Joe Rogan and then he could tweet something 352 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: and I could have more impact based on that tweet 353 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: than I could in writing academic papers. So on the 354 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: one hand, of course, social media affords us unbelievable opportunities 355 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: to spread messages. But of course the other side of 356 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: the coin is that it allows all sorts of you know, uh, 357 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: enemies of reason to also proliferate their message. So I 358 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: guess the question is are you a good enough consumer 359 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: of information to know which information is the vertical one 360 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: and which is the yes one? And that's why I 361 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: always keep fighting at the Battle of ideas, because I 362 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: always get so upset when I see garbage being espoused 363 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: by all sorts of people. Yeah, and dog and following 364 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: up on that, you know, we are on social media 365 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: obviously all the time. Everyone is in our the media 366 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: business that I work in, and how much of it 367 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: is real? I've I've taken the position it's kind of 368 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: like the matrix, right that you know, you don't know 369 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: what's real and what's fake, and there's a lot of 370 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: bots and algorithms and all that, and it's it's really like, 371 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: as you you deal with the human reaction to you know, 372 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: business and products and whatnot. Isn't this a form of 373 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: mind manipulation in many ways at the same time because 374 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: you really don't know, as you said, you don't know 375 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: what's real, what's not, and who's trying to pull your chain? Yeah? 376 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely listen. Uh A kind of a related note, I 377 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: realized that via my use of satire. So for your 378 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: listeners who may or may not know this. Why the 379 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: many tools of persuasion that I use is, you know, 380 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm very very heavy on satire and sarcasm, right and irony, 381 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: and so oftentimes I rejoice in having a major media 382 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: outlet not realized that I was being sarcastic and then 383 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: share my stuff thinking that I actually meant what I 384 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: said when I was actually being perfectly sarcastic, and as 385 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: as I guess, you guys know that that's very much posed. Well, 386 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: a few years ago, I can't remember who it was, 387 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: maybe it was PJ Media, and one of these major 388 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: outlets had put out the top ten dumbest quotes of 389 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: the year, and I think I had landed at number five, 390 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: or I can't remember that of the whole year. They 391 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: didn't realize that I was aping all of the progressive platitudes. 392 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: I was being sarcastic, and of course, once they realized that, 393 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: they very quietly removed my quote. But I rejoiced in 394 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: being able to to to fool all of these embestoles, because, uh, 395 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: it demonstrates what kind of lunatic world we live in. 396 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: I loved your your video the other day about you 397 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: know what's going Obviously you're very tight and you grew 398 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: up in the Middle East, and and what's been going 399 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: on in the last couple of weeks there and you 400 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: issued an apology of video which was that was a 401 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: tan doc guy. That was outstanding. I mean, yeah, how 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: how weird? You know, how weird if people obviously look 403 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: to you for you know, help. Everyone's got different opinions 404 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: on what's going on with with Israel and the in 405 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: the Middle East and all that, and and you you 406 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: obviously live there. You you have your family from there 407 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And how weird is it, you know, seeing 408 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: this and it's been going on your entire life, everyone's 409 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: entire life, Like it's how weird is that whole situation 410 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: from your perspective because you know firsthand what what goes 411 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: on in that part of the country or pat Park. Yeah, so, 412 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: I mean, for your listeners who may not know this, 413 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: we are we you meaning my family were part of 414 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: the last remaining Lebanese Jews in Lebanon. Uh. You know, 415 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the Middle East had a you know, a sizeable, albeit 416 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: a small minority of Arabic Jewice like Iraqi Iraqi Jewice, 417 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: Syrian Jews, Egyptian Jews, Lebanese Jews. But then they all 418 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, slowly either left or magically disappeared. Uh, And 419 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: we were part of the steadfastly you know, stayed in 420 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: Lebanon despite the fact that they were you know, warning 421 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: signs that it was no longer a good idea to 422 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: be Jewish in Lebanon. And then in the mid seventies, 423 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: when the Civil War began, it really wasn't possible to 424 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: be Jewish and Lebanon. And so we were in Lebanon 425 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: for the first year of the civil war, and then 426 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: we were lucky to escape. And I discussed all this 427 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: in the first chapter of The Perasitic Mind, and I 428 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: discussed it in the context of identity politics because I 429 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: explained to people that to the extent that you now 430 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: have one of the two major parties in the United States, 431 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: the Democrats, that are basing everything on identity politics, I'm 432 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: i'm I'm giving people a warning because Lebanon is exactly 433 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: what happens to a society when it perfectly adheres to 434 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: identity politics. Right. So the the end downstream effects of 435 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: having identity politics rule your life is called Lebanon. And 436 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: so anyway, so we left Lebanon and moved to Montreal, Canada. 437 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: My parents kept returning to Lebanon because we still had 438 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, some businesses there and so on. And then 439 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: they were kidnapped by FATA, which is a Palestinian group. 440 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: And our our home itself are our home in Beirut 441 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: was occupied by Palestinians, Palestinian refugees, and so yes, I'm 442 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: very very familiar with the area. Now. Look, I don't 443 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: hold any ill will against Palestinians, because yes, they were 444 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Muslim militia that wanted to kill us in Lebanon, but 445 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: it's also Palestinian militia who protected us and drove us 446 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: out of you know, out of to the to the 447 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: Beirut International Airport. So I don't condemn people based on 448 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: the action of someone else. Right, So by the same token, 449 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: it breaks my heart that Jews now are being attacked 450 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: all over the place, including in Montreal, because you know, 451 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: they're Jewish, and then somehow they are collectively guilty for 452 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: what Israel you know, uh, you know, is doing, you know, 453 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: to pass things and so on. I frankly think it's 454 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: an intractable problem. I don't think that it will ever 455 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: be solved until people recognized recognize their common humanity. The 456 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: problem in the Middle East is that that's probably never 457 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: going to happen, because everything, as I said, is viewed 458 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: through you, through tribal allegiance, through the religion that you 459 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: belong to, and unfortunately, very few of those tribes view 460 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: the Jews positively, and so I fear that these realities 461 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: will always exist. Be sure to catch live editions of 462 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven 463 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: pm Pacific. Be sure to catch live editions of The 464 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm 465 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio 466 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: app and doc. On that note, with travelism, I mean 467 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: Ben and I talked about this at pretty good length 468 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: because it has now seemed and bled into sports, into 469 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: our arena of work and enjoyment. Were now it seems 470 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: like you're either on one side of the aisle or 471 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: the other side of the aisle. Do you think that 472 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: the power of money has has pushed this thing to 473 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: the edge where it's it's irreversible that sports and I 474 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: guess media as as a whole, will will never get 475 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: back to a constructive black and white like this is 476 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: exactly what it's intended for information or for sports entertainment. 477 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Do you think we ever get back to something like that. Well, 478 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: I hope that we're able to get back to a 479 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: time where people don't take their political positions in arenas 480 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: where those arenas precisely exists, so that we don't act 481 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: tribal in a tribal way. Right. So sports is a 482 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: place where uh, you know, I could hopefully forget that 483 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm Jewish or Muslim, or I support the Democrats or Republicans, 484 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: and I have allegiance to whatever the Dallas Cowboys, right, 485 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's an opportunity for people to look 486 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: for their common love for for competition. And but by 487 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: the way, just to link it, link your question about 488 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: sports to what we were talking about in the previous 489 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: question in the Middle East. In in my book, I 490 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: talk about the following story because it relates to sports. 491 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: My brother, actually the brother that I mentioned earlier, who 492 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: had moved to California in the four My brother was 493 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: was the champion of judo judo champion of Lebanon several 494 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: years in a row. He actually, by the way, represented 495 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Lebanon in the nineteen seventy six Olympics in Montreal. Well 496 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: in around nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy four, before the 497 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: Civil War started, he was visited by some men who 498 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: told him that it was time for him to retire, 499 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: because you know, it's not a good look for a 500 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: Jew to constantly be winning a combat sport. And so 501 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall. He wasn't going to 502 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: quit his judo career, so he moved to Paris, France, 503 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: where actually the French are very good at Judeo historically, 504 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and he continued his career there. But I listened to 505 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: the irony the guy who had to leave Lebanon because 506 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: he was a Jew who was always winning the Lebanese championship. 507 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: His jewishness no longer mattered when it came to him 508 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: representing Lebanon in the nineteen Olympics. At that point they 509 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: were willing to forgive, you know, that dirtiness of him 510 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: being a Jew. So that shows you what happens when 511 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: we start incorporating all these tribal divisions within sports. Sports 512 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: should unite us, not divide us. So it's really regrettable. 513 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we we have we have issues now with meritocracy. 514 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: It seems like like you can't the scoreboard doesn't matter anymore. 515 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: It feels like even outside the sports world, you know, 516 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: resumes with degrees, whether it's a bachelor's, a master's, and PhD, 517 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anymore. I mean here in California they're 518 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: doing away with standardized testing for you for universities. Well, 519 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: it is actually much worse than that. So uh, at 520 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: the at the academicals on academia, you would think that 521 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: just like a hundred meter dash is judged based on 522 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: who crosses the line first, right, Uh, I mean, if 523 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: there's ever a case of a pure meritocracy, it would 524 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: be the hundred meters tacks while you would think that 525 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: academic excellence, you know, for professors should be the same, 526 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: but now shared professorship. So the highest level of professorships 527 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: that are endowed by the Canadian government are bestowed a 528 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: lot more based on what I call the Die religion. 529 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Die is an acronym that I use for diversity, inclusion 530 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: and equity. Right, So I call it the Die religion 531 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: because the application of Die principles is exactly where meritocracy 532 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: goes to die. Right, So, so we no longer judge 533 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: you based on the strength of your scientific dosia, which 534 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: ug you if you are the right skin you, if 535 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: you've got the right gender orientation, or sexual orientation or ethnicity. 536 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it is really grotesque. And what upsets me 537 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: the most is that all of this perfectly illiberal nonsense, 538 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: it's cloaked under the robe of progressivism, right. I mean, 539 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: in the old days, the racists wore ropes, they were 540 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: called the KKK, and we disavowed them. But today they 541 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: wear cloaks, the robes of progressivism. They could be fully racist, 542 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: and we're supposed to say, wow, bravo, bravo, it's so 543 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: great to hire people based on their skin color. It's grotesque. 544 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, for someone like me who escaped the Middle East, 545 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: it breaks my heart to see what we're doing to 546 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: the West. Yeah. And and doc, I mean, we saw 547 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: this week the mayor of Chicago, major city, obviously you here, 548 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: saying they would she would only or limit the media 549 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: interviews to people of color, not people have got a 550 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Journalists of color. Yeah, yeah, journalists have color. I mean, 551 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. It I despise this fill in the 552 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: blank of color, communities of color, soccer players of color. 553 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I guarantee you that in ten years, some 554 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: some some you know, language police person will arise and 555 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: say it is no longer acceptable to say this, and 556 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I will be the one clapping because 557 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: I find it ridiculous. What what is this journalist of color? 558 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: What is a by the way in universities? Now you 559 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: have all these activist students who will you know, occupy 560 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: the President's office saying things like we need a speaker 561 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: series of color, we need mentor of colors, we need 562 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: mathematicians of color. Really, I thought mathematics is where you 563 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: leave your identity at the door. Right. The distribution of 564 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: prime numbers is the distribution of prime numbers irrespective of 565 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: whether I'm indigenous or an Orthodox Jew or a Islamic 566 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I mom, I mean, it's insane. Doc. At a lighter note, 567 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: I know, obviously the parasitic of mind is something that 568 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: that Ben and I have talked about a little bit. 569 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: But you guys do share something else in common, and 570 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: it's the uh. It's the diet. Now. Ben is a 571 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: huge fan of the intermittent fasting. And I know that 572 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: you're getting the uh the pounds down to what inspired 573 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: you to to lose the weight and UH and do 574 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: you dip it? Do you dip your toes into the 575 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: deep end of the intermittent fasting at all? Right? Yeah, 576 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: thank well, thank you for that personal question. Uh So, 577 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: actually I just played myself today, um at one, which 578 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: is the lowest I've been probably I don't know in 579 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: twenty years. Uh one two is still way too heavy 580 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: for someone of my height, So probably another twenty pounds 581 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: will be ideal. But as I always joke, I always 582 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: need to keep a bit of extra fat because sin 583 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: God will cause social uh strife and will cause marital instability. 584 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: Then God is simply too good looking to walk in public. 585 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: But any case, Uh what what what motivated me to 586 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: do it is, frankly, uh, the realization that I have 587 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: young children and I want to put all the odds 588 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: in my favor. And for many years I've wanted to 589 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: lose weight. I would sort of lose a bit of weight, 590 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: but then I would clutau and finally I said, look, 591 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: this is not rocket science. There's gotta be a way 592 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: for me to train enough, although I've always been very athletic. 593 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: But really, of course, as you know, the main problem 594 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: is what you put in your mouth. And so I 595 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: think this time. The way that I've been able to 596 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: crack it is I try to keep my food to 597 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: about fifteen six hundred cowries a day, and I always 598 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: do at least fifteen thousand steps, so I call it 599 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: the fifteen fifteen regiment. And the weight it has come 600 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: after the tune of about forty pounds since intermittent fast thing. 601 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: I've only done it within the daily windows, so like, 602 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: for example, I've gone on those sixteen hour windows where 603 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: I don't eat, but I haven't done intermittent fasting in 604 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, some folks will do, you know, 605 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, so it's nothing that's severe. But I've 606 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: certainly dabbled with the twelve to sixteen windows, if that's 607 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: what you mean. Yeah, Doug, I love food and I 608 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: was a very large man for a long time. And 609 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: the only way I've really been able to keep the 610 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: weight off is the inner minute fasting. But because I 611 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, once I start eating, it's hard. I cannot. 612 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do the sixteen hundred calories 613 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: a day thing, because I once I get god, it's 614 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: very hard to stop. I've got a wife who I 615 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: call her get stop mode when she when she gets 616 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: on it and she sees me hovering around the kitchen, 617 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: she'll give me one of those looks. I will swallow 618 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: my saliva and go back and sit down. That's maybe 619 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: that's what I'm joking. She's not that diapolic because she's very, 620 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: very lovely. But look, I really think it's having having 621 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: young children really helps. Uh. You know, I used to 622 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: when I would get on a flight before, I never 623 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: thought about the plane crashing. Whereas the minute that I 624 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: had a child and I would get on a plane, 625 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: I would have this whole ex potential angst. What if 626 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the plane crash, I'll never see them grow up on it. 627 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: So I think that really accelerated my desire to lose 628 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: weight because I want to be hopefully around for a 629 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: long time, and being very overweight it's not really doing 630 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't too many hundred year olds who 631 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: are you know, fifty pounds overweights? Right, Yeah, you go 632 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: to the retirement homes. There's not a lot of large 633 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: people in entirement homes, unfortunately. But uh, but I wanna 634 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: go back to, you know, some of the things that 635 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,959 Speaker 1: the issues of the day here. And I saw something 636 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: you said the other day. You said that this whole 637 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: woke revolution is like a religion, and I thought that 638 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: was that was great because it seems like everyone's trying 639 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: to one up each other and trying to be more 640 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: more woke, woke mcwoke and all that. Can you can 641 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: you expand on what you were getting at with that phrase, Doc, Well, so, 642 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the religion? It has certain revealed truth 643 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: that are inviolable. Right, So the difference between science and 644 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: religion is that science always grade under provisional truths, meaning 645 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: what we might think something is true, and we might 646 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: think it's true for three d years. But if new 647 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: data comes in that causes us to reevaluate what we 648 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: thought was was true for hundreds of years, then we 649 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: have what's called the epistemic humility to alter our beliefs. 650 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: Of course, religion doesn't operate that way. Right, It is 651 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: true because my book says it's true, and therefore it's 652 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: true because it's in my book. That's what that's why 653 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: we say it's revealed true. It is impervious to uh falsification. Well, 654 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the woke tenants are exactly that, right, 655 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: There is a tenant right you are no longer allowed 656 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: to say that there are two sexes, that the default 657 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: phenotypes of male and female are of humans is male 658 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: and female. That's not acceptable. I have to say that 659 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: there are eight hundred and seventy three genders, and that's 660 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: the revealed truth. And if I don't say that, I 661 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: should be canceled right in the Middle East, we just 662 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: execute you. In the West, we we only cancel your 663 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: career and ostras as you. Right. So, so in that sense, 664 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: there is this you know, blindness to incoming information because 665 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: it's a form of quasi secular religion. So it's in 666 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: that sense that I compared to the other thing that 667 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: I would say that is very similar between religion and wokenus. 668 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: And I discussed this in the parasitic mind. So if so, 669 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: Shariah law is the Islamic law, and under Islamic law, 670 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: it is exactly antithetical to the US justice system. The 671 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 1: US justice system is supposed to be blind, right, blind 672 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: to your identity. Well, Shariah law is exactly not that. Right. So, 673 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: for example, if a Muslim man kills the Jewish man, 674 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: it's a very different penalty then if it's the other 675 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: way around, and that's codified in Sharia law. Well, progressive 676 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: ism or woke woke is m is exactly like Sharia 677 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: la right, So if I can say the N word, 678 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: depends on whether what my color of skin is right. 679 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: So the crime, whether it be a linguistic crime or 680 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: a thought crime or an actual physical crime, depends on 681 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: the identity of the perpetrator and the victim. So the 682 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: progressives are thinking that they are being liberal, whereas in 683 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: reality they are mimicking Shariah laws of which I escape. 684 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: It's grotesque. And in that sense, walkasm is just another 685 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: grotesque religion and doc in a sense to it almost 686 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: sounds like you can classify the United States as a religion. Right, 687 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: you go to Texas, you go to Florida, you might 688 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: go to Oklahoma. It's a lot different of a feeling 689 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: in nature and also mind that it would be if 690 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: you came here to California or Washington or Oregon. Countries 691 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: that are are states that are blue versus the states 692 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: that are read. Yes, that's true, and but this is why, 693 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: by the way, So if you want look to be tribal, 694 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: is really to be human. So we have a involved 695 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,479 Speaker 1: coalitional psychology where we view the world as blue team 696 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: and red team US versus then. So so it's very 697 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: difficult to eradicate that instinct to be coalitional or tribal. 698 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: But one of the beauties of the American experience is 699 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: that its places the Constitution. I mean not to it 700 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: almost sounds like I'm being religious here, but the Constitution 701 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: as a as a document is what then unites Americans. 702 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: And and and I'm amazed that I have to be 703 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: the one saying that as a Canadian and speaking to Americans. Right, 704 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: so it should be that we don't have blue states 705 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: and red states, but we only have allegiance to the Constitution. 706 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: That's what made America the great experience, the great uh, 707 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, societies that you've built over two hundred plus years. 708 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 1: But now we don't have that. We don't have adherence 709 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: to the Constitution. We have adherence to parties, and hence 710 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: we are succumbing to that basal instinct of tribalism. Yeah, 711 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: really shameful, and people forget obviously we are a constitutional 712 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: republic and exactly democracy democracy is one thing, but obviously 713 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: the republic is another. But don't you do you feel though, 714 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: I guess in that sense because when you look at 715 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: some of the things that make up the country right 716 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: now is the United States. They are dominant by one 717 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: political party, so you can't help in certain circumstances that 718 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: you need to acquiesce to to the ones that are 719 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: writing the paycheck for you. Look, I mean, I understand 720 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: the stressors, and I understand that you know, people shouldn't 721 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: be unnecessary martyrs. But whenever people send me I mean, 722 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: I received you a million emails in a given week, 723 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: and many of them will kind of end with the 724 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 1: following final sentence. You know, I love you, DR said, 725 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: thank you for your blah. Please, if you're going to 726 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: read my email, don't mention my identity. Right, So, if 727 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: you are so cowardly that you're not even courageous enough 728 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: to simply stand next to the one who's taking all 729 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: the risks, how should we can contextualize your cowardice comparing 730 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: it to say, the young men who landed on Normandy 731 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: and knew that they would be mowed down by Nazi 732 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: machine guns like little insignificant mosquito, so that you and 733 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: I could be sitting having this conversation today, how does 734 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: your cowardice compared to that so in a war, whether 735 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: it be in ideological war or in actual physical war, 736 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: there are casualties. That's why it's called the war. So 737 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: I understand that everybody wants to be safe, but you 738 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: also have to be anti fragile. Right, So when I 739 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: see kids today complaining about whatever they complain about, you know, 740 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: my god, maybe I'm going to be miss gendered. I say, yeah, 741 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: you should have lived ten minutes of my childhood and Lebanon, 742 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: where I didn't know every minute whether I was going 743 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: to live to the next minute. So people have to 744 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: stop being invertebrates. They have to grow a spine. We 745 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: are a vertebrate species. We have a spine, So try 746 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: to find your spine. Try to grow a pair. If 747 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: I can be colloquial in that way and speak out, Now, 748 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: you don't have to be an unnecessary martyr, but you 749 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: don't subcontract your voice to those who are willing to 750 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: take the risk for you. You have to activate your 751 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: inner honey badger and speak out. So that in a way, 752 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, it does sound like you you 753 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: are acknowledging that I am. I'm brave for working with 754 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: Ben Mallorca and his audience is they're relentless on their attacks. 755 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, we gotta have you are my hero. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, 756 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: this whole cancel culture thing, right, like, you know, is 757 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: is there any going back? I mean, I remember when 758 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: I was a kid and and people you know, back 759 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: in my day, and we you know, I didn't have 760 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: the life you had obviously, but you know, in my 761 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: life experience, I had a mother that was liberal and 762 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: a father that was conservative, and they were battle it 763 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: out at the dinner table and then they'd hug it out. 764 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: I had buddies of mind that you know, we were 765 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: from different backgrounds and we'd bust each other's chops and 766 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: then we'd be fine. But now it's like, if you don't, 767 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: if you're not in lockstep, as we've talked about, and 768 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: you've got into great detail here, you know, you've got 769 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: to you know, distance yourself or now the cancel culture. 770 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: What's the path to getting back to closer to the 771 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: way it was? Doc? Right? It has to be costly 772 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: for the Cretans who are promulgating the cancel culture ethos 773 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: right right now, there are no consequences to their tactics. 774 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: So let me give you an example. If I start 775 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: engaging someone on Twitter about some issue whatever, the Israeli 776 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: Postinian thing. Right, you may have a different position from mine, 777 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: and we we we we look it out on on Twitter, 778 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: and then whatever, either I convince you or you convince me, 779 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: or we don't budge in our respective positions and we 780 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: live to love another day. But now what they will 781 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: do is they will then tag my university and say, 782 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: how do you keep the skuy this this, this uh 783 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, uh justifier of the general side of the policy, 784 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: and they start tagging my university. Well, I can't engage 785 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: in the same terrorists tactics on them because you know, 786 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: they're not public figures. I don't know where they were, 787 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: even though I would never do it to them, So 788 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: that a symmetry. The fact that they can try to 789 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: terrorize me in this way without any repercussions on them 790 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: is what emboldens them to do it. Right. The fact 791 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: that administrators and universities allow this nonsense to take place 792 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: by allowing the you know, blue haired people to d 793 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: platform everyone with whom they disagree is what. But now, 794 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 1: let's suppose a donor who's giving a hundred million dollars 795 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: at this university suddenly says, if a single person at 796 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: this university is d platform and the next ten years 797 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: you won't get a cent from me. Suddenly that one 798 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars that I might lose as the president 799 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: of that university suddenly my ears per cup. So in 800 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: other words, we have to incentivize these cretans into fighting 801 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: against council cultures. As long as there are no costs 802 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 1: for the mob not coming after you and terrorizing hits 803 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: will go on. So what I'd like to see is 804 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: that people wait. And by the way, you're starting to 805 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 1: see it now with critical race theory, right, So a 806 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: lot of parents are now mobilizing to fight against this nonsense. 807 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: And I can assure you that if more and more 808 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: parents start going through these, you know, education board meetings 809 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: and screaming and shouting against the racist nonsense of critical 810 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: race theory, it will suddenly, uh disappear and the administrators 811 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: will acquiesce. So there is no magic recipe. People have 812 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: to be engaged and we can hopefully very quickly turn 813 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: this around. Now, Doc, I don't know if you're aware 814 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: of this, but this sounds an awful lot like SEC football. 815 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: Like SEC football is king in the United States when 816 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: it comes to college athletics, and donors will have the 817 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: heads of head coaches that they can't perform and compete 818 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: against the Alabamas of the world or Georgia or Tennessee 819 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: or whatnot. So it sounds like a lockstep football kind 820 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: of brings the country back into the full smooth unity. 821 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, glad, I'm interrupted. Also say, when you 822 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,320 Speaker 1: when you mentioned critical race theory, you're actually gonna be 823 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: speaking with someone that's been a driving force on the 824 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: pushback in exactly this Monday, actually, well tomorrow, I'm speaking 825 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: to Amy Chua, who is the colloquially she's referred to 826 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: as the Tiger Mom. She she's a Yale University, UH 827 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 1: law school professor who wrote, I mean, she's written many books, 828 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: one of which actually is relevant to what we were 829 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: talking about. Tribes. She wrote a book on you know, 830 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 1: political tribes and so on. But earlier she had written 831 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: a book about, you know, the battle him of the 832 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: Tiger Mom. And she's a real honey badger, right, because 833 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: she's existing in an ecosystem of ultra liberals, and you know, 834 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: she certainly is a lot more conservative and she doesn't 835 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: just you know, conform to the ideology and Christopher Ruffo, 836 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: with whom I'll be speaking on my show on Monday, 837 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: has become a real nemesis to all these crt you know, 838 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: racists because he you know, they're winning legal, you know, 839 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: legal victory over legal victory all over the country. So look, 840 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: this guy didn't start off, you know, with with the 841 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: clear idea that that's what he was going to be. 842 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I guess we'll talk about her 843 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: on Monday, he decided he wants to take on this, 844 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, he wants to take on dismantle and and 845 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: look where he's scott in him. So, you know, often 846 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: I will get people who write to me and say, well, 847 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have Joe Rogan's platform. I'm not 848 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: some fancy professor with your platform. Professor, I who's gonna 849 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: listen to? Well, you don't. You don't have to effect 850 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: change in the millions. If your professor says something that is, 851 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: you know, inbecilic and contrary to common sense, why don't 852 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: you challenge him or her politely? If if your friend 853 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: says something at the pub that you disagree with, rather 854 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: than worrying about if you disagree with him, he might 855 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: unfriend you, why don't you grow up pair and actually 856 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: challenge him politely. So, in other words, we can affect 857 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: change within the small sphere of influence of our daily lives. 858 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 1: And and and I guess Christopher Ruffo is as a 859 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: perfect example of that. He didn't start off as a 860 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: fancy professor or as Joe Rogan, and look at the 861 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: influence he has now, Yeah, it's it's amazing. Dog. One 862 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: last question for me before Benson's it out, Um, do 863 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: you feel that the political activities of the far left 864 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: are sophisticated marketing programs? I mean, I don't know. I 865 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: mean yes and no. I mean there's susistic there. They're 866 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: they're smart, and that they found a way to infiltrate 867 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: that they dominate all of the key structures that define intelligentia, journalism, academia, Hollywood. Now, 868 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that that was sort of a planned 869 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: conspiratorial thing. On the other hand, as you probably have 870 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: all heard the standard joke that you know, the right 871 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: has better means the right has better sense of humor. 872 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: So I don't think that, you know, marketing ability is 873 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: restricted to one political tribe or another. I think though, 874 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: that to the extent that all of the choke points 875 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: of the intelligentsia are completely controlled by one party. They 876 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: don't even need to have good marketing because they control 877 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: the full narrative. Right. I mean you have Fox in 878 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: the US and that's it, right. Who who else has 879 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: an opposing view to the mainstream media. So I think 880 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: that's what's unhealthy. And if we can just infuse diversity 881 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: of thought at each of these structures, will be a 882 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: much more vibrant and healthy society. Well, Doc, I know 883 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: we've taken more of your time than we said we would. Uh, 884 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: bad job by us. But how can for those you 885 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: know when you mentioned the book we mentioned a few 886 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: times Parasitic Mind? How can people find it? You've got 887 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel which is very popular, which is great, 888 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: and I know you're obviously very big on Twitter. How 889 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: can people follow you? Get in the book the whole thing, 890 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: promote all of this, Doctor, Oh, thank you, sir. So 891 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,879 Speaker 1: my my book, my list book is called the Parasitic Mind, 892 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: How infectious ideas are killing common sense? They could certainly 893 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: get on Amazon or whatever books are sold. Uh. My 894 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: Twitter handle is at gat g A D S A 895 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: A D. I have a podcast and a YouTube channel. 896 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: It's called the sad truth s A A D. I 897 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: have a public uh Facebook page. I'm everywhere. I hunt 898 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: your dreams. It's not difficult to find and listen. You're 899 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,399 Speaker 1: gonna be a dangerous man if you can and west 900 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 1: of the four oh five. Back to that beach. Document 901 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,440 Speaker 1: is a little bit more weight. No, no, you can 902 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: come back to irv or Irvine is is west and 903 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: east of the four oh five, so you could you 904 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,399 Speaker 1: could be an Irvine to be east of the formula. Anyway, Doc, 905 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, have a great day, appreciate it. 906 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: My pleasures. Cheers, guys. Chip. Be sure to catch live 907 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am 908 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Be sure to catch live editions 909 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern 910 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I 911 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,959 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app.