1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: It's time for the b a qa A. The b 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: a q A what you say, the b a q 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: A mand the b a q A with Tipp and a. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: The b a qa A, It's Brad a question answered. 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: You have questions. We have some of your answers because 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: we are smart, beautiful brown girls who know a thing 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: or two about business, career, money, and entrepreneurship. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: That was the other one, I think, So yeah, welcome 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: back to b a qa I'm so excited about this 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: week's questions. We are diving into y'all's career questions and 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: there's some juicy ones in here. And also one of them, 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Tip's going to have some some juicy 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: advice for too, because it's about someone who's dipping their 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: toe into consulting and contracting and wants to know how 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: they make people pay him on time or her on time. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: But let's get into it. Just remind her, like Tiff said, 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: we're not financial experts or you know, especially certainly not 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: your trusted advisor out side of the podcast, so please 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: don't sue us. You know, we're just here for a 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: fun time and a good time and to leave y'all 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: with hopefully a little bit of wisdom. But yeah, you 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: can miss us with your lawsuits. Let's jump into it. 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: This first question comes from concerned contractor. They say, longtime listener, 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: first time writer, Love you both, bunches. I recently began 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: grad school and have been dipping my toe into part 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: time consulting and contracting. So I have a two part question. 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: How do you on the front end prevent non payment 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: when you are consulting? And number two, what do you 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: do when you when you haven't been paved and you're 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: starting to receive the run around. I'm currently in situation 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: number two. I've been trying to be patient, as I 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: have a previous relationship with your organization. However, I'm beginning 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: to feel taken advantage of I'm non confrontational by nature, 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: but I can be sugnighted if it comes to that. 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: Help concerned contractor, all right, let's put the piece down. 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: We don't need any sugar night shenanigans here, okay, but 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: I not tiff like in your work and certainly in 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: my work. Now I have dealt with more contracts and 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: more you know, looking at the terms of the agreement 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: and like when will I get paid? And it's funny 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: because or not funny. It sucks when you are, you know, 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: expecting people to pay you during it, like you think 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: you should get paid right away, but sometimes these contracts 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: be like you know, what's the word what's that phrase 45 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: they use for when they're going to pay you? Yes, 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: thank you? Yeah, net thirty, next sixty, next ninety. So 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: my first piece of advice would be too, is to 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: have a contract, like actually have the terms so that 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: you know and they know what you're agreeing to. And 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if in this case, did you have a 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: contract or was it a situation where it was like 52 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: because you had worked with them before, you know, you 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: did the work and you know that you were all 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: like Kiki, nice, nice, and and get it written down 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: you know when they were gonna owe you, because that's 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 2: really important. 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: And also to consider having some money being paid up front, 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, like like a deposit, so that way you know, 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: at least you get something, you know, upfront, Like typically 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: I get about half upfront. 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: Typically sometimes not, it. 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: Depends, like like for example, if I speak for a 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: college or whatever, sometimes I'll you know, they'll literally have 65 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: a check for me today I show up. 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: But typically I get that check before I hit that stage. 67 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, really yeah, but consider you know, like in 68 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: your contract having people pay you upfront, not not they're 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: likely not to pay you all, but half upfront or 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: like in thirds front middle end, depending how long the 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: contract is for. 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: You know, they'll consider that too. 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: And I, I know this is really hard, Like you 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: might have to take people to small claim score. You 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: might have to you know, you should, like when you're 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: in business, you don't have to have return an attorney 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: on retainer, but you should have an attorney that you 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: can reach out to that's different. So my attorney, Tony Moore, 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: she's awesome, she's not on retainer, Like I don't just 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: pay her every month and be like I could just 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: ask endless questions. But when I need something, I know 82 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: I could say, hey, Tony, how much. 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: Does it go across? 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Because this person is do that. I need your help 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: with this. So you might have to take them to 86 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: small claims court and you might need the help of 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: an attorney, you know, Like there are some people you know, 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: I work with enough that like, I know I'm gonna 89 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: get my money. And there's definitely been some times because 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of my contract works gets filtered through my spokesperson, 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: agent Ellie k. And I've seen her like write emails 92 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: like hey Tiffany, I haven't gotten that first deposit, please 93 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: stop work and take down that post. 94 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: So she'll do something like that like see seeing. 95 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: Me in the company and then like wait wait wait 96 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: wait waitit because we did have somebody that was dragging 97 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: their feet. 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: You know. 99 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: She made it very clear to them if we don't 100 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: have this money by this time, Tiffany will stop working. 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: She won't ever work with you again. 102 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: So also see if maybe there's a third person, bad 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: guy that can like reach out even if it's you. Girls, 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: sometimes you just need to get another email address and 105 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: be the. 106 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: Third person that I like real legal at contractor dot 107 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: com exactly. 108 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: Yemm hmm. 109 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: So consider that too, and like I said, you might 110 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: have to go to small claims court and know that 111 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: you don't work with that again, you know, or if 112 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: you do ever work with them again, because certainly not 113 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: to shade the city I live in, but the city 114 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: I live in is notorious for late or no payment. 115 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: I said it no work, and I had to get 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: real gully with them when they owed me like a 117 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: lot of money it was like eight thousand dollars. And 118 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: this is when I pretty early on in my career. 119 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: So eight thousand was a break because I had put 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: they ordered books for me. I had paid for the 121 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: books on my credit card, and when they received the 122 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: books and nobody wanted to pay me, it was a 123 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: run around. It was a nightmare. And I was like, 124 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: it'd be one thing to not pay me for speaking, 125 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't necessarily come out of pocket. But I like, 126 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: the books cost me like three thousand dollars, you know, 127 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't have three thousand dollars. 128 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: And so what I did was I found out the 129 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: email address of every council person, the mayor's personal and professional, 130 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: every single person. 131 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: Of notes in Newark. 132 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: I put them on an email and I wrote a 133 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: letter saying I'm writing this letter out of active desperation 134 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: as a daughter of Newark, because they love that someone 135 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: was born here, taught here as a preschool teacher, started 136 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 1: my businesses here. 137 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 3: I spoke at this time. 138 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: I did this work and I have not been paid, 139 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: and I tried everything in my power to recoup this 140 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: income and I haven't been able to receive it. At 141 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: this point, I'm at my wits end. I'm not sure 142 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: what to do, so I'm reaching out to you for assistance. 143 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: Before I learned the media, girl, it was good, and 144 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: I took like I had screenshops of all the work, 145 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: screenshops of everyone who I spoke to. Every person that's folks, 146 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: so that gave me the run around. I highlighted their 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: name because I wanted them to know exactly who to 148 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: yell at. When I told you my phone right a 149 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: minute five May, my phone rang. So because the woman 150 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: who was supposed to pay me actually went to college 151 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: with she was a friend of mine, So I was like, girl, 152 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: why did not pick it out? 153 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: Is this someone that you know? Girl? 154 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: Always that personal connection that screws you, I mean, which 155 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: sucks because when you're early in your career, you rely 156 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: on those yes like relationships to get your first gig sometimes, 157 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: but they give me the run around. 158 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: But she had the right and the wrong one. So 159 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: she was like, I can't believe you write that and 160 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: that email. Nobody on there is related to this this whatever. 161 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, girl, get off my phone. Let 162 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: you have my money, you know, I said, because she said, 163 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: you could have just rolled me directly. I said, check 164 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: your text messages. I've been texting you for months. I 165 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: have been calling you for months. I've been emailing you 166 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: for months. You've ignored me, and so now here we are. 167 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: And then then I was like, wait, hold on, boop. 168 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: It was the Mayor's office. Your check is ready. You 169 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: want to pick it up? I said, sure, dude, I 170 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: at the time was driving my nineteen ninety eight Toyota Camri. 171 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: That sounded like who shot John? And why I pulled 172 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: up they I was like, They're like, do you want 173 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: to come in to get your check? I said no, 174 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: bring it to the car, because by then I was pissed. 175 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Garve rolled down the window just slightly so they could 176 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: slip the check to the car. 177 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, read to the bank. 178 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: But I just see all that to say, it might 179 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: be that you have to email above and beyond whoever 180 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: this person is running you around, c see everybody and 181 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: write like a you know, an a not so overtly threatening, 182 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: like this is what I've been through. Email, email, email, 183 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: screenshop screenshot, screenshot, you know, and you know my next step. Unfortunately, 184 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: will we have to take take this the small claims core, 185 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: which is not ideal and so that's it. 186 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I love that as a first up. 187 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: And then also I mean you could skip also to 188 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: just having a letter from an attorney or drafting up something, 189 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: and I bet you could find a template or something. 190 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: But you know, hello, it has been and you have 191 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: your facts. You know, it's been so many days of 192 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: non payment, and if you haven't completed the project, I 193 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: would say stop, you know, until you get the payment, 194 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: and then learn from it and make sure that in 195 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: your future contracts that either you have the language you can. 196 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: It does not have to be fancy legalies either. I 197 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: remember I spoke for like a PR firm and in 198 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: a Google doc, we just outlined, you know, when I 199 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: was going to speak, the rate and when they would 200 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: pay me. They didn't have any kind of contract like 201 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: in their you know, in the can that they could 202 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: use for this kind of thing. They hadn't done it before, 203 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: and I just we've signed it, like I printed it out, 204 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: signed it and scanned it back, you know, and that 205 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: was all it took. It doesn't always have to be 206 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: super complicated, but you have to look out for yourself 207 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: and make sure that people can take advantage of you. 208 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: And then yeah, there's I feel like the bigger the company, 209 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: the longerson has it takes to get paid, you'd be surprised. 210 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: It's never the people who are small businesses or other 211 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, other entrepreneurs who forgive me the run around. 212 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: It's it's the big companies. So but exciting for you 213 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: to have this additional source of income while you're in 214 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: grad school. I think that's really smart. But I mean, 215 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: if you want to work with people and you want 216 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: to attract the best talent, you can't be paying them. 217 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: You can't like not be paying them on time. It's trash. 218 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't look good on you. I bet this person 219 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: like you probably will look think really long and hard before. 220 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: You have to work for them again. You know, so 221 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: money up for it? 222 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: If you ever worked for the city of Newark Hill 223 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: before I do anything now, I'm like. 224 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: I need my money up. Five. Thanks. I love You're 225 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: probably legendary. 226 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: They remember. 227 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: The daughter of Newark. Let's take it all. Second question. 228 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 229 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: All right, y'all, we are back with our second question. 230 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: This book comes from Listener and you want to read 231 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: it to sure. 232 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: Hey, ladies, A few weeks before I thought out I 233 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: was pregnant, congratulations. Oh, I was fired from a new 234 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: job I started due to budget cuts. Although being fired sucked, 235 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: it was a blessing in disguise. I had a horrible 236 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: first trimester. If I were at the job, I would 237 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: have had to be put on FMLA for the entire trimester. 238 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Now that I'm striving in my second trimester, I decided 239 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: to start looking for work. If I find a job 240 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: before giving birth in about twenty four weeks. When do 241 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: I tell them I'm pregnant or should I wait until 242 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: I give birth to start looking. I look forward to 243 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: your suggestions. 244 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh, this is out of my wheelhouse. 245 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this as an employer, I would prefer 246 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: her obviously that you let me know and let me decide, 247 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: and I might say start after you come back from 248 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, the baby. 249 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 3: I don't mind because we've had people. 250 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Tam, it's my CEO of the Literature Accounemy 251 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: has had two kids while here. So having children when 252 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: you're you know, when you are part of the staff, 253 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: we love it. It's a little baby unicorn. You take 254 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: your three four months whatever, no problem. But someone who's 255 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: literally starting and then like a month later leaving, I 256 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: feel like that might be a bit disruptive, and so 257 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: as an employer, that would not be my first choice. 258 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to know. So I can say you 259 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: seem awesome. How about you come back when you're back back. 260 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the good news for you, Anne is that 261 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: you have no legal obligation to tell your employer that 262 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: you're pregnant before you take a job. Now that doesn't 263 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: mean that in some cases, like TIF said, it wouldn't 264 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: be nice to give them a heads up. But I 265 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: think the reality is, like I can see how if 266 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: you're coming into a role and you're in an executive 267 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: level position and you are going to have you know, 268 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: you have more skin in the game and you are, 269 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: you know, a key player in the business's success, that 270 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: you would want to bring that up, probably before you know, 271 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: if you were getting closer to your due date. I 272 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: remember when I was at Yahoo and Marissa Meyer, who 273 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: came from Google, she took the Yahoo CEO job in 274 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, fourteen or twelve, I don't forget, and she 275 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: was like nine months pregnant with twins. So, and that 276 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: was back when you had to interview in person. So 277 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: it's a lot. It's harder to hide that, and I 278 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: think in that case you have to be upfront. But 279 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: in your case, I mean, I'm not sure what position 280 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: you are, what position you're in, but I would say 281 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: I would keep that close to your chest, especially if you, 282 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: like you're in your second trimester, so am I going 283 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: to be doing around the same time. You're probably not 284 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: showing terribly or not showing that much right now. I 285 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: would keep it to yourself. And I would say, if 286 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: you get a job, which you likely are hopefully you do, 287 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: you know, get a job and you still have a 288 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: few weeks left before your due date, I would take it. 289 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: I would tell them. I would tell HR you know 290 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: when you join, like I. And also this is another thing, 291 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: find a way to strategically ask about parental leave benefits 292 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: before you join, because you're going to want to know 293 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: will you need to be here a certain number of 294 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: weeks or months. Sometimes I'll want you to be there 295 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: for a year before you qualify for additional paid leave, 296 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: and based on that you may decide, Okay, I feel 297 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: confident in taking this job, you know, because I will 298 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: be accepting some leave with that. I know that there 299 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: are companies who if they do find out that you're expecting, 300 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: they have no problem holding your spot for you. And 301 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: I'll mention Google my friends and it was not even 302 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: my friend who was pregnant, it was her husband. Got 303 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: a brand new job at Google and he interviewed in 304 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: August the baby was dueing Wait no, he interviewed in August. 305 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: Baby was due in August, and they were like, you 306 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: got the job, we'll see you in January. And they 307 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: gave him his parental leave upfront. So the benefit of 308 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: maybe telling them is that maybe there's a something that 309 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: can be worked out where they can maybe give you 310 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: your leave upfront and then hold that spot for you 311 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: to join down the line. It's dicey because, like you, 312 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: you really have to feel it out and feel if 313 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: you feel safe. Because I'm not gonna lie. Some jobs 314 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: may just need someone you know in the seat right away, 315 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: and they may come up with another reason for turning 316 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: you down, but really it could be that, oh, you know, 317 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: we want someone who can really hit the ground running, 318 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: and that's discriminatory and illegal for them to deny you 319 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: a job based on, you know, your pregnancy. But I 320 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: live in the real world and that shit still happens. 321 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: So this is probably like a real unsatisfactory answer, But 322 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: I at least want to make you feel like take 323 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: the pressure off yourself, because you actually do not have 324 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: a legal right, legal obligation to tell them unless you're 325 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: probably like in the C suite executive level and they 326 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: make you sign something in advance, being like, if you 327 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: have anything you need to tell us, you know who's 328 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna potentially interfere with your work. You know 329 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: you have to tell us, But that's very like rare 330 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: and unlikely to be happening in this case. Then I 331 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: get both sides, but we wish you a very healthy 332 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: and easy birth, happy, delightful baby. 333 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: They have breathe like a dope job sis. 334 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, well I hope you got some good, good severance. 335 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: At least you could have been off at that time 336 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: the first trimester, Yo, it can really kill. I don't 337 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: know what I would be doing if I had to 338 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: work nine to five right now? How did I do this? 339 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: Girl without my two to four naps? 340 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: You was like, no, I'm not sure about this, shifting 341 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: change and now look shifting and changing livid. 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: Where would I be without my two thirty four to 343 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: three thirty PM naps every day. I don't I can't 344 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: go back. I can't go back. But and thank you 345 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: for your question. 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