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Speaker 1: Fishing Podcast from Iowa. It still believes if it can

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Speaker 1: on and not where Crocs I did. I'm sure we

426
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: could do a book or an entire series based around

427
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: peer stories. Uh, but it's kind of something I wish

428
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: I had experienced, but I did also get a kick

429
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: out of how you guys used to beg for I

430
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: used to beg for Benita at the Charter Docks because

431
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: we talked on the show recently about how Bonita or

432
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: what I call false Albacore are viewed differently by region,

433
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: like they're revered here, you know this, but not there.

434
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: In fact, you were one of the most Albie Hayitan

435
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: sons of bitches. I know. Okay, listen, I mean, let's

436
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: put it into context here. Do I hate Albi's guilty?

437
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: Do I like them when they are called Bonita here

438
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: in Florida? Yes? I do. They are a ton of fun.

439
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 1: I love catching them when you know they're man sized,

440
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: like fifteen two pounds, not when you're trying to risk

441
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: life and limb in a McKey craft and eight swells

442
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: trying to catch two pound fish. Like, let's let's let's

443
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: just doing that. Let's keep it. I know you are

444
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: and with our with our mutual buddy, Captain Eric Kerber

445
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: here in Jersey, beating up on false Avocre with my

446
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: arsenal of thirteen sticks, thirteen fishing rods, and I even

447
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: had to play around with a spinning reel in the

448
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: testing phase. How about that? And I gotta say they

449
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: performed beautifully and a hard tale even you can't deny.

450
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: We'll test the ship out of your drag. Like if

451
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: you want to punish a reel and a rod Alb's

452
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: that's a good way to do it. And my trusty

453
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: Ooman green rod did great. Oh yeah, absolutely, those things

454
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: will tear any tackle up. That's why I love them.

455
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: They're great. I just don't know, you know, the appeal

456
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: of the whole Northeast culture about the whole thing. I'll

457
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: go out there and literally try to die to catch

458
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: some some mouths. Like I was there. I was there.

459
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: We're going al fish and it's blowing twenty five out

460
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: of the Northeast and I'm like, we're going out that

461
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: inlet right now to do what? Like that's I'm like,

462
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't even halfway through my Wawa pretzel and I'm like,

463
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like yeah, yeah, now that's fair,

464
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: that's fair. We'll go crazy for him. So anyway, so

465
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: we we call him out because you call him Benita.

466
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: There's a common name in the South and throughout the

467
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: Gulf Um, but it kind of brings up like, I'm

468
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: always sort of intrigued by Arian nicknames for fish, and

469
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: Floridians I think have a fair amount. Like I've heard

470
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: you call sea trout paper mouths and mustard mouths. Is

471
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: that accurate? Oh? Absolutely? The little speckled devils of the flats.

472
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Those are one of my favorites. Yeah, So I thought

473
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: what we do? Um, Since I assumed that all of

474
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: you listening to the Midwest and the North are just

475
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna flock to Florida over the winter, I asked Zach

476
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: to tackle a weekly word segment by himself. But this

477
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: one has a little twist and is guaranteed to help

478
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: all you snowbirds fit right in. When you're milling around

479
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: the dock at Worldwide Sportsman this February, everyone will just

480
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: assume you're a local, except make Webster's Dictionary defines fish

481
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: as this week's word isn't a word, it's actually a

482
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: series of words that you should memorize, so the next

483
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: time you're in Florida for an overpriced charter set up

484
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: by the folks at Disney, you'll know what the hell

485
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: the local anglers are talking about, which will make you

486
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: feel like a local. Even though we could smell the

487
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: New Jersey in Ohio or the pork roll and grits

488
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: on you from a mile away down here in Florida.

489
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: Since our state is full of largely transients running away

490
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: from things across the country, our fish species have taken

491
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: on a wide array of unique names that most anglers

492
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't recognize, and we want you to fit in

493
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: with all the googins and cooks infesting our docks and piers.

494
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: For instance, you might hear somebody bring up yellow bellied

495
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: spider eaters. This is what rich kids wearing bone fish

496
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: scale buffs on the Hell's based skiffs their dad's bought

497
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: them referred to as permit. Poor kids fishing the piers

498
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: like myself used to call them yellow bellied spider eaters

499
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: because all they pretty much eat his crabs. And let

500
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: me tell you no better way to kill the same

501
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: amount of time needed to get your bachelor's degree from

502
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: the community college than sitting on crabs on bottom rigs

503
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: and fighting off fifteen pounds spiny pufferfish praying that one

504
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: day an actual yellow belly will swim by and eat

505
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: your crap. In the end, we had a lot in

506
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: common as far as wasting our time goes just my

507
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: crew is wearing Walmart clothes and doesn't celebrate our failures

508
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: by clinking I p A s and posting about it

509
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Let's talk mercury missiles. In some circles, large

510
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: publishers clearing house sized novelty paychecks are handed out for

511
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: catching these during tournaments in the summertime. And if you

512
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: flip through any saltwater fishing shows on your Saturday morning

513
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: TV lineup, you were bound to see at least one

514
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: guy and a half million dollar center console cranking one

515
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: in with the drags set to zero and the clicker

516
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: on to what. All the other guys dressed identically on

517
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: the boat know that at some point in time that

518
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: kingfish might be boat side at some point before the

519
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: final bell rings. But for us heathens who are less

520
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: romantic about the kingfish, we call the mercury missiles. Not

521
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: only are they slimy and bloody, but if you happen

522
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: to throw a big one on the grill and attempt

523
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 1: to choke the oily meat down with your family and

524
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: friends who thought you cared for them, you will likely

525
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: be radiating like a glowstick from the Dollar store. On

526
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: the account of how much of a lethal dose of

527
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: mercury you just consumed? Convicts, doesn't that sound fun? During

528
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: the wintertime, one of our favorite pastimes is fishing for convicts.

529
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: I will say that this doesn't sound glorious at a

530
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: first glance, because it normally isn't. But if you watch

531
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: any old time movie featuring some less than favorable characters

532
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: that have ended up in jail, the black and white

533
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: stripes on their forever clothes are normally a good sign

534
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: that you know that generally they are less than favorable.

535
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: Convict isn't the name for one species of fish, but

536
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: multiple prison clad s suited fish that prowled the river waters,

537
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: including but not limited to, sheep, said black drum, and

538
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: black margate. If you catch all three, you got a

539
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: jail break. Is it glorious? No? But will they bend

540
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: your rod? It beat you up in bridge pilings and

541
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: shallow reefs all day while giving you and your probably

542
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: felonious friends a nice commissary fish fry. Absolutely, and last

543
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: and probably least, don't forget gummies. More than likely, if

544
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: you come to Florida and do an offshore trip with

545
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: any sort of bait on bottom, there is a high

546
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: probability you would encounter this lazy, death rolling brown turd

547
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: sorry excuse of a shark. Yeah, it's a shark, if

548
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: you even want to call it that a nurse shark.

549
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: More specifically, these fish have the attitude and appetite of

550
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: a catfish, but with nowhere near the clouder personality. If

551
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: you catch one on a guided trip or a charter,

552
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: the captain will most likely pretend to make a big

553
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: deal about it and tell you how awesome it is

554
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: you caught a three pound, largely toothless slug shark. Especially

555
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: at the captain has a twenty two ft bay boat,

556
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: a pro line bay boat, my bay boat. So riddle

557
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: me this, Why are more people in talking about the jailbreak.

558
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: That's the first time I've ever heard of that slam

559
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: like dude. That should be our b side fishing episode

560
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: down the road. Forget all like the massive tarpin and

561
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: ship you're catching in the surf and the fame Florida

562
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: mullet run. Dude, Let's do a February jailbreak. I will

563
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: tell you this, the older and more pathetic that I get,

564
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: and more house broken by my weener dog, the more.

565
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: I enjoy fishing for convicts and such like that. Like

566
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: when I know I could take my boat out in

567
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: forty degrees and not see anybody at the ramp, and

568
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: I could just go and spend three dollars in fuel

569
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: and mow those things down all day. It is a blast.

570
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: It's mindless, it's fun. But I will tell you that

571
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: black market, Oh that's a kicker, boy. I mean to

572
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: get that black market hard hard one. Oh yeah, yeah,

573
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: good luck on that, damn man. See, like I thought

574
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: for sure you would crap all over that idea of

575
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: getting together for a jail break. I'm kind of shocked.

576
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I thought that would be an instant uh, an instant

577
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: note from you. But you actually you seem as excited

578
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: as I am to square off with and destroy my

579
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: new News co anchor Hayden samic in Fish News. Fish New.

580
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: That escalated quickly, So, Hayden, we talked a few shows

581
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: ago about the false Albacore and the Benita. You asked

582
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: about their edibility and did you see my video documentation

583
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: on the instagrams I ate it. I was. I am

584
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: a man of my word and I ate the false Albacore.

585
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: I tagged you. I did see your post on the

586
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: instagram's Joe, the instagrams, that's what we call it around here.

587
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, but we you know what, we just

588
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: did some sashimi, both plain and with a splash of

589
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: soy sauce. Um. We had a four person panel of testers,

590
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: including myself, and it was it was shockingly good. It

591
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: was shockingly good. Like what I call it outstanding? No,

592
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know it does. It doesn't quite stack

593
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: up to your your yellow fins and your blue fins,

594
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: but it was good. Um, much closer to skip jack

595
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: tuna and black fin tuna. And it was fascinating because

596
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: the idea of them being inedible, as we discussed, right,

597
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: it runs deep for the most part in most parts

598
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: of this country. Like that's like you just don't eat that. Um.

599
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know a single person, um firsthand at least

600
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: who eats them. But I think the real lesson was

601
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: simply how much fish care matters, you know what I mean?

602
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: Like we we treated this one like a yellow fin,

603
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: bled it, immediately, iced it proper and ate it within

604
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: two hours of the suckers swimming around. UM. And that

605
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: made all the difference. You know, if you just hack

606
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: it up, you know, like a fresh one straight out

607
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: of the water. It's an oily, bloody mess. If you

608
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: toss it in the old bait cooler with no ice,

609
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: the shelf life for it not tasting like total ass

610
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: is very very short. Um, and it was interesting to

611
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: a handful of people, wrote in Singing the Praises of

612
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Albus on the Table though. If you did mention that

613
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: the trick is indeed eating it raw or rare as

614
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: soon as you cook it through, then several people were like,

615
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: then it gets really tough to eat. I don't know

616
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: if that that really like drawls concentrates whatever oil is left.

617
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it was it was it's so

618
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: good that I'm gonna kill everyone. No, you know, if

619
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm craving sushimi and the elephant bite is super slow, yeah,

620
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: I'd eat that again. So I I kind of like

621
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: you sort of pushed me towards that inadvertently, and I

622
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it, like I learned something new. Well, I'm happy

623
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I had a small part in expanding your palate, spanning

624
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: my my horizons. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Man. On the

625
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: subject of of questionable tunas, uh, did you hear about

626
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the your subway lawsuit again thrown out? Oh I sure,

627
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: did you bet? I did this? Yeah? Man, yeah, this

628
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: suit claiming subways tuna isn't real tuna. It's pretty much

629
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: been dropped or at least stalled or something like that. Um,

630
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: because I know, I know, like me, most of you

631
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: have been following the case with the same figure as

632
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: you did the O. J. Simpson trial. So congrats, congrats

633
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: to all the Subway fans out there. Everyone was who

634
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: was rooting for Subway. I could like hear the sigh

635
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: of relief breathe across the country. Um, are you I

636
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: don't think I've asked yet. This has been four shows

637
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: and I haven't asked. Are you a Subway tuna fan?

638
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Like when you get the muncheese? Is that stop? I'll

639
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: stop last time I promised, promise it's for the fans. Man,

640
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Come on, Um no, man, absolutely absolutely not. Uh. I'm

641
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a very adventurous eater. There are very few things I

642
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: won't at least like you know dabbling. That said, there

643
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: are three foods that I flat out refused to eat,

644
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: and one of those happens to be canned tuna. Really, yeah,

645
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I can't stand it, and I haven't eaten for as

646
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: long as I can remember. So no, not a fan.

647
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I mean respect for that dude, And like

648
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm not like a huge canned

649
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: tuna fan either, but I I sort of liking it

650
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: to like the McDonald's burger debate, Like, if you want

651
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: to really a good burger, you don't go to McDonald's,

652
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just want McDonald's, Like it's a different

653
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So like, yeah, man, sometimes I'm just

654
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: craving a tunamount and I'll grab a can of Charlie

655
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: out of the pantry. God, it's not that it's not

656
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: that big a deal. Um. Anyway, I'm glad I know that,

657
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and say I learned something about you. You don't do

658
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: can tuna, So that's good. If you ever here, I'll

659
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: know not to feed that to you, Like, don't pack

660
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: hayde a tuna sandwich. Um. But you know, I was thinking,

661
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: they haven't ever really said what kind of tuna is

662
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: in Subway tuna. They've they've said all along, they've maintained

663
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: that it is in fact real tuna, but nobody ever

664
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: noted a species, at least not that I recall. So

665
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, there's a strong chance that that's false, Abbey, right,

666
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: they are highly sustainable, you know, and and if if

667
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: that's what it proved it to be, I'm good with that.

668
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: It is what it is. I will continue to eat it.

669
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: You will not. We'll both go our separate ways, you know.

670
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, you know, as as long as sustainable,

671
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really care what you all eat.

672
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm not about to break my no canned tuna streak

673
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: with ub boy. And uh, speaking of streaks, I am

674
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: looking to break my losing streak in this week's edition

675
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: of Fish News Films. And I've been treating you well,

676
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: so I'm rooting for you myself. Well. Thanks as always, folks,

677
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Joe and I have each selected a story. Phil's gonna

678
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: pick the one that he likes the best, i e.

679
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: The one that sets him up for the best joke

680
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: after the segments over, and the loser will get squid gamed.

681
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: Joe Europe first best of luck. But yeah, dude, I

682
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna need luck today because I'm gonna

683
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: tell you what, brother, I got a live one. I

684
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: actually haven't been this pumped on a news story in

685
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: a while, because this one has twists and turns that

686
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: will lead to some some really good debate. UM. And

687
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I'll preface this by saying, I'm curious to hear the

688
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: opinions of you listeners. When this is all said and done,

689
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: please reach out. I'm very curious. Shout out to Bent

690
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: fan Anthony Shelton for sending this one my way. And

691
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: it comes from w j h L dot com, which

692
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: is out of Tennessee. And I'm probably gonna run a

693
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: hair long on this one just one year, but I

694
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: think it's worth it because this is this is pretty interesting.

695
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: So way back on the Memorial Day weekend, A J.

696
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Silver's and some friends set a trot line in the

697
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Nola Chucky River with the intention of catching a whole

698
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: bunch of cat fish for a fish fry, which is

699
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: a family tradition he has every Memorial Day weekend. UM.

700
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: On the off chance you're not familiar with the trot line,

701
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a long line with a whole bunch

702
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: of baited hooks that you string across the river. You

703
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: tie it off to a tree at one end and

704
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: wait down the other. UM. And really it's a form

705
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: of commercial fishing, but very legal in many many states,

706
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: provided you follow all the rules and a very old

707
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: school form of getting fish for the table. So when

708
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Silver's showed up to check his trot line, what he

709
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: found was a group of kayakers with his trot line

710
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: in their hands. Now, this group consisted of a few

711
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: kayak trainers from the Nola Chucky Outdoor Learning Institute and

712
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: their students. The leader of this group was season kayak

713
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: trainer Scott Fisher. It was Fisher who cut the trot

714
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: line in three places, because he says one of the

715
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: kayaks had gotten tangled in the line and a hook

716
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: ended up stuck in one of the paddler's life jackets.

717
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: All right, so, according to Fisher, he claims the trot

718
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: line was not marked properly, which they must be by law,

719
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: and he says because it wasn't marked, he assumed it

720
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: was abandoned. Silver says it was absolutely marked correctly, and

721
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: this entire exchange was captured by Silver's on his cell phone.

722
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: He of course posted that video to Facebook, and I

723
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: of course watched it. Um, did you see the video?

724
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Did you watch the video with this? Um? I did

725
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: not watch the video. I have heard about this story

726
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: and I read the article. Although the article was kind

727
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: of hard to follow because you'd expect the dude name

728
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: Fisher being the trot liner and like, so my brain, yeah,

729
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you're probably not even on face. You're

730
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: like way past the Facebook generation. But that's okay, because

731
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break down the video now. So um. Not

732
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: only do Fisher and his fellow yakkers claim the line

733
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: wasn't marked, they say it also wasn't properly weighted. Had

734
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: it been, their kayaks would have glided right over it,

735
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: but instead the nose of one of the yaks got

736
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: pulled under it, pulled it up and exposed it, and

737
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the other yakkers following it hit it. Now. Silver's argues

738
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: it was weighted with four bricks, so that's impossible. That

739
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: couldn't have happened um, And he believes these guys were

740
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: simply keeping an eye out for trot lines to cut

741
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: them because they just hate trot lining. And he says

742
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: this certainly isn't the first time this has happened, but

743
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: if you watch the video, Silver's is far more aggressive.

744
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Fisher and crew are cool, calm, and collected to make

745
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: it pretty clear, at least to me, that they actually

746
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: have no issue with trot lines. They know it's something

747
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: people deployed on the river and they're very aware of them.

748
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: In fact, Fisher points out that while he cut the

749
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: trot line, it's totally salvageable. He returned it to Silver's

750
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: and insisted this happened not out of any sort of malice,

751
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: but simply for safety reasons. And Fisher told w j

752
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: h L quote, we're all out here enjoying the outdoors.

753
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: It's all good. The issue is with a line stretched

754
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: across the navigable waterway with exposed fish hooks that can

755
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: hook a kid an adult, it doesn't matter. There's no

756
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: place for it. And in the video you hear Fisher

757
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: telling Silver's to just do the right thing and maybe

758
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: set up in areas where there's less traffic, because I

759
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: gather that the Nola Chucky is pretty popular with kayakers

760
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: and rafters. And he says, hey, if you're if you're

761
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: properly licensed to use a trot line and someone gets hurt,

762
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: you're liable for that. And Silver says, yeah, I know that.

763
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: He says he does do this responsibly and tells them

764
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: he isn't changing a thing about his program. Um Now,

765
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: according to the story, the relationship between paddlers and trot

766
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: line Fisherman's is like the hat Fields and the McCoys,

767
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: and Silver's has had his lines cut a dozen times,

768
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: and he notes, which is a perfectly fair point, that

769
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time and a fair amount of money

770
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: go into building and setting up a proper trot line,

771
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: right like this. This isn't like it's takes some effort. Yeah,

772
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: it's not like you're just going down to the bank

773
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: and like chucking bait like a try line is like

774
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: a It's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah, it's it's and

775
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: it's a very big deal. It's a very cultural thing

776
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of a lot of this country right now.

777
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: Apparently fisher and crew and Silvers and crew ended up

778
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: at the kayak takeout together, where the arguing continued until

779
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: the cops had to be called and statements needed to

780
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: be taken. My guests would be just just guessing here

781
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: that Silver's went out of his way to find them

782
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: because he knew where they'd be taken out, right, So

783
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: I kind of read that as like he's the one

784
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: that kept the fire stoked here you know what I mean. Um,

785
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: so you know statements are taken, both parties leave, end

786
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: of story, right. No, Fisher had kind of forgotten about

787
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing until just a couple of weeks ago

788
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: when he received word that a grand jury would be

789
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: prosecuting the case. According to fisher assistant D. A. Todd

790
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Hole originally said there wasn't even enough evidence to make

791
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: a case, but then mysteriously flipped. So the same day

792
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: that Fisher got this call, he went and turned himself

793
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: into the law, got fingerprinted, mug shot taken, arrested, the works. Wow. Right,

794
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: So here's a quote from the piece. At the time

795
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: of the arrest, Fisher said they didn't even know what

796
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to charge him. According to Unicoi County A. D. A.

797
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: Todd Hall, Fisher was charged with violation of the Hunter

798
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Protection Act and taking a fish caught by another. Both

799
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: are classified as Class C misdemeanors. So now Fisher is

800
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: due back in court on novem. Silver's faces no charges.

801
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: And now there are a bunch of water safety experts

802
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: from all over the place writing in and coming to

803
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: Fisher's defense saying he did the right thing, like this

804
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: was a safety issue. And furthermore, a trot line in

805
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: this particular spot poses much worse safety hazards than a

806
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: hook in a life jacket. Basically, they're saying Silver should

807
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 1: be happy there wasn't worse injury or damage. Right. So

808
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot going on here, but let's start

809
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: with the act. Okay, trot lining is not legal where

810
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: I lived, but let's just pretend that it was. Right.

811
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: If I saw a properly tag trot line, I'd say cool.

812
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Someone said a trot line fish fry right on, man, like,

813
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand what that is. I understand

814
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: the culture behind it. Um. If I'm floating down that

815
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: river and my kid, myself or whoever I was with

816
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: ended up wrapping that trot line or injured with a

817
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: hooking them, I'm cutting the trot line, right, I'm just

818
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: doing what I gotta do. Right, If I floated over

819
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: it without incident and thought, oh man, that could hurt

820
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: the next guy that floats down, I'm not cutting the

821
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: trot line, which some people will say that's not nice.

822
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: But much like fisher like, I respect the practice where

823
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: legal and when done properly, But um, if it directly

824
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: brought harm, or misery to me and mine, I'd cut

825
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: it and do what I had to do. And I

826
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: really don't think Fisher and Company would have touched that

827
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: line had it not legitimately caused an issue for their crew.

828
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Like I believe that, yeah, I mean, you know, I mean,

829
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm inclined to think that it's like hikers finding tree

830
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: stands or something. You know, A mo of folks, regardless

831
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: of you know, their own beliefs, as far as the

832
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: activity goes, won't mess with you, right unless it's like, oh,

833
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: this is a direct threat, like you said to be

834
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: in mine right, right, right right, So now onto Silver's um.

835
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Even though I think he's being like kind of an

836
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: asshole about this, I certainly understand his frustration too, And

837
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: more than anything, I think the deeper issue he's having

838
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: it isn't the cutting of this line, right, but it's

839
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: it's it's probably a deep sort of sadness over a

840
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: loss of tradition due to just the overwhelming amount of

841
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: people that utilize resources now right, Like I bet that

842
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: his daddy and grandpa and grandpa ran trot lines, you know,

843
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: perhaps on this same river, and now what like you

844
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: have to bow down to all these folks that want

845
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: to raft and kayak and so on and so forth. Um,

846
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's super relatable to me. I have

847
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: small mouth streams here that I loved growing up, and

848
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: I won't touch them now during the summer because there

849
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: are four hundred thousand tubers floating down them, kayakers running

850
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: them right. Oh dude, I live right next to the

851
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Madison Man the bikini You know this pain exactly right?

852
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: So would you say the bikini hatch? Yeah, that's what

853
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: we call it when all the tubers come down and

854
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: bikinis as soon as the weather warms up a little

855
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: like it? I like it. I like it. But and

856
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: and I think you could say the same with the Madison.

857
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not, maybe I'm talking out of school. But around here,

858
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: ten years ago, if I went fishing in the summer,

859
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: maybe twelve tubers would come down in a day, you know,

860
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: fifteen people, No big deal. Didn't really hurt my fishing,

861
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: didn't really spook anything. But not anymore, right, And it's

862
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: so bad that it makes it unfish herble in the summer,

863
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: even on a weekday. But unfortunately, as painful as that is,

864
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: there is nothing that can be done about that. There's

865
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: nothing that I can do about that. Those tubers and

866
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Fisher and all the other kayakers on the Nola Chucky

867
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: have just as much right to use that water as

868
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: I do, and and Silver's does. And that can be

869
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: a really hard pill to swallow, you know, like you

870
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: can lose sleep lamenting how good something used to be

871
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: or the way it used to be and how you

872
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: know it's it's screwed up, you know, as far as

873
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you're concerned now. Um So it's kind of like I

874
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: always try to say, you know, you either piss away

875
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: time crying about it and pound and sand, or you adapt.

876
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: I still fish those same rivers. I do it in

877
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: the early spring, in the fall, right, I find new

878
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: places to fish. Maybe I fish at night. And to me,

879
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: as painful as it may be, it can feel like you're,

880
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, losing a fight or bowing down. That's the

881
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: road I feel like Silver should take, especially if his

882
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: trot lines have been cut in this location twelve times,

883
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: because I think this will just keep on happening, and

884
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Keep taking people to court?

885
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: So you know, if he wins this one and Fisher

886
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: pays a fine or whatever, it's it's probably not going

887
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: to send the message that he's hoping it will. The

888
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: next guy who knows nothing about this will come down

889
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: the river, and if he's gonna cut your trot line's

890
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: gonna cut your trot line, you know what I mean.

891
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: So I think getting Fisher in big trouble will not

892
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: save your future trot line sets Um And ultimately it's

893
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of a lose lose. But I must say, I

894
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: think taking this all the way to grand jury, I

895
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'm curious to hear what you have

896
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: to say. I think it's kind of stupid. I wouldn't

897
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: be shocked if it got thrown out um, because Fisher

898
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: has a mountain of people on his side saying this

899
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: was a safety issue. He didn't actually take any of

900
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: Silver's fish that I'm aware of. And I actually feel

901
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: a little bad for the dude because this is just

902
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: like eating up a lot of his time, Like this

903
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: is like a big thing now he has to deal

904
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: with um. And I feel like it's slightly vindictive, and

905
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: Silver strikes me as the kind of guy that, out

906
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: of spite, will just keep running a line in the

907
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: same spot, almost looking for a fight instead of the catfish,

908
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, man, I gosh,

909
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I got like a lot of thoughts about this, but

910
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and like make them succinct here. I

911
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: feel for Silvers too in a lot of ways. Yeah,

912
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that a lot of hunters

913
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: and fishermen can relate to exactly how Silvers is feeling

914
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: in that when you are a hunter or a fisherman,

915
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: to be one of any merrit really, right, you've got

916
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: to take the time to understand the resource that you're

917
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: kind of playing, right, Yeah. And and because of that,

918
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: I think there's this perception that we are more dedicated

919
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: to the environment that we're experiencing than somebody doing something

920
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: like kayaking or hiking or are spot on your spot

921
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: on that's we we feel like we have more right

922
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: to it, or we deserve to be here more than

923
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: a weekender, you know. Yeah. And it's it's a tricky

924
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: thing because like there is part of me that genuinely

925
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: believes that that is the case. So like the better

926
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: known I feel that way too, But you have to

927
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: be practical about it too, you know. Well, then the

928
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: better part of me is like, Okay, well if I

929
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: love these spots and these environments. I want everyone to

930
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: experience them so that they care about them as much

931
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: as I do, and thus sustain this environment that I'm

932
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: so passionate. Hey, dude, you just brought up one of

933
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: the biggest what I would call modern attitudes. You know,

934
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: like we hear so much about spot burn and not

935
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: talking about where you are. That's a very modern way

936
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: of looking at things right now. I think it's debatable

937
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: whether or not it works. I think it's been proven

938
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: to work in some instances, not in others. But the

939
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: whole idea of if more people know, they will care.

940
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: The question is the guy who's got you know, family

941
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: has been generations trot lining on a river. He's probably

942
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna care more than the dude that that rolls out

943
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: of Nashville, you know once a season or twice a season,

944
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: hooks up with the raft company, gets sprayed with white water,

945
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and goes home. That's just the reality of it. But

946
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. I don't think there's a there's it's

947
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: been proven wrong or right yet, but what you're absolutely right? Yeah,

948
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: Well sure, I mean, and that's just like kind of

949
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: like one thought about it. You know, although as soon

950
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: as I said it, I couldn't help but think about

951
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: the Salmon River and think about all the good that

952
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: everybody you know, getting turned onto that has done for

953
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 1: the fishery. But I'm saying yes. But but on the counterpoint, though,

954
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I think that Silver's is totally messing up the long

955
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: game here. Yeah, you know, I don't think that this

956
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of attention is going to do any good for

957
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: him in in in his fishery, and I would pose

958
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: it that I don't think it's gonna do good for

959
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: like traditional forms of fishing like this in the future.

960
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: Maybe not like this specific instance, but if you know,

961
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: if ten dudes did the same thing that Silver's was doing,

962
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that whatever commission is overseeing that they

963
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: might be revisiting the rules and regulations regarding trot lines

964
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: in the future and in such a way that Silver's

965
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: might not like the outcome. What dude, you dude, you

966
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: are just like solid on point today because that's you're

967
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: absolutely right too. You're you're gonna blow up this case right,

968
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: it's in the news, we're talking about it here on Ben.

969
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, you have to assume that every year there's

970
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: probably a lot more guys recreating with with rafts and

971
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: kayaks for fun on these rivers and other rivers, and

972
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: and the sort of old school trot lining tradition is

973
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: going away. Man, you create too many issues here. There's

974
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: a strong chance that the kayak crowd is gonna win

975
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: if it gets to that, you know what I mean,

976
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: and and you are absolutely right. I mean, I'll tell

977
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: you what, man. You know you see a thousand float

978
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: to for every drift boat that you see on the Madison.

979
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, I used to live on the East Codes. Man,

980
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I've seen the you know, the Delaware River tubing tours.

981
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: Many we're out number, dude. And ultimately, if it comes

982
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: down to signatures on a petition, I'm gonna tell you

983
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: how those numbers stack up. Yeah, yeah, so dude, I

984
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: mean again, it's it's kind of a lose lose. I

985
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: see both sides of this, um. But but let us

986
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: know right in I'm very curious to hear um your

987
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: thoughts out there, meaning you listeners, speaking of our listeners. Uh, Joe,

988
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: I think this next story or how I'm gonna lead

989
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: into it is gonna hit home for a lot of

990
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: them if they grew up anything like me. So to

991
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: kick this off, I got a question for you. Okay,

992
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: that was a week transition, but go ahead and ask

993
00:50:52,600 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: your question, you, Joe. That's fair. That's fair, asked the question.

994
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Come on, so what do you think the reason is

995
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: that every old man tackle box is full of just

996
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: the same ship. It's like it's like everybody's grandfather like

997
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: went surf fishing twice, hit a couple of trout openers,

998
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: did some bass fishing, bought one of those old blue stringers,

999
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: some snelled hooks, and then just took that weird malcolm

1000
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: of gear and left it in one of just one

1001
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: of those old school blue and tan tackle boxes to

1002
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: like rust into oblivion. It's never logical. It's always like

1003
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: power bait, pyramid sinkers and the guts of some old

1004
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: spin reel, you know what I mean. I dude, Like,

1005
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: as you're saying this, the stal I'm flooded with nostalgia

1006
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: because this was every tackle box my grandfather ever had,

1007
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: and my dad it's like they know with like the

1008
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: compartmental shelf, you know, the plan. Oh, and they'd be

1009
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: like two s I'm in controlling plugs. Then I'm like,

1010
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: why why did you ever need those, and then the

1011
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: snelled hooks, and then like a rubber frog that was

1012
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: mostly rotted out. I know exactly what you're saying, and

1013
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: that is incredibly accurate. I don't know now why it

1014
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: was like that. I don't know, because they just fished

1015
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: occasionally maybe and like didn't feel they needed four billion

1016
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: things like I do. They were probably smarter for it. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Well.

1017
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: I feel like every time I came across one of

1018
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: those as a kid, I thought the same thing, which

1019
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: is how old is this gear? Because it feels ancient? Yeah,

1020
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, and and it does. Although there's a lot

1021
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: of things in those boxes we've covered here, like the

1022
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: jitterbug as an example. That's a staple of the Grandpa box,

1023
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: still a great lure. We also a long time ago

1024
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: talked about the the smell, the pungent aroma that would

1025
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: come out of a tackle box if it's sad, too

1026
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: long in the sun and had wet stuff in it.

1027
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I know what you're saying. And it's

1028
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: funny because you still see those old plane o tackle

1029
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: boxes for sale at garage sales and check on Facebook.

1030
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who uses one anymore. I don't

1031
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: know a single person that uses a hard tackle box anymore.

1032
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: It's still functional, you know all that the gear lubin

1033
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: power bait. Anyhow, no matter how old your granddaddy's tackle

1034
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: collection is, it pales in comparison to what may well

1035
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: be the most ancient modern fishing tackle to ever have

1036
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: been discovered. M I'm sure you've seen my story, right

1037
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: I I yep, I know, I know where you're going.

1038
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I dig it. So recently a group of researchers working

1039
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: at a site called and I'm sure I'm going to

1040
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: mess this up the Jordan River dirsya der jersh slippy

1041
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: slappy Sampson nite, let's just go with the j r D.

1042
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: H j r D man, that's jr D. Heard it here? First,

1043
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: a group of researchers, you know me, A group of

1044
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: researchers excavating the j r D, which is essentially a

1045
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: well preserved EPI Paleolithic version of Steve's fish shack. Uh.

1046
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: They found fishing tackle that, after carbon dating, proved to

1047
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: be of the New Tuffian era, or about thirteen thousand

1048
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: years old. UM. This is super interesting for a bunch

1049
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: of reasons. The first of which is how well preserved

1050
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: it was, Like, we know that folks have been catching

1051
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: fish and fishing for much longer than thirteen thousand years,

1052
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: basically forever, right, um, But beyond uh speculation, it's tough

1053
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: to know exactly how these ancient fishermen were going about

1054
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: their craft, right, Uh. Because we know weaving has been

1055
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: prevalent in ancient cultures forever, it's assumed that they use

1056
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: nets and some version of hook and line. But being

1057
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: all of it was made of things like would and

1058
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: plant fiber, you know that stuff doesn't last ten years. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1059
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: It disintegrates for sure. Right. But because of some conditions

1060
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: unique to this j r D site, uh, specifically it

1061
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: being water logged all the time, some of these early

1062
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: fishing implements were really well preserved, offering us to look

1063
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: into ancient world of fishing that we don't often get.

1064
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: The other interesting facet of this story is how sophisticated.

1065
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: A lot of this gear is, uh, specifically of note.

1066
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Archaeologists found fish hooks with points and barbs. This was

1067
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: before like you know, the barblous movement, you know, tactical

1068
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: nympson as well as groove cables, which researchers believe we're

1069
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: used as an ancient form of split shot. I'll bet

1070
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: they broke a lot more teeth, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1071
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I bet because you know dental hygiene. Anyway, I'm sorry,

1072
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: I am genuinely worried about potential lead poisoning from the

1073
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: amount of split shot of crimped with my teeth. Yeah,

1074
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: I chew on it sometimes, just like you know, for fun,

1075
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: just out of habit stick stick a little bb in

1076
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: there and it's like dipping. You ought not to do that.

1077
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: So even more interesting, Uh, the hooks were of various sizes,

1078
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: and some of them had grooves, animal fur and plant fibers.

1079
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's still kind of attached or just in

1080
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: there um, suggesting that these ancient folks were making lures.

1081
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: They even found evidence of mother of pearl flashers. Were

1082
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: so stuck in like this modern era of what we

1083
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: have now, and I know this this article sort of

1084
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: it teas it up like that this was like the

1085
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: first evidence of of fly fishing. And I think you're

1086
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna get into that a little bit here,

1087
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's still pretty fascinating to me because it's

1088
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: so easy to lean on cut bait and live bait.

1089
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: They probably had a lot more of that, So it

1090
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: almost makes you wonder like, did they figure out in

1091
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: certain instances that these these lures we're actually more efficient, right,

1092
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: because they weren't recreationally fishing. These people all fish for food,

1093
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, man, was that a better

1094
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: option for some reason? You know, the people back then

1095
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: they did things because they benefited them, you know, so

1096
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: I I found that part very fascinating. Well yeah, I

1097
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: mean when you can't go down to you know, Sports

1098
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: and his warehouse and buy a bunch of shiners, uh,

1099
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: I think that like having reusable lures, uh, probably cuts

1100
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: down on a lot of time. Uh. Maybe they were

1101
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Epipaleolithic dry fly purs. I mean, granted, it's only nineteen

1102
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: hooks and six pebbles, so it's not like they stumbled

1103
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: on like an ancient pass pro But but looking through

1104
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: the pictures, a lot of this stuff they were doing

1105
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: really is super remarkable. For since a lot of these

1106
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: hooks were what I guess you would consider at the

1107
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: time being of a light gauge. Right, It's not like

1108
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: they were like sixteen dry fly hooks, but you get

1109
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, carving eyes in hooks of this

1110
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: size would have made for like a weak point. So

1111
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: the researchers speculated that in order to get around that,

1112
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: they instead carved like grooves and and and and knobs

1113
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: at the end of these hook shanks and basically schnelled

1114
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: their hooks. Which schnell did you just pronounced that schnelled? Was?

1115
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: It's just snelled. I like schnelled though it's kind of

1116
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: like Ramstein or Ramstein. Yeah whatever, that's how I say schnell.

1117
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: They sell the hooks and archaeologists also noted that there

1118
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: was evidence of braided fishing line cured with adhesive, which

1119
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: is yeah, just kind of cool. Yeah. An interesting point

1120
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: too about the hook eyes. Um, if you if you

1121
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 1: look at a lot of things like Sabeki rigs now,

1122
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: like even some of the rigs and things they have

1123
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: over in Japan, if you know how to schnell a

1124
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: hook properly, you actually don't ever need the line to

1125
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: go through the eye, you know what I mean. That's

1126
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: a very strong connection. Um, so that that totally makes sense. Yeah. Anyhow,

1127
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the paper, the researchers kind of

1128
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: suggest that phishing tackle hasn't changed much at all, saying

1129
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: that except for the use of metal and plastic, modern

1130
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: fishing has not invented anything new since the Natufian era,

1131
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: which seems a little reductive. Yeah, I mean like Berkeley

1132
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: gulp alone, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, motorized boats, trolling.

1133
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: You know that we could probably go on there if

1134
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to do a running list. On one hand,

1135
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: until they dig up an ancient plug with some Antler

1136
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: treble hooks, I'm going to chalk that up to hyperbole.

1137
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have to give them credit

1138
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: for arguably inventing the braided line, predecessor to power pro

1139
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: You're right, um. But another funny point about that too

1140
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people forget if you

1141
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: go back to the late eighteen hundreds, early nine hundreds,

1142
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: even like through the nineteen fifties, if you needed really

1143
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: strong ship, like like like Hemingway out there fighting Marlon

1144
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: and giant tune and stuff, you use dacron, right, I mean,

1145
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: that's just what they used. And then that kind of

1146
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: gave way to your your monofilaments, and then we sort

1147
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: of came back to braid, which is better than Dacron,

1148
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: but Dacron is still stronger than Mono. All we use

1149
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: Dacron four now is to back your fly reel. Not

1150
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: many people put that on a reel anymore all the time.

1151
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: Do you I hate when I'm backing for that reason? Well,

1152
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: you gotta be more careful. But um, they figured out

1153
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: all those thousands of years ago, Um, that that braided

1154
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: line worked well, and like it's sort of like we

1155
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: we knew that, and then we decided, oh, this is

1156
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: better mono, and then it's like, actually, no it's not,

1157
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: and we're back to that. So they were right all along,

1158
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. It's interesting how things go like that. Uh,

1159
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm honestly surprised they didn't find any of those Uncle

1160
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: Josh's pork frogs or like forever. Yeah. I got some

1161
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: jars of MIC's eggs from my childhood. That's like it's

1162
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: like a crystal in there, like you'd see it in

1163
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: a gem shop. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah.

1164
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: So anyhow, Uh, not exactly as controversial and as juicy

1165
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: as your story. But you know, I figured ancient fishing

1166
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: tackle would play well with our audience and hopefully Phil

1167
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: so we will see. I think I think it plays perfectly.

1168
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: And I'm a vintage tackle freak. Everybody knows that. Um.

1169
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: You know I I seriously contemplated grabbing this story myself. UM,

1170
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: and it's very it's very fitting. I'll tell you why,

1171
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: because we'll go to Phil um see what what floated

1172
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: his boat? Uh? This week? I'm wishing you luck there,

1173
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: but but I might have you. I don't know. I

1174
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: don't want to call my hut, But as soon as

1175
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: we're done hearing from Phil, we're actually gonna do a

1176
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: sale band with our guest co host this week, Zach Miller,

1177
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: who is a vintage tackle freak like me and a

1178
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: flea market junkie like me. And I promise you this

1179
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be a good one. Hayden, I'm offended that

1180
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: you would suggest that I would betray the purity of

1181
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: this Fish News competition by selecting winners based on what

1182
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: would set me up for the easiest or best joke.

1183
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: Did I tell you that that's what I do? Yes?

1184
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: I did, But I told you that in confidence, and frankly,

1185
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: only to make you feel better for losing so many times,

1186
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: sort of like how Miles would always come in here

1187
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: with the news bangers week after week, and I just

1188
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: couldn't keep giving it to him, so you know, i'd

1189
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: have to throw Joe a bone every once in a while.

1190
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: So here's the deal, Hayden. You're the winner this week,

1191
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: but now you've got to spend the rest of your

1192
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: life wondering if I liked your ancient tackle story and

1193
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: I thought you deserved this win, or if I'm just

1194
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: taking pity on you. I'll never tell. Why did you

1195
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: put the hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting. Man,

1196
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: You didn't have to be so hurtful with me, so angry.

1197
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: So with Zach here we have to do a sale

1198
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: bin because you are as much a connoisseur of junk

1199
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: as I am. Like you are a huge proponent of

1200
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: this segment when we started it, and I'm always so

1201
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: jealous because you frequently send me pictures of the ship

1202
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: you find at flea markets in Florida, and if it's

1203
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: fish or fishing related stuff that you like, there seems

1204
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: to be way more of it where you are. I

1205
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: would agree to a degree about that, at least because

1206
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: I am a you know, as much as I prowl

1207
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: flea markets and marketplaces I do get a lot of

1208
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: big scores and hits down here. I feel like there's

1209
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: more volume up there, but people just don't know what

1210
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: the hell they have down here, so it kind of

1211
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: makes it different, right, And but you also have too,

1212
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: it's just a lot more junk. I guess they call

1213
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: them junk stores, Like I'm not. That's not an antique store.

1214
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: It's not all fan See, it's like literally someone just

1215
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: took their garage and bought a storefront in a in

1216
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: a shopping center and threw all their crap in there.

1217
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: And then you also, there's like a pawn shop on

1218
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: every block there too, which we don't have up here.

1219
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: There's not a ton of pawn shops. Oh yeah, the

1220
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: pawn shop is one of like it's part of the

1221
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: charm of South Florida. You know, you can't go somewhere

1222
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, do you need money for whatever legal

1223
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: substance you know you're gonna partake in tonight on the

1224
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: bridge or at the bar or whatever, and we will

1225
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: give you ten dollars for that outboard engine right now. Dude.

1226
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: The coolest old school finn or spinning reel I ever bought,

1227
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: was it a pawn shop in Florida. Go figure, Um,

1228
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: I also know see you love to haggle like I

1229
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: feel like you enjoy a good flea market dickering session.

1230
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that and uh, you know, trying to argue with

1231
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: Carneys at the fair every year when it comes that

1232
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: it's essentially the same thing, so it I don't I

1233
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: don't think it's two different things. You know so well

1234
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: this but this is why we have to do a

1235
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: sale bing. So this week's sale ban item was sent

1236
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: in by my bud, Matt ferrell Um, and it was

1237
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: post did on the private Facebook group Fisherman's Garage Sale

1238
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: and up for grabs is a Mahi mount, which to

1239
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: my eye, yeah, to my eye right, it does not

1240
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: appear to be a skin mount. It looks like a

1241
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: fiberglass replica. Right now, both you and I have skin

1242
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: in the skin mount game. For a time, I was

1243
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: all about buying old skin mounted fish. I was like

1244
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: on this quest and then I ran out of space

1245
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: to hang them in my garage and I stopped buying them. Um,

1246
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: but it was all about the right price, right, And

1247
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: this kind of speaks to what you were saying earlier.

1248
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: People up here tend to think that their mounts are

1249
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: worth stupid money. It's either like stupid lee priced or

1250
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: the guys like give me twenty bucks. Right, So, like

1251
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: you're you're out junking more than me these days. What

1252
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the current used fish mount market?

1253
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: What are you seeing out there? You know, being on

1254
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: the streets out here and really getting a feel for

1255
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: what's going on in the skin Mountain, fiberglass mount community.

1256
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: At the junk stores, it's pretty much a hodgepodge of

1257
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: what you described. People either think it's worth more than

1258
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, their grandpa's packer that's been garage kept for

1259
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: eighty five years, or it's you know, you're gonna get

1260
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: a two dollar jackalope, you know, like nobody, nobody really

1261
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: there's like I don't know if there's like a blue

1262
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: book for taxidermy. Is there something like that yet? I

1263
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: really wouldn't know. I stopped with the blue books at

1264
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: the Beckett Baseball card book. I know you did. Anyway,

1265
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: let's we're getting off here. So so the owner of

1266
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: this mahi, which i'd say is like fish squality, it's

1267
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: good fish. He's asking fifteen hundred dollars, right, And here's

1268
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: what the post says, beautiful creation. This is not just

1269
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: a mount. It's the nicest mahi mount you ever did see.

1270
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: And then he goes on, no, I did not smoke

1271
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: drugs before making the price that that is. That is

1272
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: what it is worth to me, because it is perfect

1273
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: and it is mine. And see that's a problem right there.

1274
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: For like, that's a problem. That's the problem with a

1275
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of things. A little bit. I mean, at least

1276
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: he kind of try to get out in front of

1277
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 1: the drug thing. Um before you know, people started coming

1278
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: down on him in the garage sale here. But like,

1279
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: if I had to describe this, ma hey mount, it's

1280
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: not a skin mount. It doesn't look like a skin

1281
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: mount to me. But I if I had one word

1282
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: to describe this mount, I would say bitching, because the

1283
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: only thing this thing is missing is the flame job.

1284
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: This is a beautiful rendition of what a mokey might

1285
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 1: look like in your dreams. But not when he gets

1286
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: hit with the gaff in the back of the charter boat.

1287
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: They turned gray real quick, don't they anyway? Yeah, so

1288
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: all right, so the seller continues, I'm moving and don't

1289
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: have room for it. Rather than sit in my garage,

1290
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: I would like to practice catch and release and allow

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01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: someone else to enjoy the fish, which is, yeah, I

1292
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: am not shipping this thing, and you must send me

1293
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: a picture of the fish once a year period. Next

1294
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: sentence for science. Okay, that's where this makes a turn

1295
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: and gets a little uh, you know, a little summer

1296
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: of Sammy and like you look at this thing and

1297
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, practice catching release, Like, well, Steve, I

1298
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: got bad news. It's all right, Like there's no more

1299
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: releasing it. Yeah, we already missed, even if it's a replica.

1300
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. The id irony is there.

1301
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: So so here's a few top level thoughts. Right, I

1302
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: think he overpaid for this, MOHI, because I guarantee he's

1303
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: just trying to get back exactly what he spent. And

1304
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: guess what, right, do you know how the value of

1305
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: your new boat or brand new car drops like by

1306
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: half the second year, by it. It's the same with mounts,

1307
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: Like I got a tarpen here, I got a tarpen here.

1308
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: You've seen it. That's that's worth like or was worth

1309
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: two grand brand new, And if I was looking to

1310
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: dump it right now, I'd be happy with the first

1311
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: like eight d bucks somebody wagged in my face, right,

1312
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The only thing that I

1313
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: can think about, which is what's warning this price? Because

1314
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: he says it is worth to him, right. I know

1315
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of inflation these days, and to be fair,

1316
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: it's a very bright mahi and you know, maybe you

1317
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: know if everything is jacked up thirty three, he's just

1318
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, give somebody a quality amount of

1319
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: what it would be priced at now. And here's why

1320
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing, right, Because my next

1321
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: thought is, um, I once read and I believe this

1322
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: that mahi mahi is the number one most mounted fish ever.

1323
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: And why would that be? Right? Because they're pretty easy

1324
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: to catch and they're super colorful and badass looking. So

1325
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: when you know tourists that only ever caught a blue

1326
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: gill would show up in Florida and stick a mahi,

1327
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: it was real easy for the charter captain to talk

1328
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: him into amount because then they got kickbacks on the

1329
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: taxidermy bill. And I think I've seen more mounted mahi

1330
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: while out junking than any other fish. To me, they

1331
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: are they are a dime a dozen. I've seen a

1332
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: lot of mahire you're that's probably a statistic without even

1333
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: checking that mah He's the most mounted sale. F has

1334
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: to be right there with a missing bill or a

1335
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: portion of its sale missing. I see a ton of

1336
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: those two. But the only thing I can say is, like,

1337
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: if that's what's out on the streets, I feel really

1338
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: sad for all these people that they have not gotten

1339
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: the sales pitch for a canal tuna up to this point. Right, So,

1340
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, this guy is fawning all

1341
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 1: over this mahi and throwing out in sane prices because

1342
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: he also just may not be a real angler, and

1343
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: like this could have been the mah he he caught

1344
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: during that troll trip, you know what I mean, his

1345
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: resort put together while they were in Atlantis in the

1346
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: Bahamas um and the wife has always hated it, and

1347
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: how much he's spent on it, and now he's trying

1348
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: to undo those poor decisions. Too bad that the amount

1349
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 1: of my market is so saturated. But like you're basically

1350
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: trying to convince people your Honda accord is better than

1351
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: the four thousand other Honda accords for sale on Facebook.

1352
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: Right now, That's how I say it. What do you

1353
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: mean you're saying my Honda accords not as good as

1354
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: the other ones. All I know is if there is

1355
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: a Mahi market bubble and it's getting ready to pop,

1356
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be on the frontline of that resurgence.

1357
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: I got three of them too, in the attic and

1358
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: one of the garage. So man, I'm what are you doing?

1359
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: You have three grand sitting in your attic right now,

1360
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: easily easily easily Anyway, Matt, thank you for sending that brother.

1361
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: That was a really, really fun one, impertinent one for

1362
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: this episode. Remember, if you find some wacky fish or

1363
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 1: fishing related junk for sale on your online classified platform

1364
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: of choice, tackle whatever it may be, fire that link

1365
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: off to Bent at the meat eater dot com. So

1366
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: hammertime is slowly drawing to a close here, but it's

1367
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, at least I think. So

1368
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun having fun. Sure, sure,

1369
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: it depends who you talk to. Like I said, how

1370
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: am I supposed to follow up dudes who got stabbed

1371
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: by Pantera went to Pantera? Like, I can't do this.

1372
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: That was a fan. Miles didn't get stabbed at Pantera.

1373
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: He might have been the guy stabbing that guy could

1374
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: have been. I don't know. I doubt it though. Um. Anyway,

1375
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: So before we go, one other thing, right, since we're

1376
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: on this Florida theme, Um, I know that another thing

1377
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: you were really into is waiting for sea trout. Right,

1378
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: that's another one of your your many jams. Here's sharkein

1379
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: bay boats and waiting sea trout. Right, Yeah, man, many

1380
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: hats here, But waiting sea trout when it's cold, I

1381
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: would like to say, if it is one of my jams,

1382
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: I'd consider it more of a slow jam, because you've

1383
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: gotta really slowly creep those baits on the bottom right right.

1384
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: But speaking of those baits, I also know you're too

1385
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: cool to go buy a bucket of live shrimp to

1386
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: do it. You are anti live scrimps, that's correct, yes, sir,

1387
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: So just in case you are as anti live shrimp

1388
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: as Zack here, I've got a lower suggestion for you

1389
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: in this week's end of the line segment that's not

1390
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: only a classic but keeps up that true Florida theme. Well,

1391
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: that's not loud enough. There are very few inshore species

1392
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: in Florida that won't eat a live shrimp or a

1393
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: fresh dead shrimp for that matter. A Florida tackle up

1394
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: that can't maintain a constant supply of shrimp could be

1395
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: in trouble. But in the eighties, well known captain Mark

1396
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: Nichols had a thought, between the demand for shrimp and

1397
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: environmental concerns that were threatening shrimp habitat, what would everyone

1398
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: do if the day came when suddenly nobody could get

1399
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: live shrimp. At the time, there were some shrimp imitators

1400
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: on the market, but nobody spoke particularly highly of them.

1401
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: Somewhere simply heavy rubber shrimp tails you'd stick on a

1402
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: jighead and they looked okay, but they swam all wrong.

1403
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: Shrimp have a very specific movement in the water. Their

1404
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: legs undulate and they tend to just lazily ride the current,

1405
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: sort of floating around at different levels of the water column.

1406
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: Nichols realized that creating a lure that looked like a

1407
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: shrimp was easy, but having it behave naturally in the

1408
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: water to truly trick and trigger all the shrimp eaters

1409
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: from Florida to Texas was not, But he was determined

1410
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Nichols never intended to sell his

1411
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: shrimp creation, which took years to perfect, but when he

1412
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: realized just how effective it was, d O A lures

1413
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: and the famed d O A shrimp were born in

1414
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: the early nine nineties. The d O A shrimp has

1415
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: since become a staple on the coast from the outer

1416
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: banks all the way around to Padre Island, Texas. And

1417
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: the funny thing about it is it doesn't look like

1418
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: it would catch anything. Compared to other modern soft plastics,

1419
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: the d O A shrimp looks too stiff. It's anatomically

1420
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,839
Speaker 1: correct to a degree, but looks more like a basic

1421
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: cad drawling of a shrimp than the real thing. They

1422
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: come pre rigged and waited, and while the lure may

1423
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: look simple, the engineering is not. Now there are several

1424
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: variations of the d O A shrimp on the market

1425
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: these days, but it's the O G model that's the

1426
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: most well known and trusted. It's perfectly precisely waited in

1427
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: balance to fall slowly and always stay horizontal like a

1428
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: live shrimp. While the tail may seem too stiff and

1429
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,879
Speaker 1: the legs too stubby, Nichols designed them to constantly vibrate

1430
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: and flutter, further enhancing the ruse. The lords shine the

1431
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: brightest entitle current, and whether you fish them under a

1432
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: popping cork or solo, most of the time what you

1433
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: want to do is nothing, keep contact, take in line,

1434
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: and just let the shrimp hover out there in the zone.

1435
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: As Nichols says in many of his tutorial videos, you've

1436
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: just got to let the shrimp do its thing. You

1437
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: can't work it to death. My introduction to the d

1438
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: o a shrimp came on the first trip I ever

1439
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: took to fish the Florida back country when I started

1440
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: my career in the fishing industry, and we were targeting

1441
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: snook and redfish near Fort Myers, And it was so

1442
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: long ago that I hate to admit I don't even

1443
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: remember the guide's name. But we rolled up to a

1444
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: channel between two mangrove islands and he handed me a

1445
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: rod rigged with a float that had a very tattered

1446
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: brown d o a shrimp hanging below it. Just cast

1447
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: up current close to the mangroves. Let it drift, he

1448
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: told me. So I did, and it didn't drift more

1449
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: than twenty ft before getting smoked by the first snook

1450
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: I ever caught. I ended up catching a pile more

1451
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: that day and came to find out later that while

1452
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,919
Speaker 1: the leader had been changed a whole bunch, the particular

1453
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: shrimp I was using had been in rotation for two

1454
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: full seasons. Not only did Nichols want a lord that

1455
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: caught fish, not fisherman, but he made them affordable and durable,

1456
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: which is why I know so many Florida anglers that

1457
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: will not throw any artificial shrimp besides the d o A.

1458
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: And it's not like they don't have options, right, I mean, nowadays,

1459
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: companies like Live Target and Savage Gear make shrimp so

1460
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: realistic that if you mix them in a pile of

1461
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: fresh shrimp at the seafood market, nobody would be able

1462
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: to spot the fake. But I don't know a single

1463
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: seasoned die hard, trout, snook and redfish guy in Florida

1464
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: or elsewhere along the Gulf Coast that would take over

1465
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: a d o A. By the way, Northern listeners, while

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Speaker 1: we're not so shrimp relying up here, as the Florida

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Speaker 1: boys are, drift a d o A shrimp along a

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Speaker 1: jetty during the fall striper run or feed one back

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Speaker 1: along those sod banks were bass and weak fish. Lurk

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Speaker 1: and tell me what happens that is it for this week.

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Speaker 1: If you're currently planning a Florida vacation, remember if the

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Speaker 1: catch of the day at Mickey's House of Crab is

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Speaker 1: Mercury missile, order that ship. The maid is only pushing

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Speaker 1: you to have that Mahi Mountains. Who can buy another

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Speaker 1: pair of coasters with the kickbacks? And if you're looking

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Speaker 1: to score the coveted jailbreak Slam, this winner called Captain

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Speaker 1: Zach Hammer Miller of throw Down Fishing Charters and take

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Speaker 1: a ride on the Mickey Craft Live Shrimp not included. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a ringing endorsement. I'm just too cheap to even

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Speaker 1: shell out the bait here. But you know, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I guess this was kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed our time together. Uh you know, it's been

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Speaker 1: a long time coming. And I appreciate all the shout

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Speaker 1: outs for the three people who obviously a brain injuries

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Speaker 1: who requested me to co host with Joe one day, Like,

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys are the same people who are

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Speaker 1: gonna spend money with me this wintertime doing uh looking

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Speaker 1: for convicts in the jailhouse Slam Jailbreak, Well, you have

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Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and take the call if

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Speaker 1: they call, and and and let them on the boat

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Speaker 1: if if they do. Anyway, I appreciate you being here

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Speaker 1: this week, my brother. I hope all the fans out

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Speaker 1: there that called for me to drop the hammer got

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Speaker 1: their fixed until next week. Keep those sailbing items, bar nominations,

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Speaker 1: awkward photos, voice memos, and all that's good stuff coming

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Speaker 1: to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com. And remember

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Speaker 1: to use that beast up hashtag when you post that

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