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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's High Pony Day, National High Pony Day here on

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Speaker 1: wind Down here mirror.

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Speaker 2: I know people can't see. I get in my DMS

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Speaker 2: all the time. Can I please see the videos? But

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Speaker 2: I know, and we would love to do. It's just

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Speaker 2: we just do these the clips for socials and stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: iddios don't really work like YouTube. It's it's just like

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Speaker 2: one more extra layer and it doesn't really like I

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Speaker 2: would love to.

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Speaker 1: I think what they're really wanting, yeah, is my reactions.

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Speaker 1: You've got good ones. Well, I've tried to lock it

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Speaker 1: up a little bit lately because people are like dying.

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Speaker 1: I want to see what your face was like, especially

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Speaker 1: with the mic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the mic three part series, which I think went well.

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Speaker 1: Mature and well. I have not re listened. I sometimes

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Speaker 1: will listen, uh huh to episodes we've done, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't do because I just felt like I lived it

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Speaker 1: and I'm done living it. Sure, Yeah, but that was great.

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Speaker 1: It's like the next chapter. No pun noun and don't

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Speaker 1: forget to get your New York best selling copy, oh

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Speaker 1: Man Cramer or you're about to have a baby. I

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Speaker 1: mean it could could it happen while we're doing this podcast? No,

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Speaker 1: and well let's hope not.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think I'm in a really weird space

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Speaker 2: and being just like super honest, be honest, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: we'll see what date is this? You know, we record

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Speaker 2: obviously a couple of days before this, errors and everything.

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Speaker 1: But this last week has just been.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, and I know I didn't post about it, and

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Speaker 2: I because it's like it's one of those things where

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Speaker 2: I'm in the I'm in the middle space where I

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Speaker 2: almost feel like I want to protect up.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, this is good. Yep, We're in a very

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Speaker 1: similar season. Okay, it feels like almost tell me if

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Speaker 1: this feels accurate. Huh. To me, it's feeling like when

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Speaker 1: I'm posting while I'm doing something, it's cheapening my experience.

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Speaker 1: And so I've been a little bit more passionate. Like

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Speaker 1: the whole DC trip I did, I didn't post at all.

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Speaker 1: I just posted a couple days after and was like, psa,

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Speaker 1: go date your husband. And then I started to make

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Speaker 1: like a reel of all the pictures and then I

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Speaker 1: was like what but why for what special to me? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But like also just there is some in your in

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Speaker 1: I get like extra, Mama bear. I'd imagine that feels

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Speaker 1: like extra to you right now. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just like a really I was thinking about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to share this week? Well? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing because I'm like, it's the kind

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Speaker 2: much online and then there's the part where I don't

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Speaker 2: want to share as much. But then also I love sharing.

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Speaker 2: So it's like I'm like, I fight with myself. Well,

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Speaker 2: also they're invested in your story, sure, but I also

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Speaker 2: fight with what gets picked up or what said, because

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Speaker 2: I mean when we went to do the baby moon thing,

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Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, harsh. I yet it'splying

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Speaker 2: a victim, you know, or or just always wants attention.

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Speaker 1: Why does this girl? And it's like because they usually

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Speaker 1: just check people into hospitals for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, it's just I'm just like, you know, no,

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Speaker 2: I just also wanted to say, hey, if you got

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Speaker 2: back problem, it might be your kidney and you might have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you got ninety nine problems and the kidney could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just I'm like, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: just really want to hunker down and cocoon and just

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Speaker 2: have the sweetest memories with Jolie Jason Allen before everything.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's all just like very scary too.

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Speaker 2: I think the unknowns of the delivery and the C

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay. I think that's good. I think that

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Speaker 1: actually God designs us to be that way right before anyway.

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Speaker 2: And then another thing too is I was in therapy,

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Speaker 2: was it last week?

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Speaker 1: Sweet Amy? Sweet Amy.

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Speaker 2: I went to talk to Amy when I got back

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Speaker 2: As we're always learning and growing, there's things that obviously

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Speaker 2: with her, but it was basically, it's hard for me

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Speaker 2: when people in my not I'm not even circle, it's

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Speaker 2: that no matter what you do or say, they're going

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Speaker 2: to have their opinion of you no matter what, Like

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Speaker 2: their minds are already made up, right, And so an

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Speaker 2: instant or instance instance, an instance came up where someone

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Speaker 2: matter what I do, this person has already made their

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Speaker 2: I'm like a part of me wants to be like, well,

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Speaker 2: that's not who I am. You're hearing and you're you're

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Speaker 2: listening to people from even two years ago. Was I'm

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, why do I feel like I have

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Speaker 2: it was hard for me when someone you know is

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Speaker 2: allowing what that person says I'm like, you, you haven't

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that anyone that bothers anyone else,

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Speaker 2: for a while, because I remember when I even got divorced.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why does he hate me?

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't do all of the pain, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like why you don't get to hate me or like

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you also did X right, I've owned up

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Speaker 2: and that bothers me because I'm like, but because you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I struggle when people can't own period. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: it's okay, make mistakes, change be whoever. I never had

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Speaker 1: a problem with that. That's just being human. When there's

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I did. I don't even actually, I

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Speaker 2: I like the apology to look at all. The thing

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Speaker 2: I just long gone wanted apology from anybody. It's just

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Speaker 2: the person that still will say bad things where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: but and totally you're right, I was X, Y, and

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Speaker 2: Z one thousand percent, But do you want to also

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Speaker 2: say what you did? Yeah? Also also contributed to my

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Speaker 2: But like I think when then when I was like

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Speaker 2: Like like like buddy up? And then I was telling her,

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Speaker 2: I was like it was really affecting me because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: and the growth, and every day you know.

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Speaker 1: Is you you do better.

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Speaker 2: And you learn and whatever. But I was like, Amy,

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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's true or not true, they have already made

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Speaker 1: I deal with it in my own family system, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, no matter, because there was something

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Speaker 2: I don't write it because it's usually not something nice

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Speaker 2: That's not the case. And so that's where I just

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Speaker 1: I think you should honor that. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: But also it was after talking to Amy, there was

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Speaker 2: So there's no point again in me constantly feeling like

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Speaker 2: It's like I've done so much freakin' work, and that's

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Speaker 2: the piece that's been the hardest for me to let

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Speaker 2: go is that No. No, Like I'm a good person.

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Speaker 2: I've learned, and I was even seeing it in my

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Speaker 2: messaging during press week. It's like I've owned up to

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Speaker 2: my toxic patterns and yes, I was manipulative and yes,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't even it's the book. Isn't about the

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Speaker 2: fact that I was lied to, cheated in X, Y

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Speaker 2: so hardcore? Being like I've fought and I've learned.

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Speaker 1: make dinner together. And like, we are literally the only

434
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: country that just has a baby and then we exile

435
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: ourselves into our home by ourselves. So like the idea

436
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: of like community and village and love is like what

437
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do. And so I think it's actually

438
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: a little more godly and beautiful when we allow the help.

439
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: That's how the stance I've kind of had to take

440
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: to make myself feel better about it. I think too,

441
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: But like that the women that you're allowing into your

442
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: life to take care of the baby are also beautiful,

443
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: wonderful humans, like do La Katie, Like I want to

444
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: bring her back just because I want to hang out

445
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: with her. And she just let me cry and she

446
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: helped me pump and like figure out my body and

447
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: she just was like, yeah, yeah, you shouldn't host Thanksgiving

448
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: and I was like thanks, you know, but like it's

449
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: a beautiful that's what we're supposed to do. Yeah, community, village,

450
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: which is why I'm like, are you coming over for Thanksgiving? Oh?

451
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: I'm coming with mashed potatoes and I can't wait to

452
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: hold the baby the entire time. But I won't do

453
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: it if you don't want me to, but I'm here

454
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: if you do, I'll wear him. I just want to

455
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: startlegs to mine.

456
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going to take a break and then

457
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 2: we are going to talk to Zach and Bliss from

458
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: Love is Blind Season four because they are in love

459
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: and ready to do the thing. So take a break

460
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: and get him on. We were just saying, I mean

461
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 2: the love is blind concept. I feel like I kind

462
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: of love Okay, So I got to see Preston right.

463
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: I could not do this Love is blind, but I

464
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: kind of love was blinded for like six weeks because

465
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: I like met Preston weird, smitten, like head over heels,

466
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: like not like my personality type weird. At the time,

467
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: I like had a severe early allergy to mend like

468
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't. I don't your gender as

469
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: a whole, like you know.

470
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So we met and then I was going to

471
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: meet back up with him, like six weeks later. We

472
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: talked on the phone every day till four, laughing, giggling, whatever,

473
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: And then I thought, I don't even know how big

474
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: he is. I don't know how tall he is, Like

475
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: what if I what if I'm bigger than him? I

476
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: remember him not being like a super giant guy. Sure,

477
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: And so then I was like, am I gonna look

478
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: like one of those like floats from the Macy's Day parade,

479
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: like coming in for a kiss?

480
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: Who big?

481
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: You know? Like, but like that stuff does. Like I

482
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: hate to say it, but I the physical attraction matters.

483
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: The intellectual attraction is incredible, No.

484
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: I feel because it's kind of the same with Allen

485
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 2: and I like when he reached out to me in October,

486
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: I just saw his little icon because he was private

487
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: on Instagram at the time, so I just saw his

488
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: little teeny icon.

489
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 1: And it's his whole body, so you can't even really

490
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: see his face anyway. Yeah.

491
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: And then when I we messaged back and forth a

492
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: little bit in October and then November we FaceTime for

493
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: the first time, I'm like, okay, but I still feel

494
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: like face fime and photos they don't give you the no, no,

495
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: no no. I was obviously attracted to him. Sure, you

496
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: just when you don't have the whole yeah picture as

497
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: I didn't. I need to know how you smell. But

498
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: I love the ext like I can't.

499
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: I am, I don't I need a I need a

500
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: smell like I I literally right now would go smell

501
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: Preston's face. Yeah, sounds creepy, don't care like it's He's

502
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: just like yummy to me. I love the intellectual piece

503
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: of meeting someone building a good building a good trust

504
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: in relationship and rapport.

505
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: Before the meeting. That was cool because then it felt

506
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: even more connected.

507
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then when he turned around that's and I

508
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, let me have your baby. I'm done.

509
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: We'll be pregnant soon. It will be done, will be done. Yeah,

510
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: it's weird like that. The proposal piece on love is blind.

511
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: They don't get to see. They don't propose in person either,

512
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: so that is always fascinating to me. Like they get

513
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: down on one knee.

514
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: Which is interesting though because so they're like down one

515
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: knee at the frosted glass. Yeah, so that piece is

516
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: very interesting. But also because he picks Zach, this is

517
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: this is what's even more interesting. Zach picks Irena first,

518
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: and Mary's and h right, but he sees Bliss. So

519
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm wondering because you know, he didn't he didn't marry

520
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: He marries Bliss, but he picked Irena. They go off,

521
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, before they get married, they go on

522
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: a trip. Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, crap, hits the fan, Yeah, Mexico,

523
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: in Mexico. But I'm wondering if he's if he thought

524
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: when he saw Bliss. I just want to know what

525
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: made him pick Irena then over Bliss, and then how

526
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: them meeting up to actually see each other, what that

527
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: moment was. I remember watching a couple seasons where there

528
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: was people that I thought like, I could not I'm

529
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: not a reality TV fan. I mean I say that

530
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: all the time, right I got I went all in

531
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: I love is blind because I was so fascinated, like,

532
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: can you really truly make a connection with someone you

533
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: don't you can't smell their face like a creep.

534
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it. I know I

535
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: couldn't because it does matter to me, it does. I

536
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: need that if you're really funny, you have a chance.

537
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: I will say this though, no matter how handsome sexy

538
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: someone is, because I've I mean, Alan to me is

539
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: the most sexiest man I've ever been with. I think

540
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: he's so incredibly handsome. Also to Mike part of me.

541
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: He's also that to Mike.

542
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

543
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: We were at the pumpkin patch a couple of weeks

544
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: ago and I was like, I got to go to

545
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: the bathroom. He's like, Mike said, it's fine, the two

546
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: dads will just be here, and I said, please don't

547
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: hold his hand because I know you want to. You

548
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: guys are getting weird, Like Mike, I know you want

549
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: to hold his hand. But yeah, Alan is like extremely handy.

550
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: He's so handsome. But if he had a because you know,

551
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: we've all dated some good looking dudes, of course, he's

552
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: again the most handsome man I've ever dated. But remember

553
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: dating you know, people that are good looking, and if

554
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: they don't if one was not very respectful to other people,

555
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: if a little conceited, X Y and Z, if there's

556
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: also not that chemistry or a conversation, I don't care

557
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: how good looking you are. So that's the piece of

558
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: love of mind I could do. But I also need

559
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: the other piece. Yeah, I need I need you to

560
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: be funny. Yeah, and I need you to not be

561
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: stinky and so I can get your humor through the

562
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: frosted glass or whatever. But if you I just can't

563
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: do that. Your first question would be, so, what kind

564
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: of cologne do and how often do you shower?

565
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? I need like a good hygiene moment.

566
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: Okay, So Zach and Bliss are here, Let's figure it

567
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: out and see if they had any issues about what

568
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: the scent might be. Which, let me tell you a

569
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: cent when you're pregnant something it matters. I'm like, I like,

570
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: I made Alan throw away his car. You have paid

571
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: so many things. I haven't been able to wear perfume.

572
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: I know, I stink. That's I write a car thing

573
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: in the in the car, I said, Babe, I cannot

574
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: ride in your car if this stays in here because

575
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to vomit.

576
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Doul Changabana light blue, the women's version, vomit. I can't

577
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: do any of it. Nope, I feel bad.

578
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even there was something else I said bybe

579
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: I can't with a scent smell of bacon. There was

580
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: just like bulldog wash that he would wash with bulldog normally.

581
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I ithing, but every time I'm like, did he smell

582
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: like you need to discarf around his neck in a

583
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: little tag or hey guy, we just went off on

584
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: a terrible tangent. So thank you.

585
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: You actually saved us from myself because we were talking

586
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: about sense and how scent is very important, and she

587
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: was saying, with love is blind, She's like, you can't

588
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: smell him. How do you know that they smelled it?

589
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Like what if they stink? You should have thought about that, bliss.

590
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. I was like, the pheromones are so important,

591
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: Like you know what, it doesn't matter. A sense just

592
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: kind of off and it's like you can't quite place it,

593
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: but it's just that person's scent and it matters a lot.

594
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Thank goodness, he smelled.

595
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so we just need to I want to

596
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: break down a few things because obviously you guys, are

597
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: you been married for a year now.

598
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: Almost a year and a half and a couple of

599
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: days a year and a half, Yeah, congrats, thank you.

600
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: Obviously want to talk about that, but we like to

601
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: talk about the past here on wind Up.

602
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes welcome to our hot tub time machine.

603
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes too much, but I the whole because I was

604
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: fascinated when I remember what was his name was on

605
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: the Bachelor and he picked someone else, and then I've

606
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: made think that happened a couple of times. It was

607
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: a while ago, like when I really really watched it,

608
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: was he ended up picking someone and then he realized

609
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: that he made a mistake and he went to the

610
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: other girl, and so Jason Mesnik, thank you, Hannah, and

611
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: so I just remember that season really sticking out to me.

612
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: And obviously they've been married now forever and they're the cutest.

613
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: But for you, Zach, when you picked the other girl,

614
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: was there a piece of you that knew right then

615
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: that you were making a mistake or was it he

616
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: drinks his water?

617
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: Is it water, Zach?

618
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: What are you up to over there? Buddy, Zach? He's

619
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a little helper in a cup.

620
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: So to answer your question, I think the phrasing is

621
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: really important there because this is something I've talked quite

622
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: a bit about, you know, at nauseum, but I.

623
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: Know I had a feeling, but not on wind and

624
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: we need.

625
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: To know, Yeah, they should have it down then your answer, right.

626
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks. Maybe I think there's a misconception that happens

627
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: when you're looking at a scenario like that, Right, you

628
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: make an assumption that someone's making their decision based on

629
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: rational benefit, Right, that it's a that's a decision based

630
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: on like Okay, we're this is the best thing for me.

631
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with this. But people usually don't

632
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: think about fear and the way that that affects decision making.

633
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: And so in that situation, it was never a situation

634
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: where it was like a comparison. And I think that

635
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: that is the the component. Like they were too fundamentally

636
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: different people, right, And I certainly had stronger feelings for Bliss,

637
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: and maybe I wasn't even fully aware of that, but

638
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: because of that, I was afraid of what would happen

639
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: if it didn't work, and there were a lot more

640
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 4: well if we got engaged in it didn't work?

641
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: Right, Like that was a was you and Bliss so like?

642
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: So you thought that you had it a little less?

643
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: What's the like you had a better math, I guess

644
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: with the other girl, like.

645
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: Our brains.

646
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, I don't know if I would

647
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: use the word better right when when I when I

648
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: look at what was going on in my mind, Bliss

649
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: and I had had and you can't you don't get

650
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: to see all the conversations, right, But Bliss and I

651
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: had talked about some pretty big obstacles that we were

652
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: going to have to overcome if we got engaged. And

653
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: one of those being my allergies, which is a big deal.

654
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: You don't You don't really see very much of that conversation,

655
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 4: but I was diagnosed with allergy and dustasma. And Bliss

656
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: has a well we have an adorable question, well done,

657
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: and a beautiful little kitten.

658
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: You have a now stuffed cat. We have a cat

659
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that lives remotely at Bliss's mom's house.

660
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. The first time, the first time I came to

661
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: Bliss's house, I had a huge allergy attack. So this

662
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: is something we discussed in the pods. And Bliss's response

663
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: is not the best.

664
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reacted. They're like my babies, my animals, So

665
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: I reacted pretty poorly to him telling me he had allergies.

666
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: But I think, if I may, Babe, I think what

667
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: you're trying to say is that I don't want to

668
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: put words in your mouth to correct me that you

669
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: there was a greater risk of invested feelings being hurt

670
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: if he went with me. There was less risk to

671
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: go with her because it didn't work out. Yeah, sure,

672
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: maybe it wouldn't have It wouldn't have been as harmful

673
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: or as impactful. I don't know. You let me know

674
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 3: if that's like what you're thinking what you were.

675
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: Doing that that's one way to describe it. I think

676
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 4: that when when I was going through this, it's really hard.

677
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: Guys, I just want to say, I cannot imagine doing

678
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: what you did, so like, and you don't only just

679
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: do that. It goes like it's national TV, and now

680
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: that we have Netflix, it's like we can rewatch you

681
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: a gazillion times and the judgment that comes with it.

682
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: So like, I just hats off to both of you

683
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: that you can even pod up and even participate in

684
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: this project, because this is like, this is life and

685
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: it's love and it's learning a person. But you don't

686
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: even get to see bliss. You're you're so pretty. I

687
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: mean obviously we pick bliss over everything, but you're not.

688
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: You're not dealing with like real life, yeah in this,

689
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: so for you to pick one over the other, like,

690
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: just know we're we're in We're in team love is

691
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: blind over here and we're not judging New Zac, but

692
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: we do need we like a little dirt, no worry.

693
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: I like to sometimes just bring it up, keep them

694
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: on his toe. Yeah, I totally get it.

695
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: Was it hard though, getting the because obviously when you

696
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: went on that trip, you go, Okay, this is not

697
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: my person, and hats off to you for not staying

698
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: in something because I can imagine when you go on

699
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: a show like this, people I think stay together because

700
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: that's what other people want. And so you realizing that, Okay,

701
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work, and then you reach back

702
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: out to Bliss and then hearing things that I guess

703
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: she wasn't nice on the reunion which I didn't see that,

704
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: or you know, sending you mean things Bliss, It's like,

705
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: how do you then kind of walk that rope because

706
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: obviously there's hurt feelings and they're going to project it.

707
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: So then what do you do with that projection?

708
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just to kind of wrap back to the

709
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: last question and try to sustinctly answer that question, and

710
00:36:52,239 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: then I ultimately the experiment creates these connections right pretty rapidly,

711
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: and you're you're put into this position where sometimes even

712
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 4: unbeknownst to you, you will develop feelings for multiple people

713
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: and you those can be different types of connections, if

714
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 4: that makes sense, And I think it was when we

715
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: when we were in the pods. Ultimately, with Bliss, I

716
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: was just afraid of all the obstacles, and I was

717
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: afraid that it just wouldn't work, and that was why

718
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 4: I ended up not going with Bliss. But it was

719
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: never it was never like in the Pods. It was

720
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: never a situation where it was like a, well this

721
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: is this is one you know looking at Uh. It

722
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: wasn't a comparison. I guess that's just I think a

723
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: lot of people when lot in within the question, it's

724
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 4: usually is a comparison like, oh, why would you do

725
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: this over this? And it's it's it's more complicated that.

726
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: But when when I did make that decision, my body

727
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: and my my subconscious was certainly telling me that I

728
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: had I had made a mistake that the logical mind

729
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: didn't quite perceive in the moment, and I could feel

730
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: that immediately after Blisten, I ended our relationship in the

731
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: Pods as far as Mexico goes, and kind of everything

732
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: that had happened. I it took me kind of a

733
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: while to to kind of get over what had happened,

734
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 4: because it was it was just a lot of it

735
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 4: is a lot to go through, right like, everything that happened.

736
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: But I also don't want to I don't really want

737
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: to rehash all of that.

738
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't need to rehash that. It's more just

739
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: when it all comes back and people are being projecting

740
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: their stuff, it's like, how do you kind of go, Okay,

741
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: I have to boundary up and not let that into

742
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: our now new relationship Bliss and Zach.

743
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I.

744
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: Was really grateful that from filming to the time where

745
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: it was actually released there was a significant amount of time.

746
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: It was almost a year, so you're really able to

747
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: like form our foundation and our marriage and work through

748
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: any questions. And we had just like discussed everything really

749
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 3: really deeply. And I've always kind of been the type

750
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: of person that's able to put my walls up and

751
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: kind of ignore the masses or opinions. And I think

752
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with how I

753
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: was raised, and I was really lucky to have that

754
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: kind of mindset going into all of this. It still

755
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: is always like hurtful to hear people speak negatively about

756
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: your relationship or you know, I got tons of messages

757
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: about being second choice and all of these things, and

758
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: you deserve better, and it's it. Honestly, that's just not

759
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: how I perceived it. Because there was other relationships that

760
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: I had in the pods too, right where you're forming

761
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: these relations at the same time, it's it's not about

762
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: being second choice. So he just never made me feel

763
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: that way. I think that's why I was so calmly

764
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: able to react when we did end things. You know,

765
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: I was very like I respected him as a person,

766
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: I wanted him to be happy. But I just think

767
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: I think it's just so it's just you can't live

768
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: your life that way, like listening to what other people say,

769
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: and a lot of the times you're right, it's about

770
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: projecting like people are like I was in that situation,

771
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 3: or someone chose over me and they're angry at you

772
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: or at Zach or that's the situation because they're hurt

773
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: with their own feelings. And any messages that I ever

774
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: did respond to around that topic, I actually said those

775
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: things like I hope that you heal from your trauma

776
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: or whatever happened to you.

777
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: And that's awesome that we're talking about the top of

778
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: our show too, where it's just people are going to

779
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: project their own their own true feelings and they don't

780
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: really get to chance to understand y'all's relationship or you

781
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: as a person exactly.

782
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: But again, really grateful for that time. I think I

783
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: really love that about Love is Blind. I don't think

784
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: that the Bachelor has as much time in between the

785
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: filming and the actual release, and I think that's why

786
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: maybe there's a lot of like failure or not not failure,

787
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: people breaking up in that you know, in that what's.

788
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: It called timeline window?

789
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, timeline, yes, mad mad.

790
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Math is the default term.

791
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: So you okay when you guys got back together, though,

792
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm curious because it wasn't on technically like the show

793
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: timeline or the show contract, So what made you then

794
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: want to expedite the getting married proposal? And listen, I

795
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: can't talk. I got engaged with in six months. So

796
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm the person that's like, when you know, you know,

797
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: and we're all at the age where we know when

798
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: we know, and so I've and that's the narrative that

799
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: you know. Even my podcast producer when I told him

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: I was engaged, he's like, oh my god, like you

801
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: only know. I'm like, okay, but that's my decision. My

802
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: choice is my timeline, our timeline. And it might not

803
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: make sense to America that we got engaged this fast

804
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: and having a baby and everything else. But it's our timeline,

805
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: and it's I don't I personally don't think you have

806
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: to be with someone for years in years to then

807
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: that's you know, people think like, oh, you have to

808
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: do this person for these many years, then you can

809
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: engage and then this and it's like okay, but that

810
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: might not. But then you can also break up a

811
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: year later. And some people that I know have been together,

812
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, got engaged in three months and they've been

813
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: together for twenty years. So what's your kind of stance

814
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: on all that.

815
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: I'll go really quick. I might contend to be a

816
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: little bit more sustinct than Zach and still let's give

817
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: more time. But I, for me, I'm a very spiritual

818
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: person and I truly feel like from our dates in

819
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: the pod, like I knew that he was my person,

820
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 3: Like it was just kind of like this deep knowing

821
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: in my bones, like I'd never experienced anything that before.

822
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: I thought maybe I'd experienced that before, but when I

823
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: actually did, I it was just like something I've never

824
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: experienced in my life and I just knew it. And

825
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: I was like, why I've been looking for it in

826
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: my whole life, Like why do I need to waste

827
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: time right, and it just felt right for us. It

828
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: kind of felt like it always was just supposed to

829
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: be us and it was just correcting the path. And

830
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: so it didn't feel that weird to me to get

831
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: engaged and to go proceed with the wedding and just

832
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: felt like that was just how it was supposed to be.

833
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: We're a couple of path correctors here on this couch

834
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: as well. Sure we were not blindly dating in pods

835
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: and accidentally picked the wrong person a couple time.

836
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: That's fine, it happens, but.

837
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: It is crazy. It is when you know you know,

838
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that is something I never experienced until I

839
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: met my husband current husband. Yeah, and you don't, it doesn't.

840
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: It's it is a really cool knowing to just be

841
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: like I mean, Janea and I just talked about this

842
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: yesterday or this week off the podcast, but I was like,

843
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: I he is my person. She was like, he really

844
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: is your person? And I said, I know. It's like

845
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: I can't describe why he is, but he will always be.

846
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: And when you know, you know, so you fly. So

847
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: for people that didn't watch this, you and Irena go

848
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: to Mexico. It's a disaster, is the show? Part of

849
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: you flying to Seattle or do you go. I've got

850
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: to get to this girl producers give me her address.

851
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: So it was a it was kind of a complicated

852
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: situation the way it all went down. When I guess

853
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: when I got back, I was like devastated right after

854
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 4: everything that I like, everything that I went through. It

855
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: was it was a lot because I think initially when

856
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: I broke up with Bliss and the Pods, I was

857
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: really really messed up, like really messed up, and it

858
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 4: took me a while to kind of get over it.

859
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: And like you can kind of see, there was I

860
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: remember when we get interviewed in the podse and I

861
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 4: remember one of our producers asked me a question. He's like,

862
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: you don't look like you're ready to to propose, and

863
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: I was just like, you know, I'm just dealing with

864
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: with the like what had happened, and I I I was,

865
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: you know. And then so I kind of got myself

866
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: where I was like, Okay, we're gonna move on. You know,

867
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: you made a mistake. You're going to live with it,

868
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: and it's what's done is done. You made your choice.

869
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: So that that was really my mindset, and there wasn't

870
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 4: like a part of me that was like, I'm gonna

871
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: go back and try to to like win win Bliss over.

872
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: I really was like I made my choice. It was

873
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to move forward with this. And as I

874
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: you know, after I got engaged and everything that kind

875
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: of happened while was in Mexico. So Bliss had given

876
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: me a couple of gifts. She had given me this

877
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: book Read Rising by Pierce Brown, and she also gave

878
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: me this Court's Heart that I still have. I actually

879
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: kept it with me when we got married, Rose Courts Heart,

880
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: you know, and like while I was in Mexico and

881
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: things were going terribly, I just kept looking at that

882
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: heart and and it just it gave me a little

883
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: bit of solace and it made me feel just a

884
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: little bit better. And like every day I would sit

885
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 4: there and I was like, dude, you you, regardless of

886
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: whether it would have worked, you should have you should

887
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: not have made the decision that you did and.

888
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: Done the wrong, math all done the wrong.

889
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 4: And then I would I would read the book that

890
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: she had given me, and it was that the books

891
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: were what really was where my attraction and spark with

892
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: Bliss really started. Is we started talking about our like

893
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: our passion for literature, and we really connected on that.

894
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: And as I was reading the book, I was like, wow,

895
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: she really gets me. Like every time I would read it,

896
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: I was like this, this we connected so deeply on

897
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: on things that we are our passion about and that

898
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: we enjoy. So I was going through that and honestly,

899
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 4: like my thought was just and she had kind of

900
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: given me some warnings in the Pods too that I

901
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: had not heeded. So part of me, part of me

902
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: going into it like once we got back, was I

903
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: I kinda I kind of need to apologize, like because

904
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 4: of just the way everything went down. And also I

905
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 4: wanted to give her a gift because she had given

906
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: me multiple in the Pods, so I actually I didn't

907
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 4: know what I was going to give her, and it's

908
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: it's funny. So I was looking around and I thought

909
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: about our conversation in the Pods about how you want

910
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 4: to tell them what.

911
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: You Oh, I like really want to go to the moon.

912
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: As cheesy as that sounds, like, I've been if I'm

913
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: like ninety years old, like one day before I die,

914
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: I want to go.

915
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: It's not that far off, sis.

916
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: It's right, right. I feel like it'll be like reasonable

917
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: at that time, of.

918
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Course it will Bliss in space. I'm here for it.

919
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 4: Her dream was the one day walk on the Moon,

920
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: and so I looked over and I have these two

921
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: bookends and they're my favorite book ends, and there are

922
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: two astronauts on the moon holding the books together, and

923
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: so I was like, that's that's the gift, right, So

924
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: I brought that with me to give to Bliss, and

925
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: when we met, the plans changed. It was just the

926
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: second like I could I could feel the connection the

927
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: moment she walked in the door, and the chemistry was

928
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: really really strong, like it was the second that she

929
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: came in. My first thought was uh oh, like uh

930
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 4: uh oh.

931
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Is that the first time you actually saw her in

932
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: person too?

933
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very nerve wracking. In a public place,

934
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: it was like, oh my gosh, it was so nerve wracking.

935
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting there thinking like, okay, I could

936
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 4: just I could feel like this this is probably my wife,

937
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: Like I just there was something in that moment when

938
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 4: we met. And I wasn't certain about it because I

939
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 4: like to deliberate over decisions, but I knew that there

940
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: was something incredibly special there and I had known in

941
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: the Pods. I was so close to getting engaged to

942
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 4: her that logically, in my mind, I'm like, Okay, you

943
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: know everything that matters is there, and you know that

944
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: you can feel this connection. And so it was a

945
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 4: pretty short turnaround. It was about a week before we

946
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: met to when I was like, on a knee.

947
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: What's been the best and what's been something that you

948
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: guys go, Okay, we gotta work on this a little bit.

949
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. We both are very strong headed people. We both

950
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: like to express our opinions, and I think we're both

951
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: used to being with people that kind of just like

952
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: go with the flow of whatever or just agree with

953
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 3: whatever is, so we challenge each other in that. I

954
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: think we definitely he's a very strong person. I actually like,

955
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 3: really respect him. He's so intelligent, and I haven't really

956
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: been with someone that I like I can trust their

957
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: opinion on things. I'm like, oh, I didn't think.

958
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 4: About it that way.

959
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm usually just used to relying on myself. So that's

960
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: been a challenge and like a really beautiful thing in

961
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: my opinion.

962
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: So I would say I don't know if my experience

963
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: has been that I have typically been attracted to maybe

964
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: that's just strong, strong willed women. Yeah, I think that

965
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: that's one of the things I find very attractive about Bliss.

966
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: And yeah, so for me, I'm very comfortable with conflict.

967
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: I think it's a natural part of relationships, and so

968
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't mind that I think they are. It is

969
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 4: interesting though, we both are to some degree verbal processors,

970
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: and so sometimes in conversations that can be difficult when

971
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: both people want to process things verbally. Yeah, yeah, exactly so.

972
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: But we've learned that. And also I think that one

973
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 4: of the biggest things that we've learned in our conflict

974
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 4: style is at least that I have learned, is it.

975
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: I just think I have to give Bliss time. You know,

976
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: if we have she will listen to me, but she

977
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: won't always ignoge what I'm saying until she's had some

978
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: time to reflect on it. But she almost always does.

979
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 4: Our very first fight went exactly like that in the Pods.

980
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: It was weird.

981
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't show that we had an argument in

982
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: the pods.

983
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had all we had a big conversation about

984
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: whether her family was going to accept me, and she

985
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: did show that part. Yeah, and then about the allergies

986
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 4: and like the obstacles that we were going to face,

987
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: and it was pretty heated. And then when we came

988
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: back Bliss that on our next date, Bliss was very

989
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: calm and collected, and she showed a level of maturity

990
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: that was incredibly impressive in the way that she was

991
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: able to articulate understanding my emotions and the way that

992
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: I was feeling and how that was going to affect me.

993
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 4: So I've learned when she gets a little riled up,

994
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: to just let her be a little riled up and

995
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: then you know, wait, wait a couple hours and then

996
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: we can talk.

997
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes that makes perfect sense. What is if

998
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: you can to wrap up?

999
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: What is it?

1000
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: What is the takeaway that you want people to have

1001
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: when it comes to you guys as a couple.

1002
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: I think for me, Zach, I wasn't. I wasn't. I

1003
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: guess I hadn't been in situations where I was so

1004
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: quick and easy to forgive people and to give grace

1005
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: so quick and easy. It's been a long journey for you.

1006
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: People will see like, oh you you're so gracious and forgiving,

1007
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: and that that took a lot of work for me.

1008
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't in my twenties I was not on that train,

1009
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: on that path, and it took a lot of work.

1010
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: But I think our experience, like really, really truly like

1011
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: showed me how to deeply, truly, hundred percent forgive and

1012
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: give grace. And I think our story, if I want,

1013
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: I want people to take that from that, you know,

1014
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: from our stories, Like it's so important to give grace.

1015
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: It's so freeing to be forgiving, not only of that

1016
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: person but of yourself. It's a beautiful thing that I

1017
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: hope everyone learns to do. So for me, I would say.

1018
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: That he meant to.

1019
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: I think that there's two things that I would I

1020
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: would want people to take from our relationship. One is

1021
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: what Bliss just said. I think that's the most important

1022
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 4: thing to me. And that was the most important thing

1023
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 4: to me at all on the show. And we had

1024
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 4: such a beautiful cast that was so graceful and gave

1025
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: gave forgiveness where maybe it wasn't it wasn't due. But

1026
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: that's the beauty about grace, right, is that it's not

1027
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: necessarily deserved, but when we give it, the world becomes

1028
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: a more beautiful place. We break that cycle of violence,

1029
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: we break that cycle of pain, and like that's what

1030
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: that is the story of our love, right, is that

1031
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: bliss could have been I was mad.

1032
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: I was mad. I was able to.

1033
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: Yourself to go to Mars, buddy, because I'm going to

1034
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: be I'm a moon.

1035
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: It was. Yeah. So I think that that's so many people.

1036
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 4: There's people who've hurt you. There's things that have happened

1037
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: to you in your life, and if you hold on

1038
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 4: to those or try to punish people for the things

1039
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: that they've done to you, you're only making the world

1040
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: just a little darker, Right, even if it doesn't benefit you,

1041
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 4: it'll benefit someone else, right if you give that grace.

1042
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 4: But it's a hard it's a hard question. It's something

1043
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: that I really dealt with with my experience in the Pods.

1044
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: Back to your question about the Mexico thing, because there's

1045
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: there's grace, but then there's also like trying to balance

1046
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 4: truth and acknowledging the truth of what has happened. And

1047
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: it's not healthy to allow like someone to engage in

1048
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 4: really toxic behavior and not to acknowledge it. Right, Like,

1049
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 4: grace doesn't mean that you know, Grace doesn't mean that

1050
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: there's not accountability and it and for me, it was like,

1051
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: what's the balance though, it was really like what's the balance,

1052
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: how what's the minimum amount you need to say to

1053
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: to be honest and and and hold someone accountable without

1054
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: churning into you known, condemning them. Yeah, and that that's

1055
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: that's something that I still have still work on in

1056
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 4: my own life, and it's a it's a process of

1057
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 4: becoming better at that. The the last rant that I

1058
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: would say is that I think, look like there's a

1059
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 4: lot of people out there that are lonely, that are

1060
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: that are hoping to find their person, to find love.

1061
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: And I would just say it's it's going to come

1062
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: on its own time, and that like for us, I

1063
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: mean we met, I was I was really thirty thirty two,

1064
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, thirty Yeah, And so there's like a

1065
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: long time, like I was very serious about finding a wife.

1066
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted personally, and I went through a

1067
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 4: long process of like trying trying to go through that

1068
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: knowing what I was looking for, but not quite finding it.

1069
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't force it, I think is a big thing, right,

1070
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: t wait for it. It's worth the wait.

1071
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: You just have to take risks though, Like that's that's

1072
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 4: the biggest thing you have to put yourself out there.

1073
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: Love is blind. Just go for it.

1074
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, blisk blisk could have sure that they're sent is good.

1075
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: There was a real part of me when I when

1076
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: I proposed to blist. I mean it was a week

1077
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: after I got back. Yeah, And there was a real

1078
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 4: part of me when when we got on the boat.

1079
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: I always thinking I made it, so I may get

1080
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: rejected on National TV on this boat and it's going

1081
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: to be really awkward. I had a hunch that it

1082
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: wasn't going to happen, but I didn't know by no

1083
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: means that I know. It was a real surprise.

1084
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: So I'm so happy for you guys, and I love

1085
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: the fact that you're just allergied up with all your meds.

1086
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, way we can keep the Do we have

1087
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: an an an by to babies too? Or is there

1088
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: going to be babies in the future.

1089
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Do you have an allergy to

1090
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: human babies?

1091
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so you guys can talk about this

1092
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: in the I'm like, I should have found that one.

1093
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: There's no EpiPen for that, Zach, So we're gonna need

1094
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: you to get on board, buddy. But kids and kids

1095
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: in the future, you.

1096
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: Think yeah, yeah, really close with our families and our

1097
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: nieces and Matthews. So one day yeah, hey, well I

1098
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: love it.

1099
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: Well, congrats, thank you for coming on the show. And uh,

1100
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: we're no, we're excite to follow along, so thanks for

1101
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 2: coming on. They're so cute. Oh love, love, love love.

1102
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: So I couldn't date a cat person, There's something else

1103
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't do. That was one of the first things

1104
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna say.

1105
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I mean either I actually am

1106
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: allergic and I'm not allergic like he is, so I am.

1107
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how to hold a cat.

1108
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: I grew up with cats. Well, cats don't want to be.

1109
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: And something bothers me when some of this, oh, it's

1110
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: just like a dog, I'm like, no, no, no, you're

1111
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: just trying to say that because you know, dogs are

1112
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: cooler and because it acts more like a dog, because

1113
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: it but cats to me, Oh, I think it's just

1114
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: because I love love and I want to be loved. Actually,

1115
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: I will say this in where the mafays I'm at now.

1116
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: I think I would do better with a cat because

1117
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: I just don't want because dogs, you know, it's just

1118
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: it's a lot with it, and I don't have time

1119
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: right Yeah, they're the last thing to get fed. It's

1120
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: just the truth right now, until the kids are older.

1121
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: Then I'll just love dogs again. Second I had a baby,

1122
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: dogs just became a dog, and it's I did not

1123
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: believe that was going to happen to me. My almost

1124
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: eighteen year old Jack Russell is in his sweet hospice

1125
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: years at my house right now, and I thought, there's

1126
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: no way.

1127
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: He's my baby. He's my person. He thinks he's a person,

1128
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: he's a dog.

1129
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1130
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, but the cat thing, I still I just I

1131
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: thought about it for a second because Jolie really wanted

1132
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: when I was like, all right, that's how hard can

1133
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: this be? But then I'm allergic. My mom's husband is

1134
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: like deathly allergic and so and then I just was like,

1135
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: I just don't like cats.

1136
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: I could tell you if you've been around a cat

1137
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: in the last forty five days, like I'll stop breathing. Well,

1138
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: don't worry.

1139
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: So that is really out and said he didn't like cats.

1140
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh yeah, because that would be

1141
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: a oh.

1142
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't. I'm like looking at him

1143
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: like I was trying to zoom in on his eye, like,

1144
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: are you watering? Are you okay? Can I get a

1145
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: pull socks on this guy? Because that's a lot passing

1146
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: against cat people. Again, I just didn't grow up. I don't.

1147
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I just am allergic to them.

1148
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: So they there's just kittens who are so cute. My

1149
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: friend Amy had a kitten in their day or other

1150
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: day Jesus. A couple months ago. She came to see

1151
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: me and when I.

1152
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: Was actually twenty eighteen, who she brought a kit And

1153
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's cute. Yeah, but then when it

1154
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: just gets older, I think that's how my parents feel

1155
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: about me. They're precious. Okay, Well, it is fun to hear.

1156
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: The other side of love is blind though, because you know,

1157
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: when you tune in, you don't get there's so many

1158
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: There's only so much airtime they can give these people,

1159
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot that gets edited out and

1160
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: you want to know exactly.

1161
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: But let's try and get the Boys next week.

1162
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: That'd be fun. I think that's fun. We'll see it

1163
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: will stay tuned. It would be maybe Amy and the Boy.

1164
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: Oh, we should get our therapist and the boys.

1165
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Amy and the Boys sounds like a really cool rap group. Oh,

1166
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: I love that idea. Okay, I don't think Alan will

1167
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: go for it. But I don't think but he'll go

1168
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: for Alan. Yeah, well this one. Maybe there's a logger

1169
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: and a couple baby daddies in our future.

1170
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll give him a beer. Yeah, okay, all right,

1171
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: see you guys next week.