1 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: We spent a little bit of time before we went 2 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: on air in search of the perfect song to open 3 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: today's episode with and by Golly by Gum. I think 4 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: we got it. Let's let's let's roll it. Just a 5 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: clip of it. There was some scientists trying to figure 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: out the Sasquatch. Ridd All didn't figure it out. It 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: was a missing leak. Is that the D? It is 8 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the D man, I love the D miss the D. 9 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: They're back though, that's uh. What could be more appropriate 10 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: than the Tenacious D song about big Foot about the Sasquatch. Hello, 11 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, I am nol and no, you found that 12 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: perfect song as we were, as we were looking through 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: the internets to find a cool, fun song. What had 14 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: to be the one, Ben, because there is really no 15 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: finer song of the mystery of the big Foot the Sasquatch. 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Then in Search of Sasquatch by Tenacious D. That was 17 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: also the TV show version. I don't think it was 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: actually on the record. It doesn't matter, but they made 19 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the Only way that song could be topped is if 20 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: Tenacious D when they return, if they put out a 21 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: reprised version, or they have the discovery of the Sasquatch. 22 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: We want to, of course bid a distance hello to 23 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegram and a very close hello 24 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: to our guest super producer, Paul Deckett. He's seated right 25 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: outside of the shipping container. Were looking at him right now. 26 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: And our story today begins in the far West, Northern 27 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: California specifically, it also incorporates not just Tenacious D, but 28 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: a another pop culture phenomenon, Star Wars. Where do you 29 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Where do you come down on the Star Wars? Ben 30 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: for it again? I'm for it. I'm a fan. I'm 31 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: not one of those people who feels that you must 32 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: choose between either Star Trek or Star Wars. I think 33 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: they both have their merits and they're totally different because 34 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: they're in space and they have Star in the name. 35 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: We have to make a choice, We have to choose allegiances. 36 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. It feels a little uh, it feels a 37 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: little bit uh, falsely dichotomous to me. Are you rebel 38 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: or empire? You know, it's tough to make that call 39 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: because having watched the films, the rebels are always the protagonists, 40 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: so an empire, they're basically a bunch of fascists. Yeah, 41 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: man very much into uniforms and conformity. So I guess 42 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: I would say rebel. But really, if I were existing 43 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: in the Star Wars universe, all I would want to 44 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: do is use the force, get my medicalorian's up. You 45 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: know what about what? What about you? Where? Would you? 46 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Obviously rebel? It seems like a very unpopular decision to 47 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: be uh empire, but people do choose that allegiance. And 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: in the fan community, Um, many of you may know 49 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: our compatriot Holly Fry from stuff he was in history class. Also, 50 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: by the way, plug host of a cool show I'm 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: working on with her called Drawn the Story of Animation, 52 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: which is a partnership with Cartoon Network and it's a 53 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: really fun kind of love letter to all things animation. Anyway, 54 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Holly the biggest Star Wars fan you could ever imagine. 55 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm serious, use your imagination, think of the biggest Star 56 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Wars fans. Take it up. A couple of clicks from there, 57 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: you got Holly Fry. She has a rebel tattoo. She 58 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: makes all her own clothes, pretty much all of it 59 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: is Star Wars themed. Um, and when she overheard Ben 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: you and I talking about the connection between Sasquatch and 61 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: a certain Wookie. Her eyes lit right up. It's true, 62 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: there is a connection. Now, fans of Star Wars, you 63 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: will recall Chewbacca. Of course he is that or in 64 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: the throat. Really you can go that was close. Let's 65 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: let's play a clip. It's better as I was saying. 66 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Chewbacca is a Wookie, a tall, harry biped and also 67 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: intelligent essentient being. He is best known as the friend 68 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: first mate, cosmic road trip buddy of Hands Solo, and 69 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: he is the co pilot on the famous spaceship the 70 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: Millennium Falcon. He's also super duper tall, very tall, like 71 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: seven ft plus. Yeah, and you know it took a 72 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: super duper tall human to fill that super du tall costume, 73 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: a British man by the name of Peter Mayhew. Yes, 74 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Peter Mayhew, who might be unfamiliar to people who are 75 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: casual Star Wars fans. I wouldn't say that either of 76 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: us or super producer Paul are people who can quote 77 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: exact moments and know all the cannon. I wouldn't say 78 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: we're super fans, but but we're fans, right. You like 79 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: Star Wars seeing all the move I'll see I've seen 80 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, and I'll probably watch them again. 81 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: And I'll say it in real life. I'm a very nice, 82 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: compassionate person with a lot of empathy. But I think 83 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: the Scith are cool. Wow, don't you dude, The Sith 84 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 1: They're cool. Darth Vader is like the most memorable part 85 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: of the first few movies. It's true. Also played by 86 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a very tall man. It's actually quite appropriate for today's episode. 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: How Mayhew found himself um in this role in London 88 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: back around the time that Star Wars was going into 89 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: pre production. And uh, he was part of a profile 90 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: um that a London reporter did on people with big feet, 91 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: which is insane when you think about it. Funny. Originally 92 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to be Chebacca. Originally, I believe George 93 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Lucas was hoping to get a bodybuilder named David Prowse 94 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: to play the role. But Prowse chose to play Darth Vader, 95 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: and we should say, uh, Peter Mayhew, despite having a 96 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: peak height of seven ft three inches or two centimes, 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: he does not suffer from gigantism, you know, like Wadlow had. Yeah, 98 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: he's just he's just a big fella. He does, however, 99 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: have a condition called Marfan syndrome, which is a genetic 100 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: disorder of connective tissue and often that can lead to 101 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: people having extraordinary heights. Yeah, and often very skinny. Um. 102 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: You know the band Deer Hunter, the singer Atlanta Bands Fantastic. 103 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: The singer Bradford Cox has Marfan syndrome, and he's quite 104 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: tall and lanky. The other guy you're talking about who 105 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: played Darth Vader, he said he wanted to play Darth 106 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: Vader because he thought villains were more memorable. Um. And 107 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: the funny thing is too, he didn't realize his voice 108 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be ised that it was. Jones did a 109 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: little bit and switch on him. And Mayhew also not 110 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: his voice. The voice of Chewbacca, that sound we heard 111 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: a minute ago is comprised of like a bear, walrus 112 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: uh and several other animals combined to make that super 113 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: cool sound. But today's story didn't take place until the 114 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: third I don't know. I don't know how you count 115 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: him that you're supposed to. It's like episode in order 116 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: of let's do it in order of release. That's let's 117 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: do it that way, just to keep it easy. Um. Yeah. 118 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: The third Star Wars movie released that was the Return 119 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: of the Jedi, which was the first Star Wars movie 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: to feature If I'm not mistaken, and Star Wars fans 121 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: please just just come at me. No, don't be kind, 122 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: give it to me. Hit me with your lightsabers. Was 123 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: the first one to feature the the Little Guys, a 124 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: little furry bear guys. He walks and they occupied uh 125 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: the their forest dwellers, the Forest of Indoor. Yes, Return 126 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: of the Jedi Night three. In the film, you will remember, 127 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: of course, that Chewbacca is one of the characters who 128 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: visits Indoor and he is he has a nice rapport 129 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: with e walks, being that they are both furry and 130 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: levable despite their size difference. But the story we're examining 131 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: doesn't take place in front of the cameras while they 132 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: were rolling and you see where they were shooting the 133 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: scenes for the Forest of Indoor in uh state Park. 134 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: What was that state park? It is the Tall Trees 135 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Redwood Grove located in the Redwood National and State Park 136 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: in Humboldt County. And when this area has another notable 137 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: thing about it, aside from being a side of Star 138 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:08,239 Speaker 1: Wars filming. It is also known as an alleged hotspot 139 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: for one of the most famous cryptids in the United 140 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: States Bigfoot a k a. The Sasquatch a k a. 141 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: The Yetti a k a. Swamp pape, but that they 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: called swampape in Florida sun skun Gape. That's another way 143 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:29,239 Speaker 1: abominable snowman in the Himalayas, and sasquatch sighting or sasquatch 144 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: hunting was popular enough in this region and remains popular 145 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: enough in this region today that the filmmakers were worried 146 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: that Chewbacca or Peter might get shot or harassed or 147 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: attacked because in Bigfoot country there is a seven plus 148 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: foot tall creature that is Harry that is wandering around. 149 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: And they said, well, you know, that's kind of gonna 150 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: mess up filming for us. We don't have him getting shot. 151 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: What's that cool word, the five dollar word for being 152 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Harry here suit to love that. Yeah, sorry, I just 153 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: love that word. Yeah. So they didn't have it in 154 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: the script for him to be shot by Bigfoot hunters, 155 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: but they had to make the movie anyway. The show 156 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: must go on. So what did they do? Well? According 157 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: to Mayhew himself, this is something of sort of a 158 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Star Wars fan community urban legend, which is interesting considering 159 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: it surrounds a big Foot story as well. Um that 160 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: he had kind of a detail, sort of a protection 161 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: squad if you will, that were decked out in brightly 162 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: colored jackets like vests, you know, like um you'd see 163 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: neon crossing guard vests or or even hunters where these 164 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of vests so they can be visible in the 165 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: forest and you know, keep from shooting each other and 166 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: be obviously not creatures of the woods unless you're Dick Cheney. 167 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: That apparently does not read for Dick. Oh boy, Uh 168 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: too soon? No, I don't think that's too soon. That's 169 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: that that's the too that's a it's that it's not 170 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: a sasquatch related But it's a great example of how 171 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: easily accidents can happen while hunting. Hunting, especially if you 172 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: know you're mistaken for um, a potentially dangerous predator or 173 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the target of your hunt. Right because people genuinely believe 174 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: that this creature, while elusive, does exist somewhere, right and 175 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: they want to Everybody who believes it wants to be 176 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: the first person to find it. You just can you 177 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: kill it. You think you shoot it with a dart 178 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, that's that's the thing, because when we 179 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: discover new animals or rediscover animals are previously thought to 180 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: be extinct, it's a real tragedy to find out that 181 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: they were still alive. When you've killed one, right, or 182 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: you've killed the last one of two or three, there's 183 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: there's another reason here. I know this sounds like maybe 184 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: they were being overprotect div of Chewbacca. Even in though 185 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: it's an understandable thing to have this have this detail, 186 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: something else happened in nineteen seven in Humboldt County that 187 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: both fueled the search for this cryptid and I think 188 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: added some credibility to the fear that Chewbaca might be attacked. 189 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: And that is a film. Are you talking about the 190 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: famous Patterson Gimblin film. Yep, the famous Patterson Gimlin film 191 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: which was shot in nineteen sixty seven alongside Bluff Creek 192 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: that's about twenty five miles northwest of Orleans, California, in 193 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: Humboldt County. And this film which is named after the 194 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: the guys who shot at Roger Patterson and Robert Bob Gimlin. 195 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: This film is so iconic that if you are a 196 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: died in the world true believer of Bigfoot or you're 197 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: an absolute skeptic. Uh. Either way, no matter how you 198 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: feel about the allegations of this of this gigantic creature existing, 199 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: you have seen this footage. You can go on YouTube 200 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: and see countless professional documentaries, countless TV shows, and countless 201 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: image war documentaries attempting to analyze this. What a little 202 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: less than one minute of footage of this large, hairy 203 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: looking thing walking. Yeah, I mean you see it from behind, 204 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: and um it it it looks good. Although at the 205 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: same time it's sort of like, you know, when was 206 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: this uh sixty seven sixty seven? I mean, you know 207 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: the Chewbacca costume. It looks a lot like the Chewbacca 208 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: costume from behind. At it absolutely does, because the big 209 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: differentiation is the big differentiations between the appearance of Chewbaca 210 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: and the appearance of this creature in this film are 211 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: only discernible from a closer distance. Sure, And my question 212 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: for you, Ben is like, what's the backstory behind this film? 213 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Like how what gives it weight? Like why? Why are 214 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: why are people still kind of thinking that this These 215 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: people had no reason to like fake it. We can, Yeah, 216 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: we can look at a little bit into the origin 217 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: of that film itself. So Patterson read an article about 218 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Bigfoot in a magazine in nineteen fifty nine, magazine called 219 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: True Magazine, and then he visited Bluff Creek in nineteen 220 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: sixty two. So several years before they filmed, they caught 221 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: this film or made this film. So he was he 222 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: was already kind of in search of Sasquatch. Yeah, a 223 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: little bit like the Tenacious Design. Yeah. According to author 224 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: Mary in Place, when Patterson arrived at Bluff Creek, he 225 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: talked to tons of people who believed in Bigfoot and said, hey, 226 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: it's out here. Not only is it out here, I 227 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: can show you some stuff about it. I can show 228 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: you some evidence. And so in nineteen sixty four he 229 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: returned and he met a guy named Graves who drove 230 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: him to Layered Meadows and that's where, according to this story, uh, 231 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: he saw fresh tracks, fresh big Foot tracks, and he 232 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: thought it would be an amazing scientific breakthrough if he 233 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: could obtain evidence that these were not hoaxes but the 234 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: mark of an unknown human like creature. Interesting. I think 235 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: for me it would be a lot more believable if 236 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: it just happened to be some rando out in the 237 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: woods with his camera that caught the thing, you know, 238 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: right like out of candidly. Yeah, and they're they're filming 239 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: their kid, making us sad, and then it pands to 240 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: the left. I'd buy that much more than this guy 241 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: who has sort of had a result. He was after 242 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: um and a reason to want to be the guy, 243 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, here here's the thing. Uh. He was 244 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: constantly ridiculed for this search, and he was always running 245 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: short on money. He founded this thing called the Northwest 246 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Research Foundation and used that to get fund for these 247 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: big foot searches, and he conducted several expeditions, but he 248 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: also had a financial motivation, it's probably the best way 249 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: to put it. In sixty six he published a paperback 250 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: about the search, and he added the income from that 251 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: to the income from his lectures. I ostensibly too just 252 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: too fund further searches. But that's a tough call to make. 253 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: But you know what, been this area is just lousy 254 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: with these kinds of reports in general, this humble area 255 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: and the Northern California region in general, Big old state 256 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: California and totally different like ecosystem and environment in northern California, 257 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: whereas in southern California everything is a lot more arid 258 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: and desert like up there is much more lush and 259 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: green and these huge, huge trees the redwood forests. UM. 260 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: I actually found then a report uh dating back the 261 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: earliest one that I could find, from January two of 262 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: eighteen eighties six UM from Del Norte Record, and a 263 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: corresponded from that publication wrote this from Happy Camp, sisky 264 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: You County again on January. Here's what it says. I 265 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: do not remember to have seen any reference to the 266 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: wild man which haunts this part of the country, so 267 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: I shall allude to him briefly, not a great while, 268 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: since Mr Jack Dover, one of our most trustworthy citizens, 269 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: while hunting, saw an object standing one hundred and fifty 270 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: yards from him, picking berries or tender shoots from the bushes. 271 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: This thing was of gigantic size, about seven feet high, 272 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: with a bulldog head, short ears, and long hair. It 273 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: was also furnished with a beard, and was free from 274 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: hair on such parts of its body as is common 275 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: among men. Its voice was shrill or soprano, and very human, 276 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: like that of a woman. In great fear. Mr Dover 277 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: could not see its footprints as it walks on hard soil. 278 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: He aimed his gun at the animal or whatever it is, 279 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: several times, but because it was so human, he would 280 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: not shoot. Eight six And that's those are That's just 281 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: the first published report we could find. Well, let's go 282 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: back even further. Then, let's talk about the origins of 283 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: this creature, the origin and lore. The strange thing about Bigfoot, 284 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: which is, at at base a gigantic humanlike primate, right. 285 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: The strange thing about it is that reports of creatures 286 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: like these date back into the ancient empires and ages 287 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: of myth and legend. Sometimes you will see reports of 288 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: a quote unquote wild man, right, that that true? Or 289 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: that wild man of Borneo for example, Sure yeah, or 290 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: something called that the hairy man. Folklore experts like Joseph 291 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: Campbell see this wild Man in the woods legend as 292 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: a has come from a couple of different places. One 293 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: of the most interesting, if not the most plausible ideas, 294 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: is that it's some sort of orally transmitted memory of 295 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: an encounter with the largest known primate, the extinct gigant Epithecus, 296 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: which was ten feet tall and may emphasis on may 297 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: here may have interacted with early Homo sapiens like in 298 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: the jungle Book. Yeah, like in the Jungle Book. A 299 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: spoiler alert for the Newest Jungle I'm kidding, but the 300 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: one depicted in that live action slashd g I Jungle 301 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: Book is like a giant orangutan looking creature, but it 302 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: is that extinct gigantopithecus that would have been native to 303 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: that part of the country. Yeah, and Asia and India 304 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: yea and fun fact with the Gigantopathecus, at least in 305 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: the Jungle Book, this is not too much of a 306 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: spoiler for the show. In the live action Jungle Book, 307 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: the Gigantopathecus King Louis is played by Christopher Walkin, who 308 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: is going just full walking on that he is. He 309 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: is nuts. He has taken a walk again for some reason. 310 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: It's from Brooklyn and and he he sings the King 311 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: Louis song but in a really weird like spoken words. 312 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin is one of those like just beloved actors 313 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: that can only do Christopher Walkin right. Yeah, maybe you 314 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: might disagree, but I kind of feel like it works 315 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: and it's great. But he's sort of like a Jeff Goldbloom, 316 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, Well, here's a here's a or anal pacino, 317 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: here's a hot take. I want to see what you 318 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: think of this. This is entirely I guess this is 319 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: sort of related because Peter Mayhew's an actor. Anyway, just 320 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: humor me, tell me what you think about this. So, 321 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: one of the great differences between, uh, the lauded actors 322 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: in the States and the lauded actors in Europe is 323 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: that in the case of European actors, the A list 324 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: or is the top notch actors are praised for their 325 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: abilities to be chameleons, largely praised for their ability to 326 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: become another person to slip into a role, whereas in 327 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: the States, a lot of top notch A list actors 328 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: are praised for their ability to constantly be unapologetically themselves. 329 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: And it's it's weird because it doesn't I'm not at 330 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: all saying that one is better than the other, nor 331 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: am I saying that these people aren't amazing actors. It's 332 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: just a very strange interpretation. Now. It's true, is over 333 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: here what we call those character actors, they almost get 334 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: like a like a demotion kind of you know, yeah, 335 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: like you're that kind of leading man you're a character actor. 336 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: You're always the cop. You're always the angry dad who's 337 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: almost had it. You know. Oh, I guess when I 338 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: say character actor, I mean I'm What I'm saying is 339 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: they are more chameleonic, but the leading men are less so. 340 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Right like al Pacino in Devil's Advocate and al Pacino 341 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Incent of a Woman. A lot of people would tell you, 342 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: and I loved Devil's Advocate, a lot of people will 343 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: tell you that they're always the same, They're roughly the 344 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: same mannerisms or something, you know, even though I believe 345 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: Incent of a Woman al Pacino plays a blind character. 346 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, al Pacino not tall enough to 347 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: play big Foot? My friend? Not tall enough? Yeah yeah, 348 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: circle back, not tall enough to play big Foot. Gigant 349 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: Epithecus though in a larger sense, Uh no pun intended, 350 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: but I guess I'll allow it was close enough to 351 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: be like our guy. For this, we're trying to find 352 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: a suspect for historical Bigfoot because Gigantopithecus Blackie was thought 353 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: to be closely related to early hominins, especially Australopithecus, and 354 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: this was based on Moelar evidence. So the thing like teeth. Like. 355 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: The thing about trying to figure out whether gigant Epipthecus 356 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: was the origin of the sasquatch or Harry and myths 357 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: is that when you look at it, as as we 358 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: established earlier, look at depictions of this thing, it doesn't 359 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: look like a sasquatch the way they are described from 360 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: the century on. It looks like a giant orangutan. And 361 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: it's got the big face flaps that are I'm going 362 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: to say, a big enough differentiator, Like its head is 363 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: bigger than a sasquatch. His head would be Yeah, it's 364 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: and its neck looks like like testicles or something. It's 365 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: got like a wattle almost. Yeah. It was also probably 366 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: not super fast. Oh I can't imagine, and and and 367 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and unlike the depiction in the Jungle Book, it probably 368 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: didn't smash things and swing on trees, nor did it 369 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: have a strong New York accent. Yeah, no, it's true. 370 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You know, one beef that bigfoot 371 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: skeptics have is like, where's the evidence. Give me some bones, 372 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: give me a body, show me the body, right, show 373 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: me fecal matter, some testing site. Yeah, but with Gigantopithecus, 374 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: you know, there is evidence you could even find some 375 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: of these there. There were plentiful enough that you could 376 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: find jaw bones and teeth um in like curio or 377 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: apothecary shops um in places like Vietnam and India where 378 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: these creatures were indigenous. So for traditional medicine, then one 379 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: would imagine, right, that would be the use. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 380 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know, these things would have 381 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: been ten ft tall and weighed more than twelve hundred pounds, 382 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: so totally in line with the type of stature we're 383 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: talking about for uh, these wild men, these harrymen, these 384 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: these sasquatches. And the thing is they're not just limited 385 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: to you know, North America or northern California. They're all 386 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: over the world. Sure, sure, they're in Siberia they're called there. 387 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: The Australians would call it the Yawi, which I think 388 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: is a name. You may hear it called the year. 389 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: And in China we mentioned the Yeti earlier. There are 390 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: different uaetti is the snow one, yeah, abominable snow, right, 391 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: there are different There are different cases of alleged physical 392 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: artifacts being discovered or being held, such as the Pengboche hand. 393 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: There was an alleged YETI scalp that was supposed to 394 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: be around, but I think was later disproven through testing. 395 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: And this is, uh, this is a really controversial thing 396 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: because for some biologists, the search for cryptids, which is 397 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: an umbrella term describing any animal that has been alleged 398 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: to exist but has been not proven to exist or 399 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: has been officially considered extinct and then you know, people 400 00:25:53,160 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: think it may be rediscovered. Cryptozoologists are considered largely sauda 401 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: non grata in the yeah pseudo science in the academic world, 402 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: because other scientists will say that these folks have already 403 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: decided something exists, and they're not practicing critical thinking, your 404 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: scientific method. They're just trying to prove that what they 405 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: came in believing was correct confirmation bias exactly. And like 406 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: our pal who made the film, like I would, I 407 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: would find that evidence quote unquote much more believable if 408 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: it if it wasn't somebody who already was looking to 409 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: find something and then did this. And until his death 410 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: he maintained that he understood why people could think it 411 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: was weird, but he was not hoaxing anyone, and he 412 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: will he wouldn't deny that what he saw was legitimate, 413 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: But then that also raises the possibility that perhaps he 414 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: was hoaxed, which is maybe someone was trolling him or 415 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: sasquatching him. Yeah. Oh, maybe we could use as a 416 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: new verb to get sasquatched, like it just squatched him? 417 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: About that? Squatched is good? Squatch out? Yeah it alright, 418 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: let's incorporated into the ridiculous history lexicon. Yeah, let's put 419 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: it into our burgeoning encyclopedia. And we have Son of 420 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: a Fish, we have Ship Show, and now we have 421 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: you just got squatched? Yeah, yeah, I think we have 422 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: a few other ones to but recommend your favorite slaying 423 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: to us. We do want to point out again we 424 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: know how ridiculous this, this fear may have seen for 425 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Peter Mayhew uh and for the filmmakers, but even as 426 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: recently as fourteen, of the US population, one out of 427 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: five people believe in Bigfoot or something like it. That was. 428 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that like as many people as believe in the 429 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: Big Bang theory? Yes? Yeah, not the show that the 430 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: scientific concept. I believe in the Big Bang believe So 431 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: good Sheldon, it's got heart, young Sheldon. Not good? Is 432 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: that a spin off? Yeah? What young Sheldon? I remember 433 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: see the just the thumbnail for that and thinking, wow, 434 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: I have drifted far from the Sene demographic. He's just 435 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: such a smarmy little little kid. He just thinks he 436 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: thinks he knows it all. You know. It's one of 437 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: those those shows about like the genius kid who gets 438 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: to go to high school and he's like, you know, 439 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: ten or something. Everyone hates him, insist wearing the boats ie. 440 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: I digress. The kid that that plays him is also 441 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: in that show Big Little Liars, which is awesome. By 442 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: the way, that's a great show. If you haven't checked 443 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: that out, but I don't know, you're right, then there 444 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: was legitimate fear for this quite large tall man wearing 445 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: this here suit costume. Yes, yeah, and on another show 446 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: we've done. If you want to learn more about big Foot, 447 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: you can hear our full interview with the founder and 448 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: curator of Expedition Bigfoot one of the Kim Museum in 449 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: up near La j Georgia. It's so cool, David Baraka. Yeah, 450 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's like something you'd see an Epcot Center 451 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Universe in the nineties, or it's really really neat and 452 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: the guy's a super cool guy and leaves this stuff 453 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: with all his heart, and you can. In the interview, 454 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: hear Us ask him some of the some of the 455 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: same questions that always come up, the tough ones. The 456 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: question number one numero uno is you know where where 457 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: the bones, where, the feces, where the nesting sites? And 458 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: how how much of arrange would a creature this size 459 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: have to have? How much of food would it have 460 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: to eat to sustain itself, let alone to sustain and 461 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: feed a juvenile version right if it reproduces. At this point, 462 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: there is no universally accepted proof that something like Bigfoot 463 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: currently exists, nor is there proof that something like it 464 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: existed in the recent past. The closest the closest known 465 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: thing would be maybe misidentification of large extant primates like 466 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: guerrillas or orangutans or uh the gigantapipthecus. Maybe maybe maybe 467 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: way back in the day, but then again still very speculative. 468 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: One thing is for sure, though, if someone who was 469 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: a sasquatch hunter was out there in Uh, the area 470 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: that is Uh sometimes called the Bigfoot capital of the world, 471 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: and they saw Peter Mayhew Chewbacca, Everyone's favorite Wookie, strolling 472 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: through the woods by himself. They would probably have freaked out. 473 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: They definitely would have tried to film him, harass him. 474 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: I like to think they wouldn't have shot the guy. 475 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: You don't think they would have noticed all the camera 476 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 1: crews and extras and e walks and confirmation bias though, Man, 477 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: I guess you're right. Maybe they would. Uh. And we 478 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: don't want to get too far, too far down the 479 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: big Foot rabbit hole. But but it is interesting. I 480 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: wonder if there are other situations like that where in 481 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: the course of making a film the filmmakers had to 482 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: take extra precautions or maybe even do extra cultural things 483 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: because of the values of Moory's of the place in 484 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: which they were filming. Yeah, oh, I have no doubt. Yeah, Apocalypse, 485 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: Now there's got to be something with that. Oh yeah, 486 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: But I mean that was a notoriously perilla kind of shoot, 487 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: you know. And the thing I've noticed too, like they 488 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, it's like they call it Yalli Wood 489 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: because they shoot a whole lot of movies here. Um, 490 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: and people I know that work in the film industry 491 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: sometimes they bulldoze a little bit. You know, if they're 492 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: gonna like shoot on your street, you don't really care 493 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: about disrupting your routine. Let's post a little bill and 494 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: so you know it's coming. But it's like, Okay, I 495 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: guess this is my life for the next week or two. 496 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: Did you ever get this shakedown? But if someone's filming 497 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: on your street they say no through trapp trap, you 498 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: tell them that you live I live here, I'm walking here. 499 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: But here's the thing too, this, like I said, this, 500 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: this story about Mayhew and the the the anti big 501 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: the big Foot determined uh detail UM has kind of 502 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: found its place in UH Star Wars fan culture as 503 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: kind of a bit of a of an urban legend. 504 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: But Mayhew himself was asked this in an A M 505 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: A on Reddit in UH and he did confirm this 506 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: is true. He said, yes, that is absolutely true. UM. 507 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: But then some intrepid Star Wars fans did a little 508 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: digging and kind of got clarification that he was really 509 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: more warned by UM production folks not to walk off 510 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: the set in costume for fear that he might get 511 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: shot by hunters UM and they reminded him remember this 512 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: is Bigfoot country, so you know, memory, it's a funny thing. 513 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: The story is kind of true as a seed of 514 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: truth but but, but this idea of of dudes and 515 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: and you know, brightly colored vests there specifically to protect 516 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: this one actor in this costume, a little a little 517 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: bit of an exagg Yeah. And the thing is that 518 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: if you would, if you would like to become a 519 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: sasquatch hunter or search for them, you are absolutely free 520 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: to do. So I'm gonna go ahead and call it. No, 521 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anyone's gonna find anything. 522 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: But it's such a cool excuse to get out into 523 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: some of the most beautiful wilderness in this country. Absolutely 524 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: in the Redwoods are gorgeous. I've actually never kind. I've 525 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: been to San Francisco, but I have not gotten to 526 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: go quite that far up north. But I think I 527 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: will be relatively soon going up to Washington State and 528 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: Oregon for the first time you've been. You haven't been 529 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: to Oregon before. Oh, you're gonna love it. It's beautiful. 530 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Excited what part are you going? Going to Portland? But 531 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: then also up like we're taking a road trip. So 532 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: awesome for a secret project, right right, right, Well, we 533 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: are almost out of time today, but we would be 534 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't mention some other fantastic and fascinating 535 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: things we learned about Chewbacca. One of my favorites UM 536 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: is actually this comic book, uh that depicts a crash 537 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: landing that happens UM with Han Solo and Chewbacco and 538 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: the Lilliam Falcon and they go through some kind of 539 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: like wormhole of some kind and end up in the 540 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: past uh in like this part of the country that 541 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about, right, and they are being chased by 542 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: Native Americans who are firing arrows at Han Solo and Chewbacca, 543 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: and Han Solo ends up keep getting killed in this 544 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: particular kind of non cannon Star Wars story. It comes 545 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: from a collection of Star Wars short comics called to 546 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: Think of Star Wars Tales. I believe that's right. And 547 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: of course, you know, Chewbacca mourns his friend with his 548 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: famous yowl, his plates of whales sorrow. Yeah, and Um 549 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: kind of goes off into the wilderness alone. It's actually 550 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: quite sad, uh. And then the comic cuts to a 551 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: couple hundred years in the future and Indiana Jones shows 552 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: up with his Um now fully grown um sidekick Short 553 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: round from Temple of Doom in search of Sasquatch. And 554 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: it turns out that said that Chewbacca is Sasquatch. I 555 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: just like that alternate reality kind of like a treatment 556 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: there DCS else World series or Marvel's um oh, I 557 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: can't remember what they called him Marvel. Other Chewbacca facts. 558 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: The character was inspired by George Lucas's dog, a big 559 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: Alaska Mala mute and named Indiana, named Indian. Named the 560 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: Dogana exactly and then and and it wasn't the other 561 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: way around. Indiana. Jones was inspired by the dog. The 562 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: name yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh. The name Chewbacca is 563 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: derived from the Russian word for dog, So there's a 564 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: very clear relationship there, and and and uh for anyone 565 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: who's thinking about some of the chron leogy of that 566 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: alternative world comic book, uh no. Summarized bookies are very 567 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: long lived in comparison to humans. At the time Star 568 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: Wars is set, Chewbacca is about two hundred years old. 569 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: He looks great, he looks fantastic. He must be using 570 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: herbal essences or one of the fancy shampoos, maybe for hims. 571 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he's using for him keeps him virile. And 572 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: he was quite virile because in the much maligned Star 573 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: Wars Holiday special with that which I'm not even sure 574 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: is considered canon. Lucas hated it so much. Um, you 575 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: are introduced to Chewbacca's family, right, Yeah, you meet his 576 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: You meet three members of his family, his father Itchy, 577 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: his wife Mala, and his son. I think this is 578 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: your favorite one, Knowle. He's a lumpy lumpy. Uh. These 579 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: names are later you later told these are just nicknames, nicknames, right, 580 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: they're much longer proper Wookie names. And this is on 581 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: his home planet of Yeah, the dad is at a 582 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: chip Cuck. Very well done. It's probably terrible. Man. We 583 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: don't speak Wookie, we don't. You know. It's fine that 584 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: we do our best, our level best, to our level 585 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: sincere best, whether it's hunting big Foot or protecting people 586 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: from bigfoot hunters. Right, and we are off. We hope 587 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode at least as much as we 588 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: enjoyed researching. You know what. I enjoyed this one very much. Yeah, 589 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm glad to say there's never been 590 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: one that I thought was a track. Yeah, no, seriously, 591 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: But there's also a fun crossover between some of the 592 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: stuff we talked about on our other shows, stuff they 593 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: don't want you to know, where we take a critical 594 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: thinking approach to conspiracy theories like this one. Yes, and 595 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: stay tuned next week when we were going to do 596 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: something completely different exploring the bizarre story of Santa Anna 597 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: and a funeral that hel looking forward to that one too. 598 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: We're having a hard time not telling you right now. 599 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: I know these we we want to tease but not spoil. Yeah, 600 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: So please join us for our next episode in the meantime, 601 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: massive thanks to our guest super producer Paul Decant, Thanks 602 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: as always to Casey Pegram, thanks to Alex Williams who 603 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: composed our opening music, and of huge thanks to Christopher 604 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: hasiotis Um who has been doing amazing We're collaborating with 605 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: us on research for these episodes. So our episode falls 606 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: to a close, but you don't have to say goodbye 607 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: just yet. You can find us on our Facebook community page, 608 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. We are pushing it hard because it is 609 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And the thing is about Facebook, 610 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: as you know, you know, if you have to take 611 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: a regular Facebook page, the reaches you just don't know 612 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: what what you're gonna get if you if you might 613 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: like the page. You might not see it. Most of 614 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: the cool stuff that I look at on Facebook are 615 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: like meme groups and Facebook pages like that, and that's 616 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: how you know you're gonna get the goods and the 617 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: folks on Ridiculous Historians are a lot of fun. There's 618 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fun history memes and just cool articles 619 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: and discussion and you know, pictures of of me and 620 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: Ben doing weird stuff. And of course we have fantastic 621 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: moderators there who really make the page what it is. 622 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: We want you to be a part of it. There's 623 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: some there's some very interesting threads and uh, I hang 624 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: out there. Noel hangs out there. We even cajoled our 625 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: recurring arch nemesis, Jonathan Strickland the Quister, to post a 626 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: picture of himself as a child. 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