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Speaker 1: welcome back to their Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnuk.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by Michael Bamberger and Matt Janella, who's

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Speaker 1: Trevor Immelman just held court and uh talked, you know,

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Speaker 1: legend grow. He's done that his entire life, and this

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Speaker 1: would be incredibly fitting. It also would give him eighty three.

427
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Speaker 1: He he you know, he'd bump Sampson head off that list.

428
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, he already has. But you know if technically,

429
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Speaker 1: if you look at the list, they're both tied to

430
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Speaker 1: eighty two, and it would be really really fitting. And

431
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Speaker 1: I think those things do factor in to Tiger's mindset

432
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: in ways that are you know, don't lend themselves to

433
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: actual real analysis, except for it shows up at the end.

434
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Speaker 1: I love Jack saying your career is not complete unless

435
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Speaker 1: you went and open at Saint Andrew's, which is kind

436
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: of a dickiest thing to say, because he's he's you know,

437
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: taken out Watson, he's taken out Palmer, He's taken he's

438
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: taken out a lot of these guys who had all

439
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: of fame careers who had five career doesn't matter because

440
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: he hasn't one of the old. Yeah, he's devaluing Phil.

441
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Speaker 1: I mean it's easy to say it when you got one,

442
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Speaker 1: but you know it's it's kind of funny. But there

443
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: is that element and you know that. I mean, it

444
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: is the It is the holiest of the holy if

445
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: you can win here. And how much would Tiger love

446
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to deny all these guys deny a Rory, deny jt

447
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: to deny Speed, Like there's an element of I have

448
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Speaker 1: something that you don't have, and I don't want to

449
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Speaker 1: share it. And I think that's a factor too. I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: Tigers just love to win. He loves to beat guys.

451
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Speaker 1: He likes he likes to like take their manhood and

452
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: this is this would be the ultimate flex. I mean,

453
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Speaker 1: so anyway, that's a factor. I think it's really a

454
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Speaker 1: nutty comment. Now, Nicholas, I'm sure you know that's all.

455
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Speaker 1: Nicholas got it from Jones, and Nicholas gave it to Tiger.

456
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Speaker 1: And of course it's easy for Tiger to talk about

457
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Speaker 1: it now because he's got to him and big jacket

458
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: to him. But it is another little thing like winning

459
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Speaker 1: a green jacket for the first time. As Molinari and

460
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: Tony Finou and all those other guys found out, it

461
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: is a lot harder to win a green jack for

462
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Speaker 1: a green jacket for the first time than it is

463
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Speaker 1: for the fifth time. That's what we found in twenty nineteen.

464
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Speaker 1: And it's a lot harder to win your first Open

465
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Speaker 1: championship at an old course and it is a third time.

466
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Speaker 1: So down this stretch it's another little psychological I mean,

467
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Speaker 1: it's been so long since we've really thought about Tiger

468
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Speaker 1: that way. Tiger the mind game player. But Tiger plays

469
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Speaker 1: mind games like nobody's business. Chiefly goes he's so much

470
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Speaker 1: better than everybody else where he was, you know, in

471
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Speaker 1: his long heyday. But also because to the kind of

472
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about, I already got mine. You

473
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: think you're ever gonna yours? Probably not, And so I

474
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Speaker 1: think I think there's something to all that where you're saying, O, yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: that's great stuff. Well, we could go on down the

476
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Speaker 1: list of contenders, but our heart's not in it like that.

477
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Speaker 1: That's for lesser podcast. We're just here to celebrate the course,

478
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Speaker 1: the tournament, capture the essence of it all. I think

479
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Speaker 1: we've done that. Do you guys have any any final

480
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: thoughts before we get we light the candle on on

481
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: this open well. I mean, I'm staying at the Rusicks Hotel.

482
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out in the new revamped deck overlooking this

483
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: incredible venue. It's like the giant aquarium in which you're

484
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: just sitting there watching the world go by, and players

485
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Speaker 1: play these shots and hit these puts to the eighteenth

486
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Speaker 1: green and chip around this. Then we went up to

487
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Speaker 1: the top of the rooftop at the Hamilton Hall, and

488
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: now we're down here at the jigger in I mean

489
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Speaker 1: you you are. You can't take four steps without bumping

490
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: into these little slices of why all of this is

491
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Speaker 1: so special, Why Saint Andrew's and the Old Course is

492
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: the greatest venue in golf. Why when people ask me, oh,

493
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Speaker 1: Scotland or Ireland, and I say, look, you got to

494
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Speaker 1: do both. But if you only have to pick one,

495
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: check the box of Saint Andrew's, Bandon or Saint Andrew's

496
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Speaker 1: Like I love man, I named my son Bandon. But

497
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Speaker 1: you go to Saint Andrew's and you walk around this town,

498
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: you queue up and you in that box like you

499
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: and I did Alan in the nineties. You get on

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Speaker 1: that list, you get this round of golf under your belt,

501
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: you experience what this is, what this is, and then

502
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: you come back at a time like this and you

503
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: just let it all shower all over you, like we

504
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: are all doing for the next few days, experiencing just

505
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: the greatest game, the greatest venue. The people you meet

506
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: in this game, they're all here right now, bumping into

507
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: them every five feet. I'm just grateful. I'm really appreciative

508
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: and grateful that whatever I've chosen as my career in

509
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: life has led me to this moment right now. And

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Speaker 1: I'm honored to be on with you, guys. I'm honored

511
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: to be able to talk to the game with you guys.

512
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: I missed Jeff Ogilvie. I wish he was on, and

513
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Speaker 1: we're going to here from later in the week. I

514
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Speaker 1: just I'm in. I feel like I were you were

515
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Speaker 1: Michael the other night. I'm literally gonna cry. I mean,

516
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: this is this is the good stuff, and um, I

517
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: can't wait. But Matt, you've buried the lead. What did

518
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Speaker 1: Mulvoy shoot today? Oh, Michael, I shot seventy one and

519
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: seventy two. I had an afternoon round, I chased the

520
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: sun and made seven birdies, missed two putts. And anyway,

521
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: enough about your game, let me telling you about a

522
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: bit more more about my game, the great Mark. Only

523
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Speaker 1: the three of us know how good that is. Uh, well,

524
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: you know that was perfect. That's so good. That was perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I wrote I wrote this for the Firepit

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Speaker 1: Collective dot com. But um, you know, we've all been

527
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Speaker 1: doing this for a long time. And actually, young Dan

528
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Rapford asking me at the US Open, he said, you

529
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: still get excited when you show up for these things,

530
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Speaker 1: you know, meaning the major championships, And I had to

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Speaker 1: think about it. I've still been thinking about it, and

532
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Speaker 1: I get excited on Sunday that the adrenaline of the

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Speaker 1: last round, the energy of writing on deadline, like that's

534
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Speaker 1: what really fires me up. And sometimes, you know, early

535
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Speaker 1: in the week opening round, I gotta, I gotta, I've

536
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Speaker 1: got to get there. But it's a different feeling, like

537
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I want to go to sleep as soon as we

538
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Speaker 1: take this podcast so I can wake up early so

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00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: I can get out there. Like it is really um,

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Speaker 1: like you know, the first it's like Kwanza morning. We're

541
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Speaker 1: just so excited, like to open the presence and um,

542
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's it's absolutely a different feeling, um

543
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Speaker 1: than anywhere else. And Michael's eloquently captured that all week

544
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Speaker 1: in his stories, and um, you just feel it in

545
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Speaker 1: the air. I mean though the players are excited, the

546
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: fans are excited, the town's on fire. Is this gonna

547
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Speaker 1: be one heck of a week? By the way, did

548
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Speaker 1: you guys see the the two pictures I tweeted out

549
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: where you see in midday where you don't see any

550
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Speaker 1: of the younger elations on the eighteenth fairway, and then

551
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: at twilight afternoon when the shadows are exposing sort of

552
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: like literally the ground looks as though it's risen risen up,

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Speaker 1: you know, two three feet knobs, and it's it's like

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00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: it's almost like it comes to life as the day

555
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: comes to rest. It's it's like the ocean. I always

556
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: say that, like when you know, if you stand on

557
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: the sixteenth tee and that whole often gets overlooked because

558
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: you know your head and the next next up is

559
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: the roadhole everything, but that, to me is one of

560
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: the most amazing fairways in golf. It's just like rolling

561
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: waves and it's not massive dunes and huge undulations. It's subtle,

562
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: but you stand there and you just look at it

563
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's such a special piece of ground. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw that picture, those pictures you posted, Matt. I

565
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: thought it was really cool to how much it does

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Speaker 1: come alive. It would be it would be neat to

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Speaker 1: run those pictures in conjunction with the text of what

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Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie said on our podcast the other day where

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Speaker 1: he introduces the idea of what the old Course is

570
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Speaker 1: and why it's so great. Because when when Jeff so

571
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Speaker 1: those a couple hundred words so us the other day,

572
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: it felt like he'd been waiting his whole life to

573
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Speaker 1: express that, or maybe he has many times before, but

574
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: he absolutely captured the essence of it, including talking about

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Speaker 1: playing it just as a you know, a regular Joe golfer,

576
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Speaker 1: you know, a highly skilled one, but celebrated Joe golfer,

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, rolling up to the starter set to try

578
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Speaker 1: to get a tea time with his dad and then

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Speaker 1: you know, later having a tea time in a British open,

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Speaker 1: which of course is part of the huge magic of

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. Unlike Augusta National is that literally hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of people around the world, we'll have had

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Speaker 1: the experience of having played the old course and watching

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Speaker 1: it in person or on TV, and having you know,

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Speaker 1: a really deep understanding of what it is to try

586
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Speaker 1: to do this, try to win this thing, or just

587
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Speaker 1: actually play in the thing for four rounds. Uh. You know,

588
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: there are goals and goals. You know, we're so we

589
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: emphasize the winner so much, but just to get in

590
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: the field is such a journey. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: a whole separate podcast or a whole separate series devoted

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Speaker 1: to that idea, but just the dream. There are so

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Speaker 1: many players in this field who have almost no chance

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Speaker 1: of making a cup, but they got some chance. But

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00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: just getting in the field itself is such an accomplishment

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00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: one that they will literally help hold onto for the

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Speaker 1: rest of their lives. So there are layers and layers

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Speaker 1: and layers of the thing. And if I could just

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Speaker 1: follow up to your point about you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: very thoughtful question on from from Dan Rapp report to

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Speaker 1: two and a very thoughtful answer. And for me it's different,

602
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Speaker 1: like because what I see is, you know, we've all

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Speaker 1: read a lot of golf history and we've covered a

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Speaker 1: lot of golf, and the game is going to go

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Speaker 1: on way after after we're gone, and it's just neat

606
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Speaker 1: to know that there's a bunch of names in the field,

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00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: names that we don't even know. And some of those

608
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: players will turn into Justin not many, but one or

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00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: two of them will turn into Justin Thomas and Wills alators.

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Speaker 1: And there will be fans like Rory McElroy was, you know,

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00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: twenty plus years ago, who will emerge from out of

612
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the gallery rope. Someday they'll be in the in the

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: field themselves, and they'll try and they'll be trying to

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Speaker 1: make a cut and trying to contend and trying to win,

615
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: and the game just carries on and on and on,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's unlike, you know, maybe Jack Willis

617
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Speaker 1: will be back here, but probably probably won't, and there

618
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: will never be another Jack Nicholas. But then Lee Travina

619
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Speaker 1: will rise to the you know, golf's elder statesman. He's well,

620
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: excuse me, there at the same age. That's not a

621
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Speaker 1: good example. But Tom Watson and you know, various others,

622
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Speaker 1: and then another generation and then before you know it,

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Speaker 1: Tiger will be there, and you know, and then Tiger

624
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: will be gone and then Royal will be there. And

625
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: this whole path of life that is golf and golf

626
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: triggers so much in all of us in so many

627
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: different ways. That's part of what we're doing here. And

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Speaker 1: uh so it's neat to be on the eve of it,

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Speaker 1: and uh and it's neat to know in five or

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Speaker 1: six or seven years, you know, some group will come

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Speaker 1: back and do this all again. It be you know,

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Speaker 1: slightly different, but basically the same. Your essay on the

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Speaker 1: eve of the Open, which is now Firepit Collective dot com,

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Speaker 1: including all the stuff that you've already written and some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff you know that will that we've already

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Speaker 1: produced leading up to this week is all there. And

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I just want to thank our sponsors. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: makes incredible leather goods. I think we just have to

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Speaker 1: allow us to have these opportunities. MasterCard. I'm here with

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Speaker 1: them now because they funded and supported our opportunity to

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Speaker 1: tell those stories we told when we rolled into Saint

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Speaker 1: Andrews in February, and I mean, you know, and again

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Speaker 1: the Rustick's Hotel for supporting us and being able to

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Speaker 1: give us a place to stay for this week. So

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Speaker 1: I just guy, I feel like, you know, thank you

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Speaker 1: to the people who allow us to do what we do,

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Speaker 1: which just tell stories fully endorsed that. Um. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: we're all very lucky to be here, and I know

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Speaker 1: that none of us take it for granted, and it

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Speaker 1: is it is a special part of our life. So

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Speaker 1: a shout out to our colleague Colt, who, poor bastard

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Speaker 1: miss your, Colt, and hope you're feeling better. No one

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Speaker 1: is more bumped out than cold. The guy is like

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Speaker 1: he's talking about a thoroughbread they got. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: like the thoroughbread when they when they, when they when

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Speaker 1: the bell goes off and the gates fly open, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes the gates don't fly open. He's the horse that's

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Speaker 1: been left back in the gate. The gate didn't open

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Speaker 1: for that thoroughbread. He's waiting for his chance to run. Run,

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Speaker 1: Colt run, Yeah, I know, it's a bad beat, Well

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Speaker 1: we'll sold your on in his honor. So this is

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Speaker 1: a fun conversation. I love your guys as a spirit

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Speaker 1: on all this and thanks to all listeners out there.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be back at it pretty much

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Speaker 1: every day now for the rest of this week, maybe

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Speaker 1: some surprise guests if we can make that happen. So

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Speaker 1: this has been another fire Drill podcast. I'm Alan Schipnak.

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Speaker 1: That was Michael Bamberger and Matt Janella. Thanks for tuning

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Speaker 1: in and we'll do it again soon. Put another log

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Speaker 1: on the fire nobody hears. Get the time