1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Is President Joe Biden trying to lead US into World 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: War three before he leads his office. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: That's what a lot of people are saying right now. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: They worried about this escalation between Ukraine and Russia because 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: for the first time, President Biden authorized Ukraine to use 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: US given long range missiles to drake inside of Russia. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 3: So what does this. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: Mean and why now? 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: And what kind of situation does this put the incoming 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: president elect Donald Trump. We know that Donald Trump has 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: called for peace. He said that he's going to make 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: peace between Ukraine and Russia. We know that the Biden 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: administration doesn't seem to want peace. So where are we 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: now and where. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Is this all heading. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Rebecca Kofler on the show. She's a 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: former Defense Intelligence Agency officer. She's also the author of 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Putin's Playbook. She has briefed the Pentagon, the White House, 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: in NATO. 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: All on Russia. 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: So we're going to get her take on all of 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: this and where stand and everything you should know. But 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: before we do that, the International Fellowship of Christians and 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Jews wishes you a blessed Thanksgiving as you gather with 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: your families, grateful for the blessings that God has given 26 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: us all. But let's also remember those who are facing 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: unbelievable hardship in need of food, fellowship, and hope. That 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: includes a people of Israel who are threatened daily by 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: attacks from enemies and all sides. 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Please consider standing with Israel and the Jewish people. 39 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Go to support IFCJ dot org to make a gift 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: now that support IFCJ dot org or call to give 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: it eight A eight for eight eight I f c J. 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: That's eight eight eight or A eight four three two five. Well, Rebecca, 43 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on the show. But 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: you know we're talking about an escalation here between Ukraine 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: and Russia now that President Joe Biden authorized Ukraine to 46 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: use these US given long range missiles to strike inside 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of Russia. A lot of people are saying, this could 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: lead to World War three. What do you think, you know, 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: could it? What kind of escalation is this? 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: It absolutely could lead to World War three. Look at 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: it this way, Lisa. So, not only Biden gave authorizations, 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 3: Zolenski actually did take up Biden on his offer. And 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: yesterday Ukraine fied six attacks, which is intermediate range omy 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: tactical missile system that we provided to them. The United 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: States did, and they struck the Bryansk region, which sits 56 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: on the intersection of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. They struck 57 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: a military base. Six missiles fortunately were intercepted by Russian 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 3: air defenses, which are one of the most robust in 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: the world. One got through. Fortunately there were no human casualties, 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: otherwise would be in a completely different pickle right now. 61 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: But so whut said that right now? The United States 62 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: have made itself a direct combatant, direct participant in this war. 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: How so, it's because attackers do not fly by themselves, 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: right And even though a Ukrainian soldier technically can push 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: the button, the actual you know, targeting of the weapon 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: absolutely requires US personnel and the US satellite right to 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: make sure that all the programming they c forr command 68 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: and control of the missiles is done properly, to make 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 3: sure the light trajectory is problem, the missile actually gets 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: to the target the way it's supposed to and destroys 71 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: the target, so Ukrainians can't do it. So at this 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 3: point Putin said, this is an act of war and 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: in retali not in retaliation just yet, but as another 74 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: step on the deterrence installation ladder. He approved changes yesterday. 75 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: He did it immediately after the missiles struck. The Russian 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: Territory approved the updates to Russian nuclear doctrine, lowering the threshold, 77 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: which means that Russia is now justified to use nuclear 78 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: weapons not only against Ukraine, but also against Europe or 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: even the United States. Now one needs to treat the 80 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 3: statement in a nuanced way. Doesn't mean that the Russians 81 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: are gonna, you know, launch strikeout of the blue sky 82 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: on US. What that does mean is that Putin is 83 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: now justified if the conflict progresses, and you don't normally 84 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: start with notes, you start with non kinetic stuff like 85 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: cyberspace warfare operations, but by then effectually put US homeland 86 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: input in nuclear cross hairs. And why would it become 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: World War three? It's because Russia no longer fights by itself. 88 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: It engages all of its allies, and they happen to 89 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: be US adversaries. North Koreans who soldiers are now fighting 90 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: in Ukraine as well. Uh Iran would join in, China 91 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 3: would join in a lot of the cruxes of Iran, 92 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: who's et cetera. And so that's the kind of walk 93 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: we would be looking for if Washington wants to go there. 94 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: So we need to pray at this point, Well. 95 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I was reading that this allows Ukraine, as you're pointing out, 96 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: to target positions in the Kursk region where Russia has 97 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: something like fifty thousand troops, including ten thousand North Koreans. 98 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: You just mentioned North Korea as well, So obviously if 99 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: a North Korean soldier were to get killed in this, 100 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: then that would then you know, North Korea would probably 101 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: that would escalate North Korea's involvement. 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: Correct, exactly. 103 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: You know, why why would Joe Biden do this? 104 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: And also you know when we saw him basically wandering 105 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: off into the Amazon rainforest the other day, he stepped 106 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: down from running for reelection clearly because he's not mentally 107 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: with it. So you know, questions are you know who's 108 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: calling the shots? But why would the Biden administration do this? 109 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: Now? 110 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: Beat me? I spent my intelligence career on the Russian target. 111 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: I understand Pudent's mindset is actually acting rationally from the 112 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: Russian standpoint, right from the Admisara standpoint. He's not a madman. 113 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: I for the life of me, I cannot understand why 114 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: Biden did that, And mental illness might be the reason 115 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: that comes to mind, because look at it this way. 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: Remember Biden himself, just a few months ago, he admitted 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: to his donors at the DNC fundraising event in New 118 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: York City that the reason why he was cautious, he 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: was calibrating his approach to Ukraine. He wasn't providing a 120 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: lot of weapons. At the same time, he was kind 121 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: of truck woman because he said he did not want 122 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: to cause World War three. These are his exact words. 123 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: He also said that the threat of nuclear arm again 124 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: when it comes to Russia and Puddin, if we do 125 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: get involved in that war, is real. Those are his words, 126 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he did that, So 127 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: why now he didn't want eighty? Is he intent? Is 128 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: he mentally ill and someone else is calling the shots 129 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: trying to get us into this war? Is he rational 130 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: and deliberately is trying to do this so he can 131 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: extend his presidency by declaring a national emergency if such 132 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: a war, you know, breaks out, to prevent Trump from 133 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: joining the White House again. Because if we look at 134 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: it this way, they've done everything possible to derail the 135 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: Trump's second presidency, right including we've had two assass nation 136 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: attempt So yes, it might sound like a conspiracy theory, 137 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: but the difference sometimes between a conspiracy theory and a 138 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: fact of a couple of months. This is what happened 139 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: with the Hunter Biden lapdom that was supposed to be 140 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: the disinformation according to US by agency officials who wrote 141 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: a letter. Happened with a COVID vaccine that was supposed 142 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: to prevent the spread of COVID. None of it happened, right, 143 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: So I have no idea. It is frightening. The thought 144 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: that someone else is calling the shot is frightening. And 145 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: the thought that a mentally ill commander in chief who 146 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: could have his finger on the nuclear button is equally frightening. 147 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: I don't know which one is more frightening. 148 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: We've got more Rebecca butt first. 149 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: With daylight savings behind us, crime rates tend to rise. 150 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: You've heard us talk about the Saber. 151 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Home defense launchers the ultimate choice for protecting what matters, 152 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: But did you know that Save also offers a full 153 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: line of on the go and pepper sprays, gels and 154 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: stone guns, all backed by Sabers Maximum Strength Guarantee because 155 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: they're the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. 156 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: November is Running Safety months, and even if you only 157 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: run when running late, you likely know someone who's vulnerable 158 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: while out alone, maybe a wife, a daughter, a sister, 159 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: or even a friend. 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That's 168 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: Sabre radio dot com or call eight four four eight 169 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: two for Safe Today. You know, obviously Pun's not a He's. 170 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: A smart man. 171 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: He knows that Donald Trump will be taking office soon, 172 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: that there's a new sheriff in town. 173 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: How is Punin calculating. 174 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: That in as he's sort of figuring out what Russia's 175 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: response will be and and sort of how to map 176 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: out the next few months. You know, how is he 177 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: taking that into account that you know, Trump's taking into office? 178 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: Like why how much is he gonna want to escalate 179 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: before Trump takes over? 180 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: Before Trump takes over? He is going to escalate highly 181 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: because he's goal. He fears Trump, right, Trump is the 182 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 3: only US president whom putn't fears. And I explained to 183 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: read there are five top reasons that I put in 184 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: an opad. This was I think at this point a 185 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. Uh and and one can find 186 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: it on the Federalist by Google going to Rebecca Cobbler 187 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: the Federalist President Trump. So it explains it. But for 188 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: the purposes of this episode of Putin does not want Trump. 189 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: He never wanted Trump to be back at the White 190 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: House because he cannot manipulate him the way that he 191 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: has been able to manipulate for you as President George Bush, 192 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and of course Joe Biden. Trump 193 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: is a different animal. Trump can be putting at his 194 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: own game. So Trump is gonna try to settle this conflict, 195 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: and he's going to try to get the best deal 196 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: because he's a talented negotiator. The reason why Puton doesn't 197 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: want to negotiate. He will, but he doesn't want to 198 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: because the Russian intelligence services have profiled Trump is unpredictable, 199 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 3: which means that Trump, if he bluffs, the Russians are 200 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: not not going to know whether he's bluffing or whether 201 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: he's being genuine, whereas Kamla Harris they provide is incompetent, vapid, 202 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: and an intelligent which means that they could could have 203 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: manipulated her. So at this point is calculating and his 204 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: general staff they they they're obviously frightened where this could 205 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: go because they are uncertain about the mental stability of 206 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 3: President Biden or whether in fact they would have to 207 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: go ahead and use nuclear weapons. Right. They don't want 208 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: to do that because obviously like you said, he's a 209 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: he's a rational person. But at the same time, they 210 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: cannot possibly let either Ukraine or like or either Ukraine 211 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: strike let's say Mosque get close to Moscows and Petersburg. 212 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: So they're wondering where does it go. So they're putting 213 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: scenarios together, packages, targeting packages together for when they would 214 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: be using those nuclear weapons. If it has to happen 215 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: before Trump actually comes, then he's also very cautious. He 216 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: didn't overreact, right, they waited. Actually when the information came 217 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: out about the decision being taken and the authorization given 218 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: to Ukrainians, his press secretary is, well, let's actually see 219 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: if that is true, because they said US newspapers sometimes 220 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: put out disinformation and as an example they gave supposedly 221 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: the Washington Post wrote that Trump and Poody spoke, while 222 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: that never did happened. So the minute those missiles hit, 223 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: Russian soil designed that nuclear doctrine update. So, yes, we're 224 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: in a very very tenure situation. It has the risk 225 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: with the risk of actually escalating all the way into 226 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: the unthinkable. 227 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: How much of this is to get us into a 228 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: situation where Trump it's harder for Trump to make peace. 229 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: That's actually an excellent hypotheses. So if if it's not 230 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: you know, mental illness, it could be the deep state, right, 231 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: because they've done they've done everything to derail his presidency, 232 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: and now they want to derail the peace plan that 233 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: that Trump has has in mind. They don't want peace 234 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: because remember the entire military industrial complex, this has been 235 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: a gravy train for them, the Ukraine war. Right, we 236 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: provided close to two hands almost two hundred billion dollars 237 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: out of US taxpayer's pocket, both in cash and military hardware. 238 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: And so they don't want this grave between to end. 239 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 3: Never mind that one million European men between Russian and Ukrainians, 240 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: are dead. Never mind that fifty percent of Ukrainian critical 241 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: infrastructure is destroyed, which means those poor people they will 242 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: be freezing in the darkness this winter with the people 243 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: who got us into this war by goading you know, Ukraine, 244 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: by inviting them into NATO and making them part, sort 245 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: of taking it away from what Russia always has relied 246 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: on as their strategic security perimeter, and they version of 247 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: the Monroe doctrine. They've decided to go ahead and cross 248 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: that red line that put In stated multiple multiple times 249 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: and got us into this war. And now with the 250 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: prospect of US actually getting into kinetic war and the 251 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: Russians already they stayed in the United States, Pudent is 252 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: now a direct combatant because we have to operate. We 253 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 3: are the ones that are operating these attack comes to 254 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: health irradiance. 255 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Do you think is it possible for Trump to to 256 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: make peace between Ukraine and Russia at this point? 257 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 3: My assessment that it is possible, but it's not going 258 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: to be as easy and he's not going to get 259 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: as good of a deal as he otherwise would have 260 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 3: if Joe Biden didn't mak it up. Why is it 261 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: not going to be as easy? The reason is putin 262 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: never trusted any years leaders to begin with, because regardless 263 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: of whether it's a Democrat or a Republican who sits 264 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: in the White House, the power he has been the same, right. 265 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 3: The policy is to democratize the former Soviet states like Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, 266 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: make some part of Europinnion, the NATO and so so 267 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: from that standpoint, they're always suspicious. But now that there 268 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 3: was that one eighty that Biden did right from you know, 269 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: saying that he doesn't want World War three now is 270 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: willing to get into Putin is not that like he 271 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 3: is going to be very very suspicious because he's not 272 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 3: sure who is in charge in Washington, right that who 273 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: if let's say Trump does sign some sort of deal, 274 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: like you know, you know, undo it or they're not 275 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: going to follow or he to the point put is 276 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: also suspicious, very suspicious, like to the point of like paranoid. 277 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: He might be thinking that Trump is actually in cahoots, 278 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: you know, on this decision. Why am I saying it 279 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: is because Trump pursued the most robust anti Russia policy 280 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: since ron On Reagan. And I'll just give you one example. 281 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: The rest of those things in that article I just 282 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: said and the Federalists. But what Trump did was, in 283 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: addition to standing up space Force, which was a big, 284 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: big deal, the Russians stood up their space force in 285 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: two thousand and one, so that act was aimed at 286 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: neutralizing Russia's space warfare doctrine. But the second thing he 287 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: did was that he authorized the US military develop a 288 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: nuclear tipped sea large CRUs missile similar to with the 289 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: war head with the tactical warhead. Right, That's what the 290 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: Russians had, that's what they're threatening. You know, everyone with 291 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: we did not have that capability. So Trump wanted that. 292 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: Biden came and he nixed that program. And so knows that. 293 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: And that's why Putin is afraid of Trump. So and 294 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: it's not going to be it's not gonna be easy 295 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: to uh to come to the piece deal. Okay, they 296 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: probably would, but if you know, if Trump still wants 297 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: to do that, but it's not going to be as 298 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: good of a deal for Ukraine as it otherwise would have. 299 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: But as once Barack Obama once said, don't ever estimate 300 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's ability to f things up. So here we go. 301 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: You know, I guess where does this war stand today 302 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: compared to where it stood when it started? 303 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: So that's that's an excellent, excellent question. We are, like, 304 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: it's going to be three years in in February, two 305 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: hundred billions in one thousand men dead. Russia still controls 306 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: twenty percent of the territory of Ukraine, and so it's 307 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: more than when it started. The Russians only had Kramea 308 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: when it started. Ukrainian counter offens failed miserably, and it's 309 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 3: not because of the lack of valiance of those men. 310 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 3: Those Ukrainian men are good fighters, but it's in inherently, 311 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: inherently unfair fight. Why is that Ukraine is outmanned and 312 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 3: out gone. There was never military pastor victory for Ukraine 313 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 3: to begin with. Okay, why is that? It's because Ukraine 314 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: has three times fewer people to throw into the meat 315 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: grind that than Russia does. The Russians can fight until 316 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: the last Ukrainian And secondly, from the combat potential standpoint, 317 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: potential is calculated as a combination of weapon systems, military forces, 318 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: military industrial complets, and their capacity to manufacture and scale 319 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: up production and defense economics, Russia just simply overmatches hands down, 320 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 3: tiny Ukraine. Ukraine is no longer like existing on its 321 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: own anymore. We are basically funding them. And so there's 322 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: a reason why the Pentagon itself has designated Russia as 323 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: a Neopia competitor. And yet like somehow they expect Ukraine 324 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: to win this war. I mean, this is delusional. They 325 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: know that, and I think basically the motivation was to 326 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: use Ukrainian effectively Ukraine as human shields to protect the 327 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: Europeans because the Europeans didn't want to pay for their 328 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: security and they decide instead of like developing a deterren 329 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: strategy against Putin, they went ahead and they allowed this 330 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: to happen, so that Putin can just use Ukraine, you know, 331 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: to destroy it, because by destroying it, he's preventing it 332 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: from joining Natal And that's the very, very tragic part. 333 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: And I believe the Pentagon was very well aware. Otherwise, 334 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: how would you how would you even explain it? You 335 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: let tiny Ukraine fight a behemoth like Russia that you 336 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: yourself knew as on pile with the US military, that's absurd. 337 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: We've got more in Russia and Ukraine. 338 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: But first, protecting our families in our homes is essential, 339 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: But are we truly prepared? Breakings happen every twenty five seconds, 340 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: and even with the security system, can it really keep 341 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: intruders out? 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That's Sabre Radio 356 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: dot com, or call eight four four eight two four 357 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Safe Today to protect what matters most. 358 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: How do you think. 359 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: That foreign affairs changes once Donald Trump takes office? 360 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: What do you think the world looks like under him? 361 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: So, uh, it's already well, I was gonna say it's 362 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: already looking better. It was looking better until Biden, you know, 363 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: messed that up. But but uh, when Trump comes, definitely 364 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: it's gonna look better already. You see the type of 365 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: the type of people that he's appointing, you know. Uh, 366 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 3: today the announcement came in that he appointed former uh 367 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: A G. Matthew Whittaker as a as a NATO ambassador. 368 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: I mean that is awesome. He's a gangster, so I 369 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: could say so meaning he's the US patron. He's tough, 370 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: tough man, right. And I briefed NATO myself in in 371 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: in Brussels just a few months in the run up 372 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: to put this invasion of Ukraine, and those guys knew everything. 373 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: I both breath, both the Military Commission and the political 374 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: leaders and the nuclear High level Group. So again just 375 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: to demonstrate everybody knew and everything, and nobody wanted to 376 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: prevent this from happening. So those guys, they don't They 377 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: prefer somebody like like like Biden and Obama where they 378 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 3: don't have to contribute. Even to this day, not all 379 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: of the nations contribute two percent for their defense. Germany 380 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: the largest country, the richest country, the richest is what 381 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: I meant to say. In Europe doesn't doesn't doesn't pay. 382 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: So uh, Trump's men are gonna be really really effective 383 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 3: with with those that with those people, and already I 384 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: think a lot of the adversaries are kind of like 385 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: sizing up the situations and they're not gonna be as 386 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: as emboldened. But we still need to get there. Lisa. Remember, 387 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: we still just have a couple of months to go, 388 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: and I am just very very concerned that some of 389 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: these you know, dictators are going to use this lame 390 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: dug period during which they were basically redless or we 391 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 3: have a mental person managing, they would take advantage of it. 392 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: Do you think China would take advantage of this interum 393 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: period of time? 394 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: This is one of them. This is so so I 395 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: my assessment from about uh just six months ago, was 396 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: that China was going to uh do something before actually something, 397 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: meaning invade Taiwan before Trump comes in. I am now 398 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 3: reconsidering uh this analytic line, and I'm in the process 399 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: of evaluating my my intelligence. So I don't know. Okay, 400 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: they're multiple It's a it's a very very fluid situation, uh, 401 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: because China right now, if Russia, if war between the 402 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: United States and Russia does indeed go kinetic, right then 403 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: China obviously would need to would join on the Russia side, 404 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: and they need to conserve those weapons so they can't 405 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: spread themselves thin. On the other hand, the counter argument 406 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: to that is that is also the best time to 407 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: invade Taiwan because the United States is uh is spread 408 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: thin because China, remember is the winner in the Russia 409 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: Ukraine war. Because China is sitting here and watching Russia, 410 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: Ukraine and the United States deplete their respective weapons arsenal. 411 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: We are the point, were the United States, We're the point. 412 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: We're to low low, we are to very very low 413 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: levels on a bi weapons systems in one hundred and 414 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: fifty five million or shells and so so. But I 415 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: need to spend more time to come up with an 416 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: analytic line on that question. Very good question, La, you. 417 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Know, and you've got obviously you've got Putin's playbook, but 418 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: you're an update is coming out. Tell us a little 419 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: bit about what to expect from that and what we'll 420 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: be in it. 421 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm going to include that information on this 422 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: war in Ukraine. I'm going to explain why the war 423 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: was unwinnable for Ukraine to begin was it was, It's 424 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: mathematically impossible. I'm going to go over the lack of strategy. 425 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: I haven't decided yet whether it's going to be a 426 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: lack of strategy from the Pentagon or a deliberate strategy. 427 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm leaning, like I said, I'm leaning to concluding that 428 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: this this was the deliberate strategy on part of the 429 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: White House, Biden Harris administration and the Pentagon to use 430 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: this war to a weekend Russian military and economically, which 431 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: is what Lloyd Dustin himself admitted, right and using Ukraine 432 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: as a buffer, uh, to protect in as a human shield, 433 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: to protect the Europeans. So I'm going to explain that 434 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to go through intelligence failures that took both uh. 435 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: The Russians had some failures Ukrainians and obviously we did. 436 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: And I'm going to go over the landscape and his 437 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: uh uh personal psychological profile because that man, he is 438 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: not a Churchill in a T shirt. He's a miniature 439 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: pood He manipulator. He's not a democratic leader. He's a dictator. 440 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: Like I said, miniature, wouldn't he outlawed all of the opposition. 441 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: And so I'm going to go over those things and 442 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: it's going to come out in March, and it's available 443 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: for reorder. 444 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, we'll have to have you back. 445 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 446 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't trust Putin or Zelensky. 447 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: But exactly and you shouldn't exactly. 448 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: Rebecca Coffler, appreciate your time, my friend. 449 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on and updating us on the takeaways 450 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: from what's happening and where this could head nice until 451 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: next time. That was Rebecca Coffler. I appreciate her for 452 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: taking time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys 453 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you 454 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. Also one of things John 455 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: cass who my producer, for putting the show together. 456 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: Until next time,