WEBVTT - Is Matthew Stafford Really Leaving LA?

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<v Speaker 1>It is Tuesday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. This

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<v Speaker 1>is another off season addition of football today. Justin Pennick

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<v Speaker 1>is here, Chris Rose is here, Producer Connor is here

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<v Speaker 1>as well. The man who's not here, and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a really good excuse, Bobby Skinner and Pennick. Why isn't

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<v Speaker 1>he here today?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, he got married on Sunday. Chris Rose and

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<v Speaker 2>I am just getting home from the ceremony by the

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<v Speaker 2>time that we're recording this. We had a great, great time,

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<v Speaker 2>I requested Shania Twain. I was the star of the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget Bobby, Forget Bobby Skinner and his lovely wife getting married,

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of tears and family and loving and things

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<v Speaker 2>on the sides of Bobby Skinner I've never seen. I

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<v Speaker 2>was the star of the evening because I danced very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a little bit ad on social media. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no question. Yeah, we'll leave it at that. So really,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby got very emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh he did, And he's probably gonna hate that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying it. But it was nice. It really was a

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<v Speaker 2>nice day, wholesome day. Bobby's Skinner. Believe you, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it or not. It's always the people that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>expect to be loving and deep, to be the deepest,

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<v Speaker 2>deepest of people. So I saw a side of Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>that I haven't seen, and I've thought of it, so

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<v Speaker 2>I have to admit something justin what if they asked you?

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<v Speaker 2>Even though none of his family members really know me, well,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them do more than you would think I

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<v Speaker 2>know me, but like I never really met his mother

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<v Speaker 2>or his father or anything like that. But I still

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<v Speaker 2>had this dream and fantasy of like, well, what if

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<v Speaker 2>they ask you to perform a speech? Because that's how

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<v Speaker 2>conceited I am. And I would have been, like, how

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<v Speaker 2>have you talked to Bobby Skinner for like twenty thousand hours?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the amount of time that I've calculated in our

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<v Speaker 2>in our couple of years have known each other between

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls, podcasts and everything, twenty thousand hours, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>how that's that's how I would have like started off

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<v Speaker 2>my speech and I would have went from there.

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<v Speaker 1>But that wouldn't been adorable. Woh, you said they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>ask you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, we seated my conceited mindset, Like if they do,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Say way to represent the John Boy media family. So

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<v Speaker 1>that part is good. Yes, thank you, and congratulations to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 1>His bride's name is it? What's her name? I'm sorry, Lisasa? Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>iet to meet her. So I look forward to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Today it's mister and missus Skinner. That'll be nice. So

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby will be back somewhere down the road, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>before the first game of the twenty twenty five season.

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<v Speaker 1>At any rate, we're getting ready. I'm heading to the combine.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do that next show. We'll have a little preview

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<v Speaker 1>for you. That'll be fun. In the meantime, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of headlines out there, so why don't we just

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<v Speaker 1>scour through them before we do it? Though? I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask this. Apparently for the competition committee, there was

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<v Speaker 1>one anonymous team that brought up banning the tush push,

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<v Speaker 1>and Diana Russini of the Athletic came out and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not anonymous anymore. It's the Green Bay Packers. Ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>do you respect the Packers for trying to ban the

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<v Speaker 1>push push or since they're the only one where you

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<v Speaker 1>like God, that's kind of a weasly move. Just learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it because it rose if every NFL team did

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<v Speaker 2>it and did it successfully, and I would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, maybe this is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>cheat code. There's one team that does it and does

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<v Speaker 2>it better than everybody else. So I respect the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe trying to get something going, but it's we

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<v Speaker 2>see other teams try to do it, like didn't the

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<v Speaker 2>Bills try to do it against the Chiefs a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of time in the Conference championship, But it's like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing? It's not working. There's one team that

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<v Speaker 2>does it, one team that does it really well, and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's got to try and find a way to stop it,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody can.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, the quarterback sneak has been a part

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<v Speaker 1>of this game ever since I've been watching. Some team's

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<v Speaker 1>always ran it a little bit better. The Eagles just

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<v Speaker 1>happened to have it. It's an amazing combination of a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful offensive line that knows how to get low, they

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<v Speaker 1>have guys behind Hurts that don't mind doing the pushing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Jalen Hurts is probably as strong a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>as we've gotten this league. The Bills, they don't run

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<v Speaker 1>a tush push they run Josh Allen and unfortunately for

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest play of the year for them, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get or some people think they did get the first

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<v Speaker 1>down on fourth down. But you know, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>tush push. It is a true quarterback sneak. Even occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>when they have guys pushing from behind. They just other

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<v Speaker 1>teams don't run it as well, and there's certainly no

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<v Speaker 1>way to stop it with the way that the Eagles

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<v Speaker 1>run it. They just do a tremendous job. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess teams will figure it out or until Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Hurts gets injured, which he has yet to do on

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<v Speaker 1>that particular play. Anyway, we're gonna do the intrat scale

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<v Speaker 1>of one to five, one being passed not even blinking

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes at it, and five being all the way

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<v Speaker 1>in on this story. Let's start with my colleague Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Pelisero over at NFL Network who says that the Rams

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<v Speaker 1>have given Matthew Stafford's agent a chance to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>other teams, and then there was a follow up report

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<v Speaker 1>it said this coming week in Indy, Stafford's agent is

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk to the Rams about trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how there can be a financial agreement moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire story scale of one to five.

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<v Speaker 2>How interested No, it's a five for me since since

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<v Speaker 2>my my team that I'm repping behind me is primarily

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that right now, I honestly think there's one

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<v Speaker 2>out of four teams there. You know, there's Matthew Stafford's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on one of these four teams coming

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<v Speaker 2>this year. It's either going to be the Rams, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, I think that's likely, the Giants.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that could be likely, And I also

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<v Speaker 2>think the Raiders and maybe the Steelers could be players

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<v Speaker 2>in this. Do you think your Browns are players in this?

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<v Speaker 1>Or No? No, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say no to but those four would you

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<v Speaker 2>agree with those four?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>The Steelers are an interesting one. I think. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to ask me to rank the three

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<v Speaker 1>other teams, because I think it's the three that you mentioned, Rams, Giants, Raiders,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to have me ranked in order of

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<v Speaker 1>where I think he'll end up, I think it's Rams,

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<v Speaker 1>then I think it's Raiders, and I think the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>are a distant third.

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<v Speaker 2>A distant third. Okay, I think you know I came

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<v Speaker 2>on here last week saying oh, I'm pretty I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>sure and everything like that. I do think I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna wind up staying with the Rams. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna wind up staying with the Rams, and especially

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<v Speaker 2>doing some reading about this is all money. This is

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<v Speaker 2>all Matthew Stafford wants more money, and I do think

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<v Speaker 2>he deserves more money. But also, at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>rose that contract extension that he agreed to in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. You know, we didn't have a football show

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, but you know, the NFL, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL world really looked at that forty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>average annual value and kind of scratched their head at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because now it's Stafford in his camp that agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>that deal that now they want, not necessarily a new deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is really the funky part about this Matthew

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<v Speaker 2>Stafford situation. It's not necessarily like this extension, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of looking for more money right now. Now. There's

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<v Speaker 2>typically not a big precedence for this, but the Rams

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<v Speaker 2>have a precedent for it since they did the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing to Aaron Donald just a couple years ago, where

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of scrapped his current deal and made him

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<v Speaker 2>the highest paid interior defense alignment in the NFL and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really extend him but just gave him more money

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment now here Now, Jason Fitzgerald of Over

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<v Speaker 2>the Cap kind of kind of broke this down. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's making me think that it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more likely than I did a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days ago. In last week, you know, I'm thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Giants, Giants, Giants, And now I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm walking back a little bit, and I still have

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<v Speaker 2>hope as a Giants fan, but I think the money

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<v Speaker 2>is just so complicated here, and Stafford and his team

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<v Speaker 2>really really did dig themselves a hole here. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>players like Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson that are getting

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<v Speaker 2>forty six million dollars average annual value. Stafford's at forty

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Peter Schrager comes out and says that Stafford

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<v Speaker 2>was looking for fifty million, right, And that makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>because you have Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson and then Jared Goff,

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<v Speaker 2>the player that was involved in that trade, that are

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<v Speaker 2>just getting north to fifty million dollars. So you would

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<v Speaker 2>have to think that's what Stafford's looking for, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's fair. Here's the thing. Currently, every player with

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty million dollar a year contract has at least

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed. Currently, Stafford has

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three million dollars remaining on his contract, So on

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<v Speaker 2>a minimum, that means the Rams are committing an extra

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<v Speaker 2>forty million dollars, which likely means committing him to be

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<v Speaker 2>the QB until he's thirty nine and then possibly being

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<v Speaker 2>able to walk until he's forty. So the money on

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<v Speaker 2>this rose it's a lot. It is a lot. If

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to get up to fifty and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about kind of throwing out the deal that

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<v Speaker 2>we have now, but we're adding more guaranteed years. That's

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<v Speaker 2>adding a lot of guaranteed money on. You're probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to add on those guaranteed years, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not something the Rams really want to do, knowing the

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<v Speaker 2>window that they're in right now, and you know, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that Stafford could take it down to kind of at

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<v Speaker 2>any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he obviously wants more money. We don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>much more. I don't know if Peter's right, or wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, but you would think.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty would make sense, right, like Deshn Watson, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm Matthew Stafford, I'm looking at the Rams being like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not willing to pay me more than what

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<v Speaker 2>those like those two guys are getting and not paying

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<v Speaker 2>me the literally you traded away Jared Goff for me,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't think that I'm worth that, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>would feel very disrespect well, and I'm won a super

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he probably wants to pay play another couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. If I were to guess he's been healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>He missed one game this year, and that's because they

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<v Speaker 1>sat him out in a game where Jimmy Garoppolo played

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<v Speaker 1>the last week and they didn't care whether they were

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<v Speaker 1>the third or the fourth seed didn't matter to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say this, I wouldn't discount the Raiders from

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<v Speaker 1>this equation only because it's a forty minute flight from

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. He's got four girls. I can't imagine he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to uproot a family, move them all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to New York to go play with the Giants who well,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, when three and fourteen last year, he

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<v Speaker 1>might want to not like the Raiders were any better,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will say this, it's a forty minute flight,

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<v Speaker 1>it ain't five hours, it's not in the snow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>inside a dome, it's on grass, it's all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff where he's won his ring. Now, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>if you hooked him up to a lie detector test,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd want to say, let's figure this out

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<v Speaker 1>with the Rams. I can live in the home that

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<v Speaker 1>I've built, one of the many homes that I've built,

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<v Speaker 1>and just stay here with a damn good team. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the Rams don't have to pay anybody

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<v Speaker 1>on defense yet and they're shipping Cooper Cup out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I just I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>end up. But for me, the interest is one to

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<v Speaker 1>it's a five yeah, because so many teams are affected.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a domino effect one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>What could happen with Donald and you know, then then

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<v Speaker 2>you get into the other two b's that are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get paid a lot less, like the Rogers. The I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't really put Russell Wilson in that category, but Rogers

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<v Speaker 2>and Kirk Cousins like, there is a domino effect and

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<v Speaker 2>it is waiting for Matthew Stafford to fall. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>do think, you know, another team could negotiate a contract

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<v Speaker 2>that Matthew Stafford likes and the compensation could be right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Raiders of the Giants could could really pull

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<v Speaker 2>that trigger. But it does seem it really does just

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<v Speaker 2>seem like the easiest alternative and kind of meeting at

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, Right, what's the word I'm looking for when

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<v Speaker 2>you meet at the middle with some compromise. The easiest

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<v Speaker 2>compromise is the Rams kind of just give Matthew Stafford

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more money. Maybe maybe they maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>get close to fifty million or you know, again, it's complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would really it's working within year to year

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<v Speaker 2>and not if you give them forty million dollars guaranteed more,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're you may be adding more years and adding

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<v Speaker 2>bad money. And the Rams don't want to do that

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<v Speaker 2>if they have to do that, especially when Stafford's camp

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<v Speaker 2>kind of made this mistake and they dug their own

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<v Speaker 2>grave to begin with in twenty twenty two with this

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<v Speaker 2>extension on.

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<v Speaker 1>Their own grave, right, Yeah, I mean, it's just this

0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:07.920
<v Speaker 1>is the way the system works. It's not always the

0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.080
<v Speaker 1>best guy that gets paid. It's the next guy up,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what happens. So let's move on to Miles Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>We know this story. He's requested a trade, he did

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds at Super Bowl. Do you think things will

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<v Speaker 1>move forward with all the teams when they get together

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<v Speaker 1>in Indy? How much does this story now up? You're

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<v Speaker 1>anti on a scale of one to five.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose, I'm down out a two for this because it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like the smoke I don't even know if they're

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<v Speaker 2>ever the only smoke that we really had. Is it

0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.120
<v Speaker 2>all Miles Garrett requested a trade. It's really the only

0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of smoke that this story has ever had. The

0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.839
<v Speaker 2>brown should want to keep Miles Garrett self explanatory. I

0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>think they kind of came out and said that as

0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.280
<v Speaker 2>soon as this happened. So Rose, let me let me

0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.360
<v Speaker 2>ask you this, any chance they could just work on

0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.360
<v Speaker 2>an extension? Yes, more more money, continue to kick money

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<v Speaker 2>down the road. Would making Miles Garrett the highest paid

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<v Speaker 2>defensive player in the league menfences, Yeah, of course it would.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing. I get it. The Browns totally

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up this Deshaun Watson thing. It has set them

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<v Speaker 1>back immensely. But let's remember this, who has won more

0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.640
<v Speaker 1>playoff games over the last five seasons. The Cleveland Browns

0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:18.520
<v Speaker 1>are the Pittsburgh Steelers Rounds. So the Browns, although since

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, have been a total dumpster fire for the

0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.360
<v Speaker 1>most part, and I believe have only bed the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>three times since then. I want to say, but twice

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<v Speaker 1>under this regime. Last year was a huge, huge step

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<v Speaker 1>back for them and the Watson stuff. Until they come

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<v Speaker 1>out and admit their failures on many fronts here, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they can move forward. Now. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand Miles's frustration, and he took a personal shot

0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.200
<v Speaker 1>at the GM Andrew Berry with the way that he

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<v Speaker 1>worded things when he came out with his statement about

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go directly from Cleveland to Canton.

0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to win multiple Super Bowls. That was a

0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>shot at Andrew Berry's line where he said, Miles Garrett,

0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.360
<v Speaker 1>we fully expect him to go right from Cleveland to Canton.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he said is his year end presser. So

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's a one because I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. I don't think they're going to trade him

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. It sounds great for this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>fodder for all sorts of morning shows and podcasts, and

0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody's trying to figure out, well, should he go to Detroit,

0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Should he go to Green Bay? Should he go to Buffalo?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, why would Cleveland do all that stuff if

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna get a pick in the late twenties. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, this stuff is if you go figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the cap stuff, it can't happen till after June anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So is Miles really gonna sit out a year or two?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see that. I think they're gonna get back together.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'll figure it out. I understand he was

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<v Speaker 1>hot at the end of the season. I want guys

0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that are pissed off that they went three and fourteen. Me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that big a deal now. At first, when

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<v Speaker 1>we did that show and they and you and Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>were arm wrestling to see who could break the news

0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.720
<v Speaker 1>to me, that day was a difficult one. The next

0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.200
<v Speaker 1>few days for the Super Bowl were really hard. But

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<v Speaker 1>after that I haven't really given it much thought. So

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<v Speaker 1>very low one or two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we'll see. I mean, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>the week where if steam starts to pick up and

0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.800
<v Speaker 2>we hear teams then this person's interested, this team's interested,

0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.160
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. But it's kind of died since it

0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.600
<v Speaker 2>initially broke that Garrett wants to be traded. And I

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<v Speaker 2>really think, like believe it or not, the Cleveland Browns

0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.520
<v Speaker 2>are actually in a good salary cap scenario. Two years

0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.880
<v Speaker 2>down the line from now, you can push money down

0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the road on a Miles Garrett. I really think an

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<v Speaker 2>extension will kind of be like the Cleveland Browns as

0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.520
<v Speaker 2>an organization or you know, putting their arms out and

0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.280
<v Speaker 2>then Garrett becoming the highest paid defensive player in the

0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.080
<v Speaker 2>league with the Cleveland Browns. You know, maybe that's the

0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.240
<v Speaker 2>contract that sends you into your mid thirties. That could

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<v Speaker 2>be another word compromise, using it again for both sides.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, a report out there that Sam Darnold and

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings are talking about an extension. His football future

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<v Speaker 1>scale of one to five. How interested, it's a four

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very very fast to see what's happening with

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<v Speaker 2>UH with Sam Donald and Albert Brier put out an

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<v Speaker 2>article today, Rose and you talked about this on last

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<v Speaker 2>week's show. This is from Albert Brier. The Sam donald

0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.160
<v Speaker 2>situation still merits watching in Minnesota, and in a weird way,

0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I could see JJ McCarthy's weight being a factor. He

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<v Speaker 2>lost a bunch going through the knee surgeries over the

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<v Speaker 2>past six months. So returning to his fighting weight, we'll

0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.680
<v Speaker 2>play in an element in the Vikings confidence and there

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<v Speaker 2>is confidence there in parentheses that they could go forward

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<v Speaker 2>with him. End quote. So, Rose, you talked about it

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<v Speaker 2>last week JJ McCarthy and his weight, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>you talked about it last year at the combine. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seeing him that, you know, he kind of

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<v Speaker 2>looked like kind of put some put some weight on

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<v Speaker 2>specifically for the combine, like you could see it in

0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.760
<v Speaker 2>his face. So certainly his playing weight is a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>in the Minnesota building. Now here's my only question. Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>you're if you're the Vikings, you're not giving Sam donaldlake

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<v Speaker 2>a three or a four year deal, right, but that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like he could get that on the open market.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, whatever it is, I would have to frontlad

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, and I don't know their cap situation enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it up on over the cap.

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<v Speaker 2>It's decent.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, here's the point, would I would front load it

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not so sure that you're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a better Sam Darnold than the one we saw in

0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I really mean, he's got a great

0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.240
<v Speaker 1>receiving corps, he's got an innovative offensive mine. Their offensive

0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.400
<v Speaker 1>line is good enough, although Darrisaw was missing the back

0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>half of the year and they had to make that

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 1>trade for Cam Robinson. So Darrisaw comes back and that'll

0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.560
<v Speaker 1>help him, you know. I think they're going to add

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<v Speaker 1>more weapons. Wouldn't surprise me if in a deep running

0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.240
<v Speaker 1>back draft class that they add something there in the

0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.440
<v Speaker 1>backfield to help them out. Like, I think there's gonna

0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>be more playmakers available. So could he play better? He

0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.639
<v Speaker 1>could do I expect him to than he did in

0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I don't. Yeah. Everybody says, well you

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.200
<v Speaker 1>got JJ McCarthy there, Well, hold on, we just saw

0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in that same division. How long was it before Jordan

0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Love made his second NFL start? It was until year four,

0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and he wouldn't have made one if Rogers hadn't gotten

0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.439
<v Speaker 1>Pop for COVID. Right. Isn't that why he missed the

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City game a few years ago? Or was it

0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 1>an injury he played. He had one start basically before

0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.920
<v Speaker 1>his fourth season, so you can put him on layaway.

0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You run the risk of not knowing what your quarterback

0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like until the time you have to decide whether

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.959
<v Speaker 1>or not to extend him. But still you can do it.

0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.520
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I said last week that I

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<v Speaker 1>would move on from Sam Donald. There's a big part

0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of me that still says, yes, that's what I want

0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to do. But yeah, it's an interesting story because of

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.920
<v Speaker 1>all these other teams that need some kind of help.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would I would put it at a four

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now here's here's my here's my thing. If you're

0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>the Vikings and you want to bring in somebody, whether

0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that's Sam Donald or somebody else, for let's say a

0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.240
<v Speaker 2>two year deal to give JJ McCarthy more time, wouldn't

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.320
<v Speaker 2>it be smarter to just pay a guy like Aaron

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Rodgers way less money on a two year deal that

0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you can probably even get out after one year. So

0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.399
<v Speaker 2>that timeline makes more sense, because I really think Sam

0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Donald could go somewhere and get a three year deal

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.400
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe two years, or a four year deal that's

0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe actually three years, like he's going to get more

0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.840
<v Speaker 2>money than what it realistically makes sense for the Minnesota Vikings.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, so it makes sense. Do you think any

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<v Speaker 1>part of that equation is Aaron Rodgers sitting there saying, well,

0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.800
<v Speaker 1>hold on, as compared to Brett Fahr for so long?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I really want to go Packers, Jets Vikings?

0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:42.119
<v Speaker 2>It would be very funny.

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It'd be funny for us. I don't know if he

0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.480
<v Speaker 1>would think it's funny.

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.560
<v Speaker 2>But Rose, we talk about it with any with any

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback that has a pulse, whether you're a rookie, a veteran,

0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.600
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. If you want to if you want to

0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>have a good freaking year, you go to Kevin O'Connell.

0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, go to Justin Jefferson. You've got those tackles. Yeah,

0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers had a good last ten games. We'll talk

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 2>about that momentarily. I mean, at least statistically, not when

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>it comes to wins and losses. But they were a

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.560
<v Speaker 2>dumpster fire up there. So yeah, it's an interesting story

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 2>for both of us. But let's move on to the

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 2>veteran quarterbacks the future, Kirk Cousins, Rogers and Russell Wilson.

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Can any of them be the missing piece. They were

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.280
<v Speaker 2>expected to be in Atlanta, New York, and Pittsburgh, respectively,

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.800
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't really happen for two of them, and

0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.600
<v Speaker 2>for Uss it kind of crumbled there at the end.

0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.399
<v Speaker 2>So with that full story scale interest scale of one

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.879
<v Speaker 2>to five, Rogers is the only one that really fully

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.639
<v Speaker 2>interests me. So I'll put Rogers at like a three.

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, I still have questions about Rogers's body because

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.480
<v Speaker 2>that you know, it took him over half a year

0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to kind of fully get into it, which he's coming

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.920
<v Speaker 2>off the Achilles. I get it, but you're forty two.

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.120
<v Speaker 2>There's going to be another reset after playing this year.

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Kirk is done. What's going to be really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting with Kirk and I'm interested to get your thoughts

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.120
<v Speaker 2>on this. The Falcons are going to have to release

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.199
<v Speaker 2>and cut Kirk Cousins. They're not going to find a

0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 2>trade partner that's going to want to even take on

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 2>part of that contract. And also, why would anybody give

0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>up any kind of draft capital when the Falcons are

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.479
<v Speaker 2>in this own mess that they've created themselves. So the

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Falcons could release Kirk Cousins and then we have a

0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Russell Wilson situation. Just like the Steelers had last year,

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.560
<v Speaker 2>where you can basically sign him for a veteran minimum deal,

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's what an NFL team is going to prefer.

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 2>And then also, I just don't fully believe in I

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.359
<v Speaker 2>don't fully believe in Russ. I think he does the

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.720
<v Speaker 2>moonball thing well and throwing the deep ball on the sideline,

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, like you know, I don't know how,

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he can fully elevate a team anymore.

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So Rogers has me at like a three, and then

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Kirk and Russ A Kirk, I'm more interested too, and

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>then Russ.

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<v Speaker 1>On a one. Yeah. Well, whatever team Russell goes to,

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 1>he has to come up with some little cute saying

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of interviews. So whether it's the Boks

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<v Speaker 1>or let's ride. And I heard him do something with

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers this year. I think that's about the only

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>interest I've got with that. Rogers, I think is somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating because his last ten games eighteen touchdowns, four picks.

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Jets went three and seven in those starts, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were times where the game was on the line and

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.080
<v Speaker 1>the Jets couldn't get their shit together, but they I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really curious to see if he could get with whether

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a Kevin O'Connell or somebody else that can coach offense,

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>can get him pointed back in the right direction to

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<v Speaker 1>where he can put him the team in a position

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<v Speaker 1>to win. I still am fascinated by that, and I

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think he wants to finish the way that it

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>literally limped out with not even playing in twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and then in twenty four just it felt so clunky

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<v Speaker 1>and awkward, and yeah, I don't know. Now. The Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>Cousins is interesting because of the reports that he's saying

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 1>now that yeah, you know what, my elbow and my

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 1>shoulder were kind of screwed up at the end of

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the year and he was only on the injured list

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>like once in the last six games or whatever. Now

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>he's saying after saying, well, no, I was fine. No,

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I was really a little banged up. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>whether he's trying to save face or that's real. It's

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<v Speaker 1>probably some combination of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>It's his legs, though, Rose he he can't generate any

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 2>power from his lower body.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he couldn't this year, but that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>a year removed from that surgery that he won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to Cousins was playing the best football of his

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<v Speaker 1>career when he got hurt in the middle of the

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three season. Are you saying that no team

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<v Speaker 1>should take a shot on a what if? What if

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<v Speaker 1>the deal is just slightly more in terms of finances

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<v Speaker 1>than what the Steelers paid Russell Wilson, which was under

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<v Speaker 1>two million I think last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. But regardless that that is what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to make Kirk Cousins interesting to a team is that

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<v Speaker 2>would you want it going to have to cut him?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you want him quarterbacking your team? No, I would question.

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<v Speaker 2>I would get very frustrated with the limiteds. Like now

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I will say, like it was Stafford, old Man Stafford

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and Kirk Cousins. I was looking at this the other

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>day that you know, because PFF does like the the

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 2>ship like the QB shares responsibility for the amount of

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 2>pressures that he has, and it's those two guys that

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.879
<v Speaker 2>are down there, even though they're older and they can't

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 2>move per se. But I would just say, Cousins just

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>got rid of the ball very fast. So I don't know, man,

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, the pistol and play action you know the

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>you know the Zach Robinson and the and the McVeigh stuff.

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 2>They really utilized the play action stuff. They did not

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 2>utilize the bootleg and Atlanta, and that was the issue

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 2>for them. But I would just get very frustrated about Cousins' limitations,

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 2>especially like that he just can't use it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even talking about using his legs mobility, using his legs

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to generate power on his arm. That's how a lot

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of those interceptions I feel like happened last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you think he ends up?

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Where do I think he ends up? You know there's

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>this team in Minnesota that may look for a bridge. Now,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 2>did you do you have an idea he might end

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>up in my city, Cleveland? Yeah?

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that the offense that Stefanski's gonna

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 1>end up running again could be interesting for him. We'll see.

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's gonna play and I think he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start Week one. I really do so that to me,

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I do find the whole. I think I find at

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<v Speaker 1>least two of the three interesting. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I can I don't know with Russ, but I find

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<v Speaker 1>two of the three pretty interesting and Rogers and cousins.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say at least a three. Last thing here,

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<v Speaker 1>will the Bengals franchise t Higgins yet again the second

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.360
<v Speaker 1>straight year? Will they get you know, Jamar Chase done?

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>What's gonna happen with Trey Henderson who's headed the last

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>year of his deal? Are they going to trade him that?

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I've seen some stories that say, well it makes sense

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>instead of paying a guy who's over thirty despite leading

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the league in sacks, trade him now? You could probably, yes, yes,

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>there are there are reports. I don't understand it, but

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>there are some people who say, yeah, if we add

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>draft capital, then you know what, we can get a

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>few guys that can help us. It just doesn't make

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>sense on the Bengals offseason situation. How interested are.

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 2>You now the Bengals as a whole, I'm I'm at,

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 2>like you know, ranging between three to four, But in

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>terms of like T Higgins, I'm down at a two.

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think they're gonna franchise tag them. I

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>think from a from a football standpoint, you trust your

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 2>you trust your elite quarterback, you trust your offensive coach,

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>and you trust in your elite wide receiver and Jamar

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Chase that you're going to pay right. You trust that

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>they can make it work and the front office can

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>patch that wide receiver to with someone else. You know,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 2>vas is taking a step up. I'm saying I'm wrong

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>for the wide receiver from Princeton.

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>He took.

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>He took a step up, especially in the red zone

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:58.479
<v Speaker 2>last year. But I still think you're you're gonna need

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>another compliment on the outside at wide receiver two. But

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I think the Bengals trying to, I guess, make some

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.679
<v Speaker 2>sort of EXTENTSI with te Higgins. They already franchised tagged him.

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>They let talented defensive players walk out the dorm past years.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>We gotta add defensive talent, Like enough, t Higgins, go

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 2>go and get paid from New England. Go be the

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver one for the Patriots. Go get your bag.

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Trust everybody on offense to do what they have to

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>do to get by and still be really good. We

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 2>gotta add defensive talent and extend Trey Hendrickson like this

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous, Rose, It's a steal. It's criminal. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>ten eleventh. Trey Hendrickson is eleventh. An average annual value

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>among all edge rushers in the NFL, just in front

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of Joey Bosa and behind Bradley Chubb, Max Crosby, Vershan

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Gary and Danelle Hunter Montes what is up there too? So,

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got to give Trey Hendrickson the bag

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 2>that he that he's like deserved throughout all of his career.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals really don't have a problem paying good players.

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>It's the glue guys that they'll let walk out the door.

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Ye that's been That's part of the issue with this franchise.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>And you can't pay everybody. I would let Higgins walk.

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>The difference between this past season's franchise tag and this

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 1>year's franchise tag for wide receiver is gonna be about

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>five million. It's gonna go from twenty one to twenty six.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to tie that up and pay Jamar?

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>You have to get the Jamar Chase Steel done this offseason.

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>You can't wait again, because my god, if he has

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>another season the way he did this year, forget about it,

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>like you better. This is the mistake that the Cowboys

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>have made in recent years. That Dak was good. You know,

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>he finished second in the MVP in twenty twenty three.

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>You waited, so you probably cost yourself tens of millions

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>of dollars on that deal to the Bengals want to

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>do the same. You're gonna pay him, Just pay him now.

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>He is freaking incredible, and he will end up being

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>paid as the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>is my guess.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be thirty six. Right, You don't you

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>don't want to bid against yourself, and you're right, that's

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>what the Cowboys have done, you know, to their detriment. Yeah,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>so you're paying them more than justin Jefferson, So you're

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he's getting thirty six or at least thirty five to five.

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>So get your more Chase done and you gotta you

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>gotta add defensive talent. You just you just have to

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>do that.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>So as far as the interest in the story goes,

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a two. Unless here's the prediction, Chase gets extended,

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>even if that's closer to training camp. That's fine because

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that's when a lot of that stuff happens. Yeah, uh,

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Jamar Chase. I'd extend Trey Hendrickson on a nice, short,

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>fat deal, and I'd let t Higgins walk, and you

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>can get a comp pick for him. Oh wait, is

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the com pick attached to him once they're franchised.

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a good question. Don't know that on top

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.479
<v Speaker 2>of my head. Even CAP people sometimes don't know how

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>the cap works because it's very complicated.

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it's all interesting, all right, but regardless, could

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>be an interesting off season in Cincinnati. We are back

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>at it again later this week. We'll have a new

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>episode out in time for the Combine.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what, I have a very interest you're gonna be

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>at the combine, Chris Rose. Yes, I have an interesting

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>last question that I didn't I didn't we didn't prep

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>on Okay, but I uh, I'm gonna this is a

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Chris Rose question that I'm asking Chris Rose. Great, maybe

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 2>an unexpected piece of news rumor that we're going to

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>start to hear at the combine. Do you have any

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.959
<v Speaker 2>that's now on the fact that it's unexpected means that

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>you're not expecting it. So I'm putting you on the

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>spot to think of one.

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>You know. Daniel Jeremiah put out a great tweet on Monday.

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 1>He's our lead draft analyst and he and Richisen will

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>be in the booth on Thursday, calling all this stuff,

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and he said, listen, I I've done some homework as

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>well on the free agent class, and he goes, it's

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>got me even more excited for the draft. And then

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody took that and said, this is why you expect

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of extensions coming up. So I think that

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because of the lack of wow in the free agent

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>class that you'll see in the middle of March, there

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to be some extensions that perhaps you don't expect. Okay,

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>who could that be? I don't know. I mean, is

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>there a guy that's Is there a pass rusher that's

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>two years away from free agency that ends up getting

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>a huge haul? Does that sort of stuff make sense?

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there another wide receiver like does Puka Nakua get

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>a deal? He's heading into the third year of a

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>four year deal. Remember he is a fifth round pick,

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>so he doesn't have a five year contract. He's got

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a four year rookie deal. Does he get one? That

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to make sense. But maybe with the lack

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>of a you know, big name available free agents, go

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>take care of your own now, get ahead of it.

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think a guy like Tyreek Hill's going anywhere.

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that, So this does Travis Kelsey retire, Like,

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the sort of stuff that would I think would

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>be that would be huge, right, Yeah, not sure. I

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>think he's gotten eleven and a half million dollar roster bonus.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it the league year. Oh yeah, so that

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>would be big. I don't know if that was a

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>good enough answer for you. No.

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I like that. I like that, and I really do

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 2>think teams should start As the cap continues to expand,

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I think eventually it won't be booming twenty million every year,

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>but as long as these TV deals keep coming in

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and money keeps flowing for the NFL like, it's going

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to continue to expand rapidly. So I think teams should

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>start to normalize, like why why are we going to

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>wait and bid against ourselves? As these guys and these

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>players have good years, you can responsibly extend players and

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>responsibly you know, you know, spread out cap hits if

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you extend guys early. And I think that's a good

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 2>move and I think NFL teams and good players should

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>start to do that and reward these.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Guys absolutely all right, As I mentioned, we are back

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>at it again later this week with a combined preview

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>so for our producer who puts it all together, Connor,

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>for Justin Pennock, for the newly married Bobby Beginner. I

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>am Chris Rose. We will see you later this week

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>here on Football Today.