WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Don Van Natta (06-26-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.840 Sports Radio. Hold on our two on this Meet Friday, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.200 Dan and m dans Dan Patrick Show. I'm not sure 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.480 what we learned from the first hour. Talked a lot 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.080 about Vince Carter, talked about TikTok videos. Todd of course 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.640 leading the charge TikTok videos. He's now being called tick Todd. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.360 Tick Todd is what chat rows label you. Yeah, so 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.000 you and my youngest daughter, you have the you know, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.600 same kind of entertainment expectations with TikTok. You know about 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.239 fifteen seconds and then that's it. Yeah, that's all. You 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.520 need a good cat and video and you are set 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.639 for the rest of the day. All right? Eight seven 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:46.919 seven three d P Show Email address DP and Dan 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.519 Patrick dot com Twitter handle a DPS show. Let me 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.400 see pull question mclovin, what do we have hard hitting 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.880 as usual? Whose career would you rather have, Vince Carter 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.160 or Scottie Pippen. The early leader is Scottie. It's I 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:07.200 would take Scottie Pippen. You can't argue with the titles. Um, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.720 you know, different players though, but but Vince went to 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.280 two final fours at North Carolina and it you go 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.000 in to the Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not the 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.880 NBA Hall of Fame, it's the Basketball Hall of Fame. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.640 I don't know why this was, you know, any kind 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.720 of deal yesterday. I don't know if he's a big deal, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.640 but some talk shows were talking about is Vince Carter 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.119 a Hall of Famer. I'm like, he's in the top 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.560 twenty in NBA history in games played, minutes played, three 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:45.000 point field goals made, in total points. Yes, I'm changing 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.800 the poll question. Okay, whose career Vince Carter or Allen 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.200 Iverson neither of a title. At one point, they were 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.640 the biggest thing in the sport, maybe all sports. Iverson 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.840 went to a final. Yep, this is a tough one. Man. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:08.160 Iverson culturally changed the NBA. He didn't do a whole 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.880 lot with Georgetown. Vince Carter did a whole lot pretty 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:16.280 close with Iverson was only there one year at Georgetown. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:34.600 I think two years. Oh man, man, I'm gonna say Iverson. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.239 I think he was as much a one man show 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.360 as anybody we've seen in the NBA. And to do 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:48.240 it at that size. He led the league in scoring 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:57.520 four times and he's six feet tall at best. I'd 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.800 say Iverson. I'd say Iverson. Yeah, mclove. So in Philly 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.520 there's a big radio local radius say she had a 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.440 big pole, greatest Philadelphi sports athlete of all time, and 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.280 Iverson beat out mic and it's causing like a huge rebellion. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.920 That's a little over it. So Iverson, You're right, you 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.880 hit on something. Iverson's popularity is unquestioned with with a 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:22.360 whole generation and a whole generation of players that the 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.840 generation that came after Iverson, you know, because he had 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.040 corn rows, he had tats, he had sleeves, he had swag. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.720 I mean he had he was different. He was he 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:43.680 was different man. He had the great practice. It's like, um, 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.280 you know Jim Mora when he did playoffs. You know, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:52.000 Iverson did practice. It was kind of the same same 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:58.440 feeling there. Whys practice? I would say, Iverson? All right, 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.480 phone calls are welcome, eight seven. I'm in three d 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.840 P show email address dp A Dan Patrick dot com. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.200 Spent a little bit of time talking about the decision, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.280 and so we're coming up on the anniversary of the decision. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.560 Is that right time? Okay? And Don Vanetta of the 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.240 Mothership they're doing at thirty for thirty and it's based 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.640 off of what happened behind the scenes of Lebron's decision. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.360 We know where he went. I want to know who 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.200 knew where he was going before that announcement there, And 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.040 all I know is people at the Mothership. Some of 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.320 my former bosses are on record talking about this. Lebron 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.359 didn't cooperate with the thirty for thirty. Jim Gray is 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.960 not in the thirty for thirty, but we'll talk to 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:49.240 Don Vanetta about the decision. And I looked at it differently. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.120 I look at it differently now, and that is that Lebron. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.960 How many athletes are able to say, I want my 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.479 own show to make my decision. This wasn't one of 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.279 those quick announcements where you put on a cap and 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.560 I'm taking my talents to He hadn't. I mean, he 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.800 had the power and I'm trying to think of an 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.200 athlete who has had that much power to be able 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.039 to say to a network they wanted it on ABC. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.520 He's like, I don't want to be on ESPN, I'm 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.440 gonna visit on ABC. And the amazing part is Lebron 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.000 was twenty five years of age when he did that. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.080 He didn't have a title. He had, you know, pretty 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.120 good resume up to that point. But he's twenty five 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.360 years of age and he says to ESPN, I'm gonna 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.800 do I want to make my decision. I wanted to 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.479 be a TV show. And then he did it again 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.880 with Sports Illustrated. If you'll remember when he was going 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:58.880 back to Cleveland. So the summer of twenty fourteen, Sports 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.240 Illustrated had the excl use that he was going to 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.280 go back to Cleveland. Yes, Ton, and I think from 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.800 what I read, ESPN wanted Bob Lee or Stuart Scott. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.000 They wanted one of those guys. Yeah, the role of 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.800 Jim Gray, but Lebron's team, I guess had some relationship 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.320 with him, and Heyegas insisted Jim be the one doing 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.640 the interview. Yeah. I think Jim was friends with Maverick 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:23.040 Carter and and you know what, in fairness to Jim, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.520 he might have come up with the idea. He might 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.760 have because we had Jim on after that. Can we 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.359 check our notes on that. Yeah, because I want to 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.440 give Jim credit. He's certainly been criticized because of this. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.920 I don't think it was Jim's idea to stretch this 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.479 out as long as possible. I mean, I had a 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.279 problem that you know, Okay, now I gotta wait, and 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.200 then I gotta wait, and then here's another feature, and 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.680 here's another feature. I know that you don't want to 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.800 start a TV show and go and I'm taking my 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.880 talents to South Beach and then it's over. But I 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.920 was hoping it would have been a half hour show, yes, Todd, Yeah, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:04.520 from what I'm looking at it with the idea of 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.240 Jim Gray or person Lebron's agent Maverickotta jouring the NBA 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.680 Finals with the idea. Okay, that's I remember talking to 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.480 Jim about that and that they love the idea, and 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.840 that's why Jim was hosting it. But I do think 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.920 that some of the my former bosses that the Mothership 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.119 had a problem that it took that long to get 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.920 to Lebron's decision, And I'm thinking, well, what else were 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.760 you going to fill the hour with? If you didn't 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.320 drag this out a little bit? It just became to 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.320 the point where you're going, Okay, where are you going? 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.640 Like you're excited because we didn't know always he's doing 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.320 this in Greenwich, Connecticut. He's going to the next and 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.520 we're not no, no, not going to the next You're 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.800 not going to win anything there. And so Don Vanatta 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.480 is doing the thirty for thirty and we'll talk to 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.320 him about what are did Dwayne Wade not know that 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.160 Lebron was going to Miami because there is nowhere in 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.840 the world I'll believe that it's your that's your buddy, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.120 like they're friends. I don't think you show it up 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.200 at somebody's house and say I'm going to stay for 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:16.840 three years. Hey, I'm really good friends. Hey, I'm just 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.240 going to knock on Pauli's door on Saturday and I'm 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.119 going to say, hey, I'm moving in for three years. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:28.400 Oh boy, Yeah, I'm taking my talents to Fairfield. Oh 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.119 we'd love to have you. Yeah, I know you would. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.439 I know you would. Jay in Arizona, Hi, j what 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.080 do you have for me today? Hey, gentlemen, five eleven 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.760 one five first time caller, who sees you're taking me? 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.600 I just wanted to call in to make an argument 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.920 for Vince Carter being inducted into the Hall of Fame, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.959 talking about how I don't soon made a cultural impact 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.880 on the NBA, and I also felt like Vince Carter 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.360 did too. I was debating this in my head last night, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.720 and I don't feel like I ever saw anybody dunk 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.000 the basketball like Vince Carter did. I feel like he 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.720 changed the excitement level of the NBA and the regard. Well, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.560 there have been a lot of great dunkers, and you're 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:09.280 probably not old enough Jay to remember Dominique Wilkins, Sean 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.280 Kemp was a great dunker. I mean he had a 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.200 lot of great dunkers. Vince jumped over a seven footer, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:22.240 Frederick Weiss, And I think whenever you watched Vince you 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.800 always thought he could have done more because he had 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.280 all this talent. You know, Iversen was usually the smallest 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.640 guy on the floor, but Vince was spectacular. He's been 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 a great ambassador for the game. He went to two 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.240 final fours when he was at North Carolina. If you 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.520 want to say that, you know negative, you know, he 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.600 didn't win, but he made himself into one of the 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.320 better three point shooters in history. So arguably the greatest 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.120 leaper in NBA history was also one of the great 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.920 three point shooters of all time. And this might be 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.600 one of those where you just accumulate stats and but 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.200 There's part of that is, you know, being able to 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.280 play for that amount of time. I mean he played too, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.600 He's forty three and he played. It's not like he 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.320 embarrassed himself. So I'm I have no problem with Vince 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.640 Carter going in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. I always 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.079 get a little defensive about Dominique Wilkins. People don't give 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.200 him his due. I know he was a scorer and 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.640 a dunker, and he's more known for his dunking. But 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.560 he averaged thirty at age twenty six than he averaged 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.000 thirty at age thirty three. He had a longer window 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.920 of greatness than Vince Carter did in a lot of 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.280 other guys, did I mean he he averaged Luther League 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.520 in scoring a couple of times, average thirty three times 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:42.400 four times. He was a violent dunkery violent, but you 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.440 know that he couldn't get past the Celtics. Yeah, mcclevin. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.600 I got in big debate yesterday, is Vince Carter dunking 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.800 over Frederick Fights the best dunk of all time? And 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.319 I said it was Doctor j Cradle on Michael Cooper, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.280 and then other people brought up Jordan going Baseline on 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.199 Ewing and there were a few that were out there 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.440 on social media yesterday that was all over the place. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.439 I mean, it's hard to remember every dunk, but Tom 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.800 Chambers dunking on Mark Jackson is pretty good. That's why 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.920 are you doing that to your buddy? Well, Mark's not 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.040 up this early. I can do it. I'll hear about 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.640 it later. Here A you're talking about me? No, no, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.240 not really, just your chest where Tom Chambers put his 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.080 foot on your chest. Yeah, Paul, I think my two favorites, 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.280 and even I'm a Bulls fan, I thought John Stark's 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.000 baseline dunking most of the Bulls team left handed in 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.199 the playoffs for the Knicks, that place went insane. That 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.080 was spicy. And he's six three tops. It's spicy. And 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.920 there's Jordan's there, and Pippin's there and horses there. There's 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.920 also one and I don't remember the year and the name, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.839 Kevin Johnson, the Sons he dunked over like I think 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.080 he dunked over Elijuan once. He also dunked over Mark 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.840 Eaton once. And Kevin Johnson's again not even six four. Oh, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:12:01.000 he's Kj's probably six one underrated dunker, Yeah, greatest dunk 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.280 of alt time. Yeah, see the John Stark's dunk. I'm 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.520 not going not to be a but but you are. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.560 I am, well, I'm not pooh pooing, but it's slightly 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.040 overrated as playoff dunk. Right. It is a playoff dunk. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.000 It does put them up by five. It is against 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:25.400 the balls. But he had like a wide open free 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.640 lane to the hoop and got there. There was there 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.520 was actually while somehow he dunked over the entire team 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.400 while no one was playing defense on him. By the 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.839 time he got to the rim. I get there's a 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.839 lot of hands there, but everything leading up to it, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.600 there was nothing. I see what's seem sane because he's 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.880 not over anybody, He's alone in the corner. He's amongst Yeah, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.280 and then he goes in that everybody the defense sort 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.559 of comes crashing from the other side, but they're too late. Okay, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.560 uh yes, Is this the same game where he got 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.319 cold the two for eighteen? No? No, no, no, no no, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.319 it's a different finals. So in my mind I always 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.440 get it too. I'm that Doug was great, but then 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.120 he's a guy who went to freight teen. I was 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:08.520 against Houston. That hurt. Oh, and he kept shooting, and 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.640 I know as a shooter you're told to keep shooting. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.520 It's a time when you go, I gotta stop shooting. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:22.760 I think I've shot enough here Royal in Iowa, Hey Royal, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.640 what do you have for me today? Hey Dan, A 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.000 long time listener, first time caller. You guys were talking 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:36.640 about a comparison between Iverson and Vince and great comparison. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.440 I agree with you on Iverson on that I really 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.200 didn't even have the second guess it. But I think 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.520 the better comparison is Iverson and Tiny all Archibald, which 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.760 I know you'll you'll remember Tiny because we're about the 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:54.000 same age, and I'll take Tiny. I think he was 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.040 for his stretch there. He was as dangerous as anybody 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:03.400 and pretty cool sized Allen Iver said. I know Tiny 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.000 didn't get any titles either, and neither did Iver said, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:12.880 but I'm going with Tiny. Thank you, Royal. Nate Archibald 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:17.400 one of the more underrated players in NBA history, and 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.400 I got to see him. I probably saw seven to 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:27.520 ten games each year, so two years I saw Nate 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:33.920 Archibald play and you couldn't shut him down. He didn't 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.280 back down from anybody. He went left every single time. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.440 He might have been five to eleven because I stood 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.200 next to him because we waited till they came out 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.840 of the locker room to get autographs back then, and 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.720 you saw him and you went, how is that guy 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:53.480 doing it? And he was spectacular, and you go back 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.400 to he led the league in scoring and assist in 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.960 the same season for a team that I think might 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.400 have been a last place too. But he was a 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.560 wonderful talent. But he you know, he played for the Royals. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.680 He eventually got to the Celtics, but he was nowhere near. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.200 It's like Marovich got to the Celtics as well. They 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.080 were nowhere near what they once were. When Doctor Jay 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.400 got to the Sixers, Doctor j was still a force 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:22.720 to be reckoned with. But you know, with Marovich and Tiny, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.720 they were not great players when they ended up with 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:31.480 Boston Celtics. So I would take Iverson because Iverson did 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.800 it on a big stage. And you know, there were 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.080 a lot a lot of other things that went along 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:43.160 with that with Iverson, because the NBA instituted the dress code, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.560 because Iverson and Steve Nash, remember Iverson would wear like 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:52.880 a hockey jersey and Nash would wear t shirts and jeans. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.880 And I remember talking to Nash about that. I said, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.880 you know, Iverson gets all the blame he goes, I know, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.280 don't thank God, because Nash would show up as if 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.040 he was, you know, going to a rager, like he 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.720 flipped flops, and you know, he didn't care. And the 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.400 NBA instituted the dress code, and people thought, oh, you know, hey, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.680 the commissioner's singling out Alan Iverson here and in reality, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.440 and even the commissioner told me, Commissioner Stearn said, Steve 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.280 Nash is the one that he made him think about 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.400 how we're going to dress, how we want our players 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.040 to show up at a press conference. And I remember 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.880 saying at the time, why not show up and be 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.440 able to show off like designers and wear a suit? 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.000 You know, does Nike come up with their own suits 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.760 or Adidas get sponsors? And then years later these guys 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.120 show up as if they're going to Milan, they're gonna 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.640 walk the cat cat walk. D I mean, look at 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:05.600 Russell Westbrook Junior the third He gives more time, more 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.399 thought to what he's gonna wear than improving his jumper. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.760 What what did you just say? Yes, mc clem, they 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.040 did you see yesterday they announced a change that you 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.520 don't have to wear a suit on the sideline at 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.840 the bubble it was a big deal. You can wear 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.280 an NBA polo and said, because I guess there's a 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.920 rule you have to wear a jacket on the bench. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.159 I didn't know that at all. Coaches do players? If 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.120 you're injured, you have to wear a jacket. What, Yeah, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:34.920 that's I'm reading Shams. They loosened the dress code. So 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.480 among the changes are players not being required to wear 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.840 a sport coat on the bench, players being able to 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.399 wear polo shirts for official business, and coaches wearing NBA 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.560 polo shirts. Okay, so and Shams is saying it's like 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.800 going to be Summer League. Look, yeah, I'm just gonna 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.760 say that's what it feels like. Yeah, Todd, but they 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.240 do want them all to wear a Mickey Mouse hears, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.359 which I think, I see what you're doing. Let me 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.359 take a break here. We'll get to more phone calls. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.360 The decision Don Vanetta of the Mothership will join us. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.199 What are some of the questions that were left unanswered. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.480 I'm looking at this quote. I'll save it has to 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.320 do with Dwayne Wade, not knowing about what Lebron was 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.080 going to do with the decision, and the fact that 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.920 why was it held in Greenwich, Connecticut? Twenty after the hour? 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.840 And who knew they had a Boys and Girls club 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.520 of Greenwich, Connecticut. That must be a really nice boys 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:34.840 and girls club. Extra vineyard vines. Next, we'll take a break. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.560 Let's see twenty after the Hour. This is the Dan 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.600 Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.520 Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.320 to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.240 Sports Radio. 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You know, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.240 Daryl Dawkins brought down the backboard with the dunk. I 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.240 don't know if that's on the list for people. Don 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:37.160 Vanatta the ESPN investigative reporter, host of Backstory, and he 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.399 is looking at the backstory of the decision airs Sunday 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:46.120 night at nine Eastern on ESPN and Don joins us. Now, Don, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.400 thanks for joining us. Let me ask you what is 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.720 was more overcovered deflate Gate or the decision? Because you 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.640 were involved in deflate Gate as well. That's a hard 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.040 question to start with, and I think they're probably out 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.280 of equal footing. They certainly enraged different parts of the 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.720 country an equal measure right. The England was furious about 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.320 my coverage of the flake gate and the decision. People 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.280 in Cleveland will never forget it, despite Lebron coming back 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.280 and winning a championship. But a good question. Both both 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.080 upset fan bases more than were there anything? Do you 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.679 know everything about the flate gate that you want to know? Oh? No, 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.280 there's always questions. As an investigative reporter, Dan, there's always 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.080 new questions, there's always new information you could find out. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:32.959 I mean we drew a through line, as you may remember, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.840 to Spygate. So much of what happened with Tom Brady 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.000 and that four game suspension traces back to Spygate and 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.119 the fact that Roger Goodell slapped the Patriots on the 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:48.119 wrist in that scandal, and owners wanted this time with 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.560 the flake Gate for there to be an oversized punishment. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.800 That's really what that was all about. So if we 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.000 didn't have Spygate, tom Brady doesn't get suspended four games. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.880 I don't think so, No, I don't, I mean come out. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.359 It was such a silly scandal, those deflated footballs. But 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.360 there were owners around, the most powerful owners in particular 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.600 like Jerry Jones, that really wanted the Patriots to pay. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:16.480 And Roger Goodell listens to the people like Rooney Goodell Hunt. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.240 Those guys really wanted the Patriots to pay for to 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.159 flake Gate and Tom Brady. And that's what happened. If 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.280 I gave you one question with a truthful answer coming 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:29.800 from Tom Brady, what would you ask? What would I 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.240 ask Tom Brady? I would ask Tom Brady how many 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:39.080 games does he think he won? Based on Spygate. The 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.200 Spygate scandal was far greater than we ever knew. Remember, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.520 Jeff Pash, the General Council of the NFL, was provided 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.560 by the Patriots only three or four spygate tapes. That's 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.560 all the Patriots said there was. And when he was 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.199 given them in Foxborough, Jeff Pash crunched them under his 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.240 wingtips and got rid of the evidence. And our story 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.719 that I did back with Seth Whittersham that're referring to, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.479 there was at least forty games that the Patriots use 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.000 spying techniques. So I would ask Tom Brady how many 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.680 games did you win? Did you win a Super Bowl 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.359 based on information given to you through spying on opposing 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.320 team signals? I remember the last time the commissioner was 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.719 on this show, that might have been how many years ago, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.560 palling like seven, seven or eight, seven or eight, and 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:26.480 I said, why would you destroy tapes? Spike? He goes, well, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.679 there's no reason for him, And I'm thinking, okay, Like 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.240 it was such a strange answer that he was like, yeah, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.960 of course we destroy it. I don't know, don't they 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.080 have a storage bin where they keep all the things 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:42.080 that you know or NFL films would want something like 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.959 this absolutely, And remember the NFL took the word of 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.800 the Patriots that this was the only evidence of this scandal. 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.960 There was really no real investigation that was ever conducted 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:55.800 a spy gate. It was wrapped up within a week. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.879 They just wanted it to go away. And this was 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.119 only the first year of Roger Goodell's commissionership, and Bob Kraft, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.320 the owner of the Patriots, helped Fidell get his job. 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.120 The whole thing stunt, all right. The reason why we're 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.639 having you on is backstory of the decision that airs 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.240 this Sunday night at nine Eastern. I'm looking at a 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:17.520 quote here with Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade telling Rachel Nichols 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.680 of ESPN, Lebron kind of went into his cave, went 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.320 radio silent, kind of had to deal with his own process. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.040 But we were a little nervous on the other side, like, wait, 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:30.040 are we still in this? Did Dwayne Wade know that 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.280 Lebron was coming to Miami? Sounds like a cover story, 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:38.440 doesn't it. What Dwayne told Rachel Nichols. These guys had 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.600 talked about playing together way back in two thousand and six, 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.840 when Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, and Lebron James were teammates 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:47.920 on the World Championships team, and again in two thousand 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.119 and eight when they were teammates on the Olympics team. 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.440 They could have signed five year max deals. Instead, all 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.760