Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it has
Speaker 1: always bara. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar Evan
Speaker 1: texts me and because in so many words, he's worried.
Speaker 1: He is worried about the offense, worried literally since the
Speaker 1: snap after that text.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's all because me.
Speaker 1: They have been locked ever since you sent that text.
Speaker 1: You fixed the offense.
Speaker 2: With that text. You're giving me credit.
Speaker 1: We might have to get well just you did it,
Speaker 1: but then it was me. But then the next day
Speaker 1: they got off to a little bit of a slow start.
Speaker 1: You texted me again. And then mac Jones said his
Speaker 1: best practice he's had since the Giants practice is rookie year.
Speaker 1: So just keep sending the text. Okay, that's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to. This whole season comes down to, Well,
Speaker 1: Evan keep sending those tests.
Speaker 2: I guess that was why the last couple of days
Speaker 2: haven't been as good, because I didn't send you the text.
Speaker 2: The offense was not doing well. Sure well I will.
Speaker 2: I will say that. You know I say that, and
Speaker 2: I don't want people, Oh my god, the offense is
Speaker 2: due fine on a panic button here everybody. But I
Speaker 2: do have a take about the offense that I think
Speaker 2: is my big take, you know, my opening monologue take
Speaker 2: at the show. We'll get to that here in a second,
Speaker 2: but it's Alex barth Evan Lazar with you. Patriots catch
Speaker 2: twenty two, next hour and thirty or so hour hour thirty.
Speaker 2: We'll see how long we go. Buddy can jump on
Speaker 2: the phone lines. Already, people jumping on the phone lines. Alex,
Speaker 2: eight five five.
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with this being a call heavy show.
Speaker 2: Eight five to five, PATS five hundred web radio at
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com is the email address if you want
Speaker 2: to jump in on the emails. We'll read some of
Speaker 2: those as well. But here here's my opening take of
Speaker 2: where things stand currently at this hour, twelve practices into
Speaker 2: the Patriots training camp, and believe it or not, just
Speaker 2: over twenty four hours away from the first preseason game.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, as I was walking down here
Speaker 2: to our radio studio that you know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: going on in the tunnels right now and things around
Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium live here getting ready for tomorrow. And it
Speaker 2: dawned on me playing football tomorrow like this is we
Speaker 2: we just really cruised right through the first twelve practices,
Speaker 2: basically two weeks of practice here at Gillette and along
Speaker 2: with my other big take away from the last week
Speaker 2: or so it was, you know, been about a week
Speaker 2: since we've been on the air on this program. This
Speaker 2: is where the men separate themselves from the boys. All right,
Speaker 2: So at this point, and Alex you can speak to
Speaker 2: this as well, this has all been set in the table.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, and some of my takes my today
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna go you know, I wrote something on
Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com seven takeaways from the last three days
Speaker 2: of practice. That's some of the things I'm going to
Speaker 2: go off of here to just kind of pilot this
Speaker 2: show here facilitates, as you would say, But the big
Speaker 2: thing is this is where the men separate themselves from
Speaker 2: the boys. The first twelve practices to me, are all
Speaker 2: setting the table for the two weeks to joint practices
Speaker 2: in the three preseason games. As excited as I am
Speaker 2: about some of the player the younger guys as some
Speaker 2: of the rookies, and we'll get to that here in
Speaker 2: a little bit, I don't think that any of it
Speaker 2: has really gotten to the point with any of these
Speaker 2: guys where I feel like, besides maybe Christian gon Zales,
Speaker 2: this guy has superstar stud potential. Yeah, this is all
Speaker 2: about setting yourself up for a roster push, maybe a
Speaker 2: role push for certain guys when it really gets real,
Speaker 2: which is what's gonna happen over the next two weeks.
Speaker 2: So that's number one point number two, twelve practices into
Speaker 2: training camp. I know your station, Alex loves to talk
Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks. We like talking about the quarterbacks too.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the quarterbacks, and that's certainly a major storyline,
Speaker 2: But at this hour, twelve practices in the biggest storyline
Speaker 2: surrounding the Patriots right now is the offensive line, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's particularly close. Quarterback. I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna be okay. There are they gonna be great? Maybe not.
Speaker 2: They'll be good enough. They'll be good enough. Receiver from
Speaker 2: what we've seen. If you put all the receivers together,
Speaker 2: wide receivers, tight ends, even backs, I would say good enough. Again,
Speaker 2: we're we're at least getting seazed to get degrees at
Speaker 2: this point at those two spots coordinating.
Speaker 1: We both know exactly what that looks like.
Speaker 2: Coordinator a a so far for Bill O'Brien in my book,
Speaker 2: the one the one place where I have to say
Speaker 2: twelve practices and that has not looked pretty on that
Speaker 2: side of the football is the offensive line, and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to press the panic button. And I
Speaker 2: don't want to press the panic button on the line
Speaker 2: because this is better than me coming in and saying
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, Cole Strange, David Andrews, Mike Onwenu and let's
Speaker 2: call or McDermott or Riley. Really, let's save both those guys.
Speaker 2: It's better than me coming in and saying those guys
Speaker 2: are getting their butts kicked in practice, because that's all
Speaker 2: you got, right, that's your group, and if those guys
Speaker 2: can't block anybody, then you're really in trouble. So in
Speaker 2: some ways I feel a little bit better about the
Speaker 2: fact that this is essentially the B squad along the
Speaker 2: offensive line.
Speaker 1: In some cases, I think it's the C squad that's
Speaker 1: been generous. Yeah, and it hasn't looked good. And I
Speaker 1: think the last three practices in particular, since Judaan has
Speaker 1: been back, it has really not looked good. And I
Speaker 1: think the big thing is is that it's gotten in
Speaker 1: the way of the consistency that we saw with the
Speaker 1: offense last week at Wednesday and Thursday practice, the offense
Speaker 1: was really clicking. They were moving the They were not
Speaker 1: only moving the football down the field a little bit
Speaker 1: more with each day, but they were hitting at a
Speaker 1: pretty high rate, like we're talking about you know, Mac
Speaker 1: going like twelve for eighteen in practices and you know,
Speaker 1: really having a very few incompletions or miscommunications or anything
Speaker 1: like that. At these last couple of days, we've seen
Speaker 1: some of the flash as Mike is SICKI one handed catches,
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker walked it off. Was that Sunday on Jack
Speaker 1: Jones on the deep ball down the left sideline. But
Speaker 1: it hasn't been consistent because they can't block anybody. I
Speaker 1: again my panic meter on this am I pressing the
Speaker 1: button yet. No.
Speaker 2: I think we need to talk about some of the
Speaker 2: contingency plans though, of how they can make this work
Speaker 2: and piece this together. Mainly, it's health. Health is the
Speaker 2: biggest one. We all know that if they have their
Speaker 2: interior three cold Strange Andrews and Onwenu healthy and out
Speaker 2: there and ready to go for Week one against Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: I'm not that concerned because that way there, if there's
Speaker 2: not interior pressure on mac Jones, I think he'll be
Speaker 2: able to handle the edge pressure a little bit better.
Speaker 2: If it's coming from everywhere, or really, what the bigger
Speaker 2: problem is is when you just don't know where it's
Speaker 2: going to come from. Right, you have too many weak
Speaker 2: links and it could be coming from here, could be
Speaker 2: coming from there. If he can rely upon the shelf,
Speaker 2: that's what you know, the three guys up front in
Speaker 2: the interior. If he can rely on the shelf to
Speaker 2: set the depth of the pocket, then I think he
Speaker 2: can navigate it and step up in the pocket, quick release,
Speaker 2: you know, all the things that Brady used to do
Speaker 2: to mitigate really good edge rushers. The game protector correct,
Speaker 2: I'm not as concerned, But at the same time, it
Speaker 2: has the right tackle spot is a major, major red flag.
Speaker 2: And I understand people that also aren't one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten percent convinced that Trent Brown is going to be
Speaker 2: a good player, or I should say, consistent player for them.
Speaker 2: Last year big time peaks and valleys for Trent. He
Speaker 2: had some really good games, he had some really bad ones.
Speaker 2: They need Trent to be more steady. Whether it doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily need to be all pro every single week, but
Speaker 2: they just need him to be steady at left tackle.
Speaker 2: So where they go with this offensive line is a
Speaker 2: big one. I think at this point I am more
Speaker 2: I am more inclined to say that the offensive line
Speaker 2: is going to be there their downfall than quarterback or
Speaker 2: receiver talent. And you know me, I with DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 2: and some of the other moves that they made this offseason,
Speaker 2: I've been all over the number one receiver thing. I've
Speaker 2: talked a ton about Mac and how if he's going
Speaker 2: to be able to elevate it the offense and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I don't know if I'm really twelve practices
Speaker 2: in as concerned about all those things as I am
Speaker 2: about the offensive line. I know the quarterbacks are sexy
Speaker 2: to talk about. The skill positions are also fun to
Speaker 2: talk about, and we will, But to me, that's the
Speaker 2: biggest storyline right now is are they going to be
Speaker 2: able to figure this out along the offensive line? And
Speaker 2: I think we can go over like I mentioned a
Speaker 2: couple of different configurations, but I just wanted to get
Speaker 2: your take on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's been my take since May really has been.
Speaker 1: If anything undoes this offense, I hope people want to
Speaker 1: want to complain about Mac Jones, but Mac Jones is
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. It's not gonna be the quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the coaching staff. It's not even
Speaker 1: gonna be the receivers. The receivers are they're fine, they're fine.
Speaker 1: If anything undos this offense, it's gonna be the offensive line,
Speaker 1: in specifically the tackle position. To your point, they'll get
Speaker 1: healthy in the middle, and honestly, even if they don't
Speaker 1: get healthy entirely, I trust the backups in the middle
Speaker 1: more than I trust the backups to tackle. Like Antonio
Speaker 1: Mafi has shown me something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, come on a little bit.
Speaker 1: Jason Hines has come on a little bit, so like
Speaker 1: they have something in the middle there, whereas I really
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable about Riley Reeve. Connor McDermott is limited,
Speaker 1: and after that, I mean, you're just guessing. Andrew Stuber's
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't played football in a year. City sow
Speaker 1: is or City which which one was it? Again? So
Speaker 1: City So is a totally developmental player and could be
Speaker 1: a player down the road.
Speaker 2: But he's a project rough camp for city. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so urban city as we call it.
Speaker 1: PU Okay, it's it's been uh, it's it's really kind
Speaker 1: of a mess attackle right now, and that is gonna
Speaker 1: be if if anything undoes, then it's gonna be that.
Speaker 1: And I know you said, well, yeah, I know you said,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about combinations. Yeah, I still think the conversation
Speaker 1: needs to be there about Mike go and WINU. Yeah,
Speaker 1: going back out to right tackle, because let's get.
Speaker 2: To that in a second.
Speaker 1: I would just say, as much as I was convinced
Speaker 1: that that was the right answer coming into camp, I
Speaker 1: feel even stronger now that's that's the best option.
Speaker 2: So I definitely am with you at this point on that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was ever against you, but
Speaker 2: I'm strongly with you now. But I first want to
Speaker 2: talk about the guys that they are playing at tackle.
Speaker 2: I think Riley Reef has been better in pads than
Speaker 2: he was in the spring in the first couple of
Speaker 2: days of camp, so I'll give him that, But every
Speaker 2: I still maintain with him. He's he's solid in a
Speaker 2: phone booth, like if he doesn't have to move his
Speaker 2: feet a ton and he doesn't have to get out
Speaker 2: on an island in pass protection, and he can just
Speaker 2: play the game in like a two by two box,
Speaker 2: then he's gonna be fine. Yeah, but you can't play
Speaker 2: tackle in a two by two box. That's not the position.
Speaker 2: The position that's a guard, right, it's not tackle. So
Speaker 2: that's a big part of it with Reef. But I
Speaker 2: do think that his power and his ability to anchor
Speaker 2: and things like that have held up okay better now
Speaker 2: that I would have thought about him. Maybe, I don't know,
Speaker 2: eight days ago or something like that. Connor McDermott has
Speaker 2: completely fell into a rut. I don't know what is
Speaker 2: going on with Connor McDermott, And I hate singling out
Speaker 2: individual guys and and and being negative, but he's had
Speaker 2: he must have nightmares about josh u Ja at this point.
Speaker 2: He he cannot handle josh U J's speed. He goes
Speaker 2: right around him every single time, whether it's one on ones,
Speaker 2: it's team Judaan, same thing right around him. Uh. And
Speaker 2: then cityso has been.
Speaker 1: He's a project player.
Speaker 2: What's a nice word to say, He's a project City
Speaker 2: So has Has is a project player. Yeah, but let's
Speaker 2: let's leave it at that. So you're looking at those
Speaker 2: three guys, and I I was a little bit optimistic.
Speaker 2: He has the measurables. He's a good athlete that maybe
Speaker 2: City So is going to be a Mike on WINU,
Speaker 2: right like we all I think we all thought Mafi
Speaker 2: would be that. But I'm just talking about in terms of, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe he has some upsidee yeah, it can play. I
Speaker 2: no longer think that twelve practices and I don't think
Speaker 2: Citi Show is a factor in any of this. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think if City So doesn't turn it around, that
Speaker 2: he's a prime Foxborough flu candidate. I would also say
Speaker 2: maybe the same about Jake Andrews, who has struggled as
Speaker 2: well in camp. So you mentioned Mafi, and uh, they
Speaker 2: really like Cody Russy as well, Russie. I think it's rusy.
Speaker 2: They really like Cody Russi as well. So maybe he's
Speaker 2: a player that can play at guard and then, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, I know that he's kind of forgotten
Speaker 2: along with Andrew Steuber sometimes who also has been up
Speaker 2: and down. By the way, but chasing Hines the last
Speaker 2: two practices in pads is starting to get it a
Speaker 2: little bit better in one on ones. Better in the
Speaker 2: run game marginally, But I've seen a little bit of
Speaker 2: something out of him compared to some of the other practices.
Speaker 2: And he's bigger and longer than some of these other options.
Speaker 2: He's he's like six three three ten. He's a bigger
Speaker 2: tackle or bigger guard excuse me, than somebody like Mafi
Speaker 2: who's just built like a stout brick. So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think that your guard depth because you made it
Speaker 2: this way, but that's ship is sailed. Yes, your guard
Speaker 2: depth is better than your tackle depth right now. So
Speaker 2: I know they've been reluctant and they've been steadfast. Matt
Speaker 2: grow got up there before the draft right saying that
Speaker 2: we like on at guard, we're gonna keep him. I
Speaker 2: mean that's going back to last year. I think Bill
Speaker 2: said it. Yeah, I know they want to keep on
Speaker 2: Oney at guard. But at this stage, when hopefully big
Speaker 2: Mike gets back out there and gets off pup, not
Speaker 2: only does it make sense for them as a team,
Speaker 2: but you can sell it to him pretty easily. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: contract here, dude, You go play right tackle at a
Speaker 2: high level in a contract year, maybe the rest of
Speaker 2: the league starts looking at you as a right tackle.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're looking at a at a
Speaker 2: pay day, a pay.
Speaker 1: A couple more million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's an easy sell for him.
Speaker 2: So Mafi Russy, Russie Hines, if one of those guys
Speaker 2: can show well in joint practices, put some good preseason
Speaker 2: film on tape, then maybe maybe they allow you to
Speaker 2: do that, and I would feel a lot better. You know,
Speaker 2: from left to right about Trent Strange Andrews. Let's call
Speaker 2: it Mafi on WHU then I think I do right now,
Speaker 2: Trent Strange Andrews on when McDermott or Reef just based
Speaker 2: off of what we've seen, but I got to see
Speaker 2: it on film. And that's the best part about the
Speaker 2: preseason games to me is the offensive line play. You
Speaker 2: can't review practice film, so it can sometimes get lost
Speaker 2: in the in the in the trees in there in
Speaker 2: practice and it's hard to kind of evaluate it live.
Speaker 2: That's why one on ones are so valuable. So I
Speaker 2: think that it can be fixed. And if you have
Speaker 2: one weaker spot, and especially if it's a guard that's
Speaker 2: really easily protected or schemed.
Speaker 1: Around, rather a guard than whole tackle.
Speaker 2: And it's if it's just one spot. Bill O'Brien and
Speaker 2: and Adrian Clum will figure that out. So that's why
Speaker 2: I'm not hitting the panic button yet, because this isn't
Speaker 2: their group. If Trent Brown was a turnstile and Cole
Speaker 2: Strange didn't look like he was taking that next step forward,
Speaker 2: and David Andrews looked at his age or was starting
Speaker 2: to look older or something, then I would say, oh crap,
Speaker 2: like this is there. These are their guys and they
Speaker 2: can't block anybody. Not getting too crazy about like the
Speaker 2: fact that James Farrens is not holding up against Christian Barb's.
Speaker 1: Is it crazy to say we basically haven't learned anything
Speaker 1: at the Offensive because that's what happened. I'm where I
Speaker 1: was when camp started, maybe a little more down because
Speaker 1: the two guys we have I've seen Riley Reef and
Speaker 1: Conor McDermott, really Reef, those are the two guys I
Speaker 1: think we've seen more in anybody, and they've struggled. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think a part of the offensive
Speaker 1: line conversation was will, how does Trent Brown look? We
Speaker 1: haven't seen him a ton can't answer that is Cole
Speaker 1: Strange taking that year too. Jump haven't seen him, can't
Speaker 1: answer that, so there's some uncertainty there. But what we
Speaker 1: have seen, the limited amount we have seen from the
Speaker 1: guys that figure to be factors, has not been good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, all right, A couple more things and
Speaker 2: then we'll get to the phones and the emails. I
Speaker 2: want to talk about the quarterbacks. I'm sure we'll talk
Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks throughout the show in some capacity, but
Speaker 2: I know that this show and I don't want to
Speaker 2: necessarily lump you in here, Alex, but we sometimes come
Speaker 2: off a little bit as pro macll I at least
Speaker 2: myself and last year certainly talking you know about Mac.
Speaker 1: I'm pro being right. I'm just saying what I think
Speaker 1: is going to end up being correct.
Speaker 2: Fair, But I feel like some people, you know, come
Speaker 2: at me. I'll give mack hank whatever. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: objectively speaking, there's nothing to do with my feelings on
Speaker 2: it whatsoever. The last six practices since we've been on
Speaker 2: the air on the show, Macaz out played Zaby. He
Speaker 2: just simply has and Zapi, I actually think, in some
Speaker 2: ways has regressed. I don't know what's going on with
Speaker 2: him with the side arm stuff in the in the
Speaker 2: underneath throws. I think that still can I tell you
Speaker 2: my theory on that, Yeah, you can. I still think
Speaker 2: throw for throw put it differently. I still think down
Speaker 2: the field they're about equal. Like, I don't think either
Speaker 2: one of them is significantly ahead of the other in
Speaker 2: terms of like playmaking or down the field throw making.
Speaker 2: In terms of like dropping dives, I think they both
Speaker 2: can drop some dimes at the same rate if you will.
Speaker 2: Down the field. The smaller stuff like hitting the layups,
Speaker 2: the underneath throws, the timing to the short and intermediate
Speaker 2: and accuracy really I think is even more important than
Speaker 2: the timing accuracy to the short and intermediate area, and
Speaker 2: how just the field book pre snap. I think all
Speaker 2: that really has favorite Jones pretty much since the second
Speaker 2: week a hand.
Speaker 1: As it should, as we've expected with Zappi, the big
Speaker 1: problem for me and I actually thought he had a
Speaker 1: really good start to camp and practice. He had whatever
Speaker 1: it was, day four, whenever that Sunday was.
Speaker 2: That Sunday practice, Yeah, he looked really good.
Speaker 1: And since then the since then the issue has been
Speaker 1: the past deflections, and that goes back. It was an
Speaker 1: issue last year even when he was playing well, balls
Speaker 1: are getting knocked down on the line of scrimmage, balls
Speaker 1: are getting knocked down at the catch point. I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's why he's doing more of the release points
Speaker 1: stuff to try to throw the ball around defenders.
Speaker 2: That was my theory as well.
Speaker 1: But that feels like an over compensation, yeah, because if
Speaker 1: you're going to destroy your mechanics, then it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Because now you're seeing him misthrows and he's over three.
Speaker 1: He's been overthrowing a lot, and I think that's why,
Speaker 1: because he's changing his mechanics. He knows he's going to
Speaker 1: put more on the ball, right, and so that it's
Speaker 1: a little concerning because I think as as much of
Speaker 1: an issue as the past deflections were. Overall, he's playing
Speaker 1: fine and it's nobody's perfect. Just kind of work your
Speaker 1: way around it and play your game. And it was
Speaker 1: true early in camp when he struggled. He had a
Speaker 1: couple of practices when he was good. But it's it's
Speaker 1: it's feeling like that again that he's just he's he's
Speaker 1: trying to be more than himself. He's not letting the
Speaker 1: game come to him. He's he's pushing himself a little
Speaker 1: too much and it's it's hurting him. So I'd like
Speaker 1: to see what we'll get. I think we'll get a
Speaker 1: good look at him on Thursday night. I'd like to
Speaker 1: see him as dumb as this sounds, just relax, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just go out there and throw the ball. Just go
Speaker 1: out there and play catch.
Speaker 2: Both cornerbacks are susceptible to relaxing, you know, to getting
Speaker 2: a little bit in their own heads.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But we're not gonna see mac thirst yay, So
Speaker 1: I just want to see Bailey's appy. Go out there
Speaker 1: and play catch. Just go out there, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: in the words of Drew Bledsoe, just go out there
Speaker 1: and sling it right, have fun and and.
Speaker 2: It's good advice for both these guys.
Speaker 1: When he did that on Sunday, like you could tell
Speaker 1: he was loose, he was in it, you know, he
Speaker 1: was letting the game come to him and it was working.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't gone back to that as much since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's made some of the the better downfield throws
Speaker 2: in the camp. Yeah so far. You know, the one
Speaker 2: to trade Nixon I think is probably still the best,
Speaker 2: the best throw down the field, But the inconsistency in
Speaker 2: the first and second level throws is actually surprising to
Speaker 2: me because he's a pretty accurate guy. Like he's somebody
Speaker 2: that can control the ball. This is we're not talking
Speaker 2: about somebody that that you know, just can't hit the
Speaker 2: broadside of a bar, like he usually has pretty good
Speaker 2: accuracy and control, even going back to college. But he's
Speaker 2: had I think you're right. I think he's experimenting with
Speaker 2: some different arm angles, some different vision sight lines and
Speaker 2: things like that to try to see around the offensive
Speaker 2: line and get the ball around defenders. And maybe that
Speaker 2: mechanically has thrown him off a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope that he plays better tomorrow night too, because
Speaker 2: right now, I just don't think it's particularly close, and
Speaker 2: it's not about the drama between Bill and Mac or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: Although as somebody points it out on I forget where
Speaker 1: I saw the other day. But Bill Belichick has also
Speaker 1: not said Bailey's appy's name, in addition not saying Mac
Speaker 1: Jones's name.
Speaker 2: I got to be honest, quarterbacks, I gotta be honest
Speaker 2: with you, and this is this is no inside information,
Speaker 2: So don't please don't, like, you know, syndicate this or something.
Speaker 2: I don't think that Bill is crazy about either of them.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's crazy about the quarterback position in general.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's that. I think he understands,
Speaker 2: like you know, like we we listen to him gush
Speaker 2: about like Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson, and you know,
Speaker 2: as much as everybody kind of think thinks that it's
Speaker 2: still not real for some reason, Brady right like, you know,
Speaker 2: you hear him talk about those types of guys. That's
Speaker 2: why I don't think that this has anything to do
Speaker 2: with personality or anything like that, any of the drama
Speaker 2: that people try to make it about, because I don't
Speaker 2: I think he kind of looks at both of them
Speaker 2: the same in terms of their their makeup or or
Speaker 2: they're who they are, you know, as as athletes. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think that he's like crazy
Speaker 2: about either one, to be honest, But I think that
Speaker 2: at the same time, I think that there is a
Speaker 2: push organizationally that you use this first round pick on
Speaker 2: Mac Jones. You did him no favors last year. He
Speaker 2: was on the right trajectory after his first season week
Speaker 2: in debate whether or not how good he really was
Speaker 2: as a rookie, but he was certainly good enough as
Speaker 2: a rookie.
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs, and.
Speaker 2: You have more invested in mac Jones, you just simply do.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, if it's not
Speaker 2: going to be, if Sappy's not going to go out
Speaker 2: there and light up practice and significantly outplay mac Jones,
Speaker 2: where you have no choice but to make a change.
Speaker 2: It's going to be really difficult organizationally to walk away
Speaker 2: from a fifteenth overall pick heading into year three and
Speaker 2: say we're gonna go with this kid from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's the right approach. It's way
Speaker 1: too early based off what he showed you in twenty
Speaker 1: twe and we've talked about this to cut bait on
Speaker 1: him and give up when he essentially has had one
Speaker 1: real year. Last year was not a real year.
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of way too early, I'm gonna just throw
Speaker 2: some water on on on something that I know that
Speaker 2: some people are gonna get annoyed with this, and maybe
Speaker 2: even you that I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Guy, if you're going where I think you're going.
Speaker 2: We got a chill with the rookie receivers.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought I was close. I was close.
Speaker 2: We got a chill. We got a chill, just hear
Speaker 2: me out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we got chill tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I mentioned off the top that this is where we
Speaker 2: separate the men from the boys. In my opinion, Da
Speaker 2: Mario Douglas especially, but also a little bit Kaishawn Booty
Speaker 2: as well. Both those guys have set the table to
Speaker 2: give themselves opportunities to really make a push, not only
Speaker 2: to make the roster, but maybe in Douglas's case, I think,
Speaker 2: have a role on this team this year. But in
Speaker 2: terms of talking about either one of those guys as
Speaker 2: real whatever you wanted to call it, starter, impact player,
Speaker 2: top three receiver, whatever phrase terminology you want to use.
Speaker 2: I've seen this movie before, I've learned from past mistakes
Speaker 2: on these types of things. Until the games and the
Speaker 2: joint practices start, all of this is just appetizers, and
Speaker 2: you have to you have to take it with a
Speaker 2: grain of soul in that respect. And the main thing
Speaker 2: is and just with Douglas, because I think Booty's still
Speaker 2: he's he's popped a little bit. Nope, you know, jumps aside,
Speaker 2: he's popped. But it hasn't been quite as consistent as
Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas. With Douglas in particular, he has twenty
Speaker 2: three catches through twelve training camp practices. Nineteen of them
Speaker 2: have been from Bailey's abbey, So he's not We used
Speaker 2: to do this with Brady right, And the big one
Speaker 2: I always remember was Austin Carr, And I think Tomorrow
Speaker 2: Douglas is a better player than Austin Cars. But Austin
Speaker 2: Carr caught like all of his passes in that camp
Speaker 2: that everybody was raving about how good Austin Carr was
Speaker 2: from the backup quarterbacks. He never caught a pass from Brain.
Speaker 1: But we've seen to Mario Douglas. To Mario Douglas has
Speaker 1: tortured ma because Jones in this camp hees he is.
Speaker 1: And that's it. We all think Marcus Jones a good
Speaker 1: corner and I'm not changing my opinion on that. I
Speaker 1: believe he's a good cornerback. We've seen Marcus Jones be sorry.
Speaker 1: We've seen Tomorrow Douglas be Jack Jones. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: that a couple of times. I if you want to say,
Speaker 1: temper the expectations, like I see people say, oh, what
Speaker 1: are his Rookie of the year odds? Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: calm down. I see that.
Speaker 2: I also see like starter, Like you want to call
Speaker 2: that a top three weeks.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'd say he has. We're two weeks into this,
Speaker 1: We're two weeks into this five week process, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: he has checked every box to this point. That is
Speaker 1: the way I look at it. He has not done
Speaker 1: anything to this point to lead me to believe this
Speaker 1: is fake. Now, if he comes out tomorrow night and
Speaker 1: just isn't a guy like just has a bad game,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe we need to slow down and revisit them.
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying it's fake. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: I'm still in the camp that we're talking about him
Speaker 2: making the team.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think he's making the team.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're talking about him having a big
Speaker 2: contribution yet. So there's Troy Brown said, too small of
Speaker 2: a sample side.
Speaker 1: But but what I will say is there's this second
Speaker 1: part to that that we can get into because it's
Speaker 1: not part of his rise up. The proposed depth chart
Speaker 1: isn't just him, right, although we've seen him, you know,
Speaker 1: in practice the last couple of days kind of take
Speaker 1: on more of a role. But I think when you
Speaker 1: have a guy that again he's checked every box. It
Speaker 1: was you know, first was all right, Well, like, let's
Speaker 1: just see how he looks as a player. All right,
Speaker 1: really good route runner, he's explosive, cool, but he's small.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens when the pads come on and
Speaker 1: he's out there throwing his body around and he's setting
Speaker 1: blocks and he's you know, breaking off routes at the
Speaker 1: top through coverage. All right, he's checked that box. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the preseason game, you're gonna have joint practices.
Speaker 1: Those are gonna be more boxes. But he keeps checking
Speaker 1: those boxes. And he hasn't done anything yet. Correct me
Speaker 1: if we're wrong. Has he done anything yet that you
Speaker 1: can point at that and say that's why he won't
Speaker 1: be an NFL player?
Speaker 2: No? But because But what I will tell you is
Speaker 2: is that you all can take your one on ones
Speaker 2: and seven on sevens and throw them out the door.
Speaker 2: I do not care that to Mario Douglas is undefeated
Speaker 2: in one on ones. It's irrelevant, It doesn't it's not
Speaker 2: real football. But but you see what kind of runner.
Speaker 2: You see the movement? Absolutely, But what's going to happen
Speaker 2: when that corner is playing underneath him, and then the
Speaker 2: safety is playing at the at the intermediate level a
Speaker 2: robber defender, and then the next defender is at the post.
Speaker 1: He's getting his Is he going to be able to
Speaker 1: run through three guys? If he's getting that kind of attention,
Speaker 1: that's excellent.
Speaker 2: But it's not about just the like that's just the structure, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's just NFL football, so and one on ones
Speaker 2: is just not.
Speaker 1: But we don't know. I'm not going to blame the
Speaker 1: guy for something that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not either. I'm not blaming him.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a chance to check that. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I think the hype is valid because he
Speaker 1: checked every box at this point. I think there needs
Speaker 1: to be an understanding within that hype that there's a
Speaker 1: long way to go. Yeah, but I totally think the
Speaker 1: hype is valid. Kaishun Booty is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a different situation. He's more high floor high ceiling, lol
Speaker 1: floor just because he's not a six.
Speaker 2: Kashan Booty has done exactly what I expected, was have
Speaker 2: these like isolated flashes where you're like, oh, there is
Speaker 2: freshman year Kai Shan Boudie again, but it's it's not
Speaker 2: consistent like Douglas. Douglas has consistently been open when he's
Speaker 2: been out there. Whether it's against the twos or whatever,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. And you also see the quick twitch.
Speaker 2: You see the route running, you see the change of direction.
Speaker 2: You see that. I mean the route that he ran,
Speaker 2: and I just crapped all over one on ones, but
Speaker 2: like the route that he ran against Miles Bryant yesterday,
Speaker 2: and one on ones was absolutely discussed.
Speaker 1: But that's my point that you look at that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that I'm looking at the one on ones
Speaker 1: and saying he won all his one on ones. He's
Speaker 1: an NFL player, Yeah, But what you do look at
Speaker 1: is you look at and you say that is an
Speaker 1: NFL route. Yeah, that is a route that can beat
Speaker 1: an NFL cornerback. And when's the last time that a
Speaker 1: younger you were saying that about on a regular bas.
Speaker 2: And of course I just went on this whole thing
Speaker 2: about one on ones irrelevant and I'm going to credit
Speaker 2: him for a one on one, but you were the
Speaker 2: best part of that route was the little peekaboo that
Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, because the he we knew he can
Speaker 2: move the like his feet. He's fast, he's got bursts,
Speaker 2: he's got quickness. But that little detail at the top
Speaker 2: of the route to headfake like he's gonna go out
Speaker 2: and then break it off back to the inside. That
Speaker 2: that's what sold the route. That's what made the route.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it shows up on his tape at Liberty.
Speaker 1: He's a very nuanced detailed I remember one thing I
Speaker 1: watching again, this is like super nuanced. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw his shoulders. Yeah, when he runs the route,
Speaker 1: he sells things his shoulders like he can sell things
Speaker 1: with his shoulders incredibly. Well, that was the one thing
Speaker 1: that stood out to me. So no, I look, I
Speaker 1: still think that he can I think he can play.
Speaker 1: I think he's an NFL player. I mean I'm comfortable
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, to what extent of an NFL player?
Speaker 1: Is he top of the depth chart? Guys? He rotational guy.
Speaker 2: That's only just that's my only point.
Speaker 1: It's look, it's too soon to know that I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he is. There isn't. I'm saying it's too soon
Speaker 1: to know. But I'm not going to hold it against
Speaker 1: him that it's too soon to know I'm not holding
Speaker 1: it again, you're holding it against him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm not holding it holding it against the fans.
Speaker 2: I'm holding against the hype, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to like I'm not trying to attack anybody for
Speaker 2: for hyping him up. I'm trying to just I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be a realist with people like you come, you
Speaker 2: come and listen to our show, and we're not gonna
Speaker 2: tell you like about Malie Cunningham, like I know you
Speaker 2: probably will, but like in a you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna sit here and say like this this
Speaker 2: guy or that guy. We're trying to tell you what's
Speaker 2: real and what's not, what's actually going to translate, what's
Speaker 2: actually going to make an impact. And I'm convinced at
Speaker 2: this point of camp that de Mario Douglas should be
Speaker 2: on this football everything that, But I'm not convinced of
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 1: But I've seen a bunch of things that I know
Speaker 1: will translate. Everything he's done looks like it's going to translate.
Speaker 1: It's just to what extent. But given their history wide receiver,
Speaker 1: just as a six round pick in general, I think
Speaker 1: getting that far is worth getting a little excited about
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit it you hate fun,
Speaker 1: you you're a little excited. There we go. I'll take
Speaker 1: that you're a little excited. Well, I think the other
Speaker 1: the other reason I started with this started for us
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. And I'm not trying to toot
Speaker 1: our own horror. People were tweeting about at me about
Speaker 1: this yesterday.
Speaker 2: But he saw it.
Speaker 1: We knew, but we My point is that now, no,
Speaker 1: come on video, you're gonna make you look try to
Speaker 1: get a fist bump us. Do you remember.
Speaker 2: So there's my point about bringing up the Shrine bol
Speaker 2: is not to not to pat ourselves in the back.
Speaker 2: My point about bringing up the Shrine Bowl is is
Speaker 2: you talk about checking boxes. He was open all day
Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl against granted draftable guys, not necessarily
Speaker 2: guys that are going to make NFL rosters across the board,
Speaker 2: but certainly guys that are going to be that were drafted,
Speaker 2: that are are competing for fifty three man roster spots
Speaker 2: across the league. So that that was the first box.
Speaker 2: And he goes to the combine and he runs like
Speaker 2: a four to four box, checked right and now he
Speaker 2: comes here to the Patriots and and has been great
Speaker 2: every step of the way that he possibly can be.
Speaker 2: He's going to make the Patriots roster. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we can say that now. I just I'm trying to
Speaker 2: temper expectations of the impact he's gonna have on Sundays.
Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced that he's going to be what
Speaker 2: everybody is hoping and dreaming that he's going to be.
Speaker 2: I and it's not against him, it's just the realness
Speaker 2: of the of the way camp.
Speaker 1: But you're also not saying he's not going to be that.
Speaker 1: You're just saying it's too early to tell. Because people
Speaker 1: are going to hear that. People are going to hear that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, somebody on YouTube said, you're the
Speaker 1: greatest fensitter of all time. People are going to hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying and think that you're saying he's not good,
Speaker 1: and it's it's I'm with you, it's too soon to tell.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you want to enjoy the ride,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with enjoying your ride. Just don't you know,
Speaker 1: Thursday's a big Night's a big night for him.
Speaker 2: My biggest thing is is. I just don't want people
Speaker 2: to all the media hype him up, all camp like,
Speaker 2: where's the Mario?
Speaker 1: But here's part of different.
Speaker 2: He goes in and has like it doesn't play all
Speaker 2: un healthy scratch.
Speaker 1: But here's part of the reason. He's different too than
Speaker 1: some of the guys in the past. You've heard players
Speaker 1: hype him up. Dietrich Wise, who's a defensive lineman, was
Speaker 1: hyping him up. Marcus Jones was very compliment What are
Speaker 1: they supposed to say, We've got a bunch of good receivers.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they always say.
Speaker 2: You get sucks? Like, what do you mean, like.
Speaker 1: I asked, so I was. We actually talked go ahead.
Speaker 1: We talked to Douglas yesterday and he was talking about
Speaker 1: how the Patriots coaching staff is taught him how to
Speaker 1: read the ball as punt returner. So I I because
Speaker 1: I'm curious about Bryce Barringer. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: what is the like catching the ball off Brice's foot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he started, he goes, oh, he's and then he
Speaker 1: call himself. He goes, we have two really good punters.
Speaker 1: That is what they've done for years. What is he
Speaker 1: supposed to say? What is sped say when askepect from
Speaker 1: our Douglas, Yeah, we got a lot of good receivers.
Speaker 1: The rookies are working hard. That's what they've always said.
Speaker 1: That's always been the line. You know this, Evan, It's
Speaker 1: always been the line. There's a little bit more buzz
Speaker 1: from the players than to Mario Douglas then there typically
Speaker 1: is for rookies a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I'm going to say to all
Speaker 2: this buzz from the rookies when we go to Green
Speaker 2: Bay next week. If JayR is telling me that Tomorrio
Speaker 2: Douglas can play, I'll be.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, but that happened.
Speaker 2: If you're just if I mean JayR Alexander from the
Speaker 2: Packers is one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna cover him because he's gonna
Speaker 1: be he's not a slot corner.
Speaker 2: Well he'll see him, all right, and that's enough for me.
Speaker 2: Like if JayR Alexander comes off the practice field and
Speaker 2: somebody from the Patriots contingent, you know, media contingent out
Speaker 2: there in Green Bay says, hey, Jayra, what what do
Speaker 2: you think about sixty on the Patriots.
Speaker 1: He's gonna say they got a bunch of good and.
Speaker 2: He says he says that that boy nice or that
Speaker 2: guy shouldn't be sixty.
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm either it shouldn't be sixty at
Speaker 1: that point. My hot take is I really need to
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas to wear eighty because I need Troy Brown
Speaker 1: to pass the baton. But it hasn't happened yet. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying is enjoy the ride. But I will say
Speaker 1: here's I've enjoyed the ride up to this point. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it. It's just getting a little crazy.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 2: It's I I just so.
Speaker 1: So here's part of the reason I think with Douglas
Speaker 1: in particular, it's getting a little out of hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where we have to bring Taekwon Thornton in
Speaker 1: because I think there was this believe coming into camp
Speaker 1: that even if Taekwon wasn't great, there was going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit of leash. And there was gonna
Speaker 1: be a little bit of leash. Who's gonna have a
Speaker 1: little more room to develop for two reasons. One, he
Speaker 1: was the fiftieth overall pick a year ago. It's too
Speaker 1: early to quit on that. In Two, even if he
Speaker 1: was the fourth receiver behind Parker, Smith, Schuster and Born.
Speaker 1: He was gonna play because that's how they were gonna
Speaker 1: get the speed on the field. And we weren't sure
Speaker 1: there was any other way they were gonna get the
Speaker 1: speed on the field. Well, now there might be another
Speaker 1: way they can get the speed on the field. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that Douglas has to be amazing to,
Speaker 1: you know, beat out Thornton. If Thornton can't make it
Speaker 1: work with mac Jones and Douglas gives you that speed element,
Speaker 1: all that there is like kind of pushing Thornton in
Speaker 1: the lineup is that fiftieth overall pick and that's gonna
Speaker 1: dry up real quick, that that kind of cushion. So
Speaker 1: that's why I think there's so much hype for Douglas.
Speaker 1: It's not just that he's been good. It's that there
Speaker 1: is a very direct line, like I can see, all right,
Speaker 1: it's not to be good. This is how he's gonna
Speaker 1: earn playing time. He's gonna play in a role like this.
Speaker 2: But let's face it, let's face it, we all are
Speaker 2: I'm not taking myself out of this rookie wide receiver
Speaker 2: Pops and Patriots training camp is an easy headline that
Speaker 2: that gets.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a long Yes, there's a long way to go.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: Saying the hype is just getting a little crazy with Taekwon.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let's have it. None of them work out, No, No,
Speaker 1: because it's important. None of this is going to get
Speaker 1: None of them work out until one of them does.
Speaker 1: And it's it's they need the speed on the field.
Speaker 2: If Douglas is going to give them the speed, that
Speaker 2: the sixth round pick is going to be the one
Speaker 2: that ends up.
Speaker 1: Over the second round pick. Yes, but if they need
Speaker 1: to get the speed up there is And this is
Speaker 1: part of the reason too, when we're.
Speaker 2: Draft the skills set in the second round, like this
Speaker 2: is just not.
Speaker 1: That okay, But we don't need to revisit that. It's
Speaker 1: just not this is This is why there's more hype
Speaker 1: around around Douglass than Booty. And this is why Douglas
Speaker 1: is getting so much of the hype because Taekwon Thornton's
Speaker 1: had a bad camp on top of his good camp,
Speaker 1: and it is very easy to draw that line and
Speaker 1: it's looked like it. We talked last whatever was last week,
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. About how if you want to say
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are competing, that's different than saying there's a
Speaker 1: quarterback competition, because a quarterback competition is a very specific
Speaker 1: set of circumstances where both players are rapping with the
Speaker 1: same players against the same players, splitting the reps, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening right now with Taekwon Thornton and to
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas. It started like three or four days ago.
Speaker 1: They're competing for that fourth wide receiver spot. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean Douglas has won it. That doesn't mean he's gonna
Speaker 1: win Rookie of the Year. So don't tell me that
Speaker 1: there's still a long way to go, because yes, I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: But Jamar Chase Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: But it feels like they're giving to Mario Douglas a
Speaker 1: chance to prove he's better than Taekwon Thornton and earned
Speaker 1: that fourth spot. Will he do it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why we still have two weeks to go, But
Speaker 1: will you agree to that, Tomoro Douglas has gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where he's kind of neck connect with Taekwon
Speaker 1: Thornton right now and one of those guys is gonna
Speaker 1: win that fourth receiver spot.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think they're different, so I I in
Speaker 2: my brain, I have a tough time talking about it.
Speaker 1: They're different, but they're not incredibly different.
Speaker 2: The Mario Douglas to me, is not a field stretcher.
Speaker 2: Horizontally maybe, but he's not a vertical field stretcher.
Speaker 1: They don't have the luxury I think of nitpicking that.
Speaker 1: I think it's literally just they need speed on the field.
Speaker 2: That's he's right, But he's to me what we have seen.
Speaker 1: Although he was a field stretcher in college.
Speaker 2: He was I don't know if that's gonna that might
Speaker 2: have been a liberty thing. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: gonna work out.
Speaker 1: That's fair, but like he you could try it, at
Speaker 1: least you could try it.
Speaker 2: But like he's like mid four fives or four fours
Speaker 2: excuse me, Like a four four four I think is
Speaker 2: what he ran.
Speaker 1: I think he ran like a four four one.
Speaker 2: Uh it's that's not four two eight's it?
Speaker 1: Well, So this is to your point of there's still
Speaker 1: time left. I want to see him Thursday night. I
Speaker 1: want to see him against the Packers. We we know
Speaker 1: he can do the underneath stuff.
Speaker 2: I knew you're gonna I knew you're gonna be pissed
Speaker 2: off at me.
Speaker 1: For having Let's let's see if he can do some
Speaker 1: of the vertical stuff I thought you're take was going
Speaker 1: to be. It's too soon a quote on Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second. Let's take some
Speaker 2: of these calls. I people have been hold on hold
Speaker 2: for a while. We're definitely gonna talk Taekwon though. All right,
Speaker 2: John is in Louisiana. What's up, John? John? A Hey, hell, Hey,
Speaker 2: sorry for that leaving you on hold for so long.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: That's all good. First, I was just going to give
Speaker 3: you all your calls, and I'm a big pan of
Speaker 3: the podcast. Thank you actually having you just tweeting me
Speaker 3: back on whether I was giving your flowers about.
Speaker 2: The Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my question is what's the new offensive coordinator?
Speaker 3: As the weapons? Do you think we're going to be
Speaker 3: a run to pass the ball or a pass to
Speaker 3: run the ball. And my last question is, if you
Speaker 3: had one dast stake, would you think Devin mccordy or
Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmore but that's that's all I got got.
Speaker 2: Okay that that last one is a tough one, John,
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. So run to pass, pass to run.
Speaker 2: I still think at his roots that Bill O'Brien wants
Speaker 2: to air it out.
Speaker 1: Well, he wants to throw the ball air it out.
Speaker 1: I think of more as like a deep Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still think he wants to throw the ball.
Speaker 2: I think it ideally to him would be like between
Speaker 2: thirty five and forty attempts a game for Mac Jones
Speaker 2: in his dream scenario. Will Bill the other Bill allow
Speaker 2: him to throw the ball that much is a totally
Speaker 2: different discussion then. Obviously, of course, it's all about success
Speaker 2: and failure, right. You know, if if they're throwing the ball, well,
Speaker 2: then they can keep throwing the ball. If they're not,
Speaker 2: then they're gonna have to change.
Speaker 1: Well there's is it O'Brien or Belichick who talks about
Speaker 1: the screen being extension of the run game?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I usually Belichick.
Speaker 1: Ok So maybe that's the short passing game, the horizontal
Speaker 1: passing game, screen game shirt certainly will all be part
Speaker 1: of that. But I wonder if that's how O'Brien sells it. Yes,
Speaker 1: and throwing the ball.
Speaker 2: That's twenty eleven Patriots, right, that's you know, we're going
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to to Wes Welker and it's
Speaker 2: going to be a three yard pass that he's going
Speaker 2: to turn into an eight yard pass and the eight
Speaker 2: yards per attempt on that throw is going to be
Speaker 2: better than the four yards per attempt we're going to
Speaker 2: average on the ground, right, And that's that's that's that
Speaker 2: entire offensive philosophy. I still think that they're gonna incorporate
Speaker 2: a ton of run actions, whether it's play action, RPO,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, to keep the defense honest.
Speaker 2: But are they gonna be like last year they were
Speaker 2: run first team twenty one the ground and Pounty run
Speaker 2: first team in twenty one as well. Are they gonna
Speaker 2: be that? I don't think ideally, But again, it all
Speaker 2: comes down to how well they throw the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna dictate that. Gilmore versus mccordy, I that's
Speaker 2: a tough one because clearly, and I love Devin mccordy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: peak Stefan Gilmore was a better football player, and it's
Speaker 2: than Devon.
Speaker 1: It's also you know that shutdown corner if I'm building
Speaker 1: a defense. That's where I'm starting. Yeah, like I I
Speaker 1: just as as a defence and I love Devin. And
Speaker 1: if you're so, if you're telling me, if I have
Speaker 1: to win one game, it's it's Steph. Because if I'm
Speaker 1: building a defense, I want that shutdown corre. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me, like I'm starting a team, yeah, Devon's leadership.
Speaker 1: Not that Steph wasn't a good leader, but Devon's leadership, Like,
Speaker 1: I consider that, but it's just give me the shutdown
Speaker 1: corner all day. Like that's that. That's you start with
Speaker 1: a quarterback on offense, You're starting with a shutdown corner
Speaker 1: on defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, how David in Rochester?
Speaker 2: We've been to Rochester.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, there's it going.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 4: Hey, So I had a running back question, and then
Speaker 4: I had something for Alex. I think Alex might like
Speaker 4: to Okay, I start with the Alex thing. All right,
Speaker 4: So Alex, I think I speak for everyone here cash
Speaker 4: twenty two listeners when I say that we need more
Speaker 4: kicker and punter talk.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to what thinks. I love that good point.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: Uh So my running back thing it was actually more
Speaker 4: in free agency. Why do you think that the hole
Speaker 4: Ezekie Alliott Dalvin Cook thing has gone completely silent? Are
Speaker 4: we waiting for what the Jets are going to do?
Speaker 4: Or are we just waiting to see what we have
Speaker 4: in Strong and Harris. I'll take it off the.
Speaker 2: Air, Thanks David and h. Yeah, Alex can do special
Speaker 2: teams on his own time, which I will give him
Speaker 2: time on a show. I have actually a take on
Speaker 2: that question too. I just had talked about this yesterday
Speaker 2: with felgerham Maz. I think so there's two reasons. I
Speaker 2: think the veteran running back market's gone quiet, and he
Speaker 2: kind of alluded to it.
Speaker 1: One. I think Ezekiel Elliott, Leonardourette they're waiting for Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: They want to let him see the first which my
Speaker 1: whole conspiracy theory about how they were saving to announce
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook signing on Hard Knocks didn't pan out, But
Speaker 1: I think those guys want to see the market set.
Speaker 1: He actually got the second reason too. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: the Patriots do need another running back, but they need
Speaker 1: that guy for a week one of the regular season.
Speaker 1: They don't need that guy now. They've got two young
Speaker 1: backs and Kevin Harrison, Pierre Strong who didn't play a
Speaker 1: ton last year. Why take reps away from those guys
Speaker 1: At this point, I think that they've wanted to drill
Speaker 1: those guys a ton, and not just so they can
Speaker 1: get better, but also to evaluate and see because if
Speaker 1: one of those guys emerges is a true number two back,
Speaker 1: now you don't need Ezekiel Elliot or Leonard Fournette. Now
Speaker 1: maybe you just go sign c J. Marobble as your
Speaker 1: SFL guy they worked out. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: marablel or Mayor, but you go sign him as just
Speaker 1: your depth back, and hey, Pierre Strong or Kevin Harris
Speaker 1: takes over for Damian Harris' is that true number two?
Speaker 1: If neither of those guys emerge, then all right, you
Speaker 1: know you still got invaluable reps. And how long do
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette really need to get going for
Speaker 1: the season. A week, two weeks? So I think after
Speaker 1: that Green Bay game is when they're gonna look at
Speaker 1: it and say, all right, we've got them evaluated through
Speaker 1: two games, two joint practices. Here's where we believe those
Speaker 1: two are at. We need another guy, and that's when
Speaker 1: they make the signing as it stands right now, I
Speaker 1: still I think they need to add one of those
Speaker 1: veterans because I don't think Harris are strong have been
Speaker 1: bad in camp, yeah, but I also don't think they've
Speaker 1: been good. They've just kind of been there. Neither one's
Speaker 1: really popped, and they do need a second a number
Speaker 1: two back who's gonna give you something because ramondra Stevenson
Speaker 1: could not be a three hundred touch guy again this year.
Speaker 1: He got burnt out by the end of the year.
Speaker 1: He can't have that happen two years in a row.
Speaker 1: I still really would like to see them at Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad about Leonard Fournette, but I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised that they're taking their time with it again. I
Speaker 1: think like a week from now is when that conversation
Speaker 1: really starts to pick up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm fully with you on on the timing of
Speaker 2: it all, so I won't haven't necessarily need to go
Speaker 2: into that again. But I think the biggest thing with
Speaker 2: for the second year guys and what we've seen out
Speaker 2: of them in practice. One, I will give them the
Speaker 2: out that if your offensive line isn't creating the holes
Speaker 2: in practice, and it's kind of difficult for you to
Speaker 2: pop as that's fair.
Speaker 1: But like the big thing for them that Bill's talked
Speaker 1: about this is in past.
Speaker 2: Pro they just but they haven't really.
Speaker 1: They haven't had a ton of chances to do.
Speaker 2: And that's why not even Remandre has really broken off
Speaker 2: any like real big runs in practice.
Speaker 1: Well, but and that's but that's what I said. We'll
Speaker 1: see these games, We'll see the joint practices.
Speaker 2: It's also difficult to evaluate, especially guys like Kevin Harris
Speaker 2: who's like a bowling ball, Like you're not gonna his
Speaker 2: physicality and stuff like that is not going to translate
Speaker 2: necessarily in practices where they're not tackling through the whistle
Speaker 2: and tackling to the ground as much. And they do
Speaker 2: the tackling drills and some periods are are quote unquote live,
Speaker 2: but we're not talking about game type of reps now.
Speaker 2: I the more that we get, you know, I love
Speaker 2: Pierre strongly. I'm a peer strong guy. I want to
Speaker 2: see Pierre Strong with the football in his hands as
Speaker 2: much as possible, you know, not obviously as a number
Speaker 2: one guy, but just as a role player. To get
Speaker 2: that speed on the field and get him in the
Speaker 2: open field with that speed. With that being said, there's
Speaker 2: clearly a really good chemistry between Jones and Remandre in
Speaker 2: the passing game. He looks to Remandre a ton Mac does,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I think that that's not always the you know,
Speaker 2: these little checkdowns and dump offs, like do those on
Speaker 2: your own time. But at the same time, like they'll
Speaker 2: he'll look at the if he gets Vermandre on one
Speaker 2: of the linebackers like not like a true linebacker. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about like one of the safety hybrids, a
Speaker 2: true line He's going there nine times out of ten.
Speaker 2: So I think the chemistry that he has with Romandre
Speaker 2: in the passing game is a factor. And all this
Speaker 2: so with all that being said, I do wonder if
Speaker 2: it becomes more about Kevin Harris or potentially Zeke Elliott
Speaker 2: or Leonard Fournette, then it does about a passing game
Speaker 2: player merging and taking that away from Vermondre. And obviously
Speaker 2: the passing game player would be Pierre stronger, like a
Speaker 2: healthy time Montgomery, because maybe they look at it and
Speaker 2: they say wanta instead of Vermondre carrying the ball what
Speaker 2: he had seventy catches roughly last year. So instead of
Speaker 2: him carrying the ball two hundred times, if we can
Speaker 2: get that down to one hundred and fifty one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five so that he can still play on
Speaker 2: third down, Yeah, he might be their best third down
Speaker 2: back still, and so instead of he's cutting into the
Speaker 2: early down work is the point. And if that's gonna
Speaker 2: be the case, then it's gonna be Harris, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be Zeke, it's gonna be one of these other bigger backs.
Speaker 1: That Although I'm also still a lot of post to
Speaker 1: them doing a drive for drive thing like they tried
Speaker 1: to do last year, I still think that should be
Speaker 1: on the table. But the problem is they need that
Speaker 1: second back who can do that. I think that they
Speaker 1: which would be Fournette.
Speaker 2: I think that Vermondre is too good. Like I think
Speaker 2: that they look at Rimandre as a true bel cow
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they're gonna unless they unless
Speaker 2: it's Dalvin Cook, I don't know if you're gonna get
Speaker 2: your tat. I think that they're gonna look at everybody.
Speaker 1: There's a reason not every team does that. It's because
Speaker 1: it's it's super hard to have the personnel. But if
Speaker 1: Fournette could maybe maybe you go two drives for Remondra,
Speaker 1: one for Fournette and it's not one for one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that they might be looking again
Speaker 2: at more of like a Damien Harris guy than elevating
Speaker 2: Pierre Strong to the James White role and having him
Speaker 2: cut into the snaps that way.
Speaker 1: Right, Somebody in the chat says Mac doesn't look to
Speaker 1: throw the running back enough.
Speaker 2: Okay, that had seventy catches last year. How many more
Speaker 2: catches do you want to have? All right?
Speaker 1: It says he looks to him last.
Speaker 2: Okay, Devon is in New Hampshire. What's up, Devon?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: All right? Mark is in Connecticut. Mark, I missed you
Speaker 2: at practice the other day. I apologize, But what's going on?
Speaker 6: Hey, Evan, No, it's all good. I know you're a
Speaker 6: busy man. It's all good.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: I saw the sargere over there. We gat it with
Speaker 6: him for a little while.
Speaker 2: But there you go.
Speaker 6: Anyway, running back, I was going to talk to you
Speaker 6: about that, but you guys kind of already, you know,
Speaker 6: intervene on that. But I'm still a fan of Denario
Speaker 6: pop Douglass. I still think he's gonna make the roster,
Speaker 6: and I think he's actually gonna be a pretty good
Speaker 6: impact player. Wanted to get your take on that because
Speaker 6: it seems like it kind of putting them down a
Speaker 6: little bit.
Speaker 2: Now, I know, I know. Thanks for the call, Mark
Speaker 2: and for listening. As always, I'm not trying to I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to put him down. He's done everything right.
Speaker 2: He's done everything right. Alex is right about that. He's
Speaker 2: checked every box. He's done everything right. We all see it.
Speaker 2: It's all tangible that you can see the quick twitch,
Speaker 2: you can see the burst. I think, especially at the
Speaker 2: top of the route's really there as well. But he's
Speaker 2: really developed, and Marcus Jones talked about this yesterday, the
Speaker 2: early stages of the route. He's getting even better at that,
Speaker 2: like to release the stam setting it up, you know, salesmanship,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing that's come along really nicely for
Speaker 2: him as well. I think he's an NFL player. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna make the fifty three man roster. I
Speaker 2: just need to see it against better competition, more significant
Speaker 2: raps than than just regular training camp practice, joint practices,
Speaker 2: preseason games. That's when I'm gonna find out, if to
Speaker 2: Mario Douglas is a dude. I know de Mario Douglas
Speaker 2: is a fifty three man roster player, But is he
Speaker 2: a guy? I don't know yet.
Speaker 1: He is a guy. We don't know if he's a dude. Sure,
Speaker 1: he is a guy.
Speaker 2: They love, love, love Juju, Parker and Born. They love them.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna take a lot, I think to take
Speaker 2: those three off the field for this coaching staff in
Speaker 2: eleven person.
Speaker 1: But again, to go back to the point I think,
Speaker 1: and there is, there's got to be an understanding that
Speaker 1: there needs to be a speed element.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, like, you know, I agree with that,
Speaker 1: right and looks it's football. It's an unfortunate reality. Those
Speaker 1: three guys aren't all playing seventeen.
Speaker 2: Games, not especially not Parker and Juju.
Speaker 1: Right they're not, So you're gonna have to And if
Speaker 1: they do play all seventeen, it's probably because they're managing
Speaker 1: their workload and they're mixing in a fourth receiver on
Speaker 1: a regular basis. So again I think it's Dornton and
Speaker 1: Douglas battling for that fourth spot right now. And again
Speaker 1: there's I will admit with you, there's a long way
Speaker 1: to go. I think some people already have Douglas as
Speaker 1: the guy in Thornton off the roster. It's too soon
Speaker 1: for that, but it is trending towards at least Douglas
Speaker 1: winning that. So let me ask you this though, to
Speaker 1: go back to because you've got a lot of people
Speaker 1: worked up about that. When is the last time? Because
Speaker 1: so people go back to last year we had that
Speaker 1: whole thing with little Jordan Humphrey and Trey Knicks and
Speaker 1: a Christian Wilkerson. Remember, but like and we were talking
Speaker 1: about them as like maybe being something. We were not
Speaker 1: talking about them as definitively Samara Ducks. It was almost
Speaker 1: by elimination. We just figured they were going to carry
Speaker 1: a fifth wide receiver and those are the best options.
Speaker 1: When's the last time you remember a Patriots rookie receiver
Speaker 1: just to this point, there's a yes, there's a way
Speaker 1: to go to this point. When's the last time you
Speaker 1: remember a Patriots receiver having this complete of a camp?
Speaker 2: I mean not in my time covering the team.
Speaker 1: And that's the point, that's where the excitement comes from,
Speaker 1: because that's totally fair. It does look different than it too.
Speaker 2: I just we talk about this all the time. I
Speaker 2: have made mistakes evaluating players in camp in the past.
Speaker 1: You're no, you're a little gun shot.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use his name because it's not
Speaker 2: fair to Maurice Harris that we always throw him under
Speaker 2: the bus, all right, but the point being is.
Speaker 1: That you're a little gun shy buying in on a
Speaker 1: fast player because he's fast, and a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys just have good training camps like
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and it doesn't always it doesn't always stick.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's not going to stick. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying again, I don't know if he's a dude yet.
Speaker 1: I know he's a guy, I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: a dude. And so here's why I think this one's
Speaker 1: a little different. Maurice Harris. Some of those other speed guys,
Speaker 1: they fell off when the pads came on. You could
Speaker 1: see it. Douglas didn't yet. That's well, the pats have
Speaker 1: been on. He's been good at this point, has been
Speaker 1: on like five prask well, at this point it would
Speaker 1: be more bad. I think it's more realistic. He falls
Speaker 1: off against like other teams competition that it's just the
Speaker 1: pads like I've seen enough that I believe he can
Speaker 1: handle contact. That's my point is, and that's fair.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Taekwon for a second, because we're talking.
Speaker 2: We're talking a lot about the receivers. Anyways, when it
Speaker 2: comes to Taekwon, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm
Speaker 2: super disappointed. I'm upset. Yeah, I'm upset. And a reason why.
Speaker 1: Another that you got burned on him in the spring.
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm upset about Taekwon is because injuries aside, Like,
Speaker 2: let's just let's just talk about when he's been out there, right,
Speaker 2: the injuries and and all that stuff aside, Let's just
Speaker 2: focus on when he's actually been out there. I think
Speaker 2: he's gotten open. I think he's gotten open, and he's
Speaker 2: doing it against the twos, which you need to add
Speaker 2: that context. It's not always against Christian Gonzales one. Yes,
Speaker 2: don't don't tell me about one on ones anyways.
Speaker 1: In five minutes he'll be talking about how they matter.
Speaker 2: That's fair. Uh, he has gotten open. What's disappointing about
Speaker 2: Taekwon is he cannot freaking finish through contact to save
Speaker 2: his life. And that's so frustrat because they need this
Speaker 2: speed element, and I mentioned that Tomorrow Douglas is a
Speaker 2: little bit different. I think Tomorrio Douglas's role with this
Speaker 2: Patriots team is what we have grown accustomed to seeing
Speaker 2: out of that quick twitch slot role. And he's faster
Speaker 2: in a straight line than some of the guys that
Speaker 2: have been in that role in the past. You know,
Speaker 2: He's not he's He's faster than Needel Minner or Welker
Speaker 2: or a Moondola or one of those guys. He's probably
Speaker 2: more in like the Troy Brown Dion Branch mold. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Deon Branch is a solid com but he's
Speaker 2: to me, he's not He's not a take the top
Speaker 2: off burner like Taekwon could be. And we've seen Taekwon
Speaker 2: do it a couple of times. The throw that that
Speaker 2: really frustrated me, and I just I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: like this is just this is getting to a point
Speaker 2: now where I don't think he might ever be able
Speaker 2: to do this. He ran a post corner against Josh
Speaker 2: Bledsoe got yeah, okay, like five yards of separation. He
Speaker 2: was open, wide open, Bailey zappy under throw it. He
Speaker 2: flat out under through the pass. I'm getting too flat
Speaker 2: out under through the ball, no doubt about it. But
Speaker 2: Tayekwon adjusted to the underthrown ball, came back to it,
Speaker 2: elevated above Joshua bloed cell and had the ball on his.
Speaker 1: Hands for a beat. He had the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands for a beat, and then when he brought it down,
Speaker 1: he left it out like a loaf of bread and
Speaker 1: allowed Joshua blood Still to just.
Speaker 2: Knock it out of his hands for an incomplete pass.
Speaker 2: He's not going to win with physicality, we know that.
Speaker 2: But he is six foot three and the fact that
Speaker 2: he cannot win, it's not about winning like DeVante Parker's
Speaker 2: style jump balls. Go watch a lot of these speed
Speaker 2: guys around the league, and as much as Tyreek Hill
Speaker 2: might get five yards behind the defense once every two
Speaker 2: weeks or something like that, he also is able to
Speaker 2: get a step and then finished through the con attacked
Speaker 2: at the catch point. If you can't do that and
Speaker 2: you're only relying on the times where you actually just
Speaker 2: blow by the defense and beat everybody by five yards,
Speaker 2: then you are are You're gonna be a situational like
Speaker 2: sparingly targeted player. What separates the deep threats in this league?
Speaker 2: What separates guys like Tyreek Hill from guys like Philip
Speaker 2: dor said, is that they can finish at the catch
Speaker 2: point and he can't finish at the catchpoint. So what
Speaker 2: good is It's such a waste of talent because he
Speaker 2: can get open, he just can't finish the play.
Speaker 1: There was another play, this was the same practice, I
Speaker 1: think was this Monday. I think it was a Bundy
Speaker 1: where he got open in the end zone. Like we
Speaker 1: talked about the red zone struggles at the beginning, he
Speaker 1: got to open in the end zone. And I mean
Speaker 1: it wasn't a perfect throw from Zappy. It wasn't between
Speaker 1: the numbers. It's a little off his frame, but it
Speaker 1: was like it's a fine throw. You wouldn't look at
Speaker 1: it and say it's a bad throw. But he had
Speaker 1: to go away from his frame and catch it. So
Speaker 1: he goes out, he catches the ball, but he can't
Speaker 1: bring it into his body. Rodney Randall gets over and
Speaker 1: just hits him with his shoulder like in the side,
Speaker 1: like you know, very normal football player. Give them a
Speaker 1: littleholder check and Thornton dropped the ball. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: it's again that thing where catching through contact as a
Speaker 1: hands catcher Look, it's been the Patriots history at wide
Speaker 1: receivers obviously very convoluted and complex, and it's very hard
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, what kind of guys do
Speaker 1: work here, because it's been so hard to find that.
Speaker 1: The answer to that to Mario Douglas, Yes, well, if
Speaker 1: there is just draft to Mario Douglas in the second
Speaker 1: freaking round, sorry, that would have been uh uh tank Dell.
Speaker 1: If just just like you know what skill set works, okay,
Speaker 1: but so just take that skill set and drafted from
Speaker 1: a power five or from like a top one hundred prospect.
Speaker 1: Why why do they do this? Why it just to
Speaker 1: let me finish my point if there is one individual
Speaker 1: skill so the three cone in the agilities won another one.
Speaker 1: And I don't think this gets talked about enough. If
Speaker 1: you go back to Dion branch through, you know there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys here. Julian Edeman who's great at this,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is great at this, Moss Gronk obviously, uh
Speaker 1: Welker hands catchers. So what that means is like a
Speaker 1: body catches a guy when he catches his ball, he
Speaker 1: brings in the body. That's why he makes the catch.
Speaker 1: Hands catchers. You can go out, you can catch the
Speaker 1: ball away from your frame, and even if there's contact,
Speaker 1: your hands are strong enough to hold onto the ball.
Speaker 2: I'll give it to Keishan Boody. He's a good hands,
Speaker 2: good hands catcher.
Speaker 1: That's another. Mikeasicki is a guy who's looked like a
Speaker 1: really good hands catcher early in this practice, in this camp, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton not a hands catcher remotely. And that's a
Speaker 1: that's a a focus. It's it's a balanced thing, and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a play strength thing. And we know
Speaker 1: his play strength isn't great. We've known that, and it
Speaker 1: was something you'd hope would get better going into a
Speaker 1: second year. That hasn't been. And when you have an
Speaker 1: accurate quarterback like mac Jones or you know, this is why,
Speaker 1: this is why these guys worked with Tom Brady, because
Speaker 1: when the quarterback knows you can go away from your
Speaker 1: body and make the play, it essentially increases the window
Speaker 1: he is to throw the ball. That might open up
Speaker 1: some windows that don't otherwise exist. Mac Jones can capitalize
Speaker 1: on that, not to the level Brady could, but he
Speaker 1: can capitalize on that right exactly if you can't go
Speaker 1: away from your frame to catch the ball, and away
Speaker 1: from your frame doesn't mean to the side, it also
Speaker 1: means up in Taekwon being six to three, if you
Speaker 1: can't go away from your frame to catch the ball,
Speaker 1: that doesn't do the quarterback a lot of good. And that,
Speaker 1: to me is what's been more discouraging about Taekwon than
Speaker 1: anything else. It's been his hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been extremely disappointing that because you see, like
Speaker 2: on the Bloodsteat play that I described, he's six three
Speaker 2: and he's got a pretty good wingspan, so he goes
Speaker 2: up to catch the football and you're like, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty high level.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, and I know you hate it,
Speaker 1: but we've talked about this. That's going to be a
Speaker 1: big part of their offense this year. Vertical separation, low key.
Speaker 2: Climbing the ladder with t with with tall reek right like,
Speaker 2: you're getting up there, but he can't hang onto the football.
Speaker 2: And I think the difference is and this is why
Speaker 2: I look. I I probably was was the last one
Speaker 2: that that believed anything in Nikil Harry also, but with
Speaker 2: Nikil Harry, he was stiff, he was slow, he couldn't
Speaker 2: run routes.
Speaker 1: Like you another guy that wasn't a good hand catcher.
Speaker 1: But we saw it like almost right away that this
Speaker 1: guy just didn't move at a first round level. Like
Speaker 1: it just he wasn't explosive, he wasn't a good route runner.
Speaker 2: He couldn't change. It was just he wasn't an NFL
Speaker 2: athlete like people thought he was. I think Taekwon Thornton's
Speaker 2: an NFL athlete. I think Taekwon Thornton's speed is legit.
Speaker 2: I think it's difficult to win to when.
Speaker 1: He and that That's why I'm as much as I
Speaker 1: just kind of dug into him, I'm not ready to
Speaker 1: give up on him yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all those things are legit. It's the
Speaker 2: details that are just not there with him in the hands,
Speaker 2: the ability to you know, the route running in the
Speaker 2: in the fundamentals of route running, in terms of the IQ,
Speaker 2: like all those types of things. The other veteran guys,
Speaker 2: and I know he's only in the second year, but
Speaker 2: you want we can watch it against like Parker Juju Born,
Speaker 2: like those guys are just so far and away better
Speaker 2: at the catch point, yeah than Taekwon is. It's so
Speaker 2: obvious watching them play football on a day to day
Speaker 2: basis in practice. And that's why it's so frustrating with
Speaker 2: Taekwond because he does the hardest part. The hardest part
Speaker 2: is getting open. Yeah, he does the hardest part. He
Speaker 2: just can't do. He can't do the rest of it.
Speaker 2: He he wins on ninety five percent of the route,
Speaker 2: but it's the last five percent that he just can't
Speaker 2: close the deal. Yeah, And if he can develop that somehow,
Speaker 2: it's not about like adding muscle to his frame.
Speaker 1: It's it's but that would help at the catch point
Speaker 1: because if you have stronger hands, it's easier to hold
Speaker 1: onto the ball through contact.
Speaker 2: So but that is part of Maybe it's the small risks.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a small ruce.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just got no restraint. It's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: we're joking, but we're not.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's frustrating to watch because you watch
Speaker 2: him run by these guys and he ran a he
Speaker 2: beat Isaiah Bolden and seven's a little stutter and go
Speaker 2: and he caught it. But he caught it in the
Speaker 2: bread basket, which is totally different than what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there you go, like that's doable.
Speaker 2: The post corner should be like a a patented Taekwon route,
Speaker 2: that should be something that is a foundational I'm a
Speaker 2: four to two eight guy. You can't cover me on
Speaker 2: this and he got open and yeah, and in an
Speaker 2: ideal world, would ZAPPI have led him into, you know,
Speaker 2: down the field and he would have walked into the
Speaker 2: end zone. Yeah, of course. But still that again, it's
Speaker 2: not always going to be perfect conditions, right, and we
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time with the quarterbacks themselves,
Speaker 2: that it's not always going to be perfect conditioned. So
Speaker 2: that's your Taekwon man. I'm not ready to give up
Speaker 2: on Taekwon. I don't think you are either, but certainly
Speaker 2: in terms of playing time, it's getting to the point
Speaker 2: where he's the fourth guy at best. At this point, I've.
Speaker 1: Given you that whole take about you've got to do
Speaker 1: what's best for mac Jones and if having Tomorrow Douglas
Speaker 1: on the field, and I think Mac Jones really likes
Speaker 1: Tomorrio Douglas, if having from his hometown, if if he's
Speaker 1: a legend his hometown, Max said, and we know Taekwon,
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of miscommunications with them here so
Speaker 1: far the summer. If Tomrio Douglas being on the field
Speaker 1: is better for Mac Jones than Taekwon Thornton, then Tomorrio
Speaker 1: Douglas needs to be on the field over Taekwon or period.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's get it back to some of
Speaker 2: the phones here, and I do want to talk defense.
Speaker 1: We do. Yeah, this is like two shows. Well, definitely,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird camp for the defense though, because
Speaker 1: outside of Christian Zalez and Marte Maphu, they just brought
Speaker 1: back everybody from last year.
Speaker 2: It's you knew exactly what you were gonna get and
Speaker 2: it's looked exactly.
Speaker 1: There's really in a very good way. Is there really
Speaker 1: any news on the defense other than Christian Zalez? Is good? No, Like,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about ke On White, but we
Speaker 1: just against the third string offensive lineman. We can't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll talk a lot about ke On White after the
Speaker 1: game tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that that's sort of something that we're looking
Speaker 2: at in terms of the game tomorrow and then obviously
Speaker 2: moving forward. Is that some of these defensive guys I
Speaker 2: think need to be tested a little bit more. And
Speaker 2: I'll we'll see what that looks like. I love the
Speaker 2: fact that the Christian Zalces look fantastic. He even when
Speaker 2: he loses, it's not because he gets burnt. He's just
Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out some of the final
Speaker 2: elements of his game, like anticipation in ball skills and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But he's in receiver's hip pockets basically
Speaker 2: all the time, and he's really impressive. We've all said that.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for him, which is what
Speaker 2: I really like, maybe not against the Texans if he
Speaker 2: plays a little bit tomorrow night, but in terms of
Speaker 2: the Packers and the Titans, he's he is going to
Speaker 2: start to see some better receivers in those joint practices.
Speaker 2: Like perfect example, Christian Watson on the Packers is a
Speaker 2: great matchup for him, right. I even think Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 2: is a solid matchup for him, but Christian Watson in particular, big, fast,
Speaker 2: physical outside receiver. Those are the types of guys that
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to cover and cover well. And then
Speaker 2: we get to Tennessee and we know, you know who
Speaker 2: is down in Tennessee, and so is Traylon Burke. So
Speaker 2: we both didn't really love, but still another big, size,
Speaker 2: speed type of receiver as well, So I think that
Speaker 2: he has some warm ups. Certainly, Burke's was supposed to
Speaker 2: be AJ Brown and he's gonna face see J. Brown
Speaker 2: in week one, so it's kind of like minor league
Speaker 2: a J. Brown and that can get you ready for
Speaker 2: major league a J. Brown and one. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: he loved what we've seen at of Gonzales. Uh, the
Speaker 2: safety position is still I think if you have to
Speaker 2: look at one, I don't want to call it. I
Speaker 2: guess better not concerned question mark. I'm still not one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent sure how it's gonna look in
Speaker 2: center field. I don't know how much they're gonna really play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think there. I just think they're not gonna
Speaker 2: do a ton of centerfield stuff. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 2: been my my takeaway from it, Yeah, because I just
Speaker 2: don't love they don't have anybody up there. And I
Speaker 2: think one of the things that there's two things about
Speaker 2: it that I think are really the key, and one
Speaker 2: is obviously recognition and anticipation of route combinations, right, Like
Speaker 2: you have to be able to know what the what
Speaker 2: the offense is running and figure it out quickly and
Speaker 2: anticipate and recognize formations and things like that, situation formations
Speaker 2: in a say, situation like down in distance, formations like
Speaker 2: That's what made Devin a step ahead so often was
Speaker 2: that he was able to recognize those types of things
Speaker 2: pre snap and then understand where the biggest threats were
Speaker 2: and how he can help and things like that. And
Speaker 2: then obviously it's the flip and run talent, like who
Speaker 2: has that ability to get into the pedal and then
Speaker 2: see that it's coming over the top and flip and
Speaker 2: run with the in close right on a go ball
Speaker 2: on the sideline. Adrian Phillips talked about this a little
Speaker 2: bit when we talked to him. Devin could sit in
Speaker 2: center field and he could go sideline to sideline. He
Speaker 2: could just sit in the middle of the field and
Speaker 2: be able to make a play on the go ball
Speaker 2: side on the boundary up the numbers. They don't necessarily
Speaker 2: have a guy that can do that. Now, So is
Speaker 2: it tilting it like? Is it cheating it over to
Speaker 2: that side? Is it more too high?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: I still don't think we've necessarily gotten that answer, because
Speaker 2: they're not really game planning or scheming at that type
Speaker 2: of level. Yet in practice, that's the one area that
Speaker 2: I've been a little bit like, we still got to
Speaker 2: wait and see on this. The defensive front is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Like they got like seventeen guys that they can throw
Speaker 2: at you. All of them can beat blocks. Keon Whitees
Speaker 2: looked fine. I think he's gonna be a rotational guy.
Speaker 2: Josh U J. Connor I mentioned it earlier. Connor Precdermot
Speaker 2: must have him in his nightmares, like he can't can't
Speaker 2: block his speed. Ye, judea On is like just didn't
Speaker 2: even look like he missed a practice when he got
Speaker 2: out there with the pads on, and you know, Godshaw's
Speaker 2: going to do his thing. Dietrich Wise, I think is
Speaker 2: still going to be at the level that he was
Speaker 2: similar to last year. I know that people regardless, like
Speaker 2: you can ask national media like a lot of people,
Speaker 2: but I think the Patriots have one of the best
Speaker 2: defensive fronts in football.
Speaker 1: I would say so too, especially if it's going to
Speaker 1: take that jump.
Speaker 2: I still think San Francisco's is better than there's probably
Speaker 2: and maybe San Francisco's. Philly Dallas like those are something.
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird because people have asked me, like,
Speaker 1: how good can the Patriots defense be? The balance did
Speaker 1: the lack of balance in defense between the AFC and NFC. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel confident there's three teams in the AFC that
Speaker 1: are going to be the three best defense as well
Speaker 1: above everybody else. The Patriots, Jet Steelers, will would order
Speaker 1: that ends up being in I think they all have,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Patriots, it's where's Christian Zales at
Speaker 1: for for the Steelers of health for the Jets at
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner year two. But those are gonna be three
Speaker 1: top defenses. But I don't know that any of those
Speaker 1: three would be even top two in the NFC. So
Speaker 1: it's like this weird thing trying to balance between those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their Patriots defensive front is legit, Yeah, legit, legit.
Speaker 2: Marty Mapu still in the Red Jersey, that kind of
Speaker 2: I still think they're trying to figure out where exactly
Speaker 2: he fits best. They're not listening to me about using
Speaker 2: him solely out linebacker yet, so I still think that
Speaker 2: that's a preseason thing and maybe joint practice thing where
Speaker 2: we kind of hone in on exactly how he's gonna
Speaker 2: be used. I still think that he's gonna be a
Speaker 2: situational passing game player, coverage linebacker right, comeing on third
Speaker 2: down and cover on third down instead of you know,
Speaker 2: maybe Juwan Bentley then moves forward and plays in the
Speaker 2: rush or comes off the field. Jalan Tavai certainly comes
Speaker 2: off the field, and that that makes room for Martypu
Speaker 2: and you know, Jack Jones. Like Jack Jones, he's a
Speaker 2: good player. Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 2: with him off the field. He has that a next
Speaker 2: hearing on August eighteenth, So my guess is he won't
Speaker 2: be with us in Green Bay. He'll probably be back
Speaker 2: here right and it'll be interesting to see what it
Speaker 2: looks like come August eighteenth, because that's I believe he's
Speaker 2: been arranged. So I believe that that's like the first
Speaker 2: hearing where the state brings their case to the table
Speaker 2: and they have to prove that they have a case
Speaker 2: against him, and at that point then it goes to
Speaker 2: you know, trial date and things like that. So we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens on August eighteenth with Jack Jones. But
Speaker 2: I love the idea, and obviously it matters if he's
Speaker 2: going to be out there but they have John Jones,
Speaker 2: they have Christian Gonzalez as these two guys that are
Speaker 2: just they're gonna put straps on guys, They're going to
Speaker 2: live in their hip pockets. They can cover these receivers
Speaker 2: man to man, and then you have your ballhawk on
Speaker 2: the boundary and Jack Jones, And I think that that
Speaker 2: really allows him a Kyle Dugger like some of those players,
Speaker 2: to just rove the defense in the secondary and become
Speaker 2: ballhawks and go ahead and create those turnovers. So I
Speaker 2: love that balance of having that ability there, and obviously
Speaker 2: he does bring a little bit more size to the
Speaker 2: boundary as well. What are your thoughts on Isaiah Bolden?
Speaker 2: Are you? I just rained all over the Pop Douglas parade,
Speaker 2: so maybe we should do that too.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: No, so I got super excited about Isaiah Bolden. Then
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, you know, he got elevated
Speaker 1: to more premier reps against better players, he kind of
Speaker 1: came back down to earth a little bit. I like
Speaker 1: his long term projection as like a third boundary corner.
Speaker 1: So he's a guy and kickoff returner and a kickoff turner.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's come down to like him and
Speaker 1: a mere speed. A lot of people have it that
Speaker 1: way if they don't have to burn because people are like,
Speaker 1: oh you cut a guy bringing back on the practic squad, well,
Speaker 1: then you burn his rookie contract.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I to me, like, do you want to be going
Speaker 1: year to year with Isaiah Bolden if he turns out
Speaker 1: to be a legit boundary corner right? So item as
Speaker 1: my fifty fourth player on my last roster projection. I
Speaker 1: did because they like him.
Speaker 2: But that's the one that's gonna kill people.
Speaker 1: But now, honestly, Miles, the more I think about it,
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant's on a one year deal. He's definitely guy
Speaker 1: you could cut and bring back. And I don't think
Speaker 1: he's waivers eligible either. I think he just becomes a
Speaker 1: free agent, so.
Speaker 2: He might have played too much to be a wave
Speaker 2: res eligible agent.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you wouldn't have to worry
Speaker 1: aout anybody claiming him. You just tell him, hey, he's
Speaker 1: only in year four, right, Yeah, yeah, I think, but
Speaker 1: he's not on his rookie deals, but he's not anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from Isaiah Bolden. He's more
Speaker 1: kind of with him. It's more all right, Like I
Speaker 1: like him as a project player. He's a good emergency
Speaker 1: option on the boundary. Like I'd rather have him on
Speaker 1: the boundary than Marcus Jones or Jonathan Jones. I like
Speaker 1: having that side speed speed option on the boundary. He's
Speaker 1: not passing Jack Jones on the depth chart at anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But if you lose Jack Jones for a period of time,
Speaker 1: if he needs to give you two or three games,
Speaker 1: I think he could maybe give you two or three games.
Speaker 1: And he's a guy I'm more excited about, like year two,
Speaker 1: year three, where does he develop a corner? And he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, when Jack Jones contract gets up,
Speaker 1: could he be the next man up there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would. I would like to see them try
Speaker 2: to keep Isaiah Bolden From what I've seen, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that he's one of those guys that you just
Speaker 2: mentioned is only going to get better as he progresses.
Speaker 2: Especially if you can say all the flak you want
Speaker 2: about the Patriots developing receivers, they can develop corners. They
Speaker 2: can definitely develop corners, and I think that they would
Speaker 2: be able to develop Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they can't develop receivers because they develop
Speaker 1: all these amazing corners. Just blank these guys and it's
Speaker 1: literally just make them give him mirror, like.
Speaker 2: Just just do the opposite of what you tell the corners.
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand Isaiah Bolden, I think has that
Speaker 2: ability like you mentioned, to play on the boundary, which
Speaker 2: I like. I think he's got the physical tools due
Speaker 2: And I know that Marcus Jones is Marcus Jones and
Speaker 2: he's going to be back there on kickoffs and punts
Speaker 2: in some capacity. But I don't hate having a guy
Speaker 2: like Isaiah Bolden potentially as the kickoff returner instead of
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones fast, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden's a strider, right, and sometimes the striders are
Speaker 2: better off on kickoffs.
Speaker 1: And Mark Jones talked about this like he's more of
Speaker 1: a punt returner than kick returning. He's more experienced at that.
Speaker 1: The interesting battle if we get to that point, will
Speaker 1: be Tomorrio Douglas is also a really good kick returner,
Speaker 1: so we'll be him and Bolden for that kick return.
Speaker 2: I just always look at kick returns as like you know,
Speaker 2: like Cordarol Patterson is obviously the the gold standard for
Speaker 2: kickoff return obviously. And he's like tall and big, you know, Like,
Speaker 2: I think the at that spot, you you want a
Speaker 2: long strider more than you want the jitterbug, right, Like,
Speaker 2: That's that's always how I felt a better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that if you're good enough jitterbug,
Speaker 1: you can make you work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's fair, all right, especially actually with the new rules especially,
Speaker 1: I think that will make it more favorable to guys
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take some of these calls and
Speaker 2: then then we'll get to Alex's special teams minute before
Speaker 2: we wrap the show. But eldred And is in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: What's that, Beldrid?
Speaker 5: Hey Ellen, I got a bone pick?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, sir, one.
Speaker 5: On one the seven on seven are football because if
Speaker 5: you can't get open on one on one, you sure
Speaker 5: ain't gonna get open on Sundays or Fridays or Saturdays.
Speaker 5: Whenever you play, you're not gonna get open. So that
Speaker 5: is real football, you know, because you got to develop
Speaker 5: your skills in sets, and if there's seven on seven,
Speaker 5: you know you're going to get corners and stations and linebackers.
Speaker 5: But on the difference, that you got on eleven. You
Speaker 5: got lines coming after quarterback. He ain't worried about this.
Speaker 5: Worry about the the guys in the secondary that's doing
Speaker 5: the curving in the zone. So you got to develop there.
Speaker 2: I'll give you one bone. I'll give you seven on
Speaker 2: of seven. I'm not gonna give you one.
Speaker 5: Okay, keep being stubborn, that's all right anyway, but uh
Speaker 5: but take one. I love him, man. He played like
Speaker 5: that on the game. If somebody hit him, he drops
Speaker 5: the ball, but he's wide open. He's wide open like
Speaker 5: that on the game too. But uh that I wish
Speaker 5: they got Jefferson to coach the wide receivers because I
Speaker 5: don't think they can't coach right, be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I know, I know my man is back there, but
Speaker 5: Bob Brown, but they toy somewhere up. I don't think
Speaker 5: he really kept developing some of the guys, be honest,
Speaker 5: because we've got too bady to go in and out
Speaker 5: and they don't go no way up after that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Yeah that that's a really fair point, elderd. And thanks
Speaker 2: for the call, and we uh, well we'll settle on
Speaker 2: seven on seven. Well, I'll give you seven on seven
Speaker 2: has some translatable skills, so I'm not giving you one
Speaker 2: on it. But I'm not here.
Speaker 1: He's right if you can't win one on one. Nobody's
Speaker 1: looking at the one on ones, just the one on ones.
Speaker 1: It's saying he's gonna be great because he's winning one
Speaker 1: on ones. But what some people might be all right,
Speaker 1: well they're wrong. Like I said about Tomorrow, Douglas checking
Speaker 1: all the boxes. It's a box. It's a box that's checked. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not you even used one on ones before in
Speaker 1: an example I did.
Speaker 2: You're right, I like I. I like Tomorrow. It's part
Speaker 2: of the story. That's I'm not trying to trap on
Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas. We've liked to Mario Douglas since January,
Speaker 2: so like, this is our guy.
Speaker 1: He told everybody about to Mario Douglas. We found Mario Douglas.
Speaker 1: We did not find no remember his on that website
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but a Patriots scouting staff knew about Tomorrio
Speaker 1: Douglas two years. I'm saying, like, outside of outside of
Speaker 1: NFL scouting rooms, outside of like people who are like
Speaker 1: actual Scots, remember his draft stock on that website. It
Speaker 1: was like like in the four fifty five hundreds, and
Speaker 1: then we start tweet about him and boom, he's a
Speaker 1: borderline off one.
Speaker 2: It was us okay, But here's all I'm saying about
Speaker 2: the Mario Douglas. This is me protecting my own butt,
Speaker 2: all right, because I'm gonna come up. You've gotten burned too,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna tomorrow Douglas. Nobody can cover him. The
Speaker 2: guy's unbelievable, YadA, YadA, YadA. And then in like two months,
Speaker 2: you know, mid season, regular season, real football people are
Speaker 2: gonna be like, oh, guy, do you remember when the
Speaker 2: the Catch twenty two guys said Tomorrio Douglas was going
Speaker 2: to be the next you know, all pro receiver and
Speaker 2: then he didn't even make the team. Michael, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say, let's just take it one
Speaker 2: step at a time. That's it. Yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 2: all those conversations about like who is he going to
Speaker 2: push off the roster and is he going to start?
Speaker 2: And is boringexpendable? Is Taekwon expend like word that's way
Speaker 2: too premature.
Speaker 1: Wait I talked into I'm not saying that either. It's
Speaker 1: literally just he It's been a long time since a
Speaker 1: rookie Patriots receiver got this far, and that's exciting.
Speaker 2: It is exciting, and it's the type of receiver that
Speaker 2: I love, guy that creates it and not just.
Speaker 1: That's the type of receiver that Bill O'Brien loves, like
Speaker 1: you talk about. Yeah, I said thing before. Part of
Speaker 1: the reasons. It's not just that he's playing well, but
Speaker 1: there's a clear path to playing time. I should add
Speaker 1: a third thing to that. Scheme fit Yeah, perfect scheme fit.
Speaker 2: So so I'm not I don't want to get bogged
Speaker 2: down too much on the week.
Speaker 1: We've done a lot of receiver talked last two weeks, so.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's weekend's camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah we can. We can go back to calls when
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: I I gotta say though this, I was yelling about
Speaker 2: it earlier jokingly. I'm dead serious about this. It is
Speaker 2: beyond frustrating that this team cannot recognize the type of
Speaker 2: skill set that fits their offense and just draft that
Speaker 2: freaking skill set.
Speaker 1: So is it two years ago, three years ago? Who
Speaker 1: is the guy I wanted that you're like would be
Speaker 1: great Robinson? Remember how I was?
Speaker 2: They're not gonna take them, okay, So like Wandell, Robinson's
Speaker 2: a good example. Obviously we're gonna see him tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: maybe John Metchi who thank god it good for him,
Speaker 2: he's back in health and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: A little bit different. But remember Tony and I know
Speaker 1: that there's been some other issues with.
Speaker 2: The ton and and the Giants drafted him under a
Speaker 2: Patriot regime like they so they're they're patriot guys.
Speaker 1: Reckon Dell under a Patriots regime. Tank Dell, who's the
Speaker 1: kid from Memphis, Calvin Austin.
Speaker 2: Calvin Austin. We went up against Marcus Jones a lot
Speaker 2: and uh in that conference and uh and obviously a
Speaker 2: big one for me was Sky Moore, Oh you really,
Speaker 2: who hasn't really done much in Kansas City yet. But
Speaker 2: it's it's about the traits and it's about what's translatable
Speaker 2: to this offense. They have drafted Nikhil Harry Early, who
Speaker 2: was a stiff like stiff and I mean stiff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: bau Melt did.
Speaker 1: We loved vau Melt.
Speaker 2: Not not like to take shots at in thee. But
Speaker 2: when I say stiff, I mean like literally stiff, like
Speaker 2: he was a stiff mover. Yeah, okay, and then they
Speaker 2: draft Taekwon, who's a one trick pony. It can only
Speaker 2: get up the field and that's it. And then they
Speaker 2: like they'd actually take a mouldable skill set for them,
Speaker 2: where all you gotta do is have Troy Brown teach
Speaker 2: him to be Troy Brown, right, and like Jacoby was
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: Which we got to get into the Jersey number takes
Speaker 1: it to the very.
Speaker 2: I know that Jacoby is not the fastest guy in
Speaker 2: a straight line, but he was really good at the
Speaker 2: top of the route and he's got that craftiness and
Speaker 2: that shiftiness and that's why it worked out. So instead
Speaker 2: of taking to Mario Douglas and look at ultimately it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if to Mario Douglas is a dude, then
Speaker 2: who cares that he went to Liberty and was drafted
Speaker 2: in the sixth round?
Speaker 1: Oh Marii Rodgers was another one. Sorry, I'm going back
Speaker 1: through the old drafver. But Jalen Darton, Jalen Darton don't
Speaker 1: do There's two things I do every day. I brush
Speaker 1: my teeth and I get open that. I was sold
Speaker 1: on that quote alone.
Speaker 2: All right. The point being is is that we what
Speaker 2: you could do. This is a bold assessment here. What
Speaker 2: you could do is you recognize that Tomrio Douglas has
Speaker 2: the skill set that you want. So let's just take
Speaker 2: the guy that's Tomorrio Douglas, but like in the SEC right,
Speaker 2: and let's just take that guy early and let's take
Speaker 2: that the route runner, the technician, the guy that gets
Speaker 2: open instead of the guy that is Nikhil Harry or Taekwon.
Speaker 2: And let's just go that. Why can't we just do that?
Speaker 2: And when I say we, I mean the Patriots, Like,
Speaker 2: why can't the Patriots just do that? I don't understand
Speaker 2: what's so difficult about that? With their valuations.
Speaker 1: Let's I'll tell you this. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Texas A and m Ania Smith. That's that's the top
Speaker 1: of this draft. Guy next year.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's
Speaker 2: up Todd?
Speaker 7: Hey? Hey, question is after watching a lot of the game,
Speaker 7: what do you are the camp? What do you think
Speaker 7: that the offense and defense? Are they kind of be
Speaker 7: more modern? Are they still you know Bill Belichicks mold
Speaker 7: of you know, let's bend but not break. Let's you know,
Speaker 7: control the game by controlling the clock and going on
Speaker 7: from there.
Speaker 2: Well, Todd, that's a good question, and thanks for the call.
Speaker 2: I get we kind of touched on this a little
Speaker 2: bit with that pass first run first question. I think
Speaker 2: it depends on who you ask in the building. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good thing, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's gonna be a clear now when
Speaker 2: I say that, I guess I should walk that back
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think Bill Bill O'Brien will ultimately
Speaker 2: bend to Bill Belichick because it's Bill Belichick's team. He's
Speaker 2: the head coach. It's his show, right, And I think
Speaker 2: Bill Brian's been pretty steadfast about that speaking to him.
Speaker 1: But I kind of interpreted that question is just stylistically
Speaker 1: like it's gonna look more modern than it did last year.
Speaker 1: There's going to be more modern concert that.
Speaker 2: But the point is is that are they going to
Speaker 2: try to win game seventeen to forty or are they
Speaker 2: going to open it up a little bit and be
Speaker 2: willing to win in a shootout?
Speaker 1: And that it's probably yeah, it'll default to Bill, But
Speaker 1: I think like the units themselves, I mean, the defense
Speaker 1: is going to be what it's been. That's not gonna change.
Speaker 1: But the offense there's more of these modern concepts, RPOs,
Speaker 1: more motion things like that, Like, yeah, you are going
Speaker 1: to see a lot more of that.
Speaker 2: I do think that I said it earlier. It all
Speaker 2: comes down to the success, right, Like if they're good,
Speaker 2: if they're good on offense and they're moving the ball
Speaker 2: and they're throwing the ball, well, I don't think he
Speaker 2: did it because he wanted to, but eventually Belichick obviously
Speaker 2: once Brady became Brady, like, they threw the ball plenty.
Speaker 2: They were a very aggressive passing team with Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: but of course they had Tom Brady. If Bill sees
Speaker 2: it and says, oh wow, that you know, I trust
Speaker 2: the offense to throw the ball forty five times and
Speaker 2: I think we can win this way now and all
Speaker 2: that type of stuff, then it's different. When I say
Speaker 2: forty five times, I don't mean because they're down by
Speaker 2: three touchdowns. I mean a real forty five times.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it could be different, But until further notice,
Speaker 2: I still think that they're going to be a team
Speaker 2: that's going to try to squeeze every every second off
Speaker 2: the clock. Ball control possession, don't turn the football over offensively,
Speaker 2: kick a bunch of field goals on fourth.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with prioritizing not turning the ball over.
Speaker 2: There isn't anything wrong about but you obviously you need
Speaker 2: to be more aggressive than they've been.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2: All right, Devon is in New Hampshire, is back on
Speaker 2: the line. What's up, Devon? Hey? Devon? Ah Devin something
Speaker 2: with the phone? All right, we're coming to the end
Speaker 2: here anyway, So Alex, I'm going to clear the four
Speaker 2: for you to give your special teams a minute and
Speaker 2: maybe I'll interject, maybe I won't. What was your take
Speaker 2: today on the special teams?
Speaker 1: I mean, the rookies are running away with both competitions,
Speaker 1: you know, Chad Chad Ryland and Nick Folk. They've both
Speaker 1: kind of had like three for four, four for five,
Speaker 1: those kind of days. But when Nick Folk kicks a
Speaker 1: forty five yard field goal, you're kind of holding on
Speaker 1: to the edge of your seat. When Chad Rowlan kicks
Speaker 1: a forty five yard field goal is halfway up the upright. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And look, Nick Folk has been a really good patriot.
Speaker 1: He has been saved, he absolutely did, but he's been
Speaker 1: He had a year the second half of last year.
Speaker 1: He's thirty eight years old, and we know they have
Speaker 1: the thing like get out a year two early versus
Speaker 1: a year too late on a player. That's especially true Kicker.
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how rare it is that
Speaker 1: they found Nick Folk the way they did. People conveniently
Speaker 1: forget that Mike Nugent came in here and was kind
Speaker 1: of a mess nuge before they went to Nick Folk.
Speaker 1: I think that nickname was part of why he was
Speaker 1: so bad. But I just I are you willing to
Speaker 1: take the risk that the last half of last season
Speaker 1: was anaboration for Folk? And I mean he used a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick on the guy. I know some people
Speaker 1: have said maybe they keep two kickers. I think they'd
Speaker 1: like to in theory, But if you've seen what's going
Speaker 1: on in Dallas, Nick Folk would like I found the
Speaker 1: Cowboys trade value?
Speaker 2: Yeah, does Nick Fole have some trade value?
Speaker 1: I think he would. I don't know that you're getting
Speaker 1: anything significant, but you get a six round pick for
Speaker 1: Nick Folk. I don't think that's unrealistic.
Speaker 2: And so the question is, and I I steer towards
Speaker 2: the side of rather keeping him on the practice squad
Speaker 2: than trade him for a sixth round pick. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: if you don't think that he's gonna you have a
Speaker 2: conversation with him. Nick, We're gonna go with Ryland, but
Speaker 2: we'd love to keep you on the practice squad. Just
Speaker 2: he's a rookie. We don't know if it's gonna how
Speaker 2: it's gonna look in the regular season. Yet, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Are are you gonna just come back to the practice
Speaker 2: squad or are you gonna try to shop your your
Speaker 2: services elsewhere? You look at your options, and he says,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at my options, then you trade. It's
Speaker 2: pretty simple.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, and that's fair. I just think if you
Speaker 1: do expose him to the practiceqpot, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: Nick Folk. His family still lives in Dallas, and he
Speaker 1: it's not like every day, but he goes back and
Speaker 1: forth between here and Dallas during the season. And if
Speaker 1: you can tell him he can go live at home
Speaker 1: for the whole season, make more money kick indoors, Like,
Speaker 1: why is he not gonna take that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, and Dallas desperately needs a kicker, maybe, And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the kicking situation is in Houston
Speaker 1: or New Orleans, but these other places that are nearby
Speaker 1: that it's a much more like I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to worry about losing him to say Seattle, right right,
Speaker 1: that's an even worse commute, La. Maybe because he's from there,
Speaker 1: like he grew up there, and maybe he'd want to
Speaker 1: go back. But you don't have to worry about losing
Speaker 1: them to Miami. But there are teams that I think
Speaker 1: he would go to that need a kicker. That being said,
Speaker 1: it would be a real miss if they burn a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. If with how good Ryland looks, I
Speaker 1: think that would be a real disappointment if they burn
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick and keep Nick Folk, especially if
Speaker 1: it's proven that the end of last year wasn't an aberration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's he's kind of lost a step.
Speaker 2: My untrained eye on kicker is the one thing that
Speaker 2: I have noticed is what you pointed out about Folk's
Speaker 2: leg and Ryland's. It's it's night and day who has
Speaker 2: the bigger leg. Yeah, and with Folk, you're right, I
Speaker 2: mean anything over forty five year holding your breath like
Speaker 2: and the ball just dies off his foot around the
Speaker 2: goal line, right. You just see the trajectory of the
Speaker 2: kick just kind of waning down. I would also say
Speaker 2: with with Rylan, he does have decent enough control on
Speaker 2: the ball. I may I make the jokes all the
Speaker 2: time about Justin Rorosser, like Justin Ross in training camp,
Speaker 2: could not he if the gold posts were double the size,
Speaker 2: he still would have been missing. Right, So it was
Speaker 2: that bad Chad Ryland's misses our NFL misses.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: You're seeing him miss by like a couple of fractions
Speaker 2: of a of a foot, right, Like you're not seeing
Speaker 2: him miss by one hundred feet like with Justin Rows.
Speaker 2: And I'm exaggerating, but you know that that's.
Speaker 1: Was missing like the kicking. Yet he wasn't just missing
Speaker 1: the gold post. So yeah, I again, I think it's
Speaker 1: Ryland there and then a punter Bearinger has been outstanding
Speaker 1: and I think the big thing and this is what
Speaker 1: they love and Pop Douglas talked about it yesterday like
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to read the ball off his foot
Speaker 1: and he's had so many putts muffed.
Speaker 2: There we go, That's that's what I was looking for.
Speaker 2: It's hard to read the ball off his foot. This
Speaker 2: is real punter day.
Speaker 1: Have you not seen how many punts he's had muffed?
Speaker 2: So far in his camp, I've seen I've seen people say, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the pay times, tune out during special teams.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't you cover the team. That's your jaw, you
Speaker 1: cover it for me. Some that's and I have used
Speaker 1: your lineman numbers at times because I can't watch all
Speaker 1: the one on ones at once, but you can't. It's
Speaker 1: not people say, oh, so the Patriots punt return is
Speaker 1: just suck. No, because they're not muffing Weightman's punts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Marcus Jones doesn't suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Jones is not a bad punt returner. We
Speaker 1: know that. So now Weightman, I think easy got to
Speaker 1: keep on the practice squad and Pop Douglas kind of
Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday. There's value in having a lefty punter,
Speaker 1: so because it's different fielding punter, fielding punts from a
Speaker 1: lefty punter versus a righty punter. He talked about that
Speaker 1: last year when they brought Michael Pallardi in. So you
Speaker 1: keep Weightman on the practice squad, you have him around
Speaker 1: as your lefty option, you have him around as an
Speaker 1: emergency option for Baringer. That one's a lot easier. I
Speaker 1: don't know that there's gonna be a rush to sign
Speaker 1: Corless Weightman. Maybe into the season, you lose them if
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt, but you should be able to get
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad.
Speaker 2: So the question that I have is then, with Weightman,
Speaker 2: I wonder if we don't see Weightman in the preseason games,
Speaker 2: because might as well give Baringer the reps anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see either of the
Speaker 1: veterans a lot. It wouldn't make sense to play either
Speaker 1: of them. You know essentially what Nick Folk is at
Speaker 1: this point, and we want to get into the practicead.
Speaker 1: You don't want Dallas seeing him knocking through three for three,
Speaker 1: four for four. I would guess it's gonna heavily be
Speaker 1: the rookies in all three preseason games.
Speaker 2: So the one thing that I really like about it
Speaker 2: with the rookies, and this is one thing you're gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna be surprised that I care about this. I
Speaker 2: like that they're attached at the hip. Those two go
Speaker 2: everywhere Togain, it's real, it's and and we gotta get
Speaker 2: Joe Cardona in that with them, But yeah, leave Joe, but.
Speaker 1: That you'll get there. He can't play favorites right now.
Speaker 2: That battery, right, that's gonna be the holder. You know,
Speaker 2: Berenger is gonna be Ryland's holder, and which he wasn't
Speaker 2: that Going back to the Senior Bowl, when you remember
Speaker 2: every year, I mean you obviously remember as well that
Speaker 2: those three guys, Cardona, the punter, and the kicker are
Speaker 2: like the three Amigos all season LOP. They're inseparable. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to give away anything too much, but
Speaker 2: there might have been a little bit of a of
Speaker 2: a of a some friction with the with the three
Speaker 2: amigos at times last year, and I think it showed.
Speaker 2: It did show for Jake Bailey in particular. And I
Speaker 2: think the big thing with those three guys is, you know,
Speaker 2: they go in the stadium and they kick in the
Speaker 2: stadium sometimes and the rest of the team is out
Speaker 2: on the practice fields. We do our attendance and we're like, well,
Speaker 2: the kickers aren't here, but they're probably here. They're just
Speaker 2: you know, in the stadium or whatever. That's a really
Speaker 2: important dynamic and I think there's something to be said
Speaker 2: for Ryland and Baringer going through this together like two
Speaker 2: rookie guys that are first time in the NFL, rookie players,
Speaker 2: young guys that are gonna have to learn to be
Speaker 2: pros and learn to how to go through it and
Speaker 2: along those lines. As much as I think that Nick
Speaker 2: Folk might have opportunities elsewhere, is he like the Brian
Speaker 2: Hoyer to to those like someone's there might be a
Speaker 2: little bit of that somebody put in the chat when
Speaker 2: I said, you don't want Dallas to see him hitting
Speaker 2: him if you want him on the practice squad, if
Speaker 2: you want to trade him, you do want, Okay, but
Speaker 2: you do I do wonder how they Maybe it's just
Speaker 2: you know they're able to Cardona, Matthew Slater, like those
Speaker 2: guys are obviously veterans special teamers as well that are
Speaker 2: gonna be around a lot. But you do wonder if
Speaker 2: you want somebody that's there to kind of that's been
Speaker 2: through it, that's done.
Speaker 1: I think you hope that that's Cardona at this point,
Speaker 1: and Matthew Slater too to an extent, And you can
Speaker 1: even maybe say Corlus weightman if he's on the practice squad, but.
Speaker 2: The special teams think still worries me.
Speaker 1: But I mean, we'll see what the coverage looks like
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I think Jordan Helig's gonna be the UDFA,
Speaker 1: like the guy that makes the team. He's looked good
Speaker 1: in coverage, so and you know they they've overhauled that
Speaker 1: unit and we've seen a mere speed and Asaia Bolden
Speaker 1: rep there too, So like they have Chris Board, they
Speaker 1: have options there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna I don't. I don't think the personnel
Speaker 2: is gonna be the problem. I'm still worried about the coaching.
Speaker 1: The coach, and that's fair, that's I just because well
Speaker 1: a I think it's just a weird dynamic.
Speaker 2: Like Joe Judge is the assistant head coach of the team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's clearly the special teams coordinator at most of
Speaker 2: these practices, Like he's the one that's barking out the
Speaker 2: orders and leading the way on special teams. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's up with camp Cord, Like I.
Speaker 1: Can Accord honestly say what you will about being worried
Speaker 1: about the coaching overall, and honestly when you say the coaching,
Speaker 1: where I agree with you on that is like the
Speaker 1: the game planning of it, the scheming up. I've said
Speaker 1: this about cam Acord before, Like, yeah, he was in
Speaker 1: over his head as a coordinator, coordinating the special teams,
Speaker 1: coming up with game plans. Read right. I still believe
Speaker 1: cam Accord is an amazing teacher and coaching is like
Speaker 1: there's a massive element of that that's just.
Speaker 2: And this is why let me teach. You want to
Speaker 2: be class half full? Yeah, this is why this dynamic
Speaker 2: should work out.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. Like, the one thing I
Speaker 1: am encouraged by is I think cam Accord is just
Speaker 1: back to teaching, which is excellent. How's Joe Judge going
Speaker 1: to be a special teams coordinator? Will see he's been
Speaker 1: He was good, but it's been a while. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it is it is an objectively weird setup.
Speaker 2: I think that that's it's similar to the setup that
Speaker 2: they have on defense. Honestly, where the teacher, the presenter,
Speaker 2: the guy that can relate the best of the players
Speaker 2: is obviously Gerd Mayo, but the play caller Steve and
Speaker 2: on special teams. If that's how you want to sell
Speaker 2: me that camra Cord is going to be the guy
Speaker 2: that's in the trenches with these guys. It's teaching the techniques,
Speaker 2: that's doing all that stuff. And then Joe Judge is
Speaker 2: coming over the top with game plans and sidelines, you know,
Speaker 2: handling the sideline and play calling and all those types
Speaker 2: of things. And I suppose that I can be sold.
Speaker 1: I think that's like, that's what it should be. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll see, we'll get a good idea of Thursday
Speaker 1: night what it looks like. But that's what it should be,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: You have three minutes on the Rookie Night.
Speaker 1: Well, so this guy keeps commenting on YouTube saying he'll
Speaker 1: leave a zero star review if we don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: So now you have to leave a five star review.
Speaker 2: Rookie numbers, and that guy better leave us a five.
Speaker 1: Better leave a five star review. So ninety nine is open.
Speaker 1: That's a big one, okay. Bryce Bearinger wore ninety nine
Speaker 1: in college? Would punters can wear ninety nine now? So
Speaker 1: kickers and punters can wear one to forty nine and
Speaker 1: ninety to ninety nine. Yeah, so Bearinger in ninety would
Speaker 1: be cool. Does Chad Ryland get ninety four? I think
Speaker 1: he were forty nine at Maryland and that's obviously taken.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting one, okay. So he's not going
Speaker 1: to be like a kicker number. Eat, well, that is
Speaker 1: a kicker number, now, Okay, most of the Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think they have anything open one through nineteen except
Speaker 1: obviously twelve. Nineteen's open. Yeah, that's it. Nineteen's open, that's it.
Speaker 1: So maybe one of them gets nineteen, but I feel
Speaker 1: like that could go. So they changed it now, so
Speaker 1: it's like one to forty nine for receivers, running backs, corners, safeties,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And the receivers are also in tight
Speaker 1: ends eighty to eighty nine. So like, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see, if not a receiver, maybe somebody in the secondary.
Speaker 1: I see Maphu in the teens.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him stick with fifty two because
Speaker 1: that would be a good number for him, But I
Speaker 1: see him in the teens. I really want to Mario
Speaker 1: Douglas to get eighty. I really do. I want Troy
Speaker 1: You talked about you were in your old shielder like
Speaker 1: Troy Brown basically teaching to Mario Douglas how to beat
Speaker 1: Troy Brown. Yeah, what better way to pass the baton
Speaker 1: than say here's my number. And if he's out there
Speaker 1: running the option routes in the slot and he's out
Speaker 1: there returning kicks. It's just gonna look right, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong? Would just look right? And
Speaker 1: then I know seventeen's taken, But you have to say
Speaker 1: it when you have this conversation. Keep to Mario Douglas
Speaker 1: and Kashawn Booty the hell away from number seventeen. Booty
Speaker 1: wore seven in college, so he could actually take that
Speaker 1: like Scotty Washington has it now. But maybe things change.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Booty's because eighty seven so call
Speaker 1: is eighty seven, so he's not gonna wear that. I
Speaker 1: think he might have worn one at one point, but
Speaker 1: that's obviously taken by another wide receiver. I would caution
Speaker 1: people this, you're gonna run out tomorrow and get the
Speaker 1: jersey when you see the rookie number. Sometimes guys change
Speaker 1: again before the start of seas because the're pretty much
Speaker 1: every number is taken, and after cutdown numbers will open up.
Speaker 1: Like Christian Barmore was seventy his rookie preseason. That was
Speaker 1: gross and we were all very happy Adam switched to ninety's.
Speaker 2: Adam Butler se.
Speaker 1: It worked a little for Barmore needed to be in
Speaker 1: the nineties. Okay, Jack Jones went from thirty four to thirteen.
Speaker 1: Some people would say that's a downgrade. I think he
Speaker 1: makes thirteen work upgrade. Well, it was a little weird
Speaker 1: at the time. Thirty four is a running back now
Speaker 1: it was a shout out to Bucky Jones.
Speaker 2: Shait.
Speaker 1: It was a little weird seeing thirteen as a corner
Speaker 1: right away, was it?
Speaker 7: Not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I think he rocks it.
Speaker 1: But I do now, but initially it was weird. Anyway,
Speaker 1: don't get nervous if guys get because there's so few
Speaker 1: numbers available, guys are gonna get weird numbers. It's gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So don't worry about the aesthetic right away. Booty and
Speaker 1: eighty three would work because there's a little little de
Speaker 1: Unbranches game a little bit. I just want Tomorrow Douglas
Speaker 1: if I could get one number, even more than Christian
Speaker 1: Goan Zalees and zero because he's not getting twenty four.
Speaker 1: If I get one number, it's Gonzales and twenty four,
Speaker 1: but Joshua bloodsoes here. If I get one pick, it's
Speaker 1: Tomrio Douglas number eighty.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's your rookie number minute, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna plead the fifth on the rookie numbers for now,
Speaker 2: but I will I will echo what Alex said about
Speaker 2: don't go run out and buy the jersey based off
Speaker 2: the preseason number. Some of these guys I think are
Speaker 2: going to change numbers once the regular season rolls around,
Speaker 2: So don't lose your minds over the numbers that they
Speaker 2: should come out.
Speaker 1: They usually come out.
Speaker 2: Like news, yeah before kicking.
Speaker 1: By the day of the game, Yeah, I'm sure it's.
Speaker 2: It's already all ready to go and pre planned upstairs.
Speaker 1: So Kaishaw and Boody wore fifteen in high school. So
Speaker 1: corlss waitmans here now. But if he doesn't make the team.
Speaker 2: Right, those are some numbers. Those things will move around.
Speaker 2: But we'll find out that by tomorrow.
Speaker 1: At this monf forty I think forty three is open.
Speaker 1: Kaisha on Booty Yeah no, I could see tomorrow. Douglas
Speaker 1: weren't thirty.
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: It's weird, but because he was three in college, it
Speaker 1: was weird, but I could see it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying for preseason I would hope it changes again,
Speaker 1: but I could see him wearing thirty.
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for us. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate all the calls and the emails. We had a
Speaker 2: very call heavy show today, which we really appreciate. And
Speaker 2: Alex and I will be back next week. I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna do Thursday. Next week. I'm gonna be in
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Alex is gonna be here in studio to
Speaker 2: host the show, So we're gonna be a little role reversal.
Speaker 2: But it'd be cool because I'll be out there the
Speaker 2: Joint practices and can tell you all what's been going
Speaker 2: down in Green Bay. And then we'll do the same
Speaker 2: thing in Nashville the following week as well, because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be at Bowl Yay, so we'll be out there
Speaker 2: at Joint practices. Also, we'll anchor it from here and
Speaker 2: we'll see you that Thanks bye.
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