WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/9: Training Camp Week 3 Recap, Camp Standouts, Texans Preview 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.760 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:12.360 Lazar and Alex bar Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it has 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:20.600 always bara. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar Evan 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.600 texts me and because in so many words, he's worried. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.920 He is worried about the offense, worried literally since the 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:28.760 snap after that text. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:30.120 Yep, it's all because me. 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.360 They have been locked ever since you sent that text. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.040 You fixed the offense. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:36.520 With that text. You're giving me credit. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.120 We might have to get well just you did it, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.479 but then it was me. But then the next day 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:42.880 they got off to a little bit of a slow start. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.360 You texted me again. And then mac Jones said his 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.400 best practice he's had since the Giants practice is rookie year. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.680 So just keep sending the text. Okay, that's what it 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.839 comes down to. This whole season comes down to, Well, 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.320 Evan keep sending those tests. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.520 I guess that was why the last couple of days 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.000 haven't been as good, because I didn't send you the text. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:06.160 The offense was not doing well. Sure well I will. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.679 I will say that. You know I say that, and 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.560 I don't want people, Oh my god, the offense is 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.760 due fine on a panic button here everybody. But I 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.440 do have a take about the offense that I think 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.560 is my big take, you know, my opening monologue take 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.319 at the show. We'll get to that here in a second, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.160 but it's Alex barth Evan Lazar with you. Patriots catch 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.039 twenty two, next hour and thirty or so hour hour thirty. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.600 We'll see how long we go. Buddy can jump on 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.600 the phone lines. Already, people jumping on the phone lines. Alex, 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.200 eight five five. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.199 I'm totally fine with this being a call heavy show. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.800 Eight five to five, PATS five hundred web radio at 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.960 Patriots dot com is the email address if you want 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.920 to jump in on the emails. We'll read some of 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.480 those as well. But here here's my opening take of 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.680 where things stand currently at this hour, twelve practices into 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.680 the Patriots training camp, and believe it or not, just 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.480 over twenty four hours away from the first preseason game. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.400 And I was thinking, as I was walking down here 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.120 to our radio studio that you know, there's a lot 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.600 going on in the tunnels right now and things around 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.280 Jillette Stadium live here getting ready for tomorrow. And it 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.280 dawned on me playing football tomorrow like this is we 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:18.160 we just really cruised right through the first twelve practices, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.560 basically two weeks of practice here at Gillette and along 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.560 with my other big take away from the last week 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.440 or so it was, you know, been about a week 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.160 since we've been on the air on this program. This 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.960 is where the men separate themselves from the boys. All right, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.519 So at this point, and Alex you can speak to 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.360 this as well, this has all been set in the table. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.359 In my opinion, and some of my takes my today 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.240 that I'm gonna go you know, I wrote something on 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.720 Patriots dot Com seven takeaways from the last three days 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.480 of practice. That's some of the things I'm going to 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.560 go off of here to just kind of pilot this 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:58.079 show here facilitates, as you would say, But the big 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.880 thing is this is where the men separate themselves from 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.040 the boys. The first twelve practices to me, are all 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.720 setting the table for the two weeks to joint practices 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.040 in the three preseason games. As excited as I am 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.400 about some of the player the younger guys as some 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.760 of the rookies, and we'll get to that here in 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.960 a little bit, I don't think that any of it 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.119 has really gotten to the point with any of these 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.800 guys where I feel like, besides maybe Christian gon Zales, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.440 this guy has superstar stud potential. Yeah, this is all 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.200 about setting yourself up for a roster push, maybe a 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.960 role push for certain guys when it really gets real, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.560 which is what's gonna happen over the next two weeks. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.640 So that's number one point number two, twelve practices into 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.640 training camp. I know your station, Alex loves to talk 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.040 about the quarterbacks. We like talking about the quarterbacks too. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.560 We'll talk about the quarterbacks, and that's certainly a major storyline, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.560 But at this hour, twelve practices in the biggest storyline 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.160 surrounding the Patriots right now is the offensive line, and 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.920 I don't think it's particularly close. Quarterback. I think they're 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.240 gonna be okay. There are they gonna be great? Maybe not. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.839 They'll be good enough. They'll be good enough. Receiver from 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.320 what we've seen. If you put all the receivers together, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.800 wide receivers, tight ends, even backs, I would say good enough. Again, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.120 we're we're at least getting seazed to get degrees at 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.080 this point at those two spots coordinating. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.680 We both know exactly what that looks like. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:33.599 Coordinator a a so far for Bill O'Brien in my book, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.760 the one the one place where I have to say 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.800 twelve practices and that has not looked pretty on that 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:46.320 side of the football is the offensive line, and it's 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.880 it's it's hard to press the panic button. And I 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.800 don't want to press the panic button on the line 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:56.080 because this is better than me coming in and saying 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.599 Trent Brown, Cole Strange, David Andrews, Mike Onwenu and let's 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.920 call or McDermott or Riley. Really, let's save both those guys. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.159 It's better than me coming in and saying those guys 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.520 are getting their butts kicked in practice, because that's all 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.200 you got, right, that's your group, and if those guys 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.960 can't block anybody, then you're really in trouble. So in 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.880 some ways I feel a little bit better about the 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.880 fact that this is essentially the B squad along the 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:20.680 offensive line. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.080 In some cases, I think it's the C squad that's 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.800 been generous. Yeah, and it hasn't looked good. And I 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.120 think the last three practices in particular, since Judaan has 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.440 been back, it has really not looked good. And I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.640 think the big thing is is that it's gotten in 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.960 the way of the consistency that we saw with the 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.640 offense last week at Wednesday and Thursday practice, the offense 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.920 was really clicking. They were moving the They were not 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.880 only moving the football down the field a little bit 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.400 more with each day, but they were hitting at a 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.000 pretty high rate, like we're talking about you know, Mac 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.560 going like twelve for eighteen in practices and you know, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.719 really having a very few incompletions or miscommunications or anything 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.720 like that. At these last couple of days, we've seen 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.400 some of the flash as Mike is SICKI one handed catches, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.360 DeVante Parker walked it off. Was that Sunday on Jack 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.440 Jones on the deep ball down the left sideline. But 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.360 it hasn't been consistent because they can't block anybody. I 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.000 again my panic meter on this am I pressing the 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.320 button yet. No. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.080 I think we need to talk about some of the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.960 contingency plans though, of how they can make this work 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.440 and piece this together. Mainly, it's health. Health is the 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.360 biggest one. We all know that if they have their 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.760 interior three cold Strange Andrews and Onwenu healthy and out 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.200 there and ready to go for Week one against Philadelphia. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.239 I'm not that concerned because that way there, if there's 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.280 not interior pressure on mac Jones, I think he'll be 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.559 able to handle the edge pressure a little bit better. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.320 If it's coming from everywhere, or really, what the bigger 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.000 problem is is when you just don't know where it's 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.320 going to come from. Right, you have too many weak 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.000 links and it could be coming from here, could be 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.640 coming from there. If he can rely upon the shelf, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.160 that's what you know, the three guys up front in 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.680 the interior. If he can rely on the shelf to 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.360 set the depth of the pocket, then I think he 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.000 can navigate it and step up in the pocket, quick release, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.680 you know, all the things that Brady used to do 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:20.200 to mitigate really good edge rushers. The game protector correct, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:25.400 I'm not as concerned, But at the same time, it 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:30.160 has the right tackle spot is a major, major red flag. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.000 And I understand people that also aren't one hundred and 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.120 ten percent convinced that Trent Brown is going to be 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.440 a good player, or I should say, consistent player for them. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.000 Last year big time peaks and valleys for Trent. He 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.840 had some really good games, he had some really bad ones. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.160 They need Trent to be more steady. Whether it doesn't 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.640 necessarily need to be all pro every single week, but 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.960 they just need him to be steady at left tackle. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.040 So where they go with this offensive line is a 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.720 big one. I think at this point I am more 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.520 I am more inclined to say that the offensive line 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.960 is going to be there their downfall than quarterback or 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.560 receiver talent. And you know me, I with DeAndre Hopkins 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.960 and some of the other moves that they made this offseason, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.680 I've been all over the number one receiver thing. I've 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.760 talked a ton about Mac and how if he's going 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.040 to be able to elevate it the offense and all 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.120 that stuff. I don't know if I'm really twelve practices 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.920 in as concerned about all those things as I am 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.880 about the offensive line. I know the quarterbacks are sexy 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.959 to talk about. The skill positions are also fun to 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.280 talk about, and we will, But to me, that's the 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.160 biggest storyline right now is are they going to be 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.320 able to figure this out along the offensive line? And 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.440 I think we can go over like I mentioned a 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.120 couple of different configurations, but I just wanted to get 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:47.080 your take on that. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.079 Yeah, No, that's been my take since May really has been. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.320 If anything undoes this offense, I hope people want to 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.040 want to complain about Mac Jones, but Mac Jones is 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.880 gonna be good enough. It's not gonna be the quarterback. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.000 It's not gonna be the coaching staff. It's not even 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.760 gonna be the receivers. The receivers are they're fine, they're fine. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.719 If anything undos this offense, it's gonna be the offensive line, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.200 in specifically the tackle position. To your point, they'll get 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.920 healthy in the middle, and honestly, even if they don't 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.240 get healthy entirely, I trust the backups in the middle 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.640 more than I trust the backups to tackle. Like Antonio 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:18.720 Mafi has shown me something. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.640 Yeah, I don't know, come on a little bit. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.560 Jason Hines has come on a little bit, so like 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.600 they have something in the middle there, whereas I really 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.640 don't feel comfortable about Riley Reeve. Connor McDermott is limited, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.480 and after that, I mean, you're just guessing. Andrew Stuber's 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.760 guy who hasn't played football in a year. City sow 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.920 is or City which which one was it? Again? So 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.480 City So is a totally developmental player and could be 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:45.320 a player down the road. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.720 But he's a project rough camp for city. So yeah, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.120 so urban city as we call it. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:55.920 PU Okay, it's it's been uh, it's it's really kind 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.800 of a mess attackle right now, and that is gonna 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.600 be if if anything undoes, then it's gonna be that. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.400 And I know you said, well, yeah, I know you said, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.959 we'll talk about combinations. Yeah, I still think the conversation 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.000 needs to be there about Mike go and WINU. Yeah, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.480 going back out to right tackle, because let's get. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:12.120 To that in a second. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.360 I would just say, as much as I was convinced 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.040 that that was the right answer coming into camp, I 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.679 feel even stronger now that's that's the best option. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.319 So I definitely am with you at this point on that. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.000 I don't know if I was ever against you, but 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.480 I'm strongly with you now. But I first want to 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.720 talk about the guys that they are playing at tackle. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.640 I think Riley Reef has been better in pads than 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.240 he was in the spring in the first couple of 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.680 days of camp, so I'll give him that, But every 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.920 I still maintain with him. He's he's solid in a 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.720 phone booth, like if he doesn't have to move his 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.719 feet a ton and he doesn't have to get out 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.880 on an island in pass protection, and he can just 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.320 play the game in like a two by two box, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.920 then he's gonna be fine. Yeah, but you can't play 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.240 tackle in a two by two box. That's not the position. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.440 The position that's a guard, right, it's not tackle. So 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.760 that's a big part of it with Reef. But I 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.760 do think that his power and his ability to anchor 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:08.400 and things like that have held up okay better now 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.760 that I would have thought about him. Maybe, I don't know, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.160 eight days ago or something like that. Connor McDermott has 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.080 completely fell into a rut. I don't know what is 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.520 going on with Connor McDermott, And I hate singling out 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:25.000 individual guys and and and being negative, but he's had 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.760 he must have nightmares about josh u Ja at this point. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.080 He he cannot handle josh U J's speed. He goes 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.440 right around him every single time, whether it's one on ones, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.440 it's team Judaan, same thing right around him. Uh. And 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.079 then cityso has been. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:42.640 He's a project player. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.600 What's a nice word to say, He's a project City 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.440 So has Has is a project player. Yeah, but let's 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.480 let's leave it at that. So you're looking at those 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.560 three guys, and I I was a little bit optimistic. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.319 He has the measurables. He's a good athlete that maybe 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.040 City So is going to be a Mike on WINU, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.920 right like we all I think we all thought Mafi 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.360 would be that. But I'm just talking about in terms of, oh, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:10.200 maybe he has some upsidee yeah, it can play. I 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.199 no longer think that twelve practices and I don't think 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.880 Citi Show is a factor in any of this. In fact, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.480 I think if City So doesn't turn it around, that 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:23.079 he's a prime Foxborough flu candidate. I would also say 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.360 maybe the same about Jake Andrews, who has struggled as 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:31.680 well in camp. So you mentioned Mafi, and uh, they 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.920 really like Cody Russy as well, Russie. I think it's rusy. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.120 They really like Cody Russi as well. So maybe he's 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.360 a player that can play at guard and then, believe 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.280 it or not, I know that he's kind of forgotten 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.080 along with Andrew Steuber sometimes who also has been up 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.360 and down. By the way, but chasing Hines the last 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.880 two practices in pads is starting to get it a 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.520 little bit better in one on ones. Better in the 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.400 run game marginally, But I've seen a little bit of 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.440 something out of him compared to some of the other practices. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.080 And he's bigger and longer than some of these other options. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.199 He's he's like six three three ten. He's a bigger 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.559 tackle or bigger guard excuse me, than somebody like Mafi 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:18.880 who's just built like a stout brick. So I'm with you. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.360 I think that your guard depth because you made it 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.440 this way, but that's ship is sailed. Yes, your guard 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:31.080 depth is better than your tackle depth right now. So 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.080 I know they've been reluctant and they've been steadfast. Matt 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.679 grow got up there before the draft right saying that 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.719 we like on at guard, we're gonna keep him. I 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.200 mean that's going back to last year. I think Bill 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.160 said it. Yeah, I know they want to keep on 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:51.000 Oney at guard. But at this stage, when hopefully big 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.040 Mike gets back out there and gets off pup, not 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.240 only does it make sense for them as a team, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.600 but you can sell it to him pretty easily. Oh yeah, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.559 contract here, dude, You go play right tackle at a 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.920 high level in a contract year, maybe the rest of 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.000 the league starts looking at you as a right tackle. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.040 All of a sudden, you're looking at a at a 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.320 pay day, a pay. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.000 A couple more million dollars a year. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.160 Yeah, and I think that's an easy sell for him. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:23.880 So Mafi Russy, Russie Hines, if one of those guys 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.119 can show well in joint practices, put some good preseason 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.240 film on tape, then maybe maybe they allow you to 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.440 do that, and I would feel a lot better. You know, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.800 from left to right about Trent Strange Andrews. Let's call 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.480 it Mafi on WHU then I think I do right now, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:48.320 Trent Strange Andrews on when McDermott or Reef just based 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.520 off of what we've seen, but I got to see 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.080 it on film. And that's the best part about the 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.680 preseason games to me is the offensive line play. You 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.680 can't review practice film, so it can sometimes get lost 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.200 in the in the in the trees in there in 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.560 practice and it's hard to kind of evaluate it live. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.360 That's why one on ones are so valuable. So I 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.440 think that it can be fixed. And if you have 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.560 one weaker spot, and especially if it's a guard that's 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.640 really easily protected or schemed. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.800 Around, rather a guard than whole tackle. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.120 And it's if it's just one spot. Bill O'Brien and 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.040 and Adrian Clum will figure that out. So that's why 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.880 I'm not hitting the panic button yet, because this isn't 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:34.080 their group. If Trent Brown was a turnstile and Cole 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.360 Strange didn't look like he was taking that next step forward, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.000 and David Andrews looked at his age or was starting 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.800 to look older or something, then I would say, oh crap, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.760 like this is there. These are their guys and they 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.440 can't block anybody. Not getting too crazy about like the 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.360 fact that James Farrens is not holding up against Christian Barb's. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.640 Is it crazy to say we basically haven't learned anything 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.440 at the Offensive because that's what happened. I'm where I 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.280 was when camp started, maybe a little more down because 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:00.920 the two guys we have I've seen Riley Reef and 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.800 Conor McDermott, really Reef, those are the two guys I 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.440 think we've seen more in anybody, and they've struggled. But yeah, yeah, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.880 it's you know, I think a part of the offensive 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.040 line conversation was will, how does Trent Brown look? We 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.600 haven't seen him a ton can't answer that is Cole 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.960 Strange taking that year too. Jump haven't seen him, can't 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.320 answer that, so there's some uncertainty there. But what we 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.320 have seen, the limited amount we have seen from the 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.440 guys that figure to be factors, has not been good. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.280 Yeah, that's fair, all right, A couple more things and 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.040 then we'll get to the phones and the emails. I 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.840 want to talk about the quarterbacks. I'm sure we'll talk 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.640 about the quarterbacks throughout the show in some capacity, but 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.960 I know that this show and I don't want to 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.120 necessarily lump you in here, Alex, but we sometimes come 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.160 off a little bit as pro macll I at least 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.240 myself and last year certainly talking you know about Mac. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.120 I'm pro being right. I'm just saying what I think 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.760 is going to end up being correct. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.160 Fair, But I feel like some people, you know, come 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.800 at me. I'll give mack hank whatever. I'm sorry, but 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.080 objectively speaking, there's nothing to do with my feelings on 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.400 it whatsoever. The last six practices since we've been on 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.359 the air on the show, Macaz out played Zaby. He 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.919 just simply has and Zapi, I actually think, in some 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.439 ways has regressed. I don't know what's going on with 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.520 him with the side arm stuff in the in the 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.560 underneath throws. I think that still can I tell you 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.680 my theory on that, Yeah, you can. I still think 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:29.359 throw for throw put it differently. I still think down 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.800 the field they're about equal. Like, I don't think either 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.840 one of them is significantly ahead of the other in 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.919 terms of like playmaking or down the field throw making. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 In terms of like dropping dives, I think they both 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.639 can drop some dimes at the same rate if you will. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.360 Down the field. The smaller stuff like hitting the layups, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.000 the underneath throws, the timing to the short and intermediate 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.280 and accuracy really I think is even more important than 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.840 the timing accuracy to the short and intermediate area, and 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.280 how just the field book pre snap. I think all 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.640 that really has favorite Jones pretty much since the second 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:09.240 week a hand. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.480 As it should, as we've expected with Zappi, the big 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:13.720 problem for me and I actually thought he had a 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.760 really good start to camp and practice. He had whatever 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.200 it was, day four, whenever that Sunday was. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.280 That Sunday practice, Yeah, he looked really good. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:24.600 And since then the since then the issue has been 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.840 the past deflections, and that goes back. It was an 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.400 issue last year even when he was playing well, balls 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.000 are getting knocked down on the line of scrimmage, balls 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.480 are getting knocked down at the catch point. I wonder 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.080 if that's why he's doing more of the release points 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.320 stuff to try to throw the ball around defenders. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:40.920 That was my theory as well. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.960 But that feels like an over compensation, yeah, because if 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.200 you're going to destroy your mechanics, then it doesn't matter. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.840 Because now you're seeing him misthrows and he's over three. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.240 He's been overthrowing a lot, and I think that's why, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.159 because he's changing his mechanics. He knows he's going to 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.160 put more on the ball, right, and so that it's 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.000 a little concerning because I think as as much of 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.080 an issue as the past deflections were. Overall, he's playing 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.439 fine and it's nobody's perfect. Just kind of work your 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.560 way around it and play your game. And it was 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.359 true early in camp when he struggled. He had a 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.040 couple of practices when he was good. But it's it's 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.640 it's feeling like that again that he's just he's he's 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.600 trying to be more than himself. He's not letting the 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.160 game come to him. He's he's pushing himself a little 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.600 too much and it's it's hurting him. So I'd like 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:25.960 to see what we'll get. I think we'll get a 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.200 good look at him on Thursday night. I'd like to 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.840 see him as dumb as this sounds, just relax, Yeah, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.199 just go out there and throw the ball. Just go 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:33.080 out there and play catch. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.879 Both cornerbacks are susceptible to relaxing, you know, to getting 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.040 a little bit in their own heads. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:39.400 Oh. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.760 Absolutely, But we're not gonna see mac thirst yay, So 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.600 I just want to see Bailey's appy. Go out there 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.320 and play catch. Just go out there, yeah, you know, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.000 in the words of Drew Bledsoe, just go out there 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.720 and sling it right, have fun and and. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.080 It's good advice for both these guys. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:52.880 When he did that on Sunday, like you could tell 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:54.680 he was loose, he was in it, you know, he 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:56.800 was letting the game come to him and it was working. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:58.760 And he hasn't gone back to that as much since. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.160 Yeah, he's made some of the the better downfield throws 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:02.920 in the camp. Yeah so far. You know, the one 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.479 to trade Nixon I think is probably still the best, 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:11.560 the best throw down the field, But the inconsistency in 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.800 the first and second level throws is actually surprising to 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.480 me because he's a pretty accurate guy. Like he's somebody 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.440 that can control the ball. This is we're not talking 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.280 about somebody that that you know, just can't hit the 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.440 broadside of a bar, like he usually has pretty good 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.760 accuracy and control, even going back to college. But he's 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.719 had I think you're right. I think he's experimenting with 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.119 some different arm angles, some different vision sight lines and 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.240 things like that to try to see around the offensive 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.720 line and get the ball around defenders. And maybe that 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.280 mechanically has thrown him off a little bit. But yeah, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.359 I hope that he plays better tomorrow night too, because 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.119 right now, I just don't think it's particularly close, and 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.280 it's not about the drama between Bill and Mac or 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:53.159 anything like that. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.520 Although as somebody points it out on I forget where 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.640 I saw the other day. But Bill Belichick has also 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.400 not said Bailey's appy's name, in addition not saying Mac 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:02.040 Jones's name. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.359 I got to be honest, quarterbacks, I gotta be honest 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.760 with you, and this is this is no inside information, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.800 So don't please don't, like, you know, syndicate this or something. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.879 I don't think that Bill is crazy about either of them. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.240 I don't think he's crazy about the quarterback position in general. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.880 No, I don't think it's that. I think he understands, 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.280 like you know, like we we listen to him gush 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.520 about like Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson, and you know, 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.040 as much as everybody kind of think thinks that it's 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.159 still not real for some reason, Brady right like, you know, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.480 you hear him talk about those types of guys. That's 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.159 why I don't think that this has anything to do 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.679 with personality or anything like that, any of the drama 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:41.960 that people try to make it about, because I don't 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.720 I think he kind of looks at both of them 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.960 the same in terms of their their makeup or or 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.679 they're who they are, you know, as as athletes. And 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.600 I don't know, I don't think that he's like crazy 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.240 about either one, to be honest, But I think that 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.639 at the same time, I think that there is a 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.919 push organizationally that you use this first round pick on 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.800 Mac Jones. You did him no favors last year. He 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.200 was on the right trajectory after his first season week 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.280 in debate whether or not how good he really was 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.480 as a rookie, but he was certainly good enough as 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:14.879 a rookie. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.680 They made the playoffs, and. 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.080 You have more invested in mac Jones, you just simply do. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.119 And at the end of the day, if it's not 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.480 going to be, if Sappy's not going to go out 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.800 there and light up practice and significantly outplay mac Jones, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.880 where you have no choice but to make a change. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:39.040 It's going to be really difficult organizationally to walk away 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.280 from a fifteenth overall pick heading into year three and 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.040 say we're gonna go with this kid from Western Kentucky. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:46.960 And by the way, that's the right approach. It's way 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.560 too early based off what he showed you in twenty 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.800 twe and we've talked about this to cut bait on 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:52.720 him and give up when he essentially has had one 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.520 real year. Last year was not a real year. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:23:00.840 Okay, speaking of way too early, I'm gonna just throw 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.800 some water on on on something that I know that 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.680 some people are gonna get annoyed with this, and maybe 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.040 even you that I'm gonna do that. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.160 Guy, if you're going where I think you're going. 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.000 We got a chill with the rookie receivers. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.160 Oh, I thought I was close. I was close. 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.480 We got a chill. We got a chill, just hear 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:18.760 me out. 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:19.879 I don't know if we got chill tomorrow. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.439 I mentioned off the top that this is where we 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.679 separate the men from the boys. In my opinion, Da 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.480 Mario Douglas especially, but also a little bit Kaishawn Booty 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.520 as well. Both those guys have set the table to 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:37.080 give themselves opportunities to really make a push, not only 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.920 to make the roster, but maybe in Douglas's case, I think, 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:44.639 have a role on this team this year. But in 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.280 terms of talking about either one of those guys as 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.840 real whatever you wanted to call it, starter, impact player, 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.840 top three receiver, whatever phrase terminology you want to use. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.600 I've seen this movie before, I've learned from past mistakes 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.600 on these types of things. Until the games and the 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.880 joint practices start, all of this is just appetizers, and 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.000 you have to you have to take it with a 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.320 grain of soul in that respect. And the main thing 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.119 is and just with Douglas, because I think Booty's still 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.719 he's he's popped a little bit. Nope, you know, jumps aside, 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.600 he's popped. But it hasn't been quite as consistent as 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:28.200 to Mario Douglas. With Douglas in particular, he has twenty 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.600 three catches through twelve training camp practices. Nineteen of them 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:39.840 have been from Bailey's abbey, So he's not We used 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.600 to do this with Brady right, And the big one 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.080 I always remember was Austin Carr, And I think Tomorrow 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.840 Douglas is a better player than Austin Cars. But Austin 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.400 Carr caught like all of his passes in that camp 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.040 that everybody was raving about how good Austin Carr was 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.800 from the backup quarterbacks. He never caught a pass from Brain. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.280 But we've seen to Mario Douglas. To Mario Douglas has 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.560 tortured ma because Jones in this camp hees he is. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.000 And that's it. We all think Marcus Jones a good 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.639 corner and I'm not changing my opinion on that. I 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.760 believe he's a good cornerback. We've seen Marcus Jones be sorry. 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.280 We've seen Tomorrow Douglas be Jack Jones. Yeah, I've seen 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.480 that a couple of times. I if you want to say, 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.080 temper the expectations, like I see people say, oh, what 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.000 are his Rookie of the year odds? Yeah, you can 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.520 calm down. I see that. 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.639 I also see like starter, Like you want to call 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:25.480 that a top three weeks. 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:31.119 Here's what I'd say he has. We're two weeks into this, 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.359 We're two weeks into this five week process, right, Yes, 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.879 he has checked every box to this point. That is 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.120 the way I look at it. He has not done 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.639 anything to this point to lead me to believe this 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.680 is fake. Now, if he comes out tomorrow night and 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.400 just isn't a guy like just has a bad game, 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.919 all right, maybe we need to slow down and revisit them. 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.040 But I'm not saying it's fake. I'm just saying that 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.200 I'm still in the camp that we're talking about him 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:56.040 making the team. 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.119 Oh, I think he's making the team. 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.480 I don't think we're talking about him having a big 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.080 contribution yet. So there's Troy Brown said, too small of 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:05.760 a sample side. 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:07.800 But but what I will say is there's this second 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.160 part to that that we can get into because it's 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.920 not part of his rise up. The proposed depth chart 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.959 isn't just him, right, although we've seen him, you know, 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:18.960 in practice the last couple of days kind of take 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.679 on more of a role. But I think when you 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.720 have a guy that again he's checked every box. It 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.280 was you know, first was all right, Well, like, let's 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.000 just see how he looks as a player. All right, 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.000 really good route runner, he's explosive, cool, but he's small. 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.560 Let's see what happens when the pads come on and 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.720 he's out there throwing his body around and he's setting 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.119 blocks and he's you know, breaking off routes at the 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.520 top through coverage. All right, he's checked that box. You know, 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.760 you're gonna have the preseason game, you're gonna have joint practices. 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.639 Those are gonna be more boxes. But he keeps checking 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.639 those boxes. And he hasn't done anything yet. Correct me 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.960 if we're wrong. Has he done anything yet that you 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.760 can point at that and say that's why he won't 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:51.639 be an NFL player? 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.600 No? But because But what I will tell you is 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.080 is that you all can take your one on ones 0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.120 and seven on sevens and throw them out the door. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.359 I do not care that to Mario Douglas is undefeated 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.600 in one on ones. It's irrelevant, It doesn't it's not 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.920 real football. But but you see what kind of runner. 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.840 You see the movement? Absolutely, But what's going to happen 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.679 when that corner is playing underneath him, and then the 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.639 safety is playing at the at the intermediate level a 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.240 robber defender, and then the next defender is at the post. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.159 He's getting his Is he going to be able to 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.760 run through three guys? If he's getting that kind of attention, 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:25.399 that's excellent. 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.080 But it's not about just the like that's just the structure, right, 0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.840 Like that's just NFL football, so and one on ones 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:31.400 is just not. 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.320 But we don't know. I'm not going to blame the 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:34.679 guy for something that hasn't happened. 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.440 I'm just I'm not either. I'm not blaming him. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.600 He hasn't had a chance to check that. But I'm 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.399 just saying I think the hype is valid because he 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.680 checked every box at this point. I think there needs 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.840 to be an understanding within that hype that there's a 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.040 long way to go. Yeah, but I totally think the 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.080 hype is valid. Kaishun Booty is a little bit of 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:55.240 a different situation. He's more high floor high ceiling, lol 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.760 floor just because he's not a six. 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.720 Kashan Booty has done exactly what I expected, was have 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.560 these like isolated flashes where you're like, oh, there is 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.520 freshman year Kai Shan Boudie again, but it's it's not 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.960 consistent like Douglas. Douglas has consistently been open when he's 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.320 been out there. Whether it's against the twos or whatever, 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.560 it doesn't really matter. And you also see the quick twitch. 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.160 You see the route running, you see the change of direction. 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.000 You see that. I mean the route that he ran, 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.760 and I just crapped all over one on ones, but 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.440 like the route that he ran against Miles Bryant yesterday, 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.480 and one on ones was absolutely discussed. 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.040 But that's my point that you look at that. I'm 0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.960 not saying that I'm looking at the one on ones 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.719 and saying he won all his one on ones. He's 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.800 an NFL player, Yeah, But what you do look at 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.920 is you look at and you say that is an 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.680 NFL route. Yeah, that is a route that can beat 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.200 an NFL cornerback. And when's the last time that a 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.560 younger you were saying that about on a regular bas. 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.040 And of course I just went on this whole thing 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:52.920 about one on ones irrelevant and I'm going to credit 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.120 him for a one on one, but you were the 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.480 best part of that route was the little peekaboo that 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.840 he did. Yeah, because the he we knew he can 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.160 move the like his feet. He's fast, he's got bursts, 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.920 he's got quickness. But that little detail at the top 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.720 of the route to headfake like he's gonna go out 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.800 and then break it off back to the inside. That 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.120 that's what sold the route. That's what made the route. 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.480 I mean, look, it shows up on his tape at Liberty. 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.680 He's a very nuanced detailed I remember one thing I 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.560 watching again, this is like super nuanced. I don't know 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.440 if you saw his shoulders. Yeah, when he runs the route, 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.440 he sells things his shoulders like he can sell things 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.280 with his shoulders incredibly. Well, that was the one thing 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.200 that stood out to me. So no, I look, I 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:34.800 still think that he can I think he can play. 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.600 I think he's an NFL player. I mean I'm comfortable 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.080 saying that, you know, to what extent of an NFL player? 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.320 Is he top of the depth chart? Guys? He rotational guy. 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.040 That's only just that's my only point. 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.160 It's look, it's too soon to know that I'm not 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.800 saying he is. There isn't. I'm saying it's too soon 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:49.560 to know. But I'm not going to hold it against 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.560 him that it's too soon to know I'm not holding 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.440 it again, you're holding it against him a little bit. 0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.280 I'm not holding it holding it against the fans. 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.560 I'm holding against the hype, and I'm not I'm not 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.760 trying to like I'm not trying to attack anybody for 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.960 for hyping him up. I'm trying to just I'm trying 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.320 to be a realist with people like you come, you 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.040 come and listen to our show, and we're not gonna 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.000 tell you like about Malie Cunningham, like I know you 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.480 probably will, but like in a you know what I mean, Like, 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.160 we're not gonna sit here and say like this this 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.720 guy or that guy. We're trying to tell you what's 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.960 real and what's not, what's actually going to translate, what's 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:28.160 actually going to make an impact. And I'm convinced at 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.000 this point of camp that de Mario Douglas should be 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.120 on this football everything that, But I'm not convinced of 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:35.600 anything else. 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.400 But I've seen a bunch of things that I know 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.880 will translate. Everything he's done looks like it's going to translate. 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.360 It's just to what extent. But given their history wide receiver, 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.160 just as a six round pick in general, I think 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.360 getting that far is worth getting a little excited about 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.920 a little bit, a little bit it you hate fun, 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.920 you you're a little excited. There we go. I'll take 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.120 that you're a little excited. Well, I think the other 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.920 the other reason I started with this started for us 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.720 at the Shrine Bowl. And I'm not trying to toot 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.760 our own horror. People were tweeting about at me about 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:03.720 this yesterday. 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:03.920 But he saw it. 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:08.040 We knew, but we My point is that now, no, 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.920 come on video, you're gonna make you look try to 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.920 get a fist bump us. Do you remember. 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.200 So there's my point about bringing up the Shrine bol 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.440 is not to not to pat ourselves in the back. 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.080 My point about bringing up the Shrine Bowl is is 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:24.360 you talk about checking boxes. He was open all day 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:29.760 at the Shrine Bowl against granted draftable guys, not necessarily 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.440 guys that are going to make NFL rosters across the board, 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.160 but certainly guys that are going to be that were drafted, 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.240 that are are competing for fifty three man roster spots 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.520 across the league. So that that was the first box. 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.400 And he goes to the combine and he runs like 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:46.000 a four to four box, checked right and now he 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.080 comes here to the Patriots and and has been great 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.120 every step of the way that he possibly can be. 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.240 He's going to make the Patriots roster. Yeah, I think 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.800 we can say that now. I just I'm trying to 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.800 temper expectations of the impact he's gonna have on Sundays. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:04.000 I'm still not convinced that he's going to be what 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.760 everybody is hoping and dreaming that he's going to be. 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.320 I and it's not against him, it's just the realness 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:11.120 of the of the way camp. 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.000 But you're also not saying he's not going to be that. 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.000 You're just saying it's too early to tell. Because people 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:16.920 are going to hear that. People are going to hear that. 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:18.560 And by the way, somebody on YouTube said, you're the 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.959 greatest fensitter of all time. People are going to hear 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.640 what you're saying and think that you're saying he's not good, 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.320 and it's it's I'm with you, it's too soon to tell. 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.560 I'm just saying, if you want to enjoy the ride, 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.800 there's nothing wrong with enjoying your ride. Just don't you know, 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.760 Thursday's a big Night's a big night for him. 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.080 My biggest thing is is. I just don't want people 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.840 to all the media hype him up, all camp like, 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:41.880 where's the Mario? 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.680 But here's part of different. 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.800 He goes in and has like it doesn't play all 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.000 un healthy scratch. 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:48.959 But here's part of the reason. He's different too than 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.160 some of the guys in the past. You've heard players 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.440 hype him up. Dietrich Wise, who's a defensive lineman, was 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.560 hyping him up. Marcus Jones was very compliment What are 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.080 they supposed to say, We've got a bunch of good receivers. 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.880 That's that's what they always say. 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.760 You get sucks? Like, what do you mean, like. 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.080 I asked, so I was. We actually talked go ahead. 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.920 We talked to Douglas yesterday and he was talking about 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.120 how the Patriots coaching staff is taught him how to 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.640 read the ball as punt returner. So I I because 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.160 I'm curious about Bryce Barringer. I said, you know what, 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.800 what is the like catching the ball off Brice's foot? Yeah, 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.240 and he started, he goes, oh, he's and then he 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.600 call himself. He goes, we have two really good punters. 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:31.880 That is what they've done for years. What is he 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.120 supposed to say? What is sped say when askepect from 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:36.800 our Douglas, Yeah, we got a lot of good receivers. 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.680 The rookies are working hard. That's what they've always said. 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.720 That's always been the line. You know this, Evan, It's 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.560 always been the line. There's a little bit more buzz 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.320 from the players than to Mario Douglas then there typically 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:49.800 is for rookies a little bit. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.120 Okay, So here's what I'm going to say to all 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.200 this buzz from the rookies when we go to Green 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.000 Bay next week. If JayR is telling me that Tomorrio 0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.520 Douglas can play, I'll be. 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:00.880 Oh, okay, but that happened. 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:06.920 If you're just if I mean JayR Alexander from the 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:07.920 Packers is one of my favorite. 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:09.520 I don't think he's gonna cover him because he's gonna 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:10.560 be he's not a slot corner. 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.960 Well he'll see him, all right, and that's enough for me. 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.080 Like if JayR Alexander comes off the practice field and 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.799 somebody from the Patriots contingent, you know, media contingent out 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.440 there in Green Bay says, hey, Jayra, what what do 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:25.680 you think about sixty on the Patriots. 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.120 He's gonna say they got a bunch of good and. 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.560 He says he says that that boy nice or that 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:30.640 guy shouldn't be sixty. 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.560 At that point, I'm either it shouldn't be sixty at 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.000 that point. My hot take is I really need to 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.000 Mario Douglas to wear eighty because I need Troy Brown 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.759 to pass the baton. But it hasn't happened yet. All 0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.040 I'm saying is enjoy the ride. But I will say 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.120 here's I've enjoyed the ride up to this point. It 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.720 doesn't sound like it. It's just getting a little crazy. 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:47.719 That doesn't sound like it. 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:48.760 It's I I just so. 0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:52.279 So here's part of the reason I think with Douglas 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.320 in particular, it's getting a little out of hand. Yeah, 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.160 this is where we have to bring Taekwon Thornton in 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:02.080 because I think there was this believe coming into camp 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.640 that even if Taekwon wasn't great, there was going to 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:07.520 be a little bit of leash. And there was gonna 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:08.719 be a little bit of leash. Who's gonna have a 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.239 little more room to develop for two reasons. One, he 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.120 was the fiftieth overall pick a year ago. It's too 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.880 early to quit on that. In Two, even if he 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.600 was the fourth receiver behind Parker, Smith, Schuster and Born. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.000 He was gonna play because that's how they were gonna 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.279 get the speed on the field. And we weren't sure 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:25.640 there was any other way they were gonna get the 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.080 speed on the field. Well, now there might be another 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:29.879 way they can get the speed on the field. And 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.400 I don't know that Douglas has to be amazing to, 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:39.279 you know, beat out Thornton. If Thornton can't make it 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.240 work with mac Jones and Douglas gives you that speed element, 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.600 all that there is like kind of pushing Thornton in 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.080 the lineup is that fiftieth overall pick and that's gonna 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.360 dry up real quick, that that kind of cushion. So 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.320 that's why I think there's so much hype for Douglas. 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.399 It's not just that he's been good. It's that there 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.000 is a very direct line, like I can see, all right, 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.279 it's not to be good. This is how he's gonna 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.520 earn playing time. He's gonna play in a role like this. 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.319 But let's face it, let's face it, we all are 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.960 I'm not taking myself out of this rookie wide receiver 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.040 Pops and Patriots training camp is an easy headline that 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:17.640 that gets. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.640 Okay, there's a long Yes, there's a long way to go. 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.520 I get it, I get it. 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.080 Saying the hype is just getting a little crazy with Taekwon. 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.359 Yes, yes, let's have it. None of them work out, No, No, 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.200 because it's important. None of this is going to get 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.879 None of them work out until one of them does. 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:34.799 None of them work out until one of them does. 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.560 And it's it's they need the speed on the field. 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.719 If Douglas is going to give them the speed, that 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.560 the sixth round pick is going to be the one 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:42.160 that ends up. 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.000 Over the second round pick. Yes, but if they need 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:45.560 to get the speed up there is And this is 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:46.760 part of the reason too, when we're. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.759 Draft the skills set in the second round, like this 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:50.319 is just not. 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.279 That okay, But we don't need to revisit that. It's 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.399 just not this is This is why there's more hype 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.720 around around Douglass than Booty. And this is why Douglas 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.400 is getting so much of the hype because Taekwon Thornton's 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.319 had a bad camp on top of his good camp, 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.400 and it is very easy to draw that line and 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.000 it's looked like it. We talked last whatever was last week, 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.439 two weeks ago. About how if you want to say 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.200 the quarterbacks are competing, that's different than saying there's a 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.960 quarterback competition, because a quarterback competition is a very specific 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.040 set of circumstances where both players are rapping with the 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.800 same players against the same players, splitting the reps, et cetera. 0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.160 That's what's happening right now with Taekwon Thornton and to 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.120 Mario Douglas. It started like three or four days ago. 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.959 They're competing for that fourth wide receiver spot. That doesn't 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.040 mean Douglas has won it. That doesn't mean he's gonna 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.840 win Rookie of the Year. So don't tell me that 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:36.640 there's still a long way to go, because yes, I 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:37.200 know that. 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.120 But Jamar Chase Rookie of the Year. 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.920 But it feels like they're giving to Mario Douglas a 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.600 chance to prove he's better than Taekwon Thornton and earned 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.279 that fourth spot. Will he do it? I don't know. 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.520 That's why we still have two weeks to go, But 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.040 will you agree to that, Tomoro Douglas has gotten to 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:53.760 the point where he's kind of neck connect with Taekwon 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.040 Thornton right now and one of those guys is gonna 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:57.840 win that fourth receiver spot. 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.120 Yes, but I think they're different, so I I in 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.960 my brain, I have a tough time talking about it. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.760 They're different, but they're not incredibly different. 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.120 The Mario Douglas to me, is not a field stretcher. 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:15.240 Horizontally maybe, but he's not a vertical field stretcher. 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.879 They don't have the luxury I think of nitpicking that. 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.120 I think it's literally just they need speed on the field. 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:25.080 That's he's right, But he's to me what we have seen. 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.120 Although he was a field stretcher in college. 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.359 He was I don't know if that's gonna that might 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.000 have been a liberty thing. I don't know if that's 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:31.520 gonna work out. 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.920 That's fair, but like he you could try it, at 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:34.880 least you could try it. 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.640 But like he's like mid four fives or four fours 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.440 excuse me, Like a four four four I think is 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:39.880 what he ran. 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.000 I think he ran like a four four one. 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:46.640 Uh it's that's not four two eight's it? 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.640 Well, So this is to your point of there's still 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.520 time left. I want to see him Thursday night. I 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.120 want to see him against the Packers. We we know 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:54.480 he can do the underneath stuff. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.720 I knew you're gonna I knew you're gonna be pissed 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:57.160 off at me. 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:58.840 For having Let's let's see if he can do some 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:00.400 of the vertical stuff I thought you're take was going 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.120 to be. It's too soon a quote on Taekwon Thornton. 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:04.160 I'll get to that in a second. Let's take some 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.799 of these calls. I people have been hold on hold 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.480 for a while. We're definitely gonna talk Taekwon though. All right, 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:17.239 John is in Louisiana. What's up, John? John? A Hey, hell, Hey, 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.359 sorry for that leaving you on hold for so long. 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:19.719 What's up? 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.839 That's all good. First, I was just going to give 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.279 you all your calls, and I'm a big pan of 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.680 the podcast. Thank you actually having you just tweeting me 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.520 back on whether I was giving your flowers about. 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.279 The Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.840 Yeah. So my question is what's the new offensive coordinator? 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:38.880 As the weapons? Do you think we're going to be 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.719 a run to pass the ball or a pass to 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.480 run the ball. And my last question is, if you 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.200 had one dast stake, would you think Devin mccordy or 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.120 Stefan Gilmore but that's that's all I got got. 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.919 Okay that that last one is a tough one, John, 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.759 thanks for the call. So run to pass, pass to run. 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.399 I still think at his roots that Bill O'Brien wants 0:39:58.400 --> 0:39:58.960 to air it out. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.799 Well, he wants to throw the ball air it out. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.719 I think of more as like a deep Okay. 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.359 Yeah, but I still think he wants to throw the ball. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.280 I think it ideally to him would be like between 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.640 thirty five and forty attempts a game for Mac Jones 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.560 in his dream scenario. Will Bill the other Bill allow 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.000 him to throw the ball that much is a totally 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.760 different discussion then. Obviously, of course, it's all about success 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.479 and failure, right. You know, if if they're throwing the ball, well, 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.160 then they can keep throwing the ball. If they're not, 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:28.040 then they're gonna have to change. 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.359 Well there's is it O'Brien or Belichick who talks about 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.080 the screen being extension of the run game? 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:33.120 Uh? 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:35.800 I usually Belichick. 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.480 Ok So maybe that's the short passing game, the horizontal 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.919 passing game, screen game shirt certainly will all be part 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.000 of that. But I wonder if that's how O'Brien sells it. Yes, 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:47.120 and throwing the ball. 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.040 That's twenty eleven Patriots, right, that's you know, we're going 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.680 to throw the ball to to Wes Welker and it's 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.880 going to be a three yard pass that he's going 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.600 to turn into an eight yard pass and the eight 0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.520 yards per attempt on that throw is going to be 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.239 better than the four yards per attempt we're going to 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.680 average on the ground, right, And that's that's that's that 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.400 entire offensive philosophy. I still think that they're gonna incorporate 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:11.200 a ton of run actions, whether it's play action, RPO, 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.360 whatever the case may be, to keep the defense honest. 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.160 But are they gonna be like last year they were 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:20.080 run first team twenty one the ground and Pounty run 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.520 first team in twenty one as well. Are they gonna 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.799 be that? I don't think ideally, But again, it all 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.439 comes down to how well they throw the ball. Yeah, 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:31.439 that's what's gonna dictate that. Gilmore versus mccordy, I that's 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.080 a tough one because clearly, and I love Devin mccordy. Yeah, 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.160 peak Stefan Gilmore was a better football player, and it's 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:38.760 than Devon. 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.120 It's also you know that shutdown corner if I'm building 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.600 a defense. That's where I'm starting. Yeah, like I I 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.719 just as as a defence and I love Devin. And 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:48.600 if you're so, if you're telling me, if I have 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.319 to win one game, it's it's Steph. Because if I'm 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.040 building a defense, I want that shutdown corre. If you're 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:56.920 telling me, like I'm starting a team, yeah, Devon's leadership. 0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.160 Not that Steph wasn't a good leader, but Devon's leadership, Like, 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.800 I consider that, but it's just give me the shutdown 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.560 corner all day. Like that's that. That's you start with 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.200 a quarterback on offense, You're starting with a shutdown corner 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:08.760 on defense. 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.200 Yeah, I'm with you, all right, how David in Rochester? 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.920 We've been to Rochester. 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:17.799 Hey, guys, there's it going. 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:18.239 Hey. 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.480 Hey, So I had a running back question, and then 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.880 I had something for Alex. I think Alex might like 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.080 to Okay, I start with the Alex thing. All right, 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:31.160 So Alex, I think I speak for everyone here cash 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.920 twenty two listeners when I say that we need more 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.080 kicker and punter talk. 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.759 Yes, we'll get to what thinks. I love that good point. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:39.720 I agree. 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.200 Uh So my running back thing it was actually more 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.879 in free agency. Why do you think that the hole 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.480 Ezekie Alliott Dalvin Cook thing has gone completely silent? Are 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:50.920 we waiting for what the Jets are going to do? 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.640 Or are we just waiting to see what we have 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:55.799 in Strong and Harris. I'll take it off the. 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.720 Air, Thanks David and h. Yeah, Alex can do special 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.520 teams on his own time, which I will give him 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.560 time on a show. I have actually a take on 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.360 that question too. I just had talked about this yesterday 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.279 with felgerham Maz. I think so there's two reasons. I 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.239 think the veteran running back market's gone quiet, and he 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:11.280 kind of alluded to it. 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.879 One. I think Ezekiel Elliott, Leonardourette they're waiting for Dalvin Cook. 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.400 They want to let him see the first which my 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.920 whole conspiracy theory about how they were saving to announce 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.440 Dalvin Cook signing on Hard Knocks didn't pan out, But 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:24.960 I think those guys want to see the market set. 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.680 He actually got the second reason too. I think, yes, 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.080 the Patriots do need another running back, but they need 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:32.479 that guy for a week one of the regular season. 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.600 They don't need that guy now. They've got two young 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.880 backs and Kevin Harrison, Pierre Strong who didn't play a 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.440 ton last year. Why take reps away from those guys 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.399 At this point, I think that they've wanted to drill 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.080 those guys a ton, and not just so they can 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:48.160 get better, but also to evaluate and see because if 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.680 one of those guys emerges is a true number two back, 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.440 now you don't need Ezekiel Elliot or Leonard Fournette. Now 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.040 maybe you just go sign c J. Marobble as your 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.279 SFL guy they worked out. I don't know if it's 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:01.520 marablel or Mayor, but you go sign him as just 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.480 your depth back, and hey, Pierre Strong or Kevin Harris 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.799 takes over for Damian Harris' is that true number two? 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.759 If neither of those guys emerge, then all right, you 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.120 know you still got invaluable reps. And how long do 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.440 Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette really need to get going for 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.640 the season. A week, two weeks? So I think after 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.480 that Green Bay game is when they're gonna look at 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.719 it and say, all right, we've got them evaluated through 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.920 two games, two joint practices. Here's where we believe those 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.759 two are at. We need another guy, and that's when 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.480 they make the signing as it stands right now, I 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:32.879 still I think they need to add one of those 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.440 veterans because I don't think Harris are strong have been 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.520 bad in camp, yeah, but I also don't think they've 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.839 been good. They've just kind of been there. Neither one's 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.240 really popped, and they do need a second a number 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.800 two back who's gonna give you something because ramondra Stevenson 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:47.759 could not be a three hundred touch guy again this year. 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:49.319 He got burnt out by the end of the year. 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.080 He can't have that happen two years in a row. 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.320 I still really would like to see them at Ezekiel Elliott. 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.440 I wouldn't be mad about Leonard Fournette, but I'm not 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.239 surprised that they're taking their time with it again. I 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.640 think like a week from now is when that conversation 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:00.759 really starts to pick up. 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.520 Yes, I'm fully with you on on the timing of 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.440 it all, so I won't haven't necessarily need to go 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.719 into that again. But I think the biggest thing with 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.040 for the second year guys and what we've seen out 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.880 of them in practice. One, I will give them the 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.320 out that if your offensive line isn't creating the holes 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.160 in practice, and it's kind of difficult for you to 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:21.640 pop as that's fair. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.200 But like the big thing for them that Bill's talked 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:25.320 about this is in past. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.440 Pro they just but they haven't really. 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:28.759 They haven't had a ton of chances to do. 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.000 And that's why not even Remandre has really broken off 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.240 any like real big runs in practice. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.080 Well, but and that's but that's what I said. We'll 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:36.880 see these games, We'll see the joint practices. 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:40.720 It's also difficult to evaluate, especially guys like Kevin Harris 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.879 who's like a bowling ball, Like you're not gonna his 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.560 physicality and stuff like that is not going to translate 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.960 necessarily in practices where they're not tackling through the whistle 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.600 and tackling to the ground as much. And they do 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.560 the tackling drills and some periods are are quote unquote live, 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.640 but we're not talking about game type of reps now. 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.440 I the more that we get, you know, I love 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.160 Pierre strongly. I'm a peer strong guy. I want to 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.080 see Pierre Strong with the football in his hands as 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.680 much as possible, you know, not obviously as a number 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.680 one guy, but just as a role player. To get 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.600 that speed on the field and get him in the 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:20.439 open field with that speed. With that being said, there's 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:24.080 clearly a really good chemistry between Jones and Remandre in 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:28.439 the passing game. He looks to Remandre a ton Mac does, 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.160 and sometimes I think that that's not always the you know, 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.560 these little checkdowns and dump offs, like do those on 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.719 your own time. But at the same time, like they'll 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.200 he'll look at the if he gets Vermandre on one 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.480 of the linebackers like not like a true linebacker. I'm 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.080 not talking about like one of the safety hybrids, a 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.640 true line He's going there nine times out of ten. 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:50.400 So I think the chemistry that he has with Romandre 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.680 in the passing game is a factor. And all this 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.600 so with all that being said, I do wonder if 0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.520 it becomes more about Kevin Harris or potentially Zeke Elliott 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.439 or Leonard Fournette, then it does about a passing game 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.160 player merging and taking that away from Vermondre. And obviously 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.759 the passing game player would be Pierre stronger, like a 0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:13.000 healthy time Montgomery, because maybe they look at it and 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:17.160 they say wanta instead of Vermondre carrying the ball what 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.920 he had seventy catches roughly last year. So instead of 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.319 him carrying the ball two hundred times, if we can 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.360 get that down to one hundred and fifty one hundred 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.600 and twenty five so that he can still play on 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.040 third down, Yeah, he might be their best third down 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.880 back still, and so instead of he's cutting into the 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.239 early down work is the point. And if that's gonna 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:38.680 be the case, then it's gonna be Harris, it's gonna 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.360 be Zeke, it's gonna be one of these other bigger backs. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.680 That Although I'm also still a lot of post to 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.359 them doing a drive for drive thing like they tried 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.440 to do last year, I still think that should be 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:47.799 on the table. But the problem is they need that 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.680 second back who can do that. I think that they 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:50.880 which would be Fournette. 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.560 I think that Vermondre is too good. Like I think 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.640 that they look at Rimandre as a true bel cow 0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:59.080 And I don't know if they're gonna unless they unless 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.560 it's Dalvin Cook, I don't know if you're gonna get 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.920 your tat. I think that they're gonna look at everybody. 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.439 There's a reason not every team does that. It's because 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.399 it's it's super hard to have the personnel. But if 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.000 Fournette could maybe maybe you go two drives for Remondra, 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:14.520 one for Fournette and it's not one for one. 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.320 Yeah. I just think that they might be looking again 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:24.400 at more of like a Damien Harris guy than elevating 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.080 Pierre Strong to the James White role and having him 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:28.439 cut into the snaps that way. 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.880 Right, Somebody in the chat says Mac doesn't look to 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:31.959 throw the running back enough. 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.080 Okay, that had seventy catches last year. How many more 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:37.640 catches do you want to have? All right? 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.320 It says he looks to him last. 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.239 Okay, Devon is in New Hampshire. What's up, Devon? 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:44.160 Man? 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.440 All right? Mark is in Connecticut. Mark, I missed you 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.000 at practice the other day. I apologize, But what's going on? 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:52.920 Hey, Evan, No, it's all good. I know you're a 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:54.000 busy man. It's all good. 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:54.200 Man. 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.560 I saw the sargere over there. We gat it with 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:57.440 him for a little while. 0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:58.040 But there you go. 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.920 Anyway, running back, I was going to talk to you 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.000 about that, but you guys kind of already, you know, 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.520 intervene on that. But I'm still a fan of Denario 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.200 pop Douglass. I still think he's gonna make the roster, 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.399 and I think he's actually gonna be a pretty good 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.160 impact player. Wanted to get your take on that because 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.160 it seems like it kind of putting them down a 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:18.600 little bit. 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:21.600 Now, I know, I know. Thanks for the call, Mark 0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.279 and for listening. As always, I'm not trying to I'm 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.200 not trying to put him down. He's done everything right. 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.719 He's done everything right. Alex is right about that. He's 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.200 checked every box. He's done everything right. We all see it. 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.640 It's all tangible that you can see the quick twitch, 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.880 you can see the burst. I think, especially at the 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.799 top of the route's really there as well. But he's 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.799 really developed, and Marcus Jones talked about this yesterday, the 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.560 early stages of the route. He's getting even better at that, 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.680 like to release the stam setting it up, you know, salesmanship, 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.400 that sort of thing that's come along really nicely for 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.480 him as well. I think he's an NFL player. I 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.080 think he's gonna make the fifty three man roster. I 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:03.319 just need to see it against better competition, more significant 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.799 raps than than just regular training camp practice, joint practices, 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.239 preseason games. That's when I'm gonna find out, if to 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.040 Mario Douglas is a dude. I know de Mario Douglas 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.920 is a fifty three man roster player, But is he 0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:18.960 a guy? I don't know yet. 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.080 He is a guy. We don't know if he's a dude. Sure, 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:21.600 he is a guy. 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:28.040 They love, love, love Juju, Parker and Born. They love them. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.479 But it's gonna take a lot, I think to take 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.640 those three off the field for this coaching staff in 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:35.280 eleven person. 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.960 But again, to go back to the point I think, 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.319 and there is, there's got to be an understanding that 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:41.000 there needs to be a speed element. 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:41.520 I agree. 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.640 The other thing is, like, you know, I agree with that, 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.719 right and looks it's football. It's an unfortunate reality. Those 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:48.359 three guys aren't all playing seventeen. 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.960 Games, not especially not Parker and Juju. 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.319 Right they're not, So you're gonna have to And if 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.279 they do play all seventeen, it's probably because they're managing 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.080 their workload and they're mixing in a fourth receiver on 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.640 a regular basis. So again I think it's Dornton and 0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.439 Douglas battling for that fourth spot right now. And again 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.200 there's I will admit with you, there's a long way 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.799 to go. I think some people already have Douglas as 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:07.719 the guy in Thornton off the roster. It's too soon 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.280 for that, but it is trending towards at least Douglas 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:12.920 winning that. So let me ask you this though, to 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:14.160 go back to because you've got a lot of people 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.520 worked up about that. When is the last time? Because 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.120 so people go back to last year we had that 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.239 whole thing with little Jordan Humphrey and Trey Knicks and 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.880 a Christian Wilkerson. Remember, but like and we were talking 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.880 about them as like maybe being something. We were not 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.680 talking about them as definitively Samara Ducks. It was almost 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.600 by elimination. We just figured they were going to carry 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.520 a fifth wide receiver and those are the best options. 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.800 When's the last time you remember a Patriots rookie receiver 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.920 just to this point, there's a yes, there's a way 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.040 to go to this point. When's the last time you 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.239 remember a Patriots receiver having this complete of a camp? 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.200 I mean not in my time covering the team. 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.279 And that's the point, that's where the excitement comes from, 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:55.759 because that's totally fair. It does look different than it too. 0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.160 I just we talk about this all the time. I 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:04.360 have made mistakes evaluating players in camp in the past. 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.680 You're no, you're a little gun shot. 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.560 I'm not going to use his name because it's not 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.000 fair to Maurice Harris that we always throw him under 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.640 the bus, all right, but the point being is. 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.520 That you're a little gun shy buying in on a 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:20.400 fast player because he's fast, and a lot of guys, 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:24.520 a lot of guys just have good training camps like 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:28.040 out of nowhere, and it doesn't always it doesn't always stick. 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.160 I'm not saying that he's not going to stick. I'm 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.640 just saying again, I don't know if he's a dude yet. 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.640 I know he's a guy, I don't know if he's 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.239 a dude. And so here's why I think this one's 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:40.680 a little different. Maurice Harris. Some of those other speed guys, 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:43.520 they fell off when the pads came on. You could 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.839 see it. Douglas didn't yet. That's well, the pats have 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:49.759 been on. He's been good at this point, has been 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:51.799 on like five prask well, at this point it would 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.680 be more bad. I think it's more realistic. He falls 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.960 off against like other teams competition that it's just the 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.000 pads like I've seen enough that I believe he can 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.000 handle contact. That's my point is, and that's fair. 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.120 So let's talk about Taekwon for a second, because we're talking. 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:07.239 We're talking a lot about the receivers. Anyways, when it 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.239 comes to Taekwon, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:14.120 super disappointed. I'm upset. Yeah, I'm upset. And a reason why. 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.040 Another that you got burned on him in the spring. 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:21.160 The reason why I'm upset about Taekwon is because injuries aside, Like, 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.799 let's just let's just talk about when he's been out there, right, 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:26.680 the injuries and and all that stuff aside, Let's just 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:30.000 focus on when he's actually been out there. I think 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.799 he's gotten open. I think he's gotten open, and he's 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:36.279 doing it against the twos, which you need to add 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:40.719 that context. It's not always against Christian Gonzales one. Yes, 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.400 don't don't tell me about one on ones anyways. 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:45.719 In five minutes he'll be talking about how they matter. 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:52.560 That's fair. Uh, he has gotten open. What's disappointing about 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:57.040 Taekwon is he cannot freaking finish through contact to save 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:01.520 his life. And that's so frustrat because they need this 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.560 speed element, and I mentioned that Tomorrow Douglas is a 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.160 little bit different. I think Tomorrio Douglas's role with this 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.600 Patriots team is what we have grown accustomed to seeing 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:14.560 out of that quick twitch slot role. And he's faster 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:16.319 in a straight line than some of the guys that 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:17.680 have been in that role in the past. You know, 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.400 He's not he's He's faster than Needel Minner or Welker 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.240 or a Moondola or one of those guys. He's probably 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:27.320 more in like the Troy Brown Dion Branch mold. Yeah, 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.080 I think Deon Branch is a solid com but he's 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.640 to me, he's not He's not a take the top 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:38.200 off burner like Taekwon could be. And we've seen Taekwon 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.319 do it a couple of times. The throw that that 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.239 really frustrated me, and I just I was like, all right, 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:45.600 like this is just this is getting to a point 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:47.600 now where I don't think he might ever be able 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.920 to do this. He ran a post corner against Josh 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:56.759 Bledsoe got yeah, okay, like five yards of separation. He 0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:01.120 was open, wide open, Bailey zappy under throw it. He 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:07.000 flat out under through the pass. I'm getting too flat 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:09.920 out under through the ball, no doubt about it. But 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:14.160 Tayekwon adjusted to the underthrown ball, came back to it, 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:18.000 elevated above Joshua bloed cell and had the ball on his. 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.799 Hands for a beat. He had the ball in his 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.960 hands for a beat, and then when he brought it down, 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.799 he left it out like a loaf of bread and 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:27.400 allowed Joshua blood Still to just. 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.080 Knock it out of his hands for an incomplete pass. 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.440 He's not going to win with physicality, we know that. 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.040 But he is six foot three and the fact that 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:42.320 he cannot win, it's not about winning like DeVante Parker's 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:46.080 style jump balls. Go watch a lot of these speed 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:49.799 guys around the league, and as much as Tyreek Hill 0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:53.440 might get five yards behind the defense once every two 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:57.200 weeks or something like that, he also is able to 0:55:57.239 --> 0:56:00.400 get a step and then finished through the con attacked 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.120 at the catch point. If you can't do that and 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.759 you're only relying on the times where you actually just 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.800 blow by the defense and beat everybody by five yards, 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:12.080 then you are are You're gonna be a situational like 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:17.880 sparingly targeted player. What separates the deep threats in this league? 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.520 What separates guys like Tyreek Hill from guys like Philip 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:23.919 dor said, is that they can finish at the catch 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:26.400 point and he can't finish at the catchpoint. So what 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:28.840 good is It's such a waste of talent because he 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.120 can get open, he just can't finish the play. 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.680 There was another play, this was the same practice, I 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.400 think was this Monday. I think it was a Bundy 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.319 where he got open in the end zone. Like we 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.040 talked about the red zone struggles at the beginning, he 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.000 got to open in the end zone. And I mean 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.319 it wasn't a perfect throw from Zappy. It wasn't between 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.000 the numbers. It's a little off his frame, but it 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:48.759 was like it's a fine throw. You wouldn't look at 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.359 it and say it's a bad throw. But he had 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.040 to go away from his frame and catch it. So 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:53.560 he goes out, he catches the ball, but he can't 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:56.839 bring it into his body. Rodney Randall gets over and 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.920 just hits him with his shoulder like in the side, 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:00.880 like you know, very normal football player. Give them a 0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:03.640 littleholder check and Thornton dropped the ball. Yeah, and it's 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.799 it's again that thing where catching through contact as a 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:13.040 hands catcher Look, it's been the Patriots history at wide 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.919 receivers obviously very convoluted and complex, and it's very hard 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.240 to be like, all right, what kind of guys do 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:20.960 work here, because it's been so hard to find that. 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.720 The answer to that to Mario Douglas, Yes, well, if 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.920 there is just draft to Mario Douglas in the second 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:30.560 freaking round, sorry, that would have been uh uh tank Dell. 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:34.240 If just just like you know what skill set works, okay, 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:37.640 but so just take that skill set and drafted from 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:40.560 a power five or from like a top one hundred prospect. 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.240 Why why do they do this? Why it just to 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:45.800 let me finish my point if there is one individual 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:49.480 skill so the three cone in the agilities won another one. 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:51.280 And I don't think this gets talked about enough. If 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.880 you go back to Dion branch through, you know there's 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:57.640 a bunch of guys here. Julian Edeman who's great at this, 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.440 Brandon Cooks is great at this, Moss Gronk obviously, uh 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:04.360 Welker hands catchers. So what that means is like a 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.080 body catches a guy when he catches his ball, he 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:07.760 brings in the body. That's why he makes the catch. 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.000 Hands catchers. You can go out, you can catch the 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:12.520 ball away from your frame, and even if there's contact, 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:14.040 your hands are strong enough to hold onto the ball. 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.040 I'll give it to Keishan Boody. He's a good hands, 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:16.840 good hands catcher. 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:18.800 That's another. Mikeasicki is a guy who's looked like a 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:21.680 really good hands catcher early in this practice, in this camp, ridiculous. 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.440 Taekwon Thornton not a hands catcher remotely. And that's a 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.800 that's a a focus. It's it's a balanced thing, and 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.200 it's a it's a play strength thing. And we know 0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.360 his play strength isn't great. We've known that, and it 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.720 was something you'd hope would get better going into a 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.080 second year. That hasn't been. And when you have an 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.080 accurate quarterback like mac Jones or you know, this is why, 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.480 this is why these guys worked with Tom Brady, because 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:46.640 when the quarterback knows you can go away from your 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.520 body and make the play, it essentially increases the window 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.240 he is to throw the ball. That might open up 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:54.800 some windows that don't otherwise exist. Mac Jones can capitalize 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.600 on that, not to the level Brady could, but he 0:58:56.600 --> 0:59:00.920 can capitalize on that right exactly if you can't go 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.720 away from your frame to catch the ball, and away 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:05.280 from your frame doesn't mean to the side, it also 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.400 means up in Taekwon being six to three, if you 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:10.200 can't go away from your frame to catch the ball, 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.280 that doesn't do the quarterback a lot of good. And that, 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.600 to me is what's been more discouraging about Taekwon than 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.000 anything else. It's been his hands. 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.680 Yeah, it's been extremely disappointing that because you see, like 0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:24.280 on the Bloodsteat play that I described, he's six three 0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:26.640 and he's got a pretty good wingspan, so he goes 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:28.840 up to catch the football and you're like, that's a 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:29.760 pretty high level. 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.200 And we've talked about this, and I know you hate it, 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:33.560 but we've talked about this. That's going to be a 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:36.600 big part of their offense this year. Vertical separation, low key. 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.680 Climbing the ladder with t with with tall reek right like, 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:43.080 you're getting up there, but he can't hang onto the football. 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.920 And I think the difference is and this is why 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.720 I look. I I probably was was the last one 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:53.000 that that believed anything in Nikil Harry also, but with 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:57.760 Nikil Harry, he was stiff, he was slow, he couldn't 0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:58.720 run routes. 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:00.400 Like you another guy that wasn't a good hand catcher. 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.160 But we saw it like almost right away that this 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.200 guy just didn't move at a first round level. Like 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.800 it just he wasn't explosive, he wasn't a good route runner. 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.680 He couldn't change. It was just he wasn't an NFL 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:17.440 athlete like people thought he was. I think Taekwon Thornton's 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.320 an NFL athlete. I think Taekwon Thornton's speed is legit. 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.880 I think it's difficult to win to when. 1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:26.480 He and that That's why I'm as much as I 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:28.320 just kind of dug into him, I'm not ready to 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:29.040 give up on him yet. 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:31.640 Yeah, I think all those things are legit. It's the 1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:34.240 details that are just not there with him in the hands, 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.360 the ability to you know, the route running in the 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:40.120 in the fundamentals of route running, in terms of the IQ, 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.480 like all those types of things. The other veteran guys, 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.200 and I know he's only in the second year, but 1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:49.520 you want we can watch it against like Parker Juju Born, 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.920 like those guys are just so far and away better 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.800 at the catch point, yeah than Taekwon is. It's so 1:00:57.120 --> 1:01:00.240 obvious watching them play football on a day to day 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.160 basis in practice. And that's why it's so frustrating with 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:06.280 Taekwond because he does the hardest part. The hardest part 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.400 is getting open. Yeah, he does the hardest part. He 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:11.400 just can't do. He can't do the rest of it. 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:15.680 He he wins on ninety five percent of the route, 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:17.960 but it's the last five percent that he just can't 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:21.320 close the deal. Yeah, And if he can develop that somehow, 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:25.160 it's not about like adding muscle to his frame. 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.760 It's it's but that would help at the catch point 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:29.640 because if you have stronger hands, it's easier to hold 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:30.800 onto the ball through contact. 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.120 So but that is part of Maybe it's the small risks. 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:35.320 Maybe it's a small ruce. 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:36.000 Maybe it's just. 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:38.720 Maybe he just got no restraint. It's it's I mean, 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:40.200 we're joking, but we're not. 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:44.439 It's it's it's it's frustrating to watch because you watch 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.440 him run by these guys and he ran a he 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.040 beat Isaiah Bolden and seven's a little stutter and go 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:51.840 and he caught it. But he caught it in the 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:54.240 bread basket, which is totally different than what we're talking about. 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:57.320 And I was like, there you go, like that's doable. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:02.400 The post corner should be like a a patented Taekwon route, 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:06.000 that should be something that is a foundational I'm a 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.800 four to two eight guy. You can't cover me on 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.560 this and he got open and yeah, and in an 1:02:12.600 --> 1:02:14.960 ideal world, would ZAPPI have led him into, you know, 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:16.640 down the field and he would have walked into the 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.880 end zone. Yeah, of course. But still that again, it's 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.640 not always going to be perfect conditions, right, and we 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:25.240 talk about this all the time with the quarterbacks themselves, 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.160 that it's not always going to be perfect conditioned. So 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:29.680 that's your Taekwon man. I'm not ready to give up 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.000 on Taekwon. I don't think you are either, but certainly 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.720 in terms of playing time, it's getting to the point 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:41.160 where he's the fourth guy at best. At this point, I've. 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:41.680 Given you that whole take about you've got to do 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.200 what's best for mac Jones and if having Tomorrow Douglas 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.240 on the field, and I think Mac Jones really likes 1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:49.200 Tomorrio Douglas, if having from his hometown, if if he's 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.200 a legend his hometown, Max said, and we know Taekwon, 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.800 there's been a couple of miscommunications with them here so 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.120 far the summer. If Tomrio Douglas being on the field 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:58.400 is better for Mac Jones than Taekwon Thornton, then Tomorrio 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.720 Douglas needs to be on the field over Taekwon or period. 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:03.120 Yeah. All right, let's get it back to some of 1:03:03.120 --> 1:03:05.000 the phones here, and I do want to talk defense. 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:07.640 We do. Yeah, this is like two shows. Well, definitely, 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:09.840 it's kind of weird camp for the defense though, because 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:12.680 outside of Christian Zalez and Marte Maphu, they just brought 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:14.000 back everybody from last year. 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.120 It's you knew exactly what you were gonna get and 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:16.880 it's looked exactly. 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:19.560 There's really in a very good way. Is there really 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:23.680 any news on the defense other than Christian Zalez? Is good? No, Like, 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:25.400 I want to talk about ke On White, but we 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:28.800 just against the third string offensive lineman. We can't do it. Yeah, 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:30.560 I'll talk a lot about ke On White after the 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:31.120 game tomorrow. 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:31.400 Yeah. 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:33.160 I think that that's sort of something that we're looking 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:35.960 at in terms of the game tomorrow and then obviously 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:39.920 moving forward. Is that some of these defensive guys I 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:41.960 think need to be tested a little bit more. And 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.480 I'll we'll see what that looks like. I love the 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:50.600 fact that the Christian Zalces look fantastic. He even when 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.920 he loses, it's not because he gets burnt. He's just 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:56.320 you know, trying to figure out some of the final 1:03:56.800 --> 1:03:59.720 elements of his game, like anticipation in ball skills and 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:03.680 stuff like that. But he's in receiver's hip pockets basically 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:07.720 all the time, and he's really impressive. We've all said that. 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:09.600 I think the biggest thing for him, which is what 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:12.320 I really like, maybe not against the Texans if he 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.760 plays a little bit tomorrow night, but in terms of 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:17.280 the Packers and the Titans, he's he is going to 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:20.240 start to see some better receivers in those joint practices. 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:24.760 Like perfect example, Christian Watson on the Packers is a 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:27.760 great matchup for him, right. I even think Romeo Dobbs 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:31.960 is a solid matchup for him, but Christian Watson in particular, big, fast, 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:35.600 physical outside receiver. Those are the types of guys that 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:38.200 he's gonna have to cover and cover well. And then 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:39.960 we get to Tennessee and we know, you know who 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:42.520 is down in Tennessee, and so is Traylon Burke. So 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:45.360 we both didn't really love, but still another big, size, 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:48.240 speed type of receiver as well, So I think that 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:51.560 he has some warm ups. Certainly, Burke's was supposed to 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:54.000 be AJ Brown and he's gonna face see J. Brown 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:56.440 in week one, so it's kind of like minor league 1:04:56.440 --> 1:04:58.480 a J. Brown and that can get you ready for 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:02.800 major league a J. Brown and one. So yeah, so 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.400 he loved what we've seen at of Gonzales. Uh, the 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:08.520 safety position is still I think if you have to 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:11.680 look at one, I don't want to call it. I 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:15.080 guess better not concerned question mark. I'm still not one 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:17.880 hundred and ten percent sure how it's gonna look in 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:21.000 center field. I don't know how much they're gonna really play. Yeah, 1:05:21.040 --> 1:05:22.439 I don't think there. I just think they're not gonna 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:24.200 do a ton of centerfield stuff. Yeah, it's kind of 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:27.920 been my my takeaway from it, Yeah, because I just 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:30.920 don't love they don't have anybody up there. And I 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:33.440 think one of the things that there's two things about 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.959 it that I think are really the key, and one 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:40.840 is obviously recognition and anticipation of route combinations, right, Like 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:44.240 you have to be able to know what the what 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:46.680 the offense is running and figure it out quickly and 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:51.160 anticipate and recognize formations and things like that, situation formations 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:54.320 in a say, situation like down in distance, formations like 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:56.880 That's what made Devin a step ahead so often was 1:05:56.920 --> 1:05:59.120 that he was able to recognize those types of things 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:02.360 pre snap and then understand where the biggest threats were 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:04.640 and how he can help and things like that. And 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:06.919 then obviously it's the flip and run talent, like who 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:09.920 has that ability to get into the pedal and then 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:12.360 see that it's coming over the top and flip and 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:16.080 run with the in close right on a go ball 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:19.640 on the sideline. Adrian Phillips talked about this a little 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:22.880 bit when we talked to him. Devin could sit in 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.600 center field and he could go sideline to sideline. He 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:29.200 could just sit in the middle of the field and 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:31.760 be able to make a play on the go ball 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:36.240 side on the boundary up the numbers. They don't necessarily 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:38.920 have a guy that can do that. Now, So is 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:42.040 it tilting it like? Is it cheating it over to 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:44.200 that side? Is it more too high? 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:44.560 Like? 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:47.960 I still don't think we've necessarily gotten that answer, because 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.720 they're not really game planning or scheming at that type 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:53.400 of level. Yet in practice, that's the one area that 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:55.440 I've been a little bit like, we still got to 1:06:55.440 --> 1:06:58.400 wait and see on this. The defensive front is ridiculous. 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:00.720 Like they got like seventeen guys that they can throw 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:03.360 at you. All of them can beat blocks. Keon Whitees 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:05.959 looked fine. I think he's gonna be a rotational guy. 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:08.880 Josh U J. Connor I mentioned it earlier. Connor Precdermot 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.760 must have him in his nightmares, like he can't can't 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:15.320 block his speed. Ye, judea On is like just didn't 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.640 even look like he missed a practice when he got 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:20.480 out there with the pads on, and you know, Godshaw's 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:23.320 going to do his thing. Dietrich Wise, I think is 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:24.880 still going to be at the level that he was 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:30.720 similar to last year. I know that people regardless, like 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.880 you can ask national media like a lot of people, 1:07:32.960 --> 1:07:34.640 but I think the Patriots have one of the best 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:35.840 defensive fronts in football. 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:38.680 I would say so too, especially if it's going to 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:39.280 take that jump. 1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.880 I still think San Francisco's is better than there's probably 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:44.800 and maybe San Francisco's. Philly Dallas like those are something. 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:46.800 It's kind of weird because people have asked me, like, 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.439 how good can the Patriots defense be? The balance did 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:53.720 the lack of balance in defense between the AFC and NFC. Like, 1:07:54.080 --> 1:07:56.440 I feel confident there's three teams in the AFC that 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:57.840 are going to be the three best defense as well 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.480 above everybody else. The Patriots, Jet Steelers, will would order 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:02.040 that ends up being in I think they all have, 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:04.840 you know, for the Patriots, it's where's Christian Zales at 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:06.920 for for the Steelers of health for the Jets at 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:09.360 Sauce Gardner year two. But those are gonna be three 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:12.160 top defenses. But I don't know that any of those 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:14.200 three would be even top two in the NFC. So 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:16.760 it's like this weird thing trying to balance between those two. 1:08:16.920 --> 1:08:21.360 Yeah, it's their Patriots defensive front is legit, Yeah, legit, legit. 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:26.000 Marty Mapu still in the Red Jersey, that kind of 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:29.080 I still think they're trying to figure out where exactly 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:31.679 he fits best. They're not listening to me about using 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.439 him solely out linebacker yet, so I still think that 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:38.559 that's a preseason thing and maybe joint practice thing where 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:41.439 we kind of hone in on exactly how he's gonna 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:44.960 be used. I still think that he's gonna be a 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:48.960 situational passing game player, coverage linebacker right, comeing on third 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:51.840 down and cover on third down instead of you know, 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:54.320 maybe Juwan Bentley then moves forward and plays in the 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:57.760 rush or comes off the field. Jalan Tavai certainly comes 1:08:57.760 --> 1:09:00.320 off the field, and that that makes room for Martypu 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:04.040 and you know, Jack Jones. Like Jack Jones, he's a 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:06.280 good player. Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen 1:09:06.320 --> 1:09:08.400 with him off the field. He has that a next 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:11.960 hearing on August eighteenth, So my guess is he won't 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.200 be with us in Green Bay. He'll probably be back 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:16.960 here right and it'll be interesting to see what it 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:22.240 looks like come August eighteenth, because that's I believe he's 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:24.760 been arranged. So I believe that that's like the first 1:09:24.840 --> 1:09:28.080 hearing where the state brings their case to the table 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:30.400 and they have to prove that they have a case 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:32.840 against him, and at that point then it goes to 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:37.280 you know, trial date and things like that. So we'll 1:09:37.320 --> 1:09:39.600 see what happens on August eighteenth with Jack Jones. But 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.720 I love the idea, and obviously it matters if he's 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:46.000 going to be out there but they have John Jones, 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:48.599 they have Christian Gonzalez as these two guys that are 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:51.080 just they're gonna put straps on guys, They're going to 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:53.760 live in their hip pockets. They can cover these receivers 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:55.960 man to man, and then you have your ballhawk on 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:58.439 the boundary and Jack Jones, And I think that that 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:02.439 really allows him a Kyle Dugger like some of those players, 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:05.840 to just rove the defense in the secondary and become 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:09.479 ballhawks and go ahead and create those turnovers. So I 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:13.240 love that balance of having that ability there, and obviously 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:15.600 he does bring a little bit more size to the 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.960 boundary as well. What are your thoughts on Isaiah Bolden? 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:22.519 Are you? I just rained all over the Pop Douglas parade, 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:23.760 so maybe we should do that too. 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:24.000 Well. 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:26.160 No, so I got super excited about Isaiah Bolden. Then 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:28.320 the last couple of days, you know, he got elevated 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:30.920 to more premier reps against better players, he kind of 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:33.400 came back down to earth a little bit. I like 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:35.920 his long term projection as like a third boundary corner. 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:38.960 So he's a guy and kickoff returner and a kickoff turner. 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:40.160 Like I think it's come down to like him and 1:10:40.160 --> 1:10:41.600 a mere speed. A lot of people have it that 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:44.240 way if they don't have to burn because people are like, 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:46.280 oh you cut a guy bringing back on the practic squad, well, 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:47.679 then you burn his rookie contract. 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:49.120 And I wouldn't do that. 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:51.720 I to me, like, do you want to be going 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:53.479 year to year with Isaiah Bolden if he turns out 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:56.439 to be a legit boundary corner right? So item as 1:10:56.439 --> 1:11:00.320 my fifty fourth player on my last roster projection. I 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:01.479 did because they like him. 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:03.840 But that's the one that's gonna kill people. 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.080 But now, honestly, Miles, the more I think about it, 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:08.320 Miles Bryant's on a one year deal. He's definitely guy 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:09.960 you could cut and bring back. And I don't think 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:12.280 he's waivers eligible either. I think he just becomes a 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:13.160 free agent, so. 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:16.280 He might have played too much to be a wave 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:17.919 res eligible agent. 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:19.559 That's what I'm saying. So you wouldn't have to worry 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:21.400 aout anybody claiming him. You just tell him, hey, he's 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:25.240 only in year four, right, Yeah, yeah, I think, but 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:29.280 he's not on his rookie deals, but he's not anyway. Yeah, 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:32.679 I like what I've seen from Isaiah Bolden. He's more 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:36.160 kind of with him. It's more all right, Like I 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:39.320 like him as a project player. He's a good emergency 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:40.880 option on the boundary. Like I'd rather have him on 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:42.920 the boundary than Marcus Jones or Jonathan Jones. I like 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.840 having that side speed speed option on the boundary. He's 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:48.519 not passing Jack Jones on the depth chart at anytime soon. 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.400 But if you lose Jack Jones for a period of time, 1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:53.840 if he needs to give you two or three games, 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:55.759 I think he could maybe give you two or three games. 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.280 And he's a guy I'm more excited about, like year two, 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:00.720 year three, where does he develop a corner? And he's 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.559 a guy that you know, when Jack Jones contract gets up, 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:05.479 could he be the next man up there? 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:07.320 Yeah? I would. I would like to see them try 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:10.080 to keep Isaiah Bolden From what I've seen, Yeah, I 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:12.439 think that he's one of those guys that you just 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:15.320 mentioned is only going to get better as he progresses. 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:18.160 Especially if you can say all the flak you want 1:12:18.200 --> 1:12:21.920 about the Patriots developing receivers, they can develop corners. They 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:24.120 can definitely develop corners, and I think that they would 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:25.360 be able to develop Isaiah. 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:27.599 Maybe that's why they can't develop receivers because they develop 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.479 all these amazing corners. Just blank these guys and it's 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:32.479 literally just make them give him mirror, like. 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:35.599 Just just do the opposite of what you tell the corners. 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:39.120 Like I don't understand Isaiah Bolden, I think has that 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:41.400 ability like you mentioned, to play on the boundary, which 1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:43.640 I like. I think he's got the physical tools due 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:47.800 And I know that Marcus Jones is Marcus Jones and 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:51.160 he's going to be back there on kickoffs and punts 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.360 in some capacity. But I don't hate having a guy 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.800 like Isaiah Bolden potentially as the kickoff returner instead of 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:00.280 Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones fast, don't get me wrong, but 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:04.000 Isaiah Bolden's a strider, right, and sometimes the striders are 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:05.000 better off on kickoffs. 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:07.760 And Mark Jones talked about this like he's more of 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:09.840 a punt returner than kick returning. He's more experienced at that. 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.120 The interesting battle if we get to that point, will 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.880 be Tomorrio Douglas is also a really good kick returner, 1:13:14.960 --> 1:13:16.760 so we'll be him and Bolden for that kick return. 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.360 I just always look at kick returns as like you know, 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:23.080 like Cordarol Patterson is obviously the the gold standard for 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:26.760 kickoff return obviously. And he's like tall and big, you know, Like, 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:31.000 I think the at that spot, you you want a 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:33.920 long strider more than you want the jitterbug, right, Like, 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:35.720 That's that's always how I felt a better. 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:37.479 Yeah, but I think that if you're good enough jitterbug, 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:38.200 you can make you work. 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:38.439 Yeah. 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:41.040 That's fair, all right, especially actually with the new rules especially, 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:42.679 I think that will make it more favorable to guys 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:42.920 like that. 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:44.960 Yeah, all right, let's take some of these calls and 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.559 then then we'll get to Alex's special teams minute before 1:13:47.600 --> 1:13:50.559 we wrap the show. But eldred And is in North Carolina. 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:51.320 What's that, Beldrid? 1:13:53.200 --> 1:13:57.880 Hey Ellen, I got a bone pick? 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.320 Oh yeah, okay, sir, one. 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:05.320 On one the seven on seven are football because if 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:06.800 you can't get open on one on one, you sure 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.080 ain't gonna get open on Sundays or Fridays or Saturdays. 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:11.960 Whenever you play, you're not gonna get open. So that 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.599 is real football, you know, because you got to develop 1:14:14.640 --> 1:14:17.559 your skills in sets, and if there's seven on seven, 1:14:18.400 --> 1:14:21.440 you know you're going to get corners and stations and linebackers. 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:23.960 But on the difference, that you got on eleven. You 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.360 got lines coming after quarterback. He ain't worried about this. 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:29.160 Worry about the the guys in the secondary that's doing 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:31.880 the curving in the zone. So you got to develop there. 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.080 I'll give you one bone. I'll give you seven on 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:36.600 of seven. I'm not gonna give you one. 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:42.280 Okay, keep being stubborn, that's all right anyway, but uh 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:46.080 but take one. I love him, man. He played like 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:48.439 that on the game. If somebody hit him, he drops 1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:51.200 the ball, but he's wide open. He's wide open like 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:54.840 that on the game too. But uh that I wish 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:59.320 they got Jefferson to coach the wide receivers because I 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:01.559 don't think they can't coach right, be honest with you. 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:04.000 I know, I know my man is back there, but 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:06.920 Bob Brown, but they toy somewhere up. I don't think 1:15:06.920 --> 1:15:10.360 he really kept developing some of the guys, be honest, 1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:12.439 because we've got too bady to go in and out 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:16.040 and they don't go no way up after that. Yeah, 1:15:16.320 --> 1:15:17.240 that's what I'm wondering. 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:19.599 Yeah that that's a really fair point, elderd. And thanks 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:22.680 for the call, and we uh, well we'll settle on 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:25.479 seven on seven. Well, I'll give you seven on seven 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:28.559 has some translatable skills, so I'm not giving you one 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:29.639 on it. But I'm not here. 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:32.439 He's right if you can't win one on one. Nobody's 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:35.120 looking at the one on ones, just the one on ones. 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:37.000 It's saying he's gonna be great because he's winning one 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:40.000 on ones. But what some people might be all right, 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.599 well they're wrong. Like I said about Tomorrow, Douglas checking 1:15:42.600 --> 1:15:45.759 all the boxes. It's a box. It's a box that's checked. Okay, 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.200 it's not you even used one on ones before in 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:49.280 an example I did. 1:15:49.600 --> 1:15:52.400 You're right, I like I. I like Tomorrow. It's part 1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:54.960 of the story. That's I'm not trying to trap on 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:58.640 to Mario Douglas. We've liked to Mario Douglas since January, 1:15:58.800 --> 1:15:59.800 so like, this is our guy. 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:02.839 He told everybody about to Mario Douglas. We found Mario Douglas. 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.000 We did not find no remember his on that website 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:09.000 the Patriots, but a Patriots scouting staff knew about Tomorrio 1:16:09.000 --> 1:16:11.600 Douglas two years. I'm saying, like, outside of outside of 1:16:11.680 --> 1:16:14.439 NFL scouting rooms, outside of like people who are like 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:17.120 actual Scots, remember his draft stock on that website. It 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:19.800 was like like in the four fifty five hundreds, and 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:21.360 then we start tweet about him and boom, he's a 1:16:21.360 --> 1:16:22.080 borderline off one. 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:24.800 It was us okay, But here's all I'm saying about 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:28.719 the Mario Douglas. This is me protecting my own butt, 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:31.360 all right, because I'm gonna come up. You've gotten burned too, 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:35.560 and we're gonna tomorrow Douglas. Nobody can cover him. The 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:39.080 guy's unbelievable, YadA, YadA, YadA. And then in like two months, 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:42.600 you know, mid season, regular season, real football people are 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:44.919 gonna be like, oh, guy, do you remember when the 1:16:44.920 --> 1:16:47.439 the Catch twenty two guys said Tomorrio Douglas was going 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:49.800 to be the next you know, all pro receiver and 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:51.880 then he didn't even make the team. Michael, right, Like, 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:54.559 I'm just trying to say, let's just take it one 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:57.400 step at a time. That's it. Yeah, that's it. And 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:00.400 all those conversations about like who is he going to 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:02.519 push off the roster and is he going to start? 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:07.200 And is boringexpendable? Is Taekwon expend like word that's way 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:08.040 too premature. 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:11.000 Wait I talked into I'm not saying that either. It's 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:13.439 literally just he It's been a long time since a 1:17:13.520 --> 1:17:15.960 rookie Patriots receiver got this far, and that's exciting. 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.640 It is exciting, and it's the type of receiver that 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:20.519 I love, guy that creates it and not just. 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:22.720 That's the type of receiver that Bill O'Brien loves, like 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:25.320 you talk about. Yeah, I said thing before. Part of 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:26.920 the reasons. It's not just that he's playing well, but 1:17:26.920 --> 1:17:28.880 there's a clear path to playing time. I should add 1:17:28.880 --> 1:17:31.599 a third thing to that. Scheme fit Yeah, perfect scheme fit. 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:33.880 So so I'm not I don't want to get bogged 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:34.720 down too much on the week. 1:17:34.800 --> 1:17:36.840 We've done a lot of receiver talked last two weeks, so. 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:38.360 Well, I mean it's weekend's camp. 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:40.559 Yeah we can. We can go back to calls when 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:40.840 you want. 1:17:41.040 --> 1:17:44.040 I I gotta say though this, I was yelling about 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:47.439 it earlier jokingly. I'm dead serious about this. It is 1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:52.320 beyond frustrating that this team cannot recognize the type of 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:56.240 skill set that fits their offense and just draft that 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:57.280 freaking skill set. 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:59.000 So is it two years ago, three years ago? Who 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:00.479 is the guy I wanted that you're like would be 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:02.519 great Robinson? Remember how I was? 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.839 They're not gonna take them, okay, So like Wandell, Robinson's 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:08.599 a good example. Obviously we're gonna see him tomorrow night, 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:11.080 maybe John Metchi who thank god it good for him, 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:13.320 he's back in health and all that stuff. 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:17.559 A little bit different. But remember Tony and I know 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:18.800 that there's been some other issues with. 1:18:18.920 --> 1:18:22.160 The ton and and the Giants drafted him under a 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:25.360 Patriot regime like they so they're they're patriot guys. 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:29.280 Reckon Dell under a Patriots regime. Tank Dell, who's the 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:31.080 kid from Memphis, Calvin Austin. 1:18:30.880 --> 1:18:33.639 Calvin Austin. We went up against Marcus Jones a lot 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:37.080 and uh in that conference and uh and obviously a 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:39.880 big one for me was Sky Moore, Oh you really, 1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:43.920 who hasn't really done much in Kansas City yet. But 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.800 it's it's about the traits and it's about what's translatable 1:18:47.840 --> 1:18:50.679 to this offense. They have drafted Nikhil Harry Early, who 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:54.360 was a stiff like stiff and I mean stiff. Yeah, 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:56.000 bau Melt did. 1:18:56.560 --> 1:18:57.880 We loved vau Melt. 1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:00.280 Not not like to take shots at in thee. But 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.479 when I say stiff, I mean like literally stiff, like 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:04.880 he was a stiff mover. Yeah, okay, and then they 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:07.280 draft Taekwon, who's a one trick pony. It can only 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:09.439 get up the field and that's it. And then they 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:13.280 like they'd actually take a mouldable skill set for them, 1:19:13.600 --> 1:19:16.559 where all you gotta do is have Troy Brown teach 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:19.720 him to be Troy Brown, right, and like Jacoby was 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:20.120 the same. 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:21.639 Which we got to get into the Jersey number takes 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:22.320 it to the very. 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:23.800 I know that Jacoby is not the fastest guy in 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:25.640 a straight line, but he was really good at the 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.080 top of the route and he's got that craftiness and 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:31.280 that shiftiness and that's why it worked out. So instead 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.800 of taking to Mario Douglas and look at ultimately it 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:35.800 doesn't matter if to Mario Douglas is a dude, then 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:38.320 who cares that he went to Liberty and was drafted 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:38.920 in the sixth round? 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:41.240 Oh Marii Rodgers was another one. Sorry, I'm going back 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:44.920 through the old drafver. But Jalen Darton, Jalen Darton don't 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:47.920 do There's two things I do every day. I brush 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.000 my teeth and I get open that. I was sold 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:51.520 on that quote alone. 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:55.720 All right. The point being is is that we what 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:59.640 you could do. This is a bold assessment here. What 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:02.559 you could do is you recognize that Tomrio Douglas has 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:05.439 the skill set that you want. So let's just take 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:10.360 the guy that's Tomorrio Douglas, but like in the SEC right, 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:13.240 and let's just take that guy early and let's take 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:15.920 that the route runner, the technician, the guy that gets 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:20.000 open instead of the guy that is Nikhil Harry or Taekwon. 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:22.720 And let's just go that. Why can't we just do that? 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:25.280 And when I say we, I mean the Patriots, Like, 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:28.559 why can't the Patriots just do that? I don't understand 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.000 what's so difficult about that? With their valuations. 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:33.000 Let's I'll tell you this. That's it. 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:33.800 That's all I gotta say. 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:37.400 Texas A and m Ania Smith. That's that's the top 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:38.960 of this draft. Guy next year. 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:41.599 All right, let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's 1:20:41.640 --> 1:20:42.000 up Todd? 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:49.760 Hey? Hey, question is after watching a lot of the game, 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:52.280 what do you are the camp? What do you think 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.360 that the offense and defense? Are they kind of be 1:20:55.439 --> 1:20:58.679 more modern? Are they still you know Bill Belichicks mold 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:02.000 of you know, let's bend but not break. Let's you know, 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:04.920 control the game by controlling the clock and going on 1:21:04.960 --> 1:21:05.360 from there. 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:08.719 Well, Todd, that's a good question, and thanks for the call. 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:10.679 I get we kind of touched on this a little 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:13.360 bit with that pass first run first question. I think 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.439 it depends on who you ask in the building. And 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:17.040 I don't know if that's a good thing, Like I 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:20.120 don't know if there's gonna be a clear now when 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:23.439 I say that, I guess I should walk that back 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:26.200 a little bit. I think Bill Bill O'Brien will ultimately 1:21:27.479 --> 1:21:30.280 bend to Bill Belichick because it's Bill Belichick's team. He's 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:33.080 the head coach. It's his show, right, And I think 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:36.000 Bill Brian's been pretty steadfast about that speaking to him. 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:39.400 But I kind of interpreted that question is just stylistically 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.720 like it's gonna look more modern than it did last year. 1:21:41.720 --> 1:21:43.280 There's going to be more modern concert that. 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.920 But the point is is that are they going to 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:50.200 try to win game seventeen to forty or are they 1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:51.840 going to open it up a little bit and be 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:53.040 willing to win in a shootout? 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.280 And that it's probably yeah, it'll default to Bill, But 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:57.240 I think like the units themselves, I mean, the defense 1:21:57.320 --> 1:21:59.000 is going to be what it's been. That's not gonna change. 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:03.400 But the offense there's more of these modern concepts, RPOs, 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:06.240 more motion things like that, Like, yeah, you are going 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:07.200 to see a lot more of that. 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:10.120 I do think that I said it earlier. It all 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:13.439 comes down to the success, right, Like if they're good, 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:15.599 if they're good on offense and they're moving the ball 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:18.280 and they're throwing the ball, well, I don't think he 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:22.320 did it because he wanted to, but eventually Belichick obviously 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:25.600 once Brady became Brady, like, they threw the ball plenty. 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:28.759 They were a very aggressive passing team with Tom Brady, 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:31.040 but of course they had Tom Brady. If Bill sees 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.200 it and says, oh wow, that you know, I trust 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.439 the offense to throw the ball forty five times and 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:38.639 I think we can win this way now and all 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:40.400 that type of stuff, then it's different. When I say 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.400 forty five times, I don't mean because they're down by 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:44.439 three touchdowns. I mean a real forty five times. 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:45.320 Yeah. 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:48.320 I think it could be different, But until further notice, 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:49.679 I still think that they're going to be a team 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:52.479 that's going to try to squeeze every every second off 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:57.800 the clock. Ball control possession, don't turn the football over offensively, 1:22:58.240 --> 1:22:59.960 kick a bunch of field goals on fourth. 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:02.840 There's nothing wrong with prioritizing not turning the ball over. 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:07.120 There isn't anything wrong about but you obviously you need 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:08.400 to be more aggressive than they've been. 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.000 Yes, yes, I would agree with that. 1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:12.920 All right, Devon is in New Hampshire, is back on 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:21.679 the line. What's up, Devon? Hey? Devon? Ah Devin something 1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:24.240 with the phone? All right, we're coming to the end 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:26.840 here anyway, So Alex, I'm going to clear the four 1:23:26.920 --> 1:23:28.960 for you to give your special teams a minute and 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:31.840 maybe I'll interject, maybe I won't. What was your take 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:33.160 today on the special teams? 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:36.160 I mean, the rookies are running away with both competitions, 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:39.479 you know, Chad Chad Ryland and Nick Folk. They've both 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:41.280 kind of had like three for four, four for five, 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:44.600 those kind of days. But when Nick Folk kicks a 1:23:44.640 --> 1:23:46.439 forty five yard field goal, you're kind of holding on 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:48.040 to the edge of your seat. When Chad Rowlan kicks 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:50.519 a forty five yard field goal is halfway up the upright. Yeah, 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.080 And look, Nick Folk has been a really good patriot. 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:58.800 He has been saved, he absolutely did, but he's been 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:01.559 He had a year the second half of last year. 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:05.840 He's thirty eight years old, and we know they have 1:24:05.920 --> 1:24:07.840 the thing like get out a year two early versus 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:10.759 a year too late on a player. That's especially true Kicker. 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:13.040 I don't think people realize how rare it is that 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:15.640 they found Nick Folk the way they did. People conveniently 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:17.599 forget that Mike Nugent came in here and was kind 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:20.120 of a mess nuge before they went to Nick Folk. 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:21.479 I think that nickname was part of why he was 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:24.920 so bad. But I just I are you willing to 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:26.840 take the risk that the last half of last season 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:29.080 was anaboration for Folk? And I mean he used a 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.200 fourth round pick on the guy. I know some people 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:33.679 have said maybe they keep two kickers. I think they'd 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:36.680 like to in theory, But if you've seen what's going 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:40.360 on in Dallas, Nick Folk would like I found the 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:41.400 Cowboys trade value? 1:24:41.560 --> 1:24:43.200 Yeah, does Nick Fole have some trade value? 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:45.080 I think he would. I don't know that you're getting 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:47.160 anything significant, but you get a six round pick for 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:48.920 Nick Folk. I don't think that's unrealistic. 1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:53.439 And so the question is, and I I steer towards 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:55.880 the side of rather keeping him on the practice squad 1:24:55.920 --> 1:24:58.080 than trade him for a sixth round pick. Yeah, but 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:00.559 if you don't think that he's gonna you have a 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:02.600 conversation with him. Nick, We're gonna go with Ryland, but 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:04.680 we'd love to keep you on the practice squad. Just 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.639 he's a rookie. We don't know if it's gonna how 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:09.760 it's gonna look in the regular season. Yet, YadA, YadA, YadA. 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:12.360 Are are you gonna just come back to the practice 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:14.800 squad or are you gonna try to shop your your 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.920 services elsewhere? You look at your options, and he says, 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:20.120 I'm gonna look at my options, then you trade. It's 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:20.719 pretty simple. 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:23.240 Sure, well, and that's fair. I just think if you 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:25.400 do expose him to the practiceqpot, I don't think so, 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:29.200 Nick Folk. His family still lives in Dallas, and he 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:31.640 it's not like every day, but he goes back and 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:34.720 forth between here and Dallas during the season. And if 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:37.439 you can tell him he can go live at home 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:42.559 for the whole season, make more money kick indoors, Like, 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:43.840 why is he not gonna take that? 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:44.400 Yeah? 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:47.240 So, and Dallas desperately needs a kicker, maybe, And you know, 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:49.280 I don't know what the kicking situation is in Houston 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:52.160 or New Orleans, but these other places that are nearby 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:53.840 that it's a much more like I don't think you 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:56.800 have to worry about losing him to say Seattle, right right, 1:25:57.120 --> 1:26:00.240 that's an even worse commute, La. Maybe because he's from there, 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:02.000 like he grew up there, and maybe he'd want to 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:03.280 go back. But you don't have to worry about losing 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:06.280 them to Miami. But there are teams that I think 1:26:06.280 --> 1:26:08.880 he would go to that need a kicker. That being said, 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:11.439 it would be a real miss if they burn a 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:15.680 fourth round pick. If with how good Ryland looks, I 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:17.479 think that would be a real disappointment if they burn 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:20.599 a fourth round pick and keep Nick Folk, especially if 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:24.040 it's proven that the end of last year wasn't an aberration. Yeah, 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:26.240 and he's he's kind of lost a step. 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:29.439 My untrained eye on kicker is the one thing that 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:32.000 I have noticed is what you pointed out about Folk's 1:26:32.080 --> 1:26:35.280 leg and Ryland's. It's it's night and day who has 1:26:35.320 --> 1:26:37.960 the bigger leg. Yeah, and with Folk, you're right, I 1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.280 mean anything over forty five year holding your breath like 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:43.920 and the ball just dies off his foot around the 1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:46.560 goal line, right. You just see the trajectory of the 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:50.000 kick just kind of waning down. I would also say 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:54.000 with with Rylan, he does have decent enough control on 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:56.439 the ball. I may I make the jokes all the 1:26:56.439 --> 1:26:59.719 time about Justin Rorosser, like Justin Ross in training camp, 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:03.920 could not he if the gold posts were double the size, 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:07.240 he still would have been missing. Right, So it was 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:12.120 that bad Chad Ryland's misses our NFL misses. 1:27:12.240 --> 1:27:12.400 Right. 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:15.160 You're seeing him miss by like a couple of fractions 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.439 of a of a foot, right, Like you're not seeing 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:20.280 him miss by one hundred feet like with Justin Rows. 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:24.360 And I'm exaggerating, but you know that that's. 1:27:23.520 --> 1:27:25.439 Was missing like the kicking. Yet he wasn't just missing 1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:28.240 the gold post. So yeah, I again, I think it's 1:27:28.320 --> 1:27:32.120 Ryland there and then a punter Bearinger has been outstanding 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:34.160 and I think the big thing and this is what 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:36.600 they love and Pop Douglas talked about it yesterday like 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:38.479 it's it's hard to read the ball off his foot 1:27:38.479 --> 1:27:40.519 and he's had so many putts muffed. 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:42.479 There we go, That's that's what I was looking for. 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:44.800 It's hard to read the ball off his foot. This 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:45.680 is real punter day. 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:47.559 Have you not seen how many punts he's had muffed? 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:50.800 So far in his camp, I've seen I've seen people say, oh, 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:52.840 it's the pay times, tune out during special teams. 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:55.360 You shouldn't you cover the team. That's your jaw, you 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:57.960 cover it for me. Some that's and I have used 1:27:58.000 --> 1:27:59.960 your lineman numbers at times because I can't watch all 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.439 the one on ones at once, but you can't. It's 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:05.400 not people say, oh, so the Patriots punt return is 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:07.280 just suck. No, because they're not muffing Weightman's punts. 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:09.400 Yeah, it's it's Marcus Jones doesn't suck. 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:11.600 Yeah, Marcus Jones is not a bad punt returner. We 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.760 know that. So now Weightman, I think easy got to 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.519 keep on the practice squad and Pop Douglas kind of 1:28:17.520 --> 1:28:20.160 talked about this yesterday. There's value in having a lefty punter, 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:23.120 so because it's different fielding punter, fielding punts from a 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:25.400 lefty punter versus a righty punter. He talked about that 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:27.600 last year when they brought Michael Pallardi in. So you 1:28:27.680 --> 1:28:29.599 keep Weightman on the practice squad, you have him around 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:31.320 as your lefty option, you have him around as an 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:33.960 emergency option for Baringer. That one's a lot easier. I 1:28:34.000 --> 1:28:35.880 don't know that there's gonna be a rush to sign 1:28:35.920 --> 1:28:38.160 Corless Weightman. Maybe into the season, you lose them if 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.200 somebody gets hurt, but you should be able to get 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:41.080 him on the practice squad. 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:43.919 So the question that I have is then, with Weightman, 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:47.040 I wonder if we don't see Weightman in the preseason games, 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.679 because might as well give Baringer the reps anymore. 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:50.880 I don't think we're going to see either of the 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:54.240 veterans a lot. It wouldn't make sense to play either 1:28:54.240 --> 1:28:56.240 of them. You know essentially what Nick Folk is at 1:28:56.240 --> 1:28:58.120 this point, and we want to get into the practicead. 1:28:58.160 --> 1:29:00.840 You don't want Dallas seeing him knocking through three for three, 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:02.680 four for four. I would guess it's gonna heavily be 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:06.959 the rookies in all three preseason games. 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:09.280 So the one thing that I really like about it 1:29:09.360 --> 1:29:12.320 with the rookies, and this is one thing you're gonna 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:15.519 you're gonna be surprised that I care about this. I 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:17.840 like that they're attached at the hip. Those two go 1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:21.800 everywhere Togain, it's real, it's and and we gotta get 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:25.720 Joe Cardona in that with them, But yeah, leave Joe, but. 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:28.880 That you'll get there. He can't play favorites right now. 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:32.040 That battery, right, that's gonna be the holder. You know, 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:35.280 Berenger is gonna be Ryland's holder, and which he wasn't 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:37.639 that Going back to the Senior Bowl, when you remember 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:42.000 every year, I mean you obviously remember as well that 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:45.400 those three guys, Cardona, the punter, and the kicker are 1:29:45.479 --> 1:29:48.840 like the three Amigos all season LOP. They're inseparable. And 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.120 I don't want to give away anything too much, but 1:29:52.200 --> 1:29:54.559 there might have been a little bit of a of 1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:57.720 a of a some friction with the with the three 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:02.200 amigos at times last year, and I think it showed. 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:06.400 It did show for Jake Bailey in particular. And I 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:09.040 think the big thing with those three guys is, you know, 1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:11.000 they go in the stadium and they kick in the 1:30:11.000 --> 1:30:13.120 stadium sometimes and the rest of the team is out 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:16.080 on the practice fields. We do our attendance and we're like, well, 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:18.720 the kickers aren't here, but they're probably here. They're just 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:22.120 you know, in the stadium or whatever. That's a really 1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:24.559 important dynamic and I think there's something to be said 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:27.920 for Ryland and Baringer going through this together like two 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:32.280 rookie guys that are first time in the NFL, rookie players, 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:34.080 young guys that are gonna have to learn to be 1:30:34.160 --> 1:30:36.599 pros and learn to how to go through it and 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:40.240 along those lines. As much as I think that Nick 1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:44.280 Folk might have opportunities elsewhere, is he like the Brian 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:47.800 Hoyer to to those like someone's there might be a 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:50.360 little bit of that somebody put in the chat when 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:51.920 I said, you don't want Dallas to see him hitting 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:53.280 him if you want him on the practice squad, if 1:30:53.320 --> 1:30:56.320 you want to trade him, you do want, Okay, but 1:30:56.360 --> 1:30:58.960 you do I do wonder how they Maybe it's just 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:02.280 you know they're able to Cardona, Matthew Slater, like those 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:05.519 guys are obviously veterans special teamers as well that are 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:07.760 gonna be around a lot. But you do wonder if 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:11.599 you want somebody that's there to kind of that's been 1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:12.920 through it, that's done. 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:15.719 I think you hope that that's Cardona at this point, 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:18.599 and Matthew Slater too to an extent, And you can 1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:21.400 even maybe say Corlus weightman if he's on the practice squad, but. 1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:22.680 The special teams think still worries me. 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.240 But I mean, we'll see what the coverage looks like 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:27.760 I'll tell you, I think Jordan Helig's gonna be the UDFA, 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:29.439 like the guy that makes the team. He's looked good 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:33.600 in coverage, so and you know they they've overhauled that 1:31:33.680 --> 1:31:35.439 unit and we've seen a mere speed and Asaia Bolden 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:38.080 rep there too, So like they have Chris Board, they 1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:38.720 have options there. 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:40.839 Yeah, it's gonna I don't. I don't think the personnel 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:43.600 is gonna be the problem. I'm still worried about the coaching. 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:45.800 The coach, and that's fair, that's I just because well 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:47.639 a I think it's just a weird dynamic. 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:50.519 Like Joe Judge is the assistant head coach of the team. Yeah, 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:53.240 but he's clearly the special teams coordinator at most of 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:55.960 these practices, Like he's the one that's barking out the 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:59.080 orders and leading the way on special teams. I don't 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:00.840 know what's up with camp Cord, Like I. 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:03.960 Can Accord honestly say what you will about being worried 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:06.400 about the coaching overall, and honestly when you say the coaching, 1:32:06.479 --> 1:32:08.360 where I agree with you on that is like the 1:32:08.360 --> 1:32:11.320 the game planning of it, the scheming up. I've said 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:13.559 this about cam Acord before, Like, yeah, he was in 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.559 over his head as a coordinator, coordinating the special teams, 1:32:16.560 --> 1:32:20.719 coming up with game plans. Read right. I still believe 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:24.640 cam Accord is an amazing teacher and coaching is like 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:26.479 there's a massive element of that that's just. 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:28.240 And this is why let me teach. You want to 1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:31.280 be class half full? Yeah, this is why this dynamic 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:31.920 should work out. 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:33.400 So that's what I'm saying. Like, the one thing I 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:35.800 am encouraged by is I think cam Accord is just 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:39.920 back to teaching, which is excellent. How's Joe Judge going 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:41.920 to be a special teams coordinator? Will see he's been 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:44.400 He was good, but it's been a while. Yeah, but 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:46.719 it is it is an objectively weird setup. 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.479 I think that that's it's similar to the setup that 1:32:50.520 --> 1:32:55.040 they have on defense. Honestly, where the teacher, the presenter, 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:57.320 the guy that can relate the best of the players 1:32:57.400 --> 1:33:01.280 is obviously Gerd Mayo, but the play caller Steve and 1:33:02.120 --> 1:33:03.800 on special teams. If that's how you want to sell 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:05.439 me that camra Cord is going to be the guy 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:08.200 that's in the trenches with these guys. It's teaching the techniques, 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:10.240 that's doing all that stuff. And then Joe Judge is 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:14.680 coming over the top with game plans and sidelines, you know, 1:33:14.720 --> 1:33:17.960 handling the sideline and play calling and all those types 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:20.400 of things. And I suppose that I can be sold. 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:22.400 I think that's like, that's what it should be. I 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:24.000 guess we'll see, we'll get a good idea of Thursday 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:25.519 night what it looks like. But that's what it should be, 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:26.480 all right. 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:29.160 You have three minutes on the Rookie Night. 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:31.360 Well, so this guy keeps commenting on YouTube saying he'll 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:33.120 leave a zero star review if we don't talk about it. 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:35.000 So now you have to leave a five star review. 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:37.000 Rookie numbers, and that guy better leave us a five. 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.840 Better leave a five star review. So ninety nine is open. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.680 That's a big one, okay. Bryce Bearinger wore ninety nine 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:44.840 in college? Would punters can wear ninety nine now? So 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:46.880 kickers and punters can wear one to forty nine and 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:50.320 ninety to ninety nine. Yeah, so Bearinger in ninety would 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:52.559 be cool. Does Chad Ryland get ninety four? I think 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:55.320 he were forty nine at Maryland and that's obviously taken. 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:58.720 So that's an interesting one, okay. So he's not going 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:00.640 to be like a kicker number. Eat, well, that is 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.320 a kicker number, now, Okay, most of the Like, I 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:06.360 don't think they have anything open one through nineteen except 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:13.000 obviously twelve. Nineteen's open. Yeah, that's it. Nineteen's open, that's it. 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:14.880 So maybe one of them gets nineteen, but I feel 1:34:14.880 --> 1:34:17.960 like that could go. So they changed it now, so 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:25.120 it's like one to forty nine for receivers, running backs, corners, safeties, 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:26.760 blah blah blah. And the receivers are also in tight 1:34:26.840 --> 1:34:28.880 ends eighty to eighty nine. So like, I think you're 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:32.280 gonna see, if not a receiver, maybe somebody in the secondary. 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:34.320 I see Maphu in the teens. 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:34.639 Weird. 1:34:34.680 --> 1:34:36.360 I'd like to see him stick with fifty two because 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:37.439 that would be a good number for him, But I 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:39.840 see him in the teens. I really want to Mario 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:42.360 Douglas to get eighty. I really do. I want Troy 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:44.479 You talked about you were in your old shielder like 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.240 Troy Brown basically teaching to Mario Douglas how to beat 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:49.920 Troy Brown. Yeah, what better way to pass the baton 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:52.479 than say here's my number. And if he's out there 1:34:52.760 --> 1:34:54.680 running the option routes in the slot and he's out 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:58.400 there returning kicks. It's just gonna look right, isn't it. 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.720 I mean, am I wrong? Would just look right? And 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.360 then I know seventeen's taken, But you have to say 1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:07.400 it when you have this conversation. Keep to Mario Douglas 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:11.679 and Kashawn Booty the hell away from number seventeen. Booty 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:14.240 wore seven in college, so he could actually take that 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:17.840 like Scotty Washington has it now. But maybe things change. 1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:20.840 I don't know what Booty's because eighty seven so call 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:23.800 is eighty seven, so he's not gonna wear that. I 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:25.559 think he might have worn one at one point, but 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:28.360 that's obviously taken by another wide receiver. I would caution 1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:31.160 people this, you're gonna run out tomorrow and get the 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:34.479 jersey when you see the rookie number. Sometimes guys change 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:36.559 again before the start of seas because the're pretty much 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:39.439 every number is taken, and after cutdown numbers will open up. 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:42.960 Like Christian Barmore was seventy his rookie preseason. That was 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:46.040 gross and we were all very happy Adam switched to ninety's. 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:46.880 Adam Butler se. 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:49.720 It worked a little for Barmore needed to be in 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:53.519 the nineties. Okay, Jack Jones went from thirty four to thirteen. 1:35:53.560 --> 1:35:55.400 Some people would say that's a downgrade. I think he 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:58.320 makes thirteen work upgrade. Well, it was a little weird 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.000 at the time. Thirty four is a running back now 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:02.280 it was a shout out to Bucky Jones. 1:36:02.320 --> 1:36:02.519 Shait. 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:05.519 It was a little weird seeing thirteen as a corner 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:06.240 right away, was it? 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:06.400 Not? 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:09.360 Yeah, I like it. I think he rocks it. 1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:12.160 But I do now, but initially it was weird. Anyway, 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:16.519 don't get nervous if guys get because there's so few 1:36:16.600 --> 1:36:20.120 numbers available, guys are gonna get weird numbers. It's gonna happen. Yeah, 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:24.479 So don't worry about the aesthetic right away. Booty and 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:27.120 eighty three would work because there's a little little de 1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:30.919 Unbranches game a little bit. I just want Tomorrow Douglas 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:33.280 if I could get one number, even more than Christian 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:35.760 Goan Zalees and zero because he's not getting twenty four. 1:36:35.760 --> 1:36:37.599 If I get one number, it's Gonzales and twenty four, 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:41.000 but Joshua bloodsoes here. If I get one pick, it's 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:42.400 Tomrio Douglas number eighty. 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:46.120 All right, Well, there's your rookie number minute, I'm gonna 1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:48.680 I'm gonna plead the fifth on the rookie numbers for now, 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:52.880 but I will I will echo what Alex said about 1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:55.360 don't go run out and buy the jersey based off 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.599 the preseason number. Some of these guys I think are 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.920 going to change numbers once the regular season rolls around, 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.880 So don't lose your minds over the numbers that they 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:05.960 should come out. 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:07.439 They usually come out. 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:09.200 Like news, yeah before kicking. 1:37:10.080 --> 1:37:12.040 By the day of the game, Yeah, I'm sure it's. 1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:14.320 It's already all ready to go and pre planned upstairs. 1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:17.200 So Kaishaw and Boody wore fifteen in high school. So 1:37:17.240 --> 1:37:20.000 corlss waitmans here now. But if he doesn't make the team. 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:23.200 Right, those are some numbers. Those things will move around. 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:26.000 But we'll find out that by tomorrow. 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:30.000 At this monf forty I think forty three is open. 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:33.639 Kaisha on Booty Yeah no, I could see tomorrow. Douglas 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:34.240 weren't thirty. 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:34.720 I could. 1:37:34.840 --> 1:37:36.519 It's weird, but because he was three in college, it 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:37.439 was weird, but I could see it. 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:39.840 Okay, I'm not I'm not. 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:42.240 I'm not saying for preseason I would hope it changes again, 1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:43.479 but I could see him wearing thirty. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:46.320 All right, that's gonna do it for us. I really 1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:48.640 appreciate all the calls and the emails. We had a 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:51.639 very call heavy show today, which we really appreciate. And 1:37:51.840 --> 1:37:54.200 Alex and I will be back next week. I think 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:57.080 we're gonna do Thursday. Next week. I'm gonna be in 1:37:57.120 --> 1:38:00.240 Green Bay. Alex is gonna be here in studio to 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:02.360 host the show, So we're gonna be a little role reversal. 1:38:02.400 --> 1:38:04.000 But it'd be cool because I'll be out there the 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:06.040 Joint practices and can tell you all what's been going 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:07.960 down in Green Bay. And then we'll do the same 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:10.120 thing in Nashville the following week as well, because I'm 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:12.559 gonna be at Bowl Yay, so we'll be out there 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:15.640 at Joint practices. 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