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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it has

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Speaker 1: always bara. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar Evan

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Speaker 1: texts me and because in so many words, he's worried.

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Speaker 1: He is worried about the offense, worried literally since the

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Speaker 1: snap after that text.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it's all because me.

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Speaker 1: They have been locked ever since you sent that text.

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Speaker 1: You fixed the offense.

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Speaker 2: With that text. You're giving me credit.

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Speaker 1: We might have to get well just you did it,

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Speaker 1: but then it was me. But then the next day

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Speaker 1: they got off to a little bit of a slow start.

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Speaker 1: You texted me again. And then mac Jones said his

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Speaker 1: best practice he's had since the Giants practice is rookie year.

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Speaker 1: So just keep sending the text. Okay, that's what it

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Speaker 1: comes down to. This whole season comes down to, Well,

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Speaker 1: Evan keep sending those tests.

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Speaker 2: I guess that was why the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: haven't been as good, because I didn't send you the text.

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Speaker 2: The offense was not doing well. Sure well I will.

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Speaker 2: I will say that. You know I say that, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want people, Oh my god, the offense is

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Speaker 2: due fine on a panic button here everybody. But I

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Speaker 2: do have a take about the offense that I think

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Speaker 2: is my big take, you know, my opening monologue take

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Speaker 2: at the show. We'll get to that here in a second,

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Speaker 2: but it's Alex barth Evan Lazar with you. Patriots catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two, next hour and thirty or so hour hour thirty.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how long we go. Buddy can jump on

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Speaker 2: the phone lines. Already, people jumping on the phone lines. Alex,

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Speaker 2: eight five five.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with this being a call heavy show.

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Speaker 2: Eight five to five, PATS five hundred web radio at

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Speaker 2: Patriots dot com is the email address if you want

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Speaker 2: to jump in on the emails. We'll read some of

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Speaker 2: those as well. But here here's my opening take of

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Speaker 2: where things stand currently at this hour, twelve practices into

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Speaker 2: the Patriots training camp, and believe it or not, just

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Speaker 2: over twenty four hours away from the first preseason game.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking, as I was walking down here

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Speaker 2: to our radio studio that you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: going on in the tunnels right now and things around

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Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium live here getting ready for tomorrow. And it

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Speaker 2: dawned on me playing football tomorrow like this is we

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Speaker 2: we just really cruised right through the first twelve practices,

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Speaker 2: basically two weeks of practice here at Gillette and along

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Speaker 2: with my other big take away from the last week

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Speaker 2: or so it was, you know, been about a week

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Speaker 2: since we've been on the air on this program. This

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Speaker 2: is where the men separate themselves from the boys. All right,

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Speaker 2: So at this point, and Alex you can speak to

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Speaker 2: this as well, this has all been set in the table.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, and some of my takes my today

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna go you know, I wrote something on

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Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com seven takeaways from the last three days

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Speaker 2: of practice. That's some of the things I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go off of here to just kind of pilot this

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Speaker 2: this guy has superstar stud potential. Yeah, this is all

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Speaker 2: which is what's gonna happen over the next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So that's number one point number two, twelve practices into

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Speaker 2: training camp. I know your station, Alex loves to talk

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Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks. We like talking about the quarterbacks too.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about the quarterbacks, and that's certainly a major storyline,

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Speaker 1: We both know exactly what that looks like.

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Speaker 2: It's better than me coming in and saying those guys

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Speaker 1: In some cases, I think it's the C squad that's

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been consistent because they can't block anybody. I

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Speaker 2: I think we need to talk about some of the

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Speaker 2: I'm not that concerned because that way there, if there's

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Speaker 2: And I understand people that also aren't one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Last year big time peaks and valleys for Trent. He

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Speaker 2: They need Trent to be more steady. Whether it doesn't

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Speaker 2: So where they go with this offensive line is a

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Speaker 2: receiver talent. And you know me, I with DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 2: about the offensive line. I know the quarterbacks are sexy

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Speaker 2: I think we can go over like I mentioned a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's been my take since May really has been.

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Speaker 1: If anything undoes this offense, I hope people want to

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Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. It's not gonna be the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the coaching staff. It's not even

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Speaker 1: gonna be the receivers. The receivers are they're fine, they're fine.

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Speaker 1: If anything undos this offense, it's gonna be the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: in specifically the tackle position. To your point, they'll get

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Speaker 1: healthy in the middle, and honestly, even if they don't

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Speaker 1: Mafi has shown me something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, come on a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Jason Hines has come on a little bit, so like

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Speaker 2: But he's a project rough camp for city. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: so urban city as we call it.

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Speaker 1: PU Okay, it's it's been uh, it's it's really kind

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Speaker 1: And I know you said, well, yeah, I know you said,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about combinations. Yeah, I still think the conversation

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Speaker 1: needs to be there about Mike go and WINU. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: going back out to right tackle, because let's get.

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Speaker 2: To that in a second.

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Speaker 1: I would just say, as much as I was convinced

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Speaker 1: feel even stronger now that's that's the best option.

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Speaker 2: So I definitely am with you at this point on that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I was ever against you, but

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Speaker 2: I'm strongly with you now. But I first want to

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Speaker 2: talk about the guys that they are playing at tackle.

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Speaker 2: I think Riley Reef has been better in pads than

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Speaker 2: he was in the spring in the first couple of

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Speaker 2: I still maintain with him. He's he's solid in a

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Speaker 1: As it should, as we've expected with Zappi, the big

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Speaker 1: Although as somebody points it out on I forget where

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Speaker 2: I got to be honest, quarterbacks, I gotta be honest

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Speaker 2: So don't please don't, like, you know, syndicate this or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's crazy about the quarterback position in general.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's that. I think he understands,

433
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: like you know, like we we listen to him gush

434
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: about like Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson, and you know,

435
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: as much as everybody kind of think thinks that it's

436
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: still not real for some reason, Brady right like, you know,

437
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: you hear him talk about those types of guys. That's

438
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Speaker 2: why I don't think that this has anything to do

439
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: with personality or anything like that, any of the drama

440
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: that people try to make it about, because I don't

441
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Speaker 2: I think he kind of looks at both of them

442
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: the same in terms of their their makeup or or

443
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 2: they're who they are, you know, as as athletes. And

444
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think that he's like crazy

445
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: about either one, to be honest, But I think that

446
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: at the same time, I think that there is a

447
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 2: push organizationally that you use this first round pick on

448
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: Mac Jones. You did him no favors last year. He

449
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: was on the right trajectory after his first season week

450
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: in debate whether or not how good he really was

451
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: as a rookie, but he was certainly good enough as

452
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Speaker 2: a rookie.

453
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Speaker 1: They made the playoffs, and.

454
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Speaker 2: You have more invested in mac Jones, you just simply do.

455
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, if it's not

456
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: going to be, if Sappy's not going to go out

457
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: there and light up practice and significantly outplay mac Jones,

458
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: where you have no choice but to make a change.

459
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be really difficult organizationally to walk away

460
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Speaker 2: from a fifteenth overall pick heading into year three and

461
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Speaker 2: say we're gonna go with this kid from Western Kentucky.

462
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Speaker 1: And by the way, that's the right approach. It's way

463
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: too early based off what he showed you in twenty

464
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: twe and we've talked about this to cut bait on

465
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Speaker 1: him and give up when he essentially has had one

466
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Speaker 1: real year. Last year was not a real year.

467
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Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of way too early, I'm gonna just throw

468
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: some water on on on something that I know that

469
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: some people are gonna get annoyed with this, and maybe

470
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Speaker 2: even you that I'm gonna do that.

471
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Speaker 1: Guy, if you're going where I think you're going.

472
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: We got a chill with the rookie receivers.

473
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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought I was close. I was close.

474
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: We got a chill. We got a chill, just hear

475
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Speaker 2: me out.

476
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we got chill tomorrow.

477
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Speaker 2: I mentioned off the top that this is where we

478
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: separate the men from the boys. In my opinion, Da

479
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Speaker 2: Mario Douglas especially, but also a little bit Kaishawn Booty

480
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: as well. Both those guys have set the table to

481
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: give themselves opportunities to really make a push, not only

482
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Speaker 2: to make the roster, but maybe in Douglas's case, I think,

483
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: have a role on this team this year. But in

484
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Speaker 2: terms of talking about either one of those guys as

485
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Speaker 2: real whatever you wanted to call it, starter, impact player,

486
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: top three receiver, whatever phrase terminology you want to use.

487
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Speaker 2: I've seen this movie before, I've learned from past mistakes

488
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: on these types of things. Until the games and the

489
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: joint practices start, all of this is just appetizers, and

490
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: you have to you have to take it with a

491
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: grain of soul in that respect. And the main thing

492
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: is and just with Douglas, because I think Booty's still

493
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 2: he's he's popped a little bit. Nope, you know, jumps aside,

494
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: he's popped. But it hasn't been quite as consistent as

495
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Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas. With Douglas in particular, he has twenty

496
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Speaker 2: three catches through twelve training camp practices. Nineteen of them

497
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: have been from Bailey's abbey, So he's not We used

498
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: to do this with Brady right, And the big one

499
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: I always remember was Austin Carr, And I think Tomorrow

500
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: Douglas is a better player than Austin Cars. But Austin

501
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: Carr caught like all of his passes in that camp

502
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: that everybody was raving about how good Austin Carr was

503
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: from the backup quarterbacks. He never caught a pass from Brain.

504
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Speaker 1: But we've seen to Mario Douglas. To Mario Douglas has

505
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: tortured ma because Jones in this camp hees he is.

506
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: And that's it. We all think Marcus Jones a good

507
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: corner and I'm not changing my opinion on that. I

508
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: believe he's a good cornerback. We've seen Marcus Jones be sorry.

509
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: We've seen Tomorrow Douglas be Jack Jones. Yeah, I've seen

510
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: that a couple of times. I if you want to say,

511
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: temper the expectations, like I see people say, oh, what

512
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: are his Rookie of the year odds? Yeah, you can

513
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: calm down. I see that.

514
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: I also see like starter, Like you want to call

515
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: that a top three weeks.

516
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Speaker 1: Here's what I'd say he has. We're two weeks into this,

517
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: We're two weeks into this five week process, right, Yes,

518
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: he has checked every box to this point. That is

519
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Speaker 1: the way I look at it. He has not done

520
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: anything to this point to lead me to believe this

521
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: is fake. Now, if he comes out tomorrow night and

522
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: just isn't a guy like just has a bad game,

523
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: all right, maybe we need to slow down and revisit them.

524
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying it's fake. I'm just saying that

525
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm still in the camp that we're talking about him

526
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: making the team.

527
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Speaker 1: Oh, I think he's making the team.

528
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're talking about him having a big

529
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: contribution yet. So there's Troy Brown said, too small of

530
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Speaker 2: a sample side.

531
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Speaker 1: But but what I will say is there's this second

532
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Speaker 1: part to that that we can get into because it's

533
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: not part of his rise up. The proposed depth chart

534
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: isn't just him, right, although we've seen him, you know,

535
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: in practice the last couple of days kind of take

536
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: on more of a role. But I think when you

537
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Speaker 1: have a guy that again he's checked every box. It

538
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: was you know, first was all right, Well, like, let's

539
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: just see how he looks as a player. All right,

540
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: really good route runner, he's explosive, cool, but he's small.

541
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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens when the pads come on and

542
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: he's out there throwing his body around and he's setting

543
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Speaker 1: blocks and he's you know, breaking off routes at the

544
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Speaker 1: top through coverage. All right, he's checked that box. You know,

545
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the preseason game, you're gonna have joint practices.

546
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: Those are gonna be more boxes. But he keeps checking

547
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: those boxes. And he hasn't done anything yet. Correct me

548
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: if we're wrong. Has he done anything yet that you

549
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: can point at that and say that's why he won't

550
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: be an NFL player?

551
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: No? But because But what I will tell you is

552
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: is that you all can take your one on ones

553
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: and seven on sevens and throw them out the door.

554
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: I do not care that to Mario Douglas is undefeated

555
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: in one on ones. It's irrelevant, It doesn't it's not

556
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: real football. But but you see what kind of runner.

557
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: You see the movement? Absolutely, But what's going to happen

558
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: when that corner is playing underneath him, and then the

559
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: safety is playing at the at the intermediate level a

560
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: robber defender, and then the next defender is at the post.

561
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: He's getting his Is he going to be able to

562
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: run through three guys? If he's getting that kind of attention,

563
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: that's excellent.

564
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: But it's not about just the like that's just the structure, right,

565
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: Like that's just NFL football, so and one on ones

566
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: is just not.

567
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: But we don't know. I'm not going to blame the

568
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: guy for something that hasn't happened.

569
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not either. I'm not blaming him.

570
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a chance to check that. But I'm

571
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: just saying I think the hype is valid because he

572
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: checked every box at this point. I think there needs

573
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: to be an understanding within that hype that there's a

574
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: long way to go. Yeah, but I totally think the

575
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: hype is valid. Kaishun Booty is a little bit of

576
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: a different situation. He's more high floor high ceiling, lol

577
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: floor just because he's not a six.

578
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Kashan Booty has done exactly what I expected, was have

579
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: these like isolated flashes where you're like, oh, there is

580
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: freshman year Kai Shan Boudie again, but it's it's not

581
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: consistent like Douglas. Douglas has consistently been open when he's

582
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: been out there. Whether it's against the twos or whatever,

583
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. And you also see the quick twitch.

584
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: You see the route running, you see the change of direction.

585
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: You see that. I mean the route that he ran,

586
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: and I just crapped all over one on ones, but

587
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: like the route that he ran against Miles Bryant yesterday,

588
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: and one on ones was absolutely discussed.

589
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: But that's my point that you look at that. I'm

590
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: not saying that I'm looking at the one on ones

591
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: and saying he won all his one on ones. He's

592
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: an NFL player, Yeah, But what you do look at

593
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: is you look at and you say that is an

594
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: NFL route. Yeah, that is a route that can beat

595
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: an NFL cornerback. And when's the last time that a

596
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: younger you were saying that about on a regular bas.

597
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: And of course I just went on this whole thing

598
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: about one on ones irrelevant and I'm going to credit

599
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: him for a one on one, but you were the

600
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: best part of that route was the little peekaboo that

601
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, because the he we knew he can

602
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: move the like his feet. He's fast, he's got bursts,

603
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: he's got quickness. But that little detail at the top

604
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: of the route to headfake like he's gonna go out

605
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: and then break it off back to the inside. That

606
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: that's what sold the route. That's what made the route.

607
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it shows up on his tape at Liberty.

608
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: He's a very nuanced detailed I remember one thing I

609
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: watching again, this is like super nuanced. I don't know

610
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: if you saw his shoulders. Yeah, when he runs the route,

611
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: he sells things his shoulders like he can sell things

612
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: with his shoulders incredibly. Well, that was the one thing

613
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: that stood out to me. So no, I look, I

614
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: still think that he can I think he can play.

615
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I think he's an NFL player. I mean I'm comfortable

616
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, to what extent of an NFL player?

617
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Is he top of the depth chart? Guys? He rotational guy.

618
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: That's only just that's my only point.

619
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: It's look, it's too soon to know that I'm not

620
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: saying he is. There isn't. I'm saying it's too soon

621
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: to know. But I'm not going to hold it against

622
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: him that it's too soon to know I'm not holding

623
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: it again, you're holding it against him a little bit.

624
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not holding it holding it against the fans.

625
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm holding against the hype, and I'm not I'm not

626
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: trying to like I'm not trying to attack anybody for

627
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: for hyping him up. I'm trying to just I'm trying

628
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: to be a realist with people like you come, you

629
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: come and listen to our show, and we're not gonna

630
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: tell you like about Malie Cunningham, like I know you

631
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: probably will, but like in a you know what I mean, Like,

632
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: we're not gonna sit here and say like this this

633
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: guy or that guy. We're trying to tell you what's

634
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: real and what's not, what's actually going to translate, what's

635
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: actually going to make an impact. And I'm convinced at

636
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: this point of camp that de Mario Douglas should be

637
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: on this football everything that, But I'm not convinced of

638
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: anything else.

639
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: But I've seen a bunch of things that I know

640
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: will translate. Everything he's done looks like it's going to translate.

641
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: It's just to what extent. But given their history wide receiver,

642
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: just as a six round pick in general, I think

643
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: getting that far is worth getting a little excited about

644
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit it you hate fun,

645
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: you you're a little excited. There we go. I'll take

646
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: that you're a little excited. Well, I think the other

647
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Speaker 1: the other reason I started with this started for us

648
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Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. And I'm not trying to toot

649
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: our own horror. People were tweeting about at me about

650
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: this yesterday.

651
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: But he saw it.

652
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: We knew, but we My point is that now, no,

653
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: come on video, you're gonna make you look try to

654
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: get a fist bump us. Do you remember.

655
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: So there's my point about bringing up the Shrine bol

656
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: is not to not to pat ourselves in the back.

657
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: My point about bringing up the Shrine Bowl is is

658
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: you talk about checking boxes. He was open all day

659
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl against granted draftable guys, not necessarily

660
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: guys that are going to make NFL rosters across the board,

661
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: but certainly guys that are going to be that were drafted,

662
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: that are are competing for fifty three man roster spots

663
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: across the league. So that that was the first box.

664
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: And he goes to the combine and he runs like

665
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: a four to four box, checked right and now he

666
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: comes here to the Patriots and and has been great

667
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: every step of the way that he possibly can be.

668
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: He's going to make the Patriots roster. Yeah, I think

669
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: we can say that now. I just I'm trying to

670
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: temper expectations of the impact he's gonna have on Sundays.

671
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced that he's going to be what

672
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: everybody is hoping and dreaming that he's going to be.

673
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: I and it's not against him, it's just the realness

674
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: of the of the way camp.

675
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: But you're also not saying he's not going to be that.

676
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: You're just saying it's too early to tell. Because people

677
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: are going to hear that. People are going to hear that.

678
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, somebody on YouTube said, you're the

679
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: greatest fensitter of all time. People are going to hear

680
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying and think that you're saying he's not good,

681
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's I'm with you, it's too soon to tell.

682
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you want to enjoy the ride,

683
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with enjoying your ride. Just don't you know,

684
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Thursday's a big Night's a big night for him.

685
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: My biggest thing is is. I just don't want people

686
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: to all the media hype him up, all camp like,

687
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: where's the Mario?

688
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: But here's part of different.

689
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: He goes in and has like it doesn't play all

690
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: un healthy scratch.

691
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: But here's part of the reason. He's different too than

692
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: some of the guys in the past. You've heard players

693
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: hype him up. Dietrich Wise, who's a defensive lineman, was

694
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: hyping him up. Marcus Jones was very compliment What are

695
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: they supposed to say, We've got a bunch of good receivers.

696
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: That's that's what they always say.

697
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: You get sucks? Like, what do you mean, like.

698
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I asked, so I was. We actually talked go ahead.

699
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: We talked to Douglas yesterday and he was talking about

700
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: how the Patriots coaching staff is taught him how to

701
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: read the ball as punt returner. So I I because

702
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious about Bryce Barringer. I said, you know what,

703
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: what is the like catching the ball off Brice's foot? Yeah,

704
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: and he started, he goes, oh, he's and then he

705
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: call himself. He goes, we have two really good punters.

706
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: That is what they've done for years. What is he

707
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: supposed to say? What is sped say when askepect from

708
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: our Douglas, Yeah, we got a lot of good receivers.

709
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: The rookies are working hard. That's what they've always said.

710
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: That's always been the line. You know this, Evan, It's

711
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: always been the line. There's a little bit more buzz

712
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: from the players than to Mario Douglas then there typically

713
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: is for rookies a little bit.

714
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I'm going to say to all

715
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: this buzz from the rookies when we go to Green

716
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: Bay next week. If JayR is telling me that Tomorrio

717
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: Douglas can play, I'll be.

718
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, but that happened.

719
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: If you're just if I mean JayR Alexander from the

720
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Packers is one of my favorite.

721
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna cover him because he's gonna

722
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: be he's not a slot corner.

723
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: Well he'll see him, all right, and that's enough for me.

724
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Like if JayR Alexander comes off the practice field and

725
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: somebody from the Patriots contingent, you know, media contingent out

726
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: there in Green Bay says, hey, Jayra, what what do

727
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: you think about sixty on the Patriots.

728
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna say they got a bunch of good and.

729
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: He says he says that that boy nice or that

730
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: guy shouldn't be sixty.

731
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm either it shouldn't be sixty at

732
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: that point. My hot take is I really need to

733
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas to wear eighty because I need Troy Brown

734
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: to pass the baton. But it hasn't happened yet. All

735
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying is enjoy the ride. But I will say

736
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: here's I've enjoyed the ride up to this point. It

737
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it. It's just getting a little crazy.

738
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like it.

739
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 2: It's I I just so.

740
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: So here's part of the reason I think with Douglas

741
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: in particular, it's getting a little out of hand. Yeah,

742
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: this is where we have to bring Taekwon Thornton in

743
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: because I think there was this believe coming into camp

744
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: that even if Taekwon wasn't great, there was going to

745
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit of leash. And there was gonna

746
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: be a little bit of leash. Who's gonna have a

747
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: little more room to develop for two reasons. One, he

748
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: was the fiftieth overall pick a year ago. It's too

749
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: early to quit on that. In Two, even if he

750
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: was the fourth receiver behind Parker, Smith, Schuster and Born.

751
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: He was gonna play because that's how they were gonna

752
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: get the speed on the field. And we weren't sure

753
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: there was any other way they were gonna get the

754
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: speed on the field. Well, now there might be another

755
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: way they can get the speed on the field. And

756
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that Douglas has to be amazing to,

757
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: you know, beat out Thornton. If Thornton can't make it

758
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: work with mac Jones and Douglas gives you that speed element,

759
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: all that there is like kind of pushing Thornton in

760
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the lineup is that fiftieth overall pick and that's gonna

761
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: dry up real quick, that that kind of cushion. So

762
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: that's why I think there's so much hype for Douglas.

763
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: It's not just that he's been good. It's that there

764
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: is a very direct line, like I can see, all right,

765
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: it's not to be good. This is how he's gonna

766
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: earn playing time. He's gonna play in a role like this.

767
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: But let's face it, let's face it, we all are

768
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm not taking myself out of this rookie wide receiver

769
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: Pops and Patriots training camp is an easy headline that

770
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: that gets.

771
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a long Yes, there's a long way to go.

772
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.

773
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Saying the hype is just getting a little crazy with Taekwon.

774
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let's have it. None of them work out, No, No,

775
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: because it's important. None of this is going to get

776
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: None of them work out until one of them does.

777
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: None of them work out until one of them does.

778
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's they need the speed on the field.

779
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: If Douglas is going to give them the speed, that

780
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: the sixth round pick is going to be the one

781
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: that ends up.

782
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Over the second round pick. Yes, but if they need

783
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: to get the speed up there is And this is

784
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: part of the reason too, when we're.

785
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: Draft the skills set in the second round, like this

786
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: is just not.

787
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: That okay, But we don't need to revisit that. It's

788
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: just not this is This is why there's more hype

789
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: around around Douglass than Booty. And this is why Douglas

790
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: is getting so much of the hype because Taekwon Thornton's

791
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: had a bad camp on top of his good camp,

792
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: and it is very easy to draw that line and

793
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: it's looked like it. We talked last whatever was last week,

794
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. About how if you want to say

795
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are competing, that's different than saying there's a

796
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: quarterback competition, because a quarterback competition is a very specific

797
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: set of circumstances where both players are rapping with the

798
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: same players against the same players, splitting the reps, et cetera.

799
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: That's what's happening right now with Taekwon Thornton and to

800
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas. It started like three or four days ago.

801
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: They're competing for that fourth wide receiver spot. That doesn't

802
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: mean Douglas has won it. That doesn't mean he's gonna

803
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: win Rookie of the Year. So don't tell me that

804
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: there's still a long way to go, because yes, I

805
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: know that.

806
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: But Jamar Chase Rookie of the Year.

807
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: But it feels like they're giving to Mario Douglas a

808
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: chance to prove he's better than Taekwon Thornton and earned

809
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: that fourth spot. Will he do it? I don't know.

810
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: That's why we still have two weeks to go, But

811
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: will you agree to that, Tomoro Douglas has gotten to

812
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: the point where he's kind of neck connect with Taekwon

813
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: Thornton right now and one of those guys is gonna

814
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: win that fourth receiver spot.

815
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think they're different, so I I in

816
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: my brain, I have a tough time talking about it.

817
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: They're different, but they're not incredibly different.

818
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: The Mario Douglas to me, is not a field stretcher.

819
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: Horizontally maybe, but he's not a vertical field stretcher.

820
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: They don't have the luxury I think of nitpicking that.

821
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: I think it's literally just they need speed on the field.

822
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: That's he's right, But he's to me what we have seen.

823
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Although he was a field stretcher in college.

824
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: He was I don't know if that's gonna that might

825
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: have been a liberty thing. I don't know if that's

826
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: gonna work out.

827
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: That's fair, but like he you could try it, at

828
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: least you could try it.

829
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: But like he's like mid four fives or four fours

830
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: excuse me, Like a four four four I think is

831
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: what he ran.

832
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I think he ran like a four four one.

833
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: Uh it's that's not four two eight's it?

834
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, So this is to your point of there's still

835
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: time left. I want to see him Thursday night. I

836
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: want to see him against the Packers. We we know

837
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: he can do the underneath stuff.

838
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: I knew you're gonna I knew you're gonna be pissed

839
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: off at me.

840
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: For having Let's let's see if he can do some

841
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: of the vertical stuff I thought you're take was going

842
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: to be. It's too soon a quote on Taekwon Thornton.

843
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second. Let's take some

844
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: of these calls. I people have been hold on hold

845
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: for a while. We're definitely gonna talk Taekwon though. All right,

846
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: John is in Louisiana. What's up, John? John? A Hey, hell, Hey,

847
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: sorry for that leaving you on hold for so long.

848
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: What's up?

849
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: That's all good. First, I was just going to give

850
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: you all your calls, and I'm a big pan of

851
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: the podcast. Thank you actually having you just tweeting me

852
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: back on whether I was giving your flowers about.

853
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: The Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.

854
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So my question is what's the new offensive coordinator?

855
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: As the weapons? Do you think we're going to be

856
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: a run to pass the ball or a pass to

857
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: run the ball. And my last question is, if you

858
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: had one dast stake, would you think Devin mccordy or

859
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmore but that's that's all I got got.

860
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: Okay that that last one is a tough one, John,

861
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. So run to pass, pass to run.

862
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: I still think at his roots that Bill O'Brien wants

863
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: to air it out.

864
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Well, he wants to throw the ball air it out.

865
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I think of more as like a deep Okay.

866
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still think he wants to throw the ball.

867
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: I think it ideally to him would be like between

868
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: thirty five and forty attempts a game for Mac Jones

869
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: in his dream scenario. Will Bill the other Bill allow

870
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: him to throw the ball that much is a totally

871
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: different discussion then. Obviously, of course, it's all about success

872
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 2: and failure, right. You know, if if they're throwing the ball, well,

873
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: then they can keep throwing the ball. If they're not,

874
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: then they're gonna have to change.

875
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: Well there's is it O'Brien or Belichick who talks about

876
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: the screen being extension of the run game?

877
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

878
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: I usually Belichick.

879
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Ok So maybe that's the short passing game, the horizontal

880
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: passing game, screen game shirt certainly will all be part

881
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: of that. But I wonder if that's how O'Brien sells it. Yes,

882
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: and throwing the ball.

883
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: That's twenty eleven Patriots, right, that's you know, we're going

884
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to to Wes Welker and it's

885
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: going to be a three yard pass that he's going

886
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: to turn into an eight yard pass and the eight

887
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: yards per attempt on that throw is going to be

888
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: better than the four yards per attempt we're going to

889
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: average on the ground, right, And that's that's that's that

890
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: entire offensive philosophy. I still think that they're gonna incorporate

891
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: a ton of run actions, whether it's play action, RPO,

892
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, to keep the defense honest.

893
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: But are they gonna be like last year they were

894
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: run first team twenty one the ground and Pounty run

895
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: first team in twenty one as well. Are they gonna

896
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: be that? I don't think ideally, But again, it all

897
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: comes down to how well they throw the ball. Yeah,

898
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna dictate that. Gilmore versus mccordy, I that's

899
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: a tough one because clearly, and I love Devin mccordy. Yeah,

900
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: peak Stefan Gilmore was a better football player, and it's

901
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: than Devon.

902
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: It's also you know that shutdown corner if I'm building

903
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: a defense. That's where I'm starting. Yeah, like I I

904
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: just as as a defence and I love Devin. And

905
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: if you're so, if you're telling me, if I have

906
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: to win one game, it's it's Steph. Because if I'm

907
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: building a defense, I want that shutdown corre. If you're

908
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: telling me, like I'm starting a team, yeah, Devon's leadership.

909
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: Not that Steph wasn't a good leader, but Devon's leadership, Like,

910
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I consider that, but it's just give me the shutdown

911
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: corner all day. Like that's that. That's you start with

912
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback on offense, You're starting with a shutdown corner

913
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: on defense.

914
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, how David in Rochester?

915
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: We've been to Rochester.

916
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, there's it going.

917
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: Hey.

918
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: Hey, So I had a running back question, and then

919
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 4: I had something for Alex. I think Alex might like

920
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: to Okay, I start with the Alex thing. All right,

921
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: So Alex, I think I speak for everyone here cash

922
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: twenty two listeners when I say that we need more

923
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: kicker and punter talk.

924
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to what thinks. I love that good point.

925
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: I agree.

926
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: Uh So my running back thing it was actually more

927
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 4: in free agency. Why do you think that the hole

928
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: Ezekie Alliott Dalvin Cook thing has gone completely silent? Are

929
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: we waiting for what the Jets are going to do?

930
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: Or are we just waiting to see what we have

931
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: in Strong and Harris. I'll take it off the.

932
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: Air, Thanks David and h. Yeah, Alex can do special

933
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: teams on his own time, which I will give him

934
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: time on a show. I have actually a take on

935
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: that question too. I just had talked about this yesterday

936
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: with felgerham Maz. I think so there's two reasons. I

937
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: think the veteran running back market's gone quiet, and he

938
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: kind of alluded to it.

939
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: One. I think Ezekiel Elliott, Leonardourette they're waiting for Dalvin Cook.

940
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: They want to let him see the first which my

941
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: whole conspiracy theory about how they were saving to announce

942
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook signing on Hard Knocks didn't pan out, But

943
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: I think those guys want to see the market set.

944
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: He actually got the second reason too. I think, yes,

945
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots do need another running back, but they need

946
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: that guy for a week one of the regular season.

947
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: They don't need that guy now. They've got two young

948
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: backs and Kevin Harrison, Pierre Strong who didn't play a

949
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: ton last year. Why take reps away from those guys

950
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: At this point, I think that they've wanted to drill

951
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: those guys a ton, and not just so they can

952
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: get better, but also to evaluate and see because if

953
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys emerges is a true number two back,

954
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: now you don't need Ezekiel Elliot or Leonard Fournette. Now

955
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: maybe you just go sign c J. Marobble as your

956
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: SFL guy they worked out. I don't know if it's

957
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: marablel or Mayor, but you go sign him as just

958
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: your depth back, and hey, Pierre Strong or Kevin Harris

959
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: takes over for Damian Harris' is that true number two?

960
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: If neither of those guys emerge, then all right, you

961
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: know you still got invaluable reps. And how long do

962
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette really need to get going for

963
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the season. A week, two weeks? So I think after

964
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: that Green Bay game is when they're gonna look at

965
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: it and say, all right, we've got them evaluated through

966
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: two games, two joint practices. Here's where we believe those

967
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: two are at. We need another guy, and that's when

968
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: they make the signing as it stands right now, I

969
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: still I think they need to add one of those

970
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: veterans because I don't think Harris are strong have been

971
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: bad in camp, yeah, but I also don't think they've

972
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: been good. They've just kind of been there. Neither one's

973
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: really popped, and they do need a second a number

974
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: two back who's gonna give you something because ramondra Stevenson

975
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: could not be a three hundred touch guy again this year.

976
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: He got burnt out by the end of the year.

977
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: He can't have that happen two years in a row.

978
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: I still really would like to see them at Ezekiel Elliott.

979
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad about Leonard Fournette, but I'm not

980
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: surprised that they're taking their time with it again. I

981
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: think like a week from now is when that conversation

982
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: really starts to pick up.

983
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm fully with you on on the timing of

984
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: it all, so I won't haven't necessarily need to go

985
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: into that again. But I think the biggest thing with

986
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: for the second year guys and what we've seen out

987
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: of them in practice. One, I will give them the

988
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: out that if your offensive line isn't creating the holes

989
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: in practice, and it's kind of difficult for you to

990
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: pop as that's fair.

991
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: But like the big thing for them that Bill's talked

992
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: about this is in past.

993
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: Pro they just but they haven't really.

994
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: They haven't had a ton of chances to do.

995
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: And that's why not even Remandre has really broken off

996
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: any like real big runs in practice.

997
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, but and that's but that's what I said. We'll

998
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: see these games, We'll see the joint practices.

999
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: It's also difficult to evaluate, especially guys like Kevin Harris

1000
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: who's like a bowling ball, Like you're not gonna his

1001
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: physicality and stuff like that is not going to translate

1002
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: necessarily in practices where they're not tackling through the whistle

1003
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: and tackling to the ground as much. And they do

1004
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: the tackling drills and some periods are are quote unquote live,

1005
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: but we're not talking about game type of reps now.

1006
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: I the more that we get, you know, I love

1007
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Pierre strongly. I'm a peer strong guy. I want to

1008
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: see Pierre Strong with the football in his hands as

1009
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: much as possible, you know, not obviously as a number

1010
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: one guy, but just as a role player. To get

1011
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: that speed on the field and get him in the

1012
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: open field with that speed. With that being said, there's

1013
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: clearly a really good chemistry between Jones and Remandre in

1014
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 2: the passing game. He looks to Remandre a ton Mac does,

1015
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: and sometimes I think that that's not always the you know,

1016
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: these little checkdowns and dump offs, like do those on

1017
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: your own time. But at the same time, like they'll

1018
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: he'll look at the if he gets Vermandre on one

1019
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: of the linebackers like not like a true linebacker. I'm

1020
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: not talking about like one of the safety hybrids, a

1021
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: true line He's going there nine times out of ten.

1022
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: So I think the chemistry that he has with Romandre

1023
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: in the passing game is a factor. And all this

1024
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: so with all that being said, I do wonder if

1025
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: it becomes more about Kevin Harris or potentially Zeke Elliott

1026
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: or Leonard Fournette, then it does about a passing game

1027
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: player merging and taking that away from Vermondre. And obviously

1028
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: the passing game player would be Pierre stronger, like a

1029
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: healthy time Montgomery, because maybe they look at it and

1030
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: they say wanta instead of Vermondre carrying the ball what

1031
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: he had seventy catches roughly last year. So instead of

1032
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: him carrying the ball two hundred times, if we can

1033
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: get that down to one hundred and fifty one hundred

1034
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: and twenty five so that he can still play on

1035
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: third down, Yeah, he might be their best third down

1036
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: back still, and so instead of he's cutting into the

1037
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: early down work is the point. And if that's gonna

1038
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: be the case, then it's gonna be Harris, it's gonna

1039
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: be Zeke, it's gonna be one of these other bigger backs.

1040
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: That Although I'm also still a lot of post to

1041
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: them doing a drive for drive thing like they tried

1042
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: to do last year, I still think that should be

1043
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: on the table. But the problem is they need that

1044
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: second back who can do that. I think that they

1045
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: which would be Fournette.

1046
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: I think that Vermondre is too good. Like I think

1047
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: that they look at Rimandre as a true bel cow

1048
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they're gonna unless they unless

1049
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: it's Dalvin Cook, I don't know if you're gonna get

1050
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: your tat. I think that they're gonna look at everybody.

1051
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: There's a reason not every team does that. It's because

1052
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: it's it's super hard to have the personnel. But if

1053
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Fournette could maybe maybe you go two drives for Remondra,

1054
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: one for Fournette and it's not one for one.

1055
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that they might be looking again

1056
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: at more of like a Damien Harris guy than elevating

1057
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: Pierre Strong to the James White role and having him

1058
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: cut into the snaps that way.

1059
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Right, Somebody in the chat says Mac doesn't look to

1060
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: throw the running back enough.

1061
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that had seventy catches last year. How many more

1062
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: catches do you want to have? All right?

1063
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: It says he looks to him last.

1064
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Devon is in New Hampshire. What's up, Devon?

1065
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 5: Man?

1066
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: All right? Mark is in Connecticut. Mark, I missed you

1067
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: at practice the other day. I apologize, But what's going on?

1068
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 6: Hey, Evan, No, it's all good. I know you're a

1069
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: busy man. It's all good.

1070
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: Man.

1071
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 6: I saw the sargere over there. We gat it with

1072
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 6: him for a little while.

1073
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: But there you go.

1074
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 6: Anyway, running back, I was going to talk to you

1075
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 6: about that, but you guys kind of already, you know,

1076
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 6: intervene on that. But I'm still a fan of Denario

1077
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 6: pop Douglass. I still think he's gonna make the roster,

1078
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 6: and I think he's actually gonna be a pretty good

1079
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 6: impact player. Wanted to get your take on that because

1080
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: it seems like it kind of putting them down a

1081
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: little bit.

1082
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Now, I know, I know. Thanks for the call, Mark

1083
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: and for listening. As always, I'm not trying to I'm

1084
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: not trying to put him down. He's done everything right.

1085
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: He's done everything right. Alex is right about that. He's

1086
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: checked every box. He's done everything right. We all see it.

1087
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: It's all tangible that you can see the quick twitch,

1088
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: you can see the burst. I think, especially at the

1089
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: top of the route's really there as well. But he's

1090
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: really developed, and Marcus Jones talked about this yesterday, the

1091
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: early stages of the route. He's getting even better at that,

1092
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: like to release the stam setting it up, you know, salesmanship,

1093
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: that sort of thing that's come along really nicely for

1094
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: him as well. I think he's an NFL player. I

1095
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: think he's gonna make the fifty three man roster. I

1096
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: just need to see it against better competition, more significant

1097
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: raps than than just regular training camp practice, joint practices,

1098
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: preseason games. That's when I'm gonna find out, if to

1099
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: Mario Douglas is a dude. I know de Mario Douglas

1100
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: is a fifty three man roster player, But is he

1101
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: a guy? I don't know yet.

1102
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: He is a guy. We don't know if he's a dude. Sure,

1103
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: he is a guy.

1104
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: They love, love, love Juju, Parker and Born. They love them.

1105
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 2: But it's gonna take a lot, I think to take

1106
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: those three off the field for this coaching staff in

1107
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 2: eleven person.

1108
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: But again, to go back to the point I think,

1109
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: and there is, there's got to be an understanding that

1110
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: there needs to be a speed element.

1111
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: I agree.

1112
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: The other thing is, like, you know, I agree with that,

1113
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: right and looks it's football. It's an unfortunate reality. Those

1114
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: three guys aren't all playing seventeen.

1115
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: Games, not especially not Parker and Juju.

1116
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: Right they're not, So you're gonna have to And if

1117
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: they do play all seventeen, it's probably because they're managing

1118
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: their workload and they're mixing in a fourth receiver on

1119
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: a regular basis. So again I think it's Dornton and

1120
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: Douglas battling for that fourth spot right now. And again

1121
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: there's I will admit with you, there's a long way

1122
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: to go. I think some people already have Douglas as

1123
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: the guy in Thornton off the roster. It's too soon

1124
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: for that, but it is trending towards at least Douglas

1125
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: winning that. So let me ask you this though, to

1126
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: go back to because you've got a lot of people

1127
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: worked up about that. When is the last time? Because

1128
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: so people go back to last year we had that

1129
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: whole thing with little Jordan Humphrey and Trey Knicks and

1130
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: a Christian Wilkerson. Remember, but like and we were talking

1131
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: about them as like maybe being something. We were not

1132
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: talking about them as definitively Samara Ducks. It was almost

1133
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: by elimination. We just figured they were going to carry

1134
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: a fifth wide receiver and those are the best options.

1135
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: When's the last time you remember a Patriots rookie receiver

1136
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: just to this point, there's a yes, there's a way

1137
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: to go to this point. When's the last time you

1138
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: remember a Patriots receiver having this complete of a camp?

1139
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean not in my time covering the team.

1140
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: And that's the point, that's where the excitement comes from,

1141
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: because that's totally fair. It does look different than it too.

1142
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: I just we talk about this all the time. I

1143
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: have made mistakes evaluating players in camp in the past.

1144
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: You're no, you're a little gun shot.

1145
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use his name because it's not

1146
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: fair to Maurice Harris that we always throw him under

1147
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: the bus, all right, but the point being is.

1148
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: That you're a little gun shy buying in on a

1149
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: fast player because he's fast, and a lot of guys,

1150
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: a lot of guys just have good training camps like

1151
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and it doesn't always it doesn't always stick.

1152
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's not going to stick. I'm

1153
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: just saying again, I don't know if he's a dude yet.

1154
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: I know he's a guy, I don't know if he's

1155
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: a dude. And so here's why I think this one's

1156
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: a little different. Maurice Harris. Some of those other speed guys,

1157
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: they fell off when the pads came on. You could

1158
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: see it. Douglas didn't yet. That's well, the pats have

1159
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: been on. He's been good at this point, has been

1160
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: on like five prask well, at this point it would

1161
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: be more bad. I think it's more realistic. He falls

1162
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: off against like other teams competition that it's just the

1163
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: pads like I've seen enough that I believe he can

1164
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: handle contact. That's my point is, and that's fair.

1165
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Taekwon for a second, because we're talking.

1166
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: We're talking a lot about the receivers. Anyways, when it

1167
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: comes to Taekwon, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm

1168
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: super disappointed. I'm upset. Yeah, I'm upset. And a reason why.

1169
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Another that you got burned on him in the spring.

1170
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm upset about Taekwon is because injuries aside, Like,

1171
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: let's just let's just talk about when he's been out there, right,

1172
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: the injuries and and all that stuff aside, Let's just

1173
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: focus on when he's actually been out there. I think

1174
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: he's gotten open. I think he's gotten open, and he's

1175
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: doing it against the twos, which you need to add

1176
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: that context. It's not always against Christian Gonzales one. Yes,

1177
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: don't don't tell me about one on ones anyways.

1178
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: In five minutes he'll be talking about how they matter.

1179
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: That's fair. Uh, he has gotten open. What's disappointing about

1180
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: Taekwon is he cannot freaking finish through contact to save

1181
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: his life. And that's so frustrat because they need this

1182
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: speed element, and I mentioned that Tomorrow Douglas is a

1183
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: little bit different. I think Tomorrio Douglas's role with this

1184
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: Patriots team is what we have grown accustomed to seeing

1185
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: out of that quick twitch slot role. And he's faster

1186
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: in a straight line than some of the guys that

1187
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: have been in that role in the past. You know,

1188
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: He's not he's He's faster than Needel Minner or Welker

1189
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: or a Moondola or one of those guys. He's probably

1190
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: more in like the Troy Brown Dion Branch mold. Yeah,

1191
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: I think Deon Branch is a solid com but he's

1192
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: to me, he's not He's not a take the top

1193
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: off burner like Taekwon could be. And we've seen Taekwon

1194
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: do it a couple of times. The throw that that

1195
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: really frustrated me, and I just I was like, all right,

1196
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: like this is just this is getting to a point

1197
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: now where I don't think he might ever be able

1198
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: to do this. He ran a post corner against Josh

1199
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: Bledsoe got yeah, okay, like five yards of separation. He

1200
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: was open, wide open, Bailey zappy under throw it. He

1201
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: flat out under through the pass. I'm getting too flat

1202
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: out under through the ball, no doubt about it. But

1203
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: Tayekwon adjusted to the underthrown ball, came back to it,

1204
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: elevated above Joshua bloed cell and had the ball on his.

1205
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: Hands for a beat. He had the ball in his

1206
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: hands for a beat, and then when he brought it down,

1207
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: he left it out like a loaf of bread and

1208
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: allowed Joshua blood Still to just.

1209
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: Knock it out of his hands for an incomplete pass.

1210
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: He's not going to win with physicality, we know that.

1211
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: But he is six foot three and the fact that

1212
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: he cannot win, it's not about winning like DeVante Parker's

1213
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: style jump balls. Go watch a lot of these speed

1214
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: guys around the league, and as much as Tyreek Hill

1215
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: might get five yards behind the defense once every two

1216
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: weeks or something like that, he also is able to

1217
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: get a step and then finished through the con attacked

1218
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: at the catch point. If you can't do that and

1219
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: you're only relying on the times where you actually just

1220
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: blow by the defense and beat everybody by five yards,

1221
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: then you are are You're gonna be a situational like

1222
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: sparingly targeted player. What separates the deep threats in this league?

1223
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: What separates guys like Tyreek Hill from guys like Philip

1224
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 2: dor said, is that they can finish at the catch

1225
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: point and he can't finish at the catchpoint. So what

1226
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: good is It's such a waste of talent because he

1227
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: can get open, he just can't finish the play.

1228
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: There was another play, this was the same practice, I

1229
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: think was this Monday. I think it was a Bundy

1230
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: where he got open in the end zone. Like we

1231
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: talked about the red zone struggles at the beginning, he

1232
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: got to open in the end zone. And I mean

1233
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't a perfect throw from Zappy. It wasn't between

1234
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: the numbers. It's a little off his frame, but it

1235
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: was like it's a fine throw. You wouldn't look at

1236
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: it and say it's a bad throw. But he had

1237
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: to go away from his frame and catch it. So

1238
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: he goes out, he catches the ball, but he can't

1239
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: bring it into his body. Rodney Randall gets over and

1240
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: just hits him with his shoulder like in the side,

1241
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: like you know, very normal football player. Give them a

1242
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: littleholder check and Thornton dropped the ball. Yeah, and it's

1243
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: it's again that thing where catching through contact as a

1244
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: hands catcher Look, it's been the Patriots history at wide

1245
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: receivers obviously very convoluted and complex, and it's very hard

1246
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, what kind of guys do

1247
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: work here, because it's been so hard to find that.

1248
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: The answer to that to Mario Douglas, Yes, well, if

1249
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: there is just draft to Mario Douglas in the second

1250
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: freaking round, sorry, that would have been uh uh tank Dell.

1251
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: If just just like you know what skill set works, okay,

1252
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: but so just take that skill set and drafted from

1253
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: a power five or from like a top one hundred prospect.

1254
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: Why why do they do this? Why it just to

1255
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: let me finish my point if there is one individual

1256
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: skill so the three cone in the agilities won another one.

1257
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think this gets talked about enough. If

1258
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: you go back to Dion branch through, you know there's

1259
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys here. Julian Edeman who's great at this,

1260
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is great at this, Moss Gronk obviously, uh

1261
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Welker hands catchers. So what that means is like a

1262
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: body catches a guy when he catches his ball, he

1263
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: brings in the body. That's why he makes the catch.

1264
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: Hands catchers. You can go out, you can catch the

1265
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: ball away from your frame, and even if there's contact,

1266
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: your hands are strong enough to hold onto the ball.

1267
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: I'll give it to Keishan Boody. He's a good hands,

1268
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: good hands catcher.

1269
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: That's another. Mikeasicki is a guy who's looked like a

1270
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: really good hands catcher early in this practice, in this camp, ridiculous.

1271
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton not a hands catcher remotely. And that's a

1272
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: that's a a focus. It's it's a balanced thing, and

1273
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a play strength thing. And we know

1274
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: his play strength isn't great. We've known that, and it

1275
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: was something you'd hope would get better going into a

1276
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: second year. That hasn't been. And when you have an

1277
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: accurate quarterback like mac Jones or you know, this is why,

1278
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: this is why these guys worked with Tom Brady, because

1279
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: when the quarterback knows you can go away from your

1280
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: body and make the play, it essentially increases the window

1281
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: he is to throw the ball. That might open up

1282
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: some windows that don't otherwise exist. Mac Jones can capitalize

1283
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: on that, not to the level Brady could, but he

1284
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: can capitalize on that right exactly if you can't go

1285
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: away from your frame to catch the ball, and away

1286
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: from your frame doesn't mean to the side, it also

1287
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: means up in Taekwon being six to three, if you

1288
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: can't go away from your frame to catch the ball,

1289
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't do the quarterback a lot of good. And that,

1290
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: to me is what's been more discouraging about Taekwon than

1291
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: anything else. It's been his hands.

1292
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been extremely disappointing that because you see, like

1293
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: on the Bloodsteat play that I described, he's six three

1294
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: and he's got a pretty good wingspan, so he goes

1295
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: up to catch the football and you're like, that's a

1296
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: pretty high level.

1297
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, and I know you hate it,

1298
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: but we've talked about this. That's going to be a

1299
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: big part of their offense this year. Vertical separation, low key.

1300
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: Climbing the ladder with t with with tall reek right like,

1301
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: you're getting up there, but he can't hang onto the football.

1302
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: And I think the difference is and this is why

1303
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: I look. I I probably was was the last one

1304
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: that that believed anything in Nikil Harry also, but with

1305
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: Nikil Harry, he was stiff, he was slow, he couldn't

1306
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: run routes.

1307
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: Like you another guy that wasn't a good hand catcher.

1308
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: But we saw it like almost right away that this

1309
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: guy just didn't move at a first round level. Like

1310
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: it just he wasn't explosive, he wasn't a good route runner.

1311
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: He couldn't change. It was just he wasn't an NFL

1312
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: athlete like people thought he was. I think Taekwon Thornton's

1313
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: an NFL athlete. I think Taekwon Thornton's speed is legit.

1314
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: I think it's difficult to win to when.

1315
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: He and that That's why I'm as much as I

1316
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: just kind of dug into him, I'm not ready to

1317
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: give up on him yet.

1318
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all those things are legit. It's the

1319
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: details that are just not there with him in the hands,

1320
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: the ability to you know, the route running in the

1321
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: in the fundamentals of route running, in terms of the IQ,

1322
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: like all those types of things. The other veteran guys,

1323
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: and I know he's only in the second year, but

1324
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: you want we can watch it against like Parker Juju Born,

1325
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: like those guys are just so far and away better

1326
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: at the catch point, yeah than Taekwon is. It's so

1327
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: obvious watching them play football on a day to day

1328
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: basis in practice. And that's why it's so frustrating with

1329
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: Taekwond because he does the hardest part. The hardest part

1330
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: is getting open. Yeah, he does the hardest part. He

1331
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: just can't do. He can't do the rest of it.

1332
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: He he wins on ninety five percent of the route,

1333
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: but it's the last five percent that he just can't

1334
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: close the deal. Yeah, And if he can develop that somehow,

1335
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: it's not about like adding muscle to his frame.

1336
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: It's it's but that would help at the catch point

1337
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: because if you have stronger hands, it's easier to hold

1338
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: onto the ball through contact.

1339
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: So but that is part of Maybe it's the small risks.

1340
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a small ruce.

1341
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just.

1342
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: Maybe he just got no restraint. It's it's I mean,

1343
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: we're joking, but we're not.

1344
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's frustrating to watch because you watch

1345
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: him run by these guys and he ran a he

1346
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: beat Isaiah Bolden and seven's a little stutter and go

1347
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: and he caught it. But he caught it in the

1348
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: bread basket, which is totally different than what we're talking about.

1349
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, there you go, like that's doable.

1350
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: The post corner should be like a a patented Taekwon route,

1351
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: that should be something that is a foundational I'm a

1352
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: four to two eight guy. You can't cover me on

1353
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: this and he got open and yeah, and in an

1354
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: ideal world, would ZAPPI have led him into, you know,

1355
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: down the field and he would have walked into the

1356
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: end zone. Yeah, of course. But still that again, it's

1357
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: not always going to be perfect conditions, right, and we

1358
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time with the quarterbacks themselves,

1359
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: that it's not always going to be perfect conditioned. So

1360
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: that's your Taekwon man. I'm not ready to give up

1361
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: on Taekwon. I don't think you are either, but certainly

1362
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: in terms of playing time, it's getting to the point

1363
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: where he's the fourth guy at best. At this point, I've.

1364
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: Given you that whole take about you've got to do

1365
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: what's best for mac Jones and if having Tomorrow Douglas

1366
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: on the field, and I think Mac Jones really likes

1367
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: Tomorrio Douglas, if having from his hometown, if if he's

1368
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: a legend his hometown, Max said, and we know Taekwon,

1369
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of miscommunications with them here so

1370
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: far the summer. If Tomrio Douglas being on the field

1371
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: is better for Mac Jones than Taekwon Thornton, then Tomorrio

1372
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: Douglas needs to be on the field over Taekwon or period.

1373
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's get it back to some of

1374
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: the phones here, and I do want to talk defense.

1375
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: We do. Yeah, this is like two shows. Well, definitely,

1376
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird camp for the defense though, because

1377
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: outside of Christian Zalez and Marte Maphu, they just brought

1378
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: back everybody from last year.

1379
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: It's you knew exactly what you were gonna get and

1380
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: it's looked exactly.

1381
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: There's really in a very good way. Is there really

1382
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: any news on the defense other than Christian Zalez? Is good? No, Like,

1383
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: I want to talk about ke On White, but we

1384
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: just against the third string offensive lineman. We can't do it. Yeah,

1385
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: I'll talk a lot about ke On White after the

1386
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: game tomorrow.

1387
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1388
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: I think that that's sort of something that we're looking

1389
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: at in terms of the game tomorrow and then obviously

1390
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: moving forward. Is that some of these defensive guys I

1391
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: think need to be tested a little bit more. And

1392
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: I'll we'll see what that looks like. I love the

1393
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: fact that the Christian Zalces look fantastic. He even when

1394
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: he loses, it's not because he gets burnt. He's just

1395
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out some of the final

1396
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: elements of his game, like anticipation in ball skills and

1397
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But he's in receiver's hip pockets basically

1398
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: all the time, and he's really impressive. We've all said that.

1399
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for him, which is what

1400
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: I really like, maybe not against the Texans if he

1401
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: plays a little bit tomorrow night, but in terms of

1402
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: the Packers and the Titans, he's he is going to

1403
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: start to see some better receivers in those joint practices.

1404
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: Like perfect example, Christian Watson on the Packers is a

1405
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: great matchup for him, right. I even think Romeo Dobbs

1406
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: is a solid matchup for him, but Christian Watson in particular, big, fast,

1407
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: physical outside receiver. Those are the types of guys that

1408
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to cover and cover well. And then

1409
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: we get to Tennessee and we know, you know who

1410
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: is down in Tennessee, and so is Traylon Burke. So

1411
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: we both didn't really love, but still another big, size,

1412
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 2: speed type of receiver as well, So I think that

1413
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: he has some warm ups. Certainly, Burke's was supposed to

1414
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: be AJ Brown and he's gonna face see J. Brown

1415
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: in week one, so it's kind of like minor league

1416
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: a J. Brown and that can get you ready for

1417
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: major league a J. Brown and one. So yeah, so

1418
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: he loved what we've seen at of Gonzales. Uh, the

1419
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: safety position is still I think if you have to

1420
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: look at one, I don't want to call it. I

1421
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: guess better not concerned question mark. I'm still not one

1422
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent sure how it's gonna look in

1423
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: center field. I don't know how much they're gonna really play. Yeah,

1424
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 2: I don't think there. I just think they're not gonna

1425
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: do a ton of centerfield stuff. Yeah, it's kind of

1426
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: been my my takeaway from it, Yeah, because I just

1427
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: don't love they don't have anybody up there. And I

1428
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: think one of the things that there's two things about

1429
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 2: it that I think are really the key, and one

1430
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: is obviously recognition and anticipation of route combinations, right, Like

1431
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: you have to be able to know what the what

1432
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: the offense is running and figure it out quickly and

1433
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: anticipate and recognize formations and things like that, situation formations

1434
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: in a say, situation like down in distance, formations like

1435
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: That's what made Devin a step ahead so often was

1436
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: that he was able to recognize those types of things

1437
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: pre snap and then understand where the biggest threats were

1438
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: and how he can help and things like that. And

1439
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 2: then obviously it's the flip and run talent, like who

1440
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: has that ability to get into the pedal and then

1441
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: see that it's coming over the top and flip and

1442
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: run with the in close right on a go ball

1443
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: on the sideline. Adrian Phillips talked about this a little

1444
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: bit when we talked to him. Devin could sit in

1445
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: center field and he could go sideline to sideline. He

1446
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: could just sit in the middle of the field and

1447
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: be able to make a play on the go ball

1448
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: side on the boundary up the numbers. They don't necessarily

1449
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: have a guy that can do that. Now, So is

1450
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: it tilting it like? Is it cheating it over to

1451
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: that side? Is it more too high?

1452
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 5: Like?

1453
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: I still don't think we've necessarily gotten that answer, because

1454
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: they're not really game planning or scheming at that type

1455
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: of level. Yet in practice, that's the one area that

1456
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: I've been a little bit like, we still got to

1457
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: wait and see on this. The defensive front is ridiculous.

1458
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: Like they got like seventeen guys that they can throw

1459
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: at you. All of them can beat blocks. Keon Whitees

1460
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 2: looked fine. I think he's gonna be a rotational guy.

1461
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: Josh U J. Connor I mentioned it earlier. Connor Precdermot

1462
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: must have him in his nightmares, like he can't can't

1463
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: block his speed. Ye, judea On is like just didn't

1464
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 2: even look like he missed a practice when he got

1465
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: out there with the pads on, and you know, Godshaw's

1466
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: going to do his thing. Dietrich Wise, I think is

1467
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: still going to be at the level that he was

1468
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: similar to last year. I know that people regardless, like

1469
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: you can ask national media like a lot of people,

1470
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: but I think the Patriots have one of the best

1471
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: defensive fronts in football.

1472
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: I would say so too, especially if it's going to

1473
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: take that jump.

1474
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: I still think San Francisco's is better than there's probably

1475
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: and maybe San Francisco's. Philly Dallas like those are something.

1476
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird because people have asked me, like,

1477
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: how good can the Patriots defense be? The balance did

1478
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: the lack of balance in defense between the AFC and NFC. Like,

1479
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: I feel confident there's three teams in the AFC that

1480
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: are going to be the three best defense as well

1481
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: above everybody else. The Patriots, Jet Steelers, will would order

1482
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: that ends up being in I think they all have,

1483
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, for the Patriots, it's where's Christian Zales at

1484
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: for for the Steelers of health for the Jets at

1485
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner year two. But those are gonna be three

1486
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: top defenses. But I don't know that any of those

1487
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: three would be even top two in the NFC. So

1488
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: it's like this weird thing trying to balance between those two.

1489
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their Patriots defensive front is legit, Yeah, legit, legit.

1490
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: Marty Mapu still in the Red Jersey, that kind of

1491
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: I still think they're trying to figure out where exactly

1492
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 2: he fits best. They're not listening to me about using

1493
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: him solely out linebacker yet, so I still think that

1494
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: that's a preseason thing and maybe joint practice thing where

1495
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: we kind of hone in on exactly how he's gonna

1496
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: be used. I still think that he's gonna be a

1497
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: situational passing game player, coverage linebacker right, comeing on third

1498
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: down and cover on third down instead of you know,

1499
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: maybe Juwan Bentley then moves forward and plays in the

1500
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: rush or comes off the field. Jalan Tavai certainly comes

1501
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: off the field, and that that makes room for Martypu

1502
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 2: and you know, Jack Jones. Like Jack Jones, he's a

1503
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: good player. Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen

1504
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: with him off the field. He has that a next

1505
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: hearing on August eighteenth, So my guess is he won't

1506
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: be with us in Green Bay. He'll probably be back

1507
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: here right and it'll be interesting to see what it

1508
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: looks like come August eighteenth, because that's I believe he's

1509
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: been arranged. So I believe that that's like the first

1510
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: hearing where the state brings their case to the table

1511
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: and they have to prove that they have a case

1512
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: against him, and at that point then it goes to

1513
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, trial date and things like that. So we'll

1514
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 2: see what happens on August eighteenth with Jack Jones. But

1515
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: I love the idea, and obviously it matters if he's

1516
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: going to be out there but they have John Jones,

1517
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: they have Christian Gonzalez as these two guys that are

1518
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 2: just they're gonna put straps on guys, They're going to

1519
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: live in their hip pockets. They can cover these receivers

1520
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: man to man, and then you have your ballhawk on

1521
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: the boundary and Jack Jones, And I think that that

1522
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: really allows him a Kyle Dugger like some of those players,

1523
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: to just rove the defense in the secondary and become

1524
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: ballhawks and go ahead and create those turnovers. So I

1525
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: love that balance of having that ability there, and obviously

1526
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 2: he does bring a little bit more size to the

1527
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: boundary as well. What are your thoughts on Isaiah Bolden?

1528
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: Are you? I just rained all over the Pop Douglas parade,

1529
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: so maybe we should do that too.

1530
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 5: Well.

1531
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: No, so I got super excited about Isaiah Bolden. Then

1532
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, you know, he got elevated

1533
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: to more premier reps against better players, he kind of

1534
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: came back down to earth a little bit. I like

1535
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: his long term projection as like a third boundary corner.

1536
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: So he's a guy and kickoff returner and a kickoff turner.

1537
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: Like I think it's come down to like him and

1538
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: a mere speed. A lot of people have it that

1539
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: way if they don't have to burn because people are like,

1540
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: oh you cut a guy bringing back on the practic squad, well,

1541
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: then you burn his rookie contract.

1542
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't do that.

1543
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: I to me, like, do you want to be going

1544
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: year to year with Isaiah Bolden if he turns out

1545
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: to be a legit boundary corner right? So item as

1546
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: my fifty fourth player on my last roster projection. I

1547
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: did because they like him.

1548
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: But that's the one that's gonna kill people.

1549
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: But now, honestly, Miles, the more I think about it,

1550
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant's on a one year deal. He's definitely guy

1551
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: you could cut and bring back. And I don't think

1552
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: he's waivers eligible either. I think he just becomes a

1553
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: free agent, so.

1554
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 2: He might have played too much to be a wave

1555
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,919
Speaker 2: res eligible agent.

1556
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you wouldn't have to worry

1557
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: aout anybody claiming him. You just tell him, hey, he's

1558
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: only in year four, right, Yeah, yeah, I think, but

1559
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: he's not on his rookie deals, but he's not anyway. Yeah,

1560
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: I like what I've seen from Isaiah Bolden. He's more

1561
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of with him. It's more all right, Like I

1562
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: like him as a project player. He's a good emergency

1563
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: option on the boundary. Like I'd rather have him on

1564
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: the boundary than Marcus Jones or Jonathan Jones. I like

1565
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: having that side speed speed option on the boundary. He's

1566
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: not passing Jack Jones on the depth chart at anytime soon.

1567
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: But if you lose Jack Jones for a period of time,

1568
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: if he needs to give you two or three games,

1569
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: I think he could maybe give you two or three games.

1570
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: And he's a guy I'm more excited about, like year two,

1571
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: year three, where does he develop a corner? And he's

1572
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, when Jack Jones contract gets up,

1573
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: could he be the next man up there?

1574
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would. I would like to see them try

1575
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 2: to keep Isaiah Bolden From what I've seen, Yeah, I

1576
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: think that he's one of those guys that you just

1577
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: mentioned is only going to get better as he progresses.

1578
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: Especially if you can say all the flak you want

1579
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: about the Patriots developing receivers, they can develop corners. They

1580
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: can definitely develop corners, and I think that they would

1581
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: be able to develop Isaiah.

1582
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they can't develop receivers because they develop

1583
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: all these amazing corners. Just blank these guys and it's

1584
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: literally just make them give him mirror, like.

1585
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: Just just do the opposite of what you tell the corners.

1586
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand Isaiah Bolden, I think has that

1587
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: ability like you mentioned, to play on the boundary, which

1588
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 2: I like. I think he's got the physical tools due

1589
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 2: And I know that Marcus Jones is Marcus Jones and

1590
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: he's going to be back there on kickoffs and punts

1591
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: in some capacity. But I don't hate having a guy

1592
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 2: like Isaiah Bolden potentially as the kickoff returner instead of

1593
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones fast, don't get me wrong, but

1594
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden's a strider, right, and sometimes the striders are

1595
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: better off on kickoffs.

1596
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: And Mark Jones talked about this like he's more of

1597
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: a punt returner than kick returning. He's more experienced at that.

1598
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: The interesting battle if we get to that point, will

1599
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: be Tomorrio Douglas is also a really good kick returner,

1600
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: so we'll be him and Bolden for that kick return.

1601
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 2: I just always look at kick returns as like you know,

1602
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: like Cordarol Patterson is obviously the the gold standard for

1603
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 2: kickoff return obviously. And he's like tall and big, you know, Like,

1604
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: I think the at that spot, you you want a

1605
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: long strider more than you want the jitterbug, right, Like,

1606
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: That's that's always how I felt a better.

1607
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that if you're good enough jitterbug,

1608
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: you can make you work.

1609
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1610
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: That's fair, all right, especially actually with the new rules especially,

1611
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: I think that will make it more favorable to guys

1612
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: like that.

1613
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take some of these calls and

1614
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: then then we'll get to Alex's special teams minute before

1615
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: we wrap the show. But eldred And is in North Carolina.

1616
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 2: What's that, Beldrid?

1617
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 5: Hey Ellen, I got a bone pick?

1618
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, sir, one.

1619
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 5: On one the seven on seven are football because if

1620
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 5: you can't get open on one on one, you sure

1621
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 5: ain't gonna get open on Sundays or Fridays or Saturdays.

1622
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 5: Whenever you play, you're not gonna get open. So that

1623
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 5: is real football, you know, because you got to develop

1624
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 5: your skills in sets, and if there's seven on seven,

1625
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,440
Speaker 5: you know you're going to get corners and stations and linebackers.

1626
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 5: But on the difference, that you got on eleven. You

1627
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 5: got lines coming after quarterback. He ain't worried about this.

1628
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 5: Worry about the the guys in the secondary that's doing

1629
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 5: the curving in the zone. So you got to develop there.

1630
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you one bone. I'll give you seven on

1631
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 2: of seven. I'm not gonna give you one.

1632
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 5: Okay, keep being stubborn, that's all right anyway, but uh

1633
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 5: but take one. I love him, man. He played like

1634
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: that on the game. If somebody hit him, he drops

1635
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 5: the ball, but he's wide open. He's wide open like

1636
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 5: that on the game too. But uh that I wish

1637
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: they got Jefferson to coach the wide receivers because I

1638
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 5: don't think they can't coach right, be honest with you.

1639
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 5: I know, I know my man is back there, but

1640
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 5: Bob Brown, but they toy somewhere up. I don't think

1641
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 5: he really kept developing some of the guys, be honest,

1642
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 5: because we've got too bady to go in and out

1643
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 5: and they don't go no way up after that. Yeah,

1644
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 5: that's what I'm wondering.

1645
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah that that's a really fair point, elderd. And thanks

1646
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: for the call, and we uh, well we'll settle on

1647
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: seven on seven. Well, I'll give you seven on seven

1648
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: has some translatable skills, so I'm not giving you one

1649
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 2: on it. But I'm not here.

1650
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: He's right if you can't win one on one. Nobody's

1651
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: looking at the one on ones, just the one on ones.

1652
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: It's saying he's gonna be great because he's winning one

1653
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: on ones. But what some people might be all right,

1654
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: well they're wrong. Like I said about Tomorrow, Douglas checking

1655
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 1: all the boxes. It's a box. It's a box that's checked. Okay,

1656
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: it's not you even used one on ones before in

1657
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: an example I did.

1658
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: You're right, I like I. I like Tomorrow. It's part

1659
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: of the story. That's I'm not trying to trap on

1660
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas. We've liked to Mario Douglas since January,

1661
01:15:58,800 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 2: so like, this is our guy.

1662
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,839
Speaker 1: He told everybody about to Mario Douglas. We found Mario Douglas.

1663
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: We did not find no remember his on that website

1664
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but a Patriots scouting staff knew about Tomorrio

1665
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: Douglas two years. I'm saying, like, outside of outside of

1666
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: NFL scouting rooms, outside of like people who are like

1667
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: actual Scots, remember his draft stock on that website. It

1668
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: was like like in the four fifty five hundreds, and

1669
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: then we start tweet about him and boom, he's a

1670
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: borderline off one.

1671
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 2: It was us okay, But here's all I'm saying about

1672
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: the Mario Douglas. This is me protecting my own butt,

1673
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: all right, because I'm gonna come up. You've gotten burned too,

1674
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 2: and we're gonna tomorrow Douglas. Nobody can cover him. The

1675
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: guy's unbelievable, YadA, YadA, YadA. And then in like two months,

1676
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, mid season, regular season, real football people are

1677
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,919
Speaker 2: gonna be like, oh, guy, do you remember when the

1678
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 2: the Catch twenty two guys said Tomorrio Douglas was going

1679
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 2: to be the next you know, all pro receiver and

1680
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: then he didn't even make the team. Michael, right, Like,

1681
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say, let's just take it one

1682
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: step at a time. That's it. Yeah, that's it. And

1683
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 2: all those conversations about like who is he going to

1684
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: push off the roster and is he going to start?

1685
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: And is boringexpendable? Is Taekwon expend like word that's way

1686
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: too premature.

1687
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: Wait I talked into I'm not saying that either. It's

1688
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: literally just he It's been a long time since a

1689
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: rookie Patriots receiver got this far, and that's exciting.

1690
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 2: It is exciting, and it's the type of receiver that

1691
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: I love, guy that creates it and not just.

1692
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: That's the type of receiver that Bill O'Brien loves, like

1693
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: you talk about. Yeah, I said thing before. Part of

1694
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: the reasons. It's not just that he's playing well, but

1695
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: there's a clear path to playing time. I should add

1696
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: a third thing to that. Scheme fit Yeah, perfect scheme fit.

1697
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: So so I'm not I don't want to get bogged

1698
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 2: down too much on the week.

1699
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: We've done a lot of receiver talked last two weeks, so.

1700
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's weekend's camp.

1701
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah we can. We can go back to calls when

1702
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: you want.

1703
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: I I gotta say though this, I was yelling about

1704
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: it earlier jokingly. I'm dead serious about this. It is

1705
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: beyond frustrating that this team cannot recognize the type of

1706
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: skill set that fits their offense and just draft that

1707
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 2: freaking skill set.

1708
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: So is it two years ago, three years ago? Who

1709
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: is the guy I wanted that you're like would be

1710
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: great Robinson? Remember how I was?

1711
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 2: They're not gonna take them, okay, So like Wandell, Robinson's

1712
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 2: a good example. Obviously we're gonna see him tomorrow night,

1713
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: maybe John Metchi who thank god it good for him,

1714
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: he's back in health and all that stuff.

1715
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: A little bit different. But remember Tony and I know

1716
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: that there's been some other issues with.

1717
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: The ton and and the Giants drafted him under a

1718
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: Patriot regime like they so they're they're patriot guys.

1719
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: Reckon Dell under a Patriots regime. Tank Dell, who's the

1720
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: kid from Memphis, Calvin Austin.

1721
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: Calvin Austin. We went up against Marcus Jones a lot

1722
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: and uh in that conference and uh and obviously a

1723
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: big one for me was Sky Moore, Oh you really,

1724
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: who hasn't really done much in Kansas City yet. But

1725
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: it's it's about the traits and it's about what's translatable

1726
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 2: to this offense. They have drafted Nikhil Harry Early, who

1727
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: was a stiff like stiff and I mean stiff. Yeah,

1728
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: bau Melt did.

1729
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: We loved vau Melt.

1730
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: Not not like to take shots at in thee. But

1731
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: when I say stiff, I mean like literally stiff, like

1732
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: he was a stiff mover. Yeah, okay, and then they

1733
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: draft Taekwon, who's a one trick pony. It can only

1734
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 2: get up the field and that's it. And then they

1735
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: like they'd actually take a mouldable skill set for them,

1736
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: where all you gotta do is have Troy Brown teach

1737
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: him to be Troy Brown, right, and like Jacoby was

1738
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: the same.

1739
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: Which we got to get into the Jersey number takes

1740
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: it to the very.

1741
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 2: I know that Jacoby is not the fastest guy in

1742
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 2: a straight line, but he was really good at the

1743
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: top of the route and he's got that craftiness and

1744
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: that shiftiness and that's why it worked out. So instead

1745
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: of taking to Mario Douglas and look at ultimately it

1746
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if to Mario Douglas is a dude, then

1747
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: who cares that he went to Liberty and was drafted

1748
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: in the sixth round?

1749
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: Oh Marii Rodgers was another one. Sorry, I'm going back

1750
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: through the old drafver. But Jalen Darton, Jalen Darton don't

1751
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: do There's two things I do every day. I brush

1752
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: my teeth and I get open that. I was sold

1753
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 1: on that quote alone.

1754
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: All right. The point being is is that we what

1755
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 2: you could do. This is a bold assessment here. What

1756
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: you could do is you recognize that Tomrio Douglas has

1757
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: the skill set that you want. So let's just take

1758
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: the guy that's Tomorrio Douglas, but like in the SEC right,

1759
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: and let's just take that guy early and let's take

1760
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: that the route runner, the technician, the guy that gets

1761
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: open instead of the guy that is Nikhil Harry or Taekwon.

1762
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 2: And let's just go that. Why can't we just do that?

1763
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: And when I say we, I mean the Patriots, Like,

1764
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: why can't the Patriots just do that? I don't understand

1765
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: what's so difficult about that? With their valuations.

1766
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: Let's I'll tell you this. That's it.

1767
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say.

1768
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: Texas A and m Ania Smith. That's that's the top

1769
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: of this draft. Guy next year.

1770
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's

1771
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: up Todd?

1772
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 7: Hey? Hey, question is after watching a lot of the game,

1773
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 7: what do you are the camp? What do you think

1774
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 7: that the offense and defense? Are they kind of be

1775
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 7: more modern? Are they still you know Bill Belichicks mold

1776
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 7: of you know, let's bend but not break. Let's you know,

1777
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 7: control the game by controlling the clock and going on

1778
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 7: from there.

1779
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 2: Well, Todd, that's a good question, and thanks for the call.

1780
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 2: I get we kind of touched on this a little

1781
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: bit with that pass first run first question. I think

1782
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: it depends on who you ask in the building. And

1783
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a good thing, Like I

1784
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: don't know if there's gonna be a clear now when

1785
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: I say that, I guess I should walk that back

1786
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think Bill Bill O'Brien will ultimately

1787
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: bend to Bill Belichick because it's Bill Belichick's team. He's

1788
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: the head coach. It's his show, right, And I think

1789
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: Bill Brian's been pretty steadfast about that speaking to him.

1790
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: But I kind of interpreted that question is just stylistically

1791
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: like it's gonna look more modern than it did last year.

1792
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: There's going to be more modern concert that.

1793
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: But the point is is that are they going to

1794
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: try to win game seventeen to forty or are they

1795
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: going to open it up a little bit and be

1796
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: willing to win in a shootout?

1797
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: And that it's probably yeah, it'll default to Bill, But

1798
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: I think like the units themselves, I mean, the defense

1799
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: is going to be what it's been. That's not gonna change.

1800
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: But the offense there's more of these modern concepts, RPOs,

1801
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: more motion things like that, Like, yeah, you are going

1802
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: to see a lot more of that.

1803
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: I do think that I said it earlier. It all

1804
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: comes down to the success, right, Like if they're good,

1805
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 2: if they're good on offense and they're moving the ball

1806
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: and they're throwing the ball, well, I don't think he

1807
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: did it because he wanted to, but eventually Belichick obviously

1808
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 2: once Brady became Brady, like, they threw the ball plenty.

1809
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 2: They were a very aggressive passing team with Tom Brady,

1810
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: but of course they had Tom Brady. If Bill sees

1811
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: it and says, oh wow, that you know, I trust

1812
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: the offense to throw the ball forty five times and

1813
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: I think we can win this way now and all

1814
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: that type of stuff, then it's different. When I say

1815
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 2: forty five times, I don't mean because they're down by

1816
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: three touchdowns. I mean a real forty five times.

1817
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1818
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: I think it could be different, But until further notice,

1819
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 2: I still think that they're going to be a team

1820
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: that's going to try to squeeze every every second off

1821
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: the clock. Ball control possession, don't turn the football over offensively,

1822
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: kick a bunch of field goals on fourth.

1823
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with prioritizing not turning the ball over.

1824
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: There isn't anything wrong about but you obviously you need

1825
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: to be more aggressive than they've been.

1826
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would agree with that.

1827
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: All right, Devon is in New Hampshire, is back on

1828
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 2: the line. What's up, Devon? Hey? Devon? Ah Devin something

1829
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 2: with the phone? All right, we're coming to the end

1830
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: here anyway, So Alex, I'm going to clear the four

1831
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: for you to give your special teams a minute and

1832
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: maybe I'll interject, maybe I won't. What was your take

1833
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: today on the special teams?

1834
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the rookies are running away with both competitions,

1835
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: you know, Chad Chad Ryland and Nick Folk. They've both

1836
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: kind of had like three for four, four for five,

1837
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 1: those kind of days. But when Nick Folk kicks a

1838
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: forty five yard field goal, you're kind of holding on

1839
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: to the edge of your seat. When Chad Rowlan kicks

1840
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: a forty five yard field goal is halfway up the upright. Yeah,

1841
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: And look, Nick Folk has been a really good patriot.

1842
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: He has been saved, he absolutely did, but he's been

1843
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: He had a year the second half of last year.

1844
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: He's thirty eight years old, and we know they have

1845
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: the thing like get out a year two early versus

1846
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 1: a year too late on a player. That's especially true Kicker.

1847
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how rare it is that

1848
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: they found Nick Folk the way they did. People conveniently

1849
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: forget that Mike Nugent came in here and was kind

1850
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 1: of a mess nuge before they went to Nick Folk.

1851
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: I think that nickname was part of why he was

1852
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: so bad. But I just I are you willing to

1853
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: take the risk that the last half of last season

1854
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: was anaboration for Folk? And I mean he used a

1855
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: fourth round pick on the guy. I know some people

1856
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: have said maybe they keep two kickers. I think they'd

1857
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: like to in theory, But if you've seen what's going

1858
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: on in Dallas, Nick Folk would like I found the

1859
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys trade value?

1860
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, does Nick Fole have some trade value?

1861
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I think he would. I don't know that you're getting

1862
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: anything significant, but you get a six round pick for

1863
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: Nick Folk. I don't think that's unrealistic.

1864
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: And so the question is, and I I steer towards

1865
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: the side of rather keeping him on the practice squad

1866
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: than trade him for a sixth round pick. Yeah, but

1867
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: if you don't think that he's gonna you have a

1868
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: conversation with him. Nick, We're gonna go with Ryland, but

1869
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 2: we'd love to keep you on the practice squad. Just

1870
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 2: he's a rookie. We don't know if it's gonna how

1871
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna look in the regular season. Yet, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1872
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Are are you gonna just come back to the practice

1873
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 2: squad or are you gonna try to shop your your

1874
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: services elsewhere? You look at your options, and he says,

1875
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at my options, then you trade. It's

1876
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 2: pretty simple.

1877
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: Sure, well, and that's fair. I just think if you

1878
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: do expose him to the practiceqpot, I don't think so,

1879
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Nick Folk. His family still lives in Dallas, and he

1880
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: it's not like every day, but he goes back and

1881
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: forth between here and Dallas during the season. And if

1882
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: you can tell him he can go live at home

1883
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: for the whole season, make more money kick indoors, Like,

1884
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: why is he not gonna take that?

1885
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1886
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: So, and Dallas desperately needs a kicker, maybe, And you know,

1887
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what the kicking situation is in Houston

1888
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: or New Orleans, but these other places that are nearby

1889
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: that it's a much more like I don't think you

1890
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: have to worry about losing him to say Seattle, right right,

1891
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: that's an even worse commute, La. Maybe because he's from there,

1892
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: like he grew up there, and maybe he'd want to

1893
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: go back. But you don't have to worry about losing

1894
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: them to Miami. But there are teams that I think

1895
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: he would go to that need a kicker. That being said,

1896
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 1: it would be a real miss if they burn a

1897
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. If with how good Ryland looks, I

1898
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: think that would be a real disappointment if they burn

1899
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick and keep Nick Folk, especially if

1900
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: it's proven that the end of last year wasn't an aberration. Yeah,

1901
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: and he's he's kind of lost a step.

1902
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 2: My untrained eye on kicker is the one thing that

1903
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: I have noticed is what you pointed out about Folk's

1904
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: leg and Ryland's. It's it's night and day who has

1905
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: the bigger leg. Yeah, and with Folk, you're right, I

1906
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: mean anything over forty five year holding your breath like

1907
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 2: and the ball just dies off his foot around the

1908
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,560
Speaker 2: goal line, right. You just see the trajectory of the

1909
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: kick just kind of waning down. I would also say

1910
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 2: with with Rylan, he does have decent enough control on

1911
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: the ball. I may I make the jokes all the

1912
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 2: time about Justin Rorosser, like Justin Ross in training camp,

1913
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 2: could not he if the gold posts were double the size,

1914
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: he still would have been missing. Right, So it was

1915
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: that bad Chad Ryland's misses our NFL misses.

1916
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 7: Right.

1917
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: You're seeing him miss by like a couple of fractions

1918
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: of a of a foot, right, Like you're not seeing

1919
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: him miss by one hundred feet like with Justin Rows.

1920
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: And I'm exaggerating, but you know that that's.

1921
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: Was missing like the kicking. Yet he wasn't just missing

1922
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: the gold post. So yeah, I again, I think it's

1923
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: Ryland there and then a punter Bearinger has been outstanding

1924
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: and I think the big thing and this is what

1925
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: they love and Pop Douglas talked about it yesterday like

1926
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to read the ball off his foot

1927
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: and he's had so many putts muffed.

1928
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: There we go, That's that's what I was looking for.

1929
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: It's hard to read the ball off his foot. This

1930
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 2: is real punter day.

1931
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: Have you not seen how many punts he's had muffed?

1932
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: So far in his camp, I've seen I've seen people say, oh,

1933
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: it's the pay times, tune out during special teams.

1934
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: You shouldn't you cover the team. That's your jaw, you

1935
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: cover it for me. Some that's and I have used

1936
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: your lineman numbers at times because I can't watch all

1937
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: the one on ones at once, but you can't. It's

1938
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: not people say, oh, so the Patriots punt return is

1939
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: just suck. No, because they're not muffing Weightman's punts.

1940
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Marcus Jones doesn't suck.

1941
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Jones is not a bad punt returner. We

1942
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: know that. So now Weightman, I think easy got to

1943
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: keep on the practice squad and Pop Douglas kind of

1944
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday. There's value in having a lefty punter,

1945
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: so because it's different fielding punter, fielding punts from a

1946
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: lefty punter versus a righty punter. He talked about that

1947
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 1: last year when they brought Michael Pallardi in. So you

1948
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: keep Weightman on the practice squad, you have him around

1949
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: as your lefty option, you have him around as an

1950
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: emergency option for Baringer. That one's a lot easier. I

1951
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: don't know that there's gonna be a rush to sign

1952
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: Corless Weightman. Maybe into the season, you lose them if

1953
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt, but you should be able to get

1954
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad.

1955
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,919
Speaker 2: So the question that I have is then, with Weightman,

1956
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if we don't see Weightman in the preseason games,

1957
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 2: because might as well give Baringer the reps anymore.

1958
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see either of the

1959
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: veterans a lot. It wouldn't make sense to play either

1960
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: of them. You know essentially what Nick Folk is at

1961
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: this point, and we want to get into the practicead.

1962
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: You don't want Dallas seeing him knocking through three for three,

1963
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: four for four. I would guess it's gonna heavily be

1964
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,959
Speaker 1: the rookies in all three preseason games.

1965
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 2: So the one thing that I really like about it

1966
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: with the rookies, and this is one thing you're gonna

1967
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: you're gonna be surprised that I care about this. I

1968
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 2: like that they're attached at the hip. Those two go

1969
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 2: everywhere Togain, it's real, it's and and we gotta get

1970
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 2: Joe Cardona in that with them, But yeah, leave Joe, but.

1971
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: That you'll get there. He can't play favorites right now.

1972
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: That battery, right, that's gonna be the holder. You know,

1973
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: Berenger is gonna be Ryland's holder, and which he wasn't

1974
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: that Going back to the Senior Bowl, when you remember

1975
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: every year, I mean you obviously remember as well that

1976
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: those three guys, Cardona, the punter, and the kicker are

1977
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: like the three Amigos all season LOP. They're inseparable. And

1978
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to give away anything too much, but

1979
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: there might have been a little bit of a of

1980
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 2: a of a some friction with the with the three

1981
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: amigos at times last year, and I think it showed.

1982
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: It did show for Jake Bailey in particular. And I

1983
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: think the big thing with those three guys is, you know,

1984
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: they go in the stadium and they kick in the

1985
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: stadium sometimes and the rest of the team is out

1986
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: on the practice fields. We do our attendance and we're like, well,

1987
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 2: the kickers aren't here, but they're probably here. They're just

1988
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, in the stadium or whatever. That's a really

1989
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 2: important dynamic and I think there's something to be said

1990
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: for Ryland and Baringer going through this together like two

1991
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 2: rookie guys that are first time in the NFL, rookie players,

1992
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: young guys that are gonna have to learn to be

1993
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 2: pros and learn to how to go through it and

1994
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 2: along those lines. As much as I think that Nick

1995
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 2: Folk might have opportunities elsewhere, is he like the Brian

1996
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Hoyer to to those like someone's there might be a

1997
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: little bit of that somebody put in the chat when

1998
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: I said, you don't want Dallas to see him hitting

1999
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: him if you want him on the practice squad, if

2000
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 2: you want to trade him, you do want, Okay, but

2001
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: you do I do wonder how they Maybe it's just

2002
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: you know they're able to Cardona, Matthew Slater, like those

2003
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: guys are obviously veterans special teamers as well that are

2004
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 2: gonna be around a lot. But you do wonder if

2005
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 2: you want somebody that's there to kind of that's been

2006
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: through it, that's done.

2007
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 1: I think you hope that that's Cardona at this point,

2008
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: and Matthew Slater too to an extent, And you can

2009
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: even maybe say Corlus weightman if he's on the practice squad, but.

2010
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 2: The special teams think still worries me.

2011
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, we'll see what the coverage looks like

2012
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I think Jordan Helig's gonna be the UDFA,

2013
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: like the guy that makes the team. He's looked good

2014
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 1: in coverage, so and you know they they've overhauled that

2015
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: unit and we've seen a mere speed and Asaia Bolden

2016
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: rep there too, So like they have Chris Board, they

2017
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: have options there.

2018
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna I don't. I don't think the personnel

2019
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 2: is gonna be the problem. I'm still worried about the coaching.

2020
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: The coach, and that's fair, that's I just because well

2021
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 1: a I think it's just a weird dynamic.

2022
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: Like Joe Judge is the assistant head coach of the team. Yeah,

2023
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 2: but he's clearly the special teams coordinator at most of

2024
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: these practices, Like he's the one that's barking out the

2025
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: orders and leading the way on special teams. I don't

2026
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 2: know what's up with camp Cord, Like I.

2027
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Can Accord honestly say what you will about being worried

2028
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: about the coaching overall, and honestly when you say the coaching,

2029
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: where I agree with you on that is like the

2030
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: the game planning of it, the scheming up. I've said

2031
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: this about cam Acord before, Like, yeah, he was in

2032
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: over his head as a coordinator, coordinating the special teams,

2033
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 1: coming up with game plans. Read right. I still believe

2034
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 1: cam Accord is an amazing teacher and coaching is like

2035
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: there's a massive element of that that's just.

2036
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: And this is why let me teach. You want to

2037
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: be class half full? Yeah, this is why this dynamic

2038
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 2: should work out.

2039
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. Like, the one thing I

2040
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: am encouraged by is I think cam Accord is just

2041
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: back to teaching, which is excellent. How's Joe Judge going

2042
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: to be a special teams coordinator? Will see he's been

2043
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: He was good, but it's been a while. Yeah, but

2044
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 1: it is it is an objectively weird setup.

2045
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: I think that that's it's similar to the setup that

2046
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: they have on defense. Honestly, where the teacher, the presenter,

2047
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: the guy that can relate the best of the players

2048
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: is obviously Gerd Mayo, but the play caller Steve and

2049
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: on special teams. If that's how you want to sell

2050
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: me that camra Cord is going to be the guy

2051
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 2: that's in the trenches with these guys. It's teaching the techniques,

2052
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: that's doing all that stuff. And then Joe Judge is

2053
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 2: coming over the top with game plans and sidelines, you know,

2054
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: handling the sideline and play calling and all those types

2055
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 2: of things. And I suppose that I can be sold.

2056
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I think that's like, that's what it should be. I

2057
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: guess we'll see, we'll get a good idea of Thursday

2058
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: night what it looks like. But that's what it should be,

2059
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:26,480
Speaker 1: all right.

2060
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: You have three minutes on the Rookie Night.

2061
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Well, so this guy keeps commenting on YouTube saying he'll

2062
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: leave a zero star review if we don't talk about it.

2063
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: So now you have to leave a five star review.

2064
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Rookie numbers, and that guy better leave us a five.

2065
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: Better leave a five star review. So ninety nine is open.

2066
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: That's a big one, okay. Bryce Bearinger wore ninety nine

2067
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: in college? Would punters can wear ninety nine now? So

2068
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: kickers and punters can wear one to forty nine and

2069
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: ninety to ninety nine. Yeah, so Bearinger in ninety would

2070
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: be cool. Does Chad Ryland get ninety four? I think

2071
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: he were forty nine at Maryland and that's obviously taken.

2072
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting one, okay. So he's not going

2073
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 1: to be like a kicker number. Eat, well, that is

2074
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: a kicker number, now, Okay, most of the Like, I

2075
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: don't think they have anything open one through nineteen except

2076
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: obviously twelve. Nineteen's open. Yeah, that's it. Nineteen's open, that's it.

2077
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: So maybe one of them gets nineteen, but I feel

2078
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 1: like that could go. So they changed it now, so

2079
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: it's like one to forty nine for receivers, running backs, corners, safeties,

2080
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And the receivers are also in tight

2081
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: ends eighty to eighty nine. So like, I think you're

2082
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: gonna see, if not a receiver, maybe somebody in the secondary.

2083
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: I see Maphu in the teens.

2084
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 2: Weird.

2085
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him stick with fifty two because

2086
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: that would be a good number for him, But I

2087
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: see him in the teens. I really want to Mario

2088
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Douglas to get eighty. I really do. I want Troy

2089
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: You talked about you were in your old shielder like

2090
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: Troy Brown basically teaching to Mario Douglas how to beat

2091
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Troy Brown. Yeah, what better way to pass the baton

2092
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: than say here's my number. And if he's out there

2093
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: running the option routes in the slot and he's out

2094
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: there returning kicks. It's just gonna look right, isn't it.

2095
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong? Would just look right? And

2096
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: then I know seventeen's taken, But you have to say

2097
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: it when you have this conversation. Keep to Mario Douglas

2098
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: and Kashawn Booty the hell away from number seventeen. Booty

2099
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: wore seven in college, so he could actually take that

2100
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: like Scotty Washington has it now. But maybe things change.

2101
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what Booty's because eighty seven so call

2102
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: is eighty seven, so he's not gonna wear that. I

2103
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: think he might have worn one at one point, but

2104
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: that's obviously taken by another wide receiver. I would caution

2105
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: people this, you're gonna run out tomorrow and get the

2106
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: jersey when you see the rookie number. Sometimes guys change

2107
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: again before the start of seas because the're pretty much

2108
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: every number is taken, and after cutdown numbers will open up.

2109
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Like Christian Barmore was seventy his rookie preseason. That was

2110
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: gross and we were all very happy Adam switched to ninety's.

2111
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 2: Adam Butler se.

2112
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: It worked a little for Barmore needed to be in

2113
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 1: the nineties. Okay, Jack Jones went from thirty four to thirteen.

2114
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Some people would say that's a downgrade. I think he

2115
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: makes thirteen work upgrade. Well, it was a little weird

2116
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: at the time. Thirty four is a running back now

2117
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: it was a shout out to Bucky Jones.

2118
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 2: Shait.

2119
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: It was a little weird seeing thirteen as a corner

2120
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: right away, was it?

2121
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 7: Not?

2122
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I think he rocks it.

2123
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: But I do now, but initially it was weird. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: don't get nervous if guys get because there's so few

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Speaker 1: numbers available, guys are gonna get weird numbers. It's gonna happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So don't worry about the aesthetic right away. Booty and

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Speaker 1: eighty three would work because there's a little little de

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Speaker 1: Unbranches game a little bit. I just want Tomorrow Douglas

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Speaker 1: if I could get one number, even more than Christian

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Speaker 1: Goan Zalees and zero because he's not getting twenty four.

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Speaker 1: If I get one number, it's Gonzales and twenty four,

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Speaker 1: but Joshua bloodsoes here. If I get one pick, it's

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Speaker 1: Tomrio Douglas number eighty.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there's your rookie number minute, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna plead the fifth on the rookie numbers for now,

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Speaker 2: but I will I will echo what Alex said about

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Speaker 2: don't go run out and buy the jersey based off

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Speaker 2: the preseason number. Some of these guys I think are

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Speaker 2: going to change numbers once the regular season rolls around,

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Speaker 2: So don't lose your minds over the numbers that they

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Speaker 2: should come out.

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Speaker 1: They usually come out.

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Speaker 2: Like news, yeah before kicking.

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Speaker 1: By the day of the game, Yeah, I'm sure it's.

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Speaker 2: It's already all ready to go and pre planned upstairs.

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Speaker 1: So Kaishaw and Boody wore fifteen in high school. So

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Speaker 1: corlss waitmans here now. But if he doesn't make the team.

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Speaker 2: Right, those are some numbers. Those things will move around.

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Speaker 2: But we'll find out that by tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: At this monf forty I think forty three is open.

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Speaker 1: Kaisha on Booty Yeah no, I could see tomorrow. Douglas

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Speaker 1: weren't thirty.

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 1: It's weird, but because he was three in college, it

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Speaker 1: was weird, but I could see it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying for preseason I would hope it changes again,

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Speaker 1: but I could see him wearing thirty.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for us. I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate all the calls and the emails. We had a

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Speaker 2: very call heavy show today, which we really appreciate. And

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Speaker 2: Alex and I will be back next week. I think

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do Thursday. Next week. I'm gonna be in

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Speaker 2: Green Bay. Alex is gonna be here in studio to

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Speaker 2: host the show, So we're gonna be a little role reversal.

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Speaker 2: But it'd be cool because I'll be out there the

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Speaker 2: Joint practices and can tell you all what's been going

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Speaker 2: down in Green Bay. And then we'll do the same

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Speaker 2: thing in Nashville the following week as well, because I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be at Bowl Yay, so we'll be out there

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Speaker 2: at Joint practices. Also, we'll anchor it from here and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you that Thanks bye.

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