Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 1: Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. My name is Lisa,
Speaker 1: my name is Kara, and welcome to our podcast about
Speaker 1: the greatest television show that has ever been on television,
Speaker 1: Law and Order SVU. We talk an episode we Talked
Speaker 1: the True Crimates based on we talked to a special guest.
Speaker 1: We got a fun one today and first we chat
Speaker 1: and catch up. And it has been a wild little
Speaker 1: bit of time since we've talked, because it is.
Speaker 2: But what happens is every time, it's like with life,
Speaker 2: I think of something like, ugh, I gotta talk about
Speaker 2: it on the intro, and then I don't write it
Speaker 2: down because I think I'll remember it, and then of
Speaker 2: course I don't remember it, Like why it's delusion over
Speaker 2: and over again for decades, like you're not going to
Speaker 2: remember it.
Speaker 1: And just so you guys know, we want to keep
Speaker 1: things authentic for you. So I will ask Lisa something
Speaker 1: and she'll be like, let me tell you. On the
Speaker 1: pod because she wants you guys to hear me react
Speaker 1: because if she tells me something like overtext or on
Speaker 1: the phone, like we're not going to repeat it like
Speaker 1: a reality show on the intro, so that I have
Speaker 1: to like fake my reaction to it.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: So now this is like truly where we catch up
Speaker 1: and I have not. Yesterday we recorded for three hours
Speaker 1: and I couldn't be like, how was your special taping?
Speaker 1: Like I literally, I mean obviously we checked in about that,
Speaker 1: but I haven't heard a lot of the details.
Speaker 2: Wow, No, there was one wild story and there's like
Speaker 2: a photo proof, and so I wanted to get your
Speaker 2: reaction live for the listeners.
Speaker 1: And I also literally just yesterday I forgot Sydney posted
Speaker 1: you walking out on stage four it and I hadn't
Speaker 1: even seen a full of the outfit. Well yeah, of
Speaker 1: course she kept being like can I post it? Can
Speaker 1: I post it? And I ignored her and didn't respond
Speaker 1: for well, she finally went ahead, and thank god, because
Speaker 1: like I had no idea what the look was because
Speaker 1: I saw a few pictures, but I could tell that
Speaker 1: it wasn't the full look like you had taken something
Speaker 1: off or like, wow, you were well we'll fully get
Speaker 1: into that.
Speaker 2: But also I went to Michelle Buteau's taping that like
Speaker 2: two days later at Radio City, and then the next
Speaker 2: day we were like catching up on the phone. No
Speaker 2: big deal, but I was like, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: And she goes truly dead inside, I feel nothing. I'm
Speaker 2: like I felt the same way. Oh my god. Really afterwards,
Speaker 2: I felt nothing, and everyone obviously wanted to have really
Speaker 2: kind reactions, and I was just like, truly, I would
Speaker 2: sit in.
Speaker 1: A dark, cold room alone right now.
Speaker 2: I need it, Like I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: but it felt reassuring that someone else also.
Speaker 1: I think it's because you just like gave it all
Speaker 1: out there and you just had nothing left. How did
Speaker 1: you feel the day after your wedding?
Speaker 2: Hopefully not nothing, but I was just wondering because that's
Speaker 2: what I related to, because there was like flowers. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Yes, I well, I cried.
Speaker 1: I was so sad it was over because I planned
Speaker 1: it all myself, like I spent so long working on it.
Speaker 1: I'm like a bitch when things are over. Rosi's last
Speaker 1: day of school was yesterday, and I was like crying
Speaker 1: for her, like, you know, she doesn't even give a shit,
Speaker 1: and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh school, oh a bitch that way I thought you
Speaker 2: like screamed at a teacher.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no no. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: like I just I get sad when things are over.
Speaker 1: I used to cry when my recitals were over, even
Speaker 1: though I was like gonna do dance again in the fall.
Speaker 1: Like I just was like always sad when I used
Speaker 1: to cry when TV shows would end. Every time I
Speaker 1: watched a series finale, I would like die. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know when things end. I get very I
Speaker 1: mean that doesn't feel like that's a revolutionary, but I'm
Speaker 1: I think, like I get it. I get it. Like
Speaker 1: also because I just feel like that's how you are,
Speaker 1: Like you just fucking probably gave it all for two
Speaker 1: full shows and then you were like give me, get me, Like,
Speaker 1: let me just like be in a room, you know,
Speaker 1: with like my laptop and some Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I'll tell you the story that I've
Speaker 2: been waiting to tell you.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I put a list of stylists together, I send it
Speaker 2: to the production company. They each other like this one
Speaker 2: dude said he wants he's so interested and he wants
Speaker 2: to make you a custom piece with this designer he
Speaker 2: works with I. Of course, I've been following this guy
Speaker 2: for years. I go, I would love to work with him.
Speaker 2: I would love a custom piece. Amazing. So I go
Speaker 2: to the first meeting and there's no suspicions for me
Speaker 2: because I've seen their resume, Like I see the stuff
Speaker 2: that they have made it done, so I couldn't have
Speaker 2: ever assumed that they were full blown grifters.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, literally, my heart is seizing right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I have been talking to you through
Speaker 1: fitting after fitting, and now I can't I okay, go.
Speaker 1: So the first thing they bring out a rack.
Speaker 2: We go through it while the guy's drawing, and I'm
Speaker 2: saying what I like, what I don't like. The fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is this guy he's an archivist. He's
Speaker 2: not a stylist, and he needs to take it off
Speaker 2: of his resume. We put him on do not workless
Speaker 2: all over town at this point, and I'm gonna tag
Speaker 2: him because he doesn't seem ashamed of his work. I
Speaker 2: can't wait for you to see this photo. So I
Speaker 2: am also a procrastinator. I know working with artists like
Speaker 2: I believe in them and the process, so I just
Speaker 2: kept trusting it. Like pieces weren't ready, but I was
Speaker 2: like okay. And then the issues started to arise when
Speaker 2: I was like, so, what kind of tights? And they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, day of, We'll just try a bunch
Speaker 2: of tights on at the set. And I was like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, there's no day of, Like I need to
Speaker 2: be relaxed, shill like, no day of, and they kept
Speaker 2: I go, no, Friday is the deadline. I tape Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Friday is the deadline. I need my full outfit done.
Speaker 2: And then it's weird, you're a stylist, but like I'm
Speaker 2: running around getting the shoes, I'm getting the stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: like running around getting bodysuits, and I'm like, what is
Speaker 2: going on? So then Julia comes down to the second
Speaker 2: or the third to last fitting and we make it
Speaker 2: clear Friday is the final day. Get your shit done.
Speaker 2: I show up Friday, the designer is hours late. We're
Speaker 2: like wasting all this time. And then the final moment
Speaker 2: hits me that this is all a mess is our
Speaker 2: friend Sydney comes with because she's doing seth Meyers, So
Speaker 2: I go, why don't you check the racks. Maybe you'll
Speaker 2: find like a fun designer outfit. She asks for a
Speaker 2: full length mirror. He doesn't have one. The stylist does
Speaker 2: not have a full length mirror. And there are you meeting?
Speaker 1: Are you like at his place of business, like his studio.
Speaker 1: He's a NEPO.
Speaker 2: His mom owns a two story home on the water
Speaker 2: in Williamsburg. Here we go, there we go. The amount
Speaker 2: of times he name dropped I Spice and Lena Dunham.
Speaker 2: I like, I wish I got a dollar for every
Speaker 2: time he said those two people's names. So there's a
Speaker 2: photo of my face. At the final fitting, the designer
Speaker 2: lost all the buttons. Everything is handstitch. The sleeves aren't done,
Speaker 2: the buttons aren't done. It's not pressed. I keep telling him.
Speaker 2: I go, my arms are tight. I can't move. They're like,
Speaker 2: it'll be fine. I go no, no, Like I have to
Speaker 2: feel free. I have to move my arms. I'm doing
Speaker 2: stand up comedy. There was also like mesh in the
Speaker 2: back and Julia goes, we can see the tights through
Speaker 2: the mesh.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? Oh, it doesn't matter, no
Speaker 1: one we'll see that.
Speaker 2: And she takes them aside and has to like fully
Speaker 2: like punish them, like being like like how you're play
Speaker 2: on that, and they're like, don't worry, everything will be done.
Speaker 2: But I'm falling apart my specials. In four days, I
Speaker 2: have no outfit, nothing is done. He's lost the buttons
Speaker 2: and they're gaslighting me, and I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: So the EP hires a stylist Friday night, a different one.
Speaker 2: I woke up Saturday at six in the morning because
Speaker 2: I was so stress stressed. At eight am, I get
Speaker 2: a deck from her, and it's not exactly what I want,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, okay, okay, six thirty pm. We have
Speaker 2: a fitting clothes everywhere. The second outfit I put on
Speaker 2: is the outfit I ended up wearing. She nailed it,
Speaker 2: killed it. The moment she took out a bag of
Speaker 2: safety pins. I go, this is a professional, like a
Speaker 2: professional attention to detail, moving stuff, trying so like an act.
Speaker 2: She's been in the business for twenty five years, she's
Speaker 2: worked in TV, is a daily stylist for many celebrities,
Speaker 2: like a legit person, and it felt so comforting to
Speaker 2: just be with a professional, and this outfit was more
Speaker 2: like just me.
Speaker 1: But elevated instead of to costume.
Speaker 2: But also she looked at the photos that was showing
Speaker 2: her and she goes, that's a cheap fabric. That's not
Speaker 2: real silk. They lied to you. But also, why would
Speaker 2: you wear that silk for a live performance. You would
Speaker 2: sweat through it like no actual person would do it.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they realized the magnitude of this moment.
Speaker 2: I think they picked other jobs over this one and
Speaker 2: focused on that. They weren't listening. They did not care,
Speaker 2: They did not care about me, the show, the client.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 2: For the thousands of dollars that they were getting paid,
Speaker 2: I could have bought a Versachi outfit. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 2: now I'm going to show you the sketch to what
Speaker 2: I received. Are we gonna be able to post this?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to tab that they don't see
Speaker 2: a stake. Okay, okay, if I'm gonna, oh, they'll be tiktoks.
Speaker 2: I just this is okay case so you could take
Speaker 2: your mic off too. So this is sketch to final outfit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is completely insane. And then me,
Speaker 1: this is what I got.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god, I'm gonna show you the puckering,
Speaker 2: but you also went to look at the fitting. Look
Speaker 2: at this, and it's like, this is like Prouday, is
Speaker 2: like a high school student could do. Like that's in
Speaker 2: a fashion class.
Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna say. I was like, I
Speaker 5: was gonna say, this looks like something somebody wore when
Speaker 5: I was in Once Upon a Mattress.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah. Everyone keeps saying it's like what you would
Speaker 2: wear to, you know, the Wizard's school in Wicked.
Speaker 1: And I don't think of you as like a big sweater,
Speaker 1: but she's right, like even a little bit of like
Speaker 1: pitt sweat. If you raised your arm, it would have which,
Speaker 1: by the way, they made it so you couldn't raise
Speaker 1: your arm. Maybe that was part of the plan. Fuck dude, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sorry. This is probably annoying if you're listening.
Speaker 1: So they made it in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: So Friday they like, is the fitting, Nothing is ready.
Speaker 2: And then by Saturday night I had a dress and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, so we've been doing fittings for over
Speaker 2: a month. You made this outfit in a day and
Speaker 2: it looks like shit, we know you didn't go to
Speaker 2: the special button person. You said you were supposed to
Speaker 2: go to and basically the designer he's twenty one, like
Speaker 2: it was the stylus job to keep him on track
Speaker 2: or find plan B or just.
Speaker 1: Work like, get what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, honestly, everyone said that I handled it
Speaker 2: pretty good, and our girl Candace like killed it on
Speaker 2: hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: I felt like so pretty. This is like me on
Speaker 1: the trial. Oh yeah, your makeup and hair looked gorgeous.
Speaker 2: But this is my face at the final fitting, Lisa,
Speaker 2: this is a blessing, Like thank God, Like nothing sewn,
Speaker 2: nothing ready, everything handstitched. So what the what the lady
Speaker 2: got you?
Speaker 1: The new woman like was that like that was like
Speaker 1: ready to wear stuff or she had something made for you. No,
Speaker 1: there was no way. So right, it was like a
Speaker 1: Zara top.
Speaker 2: The leather jacket was like expensive, and then the skirt
Speaker 2: was this brand called Aqua. I work out pants from them,
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, adda is it? They have dresses that
Speaker 2: blew me that I've cried on and it was blooming yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But Lise, that either your face you look like
Speaker 5: you're on the verge of tears.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look so down.
Speaker 1: But I got to give it to you, because I
Speaker 1: think I've seen you get more mad at like hotel
Speaker 1: employees that don't let us check in on top like early.
Speaker 1: So the fact that somebody could have ruined this moment
Speaker 1: that you've truly been working for for fifteen years and
Speaker 1: you only look like that in that photo is actually
Speaker 1: surprising to me.
Speaker 2: Like, no, because I kept saying I had mental breakdowns,
Speaker 2: and Sydney kept going, you really kept it together.
Speaker 1: Julia's like I would be in a all crying and
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just trusted the people, and then once Saturday happened,
Speaker 2: it was just like so calm. But Saturday morning, I
Speaker 2: was just buying like thousands of dollars of dresses, paying
Speaker 2: for like expedited shipping, returned all of them obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, but I just was, oh my god, nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe you did not text.
Speaker 2: Me about any of that. I don't know well, also
Speaker 2: no apologies, no knowledgement, and basically did.
Speaker 1: You leave it with them where you like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing your bullshit on my thing, bye forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never reached all the EP because my thing
Speaker 2: was like I also don't want to pay them and
Speaker 2: so that's a different thing, Like I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll be able to get out.
Speaker 1: Of that or not, but you absolutely will not pay them.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what product, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what if there was a cont like I don't know,
Speaker 2: but they did not deliver it, so they're dealing with it.
Speaker 2: But I just didn't want to stress, like I just
Speaker 2: it was important for me to keep it chill because
Speaker 2: of me. But then thinking about the two of them
Speaker 2: day of, they're so chaotic, like like this woman was
Speaker 2: shooshing me picking the tank like everything mattered. She has
Speaker 2: had static spray, you know, like a real professional, And
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine them being there.
Speaker 1: They did not care about me. They did not care.
Speaker 2: And he chose to do a music video and he
Speaker 2: made twelve suits for this music video and obviously it's
Speaker 2: a famous person's music video.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you guys chose the wrong thing, like
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: But oh, I'm gonna make a full TikTok, you know
Speaker 2: the noises where it's like like whatever versus what I got? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell like if you're not embarrassed, then
Speaker 2: I'll fully tag you and all of it. How about
Speaker 2: that you should write what I paid hundreds of dollars
Speaker 2: for and had five fittings and spent hours of my
Speaker 2: life collaborating draw on versus what I got. And he
Speaker 2: made it out like yeah, clear to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're not even paying my full rate and it's like yeah, no.
Speaker 1: One is like I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: But the minute you said NEPO, it all became clear.
Speaker 2: But a liar like so his uh, his grandfather is
Speaker 2: an artist that has a mural at the train stop
Speaker 2: outside of the MoMA. Wow, but he kept talking about
Speaker 2: how poor he was. I should have obviously known that's
Speaker 2: an EPO. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: It's to work.
Speaker 2: And then it was just I should have my spidy
Speaker 2: senses should have gone out sooner.
Speaker 1: But I was trusting the process. But thank god.
Speaker 2: And then everyone that was there was just such a
Speaker 2: professional and sooga at their job.
Speaker 1: I really was so chill.
Speaker 2: I didn't have to think about anything because everyone just
Speaker 2: nailed it in like such huge ways. And also the director,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Tom sick, I do, Okay,
Speaker 2: So he moved to Florida. I've never seen someone look
Speaker 2: hotter after they moved to Florida. He moved to Florida,
Speaker 2: he got married and had a kid and his family
Speaker 2: was down there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but he can kind of go anywhere. He
Speaker 1: just travels.
Speaker 2: He's working on an HBO show now, Like it's fine,
Speaker 2: but everyone wanted to fuck him. It was wild. At
Speaker 2: the after party, everyone kept being like, who is that?
Speaker 2: He is married, but I've just never seen Florida give
Speaker 2: someone a glow up like him.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just needed a little vitamin D you know,
Speaker 1: he just needed like a little bit of sun. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, fine, that is so fucking funny. That
Speaker 1: is so funny. I'm so excited. I can't wait. Obviously,
Speaker 1: everybody keep your ears and eyes and everywhere.
Speaker 2: That came and it just felt like, yeah, the two
Speaker 2: shows were so I know, it was the classic, Like
Speaker 2: the eight o'clock I got everything I needed, And then
Speaker 2: ten o'clock was like fun, loose, yeah and fun, and.
Speaker 1: You'll just edit together a mix of the of the
Speaker 1: stuff you need and the loose. Yeah, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: the first cut this week.
Speaker 2: Ah. And then but I haven't watched the full two
Speaker 2: hour because that's a nightmare. I'd rather watch the cut
Speaker 2: and then go back and like see what I need
Speaker 2: to change. I'm like, I can't watch these blind I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't watch anything like a man puts out my clips,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to watch anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You have to let me watch a cut. I want
Speaker 2: to watch a cut. Can I watch a cut?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: If you want to, I can't. Let me watch one
Speaker 2: on Adult Flight. So that was like the disaster, and
Speaker 2: then everything else was just great. You know, our friend
Speaker 2: mind Tucker was there taking pics and she's great. But also,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I should be spreading Michelle's
Speaker 2: news like that, but it's just hard not to be
Speaker 2: a straight size because she also is getting a custom
Speaker 2: look made by a very famous designer I'm not going
Speaker 2: to say his name. Two weeks before her special at
Speaker 2: Radio City, he backed out and was like, sorry, I
Speaker 2: can't do it, and she had to get a customed.
Speaker 2: She looked incredible. The designer that ended up doing her look,
Speaker 2: she looks perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Perfect. I literally wrote on her Instagram, like I texted
Speaker 1: her after a thing and she was like, she said
Speaker 1: it was good, but like I was like on her
Speaker 1: Instagram yesterday her hair looked fucking incredible, incredible. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a hair girl and I just fucking was like
Speaker 1: this hair out of this world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, I can't believe you can
Speaker 2: be as successful as her be at Radio City and
Speaker 2: still get fucked over in this weird.
Speaker 1: Way, haven't you? And I talked about this many times.
Speaker 1: Most people are bad at their jobs. Like I think
Speaker 1: that you're like lucky when you encounter people that are
Speaker 1: good at their jobs. Like I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are bad at their fucking jobs. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of faked so that you make it. I know people
Speaker 1: that are executives that don't have a fucking brain in
Speaker 1: their head, but they knew how to yes the right
Speaker 1: people and like get up there, you know, Like it's just,
Speaker 1: but it is concerning when it's like someone that actually
Speaker 1: produces a product like fashion, because you're like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: seen it.
Speaker 2: A good job. Yeah yeah, it was wild. But now
Speaker 2: at one point though, like after that fitting, we actually
Speaker 2: looks like on the phone doing the you know, crisis
Speaker 2: management with EP trying to hire someone new, and I
Speaker 2: was just like Olivia poping for you, having a drink
Speaker 2: at the bar, and then we ended up like having
Speaker 2: some drinks, eating whatever, and then by the end of
Speaker 2: the night, I was laughing so hard. I was crying
Speaker 2: on a street corner because it was and yeah, it
Speaker 2: ended up. You know, it's just gonna be a fun
Speaker 2: I feel everything went well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it was probably like just a wave
Speaker 1: of adrenaline, like you were spent after but then by
Speaker 1: the time you had a little bit of fun with
Speaker 1: your friends and like loosened up again, you were like,
Speaker 1: this is the best night of my life, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was so tired. I went to bed
Speaker 2: at ten pm that night because I canceled my shows.
Speaker 2: I had three shows that night. I was like, honestly,
Speaker 2: I can't even the night after no, that Friday, like
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: This was like a long Friday. Oh oh, the Friday
Speaker 1: of the fucking disaster. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I uh.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can't, I can't do anything.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I actually need to just.
Speaker 2: Go to bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I did.
Speaker 2: But you know, it is one of those things where
Speaker 2: I felt over prepared that I wasn't really stressed.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know these goddamn jokes. I've been doing
Speaker 1: them for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, over a.
Speaker 1: Decade, yeah yeah, and like it's fine.
Speaker 2: Oh and I'd like to make an announcement to everyone
Speaker 2: that came to the New Orleans shows, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: obsessed with you. Because of the Saturday ten PM show,
Speaker 2: the venue is changing their frozen espresso martini recipe because
Speaker 2: you guys were such menaces, so what congratulations? You were
Speaker 2: so drunk they had to change the recipe of their
Speaker 2: in house drink.
Speaker 1: What's in it? I mean I had one and I
Speaker 1: was tipsy, Like it was good. No, It's like there's
Speaker 1: this place called Alta near NYU, like university place in
Speaker 1: like tenth or something, okay, and it's like it's delicious.
Speaker 1: It's like Spanish tapas. They're seeing Angria. I think they
Speaker 1: put vodka in it, which is like not a Sangria thing.
Speaker 1: I don't I can't say for sure. If you have two,
Speaker 1: you're like blacked out and they're so beautiful. They come
Speaker 1: in like a big tall wineglass and the color is
Speaker 1: like this light purple, like they're gorgeous. You have two,
Speaker 1: and I've like been on the street being like what's that?
Speaker 1: Like just randomly talking to fuck that people, Like after
Speaker 1: two of them like you get absolutely blacked from them.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. The recipe.
Speaker 1: Could be vodka. I'm extra vodka. Maybe there's grain in
Speaker 1: their espresso Martini's. That's crazy. I love you making history
Speaker 1: in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Well because one girl, and I'm sure you're listening, because
Speaker 2: you told me eight hundred times that you listen to
Speaker 2: the podcast. But in the middle of the show front row,
Speaker 2: I'm doing jokes, and she just kept heckling, going, I
Speaker 2: love your podcast.
Speaker 1: I fall asleep to your podcast. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: like very flattering. But guys, time and place like, let's
Speaker 1: all just take a look around and do a time
Speaker 1: and place check.
Speaker 2: Then her friends were wasted, and then I guess her
Speaker 2: friends were puking outside of the oh the dumpsters, but
Speaker 2: the staff of the venue was taking out the trash
Speaker 2: and they didn't see her there and they accidentally heaved
Speaker 2: the trash into the puking girl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck? What a night? Yeah, this mom
Speaker 2: daughter duo was out of control. I mean, people were
Speaker 2: out of control.
Speaker 1: I love the mom daughter duos that come to our shows.
Speaker 1: They're fun. They are fun. My mom could now.
Speaker 2: Not when they're wasted we're already at twenty. I saw
Speaker 2: Spike Lee on my street. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: already told you that he was scouting. There was all
Speaker 2: this crew, and then a few days later I saw
Speaker 2: him again filming, so obviously they were out and about,
Speaker 2: but he was crossing the street as I was dropping
Speaker 2: off my laundry and I just smiled really big and
Speaker 2: gave him a peace sign, and he nodded and smiled. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really so fun, a little fun little interaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's so little, Yeah he looks he looks like
Speaker 1: a tiny man. Can you please talk?
Speaker 2: I've really talked for so long, but thank you for
Speaker 2: going on that journey.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's been twenty minutes. I wanna we should wrap
Speaker 1: up and get going to the episode. I do just
Speaker 1: wanna please say. I do just want to say that
Speaker 1: I lost a very dear friend of mine last week.
Speaker 1: And he's somebody who I have talked about on this
Speaker 1: podcast a lot. His name is Jed. He was my
Speaker 1: dear friend from third grade. We were both biggest gossip
Speaker 1: in high school together. He sold merch at our first
Speaker 1: LA show. He was one of my biggest supporters and
Speaker 1: Lisa's biggest supporters. He loved our podcast and he supported
Speaker 1: me and everything I did. And yeah, we he had
Speaker 1: a you know, an aggressive form of cancer that came
Speaker 1: on really fast, and we thought we had more time
Speaker 1: with him. So I guess I'm not really trying. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give him a shout out because I
Speaker 1: feel like people have heard me talk about him on
Speaker 1: the podcast before.
Speaker 2: But also just like.
Speaker 1: Hug your friends and tell him you love him, because
Speaker 1: you just never know when you won't be able to anymore.
Speaker 1: And I don't to bring it down because we had
Speaker 1: a really funny conversation about your fashion blunder.
Speaker 2: But no, and it's not I mean, it's really sad,
Speaker 2: but I think thinking about Jeed as a person is joyful.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was.
Speaker 2: Really funny, really like down to gossip, like down to
Speaker 2: talk shit. He loved TV, he loved pop culture, drag
Speaker 2: race so much, and he loved you so much. And
Speaker 2: it was a joy that I got to meet him.
Speaker 2: Yeah I can text, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving in fifteen minutes basically for the service to
Speaker 1: fly back home for the service. And do you want
Speaker 1: to mention the Northwestern Fund And if anybody is interested
Speaker 1: in making a donation on his behalf. His family is
Speaker 1: giving money to the Destined Lab, which is at Northwestern
Speaker 1: where he attended and is very close to where Lisa
Speaker 1: is from, and it supports programs for students from modest
Speaker 1: backgrounds at Northwestern. So I think if you want to
Speaker 1: give to that, you just put under the fun name
Speaker 1: in honor of Jed Melick M E. L ic K
Speaker 1: and I can we can put that in the show
Speaker 1: notes for you guys, if you're interested. But yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2: And and you said that the funeral today er tomorrow
Speaker 2: will have like a dance party at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be a big dance party. And they
Speaker 1: just asked me last night if I could MC the
Speaker 1: after party, so that will be and are you and
Speaker 1: I will, And I have to say, it's not the
Speaker 1: first time ID of a memorial, So I guess I'm
Speaker 1: available for all of your two afterlife needs.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: One of your friends who when she gets drunk, repeats
Speaker 2: herself over and over when we were all together once,
Speaker 2: she just kept praising your memorial MC skills over and
Speaker 2: over again.
Speaker 1: She listens to the pod and she knows who she is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jed loved SVU. He was always writing me being
Speaker 1: like I was looking back at our old texts and
Speaker 1: he was like, what are we doing with Rowlins? I mean,
Speaker 1: are they bringing her back? Like we had thoughts and opinions,
Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to give him a big.
Speaker 2: Well And the prom photo you posted, I have seen that.
Speaker 1: I've heard Jessica mcclin talk baby. We weren't dates. We
Speaker 1: just took a picture together like that was just my party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just I just wanted to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to Jed and thank you guys for those
Speaker 1: of you that have like reached out to me about it.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you have been sending me
Speaker 1: messages and comments and stuff, but I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: And now let's get on with the show. We have
Speaker 1: a great show, we have a great guest, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be a fun one as usual. That's messed
Speaker 1: up live dot com to get merch. We've got those
Speaker 1: do you have Children Detective t shirts are up. We've
Speaker 1: got Lisa shows you can find on the Lisa's website link.
Speaker 1: And yeah, let's get started.
Speaker 2: All right. We're here doing Spring Awakening, which is also
Speaker 2: a musical, so I do find this weird. Do you
Speaker 2: have any thoughts about that? Well?
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a Warren Light, right or
Speaker 1: is it not? Yes day it's fifteen, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's Warren. It's definitely on purpose because that was such
Speaker 1: a fucking hot musical.
Speaker 2: But is there a parallel to the musical? Like maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I guess there Isn't there an abortion?
Speaker 1: You would have to tell me because I actually have
Speaker 1: never seen Spring Awakening and I don't know a thing
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, time is crazy, and I did see this
Speaker 2: when I was twenty years old, so sixteen years ago
Speaker 2: I saw Spring Awakening. But I feel like there's an
Speaker 2: abortion and or baby thing. Maybe that's the connection, or
Speaker 2: maybe there's no connection, But you're right knowing Warren Light,
Speaker 2: there's got to be something. So anyone that DM DM
Speaker 2: okay season fifteen, episode twenty four or twenty three on Hulu.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell you, guys. So it starts with kids
Speaker 2: playing and we see in here you know, click click click,
Speaker 2: and now we are seeing the kids through a camera
Speaker 2: lens and Amara walks over and it's a pedophile from
Speaker 2: a previous episode who ended up he did have a
Speaker 2: kill torture molest room, but absolutely DNA was found.
Speaker 1: Like he didn't he thought about being a pedophile.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be a pedophile, but he didn't actually
Speaker 2: do anything, so he never got in trouble. I think the.
Speaker 1: Episode is literally called thought criminal right, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, can we be arrested just for our fantasies
Speaker 1: and our thoughts? And it was like I feel like
Speaker 1: we covered it, no because we want to get that guy.
Speaker 2: But why have I talked about it? Or do I
Speaker 2: just watch it because it is a show I watch.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I've seen it though I've seen it
Speaker 2: a few times, so what's that? Yeah? But whatever, But
Speaker 2: the torture room is fucked up, but he's never physically
Speaker 2: done anything.
Speaker 1: But he is a known pedo who admits to it.
Speaker 2: But you can't, Like you can't if someone's just thinking
Speaker 2: about being a pedophile.
Speaker 1: I guess there is no law. Thought yeah criminal.
Speaker 2: Hello. So anyways, Amorrow walks over and is like, get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here, and the pedos like this
Speaker 2: is a public sidewalk detective fuck off. And so there's
Speaker 2: a thing and he takes a photo of Amorrow, and
Speaker 2: that sets Tomorrow off like he's the fucking hulk. He
Speaker 2: starts beating the shit out of this dude on the ground,
Speaker 2: continuous punching like the camera's obviously broken, pieces everywhere, and
Speaker 2: the guy is being taken out on a stretcher with
Speaker 2: next support and Tomorrow is arrested, hands behind his back,
Speaker 2: into the back of a car, arrested. And this episode
Speaker 2: actually has so many connections to all these other episodes,
Speaker 2: this can truly be the center of a web of brainstorming. Yes,
Speaker 2: if you really wanted to get crazy, this is like
Speaker 2: twenty episodes converge Jack Frost. Is that his name? No,
Speaker 2: James Frost, Josh Frost, Mark Frost, right, not Mark Frot.
Speaker 2: That's the poem with the.
Speaker 1: Poem with the two two diverged.
Speaker 2: In a wood, Robert Frost Robert.
Speaker 1: I'm like Mark. I was thinking Mark Twain, probably.
Speaker 2: Robert. So Pipa Cox is up there and she's working
Speaker 2: on the end. We all know Pippa Cox. The former
Speaker 2: guests also helped me get tickets to a Juliet We'll
Speaker 2: never forget. And I think either just got engaged or
Speaker 2: married to her girlfriend there was like a people.
Speaker 1: There was like people, there was a people there. We
Speaker 1: do follow her. We're big Pippacocks fans. Yes, congrats Jessica.
Speaker 2: Yes. And so she's she's up there working and there's
Speaker 2: a custody of baby boy Dough And if you remember
Speaker 2: that episode, it's one of the babies she saved. It
Speaker 2: was the foster care Russian kid. The mom gave him
Speaker 2: away to pedophiles. Rosanna arcuts in it and a.
Speaker 1: Guy in a wheelchair The Great we covered it like
Speaker 1: in the last few months. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's the baby Dough and Benson's in the galley watching.
Speaker 2: She's very connected and it's iconic family Court judge Ruth
Speaker 2: Linden played by Jane Howdie show. That's a fun I
Speaker 2: think kudoshell is how you say it, that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: And she is so good, like she's in Only Murders
Speaker 1: in the Building is like her recent I would say,
Speaker 1: claim to fame. But I saw her in what is
Speaker 1: that Tony Award winning play? Is it called The Humans?
Speaker 1: I think it was called The Humans. I saw it
Speaker 1: in La and she came like the I think most
Speaker 1: of the Broadway cast came to do it in La
Speaker 1: and she was She's so excellent.
Speaker 2: She's really great. Yeah, I would love to see her
Speaker 2: on the stage. So she's a up set.
Speaker 1: And I saw her in A Dolls House Part two
Speaker 1: with Laurie metcalf Wow, It's like, I go to so
Speaker 1: much figure but.
Speaker 2: I really don't. Oh, it was so good. I know.
Speaker 2: Well not only so Laurie Metcalf is in Horace and Pte.
Speaker 2: But no one got some meeter her because she came
Speaker 2: on the one Monday, like on a Monday when she
Speaker 2: was off and filmed this like full thirty to forty
Speaker 2: minute monologue. The whole episode is just a monologue of her,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I memorizing So I just can't
Speaker 2: believe memorizing all of that, doing that on your theater
Speaker 2: day off and then still doing eight more shows of
Speaker 2: a Doll's House.
Speaker 1: She's so tough. I mean, she's like, I think one
Speaker 1: of our best, she's the best, Like getting that show
Speaker 1: getting on is like my favorite? Why can't Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: yeah good.
Speaker 2: We're lucky to have hery right, Okay, So, like I said,
Speaker 2: this episode is gonna have a lot of these moments.
Speaker 2: There's so many yeah things happening. So anyways, the judge
Speaker 2: is very upset. I that this is the best we
Speaker 2: can do for baby boy Dough. And now we cut
Speaker 2: to tomorrow. He's being mugshotted. He's bleeding from his head.
Speaker 2: He wants a call, but they're like, you're getting processed. Okay,
Speaker 2: now we're back in court. Benson approaches Papa Cocks and
Speaker 2: she wants to visit the baby.
Speaker 1: The baby, and Pippa is down with that.
Speaker 2: Then Chantal from Social Services takes over and she's wearing
Speaker 2: a hot pink suit and I feel like she is
Speaker 2: an enemy because is she not the sho that invests?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's our enemy, and that she's the one that
Speaker 1: makes Benson's life a living fucking hell when she's like
Speaker 1: adopting Noah and is always like why aren't you around
Speaker 1: constantly like you should be available, you should be in
Speaker 1: this hospital, and it's like, you know what she does,
Speaker 1: she found this fucking baby, And Okay, I knew that
Speaker 1: there was an air about her that I hated, and
Speaker 1: now I know it because she did wear a hot
Speaker 1: pink suit, but I hate it.
Speaker 2: She's like, what's the sergeant's interest in the baby?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And now we're back to Tomorrow, and finally Tomorrow gets
Speaker 2: his phone call and we see Rollins arriving. That was
Speaker 2: his phone call, and they're gripping the bars face to face.
Speaker 2: This is, you know, a moment, and they're they're planning,
Speaker 2: don't talk until you're lawyer. What happened? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: There's not privilege now it's Benson shows up with Declan
Speaker 2: Murphy aka the guy from Grounded for Life aka Donald Loge.
Speaker 2: All the names sound crazy, none of these are real names,
Speaker 2: and so we would love him on the pod though
Speaker 2: the names are funny, but we we want the sky
Speaker 2: on the pod really.
Speaker 1: Donald log famously the second baby daddy of Rollins, the
Speaker 1: second baby daddy.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm shocked you didn't fuck more people in the
Speaker 2: precinct like I. But he he is a hothead. He
Speaker 2: really does flip out. He's really kind of wild. I
Speaker 2: think we can find out late or he might be
Speaker 2: bipolar or something, because he does have an air of
Speaker 2: a little to him. No no offense. Okay, so we
Speaker 2: do want him on the pod. He's yelling at Tomorrow
Speaker 2: what the fuck Benson is worried for? Like, how well
Speaker 2: Amorro is doing and then Rowlins reports that the dude
Speaker 2: is sedated, the pedo concussion, broken ribs, and Donnell is like,
Speaker 2: that's felony assault or even attempted murder if they really
Speaker 2: want you out, and Benson's like, wait, wait, wait, hold on,
Speaker 2: but didn't Wilkes go after you and this, And then
Speaker 2: the Ginger is like, cut this down, shut it off.
Speaker 2: There's no privilege. Shut up. They tell him to keep
Speaker 2: his mouth shut. There is, Yeah, okay, you guys get it.
Speaker 2: They want him to not talk. So now dramatic music
Speaker 2: is playing. He knows he fucked up, and so much
Speaker 2: has happened, and we were just now at the credits.
Speaker 1: That's wild, jam packed jam.
Speaker 2: You're right. I never even thought about that.
Speaker 1: But this episode is the intersection of like seven different episodes.
Speaker 1: It's really wild, Like I did not put that even together,
Speaker 1: but tis yes.
Speaker 2: And so now we have a young lawyer in the
Speaker 2: white blinds room with Tomorrow and he's sitting like a
Speaker 2: bad boy in detention and they're having a meeting and
Speaker 2: the iab dude, I could not find him in the IMDb,
Speaker 2: which I thought was really fucked up.
Speaker 1: So maybe you can help me I was searched.
Speaker 2: Well. Also I was watching another episode that you're covering later.
Speaker 2: You know, we were court multiples, you guys, And so
Speaker 2: I had Peacock with one episode, Hulu with another, and
Speaker 2: then all my articles out and I was fucking up,
Speaker 2: Like I was trying to find Jane how to show,
Speaker 2: but I was looking at a different episode and I
Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck? And then it happened again
Speaker 2: with this guy. But I wasn't Spring Awakening. But I
Speaker 2: can't find the IAB investigator.
Speaker 1: I think his name is Michael Potts, is the actor,
Speaker 1: and that I am. And you know cold Draper, you
Speaker 1: know what's sick is? I had it purple, I went
Speaker 1: on it. I went on it. It's purple, am I
Speaker 1: are we right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is him, right. We've seen him before too.
Speaker 2: He's been in like, uh, he's working, he is y.
Speaker 1: But he he was in above Suspicion. I think he
Speaker 1: was in a lot of the shit that I had
Speaker 1: to do with. He no, but in this specific yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, he's this man works. But yeah, also in
Speaker 1: many episodes like the above Suspicion, he was part of
Speaker 1: all the IAB when they were like closing in on
Speaker 1: the Ganzelle all that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Michael Potts is our man, and he's
Speaker 2: the IAB guy who's like, bro, there's dozens of witnesses
Speaker 2: to unis. They like, no, like, and no one thinks
Speaker 2: that you were defending yourself and that against the victim.
Speaker 1: And Amarro flips out.
Speaker 2: He's like, that's not a victim, that's a fucking psychopath.
Speaker 2: And it's like no, no, no, no, you you were off duty.
Speaker 2: This is serious trouble. Two officers pulled you off an
Speaker 2: unarmed civilian. You are being charged and they ask with what,
Speaker 2: and the interviewer turns off the camera and basically is like,
Speaker 2: assault too, and you better hope you're VIC pulls through.
Speaker 2: So we're in cornet, which makes me feel like they
Speaker 2: have his back a little bit. Yeah, Like IAB sucks,
Speaker 2: but this isn't Tucker level annoying. We're not like, ugh,
Speaker 2: it's Darth Vader like turn off the camera. I think
Speaker 2: is shows a little professional curtisy, even though we're against
Speaker 2: police brutality, but it is a pediphile.
Speaker 1: I'm against police brutality, but this guy's fucking like two
Speaker 1: seconds away from stringing some kid up in his little
Speaker 1: kill room, like he's got like he hasn't acted yet,
Speaker 1: but I mean they are intentionally making him the biggest
Speaker 1: creep ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hondo. So we're in court and tomorrow, YadA YadA, raman,
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? First time? Not first time?
Speaker 2: You know, he has shot an unarmed child, the worst cop,
Speaker 2: the worst cop so sexy. So basically bailo is half
Speaker 2: a million. That's a lot. And the lawyer is like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you put your house for collateral? And I think
Speaker 2: this is so funny. He's like, I can't ask my
Speaker 2: wife to do that again. And it's like you are
Speaker 2: a bad husband and you have to question yourself, like
Speaker 2: you need you need to put your house up for
Speaker 2: collateral again? Come on, broke, Yeah, I think I have
Speaker 2: the It's like Maloney was like throwing people against filing cabinets,
Speaker 2: sure all the time, but like he kind of never
Speaker 2: took it to the level that tomorrow takes it.
Speaker 1: You know, we never had to. I don't think he
Speaker 1: really ever had to put his house up. Kathy would
Speaker 1: have been pissed.
Speaker 2: So the pedophile's wife is really mad and she's like
Speaker 2: in the galley and she's like, you motherfuckers won't stop
Speaker 2: wheel you. So Robin's, Benson, and Donnell are having a
Speaker 2: meeting and nobody is budging on this. They're all they're
Speaker 2: acting like it's outrageous though, so they're like, sorry, the
Speaker 2: charges are being pressed and they're like what the fuck,
Speaker 2: and it's like, come on, guys, and then Finn does
Speaker 2: his classic pops out of nowhere, pops out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't want to film a coverage with anybody,
Speaker 2: and so then Rollin wants to start investigating, and the
Speaker 2: lieutenant you know, yells at her, and so then Finn
Speaker 2: fills every and then donn All is the acting lieutenant.
Speaker 2: So then Finn fills everyone in. Okay, that's a grid improv.
Speaker 2: Finn fills everyone in Phil's fun and fills everyone in yeah,
Speaker 2: and so on the case on the case, and he
Speaker 2: wants them to work on. So basically there's a different
Speaker 2: case happening. I mean, how many layers to this episode
Speaker 2: and they all need to work on this other case.
Speaker 2: So a German tourist got assaulted in a hotel room
Speaker 2: and robbed and beaten, and so they go to talk
Speaker 2: to him in the hospital. He went on Craigslist. He
Speaker 2: wanted a New York girlfriend experience, and then she came over.
Speaker 2: She wanted to order room service. She did not look
Speaker 2: like her picture and he goes but she seemed around
Speaker 2: twenty five and rough, and he is really badly fucked up.
Speaker 2: He says her name was Lisette. There was no chats
Speaker 2: or anything. They got right down to business. She unzipped
Speaker 2: her pants. Then there was a knock on the door,
Speaker 2: which he assumed was room service. But then a man
Speaker 2: with a gun came in Latin and scary, and he
Speaker 2: hit the set with the gun and then he held
Speaker 2: it on him. He took everything out and then forced
Speaker 2: him on the bed and then did rape him with
Speaker 2: the gun. So that's brutal. And then the girl was
Speaker 2: in the corner crying and terrified, and then all the
Speaker 2: cops kind of look at each other and they know
Speaker 2: what we are about to find out.
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, so did the room service ever come?
Speaker 2: And he said no, and they're like, yeah, bro, you
Speaker 2: were a scam and you were a victim of a scam.
Speaker 1: And then it dawns on him and he's quite sad.
Speaker 2: And Finn is at the corkboard at the work breaking
Speaker 2: down the case, and there is surveillance of the elevator
Speaker 2: and she obviously lied about the room service. There was
Speaker 2: only one call. No one ever called for help. They
Speaker 2: went out the stairs. They also have a pick of
Speaker 2: him from the elevator, but he's hidden fully and there's
Speaker 2: four cases recently with a similar mom. So donn Alla
Speaker 2: is like, Okay, let's answer the ad. So he's going undercover.
Speaker 2: Benson likes how proactive he's being. That's the thing, Like
Speaker 2: I feel like Benson in if this was real life,
Speaker 2: he would have fucked Benson too, and Benson would have
Speaker 2: fucked him. Like I do feel like he got around
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't see it, but he fucked through that office.
Speaker 1: There's no way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And this this actor is.
Speaker 1: Canadian, but I think his parents for Irish and so
Speaker 1: he when he was on Sons of Anarchy, he was
Speaker 1: I believe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I believe he's like the head of like the Irish
Speaker 1: motorcycle gang that comes over to the United States. Like
Speaker 1: he always likes to do Irish So that's like he's
Speaker 1: like showing off his Irish accent here.
Speaker 2: I feel, oh yeah, because that's the thing. It was
Speaker 2: a German tourist. It's always tourists. It's midtown hotels, and
Speaker 2: so he yeah, he really brings on the Irish and
Speaker 2: he's ready to play some cop theater everybody. So Rollins
Speaker 2: is in the lobby on the phone, and we see
Speaker 2: a sex worker walking through. She's wearing a tight, hot
Speaker 2: pink skirt and a denim jacket and nobody is with her,
Speaker 2: so she's on the floor and then Donnell gives direction like,
Speaker 2: do not bust in until the pimp busts in with
Speaker 2: the weapon because he wants to catch him in the act,
Speaker 2: and because I think the FBI needs way more evidence
Speaker 2: than cops or am I lying? Oh no, not that
Speaker 2: he is. I don't know right now, he's acting as
Speaker 2: a lieutenant whatever. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of like, I don't think
Speaker 1: he wants to just get her. He wants the guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes. And the hopping girl enters and
Speaker 2: she is from Shameless. Okay, she's Lip's girlfriend. Who is
Speaker 2: you know, played by Jeremy Allen White and she's amazing.
Speaker 1: I think her name is Emma Greenwall. Yeah, so when
Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out who to get for
Speaker 1: a guest on this episode. Her name is Emma Greenwall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like she got all this fanfare from being on
Speaker 1: like Shameless. I cannot find anything from her in the
Speaker 1: last like four years. Like I think she's she moved abroad.
Speaker 1: I think she lives in London and she's just kind
Speaker 1: of like not posting on Insta, Like she's not. Like
Speaker 1: I literally was looking up everything and every article was
Speaker 1: like she's what's Like, you know, she has two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty six thousand followers on Insta and like I
Speaker 1: believe the last post is from September of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: so like she hasn't posted in like a year and
Speaker 1: a half. And yeah, like I don't know if she
Speaker 1: posts stories or anything, but she's not posting to the grid.
Speaker 1: And I feel like she's not really acting, which is
Speaker 1: so crazy because she had a big thing going on.
Speaker 2: But I mean, if this was a scripted series, this
Speaker 2: is what we would be investigating right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, she has no she only has eleven acting
Speaker 1: credits and they stopped in twenty nineteen, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think she's married and has a kid, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if she's just like out she does yeahland, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. It's like so shocked. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's like a woman just had a career change, and
Speaker 1: we're like, what the.
Speaker 2: Fuck is going on? What happens? She's like living life,
Speaker 2: having a good time, and we're like, why isn't she
Speaker 2: posting more? Something is wrong?
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you she could. She could easily
Speaker 1: be like after her kid is like more school age,
Speaker 1: be like I'm back, and I'm sure she's like beautiful
Speaker 1: and talented. I'm sure she'll get more and.
Speaker 2: Very talented because she's a mess. She's a mess in
Speaker 2: this episode. So then she right away is like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's an old Pa picture, so she knows what's up
Speaker 2: as well, and she starts making out with him right away.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, do you want a drink?
Speaker 2: She asks if she can order room service, and she
Speaker 2: makes the call, and then downstairs we see a man
Speaker 2: in a den in vest and a white tank top
Speaker 2: with tattoos and a little hat going upstairs and Donald
Speaker 2: pays pays her, and he's trying to stall and wants
Speaker 2: it slow and not rushing, and she wants it to
Speaker 2: like be faster obviously, like get the fuck out of work,
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I can pay you for your time.
Speaker 2: I have money, and then bam bam. Jeane vest is
Speaker 2: in the room, gun up wants the money and he's like,
Speaker 2: the money's in her bra and he calls it a
Speaker 2: brazier and he pulls her oh, and then Tino pulls
Speaker 2: her by her hair and throws her against the wall.
Speaker 2: And it is like so fucked, Like if you are
Speaker 2: working together, why why do you have to throw her
Speaker 2: so hard?
Speaker 1: But also why are you to also like rape these
Speaker 1: men with a gun, take the take the money and
Speaker 1: run like what I don't understand. Yeah, he's he's just
Speaker 1: a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, so but also why does why do
Speaker 2: they have to take the passport? So cause he's asking
Speaker 2: wallet passport, no games, Why do you need the passport?
Speaker 2: Maybe they sell them. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, passports seem like they get flagged. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can use a fake passport very easily.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So he turns to the dresser and
Speaker 2: Finn opens like a conjoining door room and boom, it
Speaker 2: hits him. He falls, Finn arrests him, the gunflies pink
Speaker 2: skirt tries to grab it and Benson goes, you move,
Speaker 2: I shoot, and she tries to act like out of it,
Speaker 2: like oh no, I'm a victim, and Benson goes, bitch,
Speaker 2: you're done. So we're back at the office and little
Speaker 2: Tino the pimp got a lawyer in a nice suit,
Speaker 2: and Ellie aka Lisette is waiting for public aid. Trevor
Speaker 2: Langen walks in for Ellie and they're like, wait, we
Speaker 2: thought she was getting public like a public defender, and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, oh, yeah, hey, Rowlands, this is Trevor my
Speaker 2: real life husband. And she goes a high priced mouthpiece
Speaker 2: for low lifes and his response is epic, and he goes,
Speaker 2: and you once, how soon we forget?
Speaker 1: How soon we forget? It is crazy? I mean they
Speaker 1: are he has.
Speaker 2: Done more pro bono, like I he has done nice
Speaker 2: things for people. Yeah, but he likes to do a
Speaker 2: few pro bonos every year to keep him an honest lawyer.
Speaker 2: And then Murphy says oxy moron and then rollins. So
Speaker 2: he goes to meet with his client and Rollins spins
Speaker 2: her chair to look at Benson. He goes, he's tall,
Speaker 2: and Benson walking to her desk says, like, that's a
Speaker 2: skill set, and Rollins goes any history, what's up? And
Speaker 2: Benson says she doesn't date lawyers, and Rollins goes, since
Speaker 2: when and yeah, so okay, what I feel like I
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind if they ended up together in the end
Speaker 2: of the series.
Speaker 1: No, me neither, like, because we always talk about like,
Speaker 1: I think that's the a guy that understands what she does,
Speaker 1: A guy that could pay for her to like go
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas and like have a nice life, you know,
Speaker 1: and when he knows Noah, he knows Noah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I thought he's been. I've always thought he'd been.
Speaker 1: He'd be a wonderful endgame choice.
Speaker 2: But is he a bachelor? Is he with people? Or
Speaker 2: do you think he dates a lot of hotgart Like
Speaker 2: what's he up to? Trevor Langan?
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever even gotten like a
Speaker 1: like a little snippet of him.
Speaker 2: You know. No, but I wonder because I like, did
Speaker 2: he get separate? You know? I just but I want
Speaker 2: them to end up together. I think that's that's going forward.
Speaker 2: That's the answer I'm giving to everybody. Yeah, that's my
Speaker 2: goal for them to end up together. Blended family hanging
Speaker 2: out or you know, he just stops Noah, But I'm
Speaker 2: I don't know if Trevor's kids are and he's been
Speaker 2: on so many episodes. We got to get him, we do,
Speaker 2: but it just seems like weird. It's like if we
Speaker 2: get him or Cocoa, it's like, clearly we want to
Speaker 2: talk about your spell, like I get us your spouse
Speaker 2: net like Trevor like, oh, we want to interview about SVU,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if he's like eating breakfast with her,
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna do this SVU podcast, Like I know, it's.
Speaker 1: Just too much.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to handle it. He I feel
Speaker 2: like we have to do him after Olivia. I don't
Speaker 2: know after Marishka. Yeah, in this weird way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he like I think he starts out like
Speaker 1: a dick in his first few seasons and then it's
Speaker 1: like later in seasons he starts taking on the cute
Speaker 1: like extra not even cute.
Speaker 2: But he does. He did defend you, so it is
Speaker 2: crazy that she's being so mean and calling him this mouthpiece.
Speaker 2: So she defended him in season eleven when she was
Speaker 2: framed for the murder of the biker guy because there
Speaker 2: is like science where you can copy DNA right right.
Speaker 2: Someone I was gonna say, did he defend her during
Speaker 2: the William Lewis stuff?
Speaker 1: But that was not I think that it was just Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: I think Rita Calhoun defends her during the William Lewis shit,
Speaker 1: but she never gets in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is interesting because like Elliots had to
Speaker 2: pick lawyers, and he picked CC Pounder Pounder. But I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like, in my head, the best lawyers are
Speaker 2: the ones that they hire.
Speaker 1: Yes, the ones they go for.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ja counter is Carolyn Maddox, Yes, Carolin Maddox. So to me,
Speaker 1: these are the best of the best. But Elizabeth Marvel,
Speaker 1: we know is the best because she makes us so mad.
Speaker 1: But Trevor doesn't make me as mad as the They're
Speaker 1: like the you know as the oil tycoon hairdoo. And
Speaker 1: like I wonder if Benson would ever hire Buchanan or something.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she would. Yeah, there's there's so anyways. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now the lawyer meeting is with tomorrow. The pedal
Speaker 2: the pedophile is awake. There's no sustained injuries, thank god,
Speaker 2: but so he'll be fine. But the wife and him
Speaker 2: are adamant about seeing him be prosecuted. The DA is
Speaker 2: also gung ho to get him on all charges because
Speaker 2: they're really trying to crack down on police brutality. And
Speaker 2: Tomorrow goes, fuck this, this is a pedophile. Why do
Speaker 2: you love this pedophile? And like he has a fucking
Speaker 2: torture chamber? What the fuck are the lawyers? We have
Speaker 2: to stick with self defense, that is what we have
Speaker 2: to do. And the lawyer is trying to spin a
Speaker 2: story in Tomorrow is like, I'm fucked. I'm fucked, a
Speaker 2: fucked Oh my god, a trial. I'm not going to trial.
Speaker 2: He's like, I can try for a plea, but this
Speaker 2: isn't just gonna go away.
Speaker 1: Another person tying in other episodes. The lawyer is Lorenzo d' sapio,
Speaker 1: who is the guy that Rolin's sister is the law
Speaker 1: is the lawyer for Kim Rowlins and then she like
Speaker 1: basically starts a relationship with her because she's a cross Lorenzo.
Speaker 1: They bring Lorenzo to Sapio back like I love how
Speaker 1: Like Rawlins is like, I'll get you a lawyer, I'll
Speaker 1: get you. My sister's shady ass grifter lawyer, and here
Speaker 1: he is. But damn, because I just I so vividly
Speaker 1: remember going, well, me and Lorenzo. I'm actually wearing a
Speaker 1: friendship bracelet that someone made for us and it is
Speaker 1: an acronym and it's what would Kim Rolins do? So
Speaker 1: I have that the chaos, the chaos of what would
Speaker 1: Kim Rowlins do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty psycho, but I'm wearing it as we were.
Speaker 2: So now we bring in the German Man and he
Speaker 2: identifies Ellie immediately in the lineup, and Trevor's like, to Benson, though, like,
Speaker 2: you're not seeing Ellie as a victim. She was pimped
Speaker 2: out at sixteen. Benson says she tried to pull a
Speaker 2: gun on Murphy and he goes, yeah, because her pimp
Speaker 2: made her like it is it is uncharacteristic of Benson,
Speaker 2: but she's blinded in a rage. But she's like, she
Speaker 2: also set up a tourist to be raped and is
Speaker 2: a career criminal, and she continues she needs rehab, not jail.
Speaker 1: So now the man.
Speaker 2: We go back to the lineup and it's the lineup
Speaker 2: for the pimp. He picks the wrong guy. They do
Speaker 2: all look very similar, facial hair, bald like gray hoodie,
Speaker 2: and it sucks. I feel really bad for him, and
Speaker 2: I hate when the defense attorney in the room in
Speaker 2: front of the person who just failed the lineup is like,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go get my exonerated client, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: You have to make this rape victim feel worse, like
Speaker 2: fuck off. So Murphy's like, listen, let's try to see
Speaker 2: if Ellie will flip on Tino and ads. It's crazy
Speaker 2: that Tino didn't cover her legal bills to try to
Speaker 2: control her. He didn't bother helping her at all. So
Speaker 2: so Benson goes in there for a sit down with
Speaker 2: Ellie and she of course does not want to give
Speaker 2: up her fucking pimp who you know, she's gone through trauma.
Speaker 2: Trevor also is trying to convince Ellie to flip and
Speaker 2: to testify. She won't even think about it, and Benson
Speaker 2: has no time for this, throws a candy bar at
Speaker 2: her and says, have you ever gone through full withdrawal?
Speaker 2: You're shaking, You're not feeling well. You're about to be
Speaker 2: sitting in your own puke on a cell on the floor.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be dirty and pathetic because you have a
Speaker 2: chance to break this cycle, and she goes, you want
Speaker 2: to be my mommy lady. Detectives love trying to save me,
Speaker 2: but I like my life the way it is. And
Speaker 2: Benson goes, Okay, have fun going to jail for robbery
Speaker 2: and accomplice to rape. And this is, you know, our
Speaker 2: classic don't go to jail for a man. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: da is still gonna charge Tino with the robbery even
Speaker 2: though there's no evidence. Really, and then Ellie too, But
Speaker 2: how's there no evidence? We caught him in the act
Speaker 2: like we caught them in the act with Donnell like,
Speaker 2: so they have some evidence. It's just the lineup. They
Speaker 2: just don't have the lineup, but they have something. I
Speaker 2: I'm you know, misspoke. Murphy accuses Benson of not trying
Speaker 2: hard enough for Ellie and they have kind of a
Speaker 2: little back and forth about it, and and Benson is
Speaker 2: being uncharacteristically disgusted by Ellie in a way she usually
Speaker 2: has empathy for all these victims, so it is confusing.
Speaker 2: But she's a writer dive friend, so if you try
Speaker 2: to shoot her friend, she will not take your side.
Speaker 2: So then they start hitchatting about tomorrow and then Pipa
Speaker 2: runs in actually and she goes, hey, is there an
Speaker 2: Ellie Porter here and holding And basically Ellie Porter is
Speaker 2: the mother of baby Doe, that is her son. Benson
Speaker 2: is stunned as hell. So now this baby that she
Speaker 2: does care about is connected to this person she thought
Speaker 2: is pathetic. So then Rollin's and Tomorrow have a meeting
Speaker 2: in jail and they're being they're being with the internet's
Speaker 2: now like dumb bitch is just saying exactly to each other,
Speaker 2: just delusional and it's like you did beat a man
Speaker 2: up to a pulp off duty, but the pedo is
Speaker 2: doing the city and Tomorrow is saying he doesn't have
Speaker 2: much fight left, and Rollins goes, well, you better try.
Speaker 2: We're all rooting for you. And then Boom walks in
Speaker 2: munch back from retirement.
Speaker 1: They all hug itets a really sweet hug.
Speaker 2: Murphy wants Benson to talk to Ellie and maybe that
Speaker 2: will motivate her to talk to Tino.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we're bouncing back and forth. Get over it.
Speaker 1: So from the hug we.
Speaker 2: Go back to work and yeah, so they think the
Speaker 2: baby's gonna motivate Ellie to talk back to the prison
Speaker 2: yard tomorrow and Unch are chatting. He tells him that
Speaker 2: his marriage is over and John and then John's like,
Speaker 2: you need to trust me. I've you know, I've been
Speaker 2: divorced three times and your marriage is dead and Amarro goes,
Speaker 2: but my marriage is my life, and Munch goes, Listen,
Speaker 2: you're always gonna have your daughter, but you shouldn't have
Speaker 2: to live this way, Like you got to get out
Speaker 2: of here. You gotta, you know, focus on your joy.
Speaker 1: But they're all sing like this is Kraigan when he
Speaker 1: got framed for the murder of Carissa, Like this isn't
Speaker 1: a miscarriage of justice.
Speaker 2: We've got to get him out of here. And it's like, no, bro, you.
Speaker 1: Fucking went off on somebody and beat him to a
Speaker 1: bloody pulp. It could have been cool to just like
Speaker 1: one sucker punch, be like he took my photo, he
Speaker 1: came at me with his camera. He beat the fuck
Speaker 1: out of this guy. It's really hilarious that they're like,
Speaker 1: we we gotta help you here, man.
Speaker 2: So basically Munch is like, you're a good cop. Wilkes
Speaker 2: is a bad guy, and he goes, you know, you
Speaker 2: just fucked up on your but like you fucked up,
Speaker 2: but your instincts are right, and we're gonna get you
Speaker 2: out of here. You fight for the victims, and you
Speaker 2: fight for the survivors. So then and then a surprise,
Speaker 2: Munch posted his bail. He has some pensions lined up,
Speaker 2: and they walk out of the prison yard and it's
Speaker 2: like you couldn't you have had this convo over a coffee,
Speaker 2: like you could have told him and then but okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so and that's fifty grand, that's nice. So now Ellie
Speaker 2: is looking at a picture of her baby. She's so
Speaker 2: excited she can't believe it. Oh my god, that's baby Noah.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my son. And she hasn't seen
Speaker 2: him since before Christmas last year. And Benson's so mean,
Speaker 2: why did you get rid of him? Ellie obviously is like,
Speaker 2: I didn't I owe deed And when I got back,
Speaker 2: I was told that Noah had died. But she won't
Speaker 2: say who they are. But she does not know who
Speaker 2: the father is. She was working and she did get
Speaker 2: to keep the baby as long as she kept working.
Speaker 2: While Tito's Tito, that's a vodka I enjoy. Tino's mom
Speaker 2: took care of her and all the other kids at
Speaker 2: her home daycare, and so and this woman's a boy
Speaker 2: mom okay, if we've never seen one, and she's good
Speaker 2: with kids, and Benson is activated good with kids, then
Speaker 2: why did she give Noah a pornographer? And that's the episode,
Speaker 2: you know, the fake wheelchair guy, the kid, the pornos,
Speaker 2: all of that, and she's like, yep, I found him
Speaker 2: with a couple. I rested that they were using for
Speaker 2: child rape videos. And she's like, oh my god, that
Speaker 2: beard old guy.
Speaker 4: Ugh.
Speaker 2: She used to do business with Tino, so she knows
Speaker 2: the exact you know, Peto couple, and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he sold her like a ten year old girl once.
Speaker 2: And that's the ten year old girl in pigtails that
Speaker 2: we meet in the episode Oh What a dark, dark,
Speaker 2: twisted web. And she does not want to go against
Speaker 2: Tino and because she knows that he'll kill her, and
Speaker 2: then a classic drop of like again, don't go to
Speaker 2: Joe for a man fight to see her baby. So
Speaker 2: then they go to the they bust into the daycare,
Speaker 2: so that means she did cooperate in some sort of capacity.
Speaker 2: They're looking for cash, guns, weapons, okay, as well as
Speaker 2: all the children and sex workers that are being held
Speaker 2: against their will.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So all hands on deck, tons of guns, swat team,
Speaker 2: They're all running into the house. Kids everywhere, crying, screaming,
Speaker 2: pregnant women. And then the mom's trying to hit Fin
Speaker 2: with a frying pan. I really love her. She is
Speaker 2: pretty slapstick. And then she and then Benson's like picking
Speaker 2: up a forty and the mom, Yeah, put down my brew, bitch,
Speaker 2: And so I really like that, like you're not having
Speaker 2: your beer, like you're going to jail. Tino is running
Speaker 2: out from the second story window. He jumps, Rollin starts running.
Speaker 2: It's a full chase. He climbs over a giant fence,
Speaker 2: Rollin's follows, and then he gets cut off on both sides,
Speaker 2: like with some more police. She throws him against the
Speaker 2: wall and arrests him and he's like, oh whatever, it's
Speaker 2: a legit daycare, and you know, no one believes him.
Speaker 2: So now we have Tino in custody and the mother
Speaker 2: and the mom is not talking and did not know
Speaker 2: about the drugs or guns and says her ex husband
Speaker 2: must have left it there. They're gonna get her though,
Speaker 2: for running an illegal daycare. Rollin's runs over and there's
Speaker 2: three girls under the age of eighteen and they've been
Speaker 2: held against their will and they're all working for Tino,
Speaker 2: and then they all think Tino's looking out for them
Speaker 2: and so they're not going to testify and they're like,
Speaker 2: Ellie is her only chance if anyone is gonna flip.
Speaker 2: So Rolin asks Benson how she's doing, and she doesn't
Speaker 2: really know. She's been searching for this boy's mother for
Speaker 2: four months and boom like then she arrests this woman.
Speaker 2: So Benson goes to Rikers and Ellie gets to meet
Speaker 2: baby Noah. She's on meds for withdrawal. She's like bonding
Speaker 2: and holding Noah. She thanks Benson while baby talking with
Speaker 2: the baby, and it fades to black and now we're
Speaker 2: back with Benson and Rollins meeting up with Nick and
Speaker 2: they want him to do time. Rollins is like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm actually running late to meeting. I'll be
Speaker 2: back and it's like, what meeting bitch? Oh maybe gambling? Okay,
Speaker 2: So he because of the food was work. I was like,
Speaker 2: Benson would know if there was any meetings, but I
Speaker 2: forgot so he thanks Benson. Amaro, thanks Benson. For having
Speaker 2: his back and she says always. Now we're back at
Speaker 2: the Pedophiles Photos studio, you know of Simon Wilkes, and
Speaker 2: Rollins is there to talk to the pedophile's blonde wife
Speaker 2: and she's pissed, get the fuck out of here, and
Speaker 2: Rollins goes, just one thing. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: your husband's online activities last night. And so she's like,
Speaker 2: your partner is crazy, and Rollins goes, yeah, whatever, my
Speaker 2: partner will take her management classes while your husband gets
Speaker 2: free and keeps perverted photos and keeps having his wild
Speaker 2: fantasies and torture rooms. Is that really what you signed
Speaker 2: up for when you married him? And she says marriage
Speaker 2: is complicated and there are compromises, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: there are, and then she went into like she goes,
Speaker 2: well guess yeah, okay, I guess we can comment that
Speaker 2: is like, what why would you stay with a pedophile? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's like I like to crochet and he likes to
Speaker 1: imagine murdering and molesting children. It's like we just have
Speaker 1: our things, you know, that's marriage. Like this woman is
Speaker 1: Delulu town like huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Rollins then is like, well, I went into
Speaker 2: your like husband's chat rooms last night and shows her
Speaker 2: all these mean things he writes about her, and he
Speaker 2: writes stuff like, who wants to do my boyish wife?
Speaker 2: I'd get off on watching you torture her while she
Speaker 2: begs for her life. She was born to sub and
Speaker 2: this was all last night, and in the mo like
Speaker 2: he's doing this with his coffee and he will. And
Speaker 2: then she's like, I was chatting with him and he's
Speaker 2: waiting for me to send photos of little boys and
Speaker 2: he and then she's like, and the moment he's gonna
Speaker 2: download them, I'm gonna have him for kitty torture porn.
Speaker 2: And we both know he's gonna download. She flips out.
Speaker 2: She asks, you're here to blackmail me. She screams, you're
Speaker 2: in denial or your husband needs help and he needs
Speaker 2: to do something else. Simon tells IAB that he's swung
Speaker 2: first and that my partner Amaro, had to fight back
Speaker 2: in self defense and if he doesn't do that, I
Speaker 2: will make sure his ass is in jail by the
Speaker 2: end of today. Rollins is wild, and then she adds
Speaker 2: and he will die there. And the wife is weighing
Speaker 2: out her option. This is the meeting. This is the meeting.
Speaker 2: This is the thing Rowins came up with.
Speaker 1: She's like, I gotta go, I've got a meeting.
Speaker 2: Uh wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the wife's weighing it out.
Speaker 2: So we're at court now with baby Tino and I
Speaker 2: mean little Tino, and so what will happen? So the
Speaker 2: mom and him are out on bail, so that's kind
Speaker 2: of annoying. And then he turns around to stare at
Speaker 2: Benson in the galley and wait.
Speaker 1: I have a question. I have a question. When they
Speaker 1: got him after the the sting, right when Donald Logue
Speaker 1: was like proteting, wasn't he out on bail?
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah? So like once you fuck up? Like how
Speaker 2: and then they get got to wear an ankle bracelet.
Speaker 2: I guess that's why they're letting him go. This judge
Speaker 2: is a dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: It's like, we just keep letting this fucking very violent
Speaker 1: criminal just keep getting out on bail. It's so wild.
Speaker 1: This might actually be a plot hole though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was out and then they like apprehended
Speaker 1: him at this illegal daycare. He runs from the cops,
Speaker 1: evades arrest, and then it's like, oh, okay, bail again,
Speaker 1: Like I don't it's wild.
Speaker 2: Fuck to circumstantial or something whatever. He doesn't have to
Speaker 2: wear an ankle bracelet. Ellie is really scared, but she's
Speaker 2: in a nun type home and she's nervous, but she's
Speaker 2: drinking tea and they're gonna prep her and they're gonna
Speaker 2: work on getting Noah back, but first it's about staying clean.
Speaker 2: And Ellie shakes her head and she understands. Benson gets
Speaker 2: up and says, call me if you need anything, and
Speaker 2: Ellie says, I'm going to do this and I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know what to grow up in
Speaker 2: foster care like I did. I just want him to
Speaker 2: be safe and grow up knowing that he has left.
Speaker 2: Benson says, to you tomorrow, and then hopeful music plays,
Speaker 2: and you know, Ellie has really cute gold hoops. So
Speaker 2: tomorrow is meeting with the IAB guy. The lawyer is
Speaker 2: there and they're really confused because you know, the DA
Speaker 2: was wanting to press charges. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Simon called and admitted that he attacked you first. And
Speaker 2: you just got bail yesterday, so you're out yesterday, and
Speaker 2: Simon calls today to drop the case because he attacked
Speaker 2: you first. What's going on. But Danny Pino's shocked. He
Speaker 2: didn't know that Rollins went broke, and his face is
Speaker 2: kind of like hell, yes, okay, cool, like I can't
Speaker 2: believe he gave in, and Tomorrow has no idea about
Speaker 2: any of this, and the lawyer then adds like, listen,
Speaker 2: my client's been locked up at but the bail Hello,
Speaker 2: this is really wild. Rollins, you couldn't do it a
Speaker 2: day sooner? Yea. But Tomorrow's like says, I did not
Speaker 2: have I did not make contact with him, so they
Speaker 2: drop the charges.
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go.
Speaker 2: The IAB guy then says that your client will still
Speaker 2: face administrative charges, but no one even cares. But he's
Speaker 2: like this isn't over and he gets up and leave,
Speaker 2: so hell yeah, he's not getting punished and he does
Speaker 2: get to keep his shield. This is crazy. He did
Speaker 2: beat a man senseless, but also Rolins like we should
Speaker 2: still arrest the pedophile, Like now you're letting a pedophile go,
Speaker 2: like this can come back in the future to bite
Speaker 2: her in the ass. Marcia gay Harden's style, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yeah, if this comes out that
Speaker 2: she did that, and this guy then tortures or downloads
Speaker 2: child abuse images?
Speaker 1: How can because she blackmailed?
Speaker 2: Like he now actually has the freedom to go attack
Speaker 2: kids or do whatever he wants because there's the blackmail stuff. Oh,
Speaker 2: because they would say, oh, we were blackmailed, that's why
Speaker 2: we did that. So this is on rollins if he
Speaker 2: abuses a child or buys any point or does anything,
Speaker 2: like yeah, she knew that, she knew that he would
Speaker 2: download child sex abuse images and now he's just free
Speaker 2: to like they can't you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it is selfish and bad and also what was
Speaker 1: his the wife said, could you please drop the charges
Speaker 1: because you said all this embarrassing stuff about me online
Speaker 1: and I'll leave you or what? Like what what what
Speaker 1: prompted it? I don't I don't really get the blackmail,
Speaker 1: I guess either.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh yeah, but maybe he knows now not
Speaker 2: to download anything.
Speaker 1: But no, it's the it's freedom for him now, right,
Speaker 1: But like why did he not go still go after tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Like he could still go after tomorrow? Like the wife
Speaker 1: went to him and said, you said all this mean
Speaker 1: stuff about me online and he.
Speaker 2: Was like okay, no, well they have they have evidence
Speaker 2: that he would like get the stuff, like they like
Speaker 2: the wife knew. That's why Rollins was like, we both
Speaker 2: know he's going to download stuff, and the moment he does,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna arrest him.
Speaker 1: Got it because she crack So like.
Speaker 2: The moment he does it and downloads this childborn, I
Speaker 2: will arrest him. And you fucking know he's gonna do it,
Speaker 2: and she wants to be with her pedophile husband. She
Speaker 2: loves him.
Speaker 1: Oh so okay, So then she convinces him. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the downloading. Okay, got it. I was like, what
Speaker 1: is the what's the actual threat here that he was
Speaker 1: mean about his wife on the chat room? But yes, okay,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: But you're correct.
Speaker 1: I mean, like that is it does put this guy
Speaker 1: with the upper hand because now he has But what's
Speaker 1: the proof. Maybe Rollins has no proof because she just
Speaker 1: went and saw the woman in person, so it would
Speaker 1: be like he said, she said, she said, she said,
Speaker 1: if the wife is like, oh, this cop came to
Speaker 1: me and blackmailed me, says who you know? Who knows?
Speaker 1: I just hope they arrest him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or we see something in the future like hello,
Speaker 2: like let's get an episode going. Yeah, So Murphy tells
Speaker 2: Benson and Rollins and Finn the news and Rollins does
Speaker 2: some acting skills like wow, I wonder how that happened.
Speaker 2: So then Benson chases down Murphy to try to fight
Speaker 2: to make sure he's brought back to SVU, and Murphy's like,
Speaker 2: fuck that, I'm not wasting a favor on this guy. Okay,
Speaker 2: Like every favor you give you owe back three times more.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it for this lunatic. But then Rodlans
Speaker 2: busts in and goes, there's a problem. Ellie has disappeared.
Speaker 2: She was freaked out about testifying she needed to keep
Speaker 2: the edge off as with some of the other borders
Speaker 2: and like I guess witnesses and the convent said, and
Speaker 2: at bed checks, the nun noticed that she wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Then Robins turns to the nun and asks, hey, do
Speaker 2: you know any place around here where she would go
Speaker 2: to score?
Speaker 1: And then nun goes, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: And so a search happens, lights dogs fuck like, and
Speaker 2: then the little Tino's ankle monitor does show that he
Speaker 2: was in the area, and they're searching the area and
Speaker 2: he is back home and claims that he's been home
Speaker 2: the whole night. But it's like you do have an
Speaker 2: ankle monitor and they find a burned up body. They
Speaker 2: show us the burned up body. It's crisp. It is bad,
Speaker 2: it's really sad, it's awful. A witness heard her screaming
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of guys. They all kept coming.
Speaker 2: And then another witness says to Finn, like, oh, there
Speaker 2: was a green light pod on her, which means that
Speaker 2: anyone can do anything to her. And I guess they
Speaker 2: all just know a bunch of fucked up motherfuckers. And
Speaker 2: so he asks a little tino greenlit and she goes,
Speaker 2: he ain't got the juice for that. Finn goes, who does?
Speaker 2: And she goes, helloell, are you serious? Like I'm not
Speaker 2: getting killed? There's a burned friend. And so she was
Speaker 2: gang rape, tortured, and set on fire and in her
Speaker 2: system was booze, cocaine and heroin. This is probably one
Speaker 2: of the worst s be you things. And Benson's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I told her she'd be safe, and Murphy goes, well,
Speaker 2: she was. She's the one who left the convent. Benson
Speaker 2: does thinks she should have done more. And now Benson
Speaker 2: is committed to finding who made the call to greenlight
Speaker 2: this because it wasn't this clown and she knows it.
Speaker 2: So she goes into play some games with Tino and
Speaker 2: he keeps taking credit for it and says it was him,
Speaker 2: and both Finn and Benson do not believe that, but
Speaker 2: either way, he's going to serve twenty five years. And
Speaker 2: behind the glass, Rollins is screaming to Murphy like there
Speaker 2: are six different men's DNA, like we need to find them,
Speaker 2: and Murphy is like, okay, yeah, if he wants to
Speaker 2: do time, I don't really mind him going to jail,
Speaker 2: you know, like they're obviously scared of someone though, and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, wait, wait, wait wait, So then the killer
Speaker 2: of Ellie Porter just gets away with that. Fuck that,
Speaker 2: and this baby grows up and finds out that the
Speaker 2: killer of his mom is just out there. So then
Speaker 2: he goes, listen, if you want to pursue it, that case,
Speaker 2: that's on you because you're now going to be active, COEO,
Speaker 2: I got an undercover assignment. And Benson goes, oh, we
Speaker 2: just got used to you. But he's fucking out of
Speaker 2: there and she will be in charge now, and he
Speaker 2: goes God's speed and truly walks off like a psycho
Speaker 2: into the mist and Munch walks in and is like, wait,
Speaker 2: I know that guy. How do I know him? And
Speaker 2: Benson calls Murphy Mary Poppins. So they hug so sweet
Speaker 2: and muntioned Benson are back again and they talk about tomorrow,
Speaker 2: and that turns into a convo about like, you know,
Speaker 2: if Munch wants kids, and he says that one of
Speaker 2: his exes did, but he didn't remember which one, but
Speaker 2: it just wasn't meant to be. She asks if he
Speaker 2: has any regrets. He says, listen, it's nice to see you, Olivia,
Speaker 2: but in a different language, and he goes, you know,
Speaker 2: I miss you most of all. And then back in
Speaker 2: Family Corps, the judge is like, fuck, so we found
Speaker 2: the mom and then she was killed last week. Go wow, okay,
Speaker 2: And so then Trevor runs into Core and says he
Speaker 2: represented Ellie Porter. She has no living family and doesn't
Speaker 2: know who the father is, but he knows that she
Speaker 2: loved her son, and he is there is Noah's representative
Speaker 2: and to be of service to him in any way
Speaker 2: that he can. And I love him, but I.
Speaker 1: Says, like this is weird. This is like a weird
Speaker 1: fuck up. I get it's like we wrote this character,
Speaker 1: and we wrote this storyline for Benson, but and then
Speaker 1: we wanted to get Brooks Shields to be her mom
Speaker 1: and stuff. But like she says she grew up in
Speaker 1: foster care and then Trevor says she has no family,
Speaker 1: Like how is that possible? Like she has a Social
Speaker 1: Security number, it's easy to find if she has a
Speaker 1: living relative, you know, so this is a whole to me.
Speaker 2: Well, Ellie, but I don't know if Grandma Sheila knew
Speaker 2: that Noah even existed, Like I wonder if they lost contact,
Speaker 2: changed name, Like you're right, I wonder I wonder if
Speaker 2: fuck yeah, I mean Ellie, Like it's one thing to
Speaker 2: be a runaway.
Speaker 1: But it's like if she's in court, like then they
Speaker 1: would have had to find her real name.
Speaker 2: Like she's got a social Like I mean, Brookshields isn't
Speaker 2: really the real grandmother and she's just a psycho killer
Speaker 2: Grandma Sheila. Yeah yeah, interesting, Okay, But when that all
Speaker 2: gets unfolded that like Johnny d is the dad and
Speaker 2: there's a grandma, like I feel like Benson yells at
Speaker 2: him and goes, this is your fault. You fucked Yeah,
Speaker 2: why didn't you find it, so maybe it's more addressed.
Speaker 2: But maybe he he fucked up. It isn't a writer
Speaker 2: fuck up. Maybe Trevor fucked up. Yes, possible, possible.
Speaker 1: Addiction is tough. Ation is tough.
Speaker 2: So then the judge is like, okay, but also like
Speaker 2: definitely is like this guy's hot, like you can tell
Speaker 2: she is into him. And then she also notices Benson
Speaker 2: is there again, and so she's like, okay, Noah Porter
Speaker 2: will be an orphan of the state unless Benson, you
Speaker 2: rescue the infant. She says yes, and you know, you're
Speaker 2: also the only person that's ever taken interest in the
Speaker 2: kid consistently, and then she suggests, do you want to
Speaker 2: be the foster mother to this baby? Benson is stunned.
Speaker 2: Treva Tureva and Pipper, Trevor and Pippa look at her,
Speaker 2: and the judge says, she has a feeling about this,
Speaker 2: so do you agree to take Noah into care for
Speaker 2: at least the year and then you can permanently adopt
Speaker 2: him after that year. Tears, you know, well up in
Speaker 2: her eyes and she fidgets around and then we do
Speaker 2: a handoff and she gets the baby and then she goes,
Speaker 2: oh my God, you look so healthy. And then the
Speaker 2: bitch and pink, a different shade of pink goes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we do our job, sergeant.
Speaker 1: It's like I can put you to four episodes where
Speaker 1: you don't yeah, and it's not about you.
Speaker 2: Like so Benson and Noah sit in the chair and
Speaker 2: you know, they're cuddling, and it's a really sweet, sweet
Speaker 2: ending and of course a twisted journey ahead that will
Speaker 2: you know, we'll get through the whole saga on the
Speaker 2: pod eventually. But this is not dick wolf baby. It's
Speaker 2: like a nice sweet and no, there was a burned woman.
Speaker 2: It is a dick wolf yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is this is cute because it's like,
Speaker 1: I love this Noah. I love this little baby. I
Speaker 1: don't this doesn't look anything like what future Noah grows
Speaker 1: up to be. I honestly think this kid has brown
Speaker 1: eyes and the new Noah has light eyes. But whatever,
Speaker 1: this baby is very cute and I'm here for him.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That was a very entertaining recap. Lease, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you you had me laugh. You had me laughing today.
Speaker 2: Huge.
Speaker 1: There is such a fucked episode. Yeah, but I got
Speaker 1: two crimes to talk about, and one is fucked and
Speaker 1: one is kind of heartwarming. So at first I researched
Speaker 1: these opposite and then I was like, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do the fucked up one first and then followed
Speaker 1: up with the heartwarming so that we have like a nice,
Speaker 1: you know, palate cleanser before we go into our guests.
Speaker 1: So Ellie Porter's murder I believe is based on the
Speaker 1: murder of Brenda Pause by MS thirteen members. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to get super into MS thirteen because I believe
Speaker 1: there are episodes down the road where they very specifically
Speaker 1: get more in depth with MS thirteen, so I'll wait
Speaker 1: for that. But basically, in the early two thousands, Brenda
Speaker 1: Pause was a teenager caught up with some extremely dangerous
Speaker 1: street gang called MS thirteen, which stands for Mara Salvatruca,
Speaker 1: which is a street gang that I believe started in
Speaker 1: El Salvador. It's like hard to say, I guess, but
Speaker 1: like El Salvador is like where there's a huge presence
Speaker 1: of it and a lot of the members are El
Speaker 1: Salvador are Salvadoran, so the gang is active though all
Speaker 1: over the US, Canada, Mexico, and Central America. Most members
Speaker 1: are Central American. Then their businesses cocaine and marijuana trafficking's
Speaker 1: what's written as alien smuggling. I don't like to call
Speaker 1: undocumented people aliens, but that's like, you know, they smuggle
Speaker 1: people over the border.
Speaker 2: I just got so excited because I thought maybe they
Speaker 2: were into like UFOs or something, and then the reality
Speaker 2: hit me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, it's unfortunately it's not an ET.
Speaker 2: But my green card when I was a kid does
Speaker 2: say alien on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. I think that is
Speaker 1: kind of like a weird a government word. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then weapons trafficking, assault, homicide, rape, kidnapping, ID theft, home invasions, carjackings, prostitution, robbery, vandalism,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing.
Speaker 2: These guys don't do a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: different crimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're extremely violent, which I think is telegraphed in
Speaker 1: Little Tino's like very sort of like nihilistic violence where
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, fuck it, like I killed somebody, like
Speaker 1: who can you know? Like they're violent, they're focused on expansion.
Speaker 1: They recruit a lot of teenagers. So while most women
Speaker 1: are initiated into this gang through sex, Brenda was like
Speaker 1: kind of scrappy and when she was thirteen. She got
Speaker 1: initiated the way men can be initiated, which is getting
Speaker 1: beaten by other members of the gang for thirteen seconds,
Speaker 1: and it's called getting jumped in quote unquote. So she,
Speaker 1: you know, was a member of this gang. She was
Speaker 1: dating a high ranking member. Her nickname in the gang
Speaker 1: was Smiley. People liked her. She traveled all around the
Speaker 1: US with this high ranking member boyfriend of hers. And
Speaker 1: then in two thousand and two, Brenda was sixteen and
Speaker 1: witnessed a murder. She was worried that she was going
Speaker 1: to be charged with the murder, so she became a
Speaker 1: police informant. She told the police, quote, they want to
Speaker 1: be the top gang, the top Hispanic gang, that's what
Speaker 1: they want. They want to be the ones with the
Speaker 1: most killings, the most murders. So she knew it's ton
Speaker 1: about this gang that the cops had no idea about,
Speaker 1: like hand gestures that they that they would make like
Speaker 1: code words, they would use tattoos. Apparently, the tattoo of
Speaker 1: this gang is re dots, and the dots stand for
Speaker 1: the three places that the gang will get you, the jail,
Speaker 1: the hospital, or the cemetery. Does not seem like a
Speaker 1: you know promising thing, but I guess desperate times for
Speaker 1: some people. So Brenda. The police said that Brenda gave
Speaker 1: them credible information on at least sixty cases, so she
Speaker 1: knew what she was fucking talking about. And so she'd
Speaker 1: been in federal witness protection and was set to testify
Speaker 1: against her ex boyfriend, whose name was Dennis Rivera, who
Speaker 1: was already in prison on another charge. I think this
Speaker 1: must be the high ranking member that she was going
Speaker 1: around with, but I'm not sure. I'm not positive. After
Speaker 1: she became pregnant, when she was in witness protection, she
Speaker 1: felt isolated, and she returned to Virginia, where she had
Speaker 1: lived before, and it just it sounds like she kind
Speaker 1: of just got sucked back into the gang because it
Speaker 1: was all she knew. It was like all her friends.
Speaker 1: And in June of two thousand and three, about a
Speaker 1: year after she began working with the cops, she was murdered.
Speaker 1: She was found alongside the Shannando River in Virginia with
Speaker 1: multiple stab wounds, approximately thirteen. That's like a thing, the
Speaker 1: number thirteen, and then her throat was slit as well.
Speaker 1: And sadly, at the time, she was four months pregnant
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, so apparently what happened was in a
Speaker 1: hotel room, gang members had gotten together voted unanimously to
Speaker 1: green light brenda, which is the same phrase that we
Speaker 1: that they talk about in this episode. So the next morning,
Speaker 1: her new boyfriend at the time Oscar Grande, and her
Speaker 1: friend is Ishmael Cisneros or Ismail. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you would say it, but Cisnaros. They took her on
Speaker 1: a fishing trip and Grande and Ciscenaro stabbed her thirteen times,
Speaker 1: and when she screamed why, they said, because you're a rat.
Speaker 1: Grande and Cisnaro's were both charged with her murder, as
Speaker 1: well as her ex Denis Rivera, who the prosecutors believe
Speaker 1: orchestrated the whole thing from prison. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when they're like who you don't have enough juice for this, Tino,
Speaker 1: like who did this?
Speaker 2: Who did this?
Speaker 1: Like that's like this is the guy who's higher up
Speaker 1: that they think orchestrated it. And then there was a
Speaker 1: fourth member of the gang named Oscar Garcia or Alana.
Speaker 1: I'm not super comfortable with how many gang members are
Speaker 1: named Oscar in this story, and he was there at
Speaker 1: the murder, but he didn't participate. He apparently thought they
Speaker 1: were just going fishing the same way that Brenda did,
Speaker 1: and when he turned around, he saw them stabbing her
Speaker 1: and he ran away, and he ended up testifying against
Speaker 1: the other two guys. So in May of two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, Grand and Cis Narrow were convicted. The other
Speaker 1: two were acquitted. So the guy who had really nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it was acquitted great and then Rivera,
Speaker 1: the guy who was in jail and probably orchestrated the
Speaker 1: whole thing.
Speaker 2: His lawyers argued that, oh.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of high up gang members that wanted Brenda dead,
Speaker 1: like everybody knew she had turned to the police, and
Speaker 1: like they even played tapes of Rivera using like codd
Speaker 1: gang slang, like seemingly ordering her death. But the jury
Speaker 1: did not go for it. So he was convicted of
Speaker 1: an earlier murder though, and he is serving life in prison,
Speaker 1: but just not for Brenda, so he is out of
Speaker 1: but who knows. It sounds like he's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of chaos done through jail anyway. Brenda thought nobody knew
Speaker 1: about her cooperating with the cops, but Detective Bob Freeman
Speaker 1: of the US Park Police. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: means US Park Police, but he's he investigated her murder.
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, I guess maybe because she was
Speaker 1: found by the Shanada or whatever. Maybe it was like
Speaker 1: a park. But he said the gang was always spying
Speaker 1: on its members. Freeman told sixty Minutes quote, misters sis
Speaker 1: Naros was recorded, and he's actually talking about conducting a
Speaker 1: private investigation into whether or not she's cooperating with law
Speaker 1: enforcement end quote. And apparently these guys like not only
Speaker 1: run internal investigations about their own people, but they have
Speaker 1: regular meetings to talk about recruiting.
Speaker 2: Money and who to greenlight.
Speaker 1: You know, aka murder. So sixty Minutes also interviewed Cis Naros,
Speaker 1: who is serving life for Brenda's murder, and he told
Speaker 1: the police quote MS. Thirteen has rules, you understand, and
Speaker 1: when you break the rules, we all have to decide
Speaker 1: if you deserve to die. And he told them that
Speaker 1: talking to the police is against their rules. He said
Speaker 1: to sixty minutes, I considered her a friend. She was
Speaker 1: a gang member. She was a homeboy. That's what we
Speaker 1: called one another in the gang. He talks in this
Speaker 1: interview about how it was very painful for him to
Speaker 1: murder her. He's like, it wasn't just her pain. We
Speaker 1: were all in pain. Like I did not.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: But it's like that's the gang. It's I mean, it
Speaker 1: is like a cult. Gangs are culty in the brainwashing,
Speaker 1: you know. So sadly, Brenda, you know, I'm glad these
Speaker 1: two guys got convicted, like they went away for it.
Speaker 1: Brenda's murder also led one of her best friends to
Speaker 1: step up to testify against the gang. She was like
Speaker 1: so horrified that they would kill her pregnant friend. But
Speaker 1: then when sixty minutes asked this girl, like, what are
Speaker 1: your chances of staying alive? She said, quote none. I
Speaker 1: mean I can keep myself safe and away from them,
Speaker 1: but I mean, if they were to find me, it's
Speaker 1: not like they would, you know, give me any mercy.
Speaker 2: End quote. So I hope that.
Speaker 1: I hope she's okay, okay somewhere secret. Yeah me too,
Speaker 1: but like, well I'll just say this too. After the trial,
Speaker 1: Oscar Garcia or Alana, the one who didn't really do
Speaker 1: anything but testified, he was facing deportation and was terrified
Speaker 1: that because he testified, as soon as he got back
Speaker 1: to El Salvador, he'd be murdered, and his lawyers were
Speaker 1: fighting to keep him in the States since he testified
Speaker 1: and helped put these other guys away. I literally searched
Speaker 1: his name, I searched court documents. I cannot find what
Speaker 1: happened to him in the end, so I witness protection
Speaker 1: as you can't find him exactly. But this case actually
Speaker 1: kind of exposed a lot of I don't want to
Speaker 1: say weakness or errors in the Witness Protection program because
Speaker 1: like they had no idea how to handle like a
Speaker 1: teen like Brenda, who was kind of like young and reckless,
Speaker 1: and like even though like a psychological report on her
Speaker 1: recommended that she'd be closely monitored, she was not closely monitored.
Speaker 1: She was moved from an FBI safehouse in Silver Spring, Maryland,
Speaker 1: to Philly Kansas City, Minnesota. But like she'd be in
Speaker 1: safe houses, she'd be throwing parties, like while underwitness protection
Speaker 1: she invited gang member friends over. Like there'd be underage drinking, drugs,
Speaker 1: prostitution all happening at these parties.
Speaker 2: And they just weren't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not as it feels like in
Speaker 1: this case, and maybe in real life, who knows, it
Speaker 1: wasn't as locked up as like we take you to
Speaker 1: a farm in Wisconsin and you never see anybody you
Speaker 1: know ever Again, like she was contacting people she knew,
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of how she got sucked
Speaker 1: back in and sadly she just didn't realize that they
Speaker 1: knew she was working with the cops. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of Ellie's murder is based on
Speaker 1: that case. And then there's actually like a beautiful story
Speaker 1: that I think is the inspiration for part of Baby
Speaker 1: Noah's adoption. So in August of two thousand, Danny Stewart,
Speaker 1: a social worker, was going to meet his partner for
Speaker 1: dinner in New York City. He's on the subway. He
Speaker 1: gets off the train at fourteenth Street, the Ace stop
Speaker 1: at fourteenth Street, which I know you and I both
Speaker 1: are at have been at millions of times in Chelsea,
Speaker 1: and he thought there weren't a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the station at all. It was like semi deserted. He
Speaker 1: thought he saw a doll on the ground, but then
Speaker 1: he saw leg of the doll move and what he
Speaker 1: found was a newborn baby still with its umbulical cord
Speaker 1: wrapped up in a sweatshirt. So he calls nine one one.
Speaker 1: Then he calls his partner, Pete Mercurio, and when by
Speaker 1: the time Pete got to the station, NYPD was already there,
Speaker 1: and the police named the baby Daniel Ace Doe, like
Speaker 1: Ace but like that's the subway stop, but named them
Speaker 1: after Danny who found him. And so a citywide search
Speaker 1: starts for this baby's mother. All the local news platforms
Speaker 1: are covering it. Three months later, no luck, they do
Speaker 1: not find this baby. I mean, you have to assume
Speaker 1: this woman probably did not give birth in a hospital
Speaker 1: if the baby had still had the umbilical cord attached.
Speaker 1: Danny ended up at a family court hearing telling the
Speaker 1: judge about how he'd found the baby, and then suddenly,
Speaker 1: just like in the episode, the judge was like, would
Speaker 1: you be interested in adopting this baby? And he said
Speaker 1: to NBC New York he said, quote, I think everyone
Speaker 1: in the courtroom their jaws dropped. Everyone was quiet, everyone
Speaker 1: was looking at me. And I said, yes, but it's
Speaker 1: not that easy. And she said, well it can be.
Speaker 1: So even though he and his partner had only been
Speaker 1: dating for like three years. They hadn't really discussed plans
Speaker 1: for a family. Stuart told NBC New York. I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe this is destiny, Maybe this is divine intervention. This
Speaker 1: is a gift we're given, and how can we say
Speaker 1: no to a gift? So initially they thought, oh, this
Speaker 1: will take forever, all the paperwork, the legal hoops you
Speaker 1: got to jump through. But the judge like must have
Speaker 1: seen something in them, and a week after the initial
Speaker 1: court hearing, just a few days before Christmas, she was like,
Speaker 1: do you guys want to take him home for the
Speaker 1: holiday weekend? And he's been with them ever since. And
Speaker 1: they fostered the baby for two years and then they
Speaker 1: adopted him in December of two thousand and two. They
Speaker 1: named him Kevin. And later when Danny and Pete got
Speaker 1: married after gay marriage was legalized, that judge married them,
Speaker 1: which I love so sweet, And they asked her when
Speaker 1: they I guess they hadn't spoken to her in a
Speaker 1: few years, but then they asked her to marry them.
Speaker 1: And then they asked her, like, how were you able
Speaker 1: to like get us to adopt Kevin so fast? And
Speaker 1: she explained that at the time there was a pilot
Speaker 1: program in New York that gave her, as a judge,
Speaker 1: the power to expedite adoptions in certain cases of abandonment,
Speaker 1: and that allowed her to quickly place the baby in
Speaker 1: a home that she perceived to be a loving home.
Speaker 1: And that program sadly only lasted six months. And what
Speaker 1: the fuck, I don't know, but like it.
Speaker 2: We can't even have fucking libraries open on Sundays. I
Speaker 2: know why they shut it down.
Speaker 1: But it happened to fall within the six months that
Speaker 1: they found this baby and that this all went down.
Speaker 1: They just said it was like so many little miracles,
Speaker 1: like piled on top of each other, like oh, this
Speaker 1: program and this and that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So Pete, the partner who didn't find him but you know,
Speaker 1: raised him as dad, eventually wrote a book called Our
Speaker 1: Subway Baby that he calls quote a love letter to
Speaker 1: our son, which I love. It's available in hardcover and
Speaker 1: ebook and also in a Japanese translation, and I'm linking
Speaker 1: to it in our sources. And Kevin is grown up
Speaker 1: and is like twenty, you know, twenty three or four
Speaker 1: years old now. He graduated from Swarthmore, which is like
Speaker 1: truly the number one liberal arts college. It's like one
Speaker 1: of the top three in the country. And you know,
Speaker 1: the two dads have always said that they feel for
Speaker 1: Kevin's biological mom, and Pete told CNN quote one way
Speaker 1: or another, that's a desperate measure to take, and I
Speaker 1: can only imagine the anguish that was leaving your child.
Speaker 1: We've always told Kevin from a very young age that
Speaker 1: he was left out of love so that he could
Speaker 1: be found and cared for. We never use the word
Speaker 1: abandonment or abandon We said she left you where you
Speaker 1: could be found by us.
Speaker 2: End quote.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was like such a sweet story.
Speaker 2: I had never heard it before.
Speaker 1: And yeah, hopefully Kevin is just like living a great
Speaker 1: life with his two dads still. But there is in
Speaker 1: one of my sources a really sweet picture of them,
Speaker 1: like on a family trip and Kevin's like tall and
Speaker 1: cute and has these two cool dads and it's great.
Speaker 2: So well, and to have like a liberal judge, yeah
Speaker 2: totally isn't a big it. I don't know. It's just
Speaker 2: I wonder if family court judges have to be different vibes.
Speaker 2: But no, because we know about judges that were paid off,
Speaker 2: but that was just courts maybe it's different. I just
Speaker 2: I do wonder there was a reason the family court,
Speaker 2: like certain judges could expedite stuff. I am curious why
Speaker 2: it ended. Why wouldn't you want to get babies from
Speaker 2: trount like that have gone through traumatic things into a home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and.
Speaker 1: They said, like certain cases of abandonment. So it's not
Speaker 1: like they're just gonna be matching up random kids in
Speaker 1: the foster system to other parents, you know, It's like
Speaker 1: it has to be like fully abandoned. No family found
Speaker 1: like a three month search one on for this woman.
Speaker 1: But I'm just so glad that it happened during this
Speaker 1: pilot program because otherwise that kid could have just totally
Speaker 1: been fed into the system and instead he found this
Speaker 1: like very loving home. Not that there are not loving
Speaker 1: foster parents, which of course there are, and the system
Speaker 1: can work, but it also has a lot of problems,
Speaker 1: as we've covered many times on this podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that should.
Speaker 2: We get to our guests looking up the book Our
Speaker 2: Subway Baby, and it's ninety three percent five stars. But
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if the fucking one star
Speaker 2: one percent or some homophobic fucks I want it and
Speaker 2: then it was actually like, oh, it wouldn't download on
Speaker 2: my kindle the font was too small or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, that's good.
Speaker 1: Oh it's like an old person that can't use their kindle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was relieved. There. I love that. Yeah, damn,
Speaker 2: we never really get such heartwarming news on this podcast.
Speaker 1: But also like, yeah, we gotta be baby. You can
Speaker 1: leave a baby at a fire station the subway. It
Speaker 1: worked out. It worked out well, but that's the subway
Speaker 1: is busy though.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: They are going to be found a see.
Speaker 2: Fourteenth Street, They're gonna be found. Yeah, that's a busy's
Speaker 2: that is busy. Yeah, it might be me.
Speaker 1: Coming home from coming home from a show.
Speaker 2: I wonder how long the baby was even out there.
Speaker 1: I know he was he was when they found him.
Speaker 1: He was like in good health, breathing, you know, like
Speaker 1: everything he was. You know, I don't think that there
Speaker 1: was you know, critical care that he needed. But nice story. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into our interview. This is a fun one.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is an actor and a musician. Multi talented.
Speaker 1: You've seen him on poker Face, Gossip Girl, and Lights Out.
Speaker 1: He's also been on SVU four different times, always playing
Speaker 1: some sort of evil man, but you know him today
Speaker 1: as the not so little Little Tino. Guys, please enjoy
Speaker 1: our convo with the delightful gk Ume. We've had guests
Speaker 1: come to us so many different ways, Like I've met
Speaker 1: actors on the playground in La where I've like been like,
Speaker 1: you got to come to my podcast on a delta flight,
Speaker 1: or yeah, on a delta flight. One time we met
Speaker 1: a guest and you were one of our listeners, met
Speaker 1: you at a party and pitched us to you.
Speaker 6: Yes, she's well, she's actually a good friend of my
Speaker 6: sister and brother in law and so okay, she's kind
Speaker 6: of like over the years of me doing episodes of
Speaker 6: SVUSH and she's been like, okay, so tell me about
Speaker 6: this episode and what really happened with SO, and can
Speaker 6: you tell me is SO and SO going to live?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, I can't tell your stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, before it airs.
Speaker 6: And then she mentioned this podcast to me a while
Speaker 6: back and kind of piqued my curiosity and got me
Speaker 6: into it. And then as I was looking through, one
Speaker 6: of the first ones that I saw was an episode
Speaker 6: you did with an actor named Mark Taulman. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: it's actually like a loose friend of mine. But interestingly enough,
Speaker 6: we have like these multiple intersections career wise because he was.
Speaker 4: So he was. He's obviously been on SVU, which is
Speaker 4: why you got talk to him.
Speaker 6: But he did a show for NBC called State of
Speaker 6: Affairs with Catherine Heigel, and he and I were actually
Speaker 6: both cast for that because of how similar we look facially.
Speaker 6: We're both like similar complexion, shaved head. Yeah, except he's
Speaker 6: like six foot four, so he's you know, like half
Speaker 6: a head taller than me. But and for the episode,
Speaker 6: Catherine Heigel, I believe, if I'm not misremembering, her character
Speaker 6: fell in love with a guy who worked for the
Speaker 6: state department. He gets killed, and then she sees a
Speaker 6: video of a doctor working in like a doctor's without
Speaker 6: border setting, and that doctor is me and I get kidnapped,
Speaker 6: and that's like the pilot episode.
Speaker 4: The reason why she goes so hard in the paint.
Speaker 6: She's like, I gotta see I gotta save this guy
Speaker 6: if there's any way we can is because I'm reminding
Speaker 6: her of her deceased boyfriend, who maybe later in the
Speaker 6: season turned out not to be the season I don't know.
Speaker 6: I will confess I did not see the entire seasm,
Speaker 6: but something along that line. So he and I met
Speaker 6: and I was like, I think we got cast, because
Speaker 6: he's like, yeah, I think that's part of why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, small world. We're also both loose
Speaker 1: friends with Mark Tallman and I went to high school
Speaker 1: with Catherine Heigel.
Speaker 4: Oh really, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Really a lot of connects, a lot of connect You
Speaker 1: have had all these different parts, like because you were
Speaker 1: in the episode Educated Guests, where you were like a
Speaker 1: corrections officer captain, and then you're awakening Yes, yes, who
Speaker 1: who you know?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 4: Not the most scrupulous captain.
Speaker 6: I love the fact that he tries to pin off
Speaker 6: his role in the sexual assault that took place as
Speaker 6: like him just doing research for the job.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Which was a very funny moment on the show because
Speaker 6: they were trying to figure out a way to get
Speaker 6: the line that I delivered Danny Pino and Richard Belzer
Speaker 6: in the interrogation room, the late Great Richard Belzer.
Speaker 4: The line that I delivered to them.
Speaker 6: They rewrote it like five or six different ways because
Speaker 6: the census kept being like.
Speaker 2: It ended up being like below E can I speak
Speaker 2: freely here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: It originally it was and I didn't have sex with
Speaker 6: the It was just head, right, that was the original line,
Speaker 6: and they were like, no, you can't say that, so
Speaker 6: they can't say head.
Speaker 4: May I mean this is also I think I said.
Speaker 6: I think I said it was just a BJ, which
Speaker 6: like the part about that is like then it was
Speaker 6: just head sounds like the way that somebody would say
Speaker 6: it in real life saying it was just a BJ.
Speaker 6: Like by the third or fourth take, every time we cut,
Speaker 6: the crew was laughing.
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, there's.
Speaker 1: Like you're in high school.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's such a.
Speaker 6: Weird there's just right, there's no way to say that
Speaker 6: with gravitos, you know, So it became kind of a
Speaker 6: silly line, but it was fun.
Speaker 4: Uh, And that was that was a great episode of work.
Speaker 2: That is so fine. You mentioned Richard Belzer and I'm
Speaker 2: curious how it was to work with him. Then Terrogah like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what a special.
Speaker 6: Guy, Yeah, what what an incredible talent? And uh, I
Speaker 6: think actually truly, I didn't remember it at the time.
Speaker 6: So he interrogates me with Danny Pino in the Educated
Speaker 6: Guest episode where I was kind of like the false
Speaker 6: bottom back guy, you know, like I'm the bad guy,
Speaker 6: but not the real bad guy. You got to go
Speaker 6: through the floor to get to who really did something wrong,
Speaker 6: which is you know which also interesting that the star
Speaker 6: of the episode.
Speaker 4: Is Natasha Leon.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then I saw that you were in an
Speaker 1: episode of poker Face where you're in her You're in
Speaker 1: the band with Chloe seven year, which great episode.
Speaker 6: So that would be the second time that she sent
Speaker 6: me to jail so far in my career. But yeah, no,
Speaker 6: so that was great to get to work with her again.
Speaker 6: But so on that episode, I got interrogated by Belzer.
Speaker 6: But then in the Spring Awakening episode, I think that
Speaker 6: might be the last episode he did because.
Speaker 4: It was the last episode of season fifteen.
Speaker 6: And that's when like Danny Pino's character has had this
Speaker 6: whole thing where he up a guy and he was,
Speaker 6: you know, I ab was coming after him. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: then Belli actually bails him out, you know he's supposed
Speaker 6: to be in.
Speaker 2: Like, which is wild to me because the bail was
Speaker 2: half a million dollars and like, even if Belser retired,
Speaker 2: great invested great to have a loose half million is wild.
Speaker 6: If the bail was half a million, he's putting down
Speaker 6: fifty k, right, Yeah, he's bonding.
Speaker 2: Out for tempt Yeah yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 6: And so he bonds out with him and goes the
Speaker 6: other four fifty If Danny if Amaro's character skips, which
Speaker 6: you know he's not going.
Speaker 2: To right, Okay, So it's a little bit morelosible.
Speaker 4: It's still like fifty thousand cats to just be able
Speaker 4: to I got you, I got.
Speaker 1: You, especially a man with that many ex wives, Like
Speaker 1: he's got to be paying some you know, alimony, I
Speaker 1: feel like all over town. But so you who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was He left at the end of fifte
Speaker 1: of season fifteen, and then he had like a couple
Speaker 1: of little guests. Spot cameos later, but that was the
Speaker 1: end of like, you know, bellser as a regular, Munch
Speaker 1: as a regular.
Speaker 4: He was fan.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize I was. I was actually looking into it.
Speaker 6: Is he the same character on Homicide Life on the Street.
Speaker 6: He was right, He's the only.
Speaker 1: Right, he's been the same character on like four or five.
Speaker 2: He has the record of playing the same character different show.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, because I think he did like one episode
Speaker 1: of X Files where he played much like he's literally
Speaker 1: playing and I think he's been on The Simpsons and
Speaker 1: Sesame Street as Munch, like he's done like so many much.
Speaker 1: He's just everywhere, Yes, Munch forever. But yeah, so you
Speaker 1: went from being law enforcement to this like real piece.
Speaker 2: Of ship.
Speaker 1: And then and then you did a more recent episode
Speaker 1: where you play this like really not bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, you're the is he Are you the bad.
Speaker 1: Guy at the end of Tommy Baker's hardest.
Speaker 4: Fight at the end.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm the guy that you get to when you
Speaker 6: go through the false bottom, but I'm a more sympathetic
Speaker 6: bad guy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, because I was watching just
Speaker 1: your scene where you're confessing, not confessing where you're confessing
Speaker 1: the relationship, and I was like, so sweet they had
Speaker 1: this hidden relationship.
Speaker 2: But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to the end.
Speaker 2: I've only seen that one once. Wow. But you weren't
Speaker 2: a bad bad like the other guy did the murder,
Speaker 2: but you were you manipulated and hit the Well.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't die. He doesn't die. Oh yes, he
Speaker 4: lives the hardest fight, you know, but he doesn't die.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, so it's oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is his hardest fight, but not as hard as.
Speaker 4: Not the one.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You're in too many episodes.
Speaker 6: But you know what's funny about that is, so I
Speaker 6: have a daughter who's actually a freshman at UCLA right now.
Speaker 4: And oh my god, I started doing SVU.
Speaker 6: She was, I guess seven or eight years old at
Speaker 6: the time, and so, you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 6: I got this show. It's it's one of the biggest shows.
Speaker 6: It's a New York institution. It's a big deal me
Speaker 6: getting on this show. She said, oh, it's great, I
Speaker 6: can't wait to see it. I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: probably not going.
Speaker 4: To get to watch this one yet, you know.
Speaker 2: And so then has she seen it yet?
Speaker 6: Well, so then years go by, right, and and I
Speaker 6: do Little Tino two seasons later or three seasons later,
Speaker 6: and she's like, oh, you're going back to you great,
Speaker 6: So now I get to watch this one cause you're
Speaker 6: a little bit older.
Speaker 2: I was like, this one's this one's even right.
Speaker 6: And so finally, you know, when I when I did
Speaker 6: the Field Diaz character, which was two years ago, I think, yep,
Speaker 6: she's in high school, she's she's young woman. She can
Speaker 6: handle the subject matter, and she said, Oh, Proby, that's great.
Speaker 6: You finally get to play a good guy.
Speaker 4: I was, like.
Speaker 1: Good Red Harry technically a career criminal or corrupt law
Speaker 1: enforcement officer.
Speaker 4: But I'm still not a good guy.
Speaker 6: But I feel like I'm echoing ever closer to that
Speaker 6: neutral portion of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well now you're due for lawyers. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: to do for like either a lawyer or like a
Speaker 1: person somebody, a person who helps victims in some way.
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 1: So I could see you as a lawyer on that
Speaker 1: show for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we'll also, you know, as you age,
Speaker 6: you get into more of the kind of mature man
Speaker 6: of a certain age role.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 1: So this episode, did they bring you in to be
Speaker 1: Little Tino? So your first like, so tell us about
Speaker 1: getting stabbed to death or that.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I like to believe that that little
Speaker 6: Tino didn't actually die. Okay, you know, he survives those
Speaker 6: goes on, He you know, recuperates his life and becomes
Speaker 6: a credit to society. I don't know, maybe that's not
Speaker 6: in the cause for him, but that was you know,
Speaker 6: that episode was a lot of fun. There was there
Speaker 6: were a lot of moving parts, there we went that
Speaker 6: scene in the hotel. We actually shot that at a
Speaker 6: Times Square hotel over on like eighth Avenue and forty
Speaker 6: third I want to say, like forty third or forty fourth,
Speaker 6: and you know, we were out in the city doing stuff.
Speaker 6: You know, there's we we had a bunch of scenes
Speaker 6: at you know, over in at Chelsea Piers at their studio,
Speaker 6: but you know.
Speaker 4: We got to hop around a bit. Uh.
Speaker 6: That episode was donal Log's last episode of the show
Speaker 6: before he moved on.
Speaker 4: I think that's when he went to go do Vikings.
Speaker 6: Fantastic actor, such an interesting character as a human being
Speaker 6: and an incredibly gifted artist as well.
Speaker 4: And so he comes in, you know, we're talking for
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 6: We'd like done the table read where in our rooms
Speaker 6: there's like a bay where they have all the rooms
Speaker 6: for the talent, and obviously, you know the series regulars
Speaker 6: have their kind of wing. But then the special episode
Speaker 6: guest stars have another side that we were on and
Speaker 6: as he says, ah, yeah, GK, your last name Ume,
Speaker 6: I was like yeah, yeah, Ume, And I started to
Speaker 6: explain the you know, the origins of an.
Speaker 4: Amy's like that's Ebo right.
Speaker 6: I was like, yes, that is Ebo, which the Ebo is,
Speaker 6: you know, our nation within Nigeria. That's my my father's
Speaker 6: people are our tribes, so to speak. And usually, like
Speaker 6: at best for most Westerners, if they see my last name,
Speaker 6: they'll say, oh, is that African or they'll maybe even
Speaker 6: guess West African or Nigerian. But I think that's maybe
Speaker 6: one of two or three times in my life that
Speaker 6: somebody who is not of African descent came and said, oh,
Speaker 6: that's Ebo, isn't it. And I said, as a matter
Speaker 6: of fact, it is. And he said, hmm, my parents
Speaker 6: met in Warri. I was like, I'm like, did a
Speaker 6: double take, and I'm looking at him because you know,
Speaker 6: here's here's Danaal, who was you know, a near six foot, redheaded,
Speaker 6: clearly clearly Irish man. Yeah, and I'm like, do you
Speaker 6: mean Warri, Nigeria.
Speaker 4: And it turns out that his parents were involved.
Speaker 6: I don't want to mistell his story, but some some
Speaker 6: sort of like missionary work and they met over there,
Speaker 6: so he has, like I mean, he's just truly truly
Speaker 6: a citizen of the world. You know, he like speaks
Speaker 6: fluent Spanish. He's lived in many different countries, and so
Speaker 6: we really struck up a conversation and had a lot
Speaker 6: of fun working with him and just getting to know him.
Speaker 6: And then he was off to wherever, Scandinavia to shoot
Speaker 6: Vikings for a season immediately thereafter.
Speaker 4: But it was it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: And then you know, I got to hang out in
Speaker 6: an interrogation room with Iced Tea, which you know for
Speaker 6: like for Adolescent GK.
Speaker 4: That was like you know that fantasy camp.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was in an interrogation room with
Speaker 6: Iced Tea, like wrapping his lyrics back.
Speaker 2: To him, like you know, yeah, well he did.
Speaker 6: But so there's a song that he has on the
Speaker 6: Power album, which was like huge, huge album of the
Speaker 6: one of the biggest uh we West Coast hip hop
Speaker 6: albums of that era, even before n w A and
Speaker 6: uh there's a songwriter called high Rollers, and I started
Speaker 6: wrapping the lyrics.
Speaker 4: Back to him. He was like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Uh,
Speaker 4: actually that's not what that line is.
Speaker 6: I was like, he's like a lot of people think that,
Speaker 6: but it's actually speed of life because the light the
Speaker 6: line goes speed of life fast.
Speaker 4: It's like walking bare of foot over broken glass. But
Speaker 4: my entire life I thought it was speed of Light.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fast, and you think you know speed of life,
Speaker 6: Comma fast because the rest of the verse everything is
Speaker 6: like a first part set up in a second part description.
Speaker 6: That's the way he splits up all the rhyming couplets.
Speaker 6: And so I hadn't even picked it up because it's
Speaker 6: one of those things like I memorized it in my
Speaker 6: adolescent brain and never re evaluated what.
Speaker 4: I was actually. Yeah, so that was cool.
Speaker 6: So he corrected me on that, and.
Speaker 1: We all just kind of had to remember lyrics, like
Speaker 1: listen to them and memorize them. It's like now Spotify
Speaker 1: like every song, yeah, I can show you can kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, but we had to just kind of.
Speaker 6: Got down with the album wider notes and run it
Speaker 6: back and listen to it again.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get this song if it kills me.
Speaker 1: But your musical right used to do music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was actually my I came to New York
Speaker 6: as a musician. I came to New York as an
Speaker 6: MC and I was rhyming, and I was in live
Speaker 6: hip hop bands and I was doing MC battles and
Speaker 6: all of that type of stuff. So iced tea was
Speaker 6: like fundamental to my development as both a writer and
Speaker 6: as an artist and everything that came after. So that's
Speaker 6: why I say it was literally for me, Like there
Speaker 6: were a couple like Iced Tea, the Deo see Q Tip,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Chuck D from Public Enemy, Like
Speaker 6: those were like my foundational kind of hip hop educators
Speaker 6: as both you know, as far as tone and content
Speaker 6: and the type of things. I always like people who
Speaker 6: were somehow splitting that fine line between like politics, revolution,
Speaker 6: a little bit of the partying. But yeah, so that
Speaker 6: that was definitely like, Wow, I feel like I've actually
Speaker 6: come full circle now.
Speaker 1: But you play instruments too, right, I do.
Speaker 6: Actually I had to take down some of my guitars
Speaker 6: because I was getting too much echo in the room.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so I played, I played guitar, I play
Speaker 6: bass and sing a rap.
Speaker 4: I do all of that.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna get back a little bit to
Speaker 1: the episode and talk about Tino's wardrobe. Clock.
Speaker 2: They have a lot of a leather vest.
Speaker 6: I mean the best. Also, it was we were shooting
Speaker 6: that in like this time of year. It was because
Speaker 6: the last episode of season, so we're shooting that in
Speaker 6: like mid to late May. It was seventy eight eighty
Speaker 6: five degrees in the street and I'm walking around from
Speaker 6: my trailer back to set in a leather vest.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, this is.
Speaker 2: And fake tattoos? Right? Uh?
Speaker 4: No, I mean did they add tattoos?
Speaker 6: Those these are I think that one was actually all
Speaker 6: my tattoos.
Speaker 4: I don't think they Yeah, they might have done like
Speaker 4: did they do a tear drop?
Speaker 6: And I grew you know, I grew out like the
Speaker 6: chin strapped beard and all that, But I think the
Speaker 6: tattoos might all been mine on that.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, in your episode of poker Face, you're in
Speaker 1: a band, and are you really playing music with the
Speaker 1: band in that episode?
Speaker 6: So that episode, the guitarist in that band is a
Speaker 6: guy named John Darnell who's from a very well known
Speaker 6: band of.
Speaker 4: The Mountain Goats I believe is the name of the band.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and they've toured for like thirty years, like
Speaker 6: they're all over the world, and he is good friends
Speaker 6: with Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 4: He and his production partner wrote all that music.
Speaker 6: So that was all original music written by them, And
Speaker 6: so I auditioned for that.
Speaker 4: That was the like kind of the beginning of the.
Speaker 6: Era of of the modern self tape for me and
Speaker 6: auditioned for that in my kitchen right over there, and
Speaker 6: they were like, oh, can you also can you actually
Speaker 6: play bass?
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I play, babe.
Speaker 6: They're like, okay, put yourself on tape plane, you know,
Speaker 6: just laid down a couple of baselines. So I did it,
Speaker 6: sent it in and forgot about it. This is my
Speaker 6: That's like, I'm very superstitious. Like once I've done an audition,
Speaker 6: I don't talk about it anymore. I don't think about
Speaker 6: it again. That's how I make peace with myself. And
Speaker 6: if I hear something, it's a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But so I put it out out of side, out
Speaker 6: of the moon, and definitely more than a month, like
Speaker 6: six weeks went by and my agency called and my
Speaker 6: agent at the time, John was like, so, uh yeah,
Speaker 6: they they're gonna make you an offer for poker Face.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's amazing. Spence, which one was po
Speaker 4: poker Face?
Speaker 6: He's like, poker Face, Oh, it's this one and it's
Speaker 6: Ryan Johnson's the EP.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh great, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 6: And so you know, the Caston's gonna get in touch
Speaker 6: with you. You double check your size card and then.
Speaker 2: You had to like do rehearsals and like learn this well.
Speaker 4: So then so the.
Speaker 6: Check I still don't know, you know, I still don't
Speaker 6: remember what the show was. I don't remember the audition
Speaker 6: piece or the size or anything. And they they they,
Speaker 6: you know, they get touch with me from production. They
Speaker 6: send me all these details and they're like, cool, and
Speaker 6: our music supervisor is gonna be get in touch with you.
Speaker 6: He's gonna send you the sheet music if you want,
Speaker 6: but he'll get you audio files MP three's and songs
Speaker 6: and everything. So you know, just if you can just
Speaker 6: learn those between now when we start shooting and they
Speaker 6: gave it to me. Actually it's almost two years ago
Speaker 6: to the day, because they gave it to me the
Speaker 6: Thursday before Memorial Day weekend and we were starting shooting
Speaker 6: the tuesday after. Now, I play guitar every day. I
Speaker 6: haven't picked up my bass in years. Okay, So they
Speaker 6: send me and it's like three or four songs and
Speaker 6: they didn't send me as, they didn't send me any
Speaker 6: sheet music. They're like, here, cool, just learn it, because
Speaker 6: you know, I'm like, it's like the fake it till
Speaker 6: you make a thing, like yeah, whatever bass, anything you
Speaker 6: got on bass.
Speaker 4: I got it. I can play it for the role.
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
Speaker 6: If that's what you need, I'm your guy. And so
Speaker 6: I'd like had to learn these songs and then like,
Speaker 6: as I'm getting further than the process, they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: don't worry because the songwriter he's playing the other member
Speaker 6: of the band. So if I was like, oh, I
Speaker 6: really have to learn these songs because otherwise torturing the
Speaker 6: music of the guy.
Speaker 4: Standing next to me. So they went from zero to sixty.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: Suffice it to say, I spent my entire Memoriality weekend
Speaker 6: playing bass.
Speaker 4: But I got to set on Tuesday and I knew
Speaker 4: the song, so yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was a fun episode. And Chloe
Speaker 1: Savigny also fantastic a svu alum.
Speaker 6: Yep yep and and a fantastic talent, and she and
Speaker 6: Natasha obviously very close as well, so it was like
Speaker 6: kind of a homecoming for.
Speaker 1: Them and it was yeah, a little busties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That was great.
Speaker 2: How was it having all those kids on set? Do
Speaker 2: you remember it being kind of a madhouse of a
Speaker 2: ton of twins and parents and like, so what.
Speaker 6: They do in instances like that because they're for that
Speaker 6: shot specifically, there's so many kids, Like, there's not nobody
Speaker 6: superfluous is even in is on set for that. They
Speaker 6: shoot that completely separately to make sure that they can
Speaker 6: have you know, because there's very strict rules as far
Speaker 6: as like usage, how many you know, how much time
Speaker 6: you can have a baby on camera on set, et cetera,
Speaker 6: and going back to their chaperone slash parents, what have you.
Speaker 4: So I didn't. I wasn't even in the room for
Speaker 4: a year. I literally you know, I wish I could.
Speaker 6: I wish I could give you some juice there, but
Speaker 6: I literally, In fact, the way that scene ends there,
Speaker 6: you know, is Marishika is like search the house, He's
Speaker 6: here somewhere, right, and so then yeah, and then it
Speaker 6: cuts to me jumping out of the second story window
Speaker 6: onto the roof of a truck, down to the ground
Speaker 6: and running down the.
Speaker 4: Gangway behind the house. Right.
Speaker 6: So when they were going to shoot that, I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I've been working out a lot and I've
Speaker 6: been doing you know, they had just gotten into snowboarding,
Speaker 6: and I was doing like a lot more like acrobatic
Speaker 6: agile stuff. I had studied for a number of years
Speaker 6: at the USA Shatland Temple down in Chinatown, and I
Speaker 6: was like feeling I was feeling myself a little bit.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, Laurren, I want
Speaker 4: to do this stunt.
Speaker 6: I got this because like, yeah, we got to start
Speaker 6: the let's let's see how it looks on the day
Speaker 6: and if you're still feeling that, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 6: And they had this stunt double who was like a
Speaker 6: parkour specialist. I wish I could remember his name, Fantastic.
Speaker 6: I got a picture with him somewhere in my my Instagram,
Speaker 6: but fantastic guy. We got along really well and said
Speaker 6: very cool dude. But he had a full head of hair,
Speaker 6: you know, beautiful hair. And they were like and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: so I got to go get my hair shaped. I
Speaker 6: was like, what think I got this? You know, and
Speaker 6: he's like signed on part of his contract is he
Speaker 6: has to be willing to get his hair shaved. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'll make this guy shave this, you know, if he
Speaker 6: doesn't have to, if I'm going to do the stunt.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm feeling better and better I'm looking
Speaker 4: at it. He's like I'm like so how would you
Speaker 4: do it? Like what what? What? When you look at this,
Speaker 4: how would you break down this stunt? He's like, what's
Speaker 4: two moves.
Speaker 6: It's from the little roof of the porch down onto
Speaker 6: the truck, which is like make an eight foot drop,
Speaker 6: and then from the truck down to the ground, which
Speaker 6: is like a nine foot drop, right. And he's like,
Speaker 6: and I'll probably because it's a confined landing area on
Speaker 6: the truck, I'm not going to roll. I'll just you know,
Speaker 6: kind of like take the landing and absorb it and
Speaker 6: then I'll jump down to the ground, roll out and
Speaker 6: keep running. It's like, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: That makes a lot of sense. You know, I'm feeling
Speaker 6: again there's like the male answer brain that's like, yes,
Speaker 6: this is I feel like, you know, like ego is here.
Speaker 6: Reality might be here, but ego is like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: got this, you got this and the more. And now
Speaker 6: he just explained it to me, so I can definitely
Speaker 6: do it. So we get you know, we get there.
Speaker 6: It's now it's like we had to wait because it's
Speaker 6: an overnight shot, so we had to wait till the
Speaker 6: guy completely dark outside for continuity, and as it gets dark,
Speaker 6: just starts to drizzle ever so slightly, and now the
Speaker 6: roof of the truck is covered with the tiniest little
Speaker 6: beads of water.
Speaker 4: And so so it wasn't even warning.
Speaker 6: I think it was the second ad comes over, It's like,
Speaker 6: do you get what's this? Somebody saying that you wanted
Speaker 6: to do this stunt? You feel like if you've done
Speaker 6: parkoup before. I was like, you know, you better, you
Speaker 6: better tell the stunt guy he needs to shave his heads.
Speaker 4: Once I saw that water, I was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: not kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna like surf right off that Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he did it in one tape, oh man, in
Speaker 4: one take.
Speaker 6: And so the shot is he jumps out, he climbs
Speaker 6: out the window, jumps down off of the porch, jumps
Speaker 6: down off of the roof of the panel truck that
Speaker 6: they had coincidentally parked in the.
Speaker 4: Driveway, and then he runs up the gangway to this
Speaker 4: little garage. It's like eight feet tall.
Speaker 6: So then I shot that part run down gang way
Speaker 6: and like starting to climb up on the roof. Then
Speaker 6: he gets up on that roof, jumps over into an
Speaker 6: alley and tries to run away.
Speaker 4: And doesn't make it, and they they bag him in
Speaker 4: the alley.
Speaker 6: The the other Stunty, who was Kelly Giddish's double for
Speaker 6: that scene, she has to climb the roof after him,
Speaker 6: follow him, follow him up across the roof, jump off
Speaker 6: down behind the roof so they shoot the scene. He
Speaker 6: does the whole thing one take, she follows him one take.
Speaker 6: They do it and after the young cut she's like,
Speaker 6: I think I broke my ankle.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, jumped off the roof.
Speaker 6: She broke her broke her ankle. She rolled out of
Speaker 6: frame so as not to interrupt the cut. She didn't
Speaker 6: make a peep.
Speaker 4: And wait until it's a cut to like, yeah, madic,
Speaker 4: I think I broke my ankle. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: are some tough motherfuckers. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was just like I was so odd and I
Speaker 6: was like, yep, you are, y'all and made her from
Speaker 6: some different stuff because like having that presence of mind,
Speaker 6: like I understand being tough and being able to do it.
Speaker 6: I get that, but also like she was still thinking
Speaker 6: about the sh shot as she came to the realization
Speaker 6: that her ankle broke.
Speaker 1: God, I wonder if she's broken her ankle like ten times.
Speaker 4: She's like whatever was I mean, she's just such a
Speaker 4: bad as that.
Speaker 6: She was like, you know, she's like, yeah, at this job,
Speaker 6: it's anybody's like, oh my god, I'm so sick. You're like, hey,
Speaker 6: this is a job. This is what it is. Thank
Speaker 6: you so much. Did we get it? We got it awesome?
Speaker 6: You know, And that was it. And that was the
Speaker 6: take and.
Speaker 4: If and I watched it. I watched it today because
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 6: Oh, I remember how this and you could you would
Speaker 6: never be able to tell, never gave it away.
Speaker 2: Do you have something you'd like to plug or anything
Speaker 2: coming out with you?
Speaker 4: You know, I would love to.
Speaker 6: I'm actually working on an interactive media project right now,
Speaker 6: and I'm not allowed to say anything about it. There's
Speaker 6: an NDA that is ironclad and bulletproof. I think I
Speaker 6: have literally said as much as I could say without
Speaker 6: getting in trouble. I hope that saying that I'm working
Speaker 6: on a non unnamed project doesn't get me in trouble.
Speaker 6: But uh so, I'm very excited about that, having a
Speaker 6: lot of fun on it, but I'm not able to
Speaker 6: speak about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we'll have our po like our listeners follow
Speaker 1: you on Instain. I'm sure you'll be announcing it on
Speaker 1: your social channels. Thank you so much for I.
Speaker 4: Really appreciate you. It's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, little Tino, it must be so cool
Speaker 2: to get to work and then they're like, put on
Speaker 2: this little vest, get a fedora on your head, Like
Speaker 2: that seems awesome. I know. The idea of just like.
Speaker 1: A really badass like sex trafficker essentially wearing a tiny
Speaker 1: little vest is so funny to me. Sp you really
Speaker 1: kills it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really brought up a great point. Like the
Speaker 2: pimps are also known for fashion. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, is there ever just a pimp that's
Speaker 1: just wearing like a ratty track suit or like do
Speaker 1: they have to look maybe they have to look good
Speaker 1: to present a certain image of like how you yeah
Speaker 1: to each other. I can't believe he had to learn
Speaker 1: music to be in that episode of poker Face. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's like you never know the talents
Speaker 1: of these people that you see on television and what
Speaker 1: they're doing. I think we all assume that they're just
Speaker 1: like not playing instruments, like whatever. He's not only playing
Speaker 1: he's learning music.
Speaker 2: Well also sometimes like you know, I'm auditioning all the time,
Speaker 2: but I I rely a lot on my teachers, like
Speaker 2: I barely prepare and I'm just like trying to. And
Speaker 2: then I'm like, oh, there's people that are learning music
Speaker 2: over a weekend. You have to.
Speaker 1: Step it up, like there are people really in it.
Speaker 1: Like when you hear people that are like, well, the
Speaker 1: character's Italian, So I just like learned a little Italian
Speaker 1: over the weekend and threw that into my audition and
Speaker 1: you're like what the fuck? Like, yeah, people, that's how.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not a real actor because I'm like
Speaker 2: less prep for that I can do and get away
Speaker 2: with it is what I do. And then you hear
Speaker 2: about these people that are practicing for these auditions for
Speaker 2: so long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2: Wait did we already talk about hacks in the finale
Speaker 2: and all of that?
Speaker 1: Oh, and I watched it last night and I would
Speaker 1: love to talk about it and you cry or no,
Speaker 1: I didn't cry, but I went I went fuck. And
Speaker 1: I texted Hannah and said that finale fuck, like wow,
Speaker 1: Like I.
Speaker 2: Sent her way to Ernest of a text message that
Speaker 2: she did not respond to and I'm humiliated.
Speaker 1: Well, I sent her text and then I saw her
Speaker 1: stories and saw that she's literally at a party celebrating
Speaker 1: her special and was like, sorry, I think you're at
Speaker 1: a party for your special.
Speaker 2: Congrats on that, like and then I.
Speaker 1: Just backed out of the text chain, like Homer Simpson
Speaker 1: into the bush. He just have such a dynamic. It
Speaker 1: is beautiful to watch. The chemistry is amazing. It's so good.
Speaker 2: I was talking to someone because I keep bringing up
Speaker 2: hap Hacks and they they won't watch it because they
Speaker 2: auditioned for that part and didn't get it. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it wasn't yours to get get over it,
Speaker 2: like she's perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like everybody I know in the world auditioned
Speaker 1: for like the Jamie Lee part in Crashing. It's like
Speaker 1: you just can't, like, come on, we all went for that.
Speaker 1: Uh but what was I going to say?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I got offered one audition for that show,
Speaker 2: and I wrote to the team, I go, I talk
Speaker 2: way too much about him and I would be a hypocrite,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have to turn this audition down.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, but thank you very much.
Speaker 2: But thank you. Oh I mean some sort of integrity,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my friends was like, you'd be so great
Speaker 1: for this one role on the show, and I go, oh, really,
Speaker 1: And then when I saw it came out it was
Speaker 1: Marissa Janet Winnaker or whatever the like Broadway girl. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, think they gave it to
Speaker 1: someone else. But what was I going to say?
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of Broadway, we got yelled at for not
Speaker 2: bringing up Aaron Villette right to fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah is that at a live.
Speaker 2: Show, because I don't think we've done an episode he's in.
Speaker 1: But I was just watching Svie because that's what we like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was watching Personal Fouls and then I
Speaker 2: saw this guy and I went, this is one of
Speaker 2: the hottest people I've ever seen in my life. And
Speaker 2: then I googled it and it's Eron Viette. And now
Speaker 2: I understand why everyone was mad that we didn't talk
Speaker 2: about him, because he is the hottest person ever.
Speaker 1: And what's hilarious is like, when we do our live show,
Speaker 1: don't I say that I can't memorize his face.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think, I'm like, this is.
Speaker 1: This guy that everybody's obsessed with. I can't memorize his face,
Speaker 1: like I just can't remember him, like he won't stick
Speaker 1: in my brain.
Speaker 2: No, I got giddy and I followed him immediately. I
Speaker 2: was like, I guess I'm going to a Broadway show.
Speaker 2: I like, obviously he has a beautiful wife. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I the listeners were right, yeah, hi. Wait And another
Speaker 2: thing that listeners.
Speaker 1: Another thing listeners just pointed out to us that I
Speaker 1: would like to do a clarification on when we did
Speaker 1: last week or two weeks AGO's episode Possessed and we talked.
Speaker 2: About buzz from home alone.
Speaker 1: We do not google every single person that is in
Speaker 1: an episode of s View that we're covering. I look
Speaker 1: up their IMDb sometimes I see if they're still working.
Speaker 1: I did not google him, and I did not realize
Speaker 1: that he is like under there's an investigation into domestic
Speaker 1: abuse for him or something like that. And I just
Speaker 1: I apologize, like, we just cannot. I cannot. I do
Speaker 1: not have the time to do that kind of vetting
Speaker 1: of every person we mentioned. So when I said, oh, honey,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, he's working, he's booked and blessed.
Speaker 1: I did not mean to avoid criminal goings on in
Speaker 1: h I didn't know, yeah, I would obviously be like
Speaker 1: buzz your behave your woof you.
Speaker 2: Know, like I guess from now on, any man we
Speaker 2: talk about we have to see if they're a criminal
Speaker 2: or not, like do you beat your wife? I mean,
Speaker 2: who we have, We're gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to hire a special Google assistant to google every
Speaker 1: man that we ever talk about on the show and
Speaker 1: go let us know if there's ever been an allegation
Speaker 1: or currently because it's simply man or bear, guys man
Speaker 1: or Bear, Oh my god, the manor Bear. So let
Speaker 1: should we get into I mean, this was a this
Speaker 1: was a wild episode. We are like just to get
Speaker 1: finished up our post mortem here. We are going to
Speaker 1: cover more of the whole like Johnny d Little Tino
Speaker 1: situation in the future, so stay tuned for that. But
Speaker 1: obviously seeing a burnt Ellie Porter not our favorite thing.
Speaker 1: Uh constantly a haunting memory. But I do love Baby Noah.
Speaker 1: It's just the gruesomeness and that's why this show. It's like,
Speaker 1: we know that the world is depraved and bad and
Speaker 1: people are living just such different lives, but when you
Speaker 1: see that and even like the green light on her,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's sad. It's just fucked up, Like
Speaker 1: just to live a life of such pain really upsetting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the true crime as well, I mean, like
Speaker 1: this girl thought that these people were her family and
Speaker 1: her friends and they were, but like their code of
Speaker 1: ethics like demanded that she be brutally murdered. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. Okay, let's get into what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg Do, which is our weekly segment where we direct
Speaker 1: you guys towards a article, an organization, a podcast episode,
Speaker 1: something to give you more info about what we talked
Speaker 1: about today and this week, I really just wanted to
Speaker 1: point out the book that we talked about in the episode.
Speaker 1: It's called Our Subway Baby. I think it's like a
Speaker 1: super sweet little story about their true story. But also
Speaker 1: for anyone that you know, has an unconventional family or
Speaker 1: you know, find like finds their way into parenthood in
Speaker 1: a way that's not like the way the regular way
Speaker 1: that we think of. I think this could be a
Speaker 1: sweet book to like read to your kids or you know,
Speaker 1: and just like the power of acceptance. And it's written
Speaker 1: by Peter Mercurio, the husband of the man who found
Speaker 1: the baby in the subway, and it's illustrated by Leo Espinoza.
Speaker 1: People love this book, so we're gonna put that as
Speaker 1: usual in our what would Sister Peg Do. It'll be
Speaker 1: in our stories the day this episode comes out, and
Speaker 1: then our what would Sister Peg Do? Highlight that's on
Speaker 1: our Instagram page, which is that s Messed Up pod.
Speaker 1: Go follow us over there if you have a moment.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: heartwarming story. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're so focused on the burning and the gang,
Speaker 2: but that one was that was really it.
Speaker 1: Was a little bit of likeness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and next week we will be doing Infiltraded season eight,
Speaker 2: episode six, so watch that be with us.
Speaker 1: We're obsessed with all of you and say hi when
Speaker 1: we see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love you guys. See you next week. I get
Speaker 2: texts later and I'm like, I need a heads up
Speaker 2: so I can not look as insane in soul Cycle.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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