WEBVTT - Spring Awakening w/ G.K. Umeh 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.560 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.399 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:27.720 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.600 Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. My name is Lisa, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.680 my name is Kara, and welcome to our podcast about 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.159 the greatest television show that has ever been on television, 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.440 Law and Order SVU. We talk an episode we Talked 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.760 the True Crimates based on we talked to a special guest. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.720 We got a fun one today and first we chat 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.240 and catch up. And it has been a wild little 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.800 bit of time since we've talked, because it is. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.240 But what happens is every time, it's like with life, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.720 I think of something like, ugh, I gotta talk about 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.720 it on the intro, and then I don't write it 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.240 down because I think I'll remember it, and then of 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.440 course I don't remember it, Like why it's delusion over 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.160 and over again for decades, like you're not going to 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:10.759 remember it. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.360 And just so you guys know, we want to keep 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.759 things authentic for you. So I will ask Lisa something 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.360 and she'll be like, let me tell you. On the 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.400 pod because she wants you guys to hear me react 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.360 because if she tells me something like overtext or on 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.039 the phone, like we're not going to repeat it like 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.480 a reality show on the intro, so that I have 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:29.920 to like fake my reaction to it. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:30.240 Again. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.600 So now this is like truly where we catch up 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.640 and I have not. Yesterday we recorded for three hours 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.679 and I couldn't be like, how was your special taping? 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.720 Like I literally, I mean obviously we checked in about that, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.360 but I haven't heard a lot of the details. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.120 Wow, No, there was one wild story and there's like 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.560 a photo proof, and so I wanted to get your 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.920 reaction live for the listeners. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.200 And I also literally just yesterday I forgot Sydney posted 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.480 you walking out on stage four it and I hadn't 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.080 even seen a full of the outfit. Well yeah, of 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.160 course she kept being like can I post it? Can 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.040 I post it? And I ignored her and didn't respond 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.520 for well, she finally went ahead, and thank god, because 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.200 like I had no idea what the look was because 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.280 I saw a few pictures, but I could tell that 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.240 it wasn't the full look like you had taken something 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.919 off or like, wow, you were well we'll fully get 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:18.320 into that. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.600 But also I went to Michelle Buteau's taping that like 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.440 two days later at Radio City, and then the next 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.760 day we were like catching up on the phone. No 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.200 big deal, but I was like, how are you feeling? 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.520 And she goes truly dead inside, I feel nothing. I'm 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.679 like I felt the same way. Oh my god. Really afterwards, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.519 I felt nothing, and everyone obviously wanted to have really 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.440 kind reactions, and I was just like, truly, I would 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:40.760 sit in. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.000 A dark, cold room alone right now. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.000 I need it, Like I don't know what it is, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.920 but it felt reassuring that someone else also. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.840 I think it's because you just like gave it all 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.160 out there and you just had nothing left. How did 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.720 you feel the day after your wedding? 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.919 Hopefully not nothing, but I was just wondering because that's 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.720 what I related to, because there was like flowers. I 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.320 don't know, Yes, I well, I cried. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.480 I was so sad it was over because I planned 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.240 it all myself, like I spent so long working on it. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.680 I'm like a bitch when things are over. Rosi's last 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.800 day of school was yesterday, and I was like crying 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.239 for her, like, you know, she doesn't even give a shit, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:14.920 and I'm like. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.720 Oh school, oh a bitch that way I thought you 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:17.920 like screamed at a teacher. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.359 No no, no, no no no no. Like I was like, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.800 like I just I get sad when things are over. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.600 I used to cry when my recitals were over, even 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.360 though I was like gonna do dance again in the fall. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.600 Like I just was like always sad when I used 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.560 to cry when TV shows would end. Every time I 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.799 watched a series finale, I would like die. I mean, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.200 I don't know when things end. I get very I 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.560 mean that doesn't feel like that's a revolutionary, but I'm 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.640 I think, like I get it. I get it. Like 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.120 also because I just feel like that's how you are, 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.960 Like you just fucking probably gave it all for two 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.240 full shows and then you were like give me, get me, Like, 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.240 let me just like be in a room, you know, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.120 with like my laptop and some Seinfeld. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.560 Yeah. Yeah, So I'll tell you the story that I've 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.840 been waiting to tell you. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.119 So I'm excited. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.520 I put a list of stylists together, I send it 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.560 to the production company. They each other like this one 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.160 dude said he wants he's so interested and he wants 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.360 to make you a custom piece with this designer he 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.680 works with I. Of course, I've been following this guy 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.200 for years. I go, I would love to work with him. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.200 I would love a custom piece. Amazing. So I go 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.719 to the first meeting and there's no suspicions for me 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.880 because I've seen their resume, Like I see the stuff 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.719 that they have made it done, so I couldn't have 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.840 ever assumed that they were full blown grifters. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.560 So I'm like, literally, my heart is seizing right now. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.279 Oh yeah, because I have been talking to you through 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.680 fitting after fitting, and now I can't I okay, go. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 So the first thing they bring out a rack. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.920 We go through it while the guy's drawing, and I'm 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.800 saying what I like, what I don't like. The fact 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.599 of the matter is this guy he's an archivist. He's 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.400 not a stylist, and he needs to take it off 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.719 of his resume. We put him on do not workless 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.800 all over town at this point, and I'm gonna tag 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.919 him because he doesn't seem ashamed of his work. I 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.760 can't wait for you to see this photo. So I 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.440 am also a procrastinator. I know working with artists like 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.039 I believe in them and the process, so I just 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.960 kept trusting it. Like pieces weren't ready, but I was 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.680 like okay. And then the issues started to arise when 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.400 I was like, so, what kind of tights? And they 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.200 were like, oh, day of, We'll just try a bunch 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.840 of tights on at the set. And I was like no, no, no, no, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.760 no no, there's no day of, Like I need to 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:34.240 be relaxed, shill like, no day of, and they kept 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.000 I go, no, Friday is the deadline. I tape Tuesday. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.600 Friday is the deadline. I need my full outfit done. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.920 And then it's weird, you're a stylist, but like I'm 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.600 running around getting the shoes, I'm getting the stuff. I'm 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.440 like running around getting bodysuits, and I'm like, what is 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.159 going on? So then Julia comes down to the second 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.120 or the third to last fitting and we make it 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.280 clear Friday is the final day. Get your shit done. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:01.719 I show up Friday, the designer is hours late. We're 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.640 like wasting all this time. And then the final moment 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.800 hits me that this is all a mess is our 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.200 friend Sydney comes with because she's doing seth Meyers, So 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.160 I go, why don't you check the racks. Maybe you'll 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.640 find like a fun designer outfit. She asks for a 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.160 full length mirror. He doesn't have one. The stylist does 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.040 not have a full length mirror. And there are you meeting? 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.719 Are you like at his place of business, like his studio. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:25.400 He's a NEPO. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.000 His mom owns a two story home on the water 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.800 in Williamsburg. Here we go, there we go. The amount 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.320 of times he name dropped I Spice and Lena Dunham. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.560 I like, I wish I got a dollar for every 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.039 time he said those two people's names. So there's a 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.520 photo of my face. At the final fitting, the designer 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.279 lost all the buttons. Everything is handstitch. The sleeves aren't done, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.320 the buttons aren't done. It's not pressed. I keep telling him. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.640 I go, my arms are tight. I can't move. They're like, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.039 it'll be fine. I go no, no, Like I have to 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.920 feel free. I have to move my arms. I'm doing 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.240 stand up comedy. There was also like mesh in the 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.080 back and Julia goes, we can see the tights through 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:03.559 the mesh. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.840 What are we gonna do? Oh, it doesn't matter, no 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:06.440 one we'll see that. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.480 And she takes them aside and has to like fully 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.920 like punish them, like being like like how you're play 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.320 on that, and they're like, don't worry, everything will be done. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.600 But I'm falling apart my specials. In four days, I 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.160 have no outfit, nothing is done. He's lost the buttons 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.840 and they're gaslighting me, and I'm like, what is happening? 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.640 So the EP hires a stylist Friday night, a different one. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.960 I woke up Saturday at six in the morning because 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.720 I was so stress stressed. At eight am, I get 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.240 a deck from her, and it's not exactly what I want, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.960 but I'm like, okay, okay, six thirty pm. We have 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.400 a fitting clothes everywhere. The second outfit I put on 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.680 is the outfit I ended up wearing. She nailed it, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.680 killed it. The moment she took out a bag of 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.200 safety pins. I go, this is a professional, like a 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.040 professional attention to detail, moving stuff, trying so like an act. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.120 She's been in the business for twenty five years, she's 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.320 worked in TV, is a daily stylist for many celebrities, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.000 like a legit person, and it felt so comforting to 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.280 just be with a professional, and this outfit was more 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:09.360 like just me. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.960 But elevated instead of to costume. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.560 But also she looked at the photos that was showing 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.560 her and she goes, that's a cheap fabric. That's not 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.480 real silk. They lied to you. But also, why would 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.440 you wear that silk for a live performance. You would 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.040 sweat through it like no actual person would do it. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.760 And I don't think they realized the magnitude of this moment. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.720 I think they picked other jobs over this one and 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.960 focused on that. They weren't listening. They did not care, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.360 They did not care about me, the show, the client. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:35.840 Nothing. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.720 For the thousands of dollars that they were getting paid, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.800 I could have bought a Versachi outfit. Yeah, okay, So 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.560 now I'm going to show you the sketch to what 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.880 I received. Are we gonna be able to post this? 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:48.800 Oh yeah, I want to tab that they don't see 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.720 a stake. Okay, okay, if I'm gonna, oh, they'll be tiktoks. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.600 I just this is okay case so you could take 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.600 your mic off too. So this is sketch to final outfit. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:05.680 Oh my god, that is completely insane. And then me, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.680 this is what I got. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.920 Oh, oh my god, I'm gonna show you the puckering, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.679 but you also went to look at the fitting. Look 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.959 at this, and it's like, this is like Prouday, is 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.040 like a high school student could do. Like that's in 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.040 a fashion class. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.240 That's what I was gonna say. I was like, I 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.319 was gonna say, this looks like something somebody wore when 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:26.640 I was in Once Upon a Mattress. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.320 Yea, yeah. Everyone keeps saying it's like what you would 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.520 wear to, you know, the Wizard's school in Wicked. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.080 And I don't think of you as like a big sweater, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.200 but she's right, like even a little bit of like 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.440 pitt sweat. If you raised your arm, it would have which, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.880 by the way, they made it so you couldn't raise 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.720 your arm. Maybe that was part of the plan. Fuck dude, Okay, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.520 we're gonna sorry. This is probably annoying if you're listening. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.120 So they made it in twenty four hours. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.679 So Friday they like, is the fitting, Nothing is ready. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.520 And then by Saturday night I had a dress and 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.240 it's like, oh, so we've been doing fittings for over 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.040 a month. You made this outfit in a day and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.880 it looks like shit, we know you didn't go to 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.679 the special button person. You said you were supposed to 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.360 go to and basically the designer he's twenty one, like 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.360 it was the stylus job to keep him on track 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.600 or find plan B or just. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.600 Work like, get what are you doing? 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.959 It was Yeah, honestly, everyone said that I handled it 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.440 pretty good, and our girl Candace like killed it on 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:23.080 hair and makeup. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.800 I felt like so pretty. This is like me on 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.480 the trial. Oh yeah, your makeup and hair looked gorgeous. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.520 But this is my face at the final fitting, Lisa, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:37.320 this is a blessing, Like thank God, Like nothing sewn, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.240 nothing ready, everything handstitched. So what the what the lady 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:41.760 got you? 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.440 The new woman like was that like that was like 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.880 ready to wear stuff or she had something made for you. No, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.320 there was no way. So right, it was like a 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.199 Zara top. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.480 The leather jacket was like expensive, and then the skirt 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.840 was this brand called Aqua. I work out pants from them, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.640 and oh yeah, adda is it? They have dresses that 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.080 blew me that I've cried on and it was blooming yes. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.440 Yeah, But Lise, that either your face you look like 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.320 you're on the verge of tears. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:08.960 I mean, you look so down. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.560 But I got to give it to you, because I 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.960 think I've seen you get more mad at like hotel 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.800 employees that don't let us check in on top like early. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.480 So the fact that somebody could have ruined this moment 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.679 that you've truly been working for for fifteen years and 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.680 you only look like that in that photo is actually 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:26.400 surprising to me. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.440 Like, no, because I kept saying I had mental breakdowns, 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.680 and Sydney kept going, you really kept it together. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.840 Julia's like I would be in a all crying and 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:34.320 I go. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.960 Yeah, I just trusted the people, and then once Saturday happened, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.200 it was just like so calm. But Saturday morning, I 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.319 was just buying like thousands of dollars of dresses, paying 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.520 for like expedited shipping, returned all of them obviously. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:52.640 Yeah, of course, but I just was, oh my god, nervous. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.160 I'm like, I can't believe you did not text. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.319 Me about any of that. I don't know well, also 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.000 no apologies, no knowledgement, and basically did. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.480 You leave it with them where you like, fuck you, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.000 I'm not wearing your bullshit on my thing, bye forever. 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.280 Yeah, they never reached all the EP because my thing 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.520 was like I also don't want to pay them and 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.720 so that's a different thing, Like I don't know if 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:13.680 I'll be able to get out. 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.320 Of that or not, but you absolutely will not pay them. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.640 Well, I don't know what product, Like, I don't know 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.480 what if there was a cont like I don't know, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.480 but they did not deliver it, so they're dealing with it. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.120 But I just didn't want to stress, like I just 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.600 it was important for me to keep it chill because 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.440 of me. But then thinking about the two of them 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.280 day of, they're so chaotic, like like this woman was 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.400 shooshing me picking the tank like everything mattered. She has 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.480 had static spray, you know, like a real professional, And 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.160 I can't even imagine them being there. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.520 They did not care about me. They did not care. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:50.480 And he chose to do a music video and he 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.400 made twelve suits for this music video and obviously it's 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:54.959 a famous person's music video. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.160 But it's like, you guys chose the wrong thing, like 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:57.960 go fuck yourself. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.320 But oh, I'm gonna make a full TikTok, you know 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:07.320 the noises where it's like like whatever versus what I got? Yeah, yeah, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.520 And I'm gonna tell like if you're not embarrassed, then 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.680 I'll fully tag you and all of it. How about 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.680 that you should write what I paid hundreds of dollars 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.040 for and had five fittings and spent hours of my 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.800 life collaborating draw on versus what I got. And he 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.520 made it out like yeah, clear to be like, you know, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.600 you're not even paying my full rate and it's like yeah, no. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.240 One is like I don't know what to tell you. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.480 But the minute you said NEPO, it all became clear. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.679 But a liar like so his uh, his grandfather is 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.760 an artist that has a mural at the train stop 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.080 outside of the MoMA. Wow, but he kept talking about 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.040 how poor he was. I should have obviously known that's 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.920 an EPO. Yeah, I don't think. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:46.199 It's to work. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.280 And then it was just I should have my spidy 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.120 senses should have gone out sooner. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.440 But I was trusting the process. But thank god. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.760 And then everyone that was there was just such a 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.280 professional and sooga at their job. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.360 I really was so chill. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.080 I didn't have to think about anything because everyone just 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.800 nailed it in like such huge ways. And also the director, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.440 I don't know if you know Tom sick, I do, Okay, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.640 So he moved to Florida. I've never seen someone look 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.360 hotter after they moved to Florida. He moved to Florida, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.400 he got married and had a kid and his family 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.120 was down there. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.400 So yeah, but he can kind of go anywhere. He 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:24.120 just travels. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.000 He's working on an HBO show now, Like it's fine, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.720 but everyone wanted to fuck him. It was wild. At 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.800 the after party, everyone kept being like, who is that? 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.040 He is married, but I've just never seen Florida give 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.440 someone a glow up like him. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.080 Wow. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.000 Maybe he just needed a little vitamin D you know, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.280 he just needed like a little bit of sun. I 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.200 was like, damn, fine, that is so fucking funny. That 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.960 is so funny. I'm so excited. I can't wait. Obviously, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.720 everybody keep your ears and eyes and everywhere. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.280 That came and it just felt like, yeah, the two 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.120 shows were so I know, it was the classic, Like 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.960 the eight o'clock I got everything I needed, And then 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.560 ten o'clock was like fun, loose, yeah and fun, and. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.360 You'll just edit together a mix of the of the 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.880 stuff you need and the loose. Yeah, I'm gonna get 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.360 the first cut this week. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.400 Ah. And then but I haven't watched the full two 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.400 hour because that's a nightmare. I'd rather watch the cut 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.520 and then go back and like see what I need 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.520 to change. I'm like, I can't watch these blind I mean, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.720 I don't watch anything like a man puts out my clips, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:26.600 like I don't want to watch anything. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.120 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.480 You have to let me watch a cut. I want 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:30.720 to watch a cut. Can I watch a cut? 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:32.240 Yeah? 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.200 If you want to, I can't. Let me watch one 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.200 on Adult Flight. So that was like the disaster, and 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.600 then everything else was just great. You know, our friend 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:45.480 mind Tucker was there taking pics and she's great. But also, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.520 and I don't know if I should be spreading Michelle's 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.480 news like that, but it's just hard not to be 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.120 a straight size because she also is getting a custom 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.480 look made by a very famous designer I'm not going 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.880 to say his name. Two weeks before her special at 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.440 Radio City, he backed out and was like, sorry, I 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.400 can't do it, and she had to get a customed. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.680 She looked incredible. The designer that ended up doing her look, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.800 she looks perfect. Yeah. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.600 Perfect. I literally wrote on her Instagram, like I texted 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.480 her after a thing and she was like, she said 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.360 it was good, but like I was like on her 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:21.520 Instagram yesterday her hair looked fucking incredible, incredible. You know, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.240 I'm a hair girl and I just fucking was like 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.160 this hair out of this world. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.520 Yeah, but I was like, I can't believe you can 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.480 be as successful as her be at Radio City and 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.040 still get fucked over in this weird. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.360 Way, haven't you? And I talked about this many times. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.360 Most people are bad at their jobs. Like I think 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.920 that you're like lucky when you encounter people that are 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.800 good at their jobs. Like I think a lot of 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.080 people are bad at their fucking jobs. There's a lot 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.600 of faked so that you make it. I know people 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.640 that are executives that don't have a fucking brain in 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.480 their head, but they knew how to yes the right 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.800 people and like get up there, you know, Like it's just, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.280 but it is concerning when it's like someone that actually 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.119 produces a product like fashion, because you're like, oh, I've 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:04.480 seen it. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.240 A good job. Yeah yeah, it was wild. But now 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.200 at one point though, like after that fitting, we actually 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.440 looks like on the phone doing the you know, crisis 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.840 management with EP trying to hire someone new, and I 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.000 was just like Olivia poping for you, having a drink 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 at the bar, and then we ended up like having 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.960 some drinks, eating whatever, and then by the end of 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.920 the night, I was laughing so hard. I was crying 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.440 on a street corner because it was and yeah, it 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.520 ended up. You know, it's just gonna be a fun 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.120 I feel everything went well. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.760 But yeah, and it was probably like just a wave 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.040 of adrenaline, like you were spent after but then by 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.280 the time you had a little bit of fun with 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.119 your friends and like loosened up again, you were like, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:49.720 this is the best night of my life, you know. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.080 Yeah, but I was so tired. I went to bed 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.200 at ten pm that night because I canceled my shows. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.080 I had three shows that night. I was like, honestly, 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.560 I can't even the night after no, that Friday, like 0:17:58.600 --> 0:17:59.040 it all. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.400 This was like a long Friday. Oh oh, the Friday 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.119 of the fucking disaster. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I uh. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.920 I was like, oh, I can't, I can't do anything. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:09.960 I can't. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.760 I was just like, I actually need to just. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:13.200 Go to bed. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:14.840 Yeah, and I did. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.439 But you know, it is one of those things where 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.639 I felt over prepared that I wasn't really stressed. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.640 I'm like, I know these goddamn jokes. I've been doing 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:24.080 them for fun. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:24.960 Yeah yeah, over a. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.600 Decade, yeah yeah, and like it's fine. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.679 Oh and I'd like to make an announcement to everyone 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.520 that came to the New Orleans shows, thank you so much, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.560 obsessed with you. Because of the Saturday ten PM show, 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.399 the venue is changing their frozen espresso martini recipe because 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:45.080 you guys were such menaces, so what congratulations? You were 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.480 so drunk they had to change the recipe of their 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:49.240 in house drink. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.000 What's in it? I mean I had one and I 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.160 was tipsy, Like it was good. No, It's like there's 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.919 this place called Alta near NYU, like university place in 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.320 like tenth or something, okay, and it's like it's delicious. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.840 It's like Spanish tapas. They're seeing Angria. I think they 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.320 put vodka in it, which is like not a Sangria thing. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.800 I don't I can't say for sure. If you have two, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.439 you're like blacked out and they're so beautiful. They come 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.280 in like a big tall wineglass and the color is 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.359 like this light purple, like they're gorgeous. You have two, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.879 and I've like been on the street being like what's that? 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.240 Like just randomly talking to fuck that people, Like after 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.240 two of them like you get absolutely blacked from them. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:28.360 So I don't know. The recipe. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.720 Could be vodka. I'm extra vodka. Maybe there's grain in 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.879 their espresso Martini's. That's crazy. I love you making history 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:36.520 in New Orleans. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.160 Well because one girl, and I'm sure you're listening, because 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.080 you told me eight hundred times that you listen to 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.880 the podcast. But in the middle of the show front row, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.919 I'm doing jokes, and she just kept heckling, going, I 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.000 love your podcast. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.080 I fall asleep to your podcast. Oh my god, that's 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.280 like very flattering. But guys, time and place like, let's 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.320 all just take a look around and do a time 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:58.000 and place check. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.760 Then her friends were wasted, and then I guess her 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:05.560 friends were puking outside of the oh the dumpsters, but 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.520 the staff of the venue was taking out the trash 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.080 and they didn't see her there and they accidentally heaved 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.960 the trash into the puking girl. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.040 Oh my god. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.440 Yeah, what the fuck? What a night? Yeah, this mom 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.720 daughter duo was out of control. I mean, people were 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:24.800 out of control. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.119 I love the mom daughter duos that come to our shows. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.840 They're fun. They are fun. My mom could now. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.960 Not when they're wasted we're already at twenty. I saw 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.399 Spike Lee on my street. I don't know if I 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.560 already told you that he was scouting. There was all 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.840 this crew, and then a few days later I saw 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.680 him again filming, so obviously they were out and about, 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.439 but he was crossing the street as I was dropping 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.840 off my laundry and I just smiled really big and 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.399 gave him a peace sign, and he nodded and smiled. Yeah. 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.040 I was really so fun, a little fun little interaction. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:59.240 Yeah he's so little, Yeah he looks he looks like 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.040 a tiny man. Can you please talk? 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.160 I've really talked for so long, but thank you for 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.400 going on that journey. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.640 Listen, it's been twenty minutes. I wanna we should wrap 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.240 up and get going to the episode. I do just 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.080 wanna please say. I do just want to say that 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.880 I lost a very dear friend of mine last week. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.840 And he's somebody who I have talked about on this 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.240 podcast a lot. His name is Jed. He was my 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.720 dear friend from third grade. We were both biggest gossip 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.919 in high school together. He sold merch at our first 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.359 LA show. He was one of my biggest supporters and 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.800 Lisa's biggest supporters. He loved our podcast and he supported 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.760 me and everything I did. And yeah, we he had 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.000 a you know, an aggressive form of cancer that came 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.280 on really fast, and we thought we had more time 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.639 with him. So I guess I'm not really trying. I 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.399 just wanted to give him a shout out because I 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:49.920 feel like people have heard me talk about him on 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:50.760 the podcast before. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.439 But also just like. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.520 Hug your friends and tell him you love him, because 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.720 you just never know when you won't be able to anymore. 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.320 And I don't to bring it down because we had 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.520 a really funny conversation about your fashion blunder. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.280 But no, and it's not I mean, it's really sad, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.000 but I think thinking about Jeed as a person is joyful. 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:12.200 Yes, he was. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:17.159 Really funny, really like down to gossip, like down to 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.440 talk shit. He loved TV, he loved pop culture, drag 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.920 race so much, and he loved you so much. And 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:28.480 it was a joy that I got to meet him. 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.360 Yeah I can text, Yeah, I'm good. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.320 I'm leaving in fifteen minutes basically for the service to 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.440 fly back home for the service. And do you want 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:43.120 to mention the Northwestern Fund And if anybody is interested 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.159 in making a donation on his behalf. His family is 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:50.040 giving money to the Destined Lab, which is at Northwestern 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:53.399 where he attended and is very close to where Lisa 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.240 is from, and it supports programs for students from modest 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.960 backgrounds at Northwestern. So I think if you want to 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:02.840 give to that, you just put under the fun name 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.119 in honor of Jed Melick M E. L ic K 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.520 and I can we can put that in the show 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.560 notes for you guys, if you're interested. But yeah, that's that. 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:16.000 And and you said that the funeral today er tomorrow 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:17.760 will have like a dance party at the end. 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.960 Yeah, there's gonna be a big dance party. And they 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.639 just asked me last night if I could MC the 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.919 after party, so that will be and are you and 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:27.760 I will, And I have to say, it's not the 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.080 first time ID of a memorial, So I guess I'm 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.919 available for all of your two afterlife needs. 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:35.920 Well. 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.240 One of your friends who when she gets drunk, repeats 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.440 herself over and over when we were all together once, 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:46.440 she just kept praising your memorial MC skills over and 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:47.080 over again. 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.440 She listens to the pod and she knows who she is. Yeah, 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.080 but Jed loved SVU. He was always writing me being 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.000 like I was looking back at our old texts and 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:58.679 he was like, what are we doing with Rowlins? I mean, 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.720 are they bringing her back? Like we had thoughts and opinions, 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.880 and so I just wanted to give him a big. 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.159 Well And the prom photo you posted, I have seen that. 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.000 I've heard Jessica mcclin talk baby. We weren't dates. We 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.560 just took a picture together like that was just my party. Yeah, 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.359 but yeah, I just I just wanted to give a 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.000 shout out to Jed and thank you guys for those 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.600 of you that have like reached out to me about it. 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:22.960 I know a lot of you have been sending me 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.600 messages and comments and stuff, but I appreciate you guys. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.320 And now let's get on with the show. We have 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.080 a great show, we have a great guest, and it's 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.920 going to be a fun one as usual. That's messed 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.600 up live dot com to get merch. We've got those 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.560 do you have Children Detective t shirts are up. We've 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.720 got Lisa shows you can find on the Lisa's website link. 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.000 And yeah, let's get started. 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.800 All right. We're here doing Spring Awakening, which is also 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.000 a musical, so I do find this weird. Do you 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.040 have any thoughts about that? Well? 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.560 I feel like this is a Warren Light, right or 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.800 is it not? Yes day it's fifteen, I feel like 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.120 that's Warren. It's definitely on purpose because that was such 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.000 a fucking hot musical. 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.000 But is there a parallel to the musical? Like maybe 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.080 I'm not saying I guess there Isn't there an abortion? 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.000 You would have to tell me because I actually have 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.719 never seen Spring Awakening and I don't know a thing 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:20.200 about it. 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.320 I mean, time is crazy, and I did see this 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.040 when I was twenty years old, so sixteen years ago 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.199 I saw Spring Awakening. But I feel like there's an 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.280 abortion and or baby thing. Maybe that's the connection, or 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.719 maybe there's no connection, But you're right knowing Warren Light, 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.919 there's got to be something. So anyone that DM DM 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.959 okay season fifteen, episode twenty four or twenty three on Hulu. 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:42.320 I don't know what to tell you. I don't know 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.240 what to tell you, guys. So it starts with kids 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.280 playing and we see in here you know, click click click, 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.680 and now we are seeing the kids through a camera 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.440 lens and Amara walks over and it's a pedophile from 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.920 a previous episode who ended up he did have a 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.840 kill torture molest room, but absolutely DNA was found. 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.800 Like he didn't he thought about being a pedophile. 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.920 He wanted to be a pedophile, but he didn't actually 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:09.440 do anything, so he never got in trouble. I think the. 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.679 Episode is literally called thought criminal right, because it's like 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.440 it's like, can we be arrested just for our fantasies 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.240 and our thoughts? And it was like I feel like 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.480 we covered it, no because we want to get that guy. 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.359 But why have I talked about it? Or do I 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:24.960 just watch it because it is a show I watch. 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.159 I'm like, no, I've seen it though I've seen it 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.280 a few times, so what's that? Yeah? But whatever, But 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.800 the torture room is fucked up, but he's never physically 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:33.359 done anything. 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.520 But he is a known pedo who admits to it. 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.400 But you can't, Like you can't if someone's just thinking 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:39.440 about being a pedophile. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.760 I guess there is no law. Thought yeah criminal. 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.720 Hello. So anyways, Amorrow walks over and is like, get 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.439 the fuck out of here, and the pedos like this 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.920 is a public sidewalk detective fuck off. And so there's 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.719 a thing and he takes a photo of Amorrow, and 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.159 that sets Tomorrow off like he's the fucking hulk. He 0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.879 starts beating the shit out of this dude on the ground, 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:05.560 continuous punching like the camera's obviously broken, pieces everywhere, and 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:07.560 the guy is being taken out on a stretcher with 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.840 next support and Tomorrow is arrested, hands behind his back, 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.440 into the back of a car, arrested. And this episode 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.000 actually has so many connections to all these other episodes, 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.080 this can truly be the center of a web of brainstorming. Yes, 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.080 if you really wanted to get crazy, this is like 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.840 twenty episodes converge Jack Frost. Is that his name? No, 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:32.240 James Frost, Josh Frost, Mark Frost, right, not Mark Frot. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.320 That's the poem with the. 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.760 Poem with the two two diverged. 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.359 In a wood, Robert Frost Robert. 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.800 I'm like Mark. I was thinking Mark Twain, probably. 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:51.880 Robert. So Pipa Cox is up there and she's working 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.000 on the end. We all know Pippa Cox. The former 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.960 guests also helped me get tickets to a Juliet We'll 0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.920 never forget. And I think either just got engaged or 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.040 married to her girlfriend there was like a people. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.760 There was like people, there was a people there. We 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.800 do follow her. We're big Pippacocks fans. Yes, congrats Jessica. 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.320 Yes. And so she's she's up there working and there's 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:16.840 a custody of baby boy Dough And if you remember 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:22.080 that episode, it's one of the babies she saved. It 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.919 was the foster care Russian kid. The mom gave him 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.400 away to pedophiles. Rosanna arcuts in it and a. 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.879 Guy in a wheelchair The Great we covered it like 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.360 in the last few months. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.359 So that's the baby Dough and Benson's in the galley watching. 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.080 She's very connected and it's iconic family Court judge Ruth 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.320 Linden played by Jane Howdie show. That's a fun I 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.200 think kudoshell is how you say it, that makes more sense. 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.920 And she is so good, like she's in Only Murders 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.120 in the Building is like her recent I would say, 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.320 claim to fame. But I saw her in what is 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.280 that Tony Award winning play? Is it called The Humans? 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.360 I think it was called The Humans. I saw it 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.640 in La and she came like the I think most 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:03.440 of the Broadway cast came to do it in La 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.200 and she was She's so excellent. 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.040 She's really great. Yeah, I would love to see her 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.920 on the stage. So she's a up set. 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.400 And I saw her in A Dolls House Part two 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.560 with Laurie metcalf Wow, It's like, I go to so 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:16.560 much figure but. 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:20.520 I really don't. Oh, it was so good. I know. 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:27.680 Well not only so Laurie Metcalf is in Horace and Pte. 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:29.880 But no one got some meeter her because she came 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.400 on the one Monday, like on a Monday when she 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.640 was off and filmed this like full thirty to forty 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.440 minute monologue. The whole episode is just a monologue of her, 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.360 and I'm just like, I memorizing So I just can't 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.240 believe memorizing all of that, doing that on your theater 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.120 day off and then still doing eight more shows of 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.000 a Doll's House. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.240 She's so tough. I mean, she's like, I think one 0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.560 of our best, she's the best, Like getting that show 0:29:55.640 --> 0:30:00.800 getting on is like my favorite? Why can't Yeah, she's 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:01.480 yeah good. 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.920 We're lucky to have hery right, Okay, So, like I said, 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.240 this episode is gonna have a lot of these moments. 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:12.200 There's so many yeah things happening. So anyways, the judge 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:13.960 is very upset. I that this is the best we 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.200 can do for baby boy Dough. And now we cut 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.680 to tomorrow. He's being mugshotted. He's bleeding from his head. 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.719 He wants a call, but they're like, you're getting processed. Okay, 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.719 now we're back in court. Benson approaches Papa Cocks and 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.000 she wants to visit the baby. 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.200 The baby, and Pippa is down with that. 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.240 Then Chantal from Social Services takes over and she's wearing 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.240 a hot pink suit and I feel like she is 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.760 an enemy because is she not the sho that invests? 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.600 Yeah, she's our enemy, and that she's the one that 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.360 makes Benson's life a living fucking hell when she's like 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.400 adopting Noah and is always like why aren't you around 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.520 constantly like you should be available, you should be in 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.280 this hospital, and it's like, you know what she does, 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.120 she found this fucking baby, And Okay, I knew that 0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.080 there was an air about her that I hated, and 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:00.560 now I know it because she did wear a hot 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.560 pink suit, but I hate it. 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:06.000 She's like, what's the sergeant's interest in the baby? 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:06.240 You know? 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.840 And now we're back to Tomorrow, and finally Tomorrow gets 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.520 his phone call and we see Rollins arriving. That was 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.680 his phone call, and they're gripping the bars face to face. 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.640 This is, you know, a moment, and they're they're planning, 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.240 don't talk until you're lawyer. What happened? Blah blah blah. 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:26.000 There's not privilege now it's Benson shows up with Declan 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:31.080 Murphy aka the guy from Grounded for Life aka Donald Loge. 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.840 All the names sound crazy, none of these are real names, 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.760 and so we would love him on the pod though 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.800 the names are funny, but we we want the sky 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:42.960 on the pod really. 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:47.160 Donald log famously the second baby daddy of Rollins, the 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:48.240 second baby daddy. 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.880 Honestly, I'm shocked you didn't fuck more people in the 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:55.640 precinct like I. But he he is a hothead. He 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.080 really does flip out. He's really kind of wild. I 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:00.480 think we can find out late or he might be 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.280 bipolar or something, because he does have an air of 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.719 a little to him. No no offense. Okay, so we 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.760 do want him on the pod. He's yelling at Tomorrow 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.800 what the fuck Benson is worried for? Like, how well 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.440 Amorro is doing and then Rowlins reports that the dude 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:21.240 is sedated, the pedo concussion, broken ribs, and Donnell is like, 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.120 that's felony assault or even attempted murder if they really 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.840 want you out, and Benson's like, wait, wait, wait, hold on, 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.920 but didn't Wilkes go after you and this, And then 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.560 the Ginger is like, cut this down, shut it off. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.280 There's no privilege. Shut up. They tell him to keep 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.760 his mouth shut. There is, Yeah, okay, you guys get it. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.280 They want him to not talk. So now dramatic music 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.920 is playing. He knows he fucked up, and so much 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.360 has happened, and we were just now at the credits. 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:48.760 That's wild, jam packed jam. 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.480 You're right. I never even thought about that. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.520 But this episode is the intersection of like seven different episodes. 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.240 It's really wild, Like I did not put that even together, 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:58.520 but tis yes. 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.360 And so now we have a young lawyer in the 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.640 white blinds room with Tomorrow and he's sitting like a 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.719 bad boy in detention and they're having a meeting and 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.440 the iab dude, I could not find him in the IMDb, 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.120 which I thought was really fucked up. 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.240 So maybe you can help me I was searched. 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:20.400 Well. Also I was watching another episode that you're covering later. 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.840 You know, we were court multiples, you guys, And so 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.920 I had Peacock with one episode, Hulu with another, and 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.000 then all my articles out and I was fucking up, 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.200 Like I was trying to find Jane how to show, 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.000 but I was looking at a different episode and I 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.440 was like, what the fuck? And then it happened again 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.600 with this guy. But I wasn't Spring Awakening. But I 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.560 can't find the IAB investigator. 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.320 I think his name is Michael Potts, is the actor, 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.480 and that I am. And you know cold Draper, you 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.960 know what's sick is? I had it purple, I went 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.480 on it. I went on it. It's purple, am I 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:55.160 are we right? 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:55.440 Yeah? 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.080 It is him, right. We've seen him before too. 0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:01.040 He's been in like, uh, he's working, he is y. 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.520 But he he was in above Suspicion. I think he 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:05.680 was in a lot of the shit that I had 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.759 to do with. He no, but in this specific yes, 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.799 for sure, he's this man works. But yeah, also in 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.880 many episodes like the above Suspicion, he was part of 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.279 all the IAB when they were like closing in on 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.200 the Ganzelle all that shit. 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.879 Yeah, okay, So Michael Potts is our man, and he's 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.000 the IAB guy who's like, bro, there's dozens of witnesses 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.719 to unis. They like, no, like, and no one thinks 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:34.240 that you were defending yourself and that against the victim. 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:35.440 And Amarro flips out. 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.560 He's like, that's not a victim, that's a fucking psychopath. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.920 And it's like no, no, no, no, you you were off duty. 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.480 This is serious trouble. Two officers pulled you off an 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.440 unarmed civilian. You are being charged and they ask with what, 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.319 and the interviewer turns off the camera and basically is like, 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.600 assault too, and you better hope you're VIC pulls through. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.160 So we're in cornet, which makes me feel like they 0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.960 have his back a little bit. Yeah, Like IAB sucks, 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.560 but this isn't Tucker level annoying. We're not like, ugh, 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.560 it's Darth Vader like turn off the camera. I think 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.560 is shows a little professional curtisy, even though we're against 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.520 police brutality, but it is a pediphile. 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.239 I'm against police brutality, but this guy's fucking like two 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.800 seconds away from stringing some kid up in his little 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.720 kill room, like he's got like he hasn't acted yet, 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.320 but I mean they are intentionally making him the biggest 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:24.959 creep ever. 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.239 Yeah, one hondo. So we're in court and tomorrow, YadA YadA, raman, 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.480 what are we gonna do? First time? Not first time? 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:36.040 You know, he has shot an unarmed child, the worst cop, 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.520 the worst cop so sexy. So basically bailo is half 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.600 a million. That's a lot. And the lawyer is like, hey, 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.480 can you put your house for collateral? And I think 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.719 this is so funny. He's like, I can't ask my 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.759 wife to do that again. And it's like you are 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.279 a bad husband and you have to question yourself, like 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.080 you need you need to put your house up for 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.840 collateral again? Come on, broke, Yeah, I think I have 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:04.640 the It's like Maloney was like throwing people against filing cabinets, 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.439 sure all the time, but like he kind of never 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.239 took it to the level that tomorrow takes it. 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.239 You know, we never had to. I don't think he 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.080 really ever had to put his house up. Kathy would 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:16.720 have been pissed. 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.960 So the pedophile's wife is really mad and she's like 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.520 in the galley and she's like, you motherfuckers won't stop 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.279 wheel you. So Robin's, Benson, and Donnell are having a 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.960 meeting and nobody is budging on this. They're all they're 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.759 acting like it's outrageous though, so they're like, sorry, the 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.240 charges are being pressed and they're like what the fuck, 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.960 and it's like, come on, guys, and then Finn does 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.040 his classic pops out of nowhere, pops out of nowhere. 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.400 You know, he didn't want to film a coverage with anybody, 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.360 and so then Rollin wants to start investigating, and the 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.399 lieutenant you know, yells at her, and so then Finn 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.880 fills every and then donn All is the acting lieutenant. 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.600 So then Finn fills everyone in. Okay, that's a grid improv. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:02.880 Finn fills everyone in Phil's fun and fills everyone in yeah, 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.600 and so on the case on the case, and he 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.960 wants them to work on. So basically there's a different 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.680 case happening. I mean, how many layers to this episode 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:13.760 and they all need to work on this other case. 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.279 So a German tourist got assaulted in a hotel room 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.120 and robbed and beaten, and so they go to talk 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.799 to him in the hospital. He went on Craigslist. He 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.959 wanted a New York girlfriend experience, and then she came over. 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.640 She wanted to order room service. She did not look 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.040 like her picture and he goes but she seemed around 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.719 twenty five and rough, and he is really badly fucked up. 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.240 He says her name was Lisette. There was no chats 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.800 or anything. They got right down to business. She unzipped 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.959 her pants. Then there was a knock on the door, 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.000 which he assumed was room service. But then a man 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.839 with a gun came in Latin and scary, and he 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.480 hit the set with the gun and then he held 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.640 it on him. He took everything out and then forced 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.400 him on the bed and then did rape him with 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:57.000 the gun. So that's brutal. And then the girl was 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.799 in the corner crying and terrified, and then all the 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.520 cops kind of look at each other and they know 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.359 what we are about to find out. 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.760 Rollins is like, so did the room service ever come? 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.840 And he said no, and they're like, yeah, bro, you 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.840 were a scam and you were a victim of a scam. 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.800 And then it dawns on him and he's quite sad. 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.040 And Finn is at the corkboard at the work breaking 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.960 down the case, and there is surveillance of the elevator 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.440 and she obviously lied about the room service. There was 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.919 only one call. No one ever called for help. They 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.440 went out the stairs. They also have a pick of 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:32.000 him from the elevator, but he's hidden fully and there's 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.839 four cases recently with a similar mom. So donn Alla 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:39.840 is like, Okay, let's answer the ad. So he's going undercover. 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.360 Benson likes how proactive he's being. That's the thing, Like 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.319 I feel like Benson in if this was real life, 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.319 he would have fucked Benson too, and Benson would have 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.560 fucked him. Like I do feel like he got around 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.040 Maybe he didn't see it, but he fucked through that office. 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:53.600 There's no way. 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.440 Yeah. Yeah. And this this actor is. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.920 Canadian, but I think his parents for Irish and so 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.400 he when he was on Sons of Anarchy, he was 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.479 I believe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong. 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.839 I believe he's like the head of like the Irish 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.880 motorcycle gang that comes over to the United States. Like 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.120 he always likes to do Irish So that's like he's 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:15.759 like showing off his Irish accent here. 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.880 I feel, oh yeah, because that's the thing. It was 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.960 a German tourist. It's always tourists. It's midtown hotels, and 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.640 so he yeah, he really brings on the Irish and 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.640 he's ready to play some cop theater everybody. So Rollins 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.560 is in the lobby on the phone, and we see 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.680 a sex worker walking through. She's wearing a tight, hot 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.120 pink skirt and a denim jacket and nobody is with her, 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.960 so she's on the floor and then Donnell gives direction like, 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.200 do not bust in until the pimp busts in with 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.279 the weapon because he wants to catch him in the act, 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.840 and because I think the FBI needs way more evidence 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.160 than cops or am I lying? Oh no, not that 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.239 he is. I don't know right now, he's acting as 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.040 a lieutenant whatever. Yeah, I don't know. 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.719 I think he's just kind of like, I don't think 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:03.640 he wants to just get her. He wants the guy. 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.960 Yes, yes, yes, yes. And the hopping girl enters and 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:12.880 she is from Shameless. Okay, she's Lip's girlfriend. Who is 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.080 you know, played by Jeremy Allen White and she's amazing. 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:20.719 I think her name is Emma Greenwall. Yeah, so when 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.480 we were trying to figure out who to get for 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.560 a guest on this episode. Her name is Emma Greenwall. Yeah, 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:30.439 and like she got all this fanfare from being on 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.640 like Shameless. I cannot find anything from her in the 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.040 last like four years. Like I think she's she moved abroad. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.719 I think she lives in London and she's just kind 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:44.560 of like not posting on Insta, Like she's not. Like 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:48.239 I literally was looking up everything and every article was 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.080 like she's what's Like, you know, she has two hundred 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.880 and fifty six thousand followers on Insta and like I 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.560 believe the last post is from September of twenty twenty two, 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:00.680 so like she hasn't posted in like a year and 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:05.080 a half. And yeah, like I don't know if she 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.040 posts stories or anything, but she's not posting to the grid. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:12.319 And I feel like she's not really acting, which is 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.719 so crazy because she had a big thing going on. 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.759 But I mean, if this was a scripted series, this 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.600 is what we would be investigating right now. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.240 I mean, she has no she only has eleven acting 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.799 credits and they stopped in twenty nineteen, so I don't know. 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:26.520 I think she's married and has a kid, and I 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:32.360 don't know if she's just like out she does yeahland, Yeah, 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:34.359 I know. It's like so shocked. I don't know why. 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.400 It's like a woman just had a career change, and 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:37.040 we're like, what the. 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.360 Fuck is going on? What happens? She's like living life, 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.040 having a good time, and we're like, why isn't she 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:43.520 posting more? Something is wrong? 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.240 I mean, I bet you she could. She could easily 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.560 be like after her kid is like more school age, 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.600 be like I'm back, and I'm sure she's like beautiful 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.560 and talented. I'm sure she'll get more and. 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.160 Very talented because she's a mess. She's a mess in 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:59.440 this episode. So then she right away is like, oh, 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.640 it's an old Pa picture, so she knows what's up 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.440 as well, and she starts making out with him right away. 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:05.840 He's like, hey, do you want a drink? 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.319 She asks if she can order room service, and she 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.680 makes the call, and then downstairs we see a man 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.439 in a den in vest and a white tank top 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.760 with tattoos and a little hat going upstairs and Donald 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.799 pays pays her, and he's trying to stall and wants 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.120 it slow and not rushing, and she wants it to 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:23.680 like be faster obviously, like get the fuck out of work, 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.319 and he's like, no, I can pay you for your time. 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.680 I have money, and then bam bam. Jeane vest is 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.000 in the room, gun up wants the money and he's like, 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.200 the money's in her bra and he calls it a 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.439 brazier and he pulls her oh, and then Tino pulls 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:38.920 her by her hair and throws her against the wall. 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:40.640 And it is like so fucked, Like if you are 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.040 working together, why why do you have to throw her 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:44.719 so hard? 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.399 But also why are you to also like rape these 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.400 men with a gun, take the take the money and 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.120 run like what I don't understand. Yeah, he's he's just 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:55.839 a bad guy. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:02.719 Yeah yeah, okay, so but also why does why do 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.280 they have to take the passport? So cause he's asking 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.000 wallet passport, no games, Why do you need the passport? 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.359 Maybe they sell them. I don't know. 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.919 Yeah, passports seem like they get flagged. Like I don't 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.880 know if you can use a fake passport very easily. 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.200 I don't know. So he turns to the dresser and 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.120 Finn opens like a conjoining door room and boom, it 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:26.680 hits him. He falls, Finn arrests him, the gunflies pink 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.680 skirt tries to grab it and Benson goes, you move, 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.560 I shoot, and she tries to act like out of it, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.919 like oh no, I'm a victim, and Benson goes, bitch, 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.360 you're done. So we're back at the office and little 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.400 Tino the pimp got a lawyer in a nice suit, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.400 and Ellie aka Lisette is waiting for public aid. Trevor 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.319 Langen walks in for Ellie and they're like, wait, we 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.200 thought she was getting public like a public defender, and 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.400 Benson goes, oh, yeah, hey, Rowlands, this is Trevor my 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.839 real life husband. And she goes a high priced mouthpiece 0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:01.080 for low lifes and his response is epic, and he goes, 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.000 and you once, how soon we forget? 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.719 How soon we forget? It is crazy? I mean they 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:09.480 are he has. 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.080 Done more pro bono, like I he has done nice 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.799 things for people. Yeah, but he likes to do a 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.520 few pro bonos every year to keep him an honest lawyer. 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.480 And then Murphy says oxy moron and then rollins. So 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.320 he goes to meet with his client and Rollins spins 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.760 her chair to look at Benson. He goes, he's tall, 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.200 and Benson walking to her desk says, like, that's a 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.560 skill set, and Rollins goes any history, what's up? And 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.279 Benson says she doesn't date lawyers, and Rollins goes, since 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.799 when and yeah, so okay, what I feel like I 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.080 wouldn't mind if they ended up together in the end 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:44.600 of the series. 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.319 No, me neither, like, because we always talk about like, 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.080 I think that's the a guy that understands what she does, 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:51.839 A guy that could pay for her to like go 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.560 to the Bahamas and like have a nice life, you know, 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.799 and when he knows Noah, he knows Noah. 0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:58.600 Yeah. 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.640 Yeah, I've I thought he's been. I've always thought he'd been. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.560 He'd be a wonderful endgame choice. 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.719 But is he a bachelor? Is he with people? Or 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.560 do you think he dates a lot of hotgart Like 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.040 what's he up to? Trevor Langan? 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.279 I don't know if we've ever even gotten like a 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.080 like a little snippet of him. 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.640 You know. No, but I wonder because I like, did 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.600 he get separate? You know? I just but I want 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.680 them to end up together. I think that's that's going forward. 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.520 That's the answer I'm giving to everybody. Yeah, that's my 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:33.320 goal for them to end up together. Blended family hanging 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.400 out or you know, he just stops Noah, But I'm 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:38.640 I don't know if Trevor's kids are and he's been 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:43.319 on so many episodes. We got to get him, we do, 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.640 but it just seems like weird. It's like if we 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.920 get him or Cocoa, it's like, clearly we want to 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.200 talk about your spell, like I get us your spouse 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:54.120 net like Trevor like, oh, we want to interview about SVU, 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.480 Like I wonder if he's like eating breakfast with her, 0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:02.239 Like I'm gonna do this SVU podcast, Like I know, it's. 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:02.800 Just too much. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.919 I don't know how to handle it. He I feel 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.000 like we have to do him after Olivia. I don't 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.640 know after Marishka. Yeah, in this weird way. 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.080 Yeah, but he like I think he starts out like 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.120 a dick in his first few seasons and then it's 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.240 like later in seasons he starts taking on the cute 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.400 like extra not even cute. 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.360 But he does. He did defend you, so it is 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:31.440 crazy that she's being so mean and calling him this mouthpiece. 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.759 So she defended him in season eleven when she was 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.319 framed for the murder of the biker guy because there 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.320 is like science where you can copy DNA right right. 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.640 Someone I was gonna say, did he defend her during 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:45.640 the William Lewis stuff? 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.280 But that was not I think that it was just Elizabeth. 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:51.040 I think Rita Calhoun defends her during the William Lewis shit, 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:52.000 but she never gets in there. 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.279 Yeah, but it is interesting because like Elliots had to 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:59.279 pick lawyers, and he picked CC Pounder Pounder. But I'm 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.480 just saying, like, in my head, the best lawyers are 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:02.440 the ones that they hire. 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:04.439 Yes, the ones they go for. 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:05.400 I don't know. 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:11.239 Ja counter is Carolyn Maddox, Yes, Carolin Maddox. So to me, 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.680 these are the best of the best. But Elizabeth Marvel, 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.560 we know is the best because she makes us so mad. 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.439 But Trevor doesn't make me as mad as the They're 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.279 like the you know as the oil tycoon hairdoo. And 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:28.480 like I wonder if Benson would ever hire Buchanan or something. 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:34.120 No, I don't think she would. Yeah, there's there's so anyways. Okay, 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.960 so now the lawyer meeting is with tomorrow. The pedal 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.479 the pedophile is awake. There's no sustained injuries, thank god, 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:42.920 but so he'll be fine. But the wife and him 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.680 are adamant about seeing him be prosecuted. The DA is 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.040 also gung ho to get him on all charges because 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.000 they're really trying to crack down on police brutality. And 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.040 Tomorrow goes, fuck this, this is a pedophile. Why do 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:57.720 you love this pedophile? And like he has a fucking 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.440 torture chamber? What the fuck are the lawyers? We have 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.319 to stick with self defense, that is what we have 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.200 to do. And the lawyer is trying to spin a 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.040 story in Tomorrow is like, I'm fucked. I'm fucked, a 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.480 fucked Oh my god, a trial. I'm not going to trial. 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:10.600 He's like, I can try for a plea, but this 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:11.840 isn't just gonna go away. 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.200 Another person tying in other episodes. The lawyer is Lorenzo d' sapio, 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:20.160 who is the guy that Rolin's sister is the law 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:21.880 is the lawyer for Kim Rowlins and then she like 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.800 basically starts a relationship with her because she's a cross Lorenzo. 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:30.719 They bring Lorenzo to Sapio back like I love how 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.600 Like Rawlins is like, I'll get you a lawyer, I'll 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.799 get you. My sister's shady ass grifter lawyer, and here 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:41.400 he is. But damn, because I just I so vividly 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:45.360 remember going, well, me and Lorenzo. I'm actually wearing a 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:49.200 friendship bracelet that someone made for us and it is 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.880 an acronym and it's what would Kim Rolins do? So 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.040 I have that the chaos, the chaos of what would 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:55.840 Kim Rowlins do? 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.960 Yeah, pretty psycho, but I'm wearing it as we were. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.640 So now we bring in the German Man and he 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:07.680 identifies Ellie immediately in the lineup, and Trevor's like, to Benson, though, like, 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.680 you're not seeing Ellie as a victim. She was pimped 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.160 out at sixteen. Benson says she tried to pull a 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.719 gun on Murphy and he goes, yeah, because her pimp 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:21.160 made her like it is it is uncharacteristic of Benson, 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.640 but she's blinded in a rage. But she's like, she 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:25.600 also set up a tourist to be raped and is 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:30.880 a career criminal, and she continues she needs rehab, not jail. 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:32.000 So now the man. 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:34.440 We go back to the lineup and it's the lineup 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.279 for the pimp. He picks the wrong guy. They do 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:41.000 all look very similar, facial hair, bald like gray hoodie, 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.560 and it sucks. I feel really bad for him, and 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.440 I hate when the defense attorney in the room in 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:48.600 front of the person who just failed the lineup is like, 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.920 and I'm gonna go get my exonerated client, go fuck yourself. 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.120 You have to make this rape victim feel worse, like 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.600 fuck off. So Murphy's like, listen, let's try to see 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:01.400 if Ellie will flip on Tino and ads. It's crazy 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.880 that Tino didn't cover her legal bills to try to 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:07.920 control her. He didn't bother helping her at all. So 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:09.640 so Benson goes in there for a sit down with 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.239 Ellie and she of course does not want to give 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:17.000 up her fucking pimp who you know, she's gone through trauma. 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.520 Trevor also is trying to convince Ellie to flip and 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:22.480 to testify. She won't even think about it, and Benson 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:24.520 has no time for this, throws a candy bar at 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.239 her and says, have you ever gone through full withdrawal? 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.440 You're shaking, You're not feeling well. You're about to be 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.600 sitting in your own puke on a cell on the floor. 0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.719 You're gonna be dirty and pathetic because you have a 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:36.759 chance to break this cycle, and she goes, you want 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:40.160 to be my mommy lady. Detectives love trying to save me, 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.040 but I like my life the way it is. And 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.200 Benson goes, Okay, have fun going to jail for robbery 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:47.759 and accomplice to rape. And this is, you know, our 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.520 classic don't go to jail for a man. Yeah, the 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.759 da is still gonna charge Tino with the robbery even 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.680 though there's no evidence. Really, and then Ellie too, But 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.240 how's there no evidence? We caught him in the act 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:02.799 like we caught them in the act with Donnell like, 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:04.879 so they have some evidence. It's just the lineup. They 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.040 just don't have the lineup, but they have something. I 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.840 I'm you know, misspoke. Murphy accuses Benson of not trying 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:12.719 hard enough for Ellie and they have kind of a 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.520 little back and forth about it, and and Benson is 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:20.480 being uncharacteristically disgusted by Ellie in a way she usually 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:24.280 has empathy for all these victims, so it is confusing. 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.960 But she's a writer dive friend, so if you try 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.120 to shoot her friend, she will not take your side. 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.480 So then they start hitchatting about tomorrow and then Pipa 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.440 runs in actually and she goes, hey, is there an 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:40.279 Ellie Porter here and holding And basically Ellie Porter is 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.680 the mother of baby Doe, that is her son. Benson 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.799 is stunned as hell. So now this baby that she 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.279 does care about is connected to this person she thought 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.600 is pathetic. So then Rollin's and Tomorrow have a meeting 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:59.000 in jail and they're being they're being with the internet's 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.919 now like dumb bitch is just saying exactly to each other, 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.520 just delusional and it's like you did beat a man 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:10.560 up to a pulp off duty, but the pedo is 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.040 doing the city and Tomorrow is saying he doesn't have 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:15.440 much fight left, and Rollins goes, well, you better try. 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.120 We're all rooting for you. And then Boom walks in 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.200 munch back from retirement. 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.360 They all hug itets a really sweet hug. 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.600 Murphy wants Benson to talk to Ellie and maybe that 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:27.400 will motivate her to talk to Tino. 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.600 Okay, yeah, we're bouncing back and forth. Get over it. 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:31.200 So from the hug we. 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.840 Go back to work and yeah, so they think the 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.800 baby's gonna motivate Ellie to talk back to the prison 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.400 yard tomorrow and Unch are chatting. He tells him that 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:45.600 his marriage is over and John and then John's like, 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.960 you need to trust me. I've you know, I've been 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.200 divorced three times and your marriage is dead and Amarro goes, 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.439 but my marriage is my life, and Munch goes, Listen, 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.640 you're always gonna have your daughter, but you shouldn't have 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:57.319 to live this way, Like you got to get out 0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.520 of here. You gotta, you know, focus on your joy. 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.120 But they're all sing like this is Kraigan when he 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.400 got framed for the murder of Carissa, Like this isn't 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.120 a miscarriage of justice. 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.200 We've got to get him out of here. And it's like, no, bro, you. 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.000 Fucking went off on somebody and beat him to a 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:14.799 bloody pulp. It could have been cool to just like 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.040 one sucker punch, be like he took my photo, he 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:19.320 came at me with his camera. He beat the fuck 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.839 out of this guy. It's really hilarious that they're like, 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:24.879 we we gotta help you here, man. 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:30.600 So basically Munch is like, you're a good cop. Wilkes 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.040 is a bad guy, and he goes, you know, you 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.640 just fucked up on your but like you fucked up, 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:38.799 but your instincts are right, and we're gonna get you 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.520 out of here. You fight for the victims, and you 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:46.040 fight for the survivors. So then and then a surprise, 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.120 Munch posted his bail. He has some pensions lined up, 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.439 and they walk out of the prison yard and it's 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:54.760 like you couldn't you have had this convo over a coffee, 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:58.240 like you could have told him and then but okay, okay, 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.600 so and that's fifty grand, that's nice. So now Ellie 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:04.319 is looking at a picture of her baby. She's so 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.839 excited she can't believe it. Oh my god, that's baby Noah. 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:09.399 Oh my god, that's my son. And she hasn't seen 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.759 him since before Christmas last year. And Benson's so mean, 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.560 why did you get rid of him? Ellie obviously is like, 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:18.560 I didn't I owe deed And when I got back, 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.560 I was told that Noah had died. But she won't 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.160 say who they are. But she does not know who 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.520 the father is. She was working and she did get 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:28.920 to keep the baby as long as she kept working. 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.800 While Tito's Tito, that's a vodka I enjoy. Tino's mom 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.960 took care of her and all the other kids at 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:39.359 her home daycare, and so and this woman's a boy 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.120 mom okay, if we've never seen one, and she's good 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:46.480 with kids, and Benson is activated good with kids, then 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:50.760 why did she give Noah a pornographer? And that's the episode, 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.680 you know, the fake wheelchair guy, the kid, the pornos, 0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:57.600 all of that, and she's like, yep, I found him 0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:59.600 with a couple. I rested that they were using for 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.960 child rape videos. And she's like, oh my god, that 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:04.239 beard old guy. 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:04.759 Ugh. 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:08.040 She used to do business with Tino, so she knows 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:12.360 the exact you know, Peto couple, and she's like, oh, yeah, 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.440 he sold her like a ten year old girl once. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.360 And that's the ten year old girl in pigtails that 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.080 we meet in the episode Oh What a dark, dark, 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:21.640 twisted web. And she does not want to go against 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.480 Tino and because she knows that he'll kill her, and 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:27.040 then a classic drop of like again, don't go to 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.600 Joe for a man fight to see her baby. So 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.160 then they go to the they bust into the daycare, 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:35.080 so that means she did cooperate in some sort of capacity. 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:39.280 They're looking for cash, guns, weapons, okay, as well as 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.720 all the children and sex workers that are being held 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:43.359 against their will. 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:43.759 I don't know. 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.560 So all hands on deck, tons of guns, swat team, 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.560 They're all running into the house. Kids everywhere, crying, screaming, 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.080 pregnant women. And then the mom's trying to hit Fin 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.440 with a frying pan. I really love her. She is 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.960 pretty slapstick. And then she and then Benson's like picking 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:02.600 up a forty and the mom, Yeah, put down my brew, bitch, 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.520 And so I really like that, like you're not having 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:10.080 your beer, like you're going to jail. Tino is running 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.280 out from the second story window. He jumps, Rollin starts running. 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.720 It's a full chase. He climbs over a giant fence, 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:18.640 Rollin's follows, and then he gets cut off on both sides, 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.440 like with some more police. She throws him against the 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.680 wall and arrests him and he's like, oh whatever, it's 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.839 a legit daycare, and you know, no one believes him. 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.120 So now we have Tino in custody and the mother 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.120 and the mom is not talking and did not know 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.560 about the drugs or guns and says her ex husband 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.520 must have left it there. They're gonna get her though, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.359 for running an illegal daycare. Rollin's runs over and there's 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:43.000 three girls under the age of eighteen and they've been 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.240 held against their will and they're all working for Tino, 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:47.959 and then they all think Tino's looking out for them 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:49.920 and so they're not going to testify and they're like, 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:52.400 Ellie is her only chance if anyone is gonna flip. 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:55.799 So Rolin asks Benson how she's doing, and she doesn't 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.400 really know. She's been searching for this boy's mother for 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.880 four months and boom like then she arrests this woman. 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.399 So Benson goes to Rikers and Ellie gets to meet 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:09.600 baby Noah. She's on meds for withdrawal. She's like bonding 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:12.759 and holding Noah. She thanks Benson while baby talking with 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:14.799 the baby, and it fades to black and now we're 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.200 back with Benson and Rollins meeting up with Nick and 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:20.400 they want him to do time. Rollins is like, you 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.040 know what, I'm actually running late to meeting. I'll be 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.880 back and it's like, what meeting bitch? Oh maybe gambling? Okay, 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:31.240 So he because of the food was work. I was like, 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:33.360 Benson would know if there was any meetings, but I 0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:38.720 forgot so he thanks Benson. Amaro, thanks Benson. For having 0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.360 his back and she says always. Now we're back at 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:45.360 the Pedophiles Photos studio, you know of Simon Wilkes, and 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:48.160 Rollins is there to talk to the pedophile's blonde wife 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.120 and she's pissed, get the fuck out of here, and 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.479 Rollins goes, just one thing. I want to talk about 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:56.600 your husband's online activities last night. And so she's like, 0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:59.320 your partner is crazy, and Rollins goes, yeah, whatever, my 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.480 partner will take her management classes while your husband gets 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:05.360 free and keeps perverted photos and keeps having his wild 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.360 fantasies and torture rooms. Is that really what you signed 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.680 up for when you married him? And she says marriage 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.320 is complicated and there are compromises, and she goes, yeah, 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.040 there are, and then she went into like she goes, 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:20.440 well guess yeah, okay, I guess we can comment that 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:24.840 is like, what why would you stay with a pedophile? Yeah? 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.520 It's like I like to crochet and he likes to 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:31.600 imagine murdering and molesting children. It's like we just have 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:34.960 our things, you know, that's marriage. Like this woman is 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.120 Delulu town like huge. 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.360 Yeah. So Rollins then is like, well, I went into 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:45.320 your like husband's chat rooms last night and shows her 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:49.080 all these mean things he writes about her, and he 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.880 writes stuff like, who wants to do my boyish wife? 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.000 I'd get off on watching you torture her while she 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.920 begs for her life. She was born to sub and 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.600 this was all last night, and in the mo like 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:04.520 he's doing this with his coffee and he will. And 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.520 then she's like, I was chatting with him and he's 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:09.440 waiting for me to send photos of little boys and 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.640 he and then she's like, and the moment he's gonna 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.720 download them, I'm gonna have him for kitty torture porn. 0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:17.560 And we both know he's gonna download. She flips out. 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:21.520 She asks, you're here to blackmail me. She screams, you're 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.480 in denial or your husband needs help and he needs 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.800 to do something else. Simon tells IAB that he's swung 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.520 first and that my partner Amaro, had to fight back 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.760 in self defense and if he doesn't do that, I 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.920 will make sure his ass is in jail by the 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:40.480 end of today. Rollins is wild, and then she adds 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.800 and he will die there. And the wife is weighing 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:46.440 out her option. This is the meeting. This is the meeting. 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:48.200 This is the thing Rowins came up with. 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.160 She's like, I gotta go, I've got a meeting. 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:51.840 Uh wild. 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:53.840 Yeah, So the wife's weighing it out. 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.680 So we're at court now with baby Tino and I 0:59:56.760 --> 1:00:00.760 mean little Tino, and so what will happen? So the 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:03.439 mom and him are out on bail, so that's kind 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:06.000 of annoying. And then he turns around to stare at 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:08.160 Benson in the galley and wait. 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:10.520 I have a question. I have a question. When they 1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:15.000 got him after the the sting, right when Donald Logue 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.320 was like proteting, wasn't he out on bail? 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.280 Then? Yeah? So like once you fuck up? Like how 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:22.320 and then they get got to wear an ankle bracelet. 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.240 I guess that's why they're letting him go. This judge 1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:24.880 is a dumb bitch. 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:27.600 It's like, we just keep letting this fucking very violent 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.280 criminal just keep getting out on bail. It's so wild. 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:32.360 This might actually be a plot hole though. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:33.160 Yeah. 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:36.400 Yeah, because he was out and then they like apprehended 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:38.720 him at this illegal daycare. He runs from the cops, 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.560 evades arrest, and then it's like, oh, okay, bail again, 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:42.880 Like I don't it's wild. 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:47.600 Fuck to circumstantial or something whatever. He doesn't have to 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:50.640 wear an ankle bracelet. Ellie is really scared, but she's 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.400 in a nun type home and she's nervous, but she's 1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:56.200 drinking tea and they're gonna prep her and they're gonna 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:58.800 work on getting Noah back, but first it's about staying clean. 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:02.120 And Ellie shakes her head and she understands. Benson gets 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:03.680 up and says, call me if you need anything, and 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:05.400 Ellie says, I'm going to do this and I don't. 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:06.520 I don't want to know what to grow up in 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.720 foster care like I did. I just want him to 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:11.160 be safe and grow up knowing that he has left. 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.520 Benson says, to you tomorrow, and then hopeful music plays, 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:17.240 and you know, Ellie has really cute gold hoops. So 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.040 tomorrow is meeting with the IAB guy. The lawyer is 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:22.880 there and they're really confused because you know, the DA 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:25.280 was wanting to press charges. And now all of a sudden, 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:28.720 Simon called and admitted that he attacked you first. And 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:32.440 you just got bail yesterday, so you're out yesterday, and 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:36.120 Simon calls today to drop the case because he attacked 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.880 you first. What's going on. But Danny Pino's shocked. He 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:42.040 didn't know that Rollins went broke, and his face is 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:45.000 kind of like hell, yes, okay, cool, like I can't 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:48.360 believe he gave in, and Tomorrow has no idea about 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:50.320 any of this, and the lawyer then adds like, listen, 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:53.800 my client's been locked up at but the bail Hello, 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:55.880 this is really wild. Rollins, you couldn't do it a 1:01:56.000 --> 1:02:00.360 day sooner? Yea. But Tomorrow's like says, I did not 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.720 have I did not make contact with him, so they 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:03.680 drop the charges. 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:04.720 Let's fucking go. 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:08.240 The IAB guy then says that your client will still 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:12.360 face administrative charges, but no one even cares. But he's 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:14.040 like this isn't over and he gets up and leave, 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.480 so hell yeah, he's not getting punished and he does 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:18.880 get to keep his shield. This is crazy. He did 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:22.760 beat a man senseless, but also Rolins like we should 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:26.360 still arrest the pedophile, Like now you're letting a pedophile go, 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.440 like this can come back in the future to bite 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.600 her in the ass. Marcia gay Harden's style, you know 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:33.960 what I mean, Like, yeah, if this comes out that 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:38.400 she did that, and this guy then tortures or downloads 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:39.680 child abuse images? 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.440 How can because she blackmailed? 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:47.200 Like he now actually has the freedom to go attack 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:52.880 kids or do whatever he wants because there's the blackmail stuff. Oh, 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:56.640 because they would say, oh, we were blackmailed, that's why 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:59.160 we did that. So this is on rollins if he 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:02.280 abuses a child or buys any point or does anything, 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:04.640 like yeah, she knew that, she knew that he would 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:09.000 download child sex abuse images and now he's just free 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:10.560 to like they can't you know what I mean? 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:13.920 Like it is selfish and bad and also what was 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:18.280 his the wife said, could you please drop the charges 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:21.080 because you said all this embarrassing stuff about me online 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:24.920 and I'll leave you or what? Like what what what 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:27.200 prompted it? I don't I don't really get the blackmail, 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:28.160 I guess either. 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:31.960 You know. Oh yeah, but maybe he knows now not 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:33.120 to download anything. 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:36.320 But no, it's the it's freedom for him now, right, 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.760 But like why did he not go still go after tomorrow? 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:42.760 Like he could still go after tomorrow? Like the wife 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:44.240 went to him and said, you said all this mean 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:45.600 stuff about me online and he. 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:51.080 Was like okay, no, well they have they have evidence 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:55.920 that he would like get the stuff, like they like 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:58.520 the wife knew. That's why Rollins was like, we both 1:03:58.560 --> 1:04:00.919 know he's going to download stuff, and the moment he does, 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:02.160 I'm gonna arrest him. 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.160 Got it because she crack So like. 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:08.280 The moment he does it and downloads this childborn, I 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.960 will arrest him. And you fucking know he's gonna do it, 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.400 and she wants to be with her pedophile husband. She 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:14.200 loves him. 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:16.840 Oh so okay, So then she convinces him. Okay, yeah, 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.240 it's the downloading. Okay, got it. I was like, what 1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:21.400 is the what's the actual threat here that he was 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.160 mean about his wife on the chat room? But yes, okay, 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:24.720 got it. 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:25.800 But you're correct. 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:29.280 I mean, like that is it does put this guy 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:33.200 with the upper hand because now he has But what's 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:36.600 the proof. Maybe Rollins has no proof because she just 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:38.840 went and saw the woman in person, so it would 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:41.280 be like he said, she said, she said, she said, 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.320 if the wife is like, oh, this cop came to 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:47.640 me and blackmailed me, says who you know? Who knows? 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:49.080 I just hope they arrest him. 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:52.160 Yeah, or we see something in the future like hello, 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:55.640 like let's get an episode going. Yeah, So Murphy tells 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.880 Benson and Rollins and Finn the news and Rollins does 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:01.960 some acting skills like wow, I wonder how that happened. 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:05.560 So then Benson chases down Murphy to try to fight 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.200 to make sure he's brought back to SVU, and Murphy's like, 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.280 fuck that, I'm not wasting a favor on this guy. Okay, 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:14.040 Like every favor you give you owe back three times more. 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:17.360 I'm not doing it for this lunatic. But then Rodlans 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.240 busts in and goes, there's a problem. Ellie has disappeared. 1:05:20.760 --> 1:05:23.320 She was freaked out about testifying she needed to keep 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.280 the edge off as with some of the other borders 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:28.240 and like I guess witnesses and the convent said, and 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:31.760 at bed checks, the nun noticed that she wasn't there. 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:35.280 Then Robins turns to the nun and asks, hey, do 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.280 you know any place around here where she would go 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:37.800 to score? 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:40.280 And then nun goes, are you kidding me? 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:45.200 And so a search happens, lights dogs fuck like, and 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:48.040 then the little Tino's ankle monitor does show that he 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:51.520 was in the area, and they're searching the area and 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:54.200 he is back home and claims that he's been home 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:55.600 the whole night. But it's like you do have an 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:58.760 ankle monitor and they find a burned up body. They 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:01.920 show us the burned up body. It's crisp. It is bad, 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:05.440 it's really sad, it's awful. A witness heard her screaming 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:07.720 there was a bunch of guys. They all kept coming. 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:10.640 And then another witness says to Finn, like, oh, there 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:12.560 was a green light pod on her, which means that 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.000 anyone can do anything to her. And I guess they 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:18.560 all just know a bunch of fucked up motherfuckers. And 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:22.000 so he asks a little tino greenlit and she goes, 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:25.120 he ain't got the juice for that. Finn goes, who does? 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:27.320 And she goes, helloell, are you serious? Like I'm not 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:31.440 getting killed? There's a burned friend. And so she was 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:34.680 gang rape, tortured, and set on fire and in her 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.640 system was booze, cocaine and heroin. This is probably one 1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:40.640 of the worst s be you things. And Benson's like, fuck, 1:06:40.680 --> 1:06:42.560 I told her she'd be safe, and Murphy goes, well, 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:44.880 she was. She's the one who left the convent. Benson 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:47.480 does thinks she should have done more. And now Benson 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:49.640 is committed to finding who made the call to greenlight 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:52.320 this because it wasn't this clown and she knows it. 1:06:52.840 --> 1:06:55.080 So she goes into play some games with Tino and 1:06:55.120 --> 1:06:57.400 he keeps taking credit for it and says it was him, 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:00.400 and both Finn and Benson do not believe that, but 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:02.920 either way, he's going to serve twenty five years. And 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:05.960 behind the glass, Rollins is screaming to Murphy like there 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:09.080 are six different men's DNA, like we need to find them, 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:11.640 and Murphy is like, okay, yeah, if he wants to 1:07:11.680 --> 1:07:14.040 do time, I don't really mind him going to jail, 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:17.480 you know, like they're obviously scared of someone though, and 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:19.600 Benson goes, wait, wait, wait wait, So then the killer 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.200 of Ellie Porter just gets away with that. Fuck that, 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.480 and this baby grows up and finds out that the 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:28.240 killer of his mom is just out there. So then 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:31.400 he goes, listen, if you want to pursue it, that case, 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:34.000 that's on you because you're now going to be active, COEO, 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:37.280 I got an undercover assignment. And Benson goes, oh, we 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:39.960 just got used to you. But he's fucking out of 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:43.560 there and she will be in charge now, and he 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:46.400 goes God's speed and truly walks off like a psycho 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.680 into the mist and Munch walks in and is like, wait, 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.000 I know that guy. How do I know him? And 1:07:52.040 --> 1:07:58.480 Benson calls Murphy Mary Poppins. So they hug so sweet 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:01.800 and muntioned Benson are back again and they talk about tomorrow, 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:05.520 and that turns into a convo about like, you know, 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:07.920 if Munch wants kids, and he says that one of 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.000 his exes did, but he didn't remember which one, but 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:12.520 it just wasn't meant to be. She asks if he 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.440 has any regrets. He says, listen, it's nice to see you, Olivia, 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:18.280 but in a different language, and he goes, you know, 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:20.400 I miss you most of all. And then back in 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:22.840 Family Corps, the judge is like, fuck, so we found 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:25.479 the mom and then she was killed last week. Go wow, okay, 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:27.960 And so then Trevor runs into Core and says he 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:31.280 represented Ellie Porter. She has no living family and doesn't 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:33.280 know who the father is, but he knows that she 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:36.280 loved her son, and he is there is Noah's representative 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:38.080 and to be of service to him in any way 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:40.599 that he can. And I love him, but I. 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:42.679 Says, like this is weird. This is like a weird 1:08:42.680 --> 1:08:44.920 fuck up. I get it's like we wrote this character, 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:47.160 and we wrote this storyline for Benson, but and then 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.040 we wanted to get Brooks Shields to be her mom 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:51.400 and stuff. But like she says she grew up in 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:54.040 foster care and then Trevor says she has no family, 1:08:54.200 --> 1:08:56.479 Like how is that possible? Like she has a Social 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:59.200 Security number, it's easy to find if she has a 1:08:59.200 --> 1:09:02.720 living relative, you know, so this is a whole to me. 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:08.599 Well, Ellie, but I don't know if Grandma Sheila knew 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:14.080 that Noah even existed, Like I wonder if they lost contact, 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:17.200 changed name, Like you're right, I wonder I wonder if 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:19.040 fuck yeah, I mean Ellie, Like it's one thing to 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:19.679 be a runaway. 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:21.519 But it's like if she's in court, like then they 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:22.960 would have had to find her real name. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:26.240 Like she's got a social Like I mean, Brookshields isn't 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:28.760 really the real grandmother and she's just a psycho killer 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:35.559 Grandma Sheila. Yeah yeah, interesting, Okay, But when that all 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:38.439 gets unfolded that like Johnny d is the dad and 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:40.920 there's a grandma, like I feel like Benson yells at 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:42.840 him and goes, this is your fault. You fucked Yeah, 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:45.840 why didn't you find it, so maybe it's more addressed. 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:49.000 But maybe he he fucked up. It isn't a writer 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:53.479 fuck up. Maybe Trevor fucked up. Yes, possible, possible. 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.400 Addiction is tough. Ation is tough. 1:09:56.560 --> 1:09:59.200 So then the judge is like, okay, but also like 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.880 definitely is like this guy's hot, like you can tell 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:05.360 she is into him. And then she also notices Benson 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:07.880 is there again, and so she's like, okay, Noah Porter 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:10.479 will be an orphan of the state unless Benson, you 1:10:10.560 --> 1:10:14.040 rescue the infant. She says yes, and you know, you're 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:16.840 also the only person that's ever taken interest in the 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:20.200 kid consistently, and then she suggests, do you want to 1:10:20.200 --> 1:10:23.479 be the foster mother to this baby? Benson is stunned. 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:32.040 Treva Tureva and Pipper, Trevor and Pippa look at her, 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:34.720 and the judge says, she has a feeling about this, 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.599 so do you agree to take Noah into care for 1:10:37.720 --> 1:10:40.360 at least the year and then you can permanently adopt 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:43.240 him after that year. Tears, you know, well up in 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:46.960 her eyes and she fidgets around and then we do 1:10:47.040 --> 1:10:49.840 a handoff and she gets the baby and then she goes, 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:52.240 oh my God, you look so healthy. And then the 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:56.800 bitch and pink, a different shade of pink goes. Yeah, 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:58.400 we do our job, sergeant. 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:00.639 It's like I can put you to four episodes where 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:05.240 you don't yeah, and it's not about you. 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:09.080 Like so Benson and Noah sit in the chair and 1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:11.599 you know, they're cuddling, and it's a really sweet, sweet 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:15.240 ending and of course a twisted journey ahead that will 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:17.080 you know, we'll get through the whole saga on the 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:20.200 pod eventually. But this is not dick wolf baby. It's 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:22.880 like a nice sweet and no, there was a burned woman. 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:25.360 It is a dick wolf yeah. 1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:28.280 Yeah, but this is this is cute because it's like, 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:31.080 I love this Noah. I love this little baby. I 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:34.320 don't this doesn't look anything like what future Noah grows 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:35.960 up to be. I honestly think this kid has brown 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.400 eyes and the new Noah has light eyes. But whatever, 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:41.320 this baby is very cute and I'm here for him. 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:42.439 Thank you. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:44.600 That was a very entertaining recap. Lease, I have to 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:47.280 tell you you had me laugh. You had me laughing today. 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:48.200 Huge. 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:52.759 There is such a fucked episode. Yeah, but I got 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:56.920 two crimes to talk about, and one is fucked and 1:11:56.960 --> 1:12:06.759 one is kind of heartwarming. So at first I researched 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:08.120 these opposite and then I was like, no, I'm going 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:09.799 to do the fucked up one first and then followed 1:12:09.840 --> 1:12:11.559 up with the heartwarming so that we have like a nice, 1:12:11.600 --> 1:12:13.639 you know, palate cleanser before we go into our guests. 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:16.760 So Ellie Porter's murder I believe is based on the 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:20.680 murder of Brenda Pause by MS thirteen members. I'm not 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:22.840 going to get super into MS thirteen because I believe 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:25.840 there are episodes down the road where they very specifically 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:28.280 get more in depth with MS thirteen, so I'll wait 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:31.920 for that. But basically, in the early two thousands, Brenda 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.800 Pause was a teenager caught up with some extremely dangerous 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:39.080 street gang called MS thirteen, which stands for Mara Salvatruca, 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:43.720 which is a street gang that I believe started in 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.439 El Salvador. It's like hard to say, I guess, but 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:49.240 like El Salvador is like where there's a huge presence 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:50.840 of it and a lot of the members are El 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:55.080 Salvador are Salvadoran, so the gang is active though all 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:57.960 over the US, Canada, Mexico, and Central America. Most members 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:03.400 are Central American. Then their businesses cocaine and marijuana trafficking's 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:05.920 what's written as alien smuggling. I don't like to call 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:08.599 undocumented people aliens, but that's like, you know, they smuggle 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:09.599 people over the border. 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:12.920 I just got so excited because I thought maybe they 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:16.360 were into like UFOs or something, and then the reality 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:16.720 hit me. 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.639 Yeah, sorry, it's unfortunately it's not an ET. 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:23.479 But my green card when I was a kid does 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:24.439 say alien on it. 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:26.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. I think that is 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:30.720 kind of like a weird a government word. Yeah. And 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:37.719 then weapons trafficking, assault, homicide, rape, kidnapping, ID theft, home invasions, carjackings, prostitution, robbery, vandalism, 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:38.519 Like there's nothing. 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:40.519 These guys don't do a lot of a lot of 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:41.360 different crimes. 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:45.559 Yeah, they're extremely violent, which I think is telegraphed in 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:50.639 Little Tino's like very sort of like nihilistic violence where 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:52.720 it's like, yeah, fuck it, like I killed somebody, like 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:55.799 who can you know? Like they're violent, they're focused on expansion. 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:59.479 They recruit a lot of teenagers. So while most women 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:03.320 are initiated into this gang through sex, Brenda was like 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:06.840 kind of scrappy and when she was thirteen. She got 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:09.840 initiated the way men can be initiated, which is getting 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:13.200 beaten by other members of the gang for thirteen seconds, 1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:17.160 and it's called getting jumped in quote unquote. So she, 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:19.800 you know, was a member of this gang. She was 1:14:19.920 --> 1:14:23.240 dating a high ranking member. Her nickname in the gang 1:14:23.320 --> 1:14:26.600 was Smiley. People liked her. She traveled all around the 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:29.880 US with this high ranking member boyfriend of hers. And 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:33.280 then in two thousand and two, Brenda was sixteen and 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.080 witnessed a murder. She was worried that she was going 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.000 to be charged with the murder, so she became a 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:41.800 police informant. She told the police, quote, they want to 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:44.360 be the top gang, the top Hispanic gang, that's what 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:46.080 they want. They want to be the ones with the 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.599 most killings, the most murders. So she knew it's ton 1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:52.080 about this gang that the cops had no idea about, 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:55.320 like hand gestures that they that they would make like 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:59.280 code words, they would use tattoos. Apparently, the tattoo of 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:02.400 this gang is re dots, and the dots stand for 1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:04.719 the three places that the gang will get you, the jail, 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:07.880 the hospital, or the cemetery. Does not seem like a 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:12.600 you know promising thing, but I guess desperate times for 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:16.160 some people. So Brenda. The police said that Brenda gave 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:20.200 them credible information on at least sixty cases, so she 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:23.160 knew what she was fucking talking about. And so she'd 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:26.320 been in federal witness protection and was set to testify 1:15:26.320 --> 1:15:28.760 against her ex boyfriend, whose name was Dennis Rivera, who 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:32.920 was already in prison on another charge. I think this 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.240 must be the high ranking member that she was going 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.599 around with, but I'm not sure. I'm not positive. After 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:42.360 she became pregnant, when she was in witness protection, she 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:45.920 felt isolated, and she returned to Virginia, where she had 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.200 lived before, and it just it sounds like she kind 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:50.040 of just got sucked back into the gang because it 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:51.679 was all she knew. It was like all her friends. 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:54.800 And in June of two thousand and three, about a 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:58.040 year after she began working with the cops, she was murdered. 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:01.760 She was found alongside the Shannando River in Virginia with 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:06.680 multiple stab wounds, approximately thirteen. That's like a thing, the 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:09.400 number thirteen, and then her throat was slit as well. 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:11.400 And sadly, at the time, she was four months pregnant 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:14.680 as I mentioned, so apparently what happened was in a 1:16:14.680 --> 1:16:18.240 hotel room, gang members had gotten together voted unanimously to 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:20.920 green light brenda, which is the same phrase that we 1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:25.160 that they talk about in this episode. So the next morning, 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.960 her new boyfriend at the time Oscar Grande, and her 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:32.960 friend is Ishmael Cisneros or Ismail. I don't know how 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.640 you would say it, but Cisnaros. They took her on 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:39.800 a fishing trip and Grande and Ciscenaro stabbed her thirteen times, 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:42.720 and when she screamed why, they said, because you're a rat. 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:46.200 Grande and Cisnaro's were both charged with her murder, as 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:49.000 well as her ex Denis Rivera, who the prosecutors believe 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:51.960 orchestrated the whole thing from prison. So it's like, you know, 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.040 when they're like who you don't have enough juice for this, Tino, 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:55.880 like who did this? 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:56.360 Who did this? 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:58.360 Like that's like this is the guy who's higher up 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:00.519 that they think orchestrated it. And then there was a 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:04.479 fourth member of the gang named Oscar Garcia or Alana. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:06.760 I'm not super comfortable with how many gang members are 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:10.519 named Oscar in this story, and he was there at 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:13.400 the murder, but he didn't participate. He apparently thought they 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:15.639 were just going fishing the same way that Brenda did, 1:17:15.920 --> 1:17:18.160 and when he turned around, he saw them stabbing her 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:21.479 and he ran away, and he ended up testifying against 1:17:21.479 --> 1:17:24.479 the other two guys. So in May of two thousand 1:17:24.520 --> 1:17:27.800 and five, Grand and Cis Narrow were convicted. The other 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.160 two were acquitted. So the guy who had really nothing 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:32.559 to do with it was acquitted great and then Rivera, 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:34.760 the guy who was in jail and probably orchestrated the 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:35.200 whole thing. 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:37.559 His lawyers argued that, oh. 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:40.080 There's plenty of high up gang members that wanted Brenda dead, 1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:43.000 like everybody knew she had turned to the police, and 1:17:43.040 --> 1:17:46.439 like they even played tapes of Rivera using like codd 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:50.200 gang slang, like seemingly ordering her death. But the jury 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:52.800 did not go for it. So he was convicted of 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.200 an earlier murder though, and he is serving life in prison, 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.920 but just not for Brenda, so he is out of 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:00.000 but who knows. It sounds like he's getting a lot 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:04.200 of chaos done through jail anyway. Brenda thought nobody knew 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:07.360 about her cooperating with the cops, but Detective Bob Freeman 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:10.080 of the US Park Police. I don't know what that 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:13.000 means US Park Police, but he's he investigated her murder. 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:15.479 And he said, oh, I guess maybe because she was 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:16.960 found by the Shanada or whatever. Maybe it was like 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:19.479 a park. But he said the gang was always spying 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:22.960 on its members. Freeman told sixty Minutes quote, misters sis 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:25.760 Naros was recorded, and he's actually talking about conducting a 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:28.800 private investigation into whether or not she's cooperating with law 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:33.360 enforcement end quote. And apparently these guys like not only 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:36.120 run internal investigations about their own people, but they have 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:39.320 regular meetings to talk about recruiting. 1:18:38.800 --> 1:18:40.840 Money and who to greenlight. 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:46.599 You know, aka murder. So sixty Minutes also interviewed Cis Naros, 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:49.080 who is serving life for Brenda's murder, and he told 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:52.640 the police quote MS. Thirteen has rules, you understand, and 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:54.519 when you break the rules, we all have to decide 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:56.720 if you deserve to die. And he told them that 1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:59.000 talking to the police is against their rules. He said 1:18:59.120 --> 1:19:01.880 to sixty minutes, I considered her a friend. She was 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:03.920 a gang member. She was a homeboy. That's what we 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.240 called one another in the gang. He talks in this 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:08.040 interview about how it was very painful for him to 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:10.360 murder her. He's like, it wasn't just her pain. We 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:11.720 were all in pain. Like I did not. 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:12.559 I didn't. 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:15.040 It's like, you know, I didn't want to do that. 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:18.280 But it's like that's the gang. It's I mean, it 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:20.680 is like a cult. Gangs are culty in the brainwashing, 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:25.639 you know. So sadly, Brenda, you know, I'm glad these 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:27.880 two guys got convicted, like they went away for it. 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.360 Brenda's murder also led one of her best friends to 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:32.559 step up to testify against the gang. She was like 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:35.840 so horrified that they would kill her pregnant friend. But 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.080 then when sixty minutes asked this girl, like, what are 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:41.479 your chances of staying alive? She said, quote none. I 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:43.559 mean I can keep myself safe and away from them, 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:45.519 but I mean, if they were to find me, it's 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:47.439 not like they would, you know, give me any mercy. 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:49.760 End quote. So I hope that. 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:54.320 I hope she's okay, okay somewhere secret. Yeah me too, 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:57.840 but like, well I'll just say this too. After the trial, 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:00.840 Oscar Garcia or Alana, the one who didn't really do 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:05.600 anything but testified, he was facing deportation and was terrified 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.040 that because he testified, as soon as he got back 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:10.760 to El Salvador, he'd be murdered, and his lawyers were 1:20:10.760 --> 1:20:12.799 fighting to keep him in the States since he testified 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:15.400 and helped put these other guys away. I literally searched 1:20:15.439 --> 1:20:18.479 his name, I searched court documents. I cannot find what 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.639 happened to him in the end, so I witness protection 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:25.639 as you can't find him exactly. But this case actually 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:28.960 kind of exposed a lot of I don't want to 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:32.120 say weakness or errors in the Witness Protection program because 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:34.160 like they had no idea how to handle like a 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:38.320 teen like Brenda, who was kind of like young and reckless, 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.200 and like even though like a psychological report on her 1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:44.280 recommended that she'd be closely monitored, she was not closely monitored. 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.120 She was moved from an FBI safehouse in Silver Spring, Maryland, 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:50.519 to Philly Kansas City, Minnesota. But like she'd be in 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:54.120 safe houses, she'd be throwing parties, like while underwitness protection 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.880 she invited gang member friends over. Like there'd be underage drinking, drugs, 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:00.120 prostitution all happening at these parties. 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:02.120 And they just weren't. 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:04.640 I don't know, it's not as it feels like in 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:06.840 this case, and maybe in real life, who knows, it 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:08.439 wasn't as locked up as like we take you to 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:10.479 a farm in Wisconsin and you never see anybody you 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.080 know ever Again, like she was contacting people she knew, 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:14.599 and I think that's kind of how she got sucked 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:19.240 back in and sadly she just didn't realize that they 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:23.040 knew she was working with the cops. So I think 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:26.479 that's a little bit of Ellie's murder is based on 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:30.639 that case. And then there's actually like a beautiful story 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:33.559 that I think is the inspiration for part of Baby 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:39.120 Noah's adoption. So in August of two thousand, Danny Stewart, 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:42.000 a social worker, was going to meet his partner for 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:45.160 dinner in New York City. He's on the subway. He 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:47.960 gets off the train at fourteenth Street, the Ace stop 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:49.679 at fourteenth Street, which I know you and I both 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:52.639 are at have been at millions of times in Chelsea, 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:54.920 and he thought there weren't a lot of people in 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:56.640 the station at all. It was like semi deserted. He 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:59.080 thought he saw a doll on the ground, but then 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:02.439 he saw leg of the doll move and what he 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:05.759 found was a newborn baby still with its umbulical cord 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:08.840 wrapped up in a sweatshirt. So he calls nine one one. 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:12.439 Then he calls his partner, Pete Mercurio, and when by 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:15.040 the time Pete got to the station, NYPD was already there, 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:19.720 and the police named the baby Daniel Ace Doe, like 1:22:19.840 --> 1:22:22.360 Ace but like that's the subway stop, but named them 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:26.719 after Danny who found him. And so a citywide search 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:29.639 starts for this baby's mother. All the local news platforms 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:32.640 are covering it. Three months later, no luck, they do 1:22:32.720 --> 1:22:35.080 not find this baby. I mean, you have to assume 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:37.080 this woman probably did not give birth in a hospital 1:22:37.160 --> 1:22:40.280 if the baby had still had the umbilical cord attached. 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:44.120 Danny ended up at a family court hearing telling the 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:47.160 judge about how he'd found the baby, and then suddenly, 1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:50.320 just like in the episode, the judge was like, would 1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:53.840 you be interested in adopting this baby? And he said 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.880 to NBC New York he said, quote, I think everyone 1:22:56.920 --> 1:23:00.320 in the courtroom their jaws dropped. Everyone was quiet, everyone 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:02.720 was looking at me. And I said, yes, but it's 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:05.280 not that easy. And she said, well it can be. 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:08.280 So even though he and his partner had only been 1:23:08.360 --> 1:23:10.679 dating for like three years. They hadn't really discussed plans 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.800 for a family. Stuart told NBC New York. I thought, 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.800 maybe this is destiny, Maybe this is divine intervention. This 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:18.800 is a gift we're given, and how can we say 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.280 no to a gift? So initially they thought, oh, this 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:25.000 will take forever, all the paperwork, the legal hoops you 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:27.640 got to jump through. But the judge like must have 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:30.679 seen something in them, and a week after the initial 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:33.400 court hearing, just a few days before Christmas, she was like, 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:34.600 do you guys want to take him home for the 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:38.400 holiday weekend? And he's been with them ever since. And 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:40.760 they fostered the baby for two years and then they 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:43.400 adopted him in December of two thousand and two. They 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:47.240 named him Kevin. And later when Danny and Pete got 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:50.559 married after gay marriage was legalized, that judge married them, 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.800 which I love so sweet, And they asked her when 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:56.640 they I guess they hadn't spoken to her in a 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:58.360 few years, but then they asked her to marry them. 1:23:58.360 --> 1:23:59.920 And then they asked her, like, how were you able 1:23:59.960 --> 1:24:02.160 to like get us to adopt Kevin so fast? And 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:05.599 she explained that at the time there was a pilot 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:08.280 program in New York that gave her, as a judge, 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.720 the power to expedite adoptions in certain cases of abandonment, 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:14.120 and that allowed her to quickly place the baby in 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.439 a home that she perceived to be a loving home. 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:22.360 And that program sadly only lasted six months. And what 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:24.400 the fuck, I don't know, but like it. 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:28.360 We can't even have fucking libraries open on Sundays. I 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:29.800 know why they shut it down. 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:34.519 But it happened to fall within the six months that 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:36.320 they found this baby and that this all went down. 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:38.559 They just said it was like so many little miracles, 1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:40.800 like piled on top of each other, like oh, this 1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:42.080 program and this and that. 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:42.720 You know. 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:46.200 So Pete, the partner who didn't find him but you know, 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:49.679 raised him as dad, eventually wrote a book called Our 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:52.640 Subway Baby that he calls quote a love letter to 1:24:52.680 --> 1:24:55.800 our son, which I love. It's available in hardcover and 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:59.639 ebook and also in a Japanese translation, and I'm linking 1:24:59.680 --> 1:25:03.320 to it in our sources. And Kevin is grown up 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:06.240 and is like twenty, you know, twenty three or four 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:09.320 years old now. He graduated from Swarthmore, which is like 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:11.559 truly the number one liberal arts college. It's like one 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:15.120 of the top three in the country. And you know, 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.240 the two dads have always said that they feel for 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:21.000 Kevin's biological mom, and Pete told CNN quote one way 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:23.200 or another, that's a desperate measure to take, and I 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:26.120 can only imagine the anguish that was leaving your child. 1:25:26.439 --> 1:25:28.439 We've always told Kevin from a very young age that 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:30.360 he was left out of love so that he could 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:32.280 be found and cared for. We never use the word 1:25:32.320 --> 1:25:35.680 abandonment or abandon We said she left you where you 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:36.760 could be found by us. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:38.200 End quote. 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:40.559 So I thought that was like such a sweet story. 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:42.559 I had never heard it before. 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:47.120 And yeah, hopefully Kevin is just like living a great 1:25:47.160 --> 1:25:50.280 life with his two dads still. But there is in 1:25:50.320 --> 1:25:52.840 one of my sources a really sweet picture of them, 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:55.280 like on a family trip and Kevin's like tall and 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:59.320 cute and has these two cool dads and it's great. 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:06.880 So well, and to have like a liberal judge, yeah 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:09.479 totally isn't a big it. I don't know. It's just 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:13.760 I wonder if family court judges have to be different vibes. 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:16.240 But no, because we know about judges that were paid off, 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.040 but that was just courts maybe it's different. I just 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:23.280 I do wonder there was a reason the family court, 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.160 like certain judges could expedite stuff. I am curious why 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:28.720 it ended. Why wouldn't you want to get babies from 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:33.080 trount like that have gone through traumatic things into a home. Yeah, 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:34.040 I mean, and. 1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:36.680 They said, like certain cases of abandonment. So it's not 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:38.800 like they're just gonna be matching up random kids in 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:40.960 the foster system to other parents, you know, It's like 1:26:41.000 --> 1:26:44.400 it has to be like fully abandoned. No family found 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:46.639 like a three month search one on for this woman. 1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:49.640 But I'm just so glad that it happened during this 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.280 pilot program because otherwise that kid could have just totally 1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:54.400 been fed into the system and instead he found this 1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:57.400 like very loving home. Not that there are not loving 1:26:57.400 --> 1:26:59.719 foster parents, which of course there are, and the system 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:03.080 can work, but it also has a lot of problems, 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:06.960 as we've covered many times on this podcast. But yeah, 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:10.200 that's that's that should. 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:14.360 We get to our guests looking up the book Our 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:17.880 Subway Baby, and it's ninety three percent five stars. But 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:20.000 I was like, I wonder if the fucking one star 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:23.680 one percent or some homophobic fucks I want it and 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:26.040 then it was actually like, oh, it wouldn't download on 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:30.800 my kindle the font was too small or something like that. 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:31.720 So I was like, oh, that's good. 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.400 Oh it's like an old person that can't use their kindle. 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:40.519 Yeah, I was. I was relieved. There. I love that. Yeah, damn, 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:44.240 we never really get such heartwarming news on this podcast. 1:27:46.240 --> 1:27:49.200 But also like, yeah, we gotta be baby. You can 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.040 leave a baby at a fire station the subway. It 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.240 worked out. It worked out well, but that's the subway 1:27:54.439 --> 1:27:55.360 is busy though. 1:27:56.040 --> 1:27:56.360 True. 1:27:56.479 --> 1:27:58.160 They are going to be found a see. 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:01.280 Fourteenth Street, They're gonna be found. Yeah, that's a busy's 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:04.160 that is busy. Yeah, it might be me. 1:28:04.600 --> 1:28:07.160 Coming home from coming home from a show. 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:09.759 I wonder how long the baby was even out there. 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.680 I know he was he was when they found him. 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:15.640 He was like in good health, breathing, you know, like 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:18.280 everything he was. You know, I don't think that there 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:24.519 was you know, critical care that he needed. But nice story. Okay, 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:33.000 let's get into our interview. This is a fun one. 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:38.760 Today's guest is an actor and a musician. Multi talented. 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:42.080 You've seen him on poker Face, Gossip Girl, and Lights Out. 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:45.360 He's also been on SVU four different times, always playing 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:47.400 some sort of evil man, but you know him today 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:51.639 as the not so little Little Tino. Guys, please enjoy 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:55.320 our convo with the delightful gk Ume. We've had guests 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:58.040 come to us so many different ways, Like I've met 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:02.280 actors on the playground in La where I've like been like, 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:05.320 you got to come to my podcast on a delta flight, 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:07.960 or yeah, on a delta flight. One time we met 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:10.760 a guest and you were one of our listeners, met 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.120 you at a party and pitched us to you. 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:16.160 Yes, she's well, she's actually a good friend of my 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:19.400 sister and brother in law and so okay, she's kind 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.320 of like over the years of me doing episodes of 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:25.280 SVUSH and she's been like, okay, so tell me about 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:27.559 this episode and what really happened with SO, and can 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:29.280 you tell me is SO and SO going to live? 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:30.760 And I'm like, you know, I can't tell your stuff, 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:32.040 you know, before it airs. 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:35.080 And then she mentioned this podcast to me a while 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:38.559 back and kind of piqued my curiosity and got me 1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:41.320 into it. And then as I was looking through, one 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:43.799 of the first ones that I saw was an episode 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:46.839 you did with an actor named Mark Taulman. Oh yeah, 1:29:46.880 --> 1:29:51.000 it's actually like a loose friend of mine. But interestingly enough, 1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:56.559 we have like these multiple intersections career wise because he was. 1:29:57.560 --> 1:29:59.559 So he was. He's obviously been on SVU, which is 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:00.679 why you got talk to him. 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:04.160 But he did a show for NBC called State of 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:08.000 Affairs with Catherine Heigel, and he and I were actually 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:11.599 both cast for that because of how similar we look facially. 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:15.439 We're both like similar complexion, shaved head. Yeah, except he's 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:18.559 like six foot four, so he's you know, like half 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:22.040 a head taller than me. But and for the episode, 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:26.240 Catherine Heigel, I believe, if I'm not misremembering, her character 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:28.439 fell in love with a guy who worked for the 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.400 state department. He gets killed, and then she sees a 1:30:31.479 --> 1:30:33.759 video of a doctor working in like a doctor's without 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:37.480 border setting, and that doctor is me and I get kidnapped, 1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:39.320 and that's like the pilot episode. 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:41.320 The reason why she goes so hard in the paint. 1:30:41.360 --> 1:30:43.160 She's like, I gotta see I gotta save this guy 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:45.640 if there's any way we can is because I'm reminding 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.200 her of her deceased boyfriend, who maybe later in the 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:49.840 season turned out not to be the season I don't know. 1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:52.240 I will confess I did not see the entire seasm, 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:55.639 but something along that line. So he and I met 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:57.599 and I was like, I think we got cast, because 1:30:58.000 --> 1:30:59.599 he's like, yeah, I think that's part of why. 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:04.679 Yeah, Oh my gosh, small world. We're also both loose 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:09.320 friends with Mark Tallman and I went to high school 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:10.080 with Catherine Heigel. 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:12.479 Oh really, that's fine. 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:15.559 Really a lot of connects, a lot of connect You 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:17.960 have had all these different parts, like because you were 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:20.760 in the episode Educated Guests, where you were like a 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:27.040 corrections officer captain, and then you're awakening Yes, yes, who 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:29.240 who you know? 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:29.920 Good? 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:31.880 Not the most scrupulous captain. 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:35.280 I love the fact that he tries to pin off 1:31:35.400 --> 1:31:38.960 his role in the sexual assault that took place as 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:40.760 like him just doing research for the job. 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:41.479 Uh. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.639 Which was a very funny moment on the show because 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:46.479 they were trying to figure out a way to get 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:49.960 the line that I delivered Danny Pino and Richard Belzer 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:53.080 in the interrogation room, the late Great Richard Belzer. 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:54.880 The line that I delivered to them. 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:57.840 They rewrote it like five or six different ways because 1:31:57.840 --> 1:31:59.040 the census kept being like. 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:01.439 It ended up being like below E can I speak 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:02.200 freely here. 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:04.360 Yeah, I think so. 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.120 It originally it was and I didn't have sex with 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.880 the It was just head, right, that was the original line, 1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:12.479 and they were like, no, you can't say that, so 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:14.160 they can't say head. 1:32:14.200 --> 1:32:18.519 May I mean this is also I think I said. 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:20.800 I think I said it was just a BJ, which 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:23.920 like the part about that is like then it was 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:26.160 just head sounds like the way that somebody would say 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:27.800 it in real life saying it was just a BJ. 1:32:28.040 --> 1:32:30.760 Like by the third or fourth take, every time we cut, 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:31.679 the crew was laughing. 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:36.040 It was like, you know, there's. 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:36.400 Like you're in high school. 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:37.439 I mean, that's such a. 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:39.439 Weird there's just right, there's no way to say that 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:42.479 with gravitos, you know, So it became kind of a 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:43.599 silly line, but it was fun. 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:45.920 Uh, And that was that was a great episode of work. 1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:50.160 That is so fine. You mentioned Richard Belzer and I'm 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:54.920 curious how it was to work with him. Then Terrogah like, yeah, 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:56.360 what a special. 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:59.200 Guy, Yeah, what what an incredible talent? And uh, I 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:02.320 think actually truly, I didn't remember it at the time. 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:05.799 So he interrogates me with Danny Pino in the Educated 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:08.400 Guest episode where I was kind of like the false 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:10.800 bottom back guy, you know, like I'm the bad guy, 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:12.160 but not the real bad guy. You got to go 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:14.639 through the floor to get to who really did something wrong, 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:18.479 which is you know which also interesting that the star 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:19.400 of the episode. 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:19.920 Is Natasha Leon. 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:21.960 Yes, and then I saw that you were in an 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:24.400 episode of poker Face where you're in her You're in 1:33:24.439 --> 1:33:27.800 the band with Chloe seven year, which great episode. 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:30.040 So that would be the second time that she sent 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:34.280 me to jail so far in my career. But yeah, no, 1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:35.920 so that was great to get to work with her again. 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:41.439 But so on that episode, I got interrogated by Belzer. 1:33:41.600 --> 1:33:46.680 But then in the Spring Awakening episode, I think that 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:49.920 might be the last episode he did because. 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:53.960 It was the last episode of season fifteen. 1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:58.720 And that's when like Danny Pino's character has had this 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:01.479 whole thing where he up a guy and he was, 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:04.080 you know, I ab was coming after him. Yeah, and 1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:07.559 then Belli actually bails him out, you know he's supposed 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:07.880 to be in. 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:10.080 Like, which is wild to me because the bail was 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:13.640 half a million dollars and like, even if Belser retired, 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:18.240 great invested great to have a loose half million is wild. 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:20.080 If the bail was half a million, he's putting down 1:34:20.120 --> 1:34:23.000 fifty k, right, Yeah, he's bonding. 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:24.400 Out for tempt Yeah yeah, that's yeah. 1:34:24.439 --> 1:34:26.840 And so he bonds out with him and goes the 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:30.760 other four fifty If Danny if Amaro's character skips, which 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:31.799 you know he's not going. 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:34.720 To right, Okay, So it's a little bit morelosible. 1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:36.639 It's still like fifty thousand cats to just be able 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:38.439 to I got you, I got. 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:40.880 You, especially a man with that many ex wives, Like 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:43.600 he's got to be paying some you know, alimony, I 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:47.040 feel like all over town. But so you who knows. 1:34:47.240 --> 1:34:49.320 Yeah that was He left at the end of fifte 1:34:49.360 --> 1:34:51.559 of season fifteen, and then he had like a couple 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:54.680 of little guests. Spot cameos later, but that was the 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:58.559 end of like, you know, bellser as a regular, Munch 1:34:58.560 --> 1:34:59.200 as a regular. 1:34:59.520 --> 1:34:59.880 He was fan. 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:02.840 I didn't realize I was. I was actually looking into it. 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:05.439 Is he the same character on Homicide Life on the Street. 1:35:05.720 --> 1:35:07.160 He was right, He's the only. 1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:09.960 Right, he's been the same character on like four or five. 1:35:10.000 --> 1:35:13.599 He has the record of playing the same character different show. 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:16.439 Yes, Yes, because I think he did like one episode 1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:19.559 of X Files where he played much like he's literally 1:35:19.640 --> 1:35:21.439 playing and I think he's been on The Simpsons and 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:25.519 Sesame Street as Munch, like he's done like so many much. 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:31.519 He's just everywhere, Yes, Munch forever. But yeah, so you 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:35.679 went from being law enforcement to this like real piece. 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:36.000 Of ship. 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:40.760 And then and then you did a more recent episode 1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:45.040 where you play this like really not bad guy. 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:48.240 Yeah, wait, you're the is he Are you the bad. 1:35:48.040 --> 1:35:49.840 Guy at the end of Tommy Baker's hardest. 1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:50.599 Fight at the end. 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:52.960 Yeah, I'm the guy that you get to when you 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:55.720 go through the false bottom, but I'm a more sympathetic 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:56.280 bad guy. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:35:59.280 I'm like, oh my god, because I was watching just 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.639 your scene where you're confessing, not confessing where you're confessing 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:05.080 the relationship, and I was like, so sweet they had 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:06.520 this hidden relationship. 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:07.200 But I didn't. 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:08.639 I didn't get to the end. 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:12.719 I've only seen that one once. Wow. But you weren't 1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:14.959 a bad bad like the other guy did the murder, 1:36:15.080 --> 1:36:18.479 but you were you manipulated and hit the Well. 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:21.840 No, he didn't die. He doesn't die. Oh yes, he 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.800 lives the hardest fight, you know, but he doesn't die. 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.000 Uh you know, so it's oh. 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:30.120 Yeah, it is his hardest fight, but not as hard as. 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:29.960 Not the one. 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.439 That's what I mean. You're in too many episodes. 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:35.760 But you know what's funny about that is, so I 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:38.719 have a daughter who's actually a freshman at UCLA right now. 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:42.120 And oh my god, I started doing SVU. 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.120 She was, I guess seven or eight years old at 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:47.000 the time, and so, you know, I was, you know, 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:49.479 I got this show. It's it's one of the biggest shows. 1:36:49.479 --> 1:36:51.120 It's a New York institution. It's a big deal me 1:36:51.120 --> 1:36:52.600 getting on this show. She said, oh, it's great, I 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:54.920 can't wait to see it. I was like, you know, 1:36:56.120 --> 1:36:56.920 probably not going. 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:59.080 To get to watch this one yet, you know. 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:01.120 And so then has she seen it yet? 1:37:01.200 --> 1:37:03.080 Well, so then years go by, right, and and I 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:06.000 do Little Tino two seasons later or three seasons later, 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.240 and she's like, oh, you're going back to you great, 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:10.080 So now I get to watch this one cause you're 1:37:10.080 --> 1:37:10.639 a little bit older. 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:16.960 I was like, this one's this one's even right. 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:19.760 And so finally, you know, when I when I did 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:22.920 the Field Diaz character, which was two years ago, I think, yep, 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:25.559 she's in high school, she's she's young woman. She can 1:37:25.640 --> 1:37:28.479 handle the subject matter, and she said, Oh, Proby, that's great. 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:30.040 You finally get to play a good guy. 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:30.479 I was, like. 1:37:32.640 --> 1:37:36.760 Good Red Harry technically a career criminal or corrupt law 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:37.679 enforcement officer. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:39.679 But I'm still not a good guy. 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:42.840 But I feel like I'm echoing ever closer to that 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:45.000 neutral portion of. 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:47.559 Yeah, well now you're due for lawyers. Yeah, I got 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:49.559 to do for like either a lawyer or like a 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:53.800 person somebody, a person who helps victims in some way. 1:37:54.040 --> 1:37:54.360 I hope. 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:56.479 So I could see you as a lawyer on that 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:57.160 show for sure. 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:59.000 Yeah, I think we'll also, you know, as you age, 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:02.439 you get into more of the kind of mature man 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:03.559 of a certain age role. 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:04.840 So that's what I'm hoping for. 1:38:05.320 --> 1:38:09.080 So this episode, did they bring you in to be 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:15.840 Little Tino? So your first like, so tell us about 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:18.479 getting stabbed to death or that. 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:20.799 Well, you know, I like to believe that that little 1:38:20.840 --> 1:38:24.280 Tino didn't actually die. Okay, you know, he survives those 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:28.479 goes on, He you know, recuperates his life and becomes 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:32.000 a credit to society. I don't know, maybe that's not 1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:35.240 in the cause for him, but that was you know, 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:37.280 that episode was a lot of fun. There was there 1:38:37.280 --> 1:38:39.519 were a lot of moving parts, there we went that 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:42.360 scene in the hotel. We actually shot that at a 1:38:42.400 --> 1:38:46.479 Times Square hotel over on like eighth Avenue and forty 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:48.360 third I want to say, like forty third or forty fourth, 1:38:48.920 --> 1:38:52.439 and you know, we were out in the city doing stuff. 1:38:53.320 --> 1:38:56.240 You know, there's we we had a bunch of scenes 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.200 at you know, over in at Chelsea Piers at their studio, 1:38:59.479 --> 1:38:59.960 but you know. 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:01.720 We got to hop around a bit. Uh. 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:04.439 That episode was donal Log's last episode of the show 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:05.160 before he moved on. 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:06.799 I think that's when he went to go do Vikings. 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:11.439 Fantastic actor, such an interesting character as a human being 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:13.320 and an incredibly gifted artist as well. 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:16.000 And so he comes in, you know, we're talking for 1:39:16.040 --> 1:39:16.479 a little bit. 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.040 We'd like done the table read where in our rooms 1:39:19.040 --> 1:39:21.360 there's like a bay where they have all the rooms 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:23.719 for the talent, and obviously, you know the series regulars 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:26.599 have their kind of wing. But then the special episode 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:30.360 guest stars have another side that we were on and 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:33.639 as he says, ah, yeah, GK, your last name Ume, 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.519 I was like yeah, yeah, Ume, And I started to 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:38.479 explain the you know, the origins of an. 1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:39.840 Amy's like that's Ebo right. 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:44.240 I was like, yes, that is Ebo, which the Ebo is, 1:39:44.720 --> 1:39:47.200 you know, our nation within Nigeria. That's my my father's 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:51.800 people are our tribes, so to speak. And usually, like 1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:55.240 at best for most Westerners, if they see my last name, 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:57.439 they'll say, oh, is that African or they'll maybe even 1:39:57.439 --> 1:39:59.960 guess West African or Nigerian. But I think that's maybe 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:01.479 one of two or three times in my life that 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:05.200 somebody who is not of African descent came and said, oh, 1:40:05.840 --> 1:40:08.400 that's Ebo, isn't it. And I said, as a matter 1:40:08.400 --> 1:40:11.599 of fact, it is. And he said, hmm, my parents 1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:15.400 met in Warri. I was like, I'm like, did a 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:16.920 double take, and I'm looking at him because you know, 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:21.480 here's here's Danaal, who was you know, a near six foot, redheaded, 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:25.680 clearly clearly Irish man. Yeah, and I'm like, do you 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:29.800 mean Warri, Nigeria. 1:40:29.840 --> 1:40:32.320 And it turns out that his parents were involved. 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:35.280 I don't want to mistell his story, but some some 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.280 sort of like missionary work and they met over there, 1:40:37.280 --> 1:40:40.719 so he has, like I mean, he's just truly truly 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:42.799 a citizen of the world. You know, he like speaks 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:46.120 fluent Spanish. He's lived in many different countries, and so 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:48.559 we really struck up a conversation and had a lot 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:51.320 of fun working with him and just getting to know him. 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:54.519 And then he was off to wherever, Scandinavia to shoot 1:40:54.720 --> 1:40:57.120 Vikings for a season immediately thereafter. 1:40:57.600 --> 1:40:58.880 But it was it was a lot of fun. 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:00.080 And then you know, I got to hang out in 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:02.360 an interrogation room with Iced Tea, which you know for 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:04.800 like for Adolescent GK. 1:41:04.960 --> 1:41:08.280 That was like you know that fantasy camp. 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:10.880 Yeah, I mean I was in an interrogation room with 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.320 Iced Tea, like wrapping his lyrics back. 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:16.679 To him, like you know, yeah, well he did. 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:18.960 But so there's a song that he has on the 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:22.720 Power album, which was like huge, huge album of the 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:25.479 one of the biggest uh we West Coast hip hop 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:29.200 albums of that era, even before n w A and 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.840 uh there's a songwriter called high Rollers, and I started 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:32.800 wrapping the lyrics. 1:41:32.560 --> 1:41:35.320 Back to him. He was like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Uh, 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:37.439 actually that's not what that line is. 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:40.920 I was like, he's like a lot of people think that, 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:43.320 but it's actually speed of life because the light the 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:45.160 line goes speed of life fast. 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:47.720 It's like walking bare of foot over broken glass. But 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:50.760 my entire life I thought it was speed of Light. 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:53.679 Yeah, fast, and you think you know speed of life, 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:58.160 Comma fast because the rest of the verse everything is 1:41:58.240 --> 1:42:01.320 like a first part set up in a second part description. 1:42:01.400 --> 1:42:03.200 That's the way he splits up all the rhyming couplets. 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:05.880 And so I hadn't even picked it up because it's 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:07.320 one of those things like I memorized it in my 1:42:07.360 --> 1:42:09.599 adolescent brain and never re evaluated what. 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:11.519 I was actually. Yeah, so that was cool. 1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:17.200 So he corrected me on that, and. 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:17.320 We all just kind of had to remember lyrics, like 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:19.840 listen to them and memorize them. It's like now Spotify 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:23.000 like every song, yeah, I can show you can kind 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:25.040 of like you know, but we had to just kind of. 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:28.360 Got down with the album wider notes and run it 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:29.559 back and listen to it again. 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:31.680 I'm going to get this song if it kills me. 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:35.080 But your musical right used to do music. 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:38.280 Yeah, I was actually my I came to New York 1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:41.080 as a musician. I came to New York as an 1:42:41.160 --> 1:42:43.559 MC and I was rhyming, and I was in live 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:45.680 hip hop bands and I was doing MC battles and 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:48.120 all of that type of stuff. So iced tea was 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:52.439 like fundamental to my development as both a writer and 1:42:52.479 --> 1:42:55.200 as an artist and everything that came after. So that's 1:42:55.200 --> 1:42:57.240 why I say it was literally for me, Like there 1:42:57.240 --> 1:43:01.719 were a couple like Iced Tea, the Deo see Q Tip, 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:05.840 I mean, you know, Chuck D from Public Enemy, Like 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:10.240 those were like my foundational kind of hip hop educators 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:12.120 as both you know, as far as tone and content 1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:13.880 and the type of things. I always like people who 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:17.639 were somehow splitting that fine line between like politics, revolution, 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:21.160 a little bit of the partying. But yeah, so that 1:43:21.320 --> 1:43:23.920 that was definitely like, Wow, I feel like I've actually 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:24.840 come full circle now. 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:27.680 But you play instruments too, right, I do. 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:30.600 Actually I had to take down some of my guitars 1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:33.720 because I was getting too much echo in the room. 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:35.720 But yeah, so I played, I played guitar, I play 1:43:35.760 --> 1:43:38.040 bass and sing a rap. 1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:38.920 I do all of that. 1:43:39.120 --> 1:43:39.280 Oh. 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:40.880 I was just gonna get back a little bit to 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:44.880 the episode and talk about Tino's wardrobe. Clock. 1:43:45.479 --> 1:43:48.080 They have a lot of a leather vest. 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:50.880 I mean the best. Also, it was we were shooting 1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:53.320 that in like this time of year. It was because 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:55.160 the last episode of season, so we're shooting that in 1:43:55.160 --> 1:43:57.639 like mid to late May. It was seventy eight eighty 1:43:57.640 --> 1:43:59.599 five degrees in the street and I'm walking around from 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:02.040 my trailer back to set in a leather vest. 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:03.000 I'm like, oh, this is. 1:44:05.640 --> 1:44:07.840 And fake tattoos? Right? Uh? 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:10.519 No, I mean did they add tattoos? 1:44:11.240 --> 1:44:15.800 Those these are I think that one was actually all 1:44:15.840 --> 1:44:16.520 my tattoos. 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.800 I don't think they Yeah, they might have done like 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:19.719 did they do a tear drop? 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:20.960 And I grew you know, I grew out like the 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:23.080 chin strapped beard and all that, But I think the 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:24.439 tattoos might all been mine on that. 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:27.519 Well, wait, in your episode of poker Face, you're in 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:29.479 a band, and are you really playing music with the 1:44:29.520 --> 1:44:30.840 band in that episode? 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:35.960 So that episode, the guitarist in that band is a 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:39.360 guy named John Darnell who's from a very well known 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:39.640 band of. 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:41.120 The Mountain Goats I believe is the name of the band. 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:44.559 Oh yeah, and they've toured for like thirty years, like 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:48.400 they're all over the world, and he is good friends 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:49.280 with Ryan Johnson. 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:52.679 He and his production partner wrote all that music. 1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:55.400 So that was all original music written by them, And 1:44:56.000 --> 1:44:57.760 so I auditioned for that. 1:44:57.760 --> 1:44:59.599 That was the like kind of the beginning of the. 1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:02.280 Era of of the modern self tape for me and 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:05.080 auditioned for that in my kitchen right over there, and 1:45:05.080 --> 1:45:07.080 they were like, oh, can you also can you actually 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:07.559 play bass? 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:08.479 I was like, yeah, I play, babe. 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.600 They're like, okay, put yourself on tape plane, you know, 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:12.760 just laid down a couple of baselines. So I did it, 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:14.920 sent it in and forgot about it. This is my 1:45:15.000 --> 1:45:17.960 That's like, I'm very superstitious. Like once I've done an audition, 1:45:18.040 --> 1:45:19.519 I don't talk about it anymore. I don't think about 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:21.720 it again. That's how I make peace with myself. And 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:23.519 if I hear something, it's a pleasant surprise. 1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:24.720 Yeah. 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:26.599 But so I put it out out of side, out 1:45:26.600 --> 1:45:30.320 of the moon, and definitely more than a month, like 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:34.200 six weeks went by and my agency called and my 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:36.960 agent at the time, John was like, so, uh yeah, 1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:38.920 they they're gonna make you an offer for poker Face. 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:41.760 I was like, that's amazing. Spence, which one was po 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:42.439 poker Face? 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:45.240 He's like, poker Face, Oh, it's this one and it's 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:46.519 Ryan Johnson's the EP. 1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:48.000 I was like, oh great, that's amazing. 1:45:48.080 --> 1:45:48.920 It's cool. 1:45:49.040 --> 1:45:50.639 And so you know, the Caston's gonna get in touch 1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:52.360 with you. You double check your size card and then. 1:45:52.280 --> 1:45:55.040 You had to like do rehearsals and like learn this well. 1:45:55.120 --> 1:45:56.600 So then so the. 1:45:56.720 --> 1:45:58.960 Check I still don't know, you know, I still don't 1:45:58.960 --> 1:46:01.840 remember what the show was. I don't remember the audition 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:05.240 piece or the size or anything. And they they they, 1:46:05.360 --> 1:46:06.840 you know, they get touch with me from production. They 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:09.040 send me all these details and they're like, cool, and 1:46:09.080 --> 1:46:11.240 our music supervisor is gonna be get in touch with you. 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:14.120 He's gonna send you the sheet music if you want, 1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:16.679 but he'll get you audio files MP three's and songs 1:46:16.680 --> 1:46:18.559 and everything. So you know, just if you can just 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:20.439 learn those between now when we start shooting and they 1:46:20.439 --> 1:46:22.840 gave it to me. Actually it's almost two years ago 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:24.120 to the day, because they gave it to me the 1:46:24.160 --> 1:46:27.160 Thursday before Memorial Day weekend and we were starting shooting 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:30.840 the tuesday after. Now, I play guitar every day. I 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:34.680 haven't picked up my bass in years. Okay, So they 1:46:34.720 --> 1:46:37.479 send me and it's like three or four songs and 1:46:37.520 --> 1:46:39.400 they didn't send me as, they didn't send me any 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:41.679 sheet music. They're like, here, cool, just learn it, because 1:46:41.840 --> 1:46:43.240 you know, I'm like, it's like the fake it till 1:46:43.240 --> 1:46:44.880 you make a thing, like yeah, whatever bass, anything you 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:45.400 got on bass. 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:46.479 I got it. I can play it for the role. 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:46.920 Don't worry. 1:46:46.920 --> 1:46:48.880 If that's what you need, I'm your guy. And so 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:51.240 I'd like had to learn these songs and then like, 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.200 as I'm getting further than the process, they're like, oh, well, 1:46:53.240 --> 1:46:56.160 don't worry because the songwriter he's playing the other member 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:58.000 of the band. So if I was like, oh, I 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:00.720 really have to learn these songs because otherwise torturing the 1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:01.519 music of the guy. 1:47:01.439 --> 1:47:04.160 Standing next to me. So they went from zero to sixty. 1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:04.640 Uh. 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:07.639 Suffice it to say, I spent my entire Memoriality weekend 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:08.799 playing bass. 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:11.120 But I got to set on Tuesday and I knew 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:13.080 the song, so yeah, I did. 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:15.120 Oh my god, that was a fun episode. And Chloe 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:19.160 Savigny also fantastic a svu alum. 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:22.719 Yep yep and and a fantastic talent, and she and 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:25.160 Natasha obviously very close as well, so it was like 1:47:25.400 --> 1:47:26.400 kind of a homecoming for. 1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:28.080 Them and it was yeah, a little busties. 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:29.800 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That was great. 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.280 How was it having all those kids on set? Do 1:47:32.320 --> 1:47:34.280 you remember it being kind of a madhouse of a 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:37.000 ton of twins and parents and like, so what. 1:47:36.880 --> 1:47:39.240 They do in instances like that because they're for that 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:42.400 shot specifically, there's so many kids, Like, there's not nobody 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:45.880 superfluous is even in is on set for that. They 1:47:45.920 --> 1:47:48.040 shoot that completely separately to make sure that they can 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:49.920 have you know, because there's very strict rules as far 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:52.439 as like usage, how many you know, how much time 1:47:52.479 --> 1:47:54.840 you can have a baby on camera on set, et cetera, 1:47:55.000 --> 1:47:57.800 and going back to their chaperone slash parents, what have you. 1:47:57.840 --> 1:47:59.439 So I didn't. I wasn't even in the room for 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:01.760 a year. I literally you know, I wish I could. 1:48:01.800 --> 1:48:04.120 I wish I could give you some juice there, but 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:07.920 I literally, In fact, the way that scene ends there, 1:48:08.080 --> 1:48:11.080 you know, is Marishika is like search the house, He's 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.000 here somewhere, right, and so then yeah, and then it 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:17.280 cuts to me jumping out of the second story window 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:19.040 onto the roof of a truck, down to the ground 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:19.840 and running down the. 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:21.280 Gangway behind the house. Right. 1:48:21.920 --> 1:48:25.280 So when they were going to shoot that, I was like, 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:27.439 you know, I've been working out a lot and I've 1:48:27.479 --> 1:48:29.760 been doing you know, they had just gotten into snowboarding, 1:48:29.800 --> 1:48:31.560 and I was doing like a lot more like acrobatic 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:33.479 agile stuff. I had studied for a number of years 1:48:33.479 --> 1:48:36.840 at the USA Shatland Temple down in Chinatown, and I 1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:38.559 was like feeling I was feeling myself a little bit. 1:48:38.600 --> 1:48:41.719 So I was like, you know what, Laurren, I want 1:48:41.720 --> 1:48:42.400 to do this stunt. 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:45.360 I got this because like, yeah, we got to start 1:48:45.400 --> 1:48:47.320 the let's let's see how it looks on the day 1:48:47.600 --> 1:48:49.439 and if you're still feeling that, we'll talk about it. 1:48:49.720 --> 1:48:51.439 And they had this stunt double who was like a 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.120 parkour specialist. I wish I could remember his name, Fantastic. 1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:56.639 I got a picture with him somewhere in my my Instagram, 1:48:56.640 --> 1:48:58.880 but fantastic guy. We got along really well and said 1:48:58.960 --> 1:49:02.519 very cool dude. But he had a full head of hair, 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:06.240 you know, beautiful hair. And they were like and he's like, yeah, 1:49:06.240 --> 1:49:07.479 so I got to go get my hair shaped. I 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:10.479 was like, what think I got this? You know, and 1:49:10.520 --> 1:49:12.400 he's like signed on part of his contract is he 1:49:12.439 --> 1:49:14.519 has to be willing to get his hair shaved. I'm like, yeah, 1:49:14.560 --> 1:49:16.800 I'll make this guy shave this, you know, if he 1:49:16.800 --> 1:49:18.439 doesn't have to, if I'm going to do the stunt. 1:49:18.880 --> 1:49:20.679 So you know, I'm feeling better and better I'm looking 1:49:20.680 --> 1:49:22.519 at it. He's like I'm like so how would you 1:49:22.560 --> 1:49:24.280 do it? Like what what? What? When you look at this, 1:49:24.320 --> 1:49:25.840 how would you break down this stunt? He's like, what's 1:49:25.880 --> 1:49:26.320 two moves. 1:49:26.320 --> 1:49:28.519 It's from the little roof of the porch down onto 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:30.360 the truck, which is like make an eight foot drop, 1:49:30.600 --> 1:49:32.080 and then from the truck down to the ground, which 1:49:32.120 --> 1:49:33.800 is like a nine foot drop, right. And he's like, 1:49:33.800 --> 1:49:37.240 and I'll probably because it's a confined landing area on 1:49:37.280 --> 1:49:38.880 the truck, I'm not going to roll. I'll just you know, 1:49:38.960 --> 1:49:41.200 kind of like take the landing and absorb it and 1:49:41.200 --> 1:49:42.680 then I'll jump down to the ground, roll out and 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:46.120 keep running. It's like, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:47.479 That makes a lot of sense. You know, I'm feeling 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:50.840 again there's like the male answer brain that's like, yes, 1:49:51.200 --> 1:49:55.000 this is I feel like, you know, like ego is here. 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:57.280 Reality might be here, but ego is like, yeah, you 1:49:57.320 --> 1:49:58.800 got this, you got this and the more. And now 1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:00.479 he just explained it to me, so I can definitely 1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:02.080 do it. So we get you know, we get there. 1:50:02.120 --> 1:50:04.120 It's now it's like we had to wait because it's 1:50:04.120 --> 1:50:05.280 an overnight shot, so we had to wait till the 1:50:05.280 --> 1:50:09.920 guy completely dark outside for continuity, and as it gets dark, 1:50:10.680 --> 1:50:14.280 just starts to drizzle ever so slightly, and now the 1:50:14.400 --> 1:50:17.439 roof of the truck is covered with the tiniest little 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:18.120 beads of water. 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:22.639 And so so it wasn't even warning. 1:50:22.680 --> 1:50:24.200 I think it was the second ad comes over, It's like, 1:50:24.640 --> 1:50:27.400 do you get what's this? Somebody saying that you wanted 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:30.120 to do this stunt? You feel like if you've done 1:50:30.160 --> 1:50:32.600 parkoup before. I was like, you know, you better, you 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:35.200 better tell the stunt guy he needs to shave his heads. 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:39.120 Once I saw that water, I was like, yeah, I'm 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:39.559 not kidding. 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:41.599 Yeah, you're gonna like surf right off that Yeah. 1:50:42.080 --> 1:50:44.920 And he did it in one tape, oh man, in 1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:45.320 one take. 1:50:45.360 --> 1:50:47.479 And so the shot is he jumps out, he climbs 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:50.040 out the window, jumps down off of the porch, jumps 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:51.720 down off of the roof of the panel truck that 1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:53.479 they had coincidentally parked in the. 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:56.479 Driveway, and then he runs up the gangway to this 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:58.000 little garage. It's like eight feet tall. 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:00.360 So then I shot that part run down gang way 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:01.800 and like starting to climb up on the roof. Then 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:03.720 he gets up on that roof, jumps over into an 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:04.760 alley and tries to run away. 1:51:04.800 --> 1:51:06.240 And doesn't make it, and they they bag him in 1:51:06.280 --> 1:51:06.639 the alley. 1:51:07.280 --> 1:51:12.720 The the other Stunty, who was Kelly Giddish's double for 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:16.360 that scene, she has to climb the roof after him, 1:51:16.360 --> 1:51:18.559 follow him, follow him up across the roof, jump off 1:51:18.600 --> 1:51:22.280 down behind the roof so they shoot the scene. He 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:24.760 does the whole thing one take, she follows him one take. 1:51:24.800 --> 1:51:27.040 They do it and after the young cut she's like, 1:51:27.760 --> 1:51:28.840 I think I broke my ankle. 1:51:29.439 --> 1:51:31.240 Oh my god, jumped off the roof. 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:33.280 She broke her broke her ankle. She rolled out of 1:51:33.360 --> 1:51:35.519 frame so as not to interrupt the cut. She didn't 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:36.640 make a peep. 1:51:37.640 --> 1:51:40.559 And wait until it's a cut to like, yeah, madic, 1:51:40.600 --> 1:51:42.439 I think I broke my ankle. And I was like, yeah, 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:44.000 are some tough motherfuckers. I'm sorry. 1:51:44.080 --> 1:51:45.200 Yeah. 1:51:45.360 --> 1:51:48.519 I was just like I was so odd and I 1:51:48.560 --> 1:51:50.400 was like, yep, you are, y'all and made her from 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:54.040 some different stuff because like having that presence of mind, 1:51:54.080 --> 1:51:56.519 like I understand being tough and being able to do it. 1:51:56.760 --> 1:51:59.559 I get that, but also like she was still thinking 1:51:59.560 --> 1:52:02.160 about the sh shot as she came to the realization 1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:03.160 that her ankle broke. 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:07.200 God, I wonder if she's broken her ankle like ten times. 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:09.400 She's like whatever was I mean, she's just such a 1:52:09.400 --> 1:52:09.800 bad as that. 1:52:09.880 --> 1:52:12.200 She was like, you know, she's like, yeah, at this job, 1:52:12.400 --> 1:52:14.360 it's anybody's like, oh my god, I'm so sick. You're like, hey, 1:52:14.400 --> 1:52:15.519 this is a job. This is what it is. Thank 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:17.479 you so much. Did we get it? We got it awesome? 1:52:17.720 --> 1:52:19.040 You know, And that was it. And that was the 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:20.000 take and. 1:52:19.920 --> 1:52:21.960 If and I watched it. I watched it today because 1:52:22.000 --> 1:52:22.479 I was like. 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:25.240 Oh, I remember how this and you could you would 1:52:25.280 --> 1:52:27.439 never be able to tell, never gave it away. 1:52:28.000 --> 1:52:31.160 Do you have something you'd like to plug or anything 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:32.439 coming out with you? 1:52:32.439 --> 1:52:33.400 You know, I would love to. 1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:36.120 I'm actually working on an interactive media project right now, 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:39.360 and I'm not allowed to say anything about it. There's 1:52:39.360 --> 1:52:42.360 an NDA that is ironclad and bulletproof. I think I 1:52:42.439 --> 1:52:44.120 have literally said as much as I could say without 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:46.320 getting in trouble. I hope that saying that I'm working 1:52:46.360 --> 1:52:49.479 on a non unnamed project doesn't get me in trouble. 1:52:49.520 --> 1:52:51.680 But uh so, I'm very excited about that, having a 1:52:51.680 --> 1:52:53.479 lot of fun on it, but I'm not able to 1:52:53.479 --> 1:52:54.120 speak about it. 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:57.200 Okay, Well, we'll have our po like our listeners follow 1:52:57.280 --> 1:52:59.840 you on Instain. I'm sure you'll be announcing it on 1:52:59.880 --> 1:53:05.840 your social channels. Thank you so much for I. 1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:07.519 Really appreciate you. It's been a lot of fun. 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:15.679 Oh my god, little Tino, it must be so cool 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:17.760 to get to work and then they're like, put on 1:53:17.800 --> 1:53:20.800 this little vest, get a fedora on your head, Like 1:53:22.439 --> 1:53:25.760 that seems awesome. I know. The idea of just like. 1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:30.120 A really badass like sex trafficker essentially wearing a tiny 1:53:30.120 --> 1:53:32.120 little vest is so funny to me. Sp you really 1:53:32.200 --> 1:53:32.639 kills it. 1:53:32.960 --> 1:53:34.840 Yeah, you really brought up a great point. Like the 1:53:34.920 --> 1:53:37.200 pimps are also known for fashion. It's weird. 1:53:38.560 --> 1:53:42.599 Yeah, they're like, is there ever just a pimp that's 1:53:42.640 --> 1:53:44.519 just wearing like a ratty track suit or like do 1:53:44.640 --> 1:53:46.519 they have to look maybe they have to look good 1:53:46.520 --> 1:53:50.559 to present a certain image of like how you yeah 1:53:50.600 --> 1:53:53.240 to each other. I can't believe he had to learn 1:53:53.479 --> 1:53:57.280 music to be in that episode of poker Face. I mean, 1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:00.559 I just think it's like you never know the talents 1:54:00.560 --> 1:54:02.120 of these people that you see on television and what 1:54:02.120 --> 1:54:03.559 they're doing. I think we all assume that they're just 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:06.080 like not playing instruments, like whatever. He's not only playing 1:54:06.120 --> 1:54:07.080 he's learning music. 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:10.439 Well also sometimes like you know, I'm auditioning all the time, 1:54:10.600 --> 1:54:13.760 but I I rely a lot on my teachers, like 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:17.680 I barely prepare and I'm just like trying to. And 1:54:17.720 --> 1:54:19.840 then I'm like, oh, there's people that are learning music 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:21.639 over a weekend. You have to. 1:54:21.760 --> 1:54:25.760 Step it up, like there are people really in it. 1:54:25.920 --> 1:54:28.320 Like when you hear people that are like, well, the 1:54:28.400 --> 1:54:30.799 character's Italian, So I just like learned a little Italian 1:54:30.800 --> 1:54:32.480 over the weekend and threw that into my audition and 1:54:32.480 --> 1:54:34.920 you're like what the fuck? Like, yeah, people, that's how. 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.120 I know I'm not a real actor because I'm like 1:54:37.720 --> 1:54:40.840 less prep for that I can do and get away 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:43.200 with it is what I do. And then you hear 1:54:43.240 --> 1:54:46.120 about these people that are practicing for these auditions for 1:54:46.200 --> 1:54:46.800 so long. 1:54:47.440 --> 1:54:50.160 Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.440 Wait did we already talk about hacks in the finale 1:54:52.640 --> 1:54:53.320 and all of that? 1:54:53.400 --> 1:54:55.120 Oh, and I watched it last night and I would 1:54:55.120 --> 1:54:56.880 love to talk about it and you cry or no, 1:54:57.920 --> 1:55:00.680 I didn't cry, but I went I went fuck. And 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:03.520 I texted Hannah and said that finale fuck, like wow, 1:55:03.800 --> 1:55:04.600 Like I. 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:06.920 Sent her way to Ernest of a text message that 1:55:06.960 --> 1:55:08.920 she did not respond to and I'm humiliated. 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:11.320 Well, I sent her text and then I saw her 1:55:11.360 --> 1:55:14.160 stories and saw that she's literally at a party celebrating 1:55:14.200 --> 1:55:15.840 her special and was like, sorry, I think you're at 1:55:15.840 --> 1:55:16.720 a party for your special. 1:55:16.800 --> 1:55:18.440 Congrats on that, like and then I. 1:55:18.520 --> 1:55:20.960 Just backed out of the text chain, like Homer Simpson 1:55:20.960 --> 1:55:23.920 into the bush. He just have such a dynamic. It 1:55:24.000 --> 1:55:28.480 is beautiful to watch. The chemistry is amazing. It's so good. 1:55:28.600 --> 1:55:30.560 I was talking to someone because I keep bringing up 1:55:30.600 --> 1:55:33.520 hap Hacks and they they won't watch it because they 1:55:33.560 --> 1:55:35.720 auditioned for that part and didn't get it. And I 1:55:35.760 --> 1:55:38.480 was like, yeah, it wasn't yours to get get over it, 1:55:38.720 --> 1:55:40.080 like she's perfect. 1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:43.160 Yeah, it's like everybody I know in the world auditioned 1:55:43.160 --> 1:55:45.640 for like the Jamie Lee part in Crashing. It's like 1:55:45.680 --> 1:55:48.040 you just can't, like, come on, we all went for that. 1:55:48.280 --> 1:55:50.600 Uh but what was I going to say? 1:55:50.640 --> 1:55:53.880 Well, you know, I got offered one audition for that show, 1:55:53.960 --> 1:55:56.160 and I wrote to the team, I go, I talk 1:55:56.200 --> 1:55:58.600 way too much about him and I would be a hypocrite, 1:55:58.680 --> 1:56:01.440 So I'm gonna have to turn this audition down. 1:56:01.440 --> 1:56:04.040 Thank you so much, but thank you very much. 1:56:04.080 --> 1:56:06.920 But thank you. Oh I mean some sort of integrity, 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:09.360 but yeah, I was like, yeah. 1:56:09.520 --> 1:56:11.200 One of my friends was like, you'd be so great 1:56:11.240 --> 1:56:13.160 for this one role on the show, and I go, oh, really, 1:56:13.200 --> 1:56:14.760 And then when I saw it came out it was 1:56:14.920 --> 1:56:18.240 Marissa Janet Winnaker or whatever the like Broadway girl. I 1:56:18.240 --> 1:56:19.720 was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, think they gave it to 1:56:19.760 --> 1:56:22.840 someone else. But what was I going to say? 1:56:22.960 --> 1:56:25.400 Oh, speaking of Broadway, we got yelled at for not 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:28.000 bringing up Aaron Villette right to fight. 1:56:28.160 --> 1:56:30.320 Yeah is that at a live. 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:32.800 Show, because I don't think we've done an episode he's in. 1:56:32.840 --> 1:56:35.160 But I was just watching Svie because that's what we like. 1:56:35.800 --> 1:56:39.760 Yeah, And I was watching Personal Fouls and then I 1:56:39.800 --> 1:56:42.240 saw this guy and I went, this is one of 1:56:42.240 --> 1:56:43.920 the hottest people I've ever seen in my life. And 1:56:43.960 --> 1:56:46.360 then I googled it and it's Eron Viette. And now 1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:48.400 I understand why everyone was mad that we didn't talk 1:56:48.440 --> 1:56:51.120 about him, because he is the hottest person ever. 1:56:51.560 --> 1:56:53.960 And what's hilarious is like, when we do our live show, 1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:55.720 don't I say that I can't memorize his face. 1:56:56.600 --> 1:56:58.480 Oh, I think, I'm like, this is. 1:56:58.440 --> 1:57:00.840 This guy that everybody's obsessed with. I can't memorize his face, 1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:03.200 like I just can't remember him, like he won't stick 1:57:03.240 --> 1:57:03.760 in my brain. 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:06.360 No, I got giddy and I followed him immediately. I 1:57:06.400 --> 1:57:08.480 was like, I guess I'm going to a Broadway show. 1:57:08.600 --> 1:57:11.760 I like, obviously he has a beautiful wife. But yeah, yeah, 1:57:11.960 --> 1:57:17.280 I the listeners were right, yeah, hi. Wait And another 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:18.240 thing that listeners. 1:57:18.400 --> 1:57:20.080 Another thing listeners just pointed out to us that I 1:57:20.120 --> 1:57:22.000 would like to do a clarification on when we did 1:57:22.560 --> 1:57:25.560 last week or two weeks AGO's episode Possessed and we talked. 1:57:25.320 --> 1:57:26.800 About buzz from home alone. 1:57:27.240 --> 1:57:29.760 We do not google every single person that is in 1:57:29.800 --> 1:57:31.760 an episode of s View that we're covering. I look 1:57:31.800 --> 1:57:33.880 up their IMDb sometimes I see if they're still working. 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:36.040 I did not google him, and I did not realize 1:57:36.080 --> 1:57:40.680 that he is like under there's an investigation into domestic 1:57:40.720 --> 1:57:43.000 abuse for him or something like that. And I just 1:57:43.040 --> 1:57:45.600 I apologize, like, we just cannot. I cannot. I do 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:47.160 not have the time to do that kind of vetting 1:57:47.200 --> 1:57:49.480 of every person we mentioned. So when I said, oh, honey, 1:57:49.600 --> 1:57:51.480 we were like, oh, he's working, he's booked and blessed. 1:57:52.040 --> 1:57:56.280 I did not mean to avoid criminal goings on in 1:57:56.400 --> 1:57:59.160 h I didn't know, yeah, I would obviously be like 1:57:59.280 --> 1:58:01.000 buzz your behave your woof you. 1:58:00.880 --> 1:58:03.240 Know, like I guess from now on, any man we 1:58:03.280 --> 1:58:05.040 talk about we have to see if they're a criminal 1:58:05.120 --> 1:58:07.760 or not, like do you beat your wife? I mean, 1:58:07.800 --> 1:58:09.280 who we have, We're gonna. 1:58:09.040 --> 1:58:11.880 Have to hire a special Google assistant to google every 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:13.680 man that we ever talk about on the show and 1:58:13.680 --> 1:58:15.720 go let us know if there's ever been an allegation 1:58:15.920 --> 1:58:19.200 or currently because it's simply man or bear, guys man 1:58:19.280 --> 1:58:27.600 or Bear, Oh my god, the manor Bear. So let 1:58:27.680 --> 1:58:29.480 should we get into I mean, this was a this 1:58:29.600 --> 1:58:31.800 was a wild episode. We are like just to get 1:58:31.840 --> 1:58:33.720 finished up our post mortem here. We are going to 1:58:33.800 --> 1:58:39.400 cover more of the whole like Johnny d Little Tino 1:58:39.800 --> 1:58:42.560 situation in the future, so stay tuned for that. But 1:58:42.840 --> 1:58:46.440 obviously seeing a burnt Ellie Porter not our favorite thing. 1:58:46.760 --> 1:58:50.400 Uh constantly a haunting memory. But I do love Baby Noah. 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:53.520 It's just the gruesomeness and that's why this show. It's like, 1:58:55.640 --> 1:58:58.440 we know that the world is depraved and bad and 1:58:58.480 --> 1:59:01.560 people are living just such different lives, but when you 1:59:01.600 --> 1:59:03.920 see that and even like the green light on her, 1:59:04.240 --> 1:59:10.160 it's just yeah, it's sad. It's just fucked up, Like 1:59:10.440 --> 1:59:14.880 just to live a life of such pain really upsetting. Yeah, 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:17.120 and in the true crime as well, I mean, like 1:59:17.400 --> 1:59:19.720 this girl thought that these people were her family and 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:22.000 her friends and they were, but like their code of 1:59:22.040 --> 1:59:25.000 ethics like demanded that she be brutally murdered. Like it's 1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:27.880 it's fucked up. Okay, let's get into what would Sister 1:59:27.920 --> 1:59:30.200 Peg Do, which is our weekly segment where we direct 1:59:30.200 --> 1:59:35.320 you guys towards a article, an organization, a podcast episode, 1:59:35.320 --> 1:59:36.960 something to give you more info about what we talked 1:59:36.960 --> 1:59:38.920 about today and this week, I really just wanted to 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:40.920 point out the book that we talked about in the episode. 1:59:40.960 --> 1:59:43.040 It's called Our Subway Baby. I think it's like a 1:59:43.120 --> 1:59:47.040 super sweet little story about their true story. But also 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:51.200 for anyone that you know, has an unconventional family or 1:59:51.480 --> 1:59:53.960 you know, find like finds their way into parenthood in 1:59:54.000 --> 1:59:56.360 a way that's not like the way the regular way 1:59:56.360 --> 1:59:58.240 that we think of. I think this could be a 1:59:58.280 --> 2:00:01.360 sweet book to like read to your kids or you know, 2:00:01.440 --> 2:00:05.320 and just like the power of acceptance. And it's written 2:00:05.320 --> 2:00:08.000 by Peter Mercurio, the husband of the man who found 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:11.080 the baby in the subway, and it's illustrated by Leo Espinoza. 2:00:11.440 --> 2:00:14.440 People love this book, so we're gonna put that as 2:00:14.520 --> 2:00:17.480 usual in our what would Sister Peg Do. It'll be 2:00:17.520 --> 2:00:19.160 in our stories the day this episode comes out, and 2:00:19.160 --> 2:00:21.760 then our what would Sister Peg Do? Highlight that's on 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:24.120 our Instagram page, which is that s Messed Up pod. 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:25.920 Go follow us over there if you have a moment. 2:00:26.120 --> 2:00:28.840 Thank you so much for that. Yeah, that was a 2:00:28.840 --> 2:00:29.880 heartwarming story. You know. 2:00:29.960 --> 2:00:33.320 I'm like, we're so focused on the burning and the gang, 2:00:33.760 --> 2:00:35.480 but that one was that was really it. 2:00:35.640 --> 2:00:36.919 Was a little bit of likeness. 2:00:37.040 --> 2:00:41.680 Yeah, and next week we will be doing Infiltraded season eight, 2:00:41.960 --> 2:00:45.000 episode six, so watch that be with us. 2:00:45.160 --> 2:00:48.480 We're obsessed with all of you and say hi when 2:00:48.480 --> 2:00:48.880 we see you. 2:00:49.640 --> 2:00:52.560 Yeah, love you guys. See you next week. 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