1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Previously on Winnian House. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: And that other piece that was really shocking to me 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: was around children experienced almost us in the UK. There's 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: just sort of a very different approach to it. I 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: knew that if somebody came to the day center that 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: I worked at, and if they had a child under 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: eighteen with them, I immediately needed to call city Hall 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: as it would be here and I needed to let. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Them know that this is the case. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: The onus was on them to provide albeit a temporary roof, 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: but to provide that for that family. So it was 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: really shocking to me to come to America to realize 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: that children could be, you know, sleeping outside, children could 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: be sleeping in cars, as that just wasn't something that 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: you really ran across in the UK. 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Whitian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: This week, we're speaking with John Lee Hooker Junior, who 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: talks about the ups and downs of houselessness and other 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: challenges he's faced. But first gun House News. Our first 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: story begins in Chatsworth, California. City Council members voted to 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: extend forty one eighteen to Chatsworth intersections and bridges. The 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: council vote was eleven to two. The two opposing voters 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: were Nitya Rabin and Hugo Soto Martinez. Council member John Lee, 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: a notorious antagonist against the un housed, brought forth the resolution. 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: He claims forty one eighteen is effective for rooting out 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: people with substance usage. From twenty twenty one through twenty 27 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: twenty four, there were about four three hundred and sixty 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: arrest under forty one eighteen. Council member Tracy Park had 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: seven hundred forty one eighteen arrests, followed by Unices Hernandez 30 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: with five hundred and fifteen forty one eighteen arrests. A 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: secret internal member has proven forty one eighteen is not 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: effective and keeping encamp is clear and getting unhoused people housed. 33 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: Our second story takes us to Tennessee. Three years have 34 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: passed since it's been a felony to be unhoused and 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: camp on public land in that state. 36 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Now lawmakers are adding more penalties. 37 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: Currently, the E class felony comes with a penalty of 38 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: six years in prison and a three thousand dollars five 39 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: for being unhoused. The new law also expedized clearing encampments 40 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: under highways or bridges. A cleaning must take place within 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: thirty days of a resident complaint. Of Tennessee's unhouse population, 42 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: which is about eight thousand people live in Nashville. A 43 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: group of these Nashvillians were recently given a sixty day 44 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: eviction notice to leave the area with no offer of 45 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: services or resources. Senator Brent Taylor, a Memphis Republican, is 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: responsible for crafting these bills. 47 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: And that's unhoused news. 48 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll be speaking with our guest, 49 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: John Lee Hooker Jernis. 50 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Weedian House. I'm THEO Henderson. 51 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: Before we get into the interview with John Lee Hooker Junior, 52 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: I wanted to spend time sharing some exciting news. First, 53 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: I want to thank the overwhelming acts of kindness and 54 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: support in voting for me to win the twenty twenty 55 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: five People's Voice Award Webbing. Not only have I won 56 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: the award, I won another webby given by the judges, 57 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: but the thank you using this award showed you're asks to. 58 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Share five words of thanks. 59 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: I can't even go around the world showering five seconds, 60 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: so is it impossible for me to do the same 61 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: and thanking people that have been part of the Whedian 62 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: House journey. When I started Whedian Howse, I was living 63 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: on the streets for over eight years. Little did I 64 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: know how the show would impact my life and the 65 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: lives of my listeners all over the world. I did 66 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: not have the sophisticated equipment that I'm fortunate to use 67 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: with iHeartMedia now. I was stuck with a broken phone, 68 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: duct tape production and a lot of a domino wheel 69 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: to get this off the ground. It is an interesting 70 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: challenge creating a show and keeping the topics current and 71 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: the stories real in the best of circumstances. If you 72 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: listen to in my earlier episodes, you'll hear ambulances going by, 73 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: broken pauses, traffic, background noise, and lost trains of thought 74 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: due to the surrounding activity while getting the realness and 75 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: authenticity of my unhoused neighbors and friends. 76 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Somehow, I prevailed. 77 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: And was doing audio and video of William House at 78 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: a frenetic pace to fuel a growing need in the 79 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: world of houselessness. I was fortunate along the way to 80 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: receive help from Mukta Mohan, who referred me to an 81 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: extraordinary producer by the name of Carla Green, followed by 82 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: the recommendation of another producer, Hailey Faker, followed by my 83 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: travel videographer Carlos Nieto the third. This went on until 84 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: my extended team expanded with executive producer Jamie Loftus once 85 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: again Hailey Faker, Joel Jerome, Adam wand Katie Fischer Lyra Smith. 86 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: And that's been not least Jack O'Brien. 87 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: If I had forgotten or admitted someone along the way, 88 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: please charge it to my head and not my heart. 89 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: One more thank. 90 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: You is to my listeners and the people who were 91 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: gracious enough to trust me with their stories, from one 92 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: time guests to returning guests, will helped me sustain Weedian House. 93 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: This show has brought up a wonderful question. Where does 94 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Weedy and Howes go from here? The future is still unwritten, 95 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: but let us meet in the light of understanding reaching 96 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: it and now our conversation with John Lee Hooker. To you, 97 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: I will say you favorite John Lee Hooker. I hope, 98 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: so I would just say you kn't denied. You know 99 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: He's got you all over here. So I willing to 100 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: ask you a question. So, how is Germany compared to 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: you as you like it. 102 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 4: I love it, man. No donuts in the middle in. 103 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: The streets, nobody blocking you, No gunshot, oh of course not. 104 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: Uh No, nobody on the corner drank of wine. 105 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: Nobody called and you big pippen and and mean mugging you. 106 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: And it's just quiet. I'm the only brother here, dang. 107 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Only only raising in the milk. Huh. 108 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: I like that, only raising in the milk, right. 109 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 5: But I'm being treated treated uh very well, very well, 110 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: preaching uh in the big churches around in Germany and 111 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 5: singing and uh visiting the prisons. Uh. And I don't 112 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 5: speak fluent German, but I speak a little and what 113 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, I write them on the script. And 114 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 5: my wife is German and she make sure everything is 115 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 5: all right. And that's what I do. 116 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: Man. 117 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 5: But I'm very happy here. We bought a home here 118 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 5: and the property, so yeah, I'm here until God call 119 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 5: me on. 120 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right, so right, So I'm 121 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: just going to give you just a general overview about 122 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: my show and explain who I am. My name is THEO, 123 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: and I created a show. I have been living on 124 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: the streets for over eight years. I've lived in cars, 125 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: I've lived on a fire escape, I ate out of 126 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: trash cans. I did it all. And what was eye 127 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: opening for me was because I had this negative viewpoint 128 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: of people living on the street that they were all 129 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: mentally ill and on substances until Carmen knocked on the door. 130 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: I am a college educated teacher and I had a 131 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: medical emergency and I had to be hospitalized for several months, 132 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: and I see you. I had to go through speech therapy, 133 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: I had to go through physical therapy. I had to 134 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: do all of it without a wife, without any children, 135 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: and without any immediate family. And as you probably know, 136 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: in America, teachers are not paid well at all, So 137 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: you know, we are definitely living on a very constricted 138 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: income paycheck to paycheck, and that paycheck started dwindled if 139 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: I'm not coming going in for my assignments to work 140 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: because I have to recuperate. And so it was that 141 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 3: it became like my classmates and my colleagues were kind 142 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: enough to let me stay at the place to try to, 143 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 3: you know, recover, because I lost my home and I 144 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: couldn't even even if I had the home, I couldn't 145 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: really stay because I had to have someone to take 146 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: care of me and look after me. I had to 147 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: stay on the medication regimen and make sure I go 148 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: to the appointments and all of that. And so eventually 149 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: I would bounce back from other places and doing couch commitments, 150 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: and then I got into some like maybe three star hotels. 151 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: Then it came down to two star hotels. Then it 152 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: came to fleabag hotels. And then I had started getting 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: real estate in the cardboard condominium duplexes out here, you know, 154 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: stay out on the show street, renting cardboards. So my 155 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 3: education opened my eyes to the realities because I wasn't 156 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: a misnomer. I wasn't an anomaly. There were a lot 157 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 3: of people I ran across that had had sustained jobs 158 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: and then situations happened to him. The gentleman that really 159 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: struck me was him and his wife were working and 160 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: living in this apartment building and his wife got brain cancer, 161 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: and he put all of his money and his life 162 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: savings and trying to keep her alive. Unfortunately she passed 163 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: away and she couldn't sustain the building, and then he 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: started sleeping outside the building he used to work at. So, 165 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: you know, these stories left an inevitable imprint on my mind, 166 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: and I wanted to have something that pushed back and 167 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: give people that make those snap judgments like I did, 168 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: a form or a platform for they can to talk 169 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: about their experiences and to say, you know, houselessness is 170 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: not a mono left Not everybody is. 171 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking if. 172 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: People are going substances, there's reasons behind that as well, 173 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: or having mental health issues or but there's also people 174 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: that are fleeing domestic abuse. There's also children that's in 175 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: foster care that ages out and living on the streets, 176 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: no follow their own they don't have no family, no 177 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: support system, So these things are not always talked about. 178 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: The first thing that people need jerkly reaction is is 179 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: like a personal failing. So when I created this, I 180 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: was literally living on the street creating this show, getting 181 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: interviews from people that my friends and other places until 182 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: I got partnered with iHeartRadio and now here I am 183 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: through the graces of the creator and God, and I'm 184 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: really really unfortunate, but I'm really trying to pay it 185 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: forward and getting people's stories and to talk about the 186 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: experiences of houselessness and to see what, if anything that 187 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: could be able to educate to liberate and motivate people 188 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: that are listening to the show, as well as to 189 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 3: inspire people to have more compassionate empathy. 190 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: For people on the streets. Yes, yes, so let's take 191 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: it from the top. 192 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about yourself, and I will 193 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: jump in every now and again to pepper you with 194 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: some questions. 195 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, myire well, I wouldn't even say my entire story, 196 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 5: but a synopsis of my life story is in my 197 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 5: book that we wrote released February fourth. 198 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: What's the name of the title for our audience to note, 199 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: what's the name of. 200 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: A good idea? The story. 201 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 5: The name of the book is called From the Shadow 202 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 5: of the Blues, My Story of Music, Addiction and Redemption. Okay, yes, 203 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 5: and it was written by me, of course, and I 204 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 5: had a co writer by the name of Professor Julia Simon, 205 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 5: who's an author of five books. Oh, okay, And again, 206 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 5: my story is in that book, and it's a hard, 207 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 5: gut rich outo biography of what my life was about 208 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: growing up under the shadow of one of the greatest 209 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 5: blues singers and guitar players of all time. Of course, 210 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 5: my dad, mister John Lee Hooker born in Detroit, Michigan, 211 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 5: three hundred miles from Chicago. 212 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: I will hope that a guessti. 213 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 4: And just grew up under his music, under his influence. 214 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 5: I'm from Motown, grew up nor I met Stevie Wonder 215 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 5: when we were both twelve years old, did some music 216 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 5: myself with my dad when I was about eight years 217 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 5: old on radio, sung on a few of his shows 218 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 5: as a little kid, and just loved how he made 219 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 5: the audiences and people smile and dance. And our house 220 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: was a house where people congregated at because there was 221 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 5: always music down in the basement, with the likes of 222 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: long haired people with fun the accents and television cameras, 223 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 5: and watching my dad take the bus along with mister 224 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 5: Poward and mister Rivers and mister Bates down the streets 225 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: down the street from us. He would carry his guitar 226 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 5: in a case, and they would carry their hard lunch 227 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: pails and with their hard hats to work. And you 228 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 5: say that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, 229 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 5: mine's fail. 230 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: But it rolled down the hill. 231 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 5: With drug addiction and violence and divorces in my family 232 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: and just a breakup. And of course, if anybody's listening, 233 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: know what I'm talking about. It takes a toll, a traumatic, 234 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: extreme traumatic toll on you spiritually, physically, and mentally. 235 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: And I used. 236 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 5: Drugs to put a band aid over my feelings. And 237 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: of course, if you put a band aid over a 238 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 5: bullet wound is going to bleed soon. So grew up 239 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: and went back into the music, and went back and 240 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 5: forth to prison, and one day I gave my life 241 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 5: to the Lord Jesus Christ and got out and became 242 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: a minister and then ordained as a elder and reverend 243 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 5: and fell off the wagon a few times. And scripture 244 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 5: says that a righteous man falls seven times, but he 245 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: rises back up again. I kept getting back up and 246 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: kept getting back up. It kept falling, kept getting back up. 247 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 5: Nominated twice for a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award, w C 248 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 5: Handy Award, and Bobby Blue Band Lifetime Achievement Award. Another 249 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 5: turnaround was I gave up the night life. The book 250 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 5: says from the Shadow of the Blues, and that shadow 251 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 5: for me was a lifestyle of immorality, violence and drugs 252 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 5: and alcohol and whatever you want to call it. And 253 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 5: I have to include a scripture because the scripture says 254 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 5: in Psalm ninety one and one. He that dwelleth in 255 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: a secret place, a bideth under the shadow of the Almighty, 256 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 5: And that is a shadow that I choose to be 257 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: under today. And I'm just glad that you would have 258 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 5: me on your show, THEO. 259 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: Thank you. 260 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: I'm honored to meet with you, and I'm very intrigued 261 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: about your story. If you don't mind it, I break 262 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: down a few elements about you. Mentioned that you had 263 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: a sense of being displaced on house, a houselessness. I 264 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: wanted to ask, if you don't mind under how did 265 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: it happen? You know, because you come from such a 266 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: premiere father, you know, and being displaced in being un housed, 267 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: how did that happen? 268 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: You know? What was the precipitating events to that. 269 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: Well, oftentimes there's this window that or the orbit, whatever 270 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 5: you want to call it, that people have a tendency 271 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: to put you in because you were the sun or 272 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 5: the daughter of a movie star or celebrity. But all 273 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 5: that glitters, I was saying, all that glitters wasn't gold. 274 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 5: And because you saw me laugh didn't mean that I 275 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: cried at night or cried on the inside. Because the 276 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: apple was shiny and delicious and attractive didn't mean that 277 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: it had a worm, didn't have a worm in it, 278 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 5: and minds had a worm in it. 279 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 4: My goal was not glitter. It looked good, but it 280 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: was really fake. 281 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 5: It was plastic, and everything about me was fake news. 282 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 5: I went through the violent era. I was shot twice 283 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 5: in two different states, and cut in my face. 284 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: I'll wear that all the time. 285 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 5: Stabbed, thrown out because overdose. I can't even remember the count. Yes, 286 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 5: and my family, and I don't blame them, just only 287 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 5: because I had turned into a beast. 288 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: I slept in cars. 289 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 5: I would have slept under the bridge, but I couldn't 290 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 5: sleep because of the cars that was going back and forth. Basically, 291 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 5: I was a dope fiend. I shot dope in my 292 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 5: arms and my legs and my hands and my neck. 293 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 5: I took from people. I was in and out of prisons. 294 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: I think I me and my wife founded yesterday or 295 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 5: a day before yesterday. I was in and out of 296 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: sixteen facilities of incarceration, even a prison over in Vancouver, 297 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: British Columbia called Oakalla Mainland Correctional Facility homeless sleeping in 298 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: just like you said, sleeping on cardboard every time a 299 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 5: certain time of night, we would go and collect our cardboards. 300 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: I did the same thing. 301 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 5: It was a horrible life as a direct result of 302 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: my drug addiction and my behavior. And I don't blame 303 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 5: people family, not my friends, not my ex wives, because 304 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 5: drug addiction is a demonic possession to me. People have 305 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 5: got their own opinion. I've tried everything. I was on methadone. 306 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 5: I've been to about twenty one drug rehabilitation centers. I 307 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 5: even went to when I was sixteen, I was sent 308 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 5: to drug rehabilitation center called Synanon, which turned out to 309 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 5: be a cult. I have been on methadone. I've been 310 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 5: in pite wards. I've done it. I've done it. But 311 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 5: I thank God today that I'm here telling you and 312 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 5: those who are listening that there is hope. You don't 313 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 5: have to just make that your standard modus operandi. You 314 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 5: don't have to drive that in stone. You can come 315 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: out of it. And I was resilient, tenacity. I didn't 316 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 5: give up, even though people say, you're never gonna be this, 317 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: You're never gonna be that, even your own family, You're 318 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 5: gonna always be down. Once a drug addict, always a 319 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 5: drug addict. Nobody cares and nobody this and nobody, and 320 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 5: then you're profiled. So it goes on and on. But 321 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 5: I thank God that one day I goes on my 322 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: way to prison. It's to Solidad prison. They arrested me 323 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 5: for a grand theft person. I was asked to go 324 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 5: to a chapel where there was lady who was speaking reluctantly. 325 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 5: I went with them, and the lady didn't give a 326 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 5: yell or hand behind her ear and dancing. 327 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 4: And condemning and judging. She just simply said, and if you're. 328 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: Tired of being tired of being tired, and you've tried everything. 329 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: I'm just here to offer you about a man named 330 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. And I accepted him as my personal savior. 331 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 4: And again I fel I feel I fell and just. 332 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 5: Seemed like everything that everybody said, you're going to always 333 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: be a homeless You're gonna always and nobody going to 334 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 5: do this and this and that and this and that, 335 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 5: and here I am to prove wrong that I'm here 336 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: and I'm alive, and I'm living in Germany with a 337 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: wonderful life, and just thank God that I'm here. 338 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a quick break. Welcome back. 339 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: This is Theil Henderson with Weedy and House. Here is 340 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: the rest of my conversation with John Lee Hooker Jr. 341 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: How long have you been in Germany and what made 342 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: you transition from living in the States to Germany's what's 343 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: going on there? 344 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: Well? 345 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 5: I moved to Germany because I met a lady about 346 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 5: twenty years ago and we were friends, really good friends, 347 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 5: and relationship. 348 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: Start building up. She would visit here. 349 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 5: I met her on tour because I toured the world, 350 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: were doing my music, and her and her family would 351 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 5: come to see us every year, because twice a year 352 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: week toured Europe and she would come every year. But 353 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 5: to make a long story short, she got divorced and 354 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 5: I got divorced, and eight nine years apart of not 355 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 5: hearing from each other. You know, just the social media 356 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: God has a way of using social media to bring 357 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: you back into contact. 358 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: And that's my story. 359 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 5: She'd come in it not really a comment, but just 360 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: a like on Facebook about my transition and thumbs up 361 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: and I recognized the German name and I said is 362 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 5: that She said, yeah, this is me, And long story short, 363 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 5: we visited back and forth and nothing intimate, getting to 364 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 5: know each other again from two different levels because I'm 365 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: clean and sober and. 366 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: Gave my life and I'm preaching here and there. I'm 367 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: an evangelist, traveling preacher, and long story short, we fell 368 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: in fell in love. There was always some kind of romana, 369 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: just say, a sprinkle. 370 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 5: Of admiration for one another, but not intimately but romantic. 371 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 5: There was a like there was an adelation that we 372 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 5: had for each other, you know, and you know what. 373 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 4: I'm talking about. And all of a sudden, then one 374 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 4: day the Lord says, go to Germany, and I'm going 375 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: to make sure that I give you all the things 376 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 4: that you had over here a home, your ministry, which 377 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 4: is special to me, and preaching the gospel is what 378 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 4: I love to do and I love to sing. 379 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: Well, that sounds like that's a very very motivating synopsis. 380 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask a couple more questions. Is that 381 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: also in your ministry? Obviously you definitely talk about your 382 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: past and how someone was to hear it and they 383 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: were in a similar situation that you are in what 384 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: words would you impart with him? 385 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 4: Don't ever give up? Don't ever give up. 386 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 5: I would say, stay away from prayer haters. 387 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 4: And if you've. 388 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 5: Tried everything and you've tried everything, and you've tried everything. 389 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 5: I can introduce you to the same person that I 390 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 5: was introduced to, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, 391 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: who has all power in his hand and he can 392 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: do anything. I'm a witness to it. 393 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: So how long have you been off of substances if 394 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: you don't mind me asking? 395 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: Oh about going on thirty years? 396 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Wow? 397 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I am not tempted. 398 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: That's impressive. 399 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 5: I don't go into bars anymore. I mean that's like again, 400 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 5: I'm going into a casino to have a coffee. 401 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: Like a bingo night, and then they have one bingoing to. 402 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 5: He's trapped someone that has this this born addiction, and 403 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 5: he decides that he's going to go and see a movie. 404 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: Exactly oil, you know, have a better chance like a 405 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 3: chicken going into the KFC, you know. 406 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: Just to sight seet. 407 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: I like that. 408 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, So that's that's impressive. Like I say, I'm 409 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: hearing your story and I have to say to my parents, 410 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: listen to your father. I just want to just disclosure 411 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: that not like I've not tried to you know, to 412 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: throw that. But I knew of Giant Lee Hooker because 413 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: like again, father's side of The family was from Mississippi, 414 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: so you know, they come down, came down and lived 415 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: into Chicago during a great migration. And then as you 416 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 3: probably gathered, I I was born in Chicago, but I 417 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: would say what I'd noticed about people from that come 418 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: from the South, there was a whole persona with the music, 419 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: the food, the conversation and and and and just the 420 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to say lingal, but it's it's just 421 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 3: the lingual that they have. I mean, your father's generation 422 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: had just something that was very distinct you know. You 423 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: know they're sitting there listening to the music and and 424 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: and sitting out there with what they they used to say, 425 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: swapping lies and you know, telling stories and things like that. 426 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: So it was like, you know that I didn't know 427 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 3: that was very distincting. You know, being a city boy, 428 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't have that kind of thing. But 429 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: I do know they really were invested involved into like, 430 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 3: you know, the blues and like I said, John Lee, 431 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: look over, I remember and this is going to trip 432 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: you out. I don't know if you remember the movies 433 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: Blues Brothers the original and where John John Lee Hooker 434 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: was on there with the you know, the boom Boom boom, 435 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: and and they street Maxwell. 436 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well it used. 437 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: To be where they got the polar sausages at the 438 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 3: hot Oh yeah, that was the that was the joint. 439 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: But I came. I was going there for that. 440 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: And they also had go kart rides too, because like 441 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: when I was growing up, you would go get to 442 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: your Maxwell Polish, but then you go down to it. 443 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: They had the bumper cards and those things. But you know, 444 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 3: they they built it up, but before that, before I 445 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: was born, they you know, they had to actual street 446 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: had other stuff going on. But so I was like, 447 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: that was one of the memorable things that putting a 448 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: face to who John Lee Hooker was. I didn't know 449 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: who he was. Of course I knew the music because 450 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: you hear it all the time. But I think that 451 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: was that was their social media and that if I 452 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: could put it that way, that was their connection and was, oh, 453 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 3: that's who the guy is, you know, and I think, 454 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: you know, like and then two, I would hear the 455 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: song intermittently during my life and things like that, and 456 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: I always remember that song and I happened if it 457 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: was any John Leaf Hooker song that was my favorite 458 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 3: was that one. 459 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: But because I. 460 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: You know, I could, I can, you know, the rhythm 461 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: and you know, the the spoken word that they had 462 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: to it was really cool. So I just wanted to 463 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: point that that was one of my earlier members. 464 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: I remember that, and I do. 465 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: Remember how that was such a very chokehold for that 466 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: generation of people. Blues was really especially in Chicago. I 467 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: don't have to tell you this, but you can probably 468 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: gathered all the blue spots and and you know, to 469 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: get togethers and you know, you know those kinds of things. 470 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I traveled with him to Chicago and we 471 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 5: stayed at I don't know, you probably will remember the 472 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 5: Roberts Hotel. 473 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, oh yeah, oh yeah. 474 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: And Robert owned a lot of property around. Uh that's 475 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 5: where I met Big Mama Thornton. And yeah, Jimmy Reid 476 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 5: was from Chicago, and I used to play in Chicago 477 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 5: many many times at the Kingston Mines. 478 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 479 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, So, like I said, you know, and and 480 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,719 Speaker 3: I know these places. You know, I was young, but 481 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: I do know because of the older generation that was 482 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: there going and talking about they had to get together 483 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: or they would do the big elaborate dress up moments 484 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: to go out and step out and while keeping us 485 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: at home, or had someone watches while they you know, 486 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: had a good time. 487 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Left us. 488 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: Yes, so I definitely remember those things, and I was like, okay, 489 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: and you know, and then they were casually dropping the 490 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: names and you know, and when they come back, they 491 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: would you know, hearing the songs and they will put 492 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: on the records at late night and you know, get 493 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: the Coca cola and R or RC and what was 494 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: it rum or something you know and needless to say, 495 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: and then it was interesting reminiscing and you know, songs 496 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: and things like that. So I definitely had the understanding 497 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: what was going on in that respect. But now as 498 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: I'm older, I realized, like, man, these were like really 499 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: blues grates that these people went literally to see. 500 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, if I could go back, I 501 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: wish I. 502 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: Could have went to sing a lot more of them, 503 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: but instead of like you know, hearing it off on. 504 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: The tail end. 505 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: How do you keep your legacy and your if you can, 506 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: if you are able to keep your dad's legacy alive, 507 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: how is that possible? 508 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Is it possible? Or what do you do? 509 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: Well? 510 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 5: I mean, I am not out there or out here 511 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 5: or anywhere. I don't sing rock me baby and whiskey 512 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 5: and women. 513 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: And she was nineteen years old and she looked like 514 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: a baby child. And let the good time, bro, I 515 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 4: don't do that anymore, Okay. 516 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 5: Carrying on a legacy about that, then you might say, 517 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 5: I'm not carrying. 518 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: On that particular type of legacy. 519 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 5: But my name, his name is my name, and I'm 520 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 5: carrying on that name in a very good and positive way, 521 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: spiritual as well. They will never hear about John Lee 522 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: Hooker Junior being on the streets again. They will never 523 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 5: hear about me drinking whiskey and shooting. 524 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: Dope and snorting dope or smoking dope. 525 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 5: So in those terms, I'm carrying on a legacy in 526 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 5: a very positive way. But as far as under that 527 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: shadow of rock and less soccer and you only live once. 528 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 4: And when you did, you're gone. I'm not doing that. 529 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 5: I'm carrying on the legacy of my Lord and Savior 530 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 5: Jesus Christ. 531 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: You said you're going to say, is take you to 532 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 3: the king instead of you know, you know, let's let 533 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: me let's make a. 534 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Thing like that and use that. 535 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 5: But my dad, my dad, before he died, he saw 536 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 5: what I was doing, and he was so happy. 537 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: He was so happy. All he says are before I die, 538 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 4: I just want to see you clean and sober. 539 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 5: And he saw me giving my life to the Lord 540 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, and he boasted about it. My son is 541 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 5: is a preacher. Now, so uh, that is the legacy 542 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 5: that I carry on, the legacy. 543 00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: Of the Lord Jesus Christ. 544 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 3: That's wonderful and that's awesome that your dad was able 545 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: to be blessed to see that. 546 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, so happy, so happy. 547 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: Where can people find your book? 548 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 5: On Amazon, on Barns and Nobles, but specifically from Amazon. 549 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 5: You can also purchase it in Europe. It's being sold 550 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 5: in five countries. If you can't remember, you can go 551 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 5: to my website Johnny Hooker junior dot com. 552 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: Click on store. You'll see the book. 553 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 5: Click on the image and it's got five different distributors 554 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 5: that you can click on and yeah, uh huh. And 555 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 5: if you have any questions or want to talk about 556 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 5: what you might be going through, go to my website 557 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 5: click on ministry and right there in that little box, 558 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 5: let's talk. 559 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,239 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, are you going to be doing 560 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: any kind of book tours or it's gonna be just. 561 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 5: No, not yet, I think it's been out or just 562 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 5: a month, a little over a month. So we're on 563 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 5: Serious XM for two days this week, which has one 564 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty million listeners and followers. So we we'll 565 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 5: hopeful that something could come out of it, and we're 566 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: just waiting on God. 567 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 4: And I'm thankful to be on yours and I s 568 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 4: all over our house. 569 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: I'll say that that's such a kind thing to say, 570 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 3: and like I said, I'm very honored for you to 571 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: eat on. Like I said, when you know, I've had 572 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 3: other guests Lisa put on and I said, John Lee 573 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: Hookers Julia like who is this brother, I'm like, well, 574 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: I didn't know yet, all right, And I was like, 575 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 3: I can't beat John Lee Hooker's son. But then when 576 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: I started really saying, oh yeah yeah. But now like, yes, 577 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 3: I'm very glad that you were kind enough because I 578 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 3: know your schedule is busy and you're going to be 579 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: globe trotting in a positive direction. And not only that 580 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: that this book is also going to probably open other 581 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: doors for you opportunities. 582 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 5: For yes, yes, sir, that's what we're looking forward to, 583 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 5: and we we're certain that it happened. 584 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 4: It'll happen. 585 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: But as long as we continue to do platforms like yours, 586 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 5: it's just wonderful. This is wonderful. When I heard about that, 587 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 5: I was going to be on your because you were 588 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 5: homes as well. 589 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: Yes, well that's great to hear. 590 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 5: Happy to be here because you are an image of 591 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 5: resilience and tenacity and you didn't give up because look 592 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 5: at you now hallelujah. 593 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, you know, And I was very fortunate 594 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: to have people also that believed in me just as 595 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: like you did. You know, if it wouldn't I'm not 596 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: going to As you probably get it wasn't easy. So 597 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: but it definitely it's always not easy, you know that were. 598 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 4: But you don't give up. 599 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was very grateful for that. Two other 600 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: things before. Is it possible if you if you would 601 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: like to return, if I invite you back, would you 602 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: be willing to share come back? 603 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 4: Of course? 604 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 5: And you know, I'm glad you said that because I 605 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 5: have we have a new video, oh it's coming out 606 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 5: in May, and plus a new gospel songs out. 607 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 4: And I'll make sure that I'll send you everything. 608 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 3: Outstanding outstanding, mister Hooker, thank you very much. I won't 609 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: keep you too long. I want to thank you for 610 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: checking the time to show up and give us this interview. 611 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: Please tell us the name of your book again and 612 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: where to find it so our listeners can hear it, 613 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: and your website if you don't mind it. 614 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 5: The book is called From the Shadow of the Blues, 615 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 5: My Story of Music, Addiction and Redemption. And you can 616 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 5: purchase that book on one of the main distributors Amazon, 617 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 5: both in Europe and in the US. Visit my website www. 618 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 5: John Lee Hooker Junior dot com. 619 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 4: Just like that. 620 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Perfect. Thank you, mister Hooker. 621 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: I hopefully everyone enjoyed this treat This was the honor 622 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: you have mister Hooker Junior here. 623 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 4: Thank you THEO for having me. 624 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thank you so much to John. 625 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 3: You can follow his work and learn more at the 626 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: links in the description. And that's it for another episode 627 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 3: of Wiedian House. Thank you all for listening. May we 628 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 3: again meet in the light of understanding. 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