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Speaker 1: Move with the sticks, DJ, Bucky together again Buck. I

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Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna see the best version of that.

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Speaker 1: So we're both on the on the Broncos train. There

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Speaker 2: Then they're gonna be better than as Funny because we

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 2: The difference is this, Aaron Rodgers knows this system. Aaron

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be the way Aaron Rodgers wants it done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it's an interesting way kind of

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Speaker 1: So we've got the Broncos, We've got the Jets of

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Speaker 1: gonna be better, man, I don't see them being a

431
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: bottom ten offense again.

432
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: No, they're going to be better. And look with the

433
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 2: bottom steed offense, they still were a very competitive team.

434
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 2: So now you had better execution, you have a better

435
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 2: offensive line play where they can control the game offensely.

436
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 2: But this to me is a turn back the clock

437
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 2: version of the Steelers, meaning you know, when you in Baltimore,

438
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: it was never about to steal his offense. No, it

439
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: was always about their defense and the way they found

440
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: a way to kind of play. You guys played a

441
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 2: bunch of seventeen thirteen thirteen, teen, punch in the mouth games,

442
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that the Steelers going to live

443
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: like that. But offensively they'll be better. They'll get over

444
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: twenty points. But this is going to be a team

445
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: that they wear you down on both sides of the

446
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 2: ball with their physicality, their toughness, and then offensively it

447
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 2: just needs to be superb execution so they can win

448
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of close games.

449
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: All right, So we've got the same three thus far.

450
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 1: We've got Denver, we've got the Jets, We've got the Steelers.

451
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: Three offenses. We think you're going to be much much better.

452
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 1: One more here. We'll see if we stay on the

453
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 1: same page thus far. But for your last one, we'll

454
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: see if we end up being the same what you got.

455
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 2: Okay, So this has been the popular pick all off season.

456
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 2: You have people talking about Justin Fields as an MVP

457
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: candidate and all those things. I won't go so far

458
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: as to say that, but this offense will be improved.

459
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 2: I think the second year together between Luke Getzi and

460
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: the quarterback makes a world of difference. Not learning a

461
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: new offense, knows every thing very comfortable. The play call

462
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: is comfortable with the playmaker. The playmaker is comfortable with

463
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: the play caller. They've upgraded some of the personnel around him.

464
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: And there's this discussion and people talk about whether Justin

465
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: Fields is a passer or a thrower. I get all

466
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: of that. Can he throw on time? Can he anticipate?

467
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: I know this. When your quarterback rushes for over eleven

468
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 2: hundred yards, it forces the way you have to defend

469
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 2: him on defense. So whether or not he throws with touch,

470
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: timing and anticipation, he is now going to see more

471
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: man on man coverage because the only way to get

472
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: the plus want in the box is you got a

473
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: man up on the outside and drop the safety end.

474
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 2: That means now bigger receivers on the outside. If they

475
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: can win, he doesn't have to worry about throwing into windows.

476
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: He has to throw it to a spot where the

477
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: get open specialists, whether it's Chase Claypool or DJ Moore

478
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: or Mooney, those guys will be able to get open.

479
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: So I expect to see a better version to justin Fields.

480
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Even though he may never be the Polish pass it

481
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: as some people want him to be.

482
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: This offense last year was lasting yards and passing yards

483
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: per game. They were twenty ninth in sacks. Now to me,

484
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: just Dj Moore and Darnell Wright. If you do nothing else,

485
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: you solidify one piece of the offensive line. You add

486
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver in Dj Moore, That alone

487
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: is good. Not to mention Dante Foreman coming in there.

488
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: Some of the nice pieces they've made, some nice pickups

489
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: along the way. I just again, this is not asking

490
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears to vault into being a top five offense.

491
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: This is asking a team that averaged nineteen point two

492
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: points a game to get to twenty one points a game,

493
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: to get to twenty three points a game. Again, I

494
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: don't see how that doesn't happen. We're on the exact

495
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: same page, Buck, we had the exact same four teams.

496
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: You know I'm with you on that. I think those

497
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: are four obvious choices if you're looking at teams are

498
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: going to be better offensively, the Denver Broncos, the New

499
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: York Jets, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Chicago Bears. I don't see

500
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: how those four teams aren't massive simply improved next year.

501
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you and all for different reasons,

502
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: but all of those teams denver a lot due to coaching,

503
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: personal organization. The Jets due to the quarterback and what

504
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: they've done this still is due to just the natural

505
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: growth and maturity of the quarterback in the second year.

506
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: And then Justin Field is being comfortable and having a

507
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: better supporting cast around him. All those things lead me

508
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: and you to believe that those four teams are going

509
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: to be improved and gonna improved in a major way.

510
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: On offense.

511
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna jump over to defense. We'll see

512
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: if we stay on the same page here, if we

513
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: end up with the same four teams or not. The offense,

514
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: we are definitely on the same squad here in terms

515
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: of who we like to be much better next year.

516
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: All right, Well, take a quick break, we'll come back.

517
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: We'll knock out the defense. All right, buck, let's jump

518
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: into the defense here, here we go. Here are the

519
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: ten worst defenses in the league last year when it

520
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: comes to points allowed. The Chicago Bears twenty seven point

521
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: two points a game, Zona Cardinals twenty six point four,

522
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota and Indianapolis at twenty five point one points a

523
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: game allowed, as well as Detroit at twenty five point

524
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: one points a game allowed, Houston twenty four point seven,

525
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: Vegas twenty four point six. We've got Seattle and Miami

526
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: and Atlanta. They are twenty three six, twenty three five,

527
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: twenty two seven. So those are the last of the

528
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: bottom ten defenses. So of those teams, Buck, if we

529
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: had to pick out a few here that you think

530
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: are going to be much improved this year, who do

531
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: you like?

532
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: Miami? We'll start with Miami. And the reason why we

533
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: like Miami is because Vic Fangio comes over. So after

534
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: running a system that was very aggressive that started under

535
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Flores and then Josh Boy you continued it, Vic

536
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: Fangio comes in and I won't say he will simplify everything,

537
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: but the one thing that we know about Vic Fangio

538
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: and now go see the ball fly over at the

539
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: top of the defense. They will keep everything in front.

540
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: They're going to try and stop the run with light boxes.

541
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna uddy up the game with some of the

542
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 2: man match some of the zone match coverages that they do.

543
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: That matchup zone they kind of can confound and confuse quarterbacks,

544
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: and then it is can be a very solid team.

545
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 2: And we've seen it where every Vic Vangio goes, he

546
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: does a good job of fixing the defense. The Miami

547
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: Dolphins will be improved because the architect is going to

548
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: come in and make sure that these guys play with

549
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: the detail in the discipline that's necessary to play high

550
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: level football. Yeah.

551
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's they're one of mine. So far, we're

552
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: five for five and being on the same page here

553
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: with Miami. Jalen Ramsey coming in there, I think you'll

554
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: see a better year out of him. I think he'll

555
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: be highly motivated to show that he's still got it.

556
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: He's on a Hall of Fame track, but I think

557
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: playing with with Fangio, I think will help him stay

558
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: on that track. They got some young players that I love.

559
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: We'll get to know the safety Javon Holland probably later

560
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: what we do our safety draft.

561
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: I love his game.

562
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips I think is just gonna be He's on

563
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: his way to being a superstar. Christian Wilkins is a

564
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: really really outstanding player. So they've got pieces here on

565
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: this You didn't even talk about Bradley. I mean, they've

566
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: got the guys up front.

567
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have do so it was about, in my estimation,

568
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: it's about somebody organizing all of the talent and see,

569
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: this is how we're gonna play. I'm gonna put you

570
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: in a position where you guys can do what you

571
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: do really well. We're talented enough. We just got to

572
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: be on the same page. So we played the defense

573
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: the way they supposed to. We played on.

574
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: Paper, no doubt. All right, I'll give you another one here.

575
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: All kind of work from that. Again, Miami was the

576
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: ninth worst. I'm gonna climb up one spot ahead of them.

577
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Seattle, and I'm gonna say Seattle is

578
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those improved on your list there. Yeah,

579
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: so again we're in agreement here. The first one of

580
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: my favorite players Buck, I mean, he's one of my

581
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: favorite players in the draft, the corner. So you upgrade there,

582
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: you bring over Draymont Jones and free agency and more

583
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: than anything else, I just and you know this, the

584
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: teams you've been with that have this, Like, I just

585
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: feel like defense in the NFL a lot of it's

586
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: DNA culture based, and I feel like Seattle or the

587
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: majority of Pete's time there has You know, they've been really,

588
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: really good on that side of the ball. Now they

589
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: had to revamp it and tear it down and build

590
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: it back up. I just think it's who they are.

591
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't see them being as bad as they were

592
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: last year.

593
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: No, they won't be as bad. And I'll give you

594
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: a couple more reasons. You talked about the guys up front.

595
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: Draymond Jones comes over, Jared Reid comes back, which is

596
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: really important. They have young passers. Boy, ma face should

597
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: take a jump, giving them some extrassion. We've talked about

598
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: how they've kind of recreated the lob in the back end,

599
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: Tariq Willan. You have Kobe Bryant who plays in the slot.

600
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: You have Kwandrey Diggs who's played really well as safety.

601
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner comes in. And here's where Bobby Wagner can

602
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: help them the most, being the traffic cop DJ. So

603
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: much of playing good defense is making sure that the

604
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: communication is on point and everyone knows what the call

605
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: is and how to play it. And then I would

606
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: say the wild card is this. Jamal Adams has been

607
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: heard for like two of the last three years. The

608
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: move them basically two weeks side linebackers, so he'll be

609
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: in the box. And so if they get a version

610
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 2: of Jamal Adams that is allowed to rush the passer,

611
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: make plays around the box, take him out of the

612
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: coverage responsibility, well, that big nickel version of that defense

613
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: is a problem. And don't forget I think they brought

614
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: over Julian Love from the New York Giants. This is

615
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: a very experienced high IQ defense. And when you have

616
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: those guys a lot a lot of times, when you

617
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: have experience, high Q, great communication, you end up playing

618
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: a really good defense.

619
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me, anything you got Edjamal Adams is

620
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: cherry on top. I don't think you go into this

621
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: expecting anything there and coming off his injuries and we'll see,

622
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, what happens there and how he goes. But

623
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: Chennan to wils So we didn't talk about Darrell Taylor.

624
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got they've got guys now, So to me,

625
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: I look for them. Oh gosh, why am I blanking

626
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: on the linebacker from Texas Tech. That's a stud Jordan Brooks.

627
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: They got to keep Jordan Brooks healthy, get him back

628
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: out there on the field. Get him rolling because he's

629
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: a very talented player as well. So again I just

630
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: think too much talent, it's in their DNA. I think

631
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: that they'll end up being better. So we've identified Miami

632
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: and Seattle. Two more here, Buck, two more defenses.

633
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: You like to take the jump, Okay, so taking a jump,

634
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: let's go with Let's go with Detroit. And the reason

635
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: I want to go with Detroit.

636
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: They were three for three and we all picked. We

637
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: did not talk about this at all. We had the

638
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: same four offenses that we're buying so far, of the

639
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: four we're going to say we've got, we're three for

640
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: three on defense.

641
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: I got Detroit too. They did it with a lot

642
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: of young players last year, and Aaron Glynn did a

643
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: really good job at the middle of the year figuring out, like, hey,

644
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: you know what I need to simplify. I need to

645
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: make it easy. They became really man, a heavy man

646
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: to man team. He trusted those guys, he put him

647
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: in position and the young players responded well. Now they

648
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: add some some older players. Chelsea Gardner Johnson gives them

649
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: kind of that vet presence in the back end, and

650
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: even though he's there only on a one deal, We've

651
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: seen man when you went from New Orleans to Philadelphia.

652
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: He improved the Philadelphia Eagles defense. He'll do the same

653
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: thing in Detroit. I just feel like everyone in Detroit

654
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: understands what's on them. They can see the light at

655
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel in terms of winning the division.

656
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: Because of that, I think we have an opportunity to

657
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: see this defense play lights out and also know this

658
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: their offense is going to put up points, and so

659
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: from a defensive standpoint, it's about rushing the passer and

660
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: taking away the deep ball. If they do those things,

661
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: they can win a ton of games.

662
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love some of the additions. You

663
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: know with CJ. Gardner Johnson, he takes the ball away,

664
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: he brings over Cam Sutton. Okay, they got Those are

665
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: two solid additions there. Jack Campbell won a little bit

666
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: higher than maybe I thought he would have, but he's

667
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: a rock solid player. He's gonna help in the middle

668
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: of that defense. But more than anything else you talked about it,

669
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: they kind of figured out their personnel halfway through the year.

670
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: And to me, these guys all going in their second years,

671
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: they have so many good young second year defensive players.

672
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: That's not going to be their first trip to the

673
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: league anymore. I think all those guys take a leap,

674
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: and that's that's one of the reasons why I'm buying

675
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: on them. So we've got Miami, Seattle, Detroit. There's only

676
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: one more left. Are we gonna go eight for eight

677
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: here on this last one? What do you got?

678
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: So? So this is a tricky one because I had

679
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: the two names of mine, but this is strictly just

680
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: on the coordinator. I have no rhyme or reason to

681
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: say why. But I'm gonna go with Minnesota and Brian

682
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Floy's like.

683
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: They have finally we finally diverged.

684
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, my second pick was Indianapolis, So I don't know

685
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: if that's what's on your fay. Okay, So Brian Floyd

686
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: is coming over very aggressive style. I think people forgot

687
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: how he gave people problems with that aggressive cover zero

688
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: stuff that he was doing down in Miami. He is

689
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: always in attack mode and even though they've removed a

690
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: lot of older pieces to that that defensive puzzle. I

691
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: just have a tremendous amount of confidence in him and

692
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: the year that he spent with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I

693
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: think it's going to help him because he got a

694
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: chance to learn how to diversify his stuff, because remember

695
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: before he had been all under the New England treat.

696
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: That's all he knows. I think taking a little bit

697
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: from Mike Tomlin, taking some from Tarall Austin, and then

698
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: adding it to the stuff that he already does, it'll

699
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: give them an opportunity to be a little more dynamic

700
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: on defense.

701
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a very fair. This is the only

702
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: one we disagreed on in terms of the fourth team.

703
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: I had Houston and just a combination combination. Look, I

704
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: don't think will Ander's gonna set the legue on fire,

705
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: but he's going to be an upgrade over what they

706
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: played with. He's a really good player. They add to

707
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: the mix Stingley and Petrie and that secondary second year

708
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: guys who are very gifted. I think they take a

709
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: step and then kind of going along with the theme.

710
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I just think that with the staff that they brought

711
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: in there, led by Demico Ryans, I think that this

712
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: is a defense, it's just going to be better. So

713
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: they're going to be my fourth pick, but we're in

714
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: agreement on the first three. I can buy what you're

715
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: selling on Minnesota, and you talked about Indy, but I

716
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: went with Houston there.

717
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: So let me let me say this about the Texans

718
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: having to watch them twice last year because they played

719
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: the Jaguars, you can see a lot of things about

720
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Levey Smith and that deep and what he did. That

721
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: defense played hard year round. So I think Demiko Ryan

722
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: steps into a unit from a cultural standpoints. They understand

723
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: how to give the effort. The execution might not always

724
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: been there, but they have some young players that played hard.

725
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: You get Stingley back, you have Petrie who I think

726
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: was a nice fine for them, who played really really

727
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: well to go with Will Anderson and some of the

728
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: other foundational pieces that they have. Yeah, Jamiko Ryans puts

729
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: Matt the little sprinkles of magic dust on them. They

730
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: can play really good defense regardless of what the offense does. Yah.

731
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: I've been around Matt Burke previously to know him pretty well,

732
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. I think it was a really nice job.

733
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: So getting him in the mix there. I think again

734
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: you talked about a group that plays hard. There is

735
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: some young talent there. Now, they're not set at all

736
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: eleven positions. They still have some work to do. In

737
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: terms of roster construction. But I think they'll be better.

738
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, they'll be better. And indeed, you can't estimate

739
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: how effort can really make up a lot of your flaws.

740
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: And so with a young defense that if they're playing

741
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: hard and flying to the ball and doing all that

742
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: other stuff, they can make plays just on Sheer Hulse. Yep.

743
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: So again we give you five defenses then that we

744
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: think will be improved Miami, Seattle, Detroit, Houston, and Minnesota.

745
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: So those are the five that we came up with

746
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: there that we think are going to be much better

747
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. All right, let's get

748
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: to our safety draft here, Buck, I believe you are

749
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: up first.

750
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: This is our last.

751
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: If you've missed any of the previous episode, just go

752
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: back and go back and listen to them. As we've

753
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: gone through all these positions again, drafting players for this

754
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: upcoming season, not a lifetime achievement award, what we expect

755
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: to happen this year and the guys we love. You

756
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: have the first pick of the safeties.

757
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: Go. I think this is a continuation of the conversation

758
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: that we had on the last podcast. We were talking

759
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: about franchise building blocks and pillows. So I'm gonna take

760
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: your guy. I'm gonna take him right from up one

761
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: of your nose. I'm taking Derwin James, and he's gonna

762
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: be the first safety that I take the league. When

763
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: we talk about position list football kind of being the

764
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: new wave, the trend with Derwin James gives you a

765
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: little bit of anything deep, middle, in the box, out wide.

766
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: He can do all of those things. I saw the

767
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: little video that went bro when they had him, Joey

768
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Bosa and Khalil Mack working on this past first moves. Oh,

769
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: by the way, I guess the Charge are gonna start

770
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: using him a little more. I think last year he

771
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: had four sacks. Why not? He can do anything and everything. Man,

772
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: He's a decathlete in the back end.

773
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: That's why I want him. He's number one safety, the

774
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: unique yep. I don't disagree with you there. I love Derwin.

775
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Get a chance to watch every single game he's played

776
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: in the league. It's been it's been a treat to

777
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: watch him play. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna stay

778
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: in the AFC. I'm gonna make it. Fitzpatrick in Pittsburgh,

779
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: as as Bucky likes to say the what do you said,

780
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: the star on the top of the Christmas tree, on

781
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: top of the.

782
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: Christmas tree, hanging back to hanging back to the top

783
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 2: of the Christmas tree.

784
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the angel on top of it, anywhere you want

785
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: to go with it, and whatever you put on the

786
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: top of your Christmas tree. It's making Fitzpatrick. He can

787
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: play as that high safety, rome range, make plays in

788
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: the ball, picked off six balls last year. He's gonna

789
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: be my first pick.

790
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: I love it DJ And if they wanted to, they

791
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: could use him in the same way that Derwin James.

792
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Do anything you want us. He did it his rookie

793
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: season with the Miami Dolphins. They just play him in

794
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: the deep end. But this guy gets his hands on

795
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: the ball, a ton playmaker. He's outstanding. I understand those

796
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: two guys should be the class of the deal. So

797
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna go with a guy who I believe

798
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: is kind of underrated in the landscape. But when you

799
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: watch him on tape, he's always around it. Justin Simmons

800
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: from the Denver Broncos. I mean, he is always around

801
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: the ball. It makes a ton of plays. He's physical,

802
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: he's active. Last season, Man six interceptions. Just is a

803
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: very critical piece of the defensive bows and I think

804
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: we may see him play his role even expand with

805
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: Vance Joseph coming back to put his hands on that defense.

806
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: You know, Vance likes to bliss, So I think you'll

807
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: see Justin Simmons featured in a variety of different ways

808
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: to get more, more plays, more touches on the ball.

809
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a one. There's that was gonna be my pick,

810
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: by the way, he took him right out from under me.

811
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: A lot of different places I can go here with

812
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: this next one. Gosh, I'm gonna go Jesse Bates. I've

813
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: been a Jesse Bates guy for a very long time.

814
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: I think he can do a little bit of everything.

815
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: He's really really rangy. One of the knocks on him

816
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: coming out was just his you know, kind of inconsistency

817
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: as a tackler. Very willing, but had some flyby missus.

818
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: I think he's improved in that area. I'll go Jesse Bates.

819
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: The big free agent ticket item there for the Atlanta Falcons.

820
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: M good, it's good, good, good pick, good player. Here.

821
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: Here's where we get to because DJ and you know,

822
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: because you said in enough draft meetings I've always I

823
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: would always get frustrated when it came down to safeties

824
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: because I always felt like in draft meetings they were

825
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: kind of viewed as the throwaways. Oh, we'll take a

826
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 2: slow corner and we'll make him a safety. That's cool,

827
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: We'll just put him at safety. Oh he can't play outside,

828
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: but oh, we're gonna put him in the middle. And

829
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna go with guys

830
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: who have been underappreciated. How about we go with Quandre

831
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: Diggs in this spot. And look, I was tough because

832
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: it was between him and the guy that we mentioned

833
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: that just went to Detroit. But I'm gonna take Quandre

834
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Diggs here because Quandre Diggs has really become one of

835
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: the best safeties and on a defense in Siattle where

836
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: for the longest time he was always about Jamal Adams

837
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: and now he hasn't been available, and so Quandre Dix

838
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: has been able to really flourish and become the star

839
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: that no one really saw him emerging. Coming off an injury,

840
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: He's bounced back and been a terrific player for the

841
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks. So I'm gonna take Digs in the spot.

842
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, he's fun. Man, He's talking about somebody who

843
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: plays bigger than their size. There's a lot of different

844
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: veterans that I can go with here. I'm actually just

845
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: pulled up a couple numbers on a couple of these

846
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: guys because I almost feel terrible for passing over some

847
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of them. Gosh, again, I struggle because we're talking about

848
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: the future. I always tend to skew younger, and I

849
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: feel like, Gosh, I don't want to. I don't want

850
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: to cut short and not account for some of the

851
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: great players we have that have done a tremendous amount

852
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: of eight things in this league. But I'm gonna still

853
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: keep this moving forward. So I'm looking at young guys

854
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I still love that I think continuing to play at

855
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: a high level. I'm gonna go with Antoine Winfield with

856
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: my next pick, again, somebody who I love. I love

857
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: when he plays down Buck what everything he can do,

858
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: forced player, he can cover, he can blitz anything you

859
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I think he can do. So I'm

860
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: gonna go with a versatile young player in Antoine Winfield.

861
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: Look. I like him, and when the Buccaneers have played

862
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: good defense, he's been a big part of why they

863
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: played great, being able to control the middle of field,

864
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: being able to drop down, make big hits, extra player

865
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: in the passing game. So I dig that. So we're

866
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: not giving out lifetime Achievement awards, but I think I

867
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: would regret it if I didn't at least put this

868
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: guy on the list. And so I'm gonna take Kevin

869
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: Byerd from the Tennessee Titans and I'm gonna put him there,

870
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: regardless of whether he's with the Titans continue to go

871
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: forward or not. This is a really, really good player.

872
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about a guy who has done

873
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: it for a long time. He has been in the

874
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: league going to his eighth season, and you just look

875
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: at the numbers. He has twenty seven career interceptions. He

876
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: finds a way to always be around the ball. And

877
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: you talk about center field players, guys that can make

878
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: plays on the deep end, they're not as many that

879
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: is as talented and as effective as Kevin Baren.

880
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Yep, that's a good one. There's so many other good

881
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: ones to go with here. Veteran guys, tons of veteran guys.

882
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: But I know the veteran guys are gonna tick out me.

883
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: But I'm still gonna go young. I'm gonna make this

884
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: a young draft for me, a younger draft, I should say.

885
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to might surprise you this next. So I'm

886
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna go with wan Thornhill. I get a chance to

887
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: see him with the Kansas City Chiefs last year. Last year, Buck,

888
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: if you just look at some of the numbers on him,

889
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: five picks, eleven forced in completions, just really really good

890
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: in coverage. So I'm gonna go with one Thornhill.

891
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: So I like this, And this is when people get

892
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: mad because they'll have the draft posted, like one of

893
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: our social teams will kind of put it out there

894
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: and we'll see it and we'll get all the blowback.

895
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: And so I get it, Wan thorn Hill. And see

896
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: here's the thing wanted through were coming off to that injury,

897
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: being a playmaker. I get this. So, DJ, you talked

898
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: about this guy before, but this is when he really

899
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: can shine. Javon Holland from Miami.

900
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm big fan.

901
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: I mean Javon Holland, if you had an opportunity to

902
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: watch him the last couple of years playing in that

903
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: defense first and the floor, he's then in the barrier.

904
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: I mean This dude is always around it. He's very active.

905
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: He's active in the line of scrimma, and she can

906
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: play in space. He does so many good things, and look,

907
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: coming out of college, there's a lot of buzz on him,

908
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: but I don't know if many people thought that he

909
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: would be the player that he's become. He's a good player.

910
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: I think he becomes a great player under Big Fangio.

911
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would have been my next pick. Look,

912
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: there's so many veterans that are good players. Micah Hyde's

913
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: a really good player. Look at Poyer when he's out there,

914
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: what he means that Bill's defense. Both those guys are

915
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: worthy of being selected so far. You look at Buddha Baker,

916
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: who's been a force some way that's just a missile

917
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: coming downhill is a really good player. I love Jalen

918
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: Petris game. You look at some of the numbers. He

919
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: had six picks last year. Buck he had ten tackles

920
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: at or beyond the line of scrimmage. So somebody that

921
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: can play downhill can also his hands on the football.

922
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: Really really really good football player. But I'm going to

923
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: go with the guy who has far exceeded his draft position,

924
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: who is ultra productive. He's not gonna win on the

925
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: stop Watch. But all he does is stay around the football,

926
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: run or pass. I'm gonna go with TALANOA. Hufunga for

927
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers is my next pick. Just he

928
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: was an energy guy, high energy guy at SC. Did

929
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: not run fast, but plays fast, and it just feels

930
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: like anytime there's a big play to be made, he's

931
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: around it.

932
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big time player, man. And it's funny DJ,

933
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: because it's one of those draft lessons that you learned,

934
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Like the Watch has this thing a lot of times.

935
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: The challenge is being able to put guys in the

936
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: right spot in terms of round value. But Hafanka has

937
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: been around the ball. I mean he moved guys out.

938
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: I mean he had an opportunity to play and never

939
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: left the field. And so we always love guys who

940
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: can hit, run and cover. He can do those things,

941
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: and he's not necessarily the best in coverage, but he's

942
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: the best at playmaking. He is a playmaker who's always

943
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: around it, and you saw him do it at SC

944
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: and he's continued to do it when he got to

945
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: the league with the forty nine ers. Yeah, he's worthy

946
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: of being in that conversation for sure.

947
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a rover. I mean, just let him play rover.

948
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Let him just use his eyes and trust his instincts

949
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: and go find and make plays on the football. That's

950
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: what he does.

951
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: So there you go.

952
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: There's our safety draft. That that wraps up our little

953
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: draft series that we've done here. But always a fun exercise. Again,

954
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a balance between appreciating what guys have

955
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: done also trying to project in the future a little

956
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: bit of what we're going to see this year.

957
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, but we've done a lot of a

958
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: lot of angry comments, a lot of angry comments because.

959
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: We left Kis Williams another good one too. I mean

960
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of good veterans.

961
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Booda Bacon, a lot of veterans. Everyone.

962
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Everyone can't make it though. Everyone can't make that list. Yeah,

963
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: And again that's why you can have a list. If

964
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: you want to put a list together, put a list

965
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: in retardlest anything else you want to want to add.

966
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, Buck, I have not

967
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: I have not dropped a line in the water anymore.

968
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I still got about ten of those smallmouth bass out there.

969
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: That's okay, we'll get him. But in the summer, like

970
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: just just take slowly, slowly, sure to get a couple

971
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: of week. All you gotta do is get a couple

972
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: of week.

973
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: I've been I've been recruiting. I've been trying to find

974
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: uh guys with some phishing expertise. Just from an efficiency standpoint,

975
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of time. It doesn't take me

976
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: long to catch him, but then getting getting the hook

977
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: out is uh quite time consuming. I don't don't have

978
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: that technique down. I'm not trying to like cut myself

979
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: hook my finger. I'm out there with Florida. I'm out

980
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: there with Florida State gloves on my Florida State football

981
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: gloves that my buddy gave me when he used to

982
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: work there fishing. Try to bring them in. I'm not

983
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: trying to get that hook stick in my finger. You

984
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: know you need to call you gotta text Prime. You

985
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: gotta text Prime fish. Oh does he fish?

986
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: That's his thing? You gotta you gotta, you gotta, you

987
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: gotta scrow teammate. Oh yeah, that's Prime all day. Oh

988
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: cut your Prime like to go on the lake and

989
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: fish whatever you call him?

990
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: Tell till I gotta tell Dian man, if you got

991
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: anybody recruit down here in San Diego, pop on over

992
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: you get them, you can catch him quick, now get

993
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: them out to find Yeah, I'll take any any comments.

994
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: By the way, he wants to let me know on

995
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: social media how to efficiently get the hook out?

996
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: Uh? Can you can? And you also when you do that,

997
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: can you can you attach a little YouTube? How to yeah,

998
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: a little a little visual, a little YouTube, how to

999
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: get the hook out the thing? Because I certainly can't

1000
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 2: help you at all when.

1001
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: It comes No, No, it's a it's a technique that

1002
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I have you to master. I can promise you that.

1003
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do before it say, I hope

1004
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed it. We'll be back later this

1005
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: week with another episode. We'll see you then right here

1006
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: on Boots