WEBVTT - Comics With a Cause

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<v Speaker 1>This is On the Job, a podcast about finding your

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<v Speaker 1>life's work. On the job, is brought to you by

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<v Speaker 1>Express Employment Professionals. This season, we're bringing you stories of

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<v Speaker 1>folks following their passion to carve their own career path.

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<v Speaker 1>Lab work and science tech jobs are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>many unsung heroes of the pandemic. The problem with awesome

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<v Speaker 1>unsung jobs like this people don't know about them and

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<v Speaker 1>might be missing out on occupations they love working on.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we talk about those jobs as someone who loves

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<v Speaker 1>working in their field and is trying to make it

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit more accessible for everyone. This season

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, we're talking to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>who work behind the scenes in tech, people who honestly

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<v Speaker 1>shape the way that we all live by doing jobs

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<v Speaker 1>that most of us might not understand. Right. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>hi to me. Jay Gardner is one of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Gardner, I am thirty one years old. I am

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<v Speaker 1>currently a post doctoral researcher at the Fox Chase Cancer

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<v Speaker 1>Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Okay, so what does that mean? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the most basic level. I'm kind of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to study the biology of cancer and understand what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it tick. Jay does a lot of complicated, fascinating things,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're going to hear in the show. But what

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<v Speaker 1>she's exceptionally good at kind of her whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>explaining it. So to start, she specializes in pancreatic cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst because it usually gets caught so late.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's kind of unique about what I do and

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<v Speaker 1>what I study is that instead of studying the tumor

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<v Speaker 1>cells themselves, so the cells that are growing uncontrollably, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually studying the cells that are in its environment. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think of it like a plant, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>tumor cell itself can be the seed that's oil around

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<v Speaker 1>it that gives it the support, is what I'm studying.

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<v Speaker 1>So when our bodies are healthy, it's more like an

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<v Speaker 1>aerage soil that stops that can tank or a seed

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<v Speaker 1>from growing into a destructive plant, versus when you do

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<v Speaker 1>have cancer, it's super fertile and rich and has all

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<v Speaker 1>of the nutrients to give life and support to that seed.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm trying to figure out what's happening when

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<v Speaker 1>it's in that fertile state and how we can turn

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<v Speaker 1>it back into an ariage state. You have definitely described

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<v Speaker 1>that before, that was amazing. Thank you, just you just

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<v Speaker 1>made something so confusing makes sense. Talking with Jay, she

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<v Speaker 1>immediately feels like that science teacher you really wish you

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<v Speaker 1>had in high school. And I think what makes her

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<v Speaker 1>so good at teaching is how enamored she is with learning,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is her job. Yeah, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>great when I think about it, because how much I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go to school and just what I'm doing now,

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<v Speaker 1>I just found a way to in school for forever,

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<v Speaker 1>except now you get paid for it. Yes, now I

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<v Speaker 1>get paid for it. Her obsession with school started early.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a first generation kid raised in Chicago. Both

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<v Speaker 1>of her parents are from Belize in Central America. Her

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<v Speaker 1>brother is nine years older than her, and even as

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<v Speaker 1>a little kid, Jay got super jealous every time she

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<v Speaker 1>watched him leave for school. I didn't start school until

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<v Speaker 1>I was five, but then before that, I would like

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<v Speaker 1>every day put on my mini mouse backpack and pretend

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<v Speaker 1>like I wanted to go to school, and I go

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<v Speaker 1>by mom, I'm going to school now, and pantomime opening

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<v Speaker 1>and shutting the door, and like to go to this

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<v Speaker 1>school that I definitely didn't know where it was or

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<v Speaker 1>how to get to or even really have an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what school was like. It was just something that

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to do. She eventually did go to school,

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<v Speaker 1>and unsurprisingly, she loved it and was immediately drawn to science.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved the puzzle aspect of it because I really

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<v Speaker 1>like puzzles, even just like reading. I love mystery books

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure out who the culprit is or

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<v Speaker 1>who did it before I reached the end of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all very much on brand for me to

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<v Speaker 1>do science now. It was also at this young age

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<v Speaker 1>that her eventual studies and cancer got put into motion

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<v Speaker 1>after she lost an uncle to call in cancer and

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<v Speaker 1>watched another uncle and her father survived prostate cancer. So

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<v Speaker 1>I started to kind of not fully understand what cancer was,

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<v Speaker 1>but know that it was a bad thing, and start

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<v Speaker 1>to have these questions like I have an older brother

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad and his brother's got cancer, Like does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean that my brother could get cancer? And those

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<v Speaker 1>sort of questions started to keep pushing me to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who done it. Into high school, she was interested

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<v Speaker 1>in pretty much everything. She was even so into art

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<v Speaker 1>and anime and comics. She almost went to college for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but her early fascination in viruses landed her at McAllister College,

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<v Speaker 1>where she majored in biology and minored in chemistry. What

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<v Speaker 1>was it about viruses that was It was such a

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<v Speaker 1>pull for you. Just how something so tiny and microscopic

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<v Speaker 1>and can't survive on its own just find the way

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<v Speaker 1>to rewire things in the human body for their own purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that really grabbed her and blew

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<v Speaker 1>my mind is that cancer cells are not technically living things,

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<v Speaker 1>but are also not technically dead because they can't do

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<v Speaker 1>things on their own. They require a host, but they

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<v Speaker 1>do things that living things do, like reproduce and use

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<v Speaker 1>energy and things like that. Wait, wait, how how can

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<v Speaker 1>something be not alive or dead? It probably comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to what characteristics that define life are the most important

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<v Speaker 1>to you, maybe, like if you go completely philosophical, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so so also the way you talk about them, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're obviously fascinated by them. Yeah, do you ever find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself rooting for viruses? Not rooting, but almost in a

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<v Speaker 1>voyeuristic way, just like, what are you doing? It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>the job. So while she's objectively fascinated by cancer, she's

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<v Speaker 1>still trying to defeat it. In her way of figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out how to is to look at it differently, studying

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<v Speaker 1>the micro environment around pancreatic cancer. You know that seed

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<v Speaker 1>and soil analogy from earlier. The micro environment is super

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<v Speaker 1>super important. If you were to cut out a tumor

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<v Speaker 1>mass from a patient, the majority of it would be

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<v Speaker 1>that soil and hardly any of the plant. Jay's focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the environment of pancreatic cancer is still pretty new,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was deeply inspired by an advisor she had

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<v Speaker 1>going into a PhD, Dr Patty Keeley. She revolutionized how

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<v Speaker 1>doctors think of the micro environment of breast cancer. But

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<v Speaker 1>for her story, she had breast cancer at one point

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<v Speaker 1>in her life as well, and that I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>motivated her to studying that. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that are involved in cancer research probably have

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<v Speaker 1>a similar sort of stories too. They have a stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. Yeah. Well, Jay already had a stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the game watching cancer affect or family as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It got even more real when Dr Keeley, after surviving

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<v Speaker 1>breast cancer, was eventually taken by pancreatic cancer. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a badge of honor that I'm one of

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<v Speaker 1>the final pH d students that kind of she put

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<v Speaker 1>her seal of approval on to say, yep, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get a pH d like go forth and and do

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<v Speaker 1>something like with that passing the torch. Yeah yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>like I also get to do that and then research

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that ended up claiming her life too, as

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<v Speaker 1>in a field that she revolutionized. So sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>in an homage to her as well, this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>passing the torch and paying homage to scientists you might

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<v Speaker 1>not know about, that's the driving idea behind another part

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<v Speaker 1>of Jay's work that you probably wouldn't expect. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>could you explain what you're showing me. What I'm showing

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<v Speaker 1>first right now is one that I made just this

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<v Speaker 1>last month for UM Black History Month, and it's an

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<v Speaker 1>illustration that I made of Gerald Jerry Lawson. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>what she's showing me is a comic strip that she

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<v Speaker 1>did with a couple of friends. The comic strip is

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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful little cartoon of a big, jolly guy, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson holding a gaming console. You may not have known this,

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<v Speaker 1>but the person that that created our ability to change

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<v Speaker 1>games in your home gaming system. So the little cartridges

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<v Speaker 1>that you have that you can switch out and play

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<v Speaker 1>whatever game you want, as opposed to buying a device

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<v Speaker 1>and only having that one game that you can play

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<v Speaker 1>that's hardwired in. That's all thanks to Jerry Lawson. The

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<v Speaker 1>comic is five panels and reads kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>Superhero origin story. Jerry was a black man in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventies working as an engineer, and his free time, he

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<v Speaker 1>developed the first cartridge gaming system in his garage. It

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<v Speaker 1>was called the Channel F and it went on to

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<v Speaker 1>inspire Atari and every single gaming system that came after it.

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<v Speaker 1>But probably the most important panel is Jay's illustration of

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<v Speaker 1>young Jerry in a first grade classroom next to a

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<v Speaker 1>poster of George Washington Carver, so probably the most prominent

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<v Speaker 1>black man scientists that every child is taught about um

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<v Speaker 1>with a teacher saying this could be you write a

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<v Speaker 1>teacher that encouraged him to saying like, hey, like you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a scientist? Like yeah, like you go

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<v Speaker 1>be a scientist. This is the idea that these comics

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<v Speaker 1>kind of came from. Jay channeled her high school love

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<v Speaker 1>for art and teamed up with a couple of friends

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<v Speaker 1>to create jk X Comics, comic about science as a

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<v Speaker 1>way to make it more accessible to people, so changing

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<v Speaker 1>the language so that it's not overly complicated so that

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<v Speaker 1>people that aren't in science can understand it. The comics

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<v Speaker 1>do this not only by using relatable language, but by

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<v Speaker 1>featuring relatable living scientists that aren't just stereotypical images of

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<v Speaker 1>scientists that we might have in our heads, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Albert Einstein in a basement by himself yelling Eureka.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people that are actively doing this and that

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<v Speaker 1>don't all look like Albert Einstein, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't see on the zoom call because this is a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am not a white man with like crazy

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<v Speaker 1>looking hair. Right. There are people from all walks of

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<v Speaker 1>life that do this, People like the women at NASA

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<v Speaker 1>featured in the movie Hidden Figures, whose calculations got humans

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<v Speaker 1>to and from space. People like kids Mikia Corbett, the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five year old African American scientists, who's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>reason we can get a COVID vaccination more effectively quickly

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<v Speaker 1>than any time in history. Yeah, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>people in history that are like this. Yeah, So do

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<v Speaker 1>you believe there have been many a young scientist or

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<v Speaker 1>a cancer doctor out there who never really found that

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they were because the industry itself or the

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<v Speaker 1>profession just didn't make sense to them. Yeah. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know to ask about it, because how can

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<v Speaker 1>you ask about what you don't know? Now, six years

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<v Speaker 1>after its founding, jk X Comics launched a successful Kickstarter

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<v Speaker 1>campaign and will be a real thing in print. The

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<v Speaker 1>heroes in the comics are PhD students and scientists working

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<v Speaker 1>and breaking ground today, like the young scientists uncovering how

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<v Speaker 1>micro and a squirrels gut is how they survive hibernation.

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<v Speaker 1>Who thought that's where Jay is now uncovering the unknown

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<v Speaker 1>day in and day out, whether she's in the lab

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<v Speaker 1>or making comics, she's asking the same question she did

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<v Speaker 1>when she was a kid who done it, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly about everything she does. Her real pioneering is

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<v Speaker 1>how she makes all the insane things that she's learning

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<v Speaker 1>and doing easy to understand. Yeah, well, I mean like communication,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going into sciences or chemistry, is not a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of the education or the learning process, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying it it kind of needs to be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I basically want to turn everything on its head and

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<v Speaker 1>every way possible. For now, she's doing that by putting

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<v Speaker 1>the things that fascinate her in comic form and putting

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<v Speaker 1>it in front of young, curious people who probably also

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't wait to go to school. People that you know

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<v Speaker 1>may grow up and be like, I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a microbiologists and study microbes and squirrels, or because I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it in a comic, because I saw it in

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<v Speaker 1>a comic, like and there was a real person that

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<v Speaker 1>Employment Professionals. This season of On the Job is produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Audiation. The episodes were written and produced by me

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