WEBVTT - Accredo w/ Sebastian Roché

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 1>These are our stories, done done. Hello, Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klank.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Liza Traeger and we every week talk about

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<v Speaker 2>an episode of SVU and then the true crime it's

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<v Speaker 2>based on, and we interview a guest from the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So jam packed. But now we just chit chat because

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<v Speaker 1>we miss each.

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<v Speaker 3>Other and now it's time to banter.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been getting a couple of messages and comments about

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<v Speaker 1>our voices and people can't tell us apart, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is so funny because I really think we sound

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<v Speaker 1>so different.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound more proper, and I feel like I sound like

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<v Speaker 2>I smoked weed every day for a decade. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I think my voice is.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I always thought I had a raspy voice,

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<v Speaker 1>but yours is definitely raspy are but mine is too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought I was like the nanny, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's that extreme. I think it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe my own jew hatred or something of myself. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but when I hear myself, I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the Nanny.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that fran Dresser. That show holds up. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if anyone's watched it. Oh, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>another poll on our instagram of what are you into

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<v Speaker 1>the Nanny.

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<v Speaker 2>The Nanny and Married with Children? All though those shows

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<v Speaker 2>really test time.

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Hardstark just tweeted recently and was like, why were

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<v Speaker 1>our parents letting us watch Married with Children when we

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<v Speaker 1>were younger, like like that was a normal way to

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<v Speaker 1>look at a marriage or a family like and I

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<v Speaker 1>used to watch it religiously and my parents, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I did it behind their back because they thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was like really cross.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also meet lots of people who like their

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<v Speaker 2>parents didn't let them watch The Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to watch Threes Company. I wasn't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to watch you can't do that on television because my

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<v Speaker 1>mom thought that when you got slimed, that was gross.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's just like on.

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<v Speaker 1>A day where they're like, turn the TV off, You're

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to watch the show anymore. Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're just like having a time sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was a professional backup nanny for years in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy got bragging.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I've baby said.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to say probably like a hundred plus families,

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<v Speaker 2>And my professional take is the families that had the

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<v Speaker 2>most extreme television rules their kids were the most crazed

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<v Speaker 2>and obsessed with TV, and the families that it was free,

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<v Speaker 2>reign whatever, no one cares.

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<v Speaker 1>They would buy themselves, choose not.

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<v Speaker 3>To watch to do something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like to them, TV was just an option, so

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't care as much. But that the kids that

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<v Speaker 2>only got a half hour, they were like I would, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of sometimes bad at my job, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I would pretend to nap but then kind of

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<v Speaker 2>really nap, and then I would hear them be like

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<v Speaker 2>should we wake her up?

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<v Speaker 3>Or should we?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they would continue to watch television instead of

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<v Speaker 1>telling me I've told you that.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to babysit for the actress Alison Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, but what do you mean Alison Williams. Alison Williams

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<v Speaker 1>who was like in Get Out and Stuff and like

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<v Speaker 1>like Brian Williams daughter. Yeah, so I used to babysit

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<v Speaker 1>for her a few times when I was younger. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not that much younger than me, but like it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where like I was twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>she was eight or something or seven.

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<v Speaker 3>They were the best kids, Like they were so good, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they were not allowed to watch anything on Nickelodeon,

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess, especially like yeah, just led the night

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<v Speaker 1>time stuff on Nickelodeon. They were not allowed to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>But I let them watch Ren and Stimpy one time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, don't telling me, don't tell your parents.

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<v Speaker 1>And they told their parents, of course, because there were

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<v Speaker 1>like these honest children, but children don't understand lying in

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<v Speaker 1>that way. They're always never trust a child, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I'll let you watch Ren and Stimpy

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't tell your parents, and then they were

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, and then and they were like, guess what

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<v Speaker 1>we watched Ren and Dimpy like and so I sort

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<v Speaker 1>of learned to never try to get kids to harbor

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<v Speaker 1>my secrets anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, but then, were you fired or did they just

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<v Speaker 3>say what?

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<v Speaker 1>We were like sort of family friends, Like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get fired. They were just like and remember, no Nickelodeon.

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<v Speaker 1>They mentioned that you let them watch ren and Simpy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh did I okay, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did she have a good voice? Did you know

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<v Speaker 2>that she was going to be an actress?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's so funny is her we used to

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<v Speaker 1>do Disney singalong songs like where you follow the Bouncing Mouse?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we used to do that all the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't know she was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an actress. No, I certainly didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved those videos. We did those in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister House was my music teacher. Oh shout out, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you're still kicking. But he had favorites and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like that. So if you're listening, mister House, you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have had favorites. It really fucked with our heads.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a big shout out. What yesterday on

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<v Speaker 2>my walk I saw a dog with a bow and

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to carry me through the week that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the same week, one of your friends told

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<v Speaker 1>you that you remind them of the pink aristocrat aristocrat cat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, aristocats cat. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Lily, my old roommate and friend, she out of the

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<v Speaker 2>blue text to me a photo that the cutest cat

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<v Speaker 2>in the world from aristocats, going, Oh, you just remind

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<v Speaker 2>me so much of her. I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obviously gonna get.

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<v Speaker 1>A tattoo of this king a dog with a bow.

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<v Speaker 3>What a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and also my favorite Instagram. Every outfit of Sex

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<v Speaker 2>and the City is a fan of sview and listens

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<v Speaker 2>to this podcast, and they followed me on Instagram, which

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<v Speaker 2>was a big deal for me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, if you're a Sex had a

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<v Speaker 1>Baby fan, you should follow them. They're very clever and fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And fashion experts, so you get like actual, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just like I like this outfit, like they know the designer,

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<v Speaker 2>the references. They would actually be really good judges on

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<v Speaker 2>Drag Race. If I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you loving Season thirteen of Drag Race?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm loving it. I love when no one goes home.

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<v Speaker 1>So these episodes have been great. Yeah, well they've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing that the past couple of years because I think

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<v Speaker 1>they want people to get to know the queens a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I love it. I love the future drama coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also obsessed with the pit Stop now and where

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<v Speaker 2>they recap the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just can't get enough. My life is just.

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<v Speaker 1>SVU and drag Race at this point, I really am not.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even watched Euphoria yet.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just fully sv drag Race. And yesterday Bob the

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<v Speaker 2>drag Queen just said the name Jada Essence Hall and

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<v Speaker 2>I burst into tears.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you cheat about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, please, everything okay over there?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just fully started crying at just the existence

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<v Speaker 2>of Jada.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just really emotional.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love her so much.

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<v Speaker 3>She's great. Are you liking the season?

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<v Speaker 1>Loving it? I think there's so many good queens and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really creative how they did the first couple episodes

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the meme where it says like it's

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<v Speaker 2>RuPaul she goes welcome to the Stanford Prison Experiment, which

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was a funny, mean because she did toy

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<v Speaker 2>with their emotions floating doc.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens next week.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone seems to have a favorite. Everyone loves Simone

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<v Speaker 2>and I love you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I love Simone, I love got Mic, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love Candy Muse a lot as well. Candy Muse

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to win, and you know it. I

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<v Speaker 1>I can only love the person that wins.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think she's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is like winners only get the hell out of.

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<v Speaker 2>We also do have another shout out to our producer Hannah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Hannah. Hannah had a moment this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Who scoured Capital storming photos for twelve hours to find

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of a QAnon person that she knows, not personally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know, she's not friends with this person,

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<v Speaker 2>to find a photo of her and report her to

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI. So that is some amazing event stigative.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporting helping put away one Capital storming crazy person at

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<v Speaker 1>a time. Thank you, well, yeah you.

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<v Speaker 2>And the photo of her was very fucked up and

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<v Speaker 2>she was holding a sign that said Kyle Rittenhouse did

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong. So I hope the FBI fucking knocks on

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<v Speaker 2>her door storms it. I actually love all the famous

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<v Speaker 2>people being outed because it's that's what they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>with the entitled like they didn't think anything was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a US Olympic swimmer wore his US Olympics sweat

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<v Speaker 2>like jacket. He wore an official Olympics jacket to storm

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<v Speaker 2>the Capitol, like only ten people have that jacket, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're gonna get found out. And then someone was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Sicky from New Jersey Housewives.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people like all Sniggy's gone full. Siggy's gone full

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<v Speaker 1>Q She's she's off the desk end. But people are

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<v Speaker 1>reporting her to the FBI because they're like, we know her.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people just truly were wearing things with their.

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<v Speaker 2>Name on it. I mean, it's it's real. It's a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had a Bingo card of arrests, but

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<v Speaker 2>that would be fun, all right, So let's just get

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<v Speaker 2>down to it. Today's episode is really fun. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing I mean fun and fucked up as usual.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be doing a credo, which is based

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<v Speaker 2>on the Nexium cult. And I just wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 2>that when we recorded this, I was in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of watching the Vow. Now I have obviously finished the Vow.

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<v Speaker 2>I have also finished Seduced on Stars. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that, I did get a one month free

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<v Speaker 2>trial of Stars just so I could watch this, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually paid for a month of Stars so I could

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<v Speaker 2>watch this, it was worth it. So the one on

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<v Speaker 2>Stars is so freaking good. If you thought the one

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<v Speaker 2>on HBO Dragged the Stars Once Seduced is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>They have India if you know you know, and a Credo.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Lisa and I were talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>because I was wondering what it meant and I googled it,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course it is a pharmaceutical company.

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<v Speaker 1>But the word comes from the verb to believe, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think it means to believe in something wholeheartedly and

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<v Speaker 1>like fully. So that's very interesting when you find out

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<v Speaker 1>what this episode is about. So let's get into the episode. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so exciting, a little switcheroo freaky Friday action.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing the episode, which is thrilling.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a later episode, season twenty, episode five, Acredo

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<v Speaker 2>Yes kind of Timely is based on you know, the vow,

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<v Speaker 2>which was really popular. So this episode opens up with

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<v Speaker 2>our Queen Bee, Olivia Benson, so busy, a lieutenant, a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's working.

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<v Speaker 3>Out trying to stay snatched.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe this bitch found time to work out

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<v Speaker 2>with a hot trainer hat as hell. Yeah, really muscular dude.

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<v Speaker 2>They have flirty energy. I hope he becomes the love interest.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's like proving she's like I'll run to my

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<v Speaker 2>car because I don't have time, you know. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she I was eating a sandwich while watching this and

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<v Speaker 2>she has so much to do working out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we go to this I don't know, a nice mansion

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<v Speaker 2>looking house, a nice Victorian looking living room with hot,

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<v Speaker 2>hot women, which makes me because I always think all

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<v Speaker 2>actors are so hot, but then seeing these people, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're so hot and how regular everyone else looks on SVU.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that rude?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think because I think a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>times they try to get people that don't look like actors,

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<v Speaker 1>but then when they do something that is specifically about

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful people, they're like, okay, bring in like the super

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<v Speaker 1>hot actresses. It just it it changed everything for me,

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<v Speaker 1>or like, wow, these are the hot so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could say this is a hot girl convention. Claudia

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<v Speaker 1>is the hostess and it's her house, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lead, like thin looking, blonde woman and her name

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<v Speaker 1>is Lydia Lyra something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote it down somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Lydia Leilah Lia, Lyla, Lyla.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a dumb name.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like fifteen years ago, that's what people name

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<v Speaker 2>their children to be unique and now whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lilah Lilah. Yeah, okay, So we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have Lilah, and then there's a girl with like darker

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<v Speaker 2>lipstick and liner and like her roots are showing, so

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<v Speaker 2>we could tell that she's troubled and this trying because

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<v Speaker 2>of her darker room, you know what I mean, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>put together.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have a little rough looking girl but

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<v Speaker 3>still pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>She's still pretty, but she's not quite as polished looking

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<v Speaker 1>as the rest of them. Hats off to the wardrobe department.

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<v Speaker 1>And here in makeup, they knew how to just subtly

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<v Speaker 1>make it be like she's trying. Yeah, it's amazing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we you know, she's a punk punk energy.

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<v Speaker 2>We figure out she had an abusive relationship and this

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<v Speaker 2>group of women helped her achieve her dreams and get

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<v Speaker 2>out of this relationship and she's stronger than ever. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they're outside and a woman with a fashion hat

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<v Speaker 2>and a peasant top comes out very I mean probably

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<v Speaker 2>I think, the prettiest of them all, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do whatever. Lila comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone wants to do lunch, and this girl's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta go, go, go, I'm not doing lunch with any

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<v Speaker 2>of you. And then we see the rugged girl in

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<v Speaker 2>her beautiful loft in Manhattan and she is on a lane.

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<v Speaker 1>I truly saw it. It was like, what the hell? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this girl? Like she has like a massive

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<v Speaker 1>soho apartment. It's nice, beautiful tub, beautiful tub.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, because so she's on the phone screaming to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody leave me alone, stop calling me, get.

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<v Speaker 3>Off my back.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, is it this cult? Is it the

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<v Speaker 2>ex boyfriend? Are these all red herrings? Is it another person?

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<v Speaker 2>Svu loves to play games with us, But we see

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<v Speaker 2>her screaming, and then it cuts to Benson talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how many steps she was walked in the day. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a nice cut too. She has over twelve thousand steps.

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<v Speaker 1>Bragging Benson just being one of those fitbit braggers.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and then Rawlins.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hope one day I don't hate Rawlins

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I'm sad that you hate Rolands so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, like, I'm not obsessed with Rowlands like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with Benson, but I don't mind her.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides, it's Danny. She might be my least favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Amorrow, you mean oh wait.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Danny Beck. She was my least least favorite Rollin's.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I hope I grow out of my

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<v Speaker 2>Rolins hate. But she's pregnant. She's hiding it, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to see the NIXT game with the boys. But

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<v Speaker 2>then there's like work to do, and she's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>just hate this idea of like I want to work,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, just be pregnant, just do some paperwork.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Olivia says. She goes, you want to move furniture.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't understand it. She's like, take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever she Rollins is just trying too hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate her.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, I'll move on. I'll move on.

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever, Okay. So there's a call Raye Palm a

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<v Speaker 2>side downtown. Benson looks amazing in a white T shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>like she I love this white T shirt. It's this

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<v Speaker 2>nice sheer with a pocket. I'm just into it. And

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<v Speaker 2>her hair is in a banana clip, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>most realistic thing about what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>She always looks too good, and it's like, yes, this bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Wears a banana clip sometimes with like she know she

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<v Speaker 2>has the front tendrils of her hair, some front bangs,

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<v Speaker 2>and then this is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>We get to the crime scene. It is bloody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this girl, you know, roots and she's it's bloody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rollins has topuke. Okay, she should have just gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the fucking nixt game. I'm like, but whatever, she

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<v Speaker 2>needs to puke. And then the guy cop is like,

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<v Speaker 2>she gonna be okay, and it's like she's fucking press

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm defending Rollins.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very bloody crime scene and yeah whatever, the

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<v Speaker 2>credits are rolling. So then Finn Careesy Rollins. Everyone left

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks game. So I guess the game wasn't too good.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you never get a day off on us

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what we see is they cut a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of flesh from underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Like her ribcage.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, I don't know what body part I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, I was like underneath somewhere, but yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's a piece of flesh, and to me, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you were trying to hide some and now

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<v Speaker 2>that's just brought us more attention to this thing. At

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<v Speaker 2>least cut up a bunch of skin floor flesh pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll quote doctor Michael Batt until the cows come home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, killers usually leave something or take something, and

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<v Speaker 2>with this flesh, it's both they took it and more clues.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard and Marge own the house. That's what we learn.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who these people are. It's oh, it's parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're the parents of Abby, someone named Abby. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because we still don't know the name of the main

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<v Speaker 1>girl who has just been murdered. We don't know her

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<v Speaker 1>name now. Yeah, yeah, it's not just my horrible note

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<v Speaker 1>taking and paying attention skills.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I pause this episode a lot to play text

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<v Speaker 2>twist because I'm fully addicted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, can I say something about when I put pause

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<v Speaker 1>this episode? So I have Hulu and I and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't pay for the ad, I still get ads. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand I should just like cough up two more

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a month, but I can't. So when you pause

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<v Speaker 1>on Hulu sometimes they give you a print ad over

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<v Speaker 1>what you're watching. So literally, this girl is on the

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<v Speaker 1>slab and they're about to identify her, these two parents

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<v Speaker 1>from Connecticut to see if it's their daughter. I press

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<v Speaker 1>pause and it's like eating good in the neighborhood, like

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking Applebee's ad over a dead body. I'm like, Hulu,

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<v Speaker 1>you have some class. Yeah, who is working in your

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<v Speaker 1>marketing department? I got a sure, Chulu. No we're not religious,

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<v Speaker 1>No we're not. That's from Housewives. Oh okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is one of the best SVU moments. The

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<v Speaker 2>it's not their daughter. Yeah, you barely ever see that.

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<v Speaker 2>You barely see it. It's great acting. It's a great

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<v Speaker 2>moment of relief, and it's just awesome to see the

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<v Speaker 2>parents be like, no, our daughter is alive. We figure

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<v Speaker 2>out that their daughter is actually on a movie shoot

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<v Speaker 2>and she's also part of this weird collective of women.

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<v Speaker 2>And she let her friend with the roots stay at

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<v Speaker 2>her apartment while she's shooting this movie or TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>She's an actress, and she's wearing a handmaiden's tail out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a full handmaid's tail, like spoof this show, not spoof.

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<v Speaker 3>But like brick but called scarlet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like a costume you would get at

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<v Speaker 2>party city.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be an official exactly. It would be like

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<v Speaker 1>religious wife or dystopian future wife or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>that's like what the costume would be called. I once

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<v Speaker 1>got I was Linda from Bob's Burger's and it was

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<v Speaker 1>burger wife. Supportive burger wife was the name of my costume.

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<v Speaker 1>Supportive burger wife. Wait for what to play Linda from

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<v Speaker 1>Bob's burger Oh my god, supportive Burgerway you do. Look

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<v Speaker 1>you have the energy of a supportive burger wife.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so we find out the girl's name that's dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and her name is Vicky Parson and she broke up

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<v Speaker 2>with her boyfriend, stayed at this girl's place. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have parents, but she had been feeling better lately

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<v Speaker 2>after this group. So a Credo is the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the group, and Benson says, well, hopefully she's opened up

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<v Speaker 2>to this female empowerment.

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<v Speaker 1>Group because she's also given them a ton of money.

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<v Speaker 1>She's written them like ten checks. Wow, yeah, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Rollins So Rollins is now they're walking up to

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<v Speaker 1>this mansion to investigate if this group knows any information

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<v Speaker 1>to help them find the killer, and Rollins goes, who

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<v Speaker 1>knew there was this much money?

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<v Speaker 3>And insecurity?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally everybody knows makeup, plastic surgery, dieting, all billion dollar Industries.

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<v Speaker 2>Rollins again, you prove what a fucking idiot you truly are. O,

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<v Speaker 2>don't I wrote facts from Rollins?

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<v Speaker 1>No, because I don't hate her the way you do nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>But if she was a guest on our show one day,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we'd love to get all.

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<v Speaker 1>The cast members. I don't know what I would do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, are you annoyed with Rollin's bad decision making?

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<v Speaker 4>Too?

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<v Speaker 2>How is this bitch a cop? She doesn't know insecurity

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<v Speaker 2>makes money?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's so true, she's getting her hairs.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think of that, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you wear makeup? Do you do anything that is

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<v Speaker 1>targeted towards women? So we're talking to the fashion hat

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<v Speaker 1>hot girl. She's wearing a studded a club or outfit

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the afternoon for tea. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a hot man in the middle and he's surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>wa like leading a meeting. He's leading this meeting. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're undeserving.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna find your truth, be feeling better, blah blah blah.

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't have bullshit. Okay, it's bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he tries to read Rollin's and is like,

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<v Speaker 2>who put that baby in your belly? And that sickens me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a freak if you say baby. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's the literation or what, but it creeps.

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<v Speaker 1>Me out or his face also is just like lit

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<v Speaker 1>up when he saw she was pregnant in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that was so creepy. Like I had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>guys like like talk to me like that when I

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very freaky.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some men that are truly very turned on

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<v Speaker 1>by pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know one person that he wants to fuck pregnant people.

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<v Speaker 2>So the guy is like, who hurt you?

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<v Speaker 3>Rollin?

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<v Speaker 1>No one loves you, you bet you and your bastard baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rollins is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, all right, I don't care, but where NYPD, shut

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth, come and talk to us. So the main woman, Lila,

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<v Speaker 2>she and the old man are like, oh no, what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>And their acting is good. They're like, oh, poor Vicky,

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<v Speaker 2>and they give name of the ex. His name is

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Simon. He's a line cook at Lucky Duck and

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<v Speaker 2>he's fucking hot, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course Lyla knows. Oh her ex Brad Simon. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a line cook at Lucky Duck. Like, if you asked

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<v Speaker 1>me your ex, I'd be like, I I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>this comic in Chicago, and I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He was from seven years ago. It's different that, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I talked about an abusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Posture, I guess I would know who that was where

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<v Speaker 1>they worked.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you're right.

0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>It would be psychotic if I was talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>seven year breakup Kara.

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<v Speaker 3>He won't leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like so old. But he called her

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<v Speaker 1>a slut bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And posted all these photos of her online, like naked photos,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but like here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally posts like beautiful, sexy, flattering photos of her

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<v Speaker 1>and then is like, now everyone's gonna know what a

0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.439
<v Speaker 1>slutbag you are. And I'm like, I guess, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is as bad as it can get. With revenge porn

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<v Speaker 1>on network TV, you know they can't like also should not.

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<v Speaker 3>Be using the term revenge porn.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Katie Hill the canvast for her?

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<v Speaker 3>I love her?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so she wrote a piece for like Marie Clara

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmo or something like that, and she goes first, revenge

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<v Speaker 2>makes it seem like someone deserved it, and this is revenge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you did something, and porn implies it's a

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<v Speaker 2>consensual thing that happened for consumption and you got paid

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<v Speaker 2>for it, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>Both those words are wrong. Are wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no one deserves to get their shit leaked and

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<v Speaker 2>know these people did not get paid for any that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it's called. So what would you call it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's because men and the patriarch Aaron charge. The

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<v Speaker 2>article said more should I have looked into it yet?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's basically it's a crime. It's what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not revenge porn. And we'll I don't know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put it, we'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're at Brad's apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's fucking hot, and he was like cutting a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of salmon. It was just like but he's in

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<v Speaker 2>the precinct. Really quickly he asks for.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's denying.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like what, I don't know, and then as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as he sees the crime scene photos, he asks for

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, which is really smart because I think because

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<v Speaker 2>he saw the chunk of skin, he knew what had

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this organization and he got scared. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's him like in that moment, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't him. I just so whatever. He asks for

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer really quick. That's shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>So then we cut to the apartment and Finn and

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<v Speaker 2>Careesi are looking for evidence and Finn finds a knife

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<v Speaker 2>in the dishwasher and acts like that's suspicious and he

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<v Speaker 2>found the best evidence in the world. But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>suspicious to me. A knife and a dishwasher seems totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's why they're detectives and I am not, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just judging them.

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<v Speaker 1>They do find.

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<v Speaker 2>Blood on the shoes, blood on the jeans, and Finn

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 2>great advice. He goes, guy would be off the hook

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<v Speaker 2>if he did some laundry, So if you're gonna murder,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, clean the blood up. So they find it's

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Vicki's blood. And then they also find security video from

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<v Speaker 2>two blocks away from Vicky's home, and it's the woman

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<v Speaker 2>in the fashion hat from the cult and her and

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<v Speaker 2>this boyfriend are canoodling and they leave together and in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Video you see that she has the mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is amazing security footage, and so she has

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<v Speaker 1>this base. It is color, it is hi res, it

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<v Speaker 1>is able to be zoomed in on. It is really

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<v Speaker 1>good security footage where you can see that she has

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<v Speaker 1>like a brand underneath her on her ribcage.

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<v Speaker 2>So then they go terrogate the hot chick and she

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<v Speaker 2>starts crying and she goes, I had no idea was him.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, you don't know Vicki's ex. I thought you're

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<v Speaker 2>a family or all friends, and she goes, no, I hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>She talks about him all the time. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>it was him. And then she talks about her number

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<v Speaker 2>one problem and why she joined this cult and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a problem at all. She's like, when I would

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<v Speaker 2>be at bars and men would hit on me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would let them control everything, and I said, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to control it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, what is happening. I just like don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, her goal of the evening was to find

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<v Speaker 2>a man and be like, I'm gonna fuck you, and

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<v Speaker 2>so she did that with this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>She says she didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the brand starts talking and immediately Lydia and the

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<v Speaker 2>man walk out like they just had a timer. Like

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as the brand Sila and Arlow arlow okay,

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 2>So Lela and Arlow come out right as the brand

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>is chatting chatted about and they said that the brand

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<v Speaker 2>was actually Vicky's idea and they fucking loved it and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why.

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<v Speaker 3>They Delilah shows that she has it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So when the detectives walk away, there is like

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<v Speaker 2>a half a second of like Arlow touching this fashion

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<v Speaker 2>hat girl's face and the fashion hat girl smiling at him.

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<v Speaker 2>So that to me was a it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>quick second, but I noticed that. So then Lydia starts

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>talking about how Arlow's a feminist and he reads books,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Arlow also is taking uh, he's taking one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I think maybe CARIESI through the house and

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<v Speaker 1>there's just like a sketchy fucking room of sheetless mattresses,

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<v Speaker 1>like a full, huge room that just has.

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<v Speaker 3>Mattresses on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss that. And he's like, you never know when

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<v Speaker 1>someone's gonna stay over. I'm like, on a nasty mattress

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground at your mansion? What the fuck is

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<v Speaker 1>this place?

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<v Speaker 3>Get a guest room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then Lydia to Ben's was like, no, Benson goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I run my unit and she goes and who runs

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<v Speaker 2>you and it's like, fuck you. The amount of people

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Olivia Benson has helped and changed their lives around and

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 2>has made huge impact on putting away court like fuck

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<v Speaker 2>you trying to tell her that she needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>more confident in her life or she's missing something, like

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<v Speaker 2>you wish you could have accomplished what Benson has.

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<v Speaker 1>Can. I also point out that they do some research

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>on Arlow and they're like, oh, he graduated with xyz

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>degree from Cambridge, badminton player, Like they talk about him

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>playing badminton like that and like a hot thing or something.

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>And being a monk somewhere, and it's like you're either

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<v Speaker 2>a rich kid or you're lying. Either way, not impressive.

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>So we learn Lydia worked at like a financie lie whatever.

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>They know, they fucking know she worked in finance. Arlow

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<v Speaker 2>helps her quit and then she had her own firm.

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<v Speaker 2>She only hires women. I mean, I just don't care

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<v Speaker 2>about these people. Arlow is again harassing.

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<v Speaker 1>Rollins, being like you have sexualblems? Now he says that

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<v Speaker 1>most the women that come to him have sexual problems

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<v Speaker 1>and that he helps them with their sexual problems.

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<v Speaker 3>So he what a kind guy?

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a kind guy, and he also keeps shaming

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Rollins for not having a dad for the like with

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.919
<v Speaker 2>this baby, and it's like, is the season one or

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>season twenty? It's the two thousands baby, Like people are

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>having babes without dads, Like, how is this a point

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>of shame? I'm more impressed with women having babies without men.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry Cara, but.

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did it the easy way with a partner.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but she keeps saying that the dad is an architect.

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's a lie, isn't it like the secret FBI

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>redheaded guy from Grounded for Life? Wait, what, who's Rollin's

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>baby daddy? Her first baby daddy?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that Irish guy fid Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>He has two kids?

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<v Speaker 3>This is her second kid. I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that her second kid. She had a

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<v Speaker 1>first baby in twenty fifteen. She had a second baby

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen. And the reason I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>because I fucking looked it up because I noticed that

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Rollins was getting like was huge this episode. And they're

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>acting like she's four months pregnant, Like they're acting like

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.199
<v Speaker 1>she's just at the point where she should tell one

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 1>pp she's like seven months pregnant because she had her

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<v Speaker 1>baby in October.

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 3>This episode aired in November.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 1>They record, they take pretty close to when they air,

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think she's like six months six or seven

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 1>months pregnant in this So was she real life pregnant times? Yeah,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>they wrote them into the thing. And she has boys

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>in real life, but she has girls on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So the dad of this baby is the doctor who's

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 1>also been in a lot of stuff. But he's not

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>a redhead. He's like a doctor. I've seen him and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I can look it up. The first dad is Declan.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 5>The yeah father is the doctor from who's also the

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<v Speaker 5>lead in Scandal, one of the lads.

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's in Scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm a super fan and had no

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>idea this was her second pregnancy. I feel like I

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>might be lying to everybody thank you for helping me

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<v Speaker 2>figure this Rollins baby situation.

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>No, I was obsessed myself. Now I feel bad for Rollins.

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, now, you're a single mother of two kids

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<v Speaker 1>and a detective.

0:28:58.600 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Different.

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they don't hate you, you know, and your sister

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<v Speaker 2>and mom fucking suck.

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, her sister, don't even get me.

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Her boss is a rapist.

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>She's addicted to Gambling's just too much.

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just too much. So suddenly we cut some Marie

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Basso's house. This is probably like a five million dollar

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>place in New York. I'd say five to seven million.

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And this is the co founder of this cult, an

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>ex wife of Arlow. And you know, she says he's smart,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>empathetic and charming, but she's not surprised by any of this,

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and she has nothing to do with this club anymore.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>And she left the club after Arlow started sleeping with Lila,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and she said that what really pissed her off was

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Arlow said that he was fucking her for Marie zone

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>good to help her with her jealousy issues. So this

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 2>guy has got a lot of nerve, yes, yeah, but

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>not talent or uniqueness. Okay, okay, So now we cut

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to an outdoor yoga class on the river, something I

0:29:58.440 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>did in New York all the time.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>So I'm late to river yoga.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me. That's what I did the most.

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I would take a train from Crown Heights every morning

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Hudson River and I would take out Dori yoga.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>So she's like, listen, I'm done talking to the cops

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and then this is perfect s for you. The women

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>yoga are mad because there's some man in the bushes

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 2>taking photos.

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<v Speaker 3>The cops go talk to him.

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Lucky for them, it's this guy whose wife is the

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 2>fashion hat girl, the like peasant top girl.

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 3>So her name is Gina. Finally, eight pages in.

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>We find out her found equals Gina.

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>So Gina's husband is like, I'm trying to get to

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of this fucking cult. They took my money,

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>they took the deed to my house. She's fucking this

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>guy fucking take my camera. Take all the evidence you need.

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>And so they just found a gold mine, you know,

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>they found a bunch of like a camera with all

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 2>of this evidence.

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>There's pictures of like a bunch of the girls in

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>this group like stepping on VICKI like kicking her in

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the head or.

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Something, Yes, stepping on our neck, and it's called starting over.

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>This is what you do for the cult. And she's

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>a surf.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 3>And Gina says, Vicky was my surf.

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I was her lord. That's what she says.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 3>So then Rollins goes crazy. Pregnant.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Rollins rushes into the squad room squad interrogation, gets the

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>chair out of Gina, pushes Gina to the ground and

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 2>starts stepping on Gina, which I think, you know, it's

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a little stablerish. This is not gonna work.

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Pregnancy hormones are no joke, man, and she's just like okay.

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>So she finally confesses she put the blood on the

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>ex boyfriend. She was told to by her lord that

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>she was supposed to try to fuck this guy and

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>then put blood all over his.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Clothes because Vicky was going to was thinking about leaving

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the cult.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was gonna betray r Low, so they had

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>to fucking kill her. So this is my favorite art

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>of SVU where suddenly the detective or the lawyer has

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 2>a personal connection. You know, Cabot has a not cabotfriend, schizophrenic. Yeah,

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>we find out that the brand means at his mercy

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and you have to give up everything. So they don't

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>know how to connect everyone. And then they figure out

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>that Lila wears a fitness tracker, and on Lilah's fitness

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 2>tracker based on her heart. This seems like such circumstantial evidence,

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but basically her heart tracker, her heart raised during the moments, and.

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>So they tracked the I can't believe you can even

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>find that that you can subpoena that information of a

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>fitbit tracker.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>They're like, it's in the cloud because when the FBI

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>contacted me about like Twitter stuff because someone threatened to

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>bomb my house, they couldn't find the tweets because they

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>were deleted because of all the laws. Like, I can't

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>imagine the government and Apple being like, sure, we'll give

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>you someone's fitness track or heart information, and that that

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 2>would be enough evidence in court to put someone away.

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I just don't believe it. So whatever heart ray equals murder.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>So then Benson and Liilah are in jail. Lilah's in

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>an orange ben suit and Benson is spilling the tea

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and is like, most women are in here because of

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>men's lives. And while I was home, I was watching

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Russian television with my family. Every single show is about

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>a woman going to jail for a man. Every single show.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>This happens all the fucking time. Lets do not go

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>to jail for a man? Tell on him, and Benson

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>lays it down. She goes, has he visited you? Did

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>he get you a lawyer? Has he posted bail? Has

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>he reached out to you? In any way. She goes,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>look to the future of your fucking life, because she's like, well,

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that means my last ten years of my life mean nothing.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, look to your fucking future. If you

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 2>go to jail, you will die in this jail. If

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>you cooperate, you can be out when you're fifty, and

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 2>she goes, that's a lot of life left, and she

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.479
<v Speaker 2>just fucking Benson's incredible. I love her so much. But

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>she won't she's not doing it, or she does make

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 2>a deal, No deal, is it a deal? What's they

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>don't tell us If she makes a deal, she just confesses,

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's a deal.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's gonna like it's not like immunity,

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but she's gonna get like a sense introduction.

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>So then Claudia, who's the bitch that owns the mansion

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and she is the lawyer, and Benson gives

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>another hard course speech. I feel like this was just

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 2>an episode to get like Benson and Emmy honestly a

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of fucking lessons and monologues. And she gives a

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.439
<v Speaker 2>hardcore speech about like you trick women, you build them up,

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 2>they are vulnerable with you, and then you use their

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>vulnerability to destroy them, and Arle claps he's condescending as fuck.

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 2>But then Claudia and rawlins they have a scuffle outside.

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, because you could tell when Benson's making your speech

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.359
<v Speaker 1>that Claudia is affected like that. She's kind of like,

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, something like some of what you're saying is

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>really ringing true, Like Benson's able to like deprogram a

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>cult victim in like two seconds.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she is incredible, the best detective of the land.

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>And and then Benson complains about her kid and goes,

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know there were stubborn sixes phase, And it's

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 2>like kids are always suck.

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Pick an age, they suck. No I okay, I have

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a kid. I love my kid. Noah is the worst.

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I hate Noah.

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:11.959
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>If you listen to this podcast, you gotta be on

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the Noah hate train. Noah the taught like Noah the

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>five year old sucks. I loved him when he was

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a baby. Okay. Also, there's an RBG mug on Benson's desk.

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you see it?

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I did not pick ups to RBG. You know that's

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>so wild you mention that. But Noah has no choice.

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>He was like adopted from a drug den. His grandma

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>tried to steal him. He almost got hit by a car.

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 2>There was false accusations.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Of his bomb beating, but he's so annoying. He's just like, no,

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it. And it's like, do you know

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>what Benson has given up for you? Yeah, that's what

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to say to my baby too. I'm like,

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I used to be thin.

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>So Claudia basically posted bay. Oh, so he posts bail.

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Can you just finish this episode? Yeah, I'm like done, Yeah,

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it's fine to the end.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Look, he basically posts bail, but then he tries to flee.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Claudia calls in a tip to the cops and says

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.800
<v Speaker 1>he's on his way to Westchester County Airport. They bust

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>him right as he's about to board this jet because

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 1>his ex wife Maria or whatever, the gorgeous woman this

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>is xyfe forgot to fuel up the private jet. So

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they get him, so, you know, and then they stop

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>him and he's let off in handcuffs.

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 3>So he's obviously going to get.

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Busted for the actual like coercion of a crime or

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>whatever he's guilty of. Plus trying to flee like he's

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 1>going to get it, so you feel like it's happy.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And then Rollins tells Benson, Hey, the dad of this

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>baby's a cardiologist, and that's how the episode ends.

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm glad he got caught.

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it was a rich person problem that stopped

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>him from fleeing, you know who forgets to fuel a

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>pa jet And the ex wife was friendly still with Arlow.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 3>So it's hard to escape a cult.

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're going to find out a hell of

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot more about that when we come back from

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>our break because I've got all the details on the

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>true crime that.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 3>This is based on.

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Be right back, Hi, guys, thanks for hanging in through

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the commercial. One quick thing we wanted to just address

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>from the last part of the pod was we are

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.240
<v Speaker 1>not going to use the term revenge porter anymore, and

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>there is a movement to start calling that non consensual photography.

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 3>So we're going to hop on behind that.

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to read Katie Hill's opinion article,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that will be in our show notes. Okay, Lisa, are

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you ready to fucking delve into the world of female

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>wellness cults?

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm so ready because this has been in the zeitgeist

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 2>for like months now, and I've purposely not listened to

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>any of it so I could be taught by you.

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>So I'm really excited.

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>This episode aired in October of twenty eighteen, and a

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>year earlier is kind.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 3>Of when the whole thing blew up.

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>They got on it pretty quickly because it is a

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>complicated case, so they waited for some stuff to unfold

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and criminal charges to happen, and then they h So

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>let me just get get into it, Okay. So this

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.919
<v Speaker 1>episode is based on a cult for sure that you've

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>probably heard of called Nexium. It's spelled like with Roman

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>numerals NXIVM, but it's pronounced nexium, which on the surface

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 1>is just an MLM that offers like self help and

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>personal development courses which they called ESP Executive Success Programs.

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Let me just tell you that I hate MLMs. It

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>stands for multi level marketing. It's a lot of the

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff you see where like a girl you haven't talked

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to that you barely talk to in college hits you

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:38.959
<v Speaker 1>up and is like.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Hi, I'm just wondering if you wanted to reconnect.

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's like because they want to sell you like

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 1>some kind of wrap to make yourself thinner, some kind

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of tupperware and that one knives, cut vacuums with sell

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and dot and that kind of stuff. I'm almost like

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.839
<v Speaker 1>that's okay with me a little bit because I'm just like, oh,

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>you see jewelry, you can look at how good it is.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>You can buy it if you want to buy it whatever.

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't like miracle cures, skincare stuff that's like not

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>like there's kind of no proof that it works on

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a person, you know, it's like a lot of like

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Amway all that stuff. I just think it's it's if

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you listen to something like The Dream, you can get

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>an idea of really how evil and insidious this these That.

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Was just on the tip of my I was just

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>about to say they're so evil. Yeah, and it puts

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 2>people that are in desperate need in a more evil

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>position because then they're ruining other.

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>People's lives because they have to.

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just so fun. Yeah.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So Nextim was started by a guy named Keith Rinier

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 1>and a woman named Nancy Salzman in nineteen ninety eight.

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Nancy was a psychiatric nurse and a trained practitioner of hypnotism.

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And neuro linguistic programming. So neural linguistic programming is a

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>complete pseudoscience. You can look it up. There's like a full,

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>huge long Wikipedia about it. But it's basically it's a

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of like just teaching people how to like say

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>things to themselves to make the m self successful. It

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of like self brainwashing and brainwashing. So

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not a real degree.

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure she was a nurse. Says she

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 3>was a psychiatric nurse.

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>The neural linguistic If you look up neural linguistics, it

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 1>says that it's a pseudoscience. Keith was an established con man.

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Prior to founding NECM, he had created other MLMs. One

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.399
<v Speaker 1>was a pyramid scheme which collapsed after signing up two

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand people and bringing in more than

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>thirty three million dollars a year. And he learned all

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of this from taking courses from you got it Amway.

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>That's how he learned how to do all this. And

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the Betsy de Vos family, right, Yes, they started

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 1>an Amway. So like MLMs are fucking evil. So in

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.280
<v Speaker 1>ninety six he denied wrongdoing but agreed to pay forty

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars fine, and was permanently banned from promoting, offering,

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>or granting participation in a chain distribution scheme. So he

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't He's not supposed to be part of anything like this, Okay.

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>So they started this program in nineteen ninety eight, and

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 1>since then, sixteen thousand people have enrolled in their courses.

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>They do these trainings called large group Awareness Training, which

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>is it's like nextim uses it Landmark.

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 3>If you've ever heard.

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I was actually just about to interrupt you and say

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I lost a friend of Landmark. Yeah, and I was

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>her friend that she brought, you know. That's like all

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>she did group a weekend, twelve hour days and then

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>on the third day you bring a sucker.

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 3>And I was that sucker.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I'm not doing it, and she

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 2>all her money went into it. I mean, she fucking

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>loved Landmark and it twisted her brain and I couldn't

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>even be around her anymore. She constantly was writing like

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 2>it was wild and it was wild to be there,

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and everyone's like, just it's only five hundred dollars, It's

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 2>only five hundred dollars, and I'm.

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm fine.

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So This was a huge thing in the early two thousands.

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>This was like a very lucrative fad. Was like executive training,

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>large group awareness training, stuff like that, like your work

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>would do it, but then people would go on their own.

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>It was like ways to realize your potential.

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Also have to say, I knew, I know a couple

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of people that did just the first weekend of Landmark,

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>got a lot out of it and never went back.

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and I think the same is true of Nexium.

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Some people went to Nexium just took a couple of

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>courses and were like, that was great, that's really helping me,

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 1>like speak up more at work, It's helping me find

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>joy in the every day blah blah blah. But then

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the people that got severely involved is where things went south.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 3>So you took Nexxium courses, which you paid for.

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>There's rumors that they were seventy five hundred to eight

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars per course, so not cheap. Yeah, you were

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the people rich joining this. A lot of the people

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>were rich well because like a lot of them came

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>from executive training programs and stuff. And then, like I said,

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you could either just take a couple of courses or

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you could start moving up the ranks. Now you're going

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>to start to see how a lot of this resembles scientology.

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It's so crazy. Before you say something, I think it's like,

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 2>this is.

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Why we're insane here, or I also thought about the

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>raziniche the Wow Country Wild Country. Yeah, so that's funny.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the articles I read was like, pause, wild

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>wild Country. Here's something even crazy because when that was

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:56.720
<v Speaker 1>being aired is when the nexium stuff was all breaking.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know about this yet. We'll see

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 2>what crazier. But ground up beavers in the water supply

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 2>can nexium beat that.

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>There's some crazy shit, but I don't know about that.

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>So in the same way as scientology has you move

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 1>up the bridge, nexium has you move up the stripe path.

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Everybody gets these sort of sashes that like you every

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>time you move up a level you get this different color,

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and then stripes are like different things you get on

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>your sash to like move higher and higher. Up are

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the girl scouts in MLM. Now I'm getting worried. Oh

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so they sell cookies for badges, that's true,

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>but they can get out whatever they want. So Keith

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>was called Vanguard. In this group, Keith, everyone has to

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>call Keith Vanguard. Everyone has to call Nancy Prefect.

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know Vanguard is a word because of the

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 2>MTV Vanguard Awards Vanguard and they gave it to Michael

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Jackson and Britney Spears.

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, So their photos are up during classes

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like they're very revered. They're very worshiped, like the Vanguard

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and the Prefects. So this is Keith and Nancy.

0:43:59.360 --> 0:43:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, intensive classes were twelve hours a day for

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>sixteen days, and Keith claimed like he claimed to be

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a scientist, so he called this teaching a technology. He's like,

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a technology to make you a better person.

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It's about making you a better person, making you someone

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that can help the world become a better place, making

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>you more ethical. Like your fears are you not? Are

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>holding you back? And like you worrying about yourself is

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>so conceited. You're just like you're not listening to how

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you can help the world. You're only thinking about yourself.

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like, honestly, you sit and listen to this guy.

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I also watch The Vow on HBO, which is I

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>just watched the sixth episode I believe it's seven, eight

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>or nine parts.

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 3>You should watch it.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>It's very informative on this whole thing, and I'm not

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to recap a nine part series

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 1>in twenty minutes, but I'm doing my best. Every time

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Keith is speaking, he's like lying back on a couch

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by women, looking like a total nasty schlub. He's

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>got long hair, like not a super wild Wall Country beard,

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>but like just like an unkempt beard, and he's not

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 1>attractive to me, but tell that to the women in

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>this cult. And he's kind of talking in circles like

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 1>everything he's saying, I'm like, what are you even saying?

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Like say one thing that is a concrete point. Everything

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>is like and that's just the thing, you know, with

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>like the cycle and what you're trying to say and

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>do and what you're putting into the world. It's like,

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>say a sentence like nothing is real. It's all psychobabble,

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's all circular.

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 3>Talking, confusing me.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're saying it's to be less selfish, and yeah,

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>it's for executives trying to make more money and speak

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.439
<v Speaker 2>at work, So like, I don't none of that really

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:34.879
<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're kind of smart the way they did it

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 1>because they started in ninety eight and they did not

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 1>get busted until twenty seventeen, so they rent for almost

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty years, like just building and building slowly and slowly

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>in Albany, New York.

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I saw a tweet that was like, we

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>should have known something was suspicious getting people to move

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to Albany.

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all these hot people moving to Albany. Something's up.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So he would do this thing where he would get

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of patents, like he would patent his technology.

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>He would like try to patent parts of what he

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was teaching. And I guess the US Patent Office will

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>truly give a patent to anyone. And there's people call

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>patent trolls. And guess who was another patent troll? L

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Ron Hubbard, the creator of scientology. Like they thought that

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it would make you more substantial, like person that the

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 1>government is confirming this is a person with idea. True.

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Shark Tank, it's one of the most important things.

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>They're always like patent pending.

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's.

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Usually patten on your special sponge or whatever, but not

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like this bullshit technology about how to get over your

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>parents being mean to you or whatever.

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:32.479
<v Speaker 3>It's just none of it's real.

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So they preyed upon people that were obviously wealthy if

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 1>they could afford the classes. But the people were also

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>extremely attractive, like everybody in this video, and you can

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>see in the footage from the nineties and the early

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>two thousands they're not that hot. Starting in like the

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty tens, they're hot like they obviously were. Like this

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is the way you convince people to get into groups

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>like this is show them all these beautiful people loving

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it right, so that you're getting actresses. But they're not

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:00.879
<v Speaker 1>like you. I think we tend to think of people

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>who get into cults as like weak minded, like I

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do with my life and then

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you stumble into a cult. That's not really how these

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 1>people are. Like a lot of these people were really striving.

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>They're very like successful people that were striving for more.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them were rich when they started it.

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>They were like, I just wasn't I was rich, I

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>was successful, but I didn't have joy in my life.

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>So they're just looking for like that missing thing, and

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:23.919
<v Speaker 1>that's like who they're preying upon. One of the former

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>members says they go for people who are successful, easy

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to get along with, capable, They go after beautiful people.

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.919
<v Speaker 1>So that's a very noticeable thing. It's not like these

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>are all like gross hippies like the Manson family or like,

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, yes.

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>But at least with the gross hippie cults, there's drugs,

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>they're set, and there's party. There's like this is not

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that mental expansion and LSD.

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 3>There's like something fun about this. I don't. Yeah.

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, so one of his big things is called the

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>practice of EM and like people would like love for

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Keith to give them an EM, which stands for exploration

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of meaning. So it'd be like, okay, Lisa, let's talk

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>about why you react this way when you hear a

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 1>car horn beep or something like that, and they would

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>like probe deep into your memory and try to get

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you to like change the way you react to something,

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure like any therapists can do in a

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>regular ethical way, but it sounds more like auditing, like

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 1>what they do in scientology. I think a lot of

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>times they try to get you to admit stuff, Like

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's rumors that certain celebrity men have gone

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 1>into Scientology and told them that they're gay and that

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>that's what the church has over them. They have them

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 1>on tape admitting that they're gay or that they had

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>gay experiences or something. Anyway, I wonder who those actors are.

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm nice because I don't want to humber myself up

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.479
<v Speaker 1>to any lawsuits. But you can watch a South Park

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and figure it out. So they were also taught that

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 1>people who were against them being in the group were

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 1>called suppressives, which comes right out of scientology. And if

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you were in the group and then turned against Keith,

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>it was called the fall. You were like going through

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the fall, and then you were called a Luciferian after that.

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's just wild. Like they also taught some members

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 1>that they were incarnated Nazis, that they were responsible for

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven, like all this stuff, and that their

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 1>goal was to work and suffer in life so that

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:08.840
<v Speaker 1>they could make up for all these past crimes they

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>committed in past lives.

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:10.760
<v Speaker 3>It's wild.

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>So this group grew like kind of quietly until two

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, and then they started luring in more

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>high profile people, like they got a former surgeon general,

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 1>an Enron executive, the daughter of the former president of Mexico.

0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 3>They claim Richard Branson, but he denies it. The CEO

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 3>of like.

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Virgin I don't think he would go in there. He

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>already has his own islands. Yeah, that's true.

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.760
<v Speaker 3>What gets you can't find more joy in your life

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 3>than your own island.

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't understand, you know, he's like, what's it called.

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like skydiving from hot air balloons and Fiji Like

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand.

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't buy that. But I love a president's daughter, going, yeah,

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Mexican president's daughter. Like all these actresses like Grace Park,

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Nikki Klein, the heir of Seagrams. This man, Edgar Bronfman

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Senior went to one and his daughter's claireence Aero Bramfman

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>are very important characters. They're the heiresses to the Seagram fortune.

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Or is this an active group? Like are people still

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in it? Well, I'll tell you, okay to it, okay, okay.

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and three, Forbes published an article

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that they thought was going to be this really positive article,

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was like a complete like hammering of them.

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Like in the article, Edward Bronfman Senior, the heir of

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>this huge fortune, was like, I think it's a cult.

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Like he said it definitively, I think it's a cult.

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.359
<v Speaker 1>And his daughter he fell out with his daughters from

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 1>that because his daughters, like were deeply, deeply involved in it.

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 1>The Forbes article, which we will link to in the

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>show notes, says it was aimed at breaking down his

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>subjects psychologically, separating them from their families and inducting them

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 1>into a bizarre world of messianic pretensions, idiosyncratic language, and

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>ritualistic practices. Hello, that is scientology, like tou a te

0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>So that freaks Yeah for me.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like if they're telling you to not hang out

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.839
<v Speaker 2>with their family or kids or friends or husband, that's

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a cult.

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and three, Kristin Snyder, a thirty five

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>year old environmental consult disappeared after an Nexium session in Alaska.

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Her body was never found, but her truck was parked

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 1>on the shore of a bay with a note in

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it that said I was brainwashed and my emotional center

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 1>of the brain was killed slash turned off. Please contact

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>my parents if you find me or this note. I

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>am sorry. I didn't know I was already dead. Sketchy

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>was it in her handwriting. Yeah, I think so. I

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know, they didn't get into that, but you are

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a detective. Another former medical another for Alaska is.

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Just tough because the terrain there, like there's just so

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 2>many places to hide a body.

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's true.

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Alaska also wasn't like a huge hub of

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 1>this group, Like so they had big hubs in like Albany,

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Seattle at one point, Vancouver, and in Mexico and in Canada,

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I said Vancouver geography. Okay. One former member set a

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>medical doctor experiments at her and just would show her

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.319
<v Speaker 1>horrible murders and rapes while recording her.

0:51:58.320 --> 0:51:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Eeg.

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 1>She was like, not told you was going to be

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>seeing any of this and showed her like brutal, brutal stuff.

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So this Forbes article kind of hit them a little bit. Well,

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it didn't actually hit them, as was two thousands Free.

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 1>They didn't get caught from three and twenty ten. There

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>are big exposees that come out in really reputable magazines,

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.799
<v Speaker 1>like I think the twenty ten one was Vanity Fair,

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and like they just keep going like nobody is paying attention.

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 1>They have such deep pockets because of these brumptman sisters.

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>They are they are said to have bounkrolled one hundred

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and fifty million dollars for this venture, like and that

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 1>includes money given to Keith just playing the stock market

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and he sucks at it, so he just lost sixty

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>six million dollars doing that, which they covered thirty million

0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars to buy real estate in La and Albany, eleven

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 1>million dollar dollars for a twenty two seat private jet,

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and then millions to support lawsuits of anyone who who

0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>came against Nexium. So like these women were like they.

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>See some family girls spent all of their money helping

0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 2>this raggedy aid down.

0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>So much money, but so one hundred and fifty might

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 1>not have been all of it, but they spent a

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 1>ton of it helping this grifter. Essentially, they got the

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Dalai Lama involved, Like the Dalai Lama did visits to Albany,

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and in the vow they show that one time he

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>won't come to Albany because he hears about how sketchy

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Keith is. So Keith goes to the Dalai Lama like

0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 1>flies private to the Dalai Lama with the Brompfin sisters

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.359
<v Speaker 1>to be like, I'm good like all these people are

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:22.919
<v Speaker 1>lying about.

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:24.640
<v Speaker 3>This is the thing about the Dalai Lama.

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I always you know, obviously you love a monk like

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fan of La and you have a huge fan.

0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 2>And then a couple of years ago he said that

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>if a woman were to take over for him, she

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>needs to be hot. Ugly women cannot be the Dalai Lama.

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was just like even the Dalai Lama, this

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so called most enlightened human ever, kindness, spirit like joy

0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.240
<v Speaker 2>to everyone is still just like no ugliest please.

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 3>So to me, it just proves that it is all men.

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:58.840
<v Speaker 1>There is no one said it is all men, and

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no one.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 2>That's actually enlightened because yeah, to NA see past that

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>that's wild. So after that, I've kind of I unfollowed

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:09.480
<v Speaker 2>him on Instagram now.

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I but I just I'm like, everyone's a scam.

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>How is the How can we say Nexium is a

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 2>fraud but not the Dalai Lama.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Who knows? Hey, that's true?

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let me So Randy's into all these celebs

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and people showing up on private jets.

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:25.720
<v Speaker 3>I just think there's more to the Dalai Lama.

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>You're right, I think we should start a Dalai Lama

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Exposity podcast offshoot.

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that even met with him, because but

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>there's photos, is their photos of them together, Yeah so

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 2>he will yeah fuck it.

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>So okay, so let me explain what exactly happened that

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>got them in trouble. So Nexium is the is the

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>main umbrella group. Under Nexium, there are like offshoot groups

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that are like more specific. So there's one called the

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Society of Protectors that's aimed at men. There's another one

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that's called Genes, which is for women. In a credo,

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that's what they basically outwardly were trying to make it

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 1>look like, was like Geness, we help women, like we

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:02.399
<v Speaker 1>empowered each other, we support each other, and a man

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be in charge. So this is all the listeners.

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>So then exactly, so then out of jenness came this

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>secret society called DAWs DOS, which stood for Dominus obsequious sororium,

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>which is a Latin phrase that translates to master over

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 1>slave women. And DOS was also called the Vow. So

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that's where the name of the HBO show comes from.

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>So this was like the highest level of this cult

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 2>or just like the most it's just.

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Secret and it was just women.

0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So it was like all these women thinking that this

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>would be this super cool. Uh, but women didn't start it, Keith.

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>It was Keith's idea. You know, Like obviously Keith came

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.920
<v Speaker 1>up with this idea. It's about excluding others, right, because

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.440
<v Speaker 1>not every woman is in it. And then later when

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 1>you find out that they're getting branded, not every woman

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>who's in it is getting branded. So I don't know

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>how they're deciding who gets branded and who's in it

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>for life and whatever. So it is exclusionary. So Keith

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 1>meets up with Ali Mack. Alison Mack is this actress

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.440
<v Speaker 1>from Smallville. Okay, that's what she's well known.

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 3>If this is her biggest credit, let's her biggest.

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Credit is Naxiom. But look, I looked up her Instagram

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.200
<v Speaker 1>is still lives. She hasn't used it in two years

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.320
<v Speaker 1>since she got arrested, but she had one hundred and

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>four thousand followers. People are interested in Ali Mack. So

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>she is one of the founders of DOS with Keith.

0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He is the grand master. She is his slave, Okay,

0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and then what she does is she picked some slaves

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 1>to be their master. I think she has I think

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:25.839
<v Speaker 1>everybody has six slaves, and then those slaves would work

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:27.880
<v Speaker 1>as slaves for a while, and then they eventually they

0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>would say a slave to her, but they would be

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:31.279
<v Speaker 1>able to take on their own slaves.

0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:33.800
<v Speaker 3>And what do they make Why do you need slaves? Okay?

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Because it's about breaking people down mentally so that they

0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>will be like pliable and loyal to you.

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 3>That's like what it's completely about.

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 2>So is this Ali Mack person? Is she a victim

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 2>of this guy? Or is she an evil?

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 1>It's a great question. That's a great fucking question because

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 1>people say, why should she be treated any differently than

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the other victims? But I think it was because she

0:56:56.480 --> 0:57:00.239
<v Speaker 1>helped create this. But I think he's still influenced her.

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>So that is a great question. That is the question,

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>that is the moral question of this whole thing. It's like,

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 1>can we punish her when she was just as under

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 1>his spell as everyone else? You know?

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Has she done any interviews or any neuvelance?

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 6>No?

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 3>No, no, because she's still waiting to be sentenced.

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So let me just say, Rick Ross, is this called

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 1>expert great name, well, a completely different expert, white man

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>who is not Rick Ross. He calls Alison Mack the

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>tom cruise of Nexium. Okay, so she's kind of the

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 1>face of it. She's very pretty, she's very personable. She

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>brought in tons and tons of people into this. She

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>constantly is trying to recruit famous people. I saw what

0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>read this article where she talks about that. She's on

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Twitter trying to get Emma Watson to get in touch

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.840
<v Speaker 1>with her, trying to get Kelly Clarkson, Beverly Mitchell, all

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>these high profile journalists being like, hey, I'm part of this.

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I think Beverly Mitchell feels lucky to be included in

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 2>this group of powerful actresses.

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 1>She wrote to Kelly Clarkson, I heard you're a Smallville fan.

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge fan of yours. Like DM me let's

0:57:56.400 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>connect like such a classic MLM message totally. So recruitment

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>is huge, Like it's the same, it's very similar to

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>scientology and that it's a lifetime vow of obedience. You

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 1>sign a contract. They take collateral from you, which is

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:11.920
<v Speaker 1>can be physical like the deed to your house and

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, but also naked photos like videotapes of

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you saying how much you like hate your brother's wife

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, like just stuff that would actually

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:24.240
<v Speaker 1>really hurt you if it got out, And they recollect

0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>collateral from you every now and again, So it's not

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>enough to just give something at the beginning. You have

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to like keep giving collateral. They want to keep you

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.439
<v Speaker 1>on the hook. I like that you couldn't possibly leave

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.480
<v Speaker 1>because you're so scared of the collateral getting out.

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's so easy to be like these fucking idiots,

0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's like what if I get tricked?

0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:41.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like you don't want right. This cult

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 1>is also insanely on the phone, Like so much of

0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it is on the phone. They're using WhatsApp. I think

0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>because it's encrypted. There's a thing with your master. If

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>your master says sends you a question mark, you have

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to write ready master or RM within sixty seconds or

0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you get in trouble, like you have to always be

0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Those are called like readiness checks.

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I think swimming laps in a pool.

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 1>You probably can't, like you literally have to like have it.

0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you could write your master and say, may I

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 1>have permission to swim laps in a pool for twenty minutes?

0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:10.920
<v Speaker 3>I won't be able to respond to your dad.

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe there's something like that, But there's all this

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on over text. You have to write good

0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 1>morning Master to your morning in the morning there may

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I eat? Now, Master, may I pee? Part of being

0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>in DOSS was being thin, so they would constantly tell you, like,

0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.560
<v Speaker 1>if you lose weight, go out like Teddy Mellencamps grow. Honestly,

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought about it because the one girl's on a

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 1>five hundred a day calorie thing, and I was like,

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you cannot do five hundred calories a day. That's like starvation.

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's because Keith preferred thin, like rail thin women.

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:41.919
<v Speaker 1>So like, there's this one woman in it who gives

0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:43.919
<v Speaker 1>her whole story, which I'm not going to go through,

0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>but she talks about how she eventually starts having sex

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 1>with Keith, and she says that it wasn't until she

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 1>lost a certain amount of weight that things that he

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:53.520
<v Speaker 1>actually had sex with her. He would flirt with her

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and like there was some intimacy happening between them, but

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:58.800
<v Speaker 1>not until she hit like his goal weight for her

0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 1>that he started having sex with with her. It is

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:02.920
<v Speaker 1>truly wild.

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, because I'm also thinking wondering if these women, some

1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 2>of them are like into BDSM or like having a

1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.960
<v Speaker 2>slave masters sexual thing and don't know how to like

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.160
<v Speaker 2>do it in their own way, and this brought it, Like,

1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I wonder.

1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's this about that friendship it's

1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.040
<v Speaker 1>about it's supposed to be about friendship and making you stronger.

1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.800
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, this is about getting through pain, is

1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:28.880
<v Speaker 1>about strength. Like so when one of the women, Sarah Edmondson,

1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.440
<v Speaker 1>who has a book actually about her whole experience on this,

1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like she is like the main character in the vow,

1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:36.560
<v Speaker 1>She's like the main person. She's the whistleblower in the

1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:38.840
<v Speaker 1>New York Times article that came out in twenty seventeen,

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and she talks about how like when she was getting branded,

1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:44.800
<v Speaker 1>she didn't know what was going on and her best

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.959
<v Speaker 1>friend was holding her down and it was Nancy Salzman's daughter,

1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Lauren's her best friend, the godmother of her son, is

1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.720
<v Speaker 1>holding her down and going, you need to show these

1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 1>other women what strength looks like. You cannot like freak

1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 1>out and be like this is you have to deal

1:00:58.000 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 1>with your pain and blah blah blah.

1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Actually I watch a Hulu series on cults and I

1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:03.919
<v Speaker 2>did watch an hour on this and I think it's

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:07.040
<v Speaker 2>this woman. But one of them I was talking about

1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the branding process and being held down and it just

1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:11.240
<v Speaker 2>seems really horrific.

1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it is horrible.

1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Like they said that you could just like smell burning flesh.

1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:16.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like awful, and like at the end of

1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the day you had to fill out a failure form

1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 1>like say everything you did wrong, like you didn't wake

1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.400
<v Speaker 1>up at six am, you didn't get back to your

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:25.560
<v Speaker 1>master in time, you didn't call your mom, you went

1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:28.919
<v Speaker 1>over your calories like they So they showed this thing

1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:31.680
<v Speaker 1>of them saying master, may I have eighty five calories

1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and taking a photo of their food and sending it

1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to their master and like that back and forth and

1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the master can say yes or no. My husband, of course,

1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>tweeted a picture of a bacon eater and said, master,

1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:43.240
<v Speaker 1>may I have nine hundred and fifty calories? So you

1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:48.200
<v Speaker 1>keep funny that came out on Twitter. So basically, Keith

1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:51.120
<v Speaker 1>just constantly has like tons of women around him. He's

1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:54.760
<v Speaker 1>sleeping with them, he's going on nighttime walks with them.

1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:59.240
<v Speaker 1>He's very flirtatious. Everybody in this organization men, women, Everybody

1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:01.040
<v Speaker 1>kisses on the life when they greet each other.

1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:02.640
<v Speaker 3>I wonder whether they're doing post COVID.

1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not going to survive coronavirus.

1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, hold on, are they jealous of each other when

1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:11.040
<v Speaker 2>they're all fucking him?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they competed?

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<v Speaker 1>They're not talking to each other about that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think they're like, my closeness with Keith is

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<v Speaker 1>like our is like our own thing. And like in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, he's had like three girlfriends that have like

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<v Speaker 1>known about each other, like three like living girlfriends, and

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<v Speaker 1>they all know about each other, but he does move

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<v Speaker 1>on to younger models all the time. He had one

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend in this organization who was very high up in

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<v Speaker 1>jenness and she died of cancer and afterwards three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar was charged to her credit cards. So just

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<v Speaker 1>saying it seems like I've not heard of one cult

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<v Speaker 1>yet that's not about trying a man trying to fuck

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<v Speaker 1>as many people as possible. So when they originally got

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<v Speaker 1>this brand on them, they were told that it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a mountain with the horizon and then like water

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<v Speaker 1>going through it. But when you like turn it sideways,

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely says for Keith Ranier. And then people were like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you turn it again, it looks like it says

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<v Speaker 1>am for Alison Max. So they like figured out a

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<v Speaker 1>way to do both of their initials and branded them

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<v Speaker 1>into these women. And Keith like, do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them are sitting like haa, we've were evil

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna bring no. I think they're like versus

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<v Speaker 1>hell being like she's at least being told that by him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he probably in his own delusional way thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But he is having sexual relationships with these women,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like really creepy. A text from him was

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<v Speaker 1>found that where he said it was not initially intended

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<v Speaker 1>as my initials, like the brand, and they rearranged it

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<v Speaker 1>slightly for a tribute.

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<v Speaker 3>If it were Abraham Lincoln's or Bill Gates's initials, no

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<v Speaker 3>one would care.

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<v Speaker 1>He thinks that's his delusion of grand or that he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he's that like high up as these people. So

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen, they gather all these like whistleblowers finally

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<v Speaker 1>get together and this huge article comes out in the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, which honestly, I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why this got a little bit hidden, I

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<v Speaker 1>think when it did come out was because it was

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<v Speaker 1>happening like it's the end of the first year of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's presidency, it's wine Seine, it's me too, all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it actually kind of rode the coattails of

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<v Speaker 1>me too, Like when Me Too happened, they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>look at how these women have been like brainwashed and

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<v Speaker 1>manipulated by men. Like it ended up getting some price,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't think it got as much press as

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<v Speaker 1>it would have gotten in like a boring news cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>I also wonder if it's like Comedians with Louis, if

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, well, when can he go back to work?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, has he not suffered enough?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So the article came out Hervy and just like scientology,

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<v Speaker 1>they have like deep pockets. They try to fuck with

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<v Speaker 1>you if you come for them. But it's crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this woman Sarah is talking about how her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend Lauren like held her down and like and

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<v Speaker 1>like convinced her to do dass in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she found out later that Lauren had been

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping with Keith for like a decade and that he

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<v Speaker 1>had kept promising her a baby and like that he

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<v Speaker 1>was never going to give her, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, so did he always work condoms?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if there was just abortions on speed dial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going on, freaking knows. She took a stand.

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<v Speaker 1>She took the stand as part of her plea deal

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Salesman and admitted to locking a woman in a

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<v Speaker 1>room for two years as punishment, and that nexim women

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<v Speaker 1>had to send nude pics to Keith where they are smiling,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have to look like they're sending nudepics that

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<v Speaker 1>they're like happy about.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, they kept a woman in a room for two.

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<v Speaker 1>Years and they threatened her with deportation. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like fully psychotic. So because of this New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times article, the New York Attorney General got like because

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<v Speaker 1>people had gone to the authorities before, and the authorities

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<v Speaker 1>were just like, sorry, you guys consented to getting branded,

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<v Speaker 1>You consented to like texting your calories. Like they just

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<v Speaker 1>weren't dealing with it as a cult andated the police

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<v Speaker 1>were not educated, like, of course, not the way they

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<v Speaker 1>are with where Benson is like immediately like this isn't right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not, you know, like she knows immediately, So they

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<v Speaker 1>all started in that article came out October of twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting in March of twenty eighteen, Renier was arrested and

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<v Speaker 1>indicted on sex trafficking, sex trafficking, conspiracy, conspiracy to commit

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<v Speaker 1>forced labor. Found guilty of all charges, and in October,

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Ranieri was sentenced to one hundred and twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>in prison for sex trafficking and other crimes, and was

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<v Speaker 1>ordered to pay a one point seventy five million dollar fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing I think is wild is like how little

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<v Speaker 1>information there is about Nancy, Like she was a woman

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<v Speaker 1>at the top, top top, who was not in a

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<v Speaker 1>sexual relationship with Keith as far as I know and

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<v Speaker 1>as far as any of the research I've done shows.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone has more information about that, please let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>And she allowed all this to go on. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>her own daughter was like one of the head people

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<v Speaker 1>in this in dos.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if her daughter was fucking Keith.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was, that's the one who she was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was fucking for ten years and kept promising a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>So her own daughter was having sex with Keith for

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<v Speaker 1>a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is Nancy on tried? Did she is?

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<v Speaker 1>She She pleaded guilty to racketeering and I cannot find

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<v Speaker 1>her sentence. I mean, what is racketeering. Even mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like she broke into email all accounts and tried to

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<v Speaker 1>erase things when they were having lawsuits filed against them.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who she's not even getting involved in like that,

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<v Speaker 1>because her fingerprints are on it. I think she's like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about that, Like, I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how you can claim that when it's like your

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<v Speaker 1>partner and your business and your daughter are so highly involved.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, she seems like the brain's behind all

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And Keith is also maybe her playtoy, because

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<v Speaker 2>how did she just get to think.

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<v Speaker 1>Of But I'm just just so little information about her,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's just all these articles are about Keith. Ali Mack,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bromptman sister is like nothing is about Nancy.

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<v Speaker 3>I stare Nancy.

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<v Speaker 5>Nancy and Keith met because Nancy visited his wholesale supplement

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<v Speaker 5>club seeking a remedy for her constant constipation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how they met, and then it became fun. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he also claimed that his his methods could.

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<v Speaker 3>Cure diabetes, cure scoliosis.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a origin having constipation, and then fast forward

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<v Speaker 2>you are the second in command of a cult. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it's wild, but that had to be in. Maybe she's

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<v Speaker 2>a victim too. I mean this is cults are wild.

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<v Speaker 2>This is wild. The fucking's wild. The hot that gets

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<v Speaker 2>all and yeah, are we all susceptible? Because the Hulu

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<v Speaker 2>thing I watched there was like a round table and

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<v Speaker 2>it was all these people that were in cults talking

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<v Speaker 2>to each other and support and you could tell the

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<v Speaker 2>people that were born into cults and had no choice

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<v Speaker 2>were really judgmental.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the people that as a joined you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>like their parents. Everybody should really watch the VOW because

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<v Speaker 1>I think you kind of get behind Sarah Edmundson's like thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like she is like, I don't know how I allowed

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<v Speaker 1>this to happen. I truly thought I was doing good things.

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<v Speaker 1>But she also got out as soon as she saw

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<v Speaker 1>branding and the anorexia and like all that stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to that, she was like, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was helping people, Like people were getting happier, people were

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<v Speaker 1>finding joy, like and then it was because her best

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<v Speaker 1>friend like pulled her in and was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a this is a thing you should do. She thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a sorority and like, think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is like a hyper exaggerated version of

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<v Speaker 1>like the shit that sororities do for like hazing to

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<v Speaker 1>like bring you closer together, you know as well. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very very multi layered case. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't touched on everything. I hope you didn't sit

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<v Speaker 1>here the whole time going when is she going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this? Because there's so many different things. I

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<v Speaker 1>had three.

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<v Speaker 2>Pages of notes I did and read, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Wild Wild Country documentary came out twenty plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Years after this all happened two three years ago. With

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<v Speaker 1>the exposure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is like ongoing, so like I'm sure we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to learn more and more.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll end it on this. You ask me if

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<v Speaker 3>it still exists.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a handful of loyal Nexian followers who go

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<v Speaker 1>and dance outside of his jail in Brooklyn, sometimes out

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<v Speaker 1>of Keith Rie Nier's jail cell. And I think they

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<v Speaker 1>call him k Rose or something because those are his

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<v Speaker 1>initials but not his name.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, I'm so curious at the fashion from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight to its current member. My god, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming late nineties early two thousands. It was the look

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<v Speaker 2>that's like the jeans with the knee high boots and like,

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<v Speaker 2>like I wanted, I'm just interested in the type of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you also just see the real change in physical

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<v Speaker 1>attractiveness many yeah, like in the late nineties and two

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<v Speaker 1>thousands stuff, and there are not the hot girls that

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing now. Like there's a girl who's the granddaughter

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<v Speaker 1>of the Princess of Yugoslavia named India Oxenbourg who's like

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous and her mother is part of the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times expos trying to get her out, and she produced

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<v Speaker 1>a Lifetime original movie about getting her daughter out of Nexium.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing you can watch. But we have been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this for too long, so we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a guest.

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<v Speaker 2>So our guest from this episode was very dreamy and charming.

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<v Speaker 2>We never wanted it to end, and it is such

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<v Speaker 2>a long interview. We did not let them go, so

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<v Speaker 2>we had to cut a lot of it out. But

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<v Speaker 2>we have to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy built the deck of his house that he

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<v Speaker 1>was at. He cooks, he rock climbs, He is a

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<v Speaker 1>like femine.

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<v Speaker 2>He is politically where we like him. He also lived

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<v Speaker 2>on a sailboat and like we assumed below deck rich style,

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<v Speaker 2>was there a chef and he's like, no, no, chef,

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<v Speaker 2>My mom cooked and I read books and we were

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<v Speaker 2>just on a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like Swiss family Robinson on a boat for

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<v Speaker 1>six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so many hobbies, like so good, yeah, just doing everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time we'd mentioned something, he'd be like, I

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<v Speaker 2>speak Russian, Oh yeah, I've been to Scotland.

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<v Speaker 3>Like truly, just a really.

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<v Speaker 2>Eclectic, well rounded, very nice, cool person. And professionally he's

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<v Speaker 2>killing it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys have seen him on The Man in

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<v Speaker 1>the High Castle, The Young Pope, Supernatural, Vampire Diaries.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a very very prolific.

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<v Speaker 1>IMDb and we were so excited to talk to cult

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<v Speaker 1>leader Arlow himself. Sebastian Roche, do you know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the hottest episode of Law and Order svum mine

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole Sist episode?

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<v Speaker 4>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, There's never been an episode with so many beautiful Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like they really casted it like models and

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<v Speaker 1>like gorgeous. Yes, and you, well, yeah, it's a hot episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Except I didn't. Didn't I shave my head for the episode.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't. I didn't really look like Keith Wenire.

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<v Speaker 3>No, well, we were going to bring that up with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We were like, are you do you? Have you been

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<v Speaker 3>watching the Vow? Are you following?

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<v Speaker 6>Helen started watching the Vow because it's a little depressing.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I'll be honest with you. You know what they did,

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<v Speaker 6>I have some interesting stuff though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I'm not.

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<v Speaker 6>Going to name names, but you know, it's very interesting

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<v Speaker 6>my kind of connection two. I mean, I don't have

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<v Speaker 6>a connection to next him, but I you know, there

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<v Speaker 6>were some people who knew who knew that person, who

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<v Speaker 6>were trying to encourage me to go, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. I mean it was so involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>acting world that I'm sure, Like, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a small world.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like i'd heard.

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<v Speaker 6>About it through you know, through different people. Yeah, who

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<v Speaker 6>I shall.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, truly a scoop.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't imagine a minute in It's like while that

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<v Speaker 2>you were trying to bring in the cult. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>use anyone for inspiration to be this con man?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 4>I just used you know.

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<v Speaker 6>At first, I said, you know, hey, because I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to do it in you know, I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 6>as close as I could to to Reneer, And they said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>we want you to use your normal accent. So you

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<v Speaker 6>know they oh, and so I did, which distanced it

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<v Speaker 6>from from the sort of dreadful reality.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I don't want to, you know, make

1:13:37.400 --> 1:13:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you embarrassed or anything. But you're better looking and have

1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a better accent. So it's like you, Arlow makes more

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me as someone that people would follow. Keith

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<v Speaker 1>Ranieri is like this short weirdo that plays volleyball.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 6>I never understand the desire to join a cult. I

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<v Speaker 6>am so not that kind of person. Every time I've

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<v Speaker 6>been asked to join a movement or you know, or

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<v Speaker 6>a spiritual you know what they call a sort of spiritual.

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<v Speaker 4>What should I say?

1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Development kind of yes, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Always go, you know what, I'll find it myself, thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't need to be, you know, in a room

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<v Speaker 6>of twenty people crying about, you know, what they're going through.

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<v Speaker 4>So I know it sounds a bit harsh, but I've never.

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<v Speaker 3>Been a friends who are cult. It sucks.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, no, it does, and it's extremely dangerous and

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<v Speaker 6>we see the result. You know, there are these people

1:14:31.479 --> 1:14:37.080
<v Speaker 6>who are supposedly charismatic, but they're not. They're actually extremely

1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:40.400
<v Speaker 6>good comment you know, right, and what do comment do

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<v Speaker 6>They basically, you know, make you want to hear what

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<v Speaker 6>you want to hear basically, you know, so that's how

1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:50.800
<v Speaker 6>they managed to manipulate you with you know. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>I looked at him and I was like, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 6>formidable intellectually about this man. And I remember I was

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<v Speaker 6>living upstate New York at the term, and his.

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<v Speaker 1>Center was his to Albany.

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<v Speaker 4>His center was in Albany.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I'm doing a lot of quote unquote

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<v Speaker 6>because you know, we can make fun of it, but

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<v Speaker 6>I always feel terrible for the victims. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 6>real crime to take people into a cult and then

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<v Speaker 6>abuse them as they did, you know, it really is,

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<v Speaker 6>and take advantage of their finances.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we definitely, we definitely respect the victims.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like to make fun of him because I

1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:29.519
<v Speaker 1>think he's like such a little joke. The most recent

1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:32.559
<v Speaker 1>episode was like so packed with misogyny, like he was

1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.640
<v Speaker 1>he was just like women, men will not let you

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<v Speaker 1>be better than them, Like we just won't let you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is I was about to like

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<v Speaker 1>throw something at my television.

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<v Speaker 6>Funnily enough, you rarely see women being the leaders of

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<v Speaker 6>cults because they know better. You know, it's always say

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<v Speaker 6>good as a complex who needs to either get women

1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.679
<v Speaker 6>or men or people or you know, but you rarely

1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:57.719
<v Speaker 6>see women who are leaders of cults.

1:15:57.760 --> 1:15:58.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean you have followers.

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<v Speaker 2>The men it seems like they just want to have

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<v Speaker 2>sex with their followers, that's right. I haven't heard of

1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:05.160
<v Speaker 2>a cult where there's not a lot of sex.

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<v Speaker 6>That's pretty much it. It's dudes who just can't and

1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:12.240
<v Speaker 6>who are like, how can I You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you know you've played this cult leader, You've

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<v Speaker 2>played a Nazi, you played.

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<v Speaker 3>Some other assholes.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think it is? What do you think

1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it is?

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think that is?

1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:24.439
<v Speaker 3>What is it about you?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it takes a certain skill to play an asshole,

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<v Speaker 6>for sure, you know, I think that, you know, assholes

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<v Speaker 6>are very complex characters.

1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:36.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I played also this thousand year old vampire who was Oh, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. You've been in a couple of vampire things.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so you know all these and I very often

1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:49.160
<v Speaker 6>played the bad guy. Maybe it has to do with

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<v Speaker 6>the voice, It has to do with the accent, of course,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, even though you know there are tons of

1:16:57.040 --> 1:17:01.960
<v Speaker 6>assholes who have an American accent. I think it just

1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:05.320
<v Speaker 6>has to do with the circumstance. I mean, lately, I've

1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:07.920
<v Speaker 6>been auditioning actually for a lot of kind.

1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.280
<v Speaker 4>Of characters and sort of oh more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll see what happens after side of Sebastian.

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<v Speaker 4>Another side of Sebastian.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we did a deep dive into your IMDb. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been on Law and Order a couple of times, but

1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:23.280
<v Speaker 1>this is your first SVU.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I've always I've always wanted to be in SVU.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I love Mariska.

1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Who doesn't Who doesn't.

1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:34.320
<v Speaker 4>Then when I was on set, I was like, you

1:17:34.560 --> 1:17:36.639
<v Speaker 4>are can I swear?

1:17:37.640 --> 1:17:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:41.960
<v Speaker 6>I was like, you are a fucking amazing And I

1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:44.880
<v Speaker 6>kept saying how amazing she was because she truly is

1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:45.840
<v Speaker 6>one of these.

1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:50.360
<v Speaker 4>She's the kind of woman I adore, you know, super.

1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:56.600
<v Speaker 6>Strong personality, funny, hard working, She's a boss, you know,

1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:58.360
<v Speaker 6>in the best sense of the word.

1:17:58.439 --> 1:18:00.439
<v Speaker 3>You know, And you got lucky because you got to

1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:01.519
<v Speaker 3>be an interrogation room.

1:18:01.760 --> 1:18:04.760
<v Speaker 4>I know. I was like, if I don't get my

1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:06.960
<v Speaker 4>interrogation with Mariska, I'm out of here.

1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:13.439
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't, but you know, contractually, I couldn't, but really

1:18:13.880 --> 1:18:17.320
<v Speaker 6>a wonderful woman, you know, who's spearheaded that show for

1:18:17.479 --> 1:18:18.280
<v Speaker 6>so many years.

1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:20.120
<v Speaker 2>It's so fun that you wanted to be on a

1:18:20.160 --> 1:18:22.320
<v Speaker 2>spe So were you a fan of the show or

1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.599
<v Speaker 2>just being in New York for so long you wanted it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's funny because s for you has you know, at first,

1:18:27.160 --> 1:18:29.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, I did Law and Order. That was the

1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:31.280
<v Speaker 6>show to be on, you know, it was my actually

1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:33.000
<v Speaker 6>my first TV gate.

1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:33.679
<v Speaker 4>Was Lawn Order.

1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:36.320
<v Speaker 6>Then my first game in the US TV gig in

1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:40.280
<v Speaker 6>the US TV because I'd done a movie before, a

1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:41.920
<v Speaker 6>couple of movies, so you.

1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:43.679
<v Speaker 4>Know, it was that. Then it switched.

1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:45.800
<v Speaker 6>Then s FU came along, right, s F You was

1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:50.000
<v Speaker 6>the second one, right, and I did two helpings of

1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.080
<v Speaker 6>Law and Order. I did one way back in ninety

1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:54.839
<v Speaker 6>three where I played this heavy metal.

1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Rock star C Square Man. He was such an asshole.

1:18:59.080 --> 1:19:03.760
<v Speaker 4>Man was a total asshole. And then I played this

1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:05.880
<v Speaker 4>guy who had a problem with his temper. And then

1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:07.280
<v Speaker 4>I always I always.

1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:09.000
<v Speaker 6>Wanted to be honest to you because you know, there

1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:12.679
<v Speaker 6>was criminal intent and everything and everyone. Then Stu became

1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:18.200
<v Speaker 6>a sort of you know, a writer passage for great actors.

1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:21.160
<v Speaker 4>As was Law and order prior and.

1:19:21.080 --> 1:19:23.200
<v Speaker 6>I always wanted to and I thought it's never going

1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:27.280
<v Speaker 6>to happen, and then literally the offer came in and

1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:28.719
<v Speaker 6>it was really wonderful.

1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I was.

1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:31.240
<v Speaker 6>I was really excited because you know, it's it's kind

1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:32.160
<v Speaker 6>of a badge of honor.

1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:33.240
<v Speaker 4>Now a lot of.

1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:36.840
<v Speaker 6>Stars do it, and I felt actually really flattered to

1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:38.240
<v Speaker 6>be brought on.

1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting because I wanted to ask you about

1:19:40.280 --> 1:19:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the audition process and Kara said, no, I was.

1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:49.599
<v Speaker 6>Very flattered, and you know, to get an offer, you know,

1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:54.800
<v Speaker 6>it was really really wonderful. They treated me wonderfully, They

1:19:54.800 --> 1:19:57.440
<v Speaker 6>were really great. It was a really wonderful experience.

1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:00.479
<v Speaker 2>And while stalking a little bit, we saw you did

1:20:00.840 --> 1:20:03.960
<v Speaker 2>like over three hundred episodes of General.

1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Yes, wow, yeah, Yeah.

1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:07.320
<v Speaker 2>What's it like working on a set for that long

1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:08.559
<v Speaker 2>doing so much of anything?

1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:10.559
<v Speaker 4>That was? That was really great?

1:20:10.880 --> 1:20:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Actually does that shoot in New York?

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:14.720
<v Speaker 4>No? Shoots in La? Oh?

1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It shoots in La Okay?

1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:17.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Because I was in New York at the time,

1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:19.320
<v Speaker 4>and my agent says.

1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:22.520
<v Speaker 6>Oh, they're offering, they'd like to offer you sixty episodes

1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:25.919
<v Speaker 6>or something like that on on gh On General Hospital.

1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:28.439
<v Speaker 6>And I thought to myself, I don't know if I

1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:33.520
<v Speaker 6>want to do that right now, and eventually I accepted,

1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.519
<v Speaker 6>and I it was one of the best decisions I

1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.559
<v Speaker 6>made in my life. First of all, it changed my

1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:41.439
<v Speaker 6>I was living in New York, I was going through

1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:45.160
<v Speaker 6>a hard time, you know, you know, things happened, going

1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.840
<v Speaker 6>through a divorce and going through you know, a difficult time.

1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:51.800
<v Speaker 6>And it sort of brought me to LA and they

1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:53.880
<v Speaker 6>treated me like I was Lawrence Oliviu, you know, the

1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:58.880
<v Speaker 6>great exactly. And I they let me do pretty much

1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:01.800
<v Speaker 6>whatever I wanted as an act, and it's sort of rekindled.

1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:04.640
<v Speaker 6>I was at a point where, you know, sometimes you

1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:06.880
<v Speaker 6>feel that your work is not giving you.

1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:10.280
<v Speaker 4>Much back. You're you're sort of stuck.

1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:16.639
<v Speaker 6>And I started basically improvising and finding rebooting my acting

1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:21.400
<v Speaker 6>in that show and everyone, I mean, they couldn't.

1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:21.639
<v Speaker 4>Have been niceer.

1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:26.240
<v Speaker 6>The whole cast was so welcoming and I had a

1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:28.519
<v Speaker 6>ball for two years. I was contracted for two years,

1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:32.160
<v Speaker 6>and then I came back pretty much every year till

1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:35.920
<v Speaker 6>two thousand, twenty fifteen for you know, little sprinkles of Baddy.

1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:39.920
<v Speaker 6>And I was an uber bad guy, but who was

1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.519
<v Speaker 6>like mister Who's like James bond On crack.

1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:45.320
<v Speaker 4>I call it, you know, basically on met now.

1:21:46.920 --> 1:21:51.600
<v Speaker 6>To update it to nowadays, and it was it was

1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:52.120
<v Speaker 6>a lot of fun.

1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:55.080
<v Speaker 4>And doing so many episodes, you know, was was fun.

1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:58.360
<v Speaker 4>You're always working, you're you know, people say it's difficult.

1:21:58.400 --> 1:21:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't agree.

1:21:59.880 --> 1:22:03.040
<v Speaker 6>You know, you have twenty thirty pages of dialogue, but

1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:05.320
<v Speaker 6>your brain gets used to it.

1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:06.800
<v Speaker 3>But I can't imagine you.

1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:10.720
<v Speaker 6>Start working really fast. Your brain, it gets accustomed to it.

1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:14.559
<v Speaker 6>You know, it's it's I loved every second.

1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:14.920
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:17.439
<v Speaker 6>Some people say you shouldn't do soaps, and I would

1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.479
<v Speaker 6>advise anyone to do it.

1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:23.080
<v Speaker 3>You've got you've know, you told us so much. This

1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:25.479
<v Speaker 3>has been amazing. We really thank you for.

1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Your time and my pleasure. I am not I am

1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:31.040
<v Speaker 1>actually a person that does not like to see people

1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.120
<v Speaker 1>come back to SVU as different characters because it takes

1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:34.640
<v Speaker 1>me out of it.

1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:35.719
<v Speaker 3>But I will say I'd love.

1:22:35.640 --> 1:22:37.880
<v Speaker 1>To see you back on in a few years, in

1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>a few years so that I forget about Arlow and

1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that you're you're new. It could be a new person.

1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I'd loved it.

1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:47.360
<v Speaker 6>I'd love to come back. Maybe I could come back

1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:49.560
<v Speaker 6>like yeah Russia.

1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's always Russian crimes on

1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that show. There's like brighton beach stuff. There's all kinds

1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Yeah, all right, well, hopefully the casting people

1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:00.639
<v Speaker 1>are listening to this and.

1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:03.720
<v Speaker 3>They can touch on you. Sebastia, thank you so much

1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:04.599
<v Speaker 3>for talking to us.

1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. It was a pleasure, all right.

1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:13.880
<v Speaker 1>That was the thrilling. I mean, we talked to a

1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:17.120
<v Speaker 1>cool cult leader. You guys didn't get to see him.

1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:19.599
<v Speaker 1>We saw his face over zoom, and he's a he's

1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.679
<v Speaker 1>as handsome as he is as a cult leader, honest

1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:25.920
<v Speaker 1>for you. So what are we what's our post mortem

1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:29.679
<v Speaker 1>on this episode about? Don't join a cult? Don't join

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<v Speaker 1>a cult, you guys, even if you feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>in part of some organization that's really helping you come

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<v Speaker 1>up with realize some things about yourself. Like that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>You can walk away when the director wants to put

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<v Speaker 1>his penis inside of you, or they want to brand you,

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<v Speaker 1>or when.

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<v Speaker 3>They want the deed dear house. Yeah, when they want money.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to therapy. I feel collateral. If they want collateral nude,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to see yourself out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to therapy, you know, join a kickboxing class, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's just better ways to self improve.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and location.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you have to leave the CLT, don't be

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<v Speaker 1>that scared about your nudes getting out.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's got nudes. It's like, don't worry. So it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not married to the dad of your baby

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<v Speaker 2>like that wash. Wait, remember he was shaming rollins of

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<v Speaker 2>like that baby and your belly. You don't know the daddy,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, all right, stop, she knows the daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Brolin's two kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one is the daughter of a international like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of spy man who's part of the government. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the second one is a surgeon. We don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he turned out to be he was a cheater. Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, if you have a baby and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want the data in their life, that's fine. Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>get money if you can't, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And if a bunch of ladies are approaching you wearing

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<v Speaker 1>peasant tops and offering you cucumber water, you need to run.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I learned this a lot in Russian television

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Do not go to jail for a man, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>do not ever say that you committed a crime you

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<v Speaker 2>did not commit that a man committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is that. Do not go to Joe for

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<v Speaker 1>a man. It's gonna be on T shirts. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make it, I swear, like when Benson is just like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about the last ten years, think about the

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<v Speaker 1>next twenty. You're gonna rot in jail for this psychopath.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and don't get don't charter planes for your ex.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask somebody a private jet. If you're trying to get out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure your private jet is always gassed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, like.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if your x don't help your ex husband

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<v Speaker 2>escape the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, she was so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That was dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was definitely definitely a hot episode. All jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're like a bus boy and the hottest woman

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<v Speaker 2>on earth is trying to fuck you at a bar,

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<v Speaker 2>she might be trying to plant blood on your path.

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<v Speaker 3>Oopsie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and watch out men, if you're listening, watch out

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<v Speaker 1>for ladies that have brands on them because something went wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, all jokes aside. I mean, the nexium thing

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<v Speaker 1>is like very tragic. If you I recommend watching the

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<v Speaker 1>Vow it is people will say it's long. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of episodes. I enjoyed all the episodes. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was. It was a really deep dive. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit drawn out, but you know that's their

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaking style. There's also, I believe, a CBC podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>the vow. There's a lot of ways you can get

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<v Speaker 1>more information. I would never tell you that my twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minute recap is the end all be all of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nexium situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I also don't remember the name, but there is a

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<v Speaker 2>Hulu show that or I don't know. I Hulu originally

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<v Speaker 2>made it, but it's on Hulu and there's one episode

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<v Speaker 2>about Nexium.

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<v Speaker 3>But then it's all these different cults, like okay, what's

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<v Speaker 3>that called again?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but there I'm sure if you put something,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's some Mormon stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a brotherhood and they take it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, if you're just into cults, that's yea thing

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<v Speaker 1>to check how I'll look into. Okay, now it is

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<v Speaker 1>time for WWSPD What would Sister Peg Do? Where we

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<v Speaker 1>point you guys to a resource that connects to today's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we want to get your attention on Rain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our ai n end two ends. Rain dot org

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<v Speaker 1>is the website. RAIN is the nation's largest anti sexual

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<v Speaker 1>violence organization. They do amazing work and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>members of these cults have definitely been taken advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>and sexually abused. And if you in or out of

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<v Speaker 1>a cult, have had an experience with this and are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for any resources, RAIN is the place to go

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<v Speaker 1>to or if you are looking to donate to help

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<v Speaker 1>victims of sexual assault. We highly recommend RAIN and we

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<v Speaker 1>will probably be talking about it again in future Sister

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<v Speaker 1>Peg segments. So that is RAIN our ai n N

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<v Speaker 2>This actually was a big issue for me when I

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, you mean one star was like the best you

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