1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center Ted Cruz, the week 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: in Review, Ben Ferguson with you, and here are some 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: of the big stories that you may have missed that 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: we talked about this week. First up, a major victory 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump by immigration judge that has now said 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: yes he can deport foreign students who come to America 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: and advocate violence against Jews. And up next, Harvard has 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: been receiving billions of dollars from US the taxpayers. Well, 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is now saying we're cutting off a 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: lot of that money. I'll give you the details why 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: as well. And finally, the EPA administrator Lee Zelden joined 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: us to talk about the California wildfire cleanup that Trump 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: inherited and how the Trump administration was able to get 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: it done quickly. It's the weekend review and it starts 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: right now. I want to move to this other big 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: issue also that we mentioned earlier, and it was a 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: massive victory for the Trump administration when it came to 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: an immigration judge doing a major ruling on deporting students 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: that are advocating for the death and destruction of students 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: on campus that by the way, are Jewish, are advocating 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: their support for terrorists organizations. And this all comes out 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: of Columbia University, where it has become a major point 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: of all, right, who's going to win this? Is the 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: Trump administration going to win this or are the radicals 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: on the left going to win? And it was a 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: big win for Donald Trump this week. 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: Well it was a win. I don't know that it 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: was a massive victory because it's clearly right under the law. 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: So it was a win that was going to happen, 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: but I'm glad it did. And so listen, one of 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: the things that President Trump is doing that is exactly 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: right is the Trump administration is deporting those who engage 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: in anti Israel, anti American protests who are foreign students, 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: who are on student visas, who are non American citizens. 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: You don't have an entitlement to be here. And look, 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: we talked about during the Biden administration when these viciously 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: how Israel anti Semitic protests were going on, that the 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: Biden administration could do something about it, but they didn't 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: want to because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Chuck Schumer, 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: they agree with the pro Hamas protesters, they agree with 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: the radicals, and so you didn't see the Department of 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Justice investigating them. You didn't see them following the money. 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: You didn't see them trying to do anything really to 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: protect the Jewish students on campus who were being targeted 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: for harassment and threats of violence. Well, you and I, 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: in fact, one of the very first pods we did 47 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: in the new administration, as we interviewed Pam Bondy at 48 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: SEAPAC and in that podcast with with then Attorney General 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: Bondi right after she got confirmed, she made clear then 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: they're gonna go after these radicals. And I will say 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: immigration law gives considerable, considerable flexibility to the administration to 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: decide who who that is here on a permissive visa 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: can be sent home. And so in this case, you 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: had Mahmoud Khalil, who was a Columbia anti Israel protester, 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: who who the administration is in the process of deporting, 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: and and he is challenging that in court and an 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: immigration judge ruled that he can be deported due to 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: his involvement in last year's pro Haamas protests at Columbia. 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: And this is a judge, Judge Jamie Corman's comans rather 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: uh and and he said said the government had met 61 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: its its burden of proof. I think that's that's clearly right. 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: And and the Department of Homeland Security laid out how 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: Khalil misrepresented himself on his green card application, and in particular, 64 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: he was not upfront about his involvement with organizations he's 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: involved with. He he willfully failed to disclose his employment 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: with the Syrian office in the British Embassy in Beirut 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: when he applied for permanent US residency uh And what 68 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: what what the federal government argued is that made him 69 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: inadmissible at the time he was given his green card 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: because of quote fraud or wilful misrepresentation of material fact. 71 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: He also failed to disclose his work for UNRA uh 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: And And you know UNRA we've talked about before, is 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: the UN agency that that has literally been in bed 74 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: with AMAS. You had multiple A Moss terrorists working at 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: on Rah. UNRA has given significant material aid hamas terrorists. 76 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: And and the court ruled that that look that that 77 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: is is ample grounds to deport Uh, to deport him. 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: I think that ruling is is clearly right. And if 79 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: you looked at at at Khalil. You looked at his writings. 80 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: This is someone who is viciously anti Israel and anti America. 81 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: And in fact he's using the deportation to just rail 82 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: against America and what a hostile environment it is. And 83 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: in fact Khalil's argument, here's something he wrote. He wrote 84 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: an op ed in Columbia, you know, attacking how dare 85 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: you to port me? And he says something. He accuses 86 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: the Columbia administrators of manufacturing quote public hysteria about anti 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: Semitism without once mentioning the tens of thousands of Palestinians 88 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: murdered under bombs made of your dollars. So understand, this 89 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: guy's complaint is that the Columbia administrators stood too strongly 90 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: against anti Semitism. They let their entire campus get taken over, 91 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: that they let Jewish students be terrorized, they let campus 92 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: buildings be taken over. They were weak and and effective, 93 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: which is why the president of Columbia had to step down. 94 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: And yet this guy's claim is Nope, no, they were 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: too strong and against anti Semitism. They should have been 96 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: effectively marching alongside me in favor of Hamas. This ruling 97 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: is clearly right I'm glad it came down. There are 98 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: going to be more rulings like this. If you are. 99 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: Here, this will have precedent, right like this is. 100 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Going to be no no. This is a ruling of 101 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: an immigration judge in this case. So it doesn't resolve 102 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: the issue across the country, but the immigration law is 103 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: quite clear that that. Look, Khalil's case was harder because 104 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: he was a legal permanent resident. He has a green card, 105 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: and legal permanent residents have greater legal protections than just 106 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: somebody under student visa. Somebody under a student visa, they 107 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: can have their visa revoked and sent back. It is 108 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: not a high threshold to do that. To revoke a 109 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: green card is a higher threshold. And so the ruling 110 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: here is well that the Department Homeland Security gave evidence 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: that he had lied when getting his green card and 112 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: that was basis for deportation. And so that I think 113 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: that's the right ruling here. It's a good ruling, and 114 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see Listen, let me say to 115 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: any anti American radicals who've come in on student visas, 116 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: you are not welcome in America. And if you are 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: going to use our hospitality to attack and threaten and 118 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: harass fellow students. If you're going to use our hospitality 119 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: to attack America, get the hell out and and we're 120 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: going to help you get the hell out. And that 121 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: is one of the best things that Trump administration is 122 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: doing right now. 123 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 124 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 125 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, which 126 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: brings us to Harvard, and Trump has said we are 127 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: freezing the funding going to Harvard. They have slashed over 128 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: two point two billion in funding to Harvard after the 129 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: school is defied federal law, and the White House says, 130 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: we're not playing around. A lot of Americans, by the way, 131 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: may not realize that two point two in fact, a 132 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: lot more than that is going to Harvard of your 133 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: tax dollurs. 134 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Harvard gets roughly nine billion dollars in federal taxpayer dollars, 135 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: so it gets an enormous amount. Now, it's a huge 136 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: research institution, and it does some good research. It does 137 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: medical research and scientific research, and some of that researches 138 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: is valuable. But what the Trump administration is announced the 139 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: Joint Task Force on combating anti semitism. Has announced that 140 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: it's freezing over two billion dollars in multi year grants 141 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: and contracts to Harvard. And that was following the school's 142 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: president putting out a statement saying it would not comply 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: with the Trump administration's demands on anti semitism. And I 144 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: got to say, this is a battle that that Harvard 145 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: and a lot of academic institutions are putting out statements 146 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: in support of Harvard. So brave, so brave. And I 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: will say most other institutions, when the Trump administration has 148 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: threatened their funding, they've caved, and they've caved very quickly. 149 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: But but the other institutions are happy to applaud Harvard 150 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: and say, yes, yes, yes, lose your funds. You're you're 151 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: so brave. 152 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 153 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: And And what is striking is that Democrats, Barack Obama, 154 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: the Democrat governor Massachusetts, are all lining up behind Harvard. 155 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: And and and there is a reason when you look 156 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: at the core basis of the Democrat Party. 157 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: Uh. 158 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: You know, there was a time in a prior generation 159 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: when the Democrat Party was considered a blue collar party, 160 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: and in the age of FDR, it was a party 161 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: of union members and working class uh and and and 162 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: In fact, one of the reasons that that FDR was 163 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: was treated with contempt is because he was a very 164 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: wealthy person, as many Democrats are. But but he was 165 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: considered a quote traitor to his class because he was 166 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: a rich man who became a historic Democrat leader. Well, 167 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: that Democrat Party doesn't exist anymore. The Democrat Party no 168 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: longer cares about the blue collar and in fact, they 169 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: routinely to de stroy blue collar jobs. Today's Democrat Party 170 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: is a party of coastal elites and and it is 171 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: a party that is comprised of big universities and and 172 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: and big business and big Tech and big Hollywood, all 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: of whom have overlapping problems. All of them are are 174 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: in bed with China and and and all of them 175 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: have been taken over by by radical leftism, by cultural Marxism. 176 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: As you know. The most recent book I wrote is 177 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: entitled Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, And 178 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: each chapter breaks down a different major institution that's been 179 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: captured by the radical left. The first chapter is entitled 180 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: Universities the wuhan Lab of the Woke virus, and and 181 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: and what I argue is that it is universities and 182 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: sadly my alma mater, Harvard, where the woke virus was 183 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: first created in a lab, and then it mutated and spread, 184 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: and it spread throughout just about every other major institution 185 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: in this country. And so Harvard has been the locusts 186 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: of much of the radical leftism and cultural Marxism that 187 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: has done enormous damage to our institutions. And Harvard is 188 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: digging in, and they're claiming that they're digging in in 189 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 2: defense of free speech. But what they're really digging in 190 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: on is they don't want to change their policies Number one, 191 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: that discriminate on race. They love discriminating on race, they 192 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: love dei that they love putting race front and center, 193 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: which by the way, is directly contrary to federal civil 194 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: rights law. And they also want to continue admitting radical 195 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: anti Semites. They want to continue looking the other way 196 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: at Prohamas protesters who threaten Jewish students, who threaten violence, 197 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: who threaten intimidation, who call for genocide, And they want 198 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: to continue admitting and promoting anti American radicals. And that 199 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: includes both students and faculty. And so when the administration 200 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: put a series of demands in place that Harvard said, No. 201 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, Harvard thinks they want this fight. 202 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: In my opinion, the Trump administration is eager for this 203 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: fight with Harvard, and you could not ask Harvard has 204 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: an endowment of over fifty billion dollars. And you know, 205 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: one of my favorite responses to that, to Harvard's supposed 206 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: stance on principle where they talked about standing for the 207 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 2: First Amendment is Hillsdale College, which is a great college. 208 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: It is a conservative college, a free market college. But 209 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: one of the things they do is they don't take 210 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: federal money. And Hillsdale actually twigted, well, you can say 211 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: anything you like, just don't take federal money. And oddly enough, 212 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: Harvard doesn't want to do that. They want the taxpayers 213 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: to fund them, but they want to continue to be 214 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: embracing racism and vitriolic anti American sentiment while at the 215 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: same time being funded by American taxpayers. 216 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: So when you look at this fight, I do think 217 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: the very interesting parts of all of this that we're 218 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: talking about is now Americans are really waking up and 219 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: realizing like where their money has been going, how much 220 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: of it is going, And you're right. There's some of 221 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: this as research, and that's the thing we can be 222 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: proud of, and that's a good thing. But a lot 223 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: of this is going to indoctrinating kids with radical leftist ideals. 224 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why I think they 225 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: need this money, right, They want the money for that reason. 226 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: They've been doing a great job of doing that for 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: the last several decades. So if the money does dry 228 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: up at places like Harvard and then we start to 229 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: see more questions being asked about other money, not only 230 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: could this change universities in a positive way, I think 231 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: for free speech and not having one set of views 232 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: that are indoctrinated, but it could also say the taxpayers 233 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of money because it's not 234 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: just Harvard that's getting cash. 235 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but Harvard is the perfect test subject. And 236 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: our universities right now have become indoctrination labs. They've become 237 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: places that enforce rigid orthodox and if you say something 238 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: that is contrary to the radical leftist view, you risk 239 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: being disciplined, you risk being having your grades, and you 240 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: also risk just not being admitted. And look, some of 241 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: the question comes down to a very simple what is 242 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: it that the administration was requesting. Because if the administration 243 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: was demanding, Harvard must teach in every class that Donald 244 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: Trump is the greatest president who have ever lived. I 245 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: would agree with Harvard that no university could give in 246 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: to a government demand about a specific position like that, 247 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: particularly if it's one they disagree with. But that's not 248 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: what the Trump administration said. And I have in front 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: of me the letter that the Trump administration said. It's 250 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: five pages. I'm not going to read it all, but 251 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to read some of the portions of it. 252 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: So it is addressed both to Alan Garber, who is 253 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: the president of Harvard University, and Penny Prisker, who is 254 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: the lead member of the Harvard Corporation. Penny Pritzker, by 255 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: the way, was a cabinet member under Barack Obama. And 256 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: the Harvard Corporation runs all of Harvard. And it's this 257 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: privately held corporation of all Democrats that run Harvard as 258 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: this left wing bastion. Here's how the letter begins, Dear 259 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: doctor Garber, the United States has invested in Harvard University's 260 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: operation because of the value to the country of scholarly 261 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: discovery and academic excellence. But an investment is not an entitlement. 262 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: It depends on Harvard upholding federal civil rights law, and 263 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: it only makes sense if Harvard fosters the kind of 264 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: environment that produces intellectual creativity and scholarly rigor, both of 265 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: which are antithetical to ideological capture. Harvard has in recent 266 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: years failed to live up to both the intellectual and 267 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,479 Speaker 2: civil rights conditions that justify federal investment, but we appreciate 268 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: your expression of commitment to repairing those failures and welcome 269 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: your collaboration in restoring the university to its promise. We 270 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: therefore present the below provisions as the basis for an 271 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: agreement in principle that will maintain Harvard's financial relationship with 272 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: the government. Here's the first governance and leadership reforms. By 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: August twenty twenty five, Harvard must make meaningful governance reform 274 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: and restructuring to make possible major change consistent with this letter, 275 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: including fostering clear lines of authority and accountability. Apparently that 276 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: was objectionable, empowering tenured professors and senior leadership, and from 277 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: among the tenured professorate and senior leadership, exclusively those most 278 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: devoted to the scholarly mission of the university and committed 279 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: to the changes indicated in this letter. Reducing the power 280 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: held by students and untenured faculty, reducing the power held 281 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: by faculty, whether tenured or untenured, at administrators more committed 282 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: to activism than scholarship. Now, again, this is something Harvard 283 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: found unacceptable. We're not willing to focus on scholarship instead 284 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: of activism. Note that's a violation of what we want 285 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: to do. And reducing forms of governance bloat, duplication, or 286 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: decentralization that interfere with the possibility the reforms indicating this letter. 287 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: So that's the first one. Apparently something was objectionable about that. 288 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: What's the next one? Merit based hiring reform. By August 289 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the university must adopt and implement merit 290 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: based hiring policies and ceased all preferences based on race, color, religion, sex, 291 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: or national origin throughout its hiring, promotion, compensation, and related 292 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: practices among faculty, staff, and leadership. Now, mind you, that 293 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: is existing federal civil rights law. You cannot discriminate against 294 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: based on race, and yet for Harvard that is is outrageous. 295 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: Of course, they want to discriminate based on race. It's 296 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: an ideological commitment. What's the next one? Merit based admissions reform? 297 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: By August twenty twenty five, the university must adopt and 298 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: implement merit based admission policies and ceased all preferences based 299 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 2: on race, color, national origin, or proxies thereof, throughout its 300 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: undergraduate program, each graduate program, individual, each of its professional schools, 301 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: and other programs. Again, the idea of actually admitting students 302 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: based on merit rather than discriminating based on race, which 303 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: minds you? Discriminating based on race as illegal under federal 304 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: civil rights law. To Harvard is anathema. What's the next one? 305 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 2: International admissions reform? By August twenty twenty five, the university 306 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: must reform its recruitment, screening, and admission of international students 307 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: to prevent admitting students hostile to the American values and 308 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: institutions inscribed in the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence, 309 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: including students supportive of terrorism or anti Semitism. Again, apparently, 310 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: that is outrageous and unacceptable. The next one viewpoint, diversity 311 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: and admission and hiring. By August twenty twenty five, the 312 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: university shall commission an external party which will satisfy the 313 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: federal government as to its competence and good faith to 314 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: audit the student body, faculty, staff, and leadership for viewpoint diversity, 315 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: such that each department, field, or teaching unit must be 316 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: individually viewpoint diverse. Now, notably, they're not saying higher conservatives. 317 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: They're not saying higher Trump supporters. They're saying, you cannot 318 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: have a faculty that is universally orthodox and indoctrinating that 319 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: all have the same view that. 320 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: You know, the. 321 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: Left loves to prattle on about diversity as our strength, 322 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: and by diversity they mean we must all be leftist 323 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: to believe the same thing, but saith though with different 324 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: skin colors. Now, I actually think diversity means having different ideas, 325 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: confronting ideas you disagree with. Look I go through these 326 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: to give an example. I think each of those demands 327 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: are very reasonable. They're saying, comply with federal law. Be 328 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: an institution that actually does what you say, what you 329 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: claim to be doing. And yet Harvard is outraged. How 330 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: dare you hold us to the terms of federal law. 331 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: We cannot comply with. 332 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: That as before, If you want to hear the rest 333 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: of this conversation on this topic. You can go back 334 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: and now the podcast from earlier this week to hear 335 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: the entire thing. I want to get back to the 336 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: big story number three of the week. You may have missed. 337 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: You told a story earlier today about the EPA's involvement 338 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: in cleaning up the California wildfires, and it's a good 339 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: example of how it impacts people's lives. Like you wouldn't 340 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: necessarily think the EPA is involved in dealing with wildfires, 341 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: but you guys are deeply involved. 342 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: As soon as the wildfires hit Los Angeles, over thirteen 343 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: thousand properties destroyed, President Trump comes into office. He inherits 344 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 4: it happened a few days before he got there. He 345 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: signs an executive order. He says, EPA, you have thirty 346 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: days to do your entire Phase one hazardous material removal 347 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: before Phase two starts, which is the Army Corps of 348 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 4: Engineers doing their debris removal. 349 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: And like with the wildfires, you have people's homes that 350 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: burn to the ground. There's a lot of toxic sludge. 351 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a mess. It's dangerous. Like fires produce 352 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 2: bad stuff, and you guys had to figure out how 353 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: to clean it up, but do it in thirty days? 354 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 355 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: First the response was that's impossible. This is going to 356 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: take you until the summer at best. It's going to 357 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 4: take a few months for sure. The lithium ion batteries 358 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: were all over this particular area. We got it done 359 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 4: in less than thirty days after ramping up to fifteen 360 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: hundred workers. Proud of the effort from EPA. We do 361 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 4: a lot like this that the American public might not 362 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: know about. And that's why in just a couple of days, 363 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 4: we're heading to the Tijuana area in southern California, where 364 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: a lot of Mexican raw sewage is entering for decades. 365 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: We need to end it. 366 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Number one about you guys dealing with water issues and 367 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: Tijuana and I also and there's another one that a 368 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of Americans will remember, and that was the trained derailment, 369 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: and it seemed like the government was picking winners and 370 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: losers with that cleanup or lack thereof. You guys have 371 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: also gotten involved with that because what you did in 372 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: the wildfires in California is incredible. That's what every American 373 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: should get, no matter where they live, and politics shouldn't 374 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: come into it. 375 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 4: This is something that really showed then Junior Senator JD 376 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 4: Vance as someone who understands leadership in a time of crisis, 377 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 4: when disaster strikes, your instinct as a leader should be 378 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: to show up at that site and to be the 379 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: voice of the people. And what was wild was JD 380 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: was like the only one there. I think that might 381 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 4: be Congressman Bill Johnson's district. 382 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, Donald Trump came to. 383 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well and it was j and JD. 384 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: Not Joe Biden, not Pete boudhage Edge, but Donald Trump came. 385 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: That's right. 386 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 4: And I remember the conversations where JD was engaging with 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 4: President Trump to make sure that President Trump was there. 388 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: And this was all in the initial days and weeks 389 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 4: after disaster struck. Yes, and a lot of people were wondering, well, 390 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: where is this person, where is that person, Where is 391 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: this agency, where's that agency? It should be This is 392 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 4: the ultimate gut check and an instinct check of just 393 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: when it's amazing. 394 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: Because Biden and the Democrats they really like Palestinians, you 395 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: would think they would have gone, oh my. 396 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: Gosh, you know, all right. 397 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: For the record, Lezelden is officially speechless. He doesn't know 398 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: what to do with that smart ass comment. 399 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: I'll tell you it was a it was such a 400 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: missed opportunity to lead and that EPA. Over the course 401 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 4: of time, they ended up being two hundred and twenty thousand. 402 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 2: Uh. 403 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 4: We saw a two hundred and twenty thousand tons of 404 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: contaminated soil removed, We saw tens of millions of gallons 405 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 4: of water removed. They ended up becoming a massive EPA 406 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: effort that actually is still ongoing and in a way 407 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: for the environmental and human impacts. There's gonna be testing 408 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: going on for a long time to come. And I 409 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: would encourage anyone who's out there listening, who is in 410 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: that community, in the in the area, that that maybe 411 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: you used to go to East Palestine, but now you 412 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 4: take a detour, you go somewhere else. We all need 413 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: to do our part to help bring East Palastine, Ohio back, 414 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 4: and very important to the Vice President, but unfortunately too 415 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 4: many of these cases have shown that lack of leadership. 416 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: Well and tell us what you're doing in Tijuana, because 417 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 2: it's an amazing here. 418 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 4: You have an issue where for decades Mexican ros sew 419 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: which has been coming across the border. It's been poured 420 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: into the Tijuana River. It ends up contaminating water and air. 421 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 4: We have Navy seals getting sick. They have to do 422 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 4: training somewhere else. So we have decided enough is enough. 423 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: We're going to Tijuana in the coming days. I can't 424 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: wait to get there. We're gonna be on the US 425 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: side of that border. We have a whole plan of action. 426 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: I'm just warning you when you're in the cabinet, what 427 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: happens in Tijuana does not stay in Tijuana. 428 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, great advice. 429 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: And especially if you drink the water, you'll be bringing 430 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: that back to you, back with you to DC. So listen, 431 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: it's something that we're going to step up on and 432 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: tackle and we're proud of that. EPA wants to assist. 433 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: And these are Americans that we see over there California. 434 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: Do they vote red or blue? All your listeners know 435 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: the answer to that one doesn't matter. 436 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: But look, you're you're you're cleaning that crap up literally. 437 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: I mean that that is valuable. That's what we want 438 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: the EPA to be doing. That's important. Let me let 439 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: me ask you so, so you and I are in 440 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: in Midland, Texas. We spent the day We started by 441 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: going to a rig that was drilling an oil well. 442 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: We then had a roundtable. And actually, when you were 443 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: being confirmed and you came by my office, you and 444 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: I have been good friends for over a decade, but 445 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: when you were being confirmed, I said, I want to 446 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: ask you to commit to come the Midland Texas and 447 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: sit down with with oil and gas leaders, with entrepreneurs, 448 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: with people that are producing energy and hear from them. 449 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: And it's amazing. You're the first EPA administrator in history 450 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: to come the middle of Odessa, which is astonishing. It's 451 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: like saying an ag secretary never been to Iowa. It's 452 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: like saying a secretary of State had never been to 453 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 2: the United Kingdom or never been to Israel. Like like 454 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: your job, every EPA administrator should be in the Permian base. 455 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: And given the importance of it, and and and the involvement. 456 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: Of the e p A. 457 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: So so tell us about you met with wildcatters and 458 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: business leaders, a lot of people that are good friends 459 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: of mine. Give us your impression of of of the 460 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: folks you met, and and and what you learned on 461 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: this trip? 462 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: Was it valuable salt of the earth? Job creators? 463 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 4: You could just imagine how much sweat equity was around 464 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: that table of people who have poured their lives, their heart, blood, tears, 465 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 4: creating jobs, providing energy to Texans and beyond. 466 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: And these people need us to. 467 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: Be thanking them, to be to be praising them for 468 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 4: their good work, to be supporting them as opposed to 469 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: using our power to try to make it more difficult 470 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 4: for them. 471 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: We shouldn't be trying to so by them. 472 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: By the way, these guys are all close friends and 473 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: buddies of mine. I have had great joy in recent 474 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: weeks and months asking them how much they're like Billy 475 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: Bob Thornton. Have they ever been tied up and had 476 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: a mask over their head? Have they been covered in 477 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: gasoline by cartels? Our host Bill Holmes, great great, great friend, Landman, 478 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: very successful businessman. I asked him so. By the way, 479 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: if you haven't watched Landman, you should. It's the best 480 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: show on television. I did play for President Trump in 481 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: the Oval Office last week. The segment from Landman where 482 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: Billy Bob Thornton talks to the left wing environmental lawyer 483 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 2: about windmills. It's the best three minutes on television of 484 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: our lifetime. And I will say at least the landman 485 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: I know in Midland tell me that that they murder 486 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: fewer people than they do in the show. It's still 487 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: a great show. 488 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 4: And for Billy Bob, if you're out there listening, that 489 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: was some that was a free sponsorship from Senator Ted Cruz. 490 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 4: So you're lucky that you have that fan playing it 491 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 4: for President Trump in the Oval, bringing a great a 492 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 4: great show to the people, and listen, we need to 493 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 4: get smart with energy policy. There are people promoting win 494 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: as an intermittent sources if that's a substitute for base 495 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 4: load power. 496 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: For all of you out there listening. 497 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 4: Let's let's get smart, educate, advocate the people who are 498 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 4: around all the policy. 499 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center 500 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to down 501 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: with my podcast and you can listen to my podcasts 502 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 503 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 504 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson 505 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: podcasts and we will see you back here on Monday morning.