1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to America now, Mr garbutsch Off, tear down this wall. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Either you're with us or you were with the terrorists. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: If you got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with Trump is not the president of 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: the United States, take it to the bank. Together, we 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: will make America great again. You'll never sharender. It's what 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with America 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: now joined the conversation called Buck toll free at eight 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton. 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: We've learned a lot over the last twenty four hours, 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: not I think what many would have assumed we would 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: learn over the course of about a day. But we've 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: seen that media will run with stories are completely false, 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: that they will rely on unnamed sources, when naming sources 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: would seem to be completely legitimate and in fact, a 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: much better practice than giving anonymity to everybody giving them information. 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: They'll run with stories that are favorable to a political 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: narrative that they like, that they've been pushing in the past, 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: and then they will whimper out the corrections later on 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: when no one's paying attention and it just doesn't matter. Um. 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: We've also learned that the Comy firing was not nearly 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: as momentous as they said it was. And we've seen 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: that the Democrats, and this is my ultimate takeaway from 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: all this Russia Trump collusion stuff. The Democrats are rooting 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: for national failure. They are rooting for a major political schism, 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: for a catastrophe on in the political realm. Bucks ext 28 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: in here with you all now, of course, ate four 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: to five. If you want to call in on the lines, 30 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: let me talk to you a bit about what I 31 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: mean here, because I know that most of the people 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: that I've been reading today and I've tried to stay 33 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: out of the fray. Usually I like to roll up 34 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: my sleeves and get into it. But I've been watching 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: this all play out because there's such a focus on 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: individual accusations, and I'll go over them. Right. Uh. Comey 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: asked for resources before he was fired. No, that's not true. 38 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: The acting or the the deputy attorney general who was 39 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: just recently confirmed, rosen Steen, he said he would quit 40 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: if Trump didn't stop talking about the letter. And know 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: that that that's not true. Uh, the initial implication and 42 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: from the White House that Trump fired him because of 43 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: that letter, and it wasn't because he was just gonna 44 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: fire Well, oh no, that's not true. So yeah, of course, 45 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: part of my job here, part of my my special 46 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: and sacred duty to all of you who do me 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: the honor and the privilege of hanging out with me 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: here in the Freedom Hunt, is to make sure that 49 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: not only we have a worthwhile conversation and an analysis 50 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: of everything going on, but that you I bring you 51 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: all the stuff that happened today that matters in one 52 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: way or another to us. So I'll do that, But 53 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I just want to go back to this point about 54 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Democrats rooting for national failure here, because this is not 55 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: what the focus is on right now. There's so much 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: on the tribal nature of our politics. Now. Oh we're 57 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: so divided, and people will say things without a trace 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: of without a trace of irony, or or any historical perspective. Apparently, 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, they'll say, we've never been more divided as 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: a country. Well, there was a civil war and we've 61 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: been more divided as a country. But the the hyperbole 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: yesterday was almost a necessity for some because if they 63 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: want to get attention if they want to be thought 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: of as a thought leader in the midst of this 65 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: quote constitutional crisis that is not in the least an 66 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: actual constitutional crisis. But you've got to come up with 67 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the most interesting, bombastic, over the top, inflammatory way of 68 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: saying that the Comey firing is the death of democracy. 69 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, democracy dies in democracy dies in darkness slash 70 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: or when James Comey is fired as FBI director. That 71 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: that's what you were supposed to take away from yesterday. 72 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: But there's a much more important lesson, I think for 73 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: all of us, and or maybe not even lesson. Let's 74 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: just call it a takeaway that the Democrats here are 75 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: rooting for national failure and that they keep talking about 76 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: how dangerous Russia is for us, for our allies, for institutions, 77 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: but specifically they and when I mean they don't, I 78 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: can play you some of the clips. You know who 79 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, all prominent Democrats and major uh, major 80 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: media personalities, you know news folks. Um. They will say 81 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: that Russia undermined our election, that Russia hacked the election, 82 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: and we're all operating on not us, but we're supposed 83 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: to be operating under this conclusion that there was collusion, 84 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: there was a legal collusion with the Trump campaign and 85 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin shirtless, maybe playing hockey, standing off 86 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: the side, like we will get the Buddista's emails, and 87 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: we will, we will share them with the public. And 88 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: then the public was Conston, Pennsylvania and Michigan will vote 89 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: for Trump. Um, Nope, that's not what happened. But that's 90 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: I know that's a little silly sounding intentionally, of course, 91 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: but that's about as serious as the real analysis that 92 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: goes into the collusion conspiracy theory has been so far. 93 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: Usually conspiracy theories have at least some data points that 94 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: can be relied on. Here there are uh no evidentiary 95 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: points at least there there's no evidence, as you know, 96 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: and everyone everyone's yelling all everyone on the rights yelling, 97 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: oh there's no evidence, which is true and it's important. 98 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: But you already know that if you're listening to the show, 99 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: you know that. So I don't want to spend too 100 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: much time on that. But understand or keep in mind 101 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that the Democrats are talking about how dangerous Russia is 102 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: for our institutions, and Russia undermines our democracy and all this, 103 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: and yet they also are suggesting or outright saying that 104 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: the President of the United States is a traitor. And 105 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: if you were to get most Democrats that hold that thought, 106 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: which is a lot of them, it certainly is the media, 107 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: and it's the top of the Democrat Party. Um. They 108 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: either pretend to believe it or they do believe it. 109 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: It's tough to tell which is which. But if you 110 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: ask them which outcome, would you prefer? This is a 111 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: profound question. No one ever asks them this, but they should. 112 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: Which outcome Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, uh, you know, anchors 113 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: at CNN, anchors at MSNBC, and go down the New 114 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: York Times editorial board, the Washington Post political staff, which outcome? 115 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: As an American? Would you prefer that you have been 116 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: wrong all along, that you have been smearing this president, 117 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: that you have been actively colluding with each other in 118 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: the media to concoct narratives to destroy his reputation, to 119 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: stop his agenda, which is, whether they believe it or not, 120 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: supposed to make life a little easier, a little better, 121 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: or at least perhaps a little less bad at the 122 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: hands of the government. Would you rather that be the 123 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: case or so that that's that's option A. That's door 124 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: number one. You're asking, are the Democrat establishment this question? Right? 125 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: So that's the first one or the second choice that 126 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: the President of the United States in some scheme that 127 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I still have a hard time coming up with a 128 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: creative way to make this plausible feasible, but that the 129 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: President United States met with or or had his top 130 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, consoliary meet with Russian intelligence and actively assisted them, 131 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: provided what you would consider in the context of say 132 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: a terrorist investigation, material support um or engage in an 133 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: international conspiracy with Russian intelligence to sway an election, regardless 134 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: of whether it was effective. Right, That's we should keep 135 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that in mind here. I've already told you where I 136 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: stand on that. I to say I don't think it's 137 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: it was ineffective is not strong enough. I'm almost certain 138 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't. But it could still be. Uh you know, 139 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, attempted bank robbery is still it's still bad, right, 140 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if if you're if you attempt 141 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: to uh take active steps clearly, willingly knowingly to subvert 142 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: the election, if you're a presidential candidate and you're working 143 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: with Russian intelligence, I'm still not even clear on what 144 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: the criminal charge would be. But that's not I'm getting 145 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: further down the rabbit hole than I even mean to write. 146 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you have the whole media has 147 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: been wrong. Trump did nothing wrong. He's innocent, and they've 148 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: been running with this and wasting the American people's time, 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: really wasting our time and feeding their worst political prejudices. 150 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: That's option A or option B. The President is a traitor? 151 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: Which do you think most Democrats would choose at this point? 152 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Which do you think the Democrats with the biggest platforms 153 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: and the media, the Democrats who represent the most important states, 154 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: the Democrats who have the greatest audience, funding, sway, any 155 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: number of methods that we could use to calculate their influence, 156 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: do you think they go with Option A or Option 157 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: B at the end of all of this? Would they rather? 158 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: And of course I think that the reality will be 159 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: options see, which is that they're not proven right or wrong, 160 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: and they'll just in their minds at least, and and 161 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: they'll just continue with this and we'll never stop hearing 162 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: about it. But you know, Trump didn't betray his country. 163 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: Even if the investigation shows that they're gonna say, well, 164 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: there needs to be more investigating. There needs to be 165 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: more study, you know, there needs to be more of 166 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: a deeper look into this. But what is it tell 167 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: us that And I know I'm making an assumption here, 168 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: but I think it's a very clear one. It's an 169 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: obvious one. What does it tell us that our fellow Americans, 170 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: who are left of center, so many of them, would 171 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: rather believe, I would rather believe that the president, the 172 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: sitting president of the United States, is a traitor, then 173 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: that they were wrong. That's what bothers me. And I 174 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: haven't even talked to you about the Comy. I've got 175 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: all We'll get into all the Comy updates, I promise 176 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: you by by the end of this hour you'll know 177 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about Comey, and then some 178 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: and then back and forth with rosen Steen and with 179 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: the acting FBI director and all of it. Okay, so 180 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: we'll we'll get into that. But in the meantime, I 181 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: think it's McCabe he was testifying today. I read the testimony, watched, 182 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: watched as much of as I could, but I read 183 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: all of it. Um. I prefer to read the transcripts 184 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: of these things oftentimes just because and then I can 185 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: go back if I really want to see the exchange anyway. 186 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: This is a fundamental question though, or this this is 187 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: very important for us to consider. What does it mean 188 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: about us as a country right now when a large 189 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: portion of our fellow Americans would would prefer that the 190 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: president is a traitor than that they were wrong? This 191 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: is very damaging. Forget about the Russians and their ability 192 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: to undermine our institutions and and they're intent to push 193 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: our policies in one direction or another. When it is 194 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: our fellow Americans who truly believe, and not just believe, 195 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: but would prefer to believe the president is a traitor 196 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: than that they have been misled on this issue and 197 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: they are wrong. That's honestly, deeply, deeply disconcerting to me. Um, 198 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: that is, I don't know how we come back together 199 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: after this. I don't know how this goes away. Um, 200 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: if they are right, by the way, where will we 201 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: go as a nation? Think about that. They're all acting 202 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: like the end of the end goal here is going 203 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: to be or the end state is Trump has proven 204 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: a traitor? What does that look like for the country? 205 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they they're so childish in their analysis of 206 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: this that it's all about being right, being right, me, me, me, 207 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: my tribe, my side, we win, and there's there's really 208 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: no thought about how do they realize how momentous and 209 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: destructive and undermining it would be from the United States 210 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: if we had somebody who and again I know for 211 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: some of your like Buck, why are you even using 212 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: the the T word? We are even talking about treason 213 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: or trader, either one, because that's what they're saying. I 214 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: was reading to you and playing clips yesterday for you 215 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: people with sway, people with clout that are listened to 216 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: by other Democrats. This is the claim that's being made. 217 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: And they want to pretend that somehow our side is 218 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: too rough around the edges. You know, we're the fascists, 219 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: were the authoritarians, We're creating a constitutional crisis. They meanwhile, 220 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: have manufactured a narrative of a president as traitor with 221 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: no supporting evidence whatsoever, and they are so dedicated to 222 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: it that they won't whether they won't walk back, and 223 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: they won't give it up. Forget about Russia undermining the 224 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: integrity of our elections. The Democrats are enmeshed right now 225 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: in a deeply destructive position for the entire country. And 226 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: it hurts all of us. It hurts them, it hurts Republicans, 227 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: it hurts all of us. So that's what I take. Yeah, 228 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: the Cally thing, we've a lot of stuff is not true. 229 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: Some of it is true. We and I'll get into 230 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: the verifications and all of that in a second here. 231 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: But I I am appalled, I really am. And UM 232 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: eight four four to five on the phone lines, what 233 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: do you think I mean? Is it too much to 234 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: say that a lot of Democrats are rooting for national failure, 235 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: are rooting for a political catastrophe to happen, because that's 236 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: what a president tried for treason would be. UM. Anyway, 237 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: we're going to break your team. We'll be back and 238 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: we've got a lot more to talk about on the show. Uh. 239 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: I can't even get into topics right next. I have 240 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: to go to break, but I'll tell you on the 241 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: other side, So stay with me. I remember when I 242 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: was in uh Catholic school growing up here in New 243 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: York City. We had um chapel every morning and there 244 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: were some some teachers we had that they did their best, 245 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: but there were a couple and there was one named 246 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: William Ryan, and unfortunately he passed away some years ago, um, 247 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: but he would he would capture the attention of you know, third, fourth, fifth, 248 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: sixth graders like it was. You know, this is before 249 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: everybody would get so obsessed with Harry Potter. I mean 250 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: he told stories that could engross you in that kind 251 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: of a way he was. And they always had a 252 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: a Christian moral and and and a Catholic uh, usually 253 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Catholic backstory or Catholic tie in. Um. And I remember 254 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: him telling once about it. And I may mistakes on 255 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: the details because when he told this I was twelve, 256 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: no ten, I might have been ten years old, but 257 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: I still remember. So that should tell you something, I think, 258 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: just you know, my memory is not that good. But 259 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: Mr Ryan's stories stayed with us. To say. He also 260 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: he read the Lord of the Rings trilogy to the class. 261 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: Just he would sit and read to us, um in 262 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: our off hours. And this was he read the Hobbit 263 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: to us. Anyway he was. It was a fanta. He 264 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: was one of those educators that I'm sure many of 265 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: you have had, or and and your your children might 266 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: even have them now, um, who leave a tremendous imprint 267 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: on you for the rest of your life. They changed 268 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: the way you think about things. They inspire you to 269 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: want to read, to learn, to pursue different intellectual paths, 270 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: and and and it can happen at a very young age. 271 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: And and but I remember he told me this story, 272 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: or told all of us this story in the chapel 273 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: in front of in front of a portion of the 274 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: school about I think it was Thomas Aquinas, and how 275 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: he had at one point a couple of uh friars 276 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: went and and they grabbed him and they said to 277 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: to Thomas Aquinas, uh, look there are there are pigs 278 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: flying about in the sky. Now this story I'm sure 279 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: as apocryphal, but whatever, Um, sure it's probably not. This 280 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: isn't what happened in iron claud history. But uh, the 281 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: friars grabbed Thomas, I said, look out the window, there 282 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: are pigs flying in the sky. And Thomas thomasin and 283 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: it gets up and runs to the window. And they 284 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: all start laughing at him, of course, and they thought 285 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: that the friars thought this was so funny. Um. And 286 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: when they were laughing, he just looked at them and 287 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: he said, you know, I would rather believe that pigs 288 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: could fly, then my brothers would tell a lie. And 289 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: that stuck with me today when we saw all of 290 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: this about and this is not oh everything. I'm not 291 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: saying Trump is a saint. I'm not, but we are 292 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: in the completely opposite end of the spectrum. Now that 293 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: much of the country forget about believing mother pigs could fly. 294 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: Much of the country is more emotionally and psychologically comfortable, 295 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: is happier, is is much more content in their day 296 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: to day believing that the President of the United States 297 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: is a traitor is a traitor, and not that the 298 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: President States is a flawed man. And you know, like 299 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: we've had Clinton and Bush made mistakes and I get 300 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: although not of the same kind of moral level, but 301 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, everyone makes mistakes. But they they would they 302 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: would rather go to sleep at night thinking about how 303 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time before it looks like 304 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: our president is shown to be. Um, it's shown to 305 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: be a betrayer of the American people. You know, I 306 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: think I think in Dante's Inferno, those who betray are 307 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: are in the final circle of hell with Judas, and 308 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: for understandable reasons. Um, that's a really scary thought to me. 309 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: Not that I think any of that is true or 310 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: that Trump did any of the things they think happen, 311 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: but that they would rather that be true than the alternative. Um. 312 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: They certainly don't take the acquaintance approach. All right, we'll 313 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: be right back, team, stay with me. Welcome back to 314 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: the Freedom hud On, an island of liberty where you're 315 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: the party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton 316 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: kicks it off. He's a show boat, he's a grandstandard. 317 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: The FBI has been in turmoil. You know that. I 318 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: know that everybody knows that. You take a look at 319 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: the FBI a year ago, it was in virtual turmoil. 320 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: Less than a year ago. It hasn't recovered from that. 321 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: So that's that's the President United States calling the FBI. 322 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Former FBI Director James called me a show. But let's 323 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: let's go through some of the debunked stories, accusations, allegations, 324 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: stuff that was out there from yesterday. Uh. For example, UM, 325 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: it was said that the that the new Deputy Attorney 326 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: General rosen Stein would result was threatening to resign if 327 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: the President kept mentioning the letter. That was the justification 328 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: for that was initially cited as a justice cation for 329 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: firing for firing the FBI director. UM that was not 330 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: true comes out today another thing on the whether things 331 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: are true or not um. The story that Comey had 332 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: asked for additional funds for the Russia investigation right before 333 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: he was fired. That was not true. UM. The I'm 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: trying to think of what are some of the other 335 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: ones that I that that we were told initially that 336 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: turned out not to be the case. Um. But there 337 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: are a number of them right that the the threat 338 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: to the request for money, the threat to resign um. Uh. 339 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: Some of the other ones will will come to me 340 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: as we're moving through this, because there's also interesting new 341 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: stuff that we should add on to this. UM. But 342 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: one thing that I wanted to note is that the 343 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: president here in an interview with Lester Holt on NBC, 344 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: is saying that he was always going to fire Comy. 345 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: That's what That's what we've been told as of today 346 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: in this interview. I was going to fire call me. 347 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: My decision. It was not you would made the decision 348 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: before they came. I I was going to fire call me. Uh, 349 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: there's no good time to do it, by the way, Uh, 350 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: they they were accepted their recommending. Well, oh, I was 351 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: going to fire regardless of recommendation. They he made a recommendation. 352 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: He's highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. Uh, 353 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made 354 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: a recommendation. But regardless of recommendation, I was going to fire. 355 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: So he was gonna fire no matter what. So that 356 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: this is good. I'm glad that the President's coming out 357 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: and saying this because we shouldn't be left with any 358 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: confusion over this. UM. The Amiti sull response that we 359 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: got from the White House yesterday was not it was 360 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: not coordinated. I think we could say that, UM, you 361 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: had uh, Deputy Press Secretary Sanders doing her Huckaby Sanders 362 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: doing her very best to deal with all of this. UM. 363 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: We'll get to her in a second. But there's there's 364 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: one more and one more important point from that Lester 365 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: Holtz Trump interview about whether or not James coomy, because 366 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: remember this was written in a letter. I read the 367 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: letter to you. I guess it was yesterday that Trump 368 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: sent Comey with somebody who has been Trump's bodyguard for 369 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: a long time, took over in a in a an 370 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: envelope to the FBI headquarters. Um. But the notion of 371 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: whether or not Trump is under investigation. Right, Trump said 372 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: in that letter, you told me three times I was 373 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: not under investigation. However, today is saying, well, is that 374 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: even appropriate to the president be doing that. Here's what Potus. 375 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: What if you're in d C. And you want to 376 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: sound like the cool kids, you call the President of 377 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: the United States potus? Um, Yeah, or you could just 378 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: call him President Trump, which is probably a better way 379 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: to go. But here's what Potus had to say about 380 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: that himself. You're right, I greatly appreciate you informing me 381 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: on three separate occasions that I am not under investigation. 382 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: Why did you put that in there? Because he told 383 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: me that, and he told me to investigation with I've 384 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: heard that from others. I think I had a dinner 385 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: with him. He wanted to have dinner because he wanted 386 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: to stay on. We had a very nice dinner very 387 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: early on. A dinner was arranged. I think he asked 388 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: for the dinner and he wanted to stay on as 389 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: the FBI head, and I said, I'll, you know, consider, 390 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But we had a very nice dinner. 391 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: And at that time he told me you are not 392 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: under investigation, which I knew anyway, when you're under investigation, 393 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: you're giving all sorts of do humans in everything. I 394 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: knew I wasn't under and I heard it was stated 395 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: at the committee, at some committee level that I wasn't. 396 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: Then during the phone call he said it, and then 397 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: during another phone call he said it. So he said 398 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: it once at dinner, and then he said it twice 399 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: during phone call. So there's a lot of cleaning up 400 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: what was said yesterday about how they came to the decision. 401 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say the White House 402 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: did not have a unified message on this one. But 403 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter because the presidents allowed to fire 404 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: the FBI director. There's plenty of cause for him to 405 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: fire the FBI director, and he fired the FBI director. 406 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: So we can all just get well, the other side 407 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: is not gonna get past it, but we can. We 408 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: don't have to wallow in this, all of us, at 409 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: least because that's what the left hands all like to 410 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: do with it. Of course. Um. But there's some other 411 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: interesting things that came out today with the testimony. So 412 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: that was from Trump's interview saying, look, I did it. 413 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: Comey said I wasn't under investigation, but I asked him, 414 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: and also, this was all my decision. I'm the I'm 415 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: the I'm the decider. I think. I don't know if 416 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: that has been adopted as a real word. It should be. 417 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: It was this was a bush is um. This was 418 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: what Bush said back in the day that he was 419 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: the sadder um. And hey, it's a great term. Actually, 420 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: decision maker is very clumsy. Decider is great. Now I 421 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: could also sit here and say, why is it rn't 422 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I instead of amant I am and I makes so 423 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: much more sense. Think about it. People stay with me 424 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: on that one. Think about that. Uh So back to 425 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: the FBI, the acting FBI director here, McCabe. So he's 426 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: he's the guy who had the most interesting additions to 427 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: the Trump Russia Komi. Don't I don't even know what 428 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: we call all this now, this thing that they want 429 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: to give it like a Watergate type but they haven't. 430 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: Russia gate doesn't sound uh you know that that's not 431 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: scary enough or that that doesn't cover enough. So I 432 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: don't know what. We don't have a good term for 433 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: this yet. The we can't even describe the investigation very well. Right, 434 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: it's the ongoing counterintelligence investigation to whether Trump associates colluded 435 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: with Russia, and a possible attempt to hack some emails 436 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: in order to subvert the US election process. Who and 437 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: surveillance of Trump associates that may have occurred as a 438 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: result of that, and the possible leaking of information that 439 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: may in fact even have been classified about those Trump 440 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: but who, Yes, a lot, right, It's not not a 441 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: simple thing to talk about. There's no quick way to 442 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, you know the thing, you know, 443 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: the thing that he's talking about, the thing that's the 444 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: thing he's talking about, the thing you know. Uh, the 445 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: the investigation, we can just call it the investigation, I 446 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: guess for now. Um, but Acting Director McCay. But I 447 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: know I'm jumping around a bit here, but Acting Director McCay, 448 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: here is some uh, some very interesting revelations from this individual. 449 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: In the aftermath of yes Remember yesterday, it was this 450 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: is a constitutional crisis. Uh, this is unconscionable for the 451 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying everyone was saying this, but this was 452 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: a dominant narrative. I mean, if you turned on if 453 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: you turned on CNN last night, it was it was 454 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: like a a dirty bomb had gone off in like 455 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: a major US city, I mean, they were completely freaked 456 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: out about this. UM. But now we get a little 457 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: more context today and a little more accuracy. I think 458 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: I said yesterday on this show. I certainly said that 459 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: this morning on I was on Fox Business with Maria 460 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: bard A Romo and they asked me about this, and 461 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: they said, look, this isn't even a good way. I 462 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: think I said this this morning. I've been saying it 463 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: a lot. I can't remember when I say things gonna 464 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: talk a lot. Uh, it's not even good. It's not 465 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: even a means that. Oh no, I did say this 466 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: because of Yeah, it's not even a good way to 467 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: shut down the investigation. It doesn't even work. The conspiracy 468 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: is so ineffective that no person would do it, meaning 469 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: that Trump firing Comy doesn't save him if he in 470 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: fact colluded with Russia. But oh, by the way, he 471 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: didn't coclude with Russia. And this whole thing is just 472 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: a big dog and pony show to keep us all 473 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: distracted and keep the Democrat's you know, on something that's 474 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: uniting them in opposition. UM. Anyway, McCabe fb acting FBI 475 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Director on the issue of resources for the continued investigation. 476 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say, understanding, who at the 477 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: Department of Justice is in charge of the investigation. The 478 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General, who serves as acting Attorney General for 479 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: that investigation, he is in charge. And have you had 480 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: conversations with him about the investigation since in this room 481 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: mentioned this that director called me asked Rosenstein for additional resources, 482 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: and UM, I understand that you're saying that you don't 483 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: believe that you need any additional resources for the Russia investigation. 484 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Ma'm I think we are adequately resourced. They had the resources. 485 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: He also promised that if anyone tried to pressure them, 486 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: he would go public with it. His wife is a Democrat. 487 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that who's running for office a public democrat. Um, 488 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that, Uh, he's a Democrat too. Although 489 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: I know we are told to think that senior law 490 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: enforcement officials do not have a political proclivity, but yeah, 491 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: we should probably stop pretending that that's It's sort of 492 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: like when we all sit around and say the Supreme 493 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: Court is is above politics, but then there's all these 494 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: fierce political battles over who sits at the Supreme Court. 495 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: Top levels of any agency, particularly the FBI and inherently, 496 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: no matter what we want to tell ourselves, so we 497 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: feel safe and warm at night, there are there's politics 498 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: going on at the top of the FBI. But but 499 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can you know, you can be 500 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: a Democrat or Republican and adhere to the law and 501 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: be fair minded in your application of it. I don't 502 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: think that happened very much during the Obama administration, but 503 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: there you have it. Um. He said that NOE that 504 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: they have adequate resources. So a big talking point from 505 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: yesterday was is going to scuttle the investigation uh into 506 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: Trump and that and that's when Trump and Russia and 507 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: that's why this is so terrible. McCabe comes out today 508 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: and says he will inform the public of any efforts 509 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: to stymy the investigation. He also said, uh that firing 510 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: Comey didn't stop the investigation, wouldn't stop the investigation, and 511 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: there's no need for a special prosecutor. I mean, he's 512 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: just going down the list all all of the things 513 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: that we were told yesterday about why this is so terrible, 514 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: why we should all be so scared, this is so momentous. 515 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't believe this happened. You know, 516 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Trump is Trump is Hitler. What's what's going on here? Oh? No, 517 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: all of that in terms of on on a fact 518 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: issue by issue basis was just squatted away today by 519 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: the acting FBI director. And they have the resources. The 520 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: investigation will not stop if anyone tries to stop it. 521 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: He will go public if anyone tries to slow him down. 522 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: So now are we to believe that everybody in the 523 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: FBI who's a part of this investigation is just going 524 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: to be silence because they're also afraid of Trump? That 525 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: this guy McCabe is going to be in such fear 526 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: of the President that he wouldn't go public with it. 527 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, but there's also, by the way, raises for 528 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 1: me the the issue of we would know if there 529 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: was collusion because somebody would have gone public with it already. 530 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I I don't believe that this could have been good. 531 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: Think about all the leaks during the Hillary email investigation 532 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: that was going on, and you know, there's no way 533 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: that anybody put yourself in the shoes of being an FBI, 534 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: an FBI UM investigator, FBI agent involved in this um 535 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: if you saw whatever and I don't whatever the evidence 536 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: is where we all assume that must be classified because 537 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: you know Sally Yate, so that she can't answer because class. 538 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: But the evidence doesn't necessary not be classified. We don't know. 539 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: It could be an unclassified document that someone just mailed 540 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: into the FBI headquarters. Everybody, we don't know, which is 541 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: also why I found that Yates situation very very dodgy. 542 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: The whole thing was she was dodging um. But anyway, 543 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: because we don't know, it's it's possible, at least theoretically possible, 544 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: that there's information that's completely unclassified that would answer this 545 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: one way or the other, or at least would answer 546 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: it that if there was collusion, it could be unclassified. Um. 547 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: If it was out there, though, somebody would say something right, 548 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: someone in the FBI would sit down with the reporter 549 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: and be like, look like, I don't know when it's 550 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna come out, but it's gonna come out. You don't 551 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: think the Washington Post would run with that? Are you 552 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: kidding me? They'd be popping champagne corks left and right. 553 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: As I said before, they want to they want to 554 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: find out that the president is a trader. That is 555 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: their preferred outcome, which is uh wow, level shocking and troubling, 556 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: very trouble for all. It should be very trubbling for 557 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: all of us. Um. But so McKay was just swatting 558 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: down all this stuff, and what you see from yesterday, Um, 559 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: what you see from yesterday is the media goes with 560 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: it when they can, and if they know if they're 561 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: being a little reckless and their judgment is clearly impaired 562 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: by their political proclivities, by their their partisanship, it doesn't matter. 563 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: Because as long as I could say, well, we had 564 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: an anonymous source tell us this, so we're gonna go 565 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: with it. Uh. They think that's journalism. Well, when you 566 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: have enough anonymous sources tell you stuff that's not true 567 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: and then you have to either retract it or it's 568 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: proven to have been false, people lose faith in your 569 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: journalistic integrity. Um. But there's there's one more point from 570 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: McCabe that that's very important and it has to do 571 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: with Hillary Clinton and the truth of the Hillary investigation. 572 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: But to hear it, you're gonna have to stay with 573 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: me through the spreak. I'll be right back. You know 574 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: who I think had a really good understanding of our 575 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: current political moment or at least how the Democrats are 576 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: acting Alfred the Butler from the Batman movies. Some men 577 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: aren't looking for anything logical like money. They can't be bulled, bullied, reasoned, 578 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: were negotiated with some men. I just want to watch 579 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: the world burn I think that's where Democrats are right 580 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: now on on the Trump treason investigation. They just want 581 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: to watch the whole thing burned down. Okay, So I 582 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: said that I would tell me about Hillary, and I cannot. 583 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: I cannot tell a lie about Hillary. But first, there 584 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: was another contradiction from yesterday today that McCabe and people 585 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: are pointing to this. But this one is this is 586 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: a judgment call. This isn't a factual contradiction. The problem 587 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: the Trump White House had was initially saying the letter 588 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: that Rosenstein wrote was why Comey was fired, When no, 589 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: that was that was justifying the decision that Trump, as 590 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: he said, had already made. So that was that was 591 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of a mess up. Okay, um, But 592 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: the comy losing the confidence of the rank and file 593 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: the FBI or not, that's a judgment call, right, that 594 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: was initially what Trump said. I don't know, or maybe 595 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: uh Huckabee Sanders said it. I don't know if it's 596 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: true or false. Uh, FBI is huge. Tens of thousands 597 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: of people work for the FBI. UM I think I 598 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: think that's right. Uh So, you know, this is not 599 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: something that we need to spend too much time on. 600 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: But today the acting FBI director said that there that 601 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: the Comey was well liked. Um, Comey was respected by 602 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: the rank and file. Okay, A thirty five thousand FBI 603 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: agents according to uh Cora um so, which is a 604 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: site where people ask questions. Just popping that up there 605 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: real quick, Um, all right, or thirty five people work 606 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: for the FBI, side up, whatever, That's not all what 607 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: you would think of as FBI agents on Hillary. Here's 608 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: what McCabe said as well. So McCabe said that Comy 609 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: still had the confidence of the rank and found the FBI. Fine. 610 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: That's different from yesterday's story, but okay. He also said 611 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people inside the FBI 612 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: who were very unhappy about the decision not to indict Hillary, 613 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: which we were hearing a little bit of that here 614 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: and there. But let's think about let's let that one 615 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: sink in for a second. Comy acted like this was 616 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: an open and shut come on, no, no reasonable prosecutor 617 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: would bring a case. Uh well, apparently a whole bunch, 618 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: according to McCabe today in testimony, a whole bunch of 619 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: reasonable FBI agents. I thought that a case should have 620 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: been brought. So we get back into the what's going 621 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: on with this comy guy? Um, not really, he's not 622 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: what he seems to be sometimes, I think that's fair 623 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: to say. Also, um, he is very tall eight four 624 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: four nine hundred to eight to five. Or we're gonna 625 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: have our friend Sean Davis from the Federalists joining up 626 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: here in just a few minutes. We're also gonna be 627 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: talking about the opioid epidemic leader in the show, and 628 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: a speech by Betsy Devas that more Buck Sexton with America. Now, 629 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut is fired up as Team Buck assembles, 630 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, shields high call in eight four four 631 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four hundred to eight 632 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: to five. All right, welcome back, Team Buck. We've got 633 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: our friend Sean Davis online. He is co founder of 634 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: the Federalists. You can read his latest work at the 635 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: Federalist dot com. Shawn, great to have you always good 636 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you for having me. So a 637 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: lot of stuff happening, Sean. What should we make of 638 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: these things that are going on in the news right 639 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: now with Coomy and the FBI and more. Oh my yeah, 640 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go against the grain of the media narrative 641 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: here and UH go with it just being a big 642 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: pile in nothing. I think people are making a bigger 643 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: deal out of this than it is as well, too, 644 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: at a level where it's crowding out all other news stories. 645 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing else really that we can talk about 646 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: other than the Comy firing. And it's just not that 647 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: it's completely everyone agrees it's completely legal. Everyone agrees there 648 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: was no way Trump could ever do it without upsetting 649 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: Democrats anyway. And now we've all been told that it 650 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: didn't change the investigation, which I knew before because how 651 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: could it change the investigation? So what's all the what's 652 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: all the fuss? My friend? Well, it reminds me of 653 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: what happened, and I think it was in two thousand 654 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: seven when uh, his Attorney General, Alberto Gonzalez fired a 655 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: bunch of U S attorneys who worked for the Attorney 656 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: General and for the President they work entirely at his pleasure. 657 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: And the media and Senate Democrats and House Tom Kratz 658 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: made you think that this was Watergate two point oh, 659 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: that it's the worst thing that ever happen in the 660 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: American public. It was a gross abuse of power, when 661 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: in reality it was boss firing a bunch of people 662 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: who needed to go so he could bring in fresh blood. 663 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: It was a whole bunch of nothing. It was a 664 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: completely manufactured outrage. And that's what we're seeing right now. 665 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: The media has has this silly Russian narrative. They're convinced 666 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: that Trump is this, you know, a Manachuri candidate from 667 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: the Kremlin with the brain ships in his head and 668 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: planned by Putin himself, and so every single thing that 669 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: happens every day has to be used to reinforce that. So, 670 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, a complete hack of an FBI director who's 671 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: been making a mess of everything and enemies of everyone 672 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: on either side of the aisle for the last nine months, 673 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: gets fired. Well, it can't just be house planning. It 674 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: can't be this. This guy was a hack who needed 675 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: to go. No, it all has to be in service 676 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: of the Russian narrative. So that to me explains the 677 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: complete hysterical freak out and meltdown from the media that 678 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: we're watching right now. I've started to think that there 679 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: may be a greater self awareness within the corridors of 680 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: the elite Democrat media on this issue than than a 681 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: lot of folks on on our side of the I'll 682 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: give them credit for but that maybe they just see 683 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: this as it is effective and profitable, meaning that the 684 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: the out the outrage ometer is not only good for 685 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: business in the sense that it um continues, it perpetuates 686 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: narratives that these outlets, like the Russia one, of course, 687 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: is the big one that these outlets have been running 688 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: with for a while, but also it generates clicks, It 689 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: gets eyeball. So I think that this, you know, we're 690 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: letting believe sewn that the the false story gets thirty 691 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: thousand retweets and the correction gets five retweets on Twitter 692 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: because it's just, you know, that's just the way that 693 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: it is. But and it's an honest mistake. I think 694 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: that now they're leaning into it a little bit, They're 695 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: they're embracing that just go with it. I've got an 696 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: anonymous source that says that Comey asked for more funds 697 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: right before we got fired. Just go with it because 698 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: it's good for business. Oh, I completely agree. I think 699 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: all of this scratches multiple itches for the media and 700 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: the democratic activists with binelines who populate these outlets. Number one, 701 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: you get all the clicks and the money and the 702 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: viewership from the outrage. And number two, you get to 703 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of push your own political ideological narrative that you 704 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: would have pushed anyway. Um. And we've just seen it 705 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: in these last two days. You know this breathless report 706 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: from unnamed anonymous congressional sources that Comy had asked for 707 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: more re resources from the Deputy A. G for the 708 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: Russian investigation and was turned down. And the next day 709 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: he was fired. So all anonymous sources, um don't even 710 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: work in the building, wouldn't have been present at such 711 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: a meeting if it ever happened. Um. And then we 712 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: have multiple aim sources immediately on the record at DJ 713 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: say no, no, that never happens. Then you had this 714 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: whole narrative about oh Rod Rosensein he had to threaten 715 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: to resign because Trump was so badly mangling his integrity. 716 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: And and then we find out note that didn't happen either. 717 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: What happens in the media now with their narrative is basically, uh, 718 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: fire aim ready. They go out with whatever pushes the narrative, 719 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: and then when it gets blown up, however long it 720 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: takes an hour, a minute, a day, they come back with, 721 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that was wrong, and it gets one retweet, 722 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: it gets one eyeball on the updated story, and that's it. 723 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: But with left is the impression that they wanted from 724 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 1: their initial narrative. That has been the entire story since 725 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: the moment Trump was elected. And I have to say, 726 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: I think that it's kind of funny that the media 727 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: gets so upset whenever people talk about fake news or 728 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: they talk about even even media bias, which has been 729 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: a much more long standing uh issue and something that 730 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,280 Speaker 1: people have been talking about. Uh. They have just doubled 731 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: down everything that people were concerned with before the media 732 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: was doing, they've doubled down with on Trump. So it's 733 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: kind of funny. On the one hand, they're saying Trump 734 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: is attacking the media, this is unprecedented, it's an assault 735 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: on you know, a free press in the First Amendment 736 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 1: and fascism and blah blah blah. But then they also, 737 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: in response to what they perceived as this threat, act 738 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: in worse ways with regard to the very the exact 739 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: criticisms that they're upset about. They act even more poorly 740 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,919 Speaker 1: as a result of it, like like they're being even 741 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: more biased after being well Trump attack us all the time. 742 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: Why is he doing this well? Because guys, this is 743 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: how you get Trump. Yeah, this is exactly, and it's 744 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: how you get more Trump. I wrote after the election. 745 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: Um shortly after that, I was worried the media like 746 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: might get a clue and realize, hey, you know what, 747 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: our behavior, instead of making it harder for Trump to win, 748 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 1: actually made his win possible. Maybe we wratchet it back, 749 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: Maybe we take a breast and sit out if you play. 750 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: I was worried that would happen, because, you know, is 751 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: somebody who's in the media critic business. I like it 752 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: when they're outrageous and ridiculous because it makes my job 753 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: so much easier. But thankfully my concerns were misplaced. They 754 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,919 Speaker 1: did not get better or engage in any self circumspection. 755 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: They did not become more self aware at all. They've 756 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: doubled down on all the nonsense they peddled throughout all 757 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: the and then decided that, oh no, that's not how 758 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: we got Trump. We got Trump because we didn't do 759 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: enough of what we were doing. So we're just gonna, 760 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, double down on it entirely and be as 761 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: ridiculous as humanly possible. Do you think we're ever going 762 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: to get definitive answers? I know there's some people that 763 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: no matter what the end result of the investigations into 764 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: Russia Trump conspiracy collusion stuff, it'll never be enough for them. 765 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what is said or who says it. 766 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: But do you think that for the rest of us 767 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: that just really do want to have answers and be 768 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: done with this? Are we going to get those answers? 769 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: Where do you think we fall on that spectrum? No? No, 770 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: we're We're never going to get anything definitive. And the 771 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,399 Speaker 1: reason is that once you have spun a conspiracy theory 772 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: and what you've engaged the conspiracy theorists, Uh, any lack 773 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: of evidence is just more proof of the conspiracy. So 774 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: this Russia stuff, from my view, is the flip side 775 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: of the Obama birthrysm coin. So you had him come 776 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 1: out with his his long form birth certificate and all 777 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: that did was what the appetite of the conspiracy theorist. 778 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, well, this just proves that the whole thing 779 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: was doctor and he really was born in Kenya and 780 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: we knew it. This is birthrism all over again. There 781 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing that anyone in government could say or 782 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: do to convince a huge chunk of these people that 783 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: Trump isn't a robot devised by Vladimir Putin uh in 784 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: the halls of the Krimlin. It will never ever happen. 785 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: They will never be content. I see CNN reporting today 786 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: on a chiron on their screen for their national news 787 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: broadcast that President Trump got two scoops of ice cream, 788 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: everyone else got one. That's that is treason. So if 789 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: these people are just journalists, there there these journalists like firefighters, 790 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: remember that they sense danger and rather than running away 791 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,240 Speaker 1: from it, they run right into the fire. And thank goodness, 792 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: they got the scoop on the amount of scoops the 793 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: Trump likes to have scooped in the ice cream. There 794 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: we go. There they're they're keeping it. They're keeping it 795 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: real by making it fake. There we go, that's what 796 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 1: the journalists do. We're speaking to our friend Sean Davids 797 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: so the Federalist everybody. You can check out his latest 798 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: on the Federalist dot com, where he is a co founder. Sean, 799 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: thanks for making the time. We'll talk to you soon 800 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: my lecture. Thank you, Buck Team eight four d to 801 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: eight to five. We're gonna hit a quick break and 802 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. We've got David in Arizona on 803 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 1: the line on the I Heart apples up. David, Oh, 804 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: hey man. First off, I want to congratulate you on 805 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: your new gig. Man, it's about time, and that's so 806 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: much more convenient to listen to you and uh and 807 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,359 Speaker 1: I know that as a rising stars is a big 808 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: step for you. And congratulations. Thank you very much, David. 809 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Well. Now, first I want to say that, 810 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about all this morale and the FBI, 811 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: and I have to tell you American law enforcement for 812 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: the last eight years had taken such a hammer beating 813 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: from Justice Department and and and every component of it 814 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: had become politicized. And I have to tell you yesterday 815 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: that I have to believe that morale and every law 816 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: enforcement agency not at the top necessarily where the politics 817 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,760 Speaker 1: are played, but at the street level have been greatly 818 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: improved by that act. So you agree with Comey getting fired. Absolutely. 819 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: The guy was an incompetent political boob and I tad 820 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: it was almost it was almost Soviet and last July 821 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: sitting there listening to his monologue. But where he could 822 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 1: he hit every single element of the crime that every 823 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: every rookie in the academy, I mean every cadet and 824 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: was with elements of the crime are and Hillary fulfilled 825 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 1: every single element and get at the end he had 826 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: a new element, intentional, a mental state that's not even 827 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,799 Speaker 1: a compos In fact, if she had been intentional, would 828 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: have been a completely different statute and a far greater crime. 829 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: She was reckless and careless in her handling, that's a felony, 830 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: But intentional intentionality would have been treason or some other crime. 831 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: That's what nobody seems to understand. He he was talking 832 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: about some other statute, but not the statute that she 833 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: was charged with. Well, I think that the the FBI 834 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: Acting director came out today David and said that members 835 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: of the FBI rank and file were frustrated that no 836 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: charges were brought. That says a lot, It certainly does, 837 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: but at the same time, you're hearing these quote insider 838 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 1: voices saying that how they were caught their blindsided quote unquote, 839 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: no one there could have been blindsided at a conscious person. 840 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: And regardless, I'm just saying that I really hope that 841 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: their morale improves and they feel as if that the 842 00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: that that some some aspect of their reputation has been regained. 843 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: But until we get a director we all trust and 844 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: not this Democrat operative there they have acting, then then 845 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with their morale. But a nation, 846 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: Trump has been the greatest boon to law enforcement rale 847 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my lifetime, and I'm not to 848 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 1: be sixty five, so I'm telling you that I've never 849 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: seen it so low in the last year and now 850 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: he is really single handedly bringing back the morale and 851 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: the confidence of the state and local officers. David and 852 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: Arizona agreed to have you, sir. Thanks for calling in. 853 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: Um So there was a story that I thought should 854 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: get a lot more attention than did. I would like 855 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: to also spend some of our time here together in 856 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt talking about some policy stuff too, and 857 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,760 Speaker 1: because the well, it's it's an evolving issue keeps changing, 858 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: especially we're talking about healthcare immigration. Those are the two 859 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,760 Speaker 1: that I have at the top of my I'm sorry 860 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 1: three healthcare immigration taxes. But on healthcare specifically, this would 861 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,720 Speaker 1: have been on any other day a pretty major story. 862 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: I think ETNA, a massive insurer, is just pulling out 863 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: of Obamacare. By they they are just pulling up stakes. 864 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: They're they're done trying to be in the individual market 865 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: under under the Obamacare regime, under the law, and uh, 866 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: let me just play this for you. One other things 867 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out. Last night Obamacare suffered another 868 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: serious blows THATNA announced this decision to pull out of 869 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: the Nebraska and Delaware market places, which ends their participation 870 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: in exchanges completely. They've sustained hundreds of millions of dollars 871 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: over the last several years and is projected to lose 872 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: more than two hundred million in twenty seventeen. The company 873 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: attributes those losses to structural issues within the exchanges quote 874 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: that have led to co op failures and carrier exits 875 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: in subsequent risk pool deterioration. In quote, here's one of 876 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: the problems that we must be aware of going forward 877 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: when we talk about healthcare. Yes, Obamacare is failing. Yes, 878 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,399 Speaker 1: the exchanges are in many places a disaster. Um. They 879 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: are a money pit. They're going to need more funding 880 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: to stay solvent. They're gonna need taxpayer bailouts, whether it's 881 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: now or in a few years. And I know that 882 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: there's and this has to do with the risk corridors. 883 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: And people say, well, we're going to prevent that money 884 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: from going. And that's not gonna work. You can't have 885 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: a an insurance, you can't have insurance companies mandated to 886 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: provide certain plans. And then and people are told they 887 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,279 Speaker 1: have to buy a plan, and there's no plan to buy, right. 888 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 1: There's something's something's got to give there that that's not sustainable. Um. 889 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,720 Speaker 1: But this is what I would caution many conservatives about 890 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: and and I think it's um. This is where the 891 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,279 Speaker 1: fight over healthcare is going to go, regardless of what 892 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: the Trump administration does going forward. With the American health 893 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,919 Speaker 1: Care Actors were calling it. I do think it should 894 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: have a cooler name, by the way. I mean, you know, 895 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: not that anything is cool with in America, but you 896 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I just I'm not sure that 897 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: it's UM. I think it could have been something a 898 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: little more. I can't think of anything on the spot, 899 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: but American Healthcare Act is a little too, a little 900 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: too bland, given that Obamacare was supposed to be the 901 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: great destructor of the economy, unconstitutional, ruining healthcare in this country, 902 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,760 Speaker 1: all of the things that we were told for years, 903 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: and now it's kind of like, well, I mean, it's 904 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,759 Speaker 1: not only that bad. We're gonna keep some parts of it. 905 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: So um onto, Oh yeah, So this is the this 906 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: is where the road, this is where the road diverges, 907 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,320 Speaker 1: and this is where the fork in the road will happen. 908 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: Conservatives would think, okay, ETN has pulled out. This is 909 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: clearly unsustainable, and so we will. Um. We have the 910 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: political will in the operating room to come up with 911 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: something better than what Obamacare is right now, all right, um, 912 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,319 Speaker 1: and they're in the process of doing that, right the 913 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: House past that thing that wasn't great, but a little 914 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,360 Speaker 1: better than Obamacare, but it it really wasn't great. Now a 915 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: sentence working on something. I guess well, when everyone's back 916 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: in in d c uh sentence working on something, we'll 917 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: be working on something. And looking at this, we can 918 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: think to ourselves, the failure of Obamacare exchanges will mean 919 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: that they will understand that there will have to be 920 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,240 Speaker 1: a free market, and that that essentially that the failure 921 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: of Obamacare leads to a more free market based, conservative 922 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,319 Speaker 1: approved healthcare system. That unfortunately is not how it necessarily 923 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: will go. And in fact, given the mood of the 924 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: country on healthcare and many of the discussions we're having, 925 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: I think that it could very well go in the 926 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 1: other direction, which is, well, the healthcare system just needs 927 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: more money. It just needs more taxpayer money put into it. 928 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: We we just need more money, um and higher taxes 929 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: to pay for it. That's uh, that's a dangerous pathway 930 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 1: for us to go down, and I think there's a 931 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: real possibility we will end up going down it. And 932 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,160 Speaker 1: in the meantime, this whole discussion is going to get nasty. 933 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: So before I get into the nasties to discussions, see 934 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's just the failure of the exchanges 935 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that conservatives get to fix them. The failure 936 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: of the exchanges can also mean that that that the 937 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: cry for single payer single payer gets louder and louder, 938 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: and people may just be like, you know what, let's 939 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: let's try that and how you might be shaking your 940 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: head like that's terrible, but enough of your fellow Americans 941 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: may go for it that ends up happening. But you've 942 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 1: got representative onto the nastiness of the discussion. The Representative 943 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: Tom MacArthur of New Jersey was trying to speak at 944 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: a town hall about the health problems of his special 945 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: needs daughter, who died at age eleven. He's trying to 946 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 1: talk about this story, and this is the way that 947 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:17,839 Speaker 1: activists at his rally treat this. Man's not all I say, 948 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: if you want me to listen to you, I'm asking 949 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 1: you to listen to me, asking you to listen to me. 950 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: When you're done, I'm going to continue. This is not 951 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: a can response, It's not a canvas spot. I want 952 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,480 Speaker 1: you to stop from a moment, because if you think 953 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: that this doesn't have an impact on how somebody sees things, 954 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,640 Speaker 1: they were nasty to him. While he's trying to tell 955 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 1: this story. They say, oh, we've we've already heard this before. 956 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: Isn't it so interesting? The Left treats anyone who has 957 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: suffered a tragedy as sacro sanct and and untouchable for 958 00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 1: the purposes of debate. As long as they're take king 959 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: a leftist Democrat position that they give no such leeway 960 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 1: though to people who disagree with the other side. So 961 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: putting forth someone who has suffered a personal tragedy or 962 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: has been the victim of something well, on on any issue, 963 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: never mind just health care is a time tested tactic 964 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: for Democrats. But you'll notice that if a Republican, even 965 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,439 Speaker 1: if it's not a tactic, it's just someone who's trying 966 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 1: to tell a story. But you would expect a basic 967 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: human deference given the seriousness and the tragedy of what 968 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: this congressman is discussing, and they're people are just heckling him, 969 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, being being nasty to him. This is you know, 970 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound like like, you know, a 971 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: guy who's here on radio is trying to tell us 972 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: that we all need to give each other big hugs 973 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: and stuck. That's not how I am. But things right 974 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: now really have reached a level of political psychosis on 975 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of issues, first and foremost Russia, 976 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: but health care too. People are threatening politicians. People are 977 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: booing them when they're talking about the passing of of 978 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: loved ones from illness. I mean, there is not a 979 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: lot of civility out there right now, um eight four 980 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: four eight to five eight four Buck. We're gonna be 981 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: joined by David Harsani in just a minute. Stop the 982 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out with 983 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,880 Speaker 1: Team Buck anytime. Plus get bucks the latest news and analysis. 984 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 1: Go to buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. 985 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: The Buck is back, everybody. We've got David Harsany on 986 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 1: the line, senior editor at The Federalist. His latest piece 987 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 1: is you want checks and balances, stop ignoring the Constitution 988 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 1: when you're in power. Let's talk about it, David, what's up? 989 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: A lot lots going on? Yeah, that's that's for sure. Uh, 990 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: let's get into this. You know, the left holds two 991 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: ideas simultaneously that are self contradictory. This is not really 992 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: all that much of a surprise, but it is fun 993 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: to point it out. As you write in your piece. 994 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: They think that Donald Trump has quote both a clueless 995 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: idiot on a will to spell or read or earn 996 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: a single cent on his own merit, and on a 997 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 1: various mastermind capable of bamboozling the entire nation. So we 998 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,919 Speaker 1: can hand over the White House to Russia and quote, um, yeah, 999 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: that would be it would be tough to be both 1000 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,920 Speaker 1: of those things, right. But we're we're supposed to believe 1001 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is an idiot and that he you know, 1002 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,520 Speaker 1: and they just mock him for basically everything he does. 1003 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 1: And then they tell us, well, he has tricked us 1004 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: all and he's handing the nation over to Putin and 1005 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's getting away with murder. You know. I 1006 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: imagine that the truth lies somewhere within these two two places. 1007 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: And yesterday you saw just the frenzy and hysteria over 1008 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: the firing of Comy, which you know, one story after 1009 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: the next telling us essentially making it out to be Watergate. 1010 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: And today I think we've learned that most of the 1011 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,640 Speaker 1: stories weren't even true. And this has been happening over 1012 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,080 Speaker 1: and over again. And I think that, you know, and 1013 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of Trump, but this sort 1014 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: of thing actually helps the guy because no one trusts 1015 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: the media at all anymore. And it isn't that a 1016 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,439 Speaker 1: rational response to what's been going on. You've got people 1017 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: who are senior veteran reporters, overpaid, held up as as uh, 1018 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the the luminaries of the free press, and they'll report 1019 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: something with anonymous sourcing that doesn't have to be anonymous 1020 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: sourcing to protect the source. They just don't want to 1021 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 1: give us the source, right, and then it will turn out, 1022 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, the president is in a bad mood, doesn't 1023 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: have to be anonymously source. I know it can be, 1024 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,520 Speaker 1: depending on if it's somebody who could get fired. But 1025 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of things that I 1026 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: think they just hold back now because they've gotten in 1027 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 1: the habit of doing it. But then we find out 1028 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: later that it is not true. And if you report 1029 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: something that has no bey that is completely inaccurate, isn't 1030 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: that fake or at least it's at least false, as 1031 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: I say, it's false news. Well a few things. I mean, 1032 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, an anonymous source, at least when I was 1033 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: working at a newspaper, and obviously I was never at 1034 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: that level of reporting, they would have to be very 1035 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: good reason to use it. And typically it would be 1036 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,960 Speaker 1: used to sort of strengthen a story that you've actually 1037 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 1: reported and and you needed it. Now it's like, I 1038 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: don't I don't even trust it all these I mean, 1039 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 1: it's impossible that all these reporters have senior White House 1040 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: people leaking stuff to them that that sounds exactly like 1041 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 1: what they want to hear all the time. I just 1042 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't buy it anymore. And yesterday they were like 1043 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 1: three three stories that turned out not to be true 1044 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,959 Speaker 1: that I can think of at the top of my head. 1045 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: You know. One was that, uh, the Deputy A. G 1046 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: was on the verge of quitting here that today he 1047 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: said no, yeah, and you've probably have gone through all 1048 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,440 Speaker 1: this stuff. But um, that's a big problem because we 1049 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: don't know what to believe and listen. I think I 1050 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: don't buy Trump's explanation for why he fired Comy. I 1051 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: think he wanted to get rid of him, and he's 1052 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,400 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. I don't understand how we can 1053 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,960 Speaker 1: frame this as a constitutional crisis when the guys allowed 1054 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 1: to think, what is what is the constitution crisis? We had? Yesterday? 1055 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,560 Speaker 1: The nation was was tree into a series of alleged 1056 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 1: legal experts what was it? Tubin over at CNN. And 1057 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: there are others as well, John Meetchum, who's I'm in 1058 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: the middle of this guy's Andrew Jackson biography, among other 1059 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: books that I'm like, I don't even know if I 1060 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 1: want to read this anymore. This guy is talking about 1061 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 1: charges that could lead to treason. That was what he 1062 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: said yesterday. As as I pointed out, one, there are 1063 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: no charges and to any investigation could lead to charges 1064 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,160 Speaker 1: of anything. You could be you could be investigating somebody 1065 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: for embezzlement and find out that they're selling Stinger Stinger missiles. 1066 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. The acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe 1067 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 1: sat in front of a Senate uh, you know, a 1068 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: committee today and he said that there has been no 1069 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 1: obstruction of the investigation. I mean, does that mean anything 1070 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 1: to anyone? I mean, it's you know, there is no 1071 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,560 Speaker 1: there is that. First of all, we don't even know 1072 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 1: if Trump is being investigated. That was also an anonymous 1073 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,360 Speaker 1: source story. And then we hear that, you know, the 1074 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,919 Speaker 1: investigation goes on. He also said he didn't need resources 1075 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,560 Speaker 1: that he had plenty of investigating it. So so the 1076 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: frenzy was driven by these stories that are not true, so, 1077 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just this anger and frustration because 1078 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 1: everyone believes that Trump did all these things, and so 1079 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: they just want someone to say it, but no one 1080 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 1: will say it because it's probably not true. And all 1081 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 1: they're doing now is leading us you know, everything is 1082 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,360 Speaker 1: tied to Russia, everything bends towards its will, so we 1083 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 1: can't talk about anything else in this country. And and 1084 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: it's just I think it's a disaster for us. Tell 1085 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: me about the checks and balances aspect of your peace? 1086 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: What what do you? You know? Your your title here? 1087 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: And I'm speaking to David Harsani. He's a senior editor 1088 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 1: of the Federalists. You want checks and balances stopping nor 1089 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: in the constitution when you're in power? How so, David, well, listen, 1090 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: whenever I bring up that Donald Trump isn't the first 1091 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: person with you know, some authoritarian impulses, and I bring 1092 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,040 Speaker 1: up that Obama had had sort of eroded, you know, 1093 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,480 Speaker 1: or abused as executive power, everyone accuses me of, you know, 1094 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: bringing up you know, out aboutism, bringing up what happened 1095 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,760 Speaker 1: in the past. Well, these things just don't happen overnight. 1096 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a continuum. You have presidents sort of breaking down 1097 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,720 Speaker 1: walls and other presidents take advantage of that as well, 1098 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: and becomes sort of a part of an issue where 1099 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Democrats defended everything Obama did because they like the outcome, 1100 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, they were there was morally pleasing to them. 1101 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 1: The press let him get away with it. Um. So 1102 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm not excusing things that Trump does, even though he 1103 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: hasn't done very much at all really yet. UM. But 1104 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,200 Speaker 1: I do like to note that if you really care 1105 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 1: about checks and balances, if you care about separations of power, 1106 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: if you care separation of power, and if you care 1107 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: about the Constitution, you would be wise to uh sort 1108 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: of cherish and look after those things when you're empower, 1109 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 1: not just when it is politically convenient for you. That's 1110 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,000 Speaker 1: basically the thesis I have to say. I was I 1111 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,440 Speaker 1: was annoyed that there were some stories this week that 1112 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: got chewed up entirely and left aside because of all 1113 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the focus on what's going on with with Comey and 1114 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:07,000 Speaker 1: the firing, like ETNA, huge insurer, just saying that we're out, 1115 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,280 Speaker 1: we're we're pulling out of these exchanges, We're we're done 1116 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: zo Obamacare is working. Um yeah, it's a big problem, 1117 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,240 Speaker 1: you know. And the whole thing annoys me simply because 1118 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: the Republicans are obviously, you know, not taking advantage of 1119 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: this in a political way. And it sounds terrible to 1120 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,240 Speaker 1: say that you're taking advantage of something bad that's happening, 1121 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,040 Speaker 1: But they could bring something far better to two Americans 1122 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,360 Speaker 1: by fixing Obamacare as they had promised, but instead they 1123 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 1: don't do that, and uh, Obamacare, you know, is falling apart. 1124 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: There another state I think I think it was. I 1125 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 1: might be wrong about this, but I think it was 1126 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 1: Idaho or Iowa won't have may not have a single 1127 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: provider for Obamacare and the exchanges. Other states like Arizona, 1128 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: I think I have won or down to zero um. 1129 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 1: And yet when Republicans come forward with a plan, Democrats 1130 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: treated as it's like they're taking away something that Obamacare is, 1131 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 1: are be taking insurance away from these people. They're not 1132 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: going to have insurance, so, you know, not being able 1133 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to take advantage of this now and give some people 1134 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 1: something better. It's just it's it's mind boggling. David Harsagni, 1135 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Senior editor at The Federalist. Great to have you stopped 1136 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,800 Speaker 1: by the Freedom Hunt, sir, Thank you, thank you for 1137 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: having me Team eight four to five quick break and 1138 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Just when you thought that airline travel, 1139 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: it will be hard to make it more annoying than 1140 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 1: it currently is. Here we have the possibility. Dad, It's 1141 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,400 Speaker 1: gonna get a little worse everybody I know, I come 1142 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,840 Speaker 1: bearing bad news on this one. We saw, uh, that 1143 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: guy Dr Dow I believe, who got pulled out of 1144 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,680 Speaker 1: his seat and with United, and then of course a 1145 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,400 Speaker 1: huge backlash against United as a result of that. We've 1146 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: all seen it, we talked about it. I think doctor 1147 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Dr Dao was probably driving around in a gold plated 1148 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Lamborghini now. But nonetheless, UM United learned a less than 1149 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,920 Speaker 1: I suppose that day. So the CEO certainly did in 1150 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: a crisis crisis pr and what not to do. And 1151 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,200 Speaker 1: then there was a I think it was also United. 1152 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: There was a giant rabbit. Yeah, an actually a giant 1153 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: rabbit UM I believe that was in storage and it expired, 1154 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,400 Speaker 1: it hassed away, it passed away in storage. This this 1155 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:41,320 Speaker 1: like valuable, very large rabbit. And then although is that 1156 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't think, No, that was a real thing. And 1157 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,640 Speaker 1: then there also was a woman who was sitting and 1158 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,040 Speaker 1: said she had to get up and we we've all 1159 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,440 Speaker 1: been there, why don't we've been sitting too long and 1160 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,240 Speaker 1: we would like to go use the lavatory, and they 1161 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 1: gave her, you know, she she wasn't allowed to go 1162 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,440 Speaker 1: to the bathrooms. They handed our cup Okay, so we 1163 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: know that story as well. Um, airlines are having a 1164 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: rough time of it lately, which I would like to 1165 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360 Speaker 1: think would mean that they would get a little better 1166 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,640 Speaker 1: at some stuff. And as I think I mentioned this 1167 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: a little while back, the whole rule about how you 1168 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,040 Speaker 1: can't have any electronic device at all, including a kindle 1169 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,719 Speaker 1: out during takeoff, you know, which is handheld and doesn't 1170 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,800 Speaker 1: even necessarily transmit anything. Um, that was just a rule 1171 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,400 Speaker 1: because they have there are there are rules that the 1172 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,920 Speaker 1: airlines have that are just dumb, that are not sensible rules, 1173 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 1: and they don't open them up to a discretion because, 1174 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,160 Speaker 1: just like in a totalitarian society, the minute you start 1175 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: to be reasonable people, people have an expectation of reasonableness 1176 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 1: from you, and they want more reasonableness. They want to negotiate, 1177 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,240 Speaker 1: They want you to use discretion. They want to be 1178 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: the exception and that, um, that is not what the 1179 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,640 Speaker 1: airlines want. The airlines want to be in a position 1180 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,479 Speaker 1: where they can do well exactly what they want to do, 1181 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,520 Speaker 1: which is just tell you the rule is the rule. Okay, 1182 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: So you got the United and have the problem with 1183 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the guy drigged out a seat and the dead bunny 1184 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,840 Speaker 1: and then the woman in the cup and all these 1185 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: big airline stories recently, and then also was a fight. 1186 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,720 Speaker 1: And this is pretty standard stuff. But people have been 1187 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 1: airline rage or plane rage. I don't know if they 1188 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: have a I guess they call it air rage maybe 1189 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,160 Speaker 1: or something whatever it is. That was a video one 1190 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: viral recently. Here's the latest. I know it's it's quite 1191 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,080 Speaker 1: a leading to tell you about this one Wall Street 1192 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 1: Journal US Ways expanding laptop band to flights between the 1193 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,439 Speaker 1: US and Europe. That means that airlines and this could 1194 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:50,080 Speaker 1: happen where airlines decide that the carriers that a lot 1195 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 1: of carriers from European airlines that fly transatlantic roots, you 1196 01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,360 Speaker 1: may not be able to have your laptop there anymore. 1197 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,200 Speaker 1: This is very distressing. I I'm sure it's clearly a 1198 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,240 Speaker 1: security measure based on the fear that somebody would be 1199 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: able to create a an explosive device out of out 1200 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,240 Speaker 1: of your laptop. But I also we've all gotten used 1201 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,599 Speaker 1: to the take your laptop out and also the liquids 1202 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. This is now we've we've conceded 1203 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,479 Speaker 1: that this is just the way it's going to be now, 1204 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,960 Speaker 1: and so you get the laptop out it is scanned separately, 1205 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 1: and the laptop goes through the machine and you figure 1206 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: it's all okay, not enough anymore. They may tell you 1207 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,640 Speaker 1: no more laptops in the in the cabin with you, 1208 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,200 Speaker 1: and that that would apply to iPads possibly as well. 1209 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,120 Speaker 1: According to a survey here side in the Journal of 1210 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:48,000 Speaker 1: Worldwide Airline passengers bring a tablet aboard and them use them. 1211 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,800 Speaker 1: In flight of passengers bring laptops on board and use them. 1212 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: So everybody, this would mean you wouldn't be able to 1213 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,599 Speaker 1: do work anymore on the fly. This will be very annoying. 1214 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,200 Speaker 1: And I know that it's I'm sure it's based in secure, 1215 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,840 Speaker 1: some security rationale, but there's a part of me, I'm 1216 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,519 Speaker 1: going to be completely honest with you, there's a part 1217 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,559 Speaker 1: of me that just thinks, in the conspiratorial recesses of 1218 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,840 Speaker 1: my brain, it's almost like they're trying to punish people 1219 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: for all of the bad press airlines have gotten. I 1220 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,479 Speaker 1: know that's not real and that's not what's really happening here, 1221 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 1: but it feels like, well, look at this timing. All 1222 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now they're taking away they're taking away 1223 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,800 Speaker 1: our laptops. After years of being able to download whatever 1224 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,680 Speaker 1: you want off of iTunes and and uh and watch it. 1225 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,759 Speaker 1: So that's uh something else that we go to the airports. 1226 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,240 Speaker 1: As I've said, I think that airline travel is very 1227 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: is very useful, useful from a political perspective because it's 1228 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,439 Speaker 1: the closest thing that most Americans will will ever come to. 1229 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Uh that resembles a totalitarian state. You your your body 1230 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,000 Speaker 1: is you're you're not in control of your body. You 1231 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,439 Speaker 1: have to do with even your physicality is under orders 1232 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 1: from the authority. Uh. Everything is uncomfortable, everything is poorly made, 1233 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:10,719 Speaker 1: It is very expensive, it's constantly stressful. Uh, there are 1234 01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: there's propaganda. You know, you know, we would like your 1235 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 1: attention please. It's like, yeah, I can't figure out how 1236 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,640 Speaker 1: to use the seat seatbelt buckle. Right, there's Orwellian style propaganda. 1237 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,800 Speaker 1: When you really work your way through the whole airline experience, 1238 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,640 Speaker 1: it is kind of like a little crash course in 1239 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,719 Speaker 1: a big Brother style state, you just just go online 1240 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,080 Speaker 1: everything that the blasting of propaganda. You're not allowed to 1241 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,720 Speaker 1: question anything. They can tell you what to do with 1242 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,280 Speaker 1: regard to everything. Um, they can hold they can detain 1243 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: you without cause. Oh yeah, that's right. Tarmac delay that's 1244 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,000 Speaker 1: being detained without cause. How long can they keep you out? 1245 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe eight hours. You know, you read 1246 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,920 Speaker 1: some of the stories and people have suffered mightily as 1247 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: a result of that. UM and you I'm trying to 1248 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: think of other other compare arsons you can draw your 1249 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,680 Speaker 1: with a totalitarian state. But oh yeah, I mean you're 1250 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,160 Speaker 1: your subject to physical discomfort. I wouldn't say torture, but 1251 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,559 Speaker 1: those seats are pretty terrible. UM. So you know, there's 1252 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways that um you are. Oh 1253 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,840 Speaker 1: and also the whole process through the security process and 1254 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,920 Speaker 1: the security theater that we go through. You know, t 1255 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,920 Speaker 1: s a pulls aside. You know, Grandma and a wheelchair 1256 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,759 Speaker 1: is going over that wheelchair, Uh, like they're they're worried 1257 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,479 Speaker 1: that it's going to turn into a rocket ship or 1258 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,960 Speaker 1: something on board. I mean, it's just all of the 1259 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,639 Speaker 1: stuff that you add together makes airline travel annoying. UM. 1260 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,680 Speaker 1: And like I said, it is a little visit that 1261 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,720 Speaker 1: we all take into a totalitarian state. And now you'll 1262 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,360 Speaker 1: be less able to escape from that totalitarian is um 1263 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: with uh your laptop or your your tablet and being 1264 01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,559 Speaker 1: able to U download something. Now people, people are gonna say, well, 1265 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, don't you like books? And you know people 1266 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: will read more. Now let's try. I always bring a 1267 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,040 Speaker 1: book on the plane. Of course, I bring a book 1268 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: and a kindle, that's right. Uh, but you know the 1269 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,519 Speaker 1: problem with books on a plane is that people get noisy. 1270 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,759 Speaker 1: You're going to drown out the sound. And there's something 1271 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:15,400 Speaker 1: kind of nice and particularly escapist about being whenever you know, 1272 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 1: thirty five tho feet up or whatever it is, and 1273 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: being able to watch Braveheart for the three time or 1274 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 1: something like that. So uh oh, by the way, on 1275 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,639 Speaker 1: the getting airlines to get better thing, all the reasons 1276 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: I've been reading in recent weeks, some planning, some travel, 1277 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,760 Speaker 1: and the all some flights at least in the fall, 1278 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Everything that I see suggests that because people have determined, 1279 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the marketplace has determined that most flyers value much more 1280 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:51,040 Speaker 1: a cheap flight than a comfortable and uh well organized 1281 01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,639 Speaker 1: and timely flight. The most important factor for people looking 1282 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,280 Speaker 1: to fly is the price tag on the flight. And 1283 01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,800 Speaker 1: because of that, UM is unlie that airlines are going 1284 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,080 Speaker 1: to change policies like over over selling, and and uh, 1285 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,759 Speaker 1: now I wonder who we could go to to see 1286 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,200 Speaker 1: if we could contest this new policy about laptops, because 1287 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,760 Speaker 1: I would be somebody who want to contest this. Uh, 1288 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,640 Speaker 1: this reminds me of you know, you've got the no 1289 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,519 Speaker 1: liquids rule, You've got the laptops rule coming up here. Now, 1290 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,799 Speaker 1: all this different stuff, and it's just making air travel 1291 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,240 Speaker 1: even more annoying than it already is. And it is 1292 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,639 Speaker 1: pretty Oh, I forgot about the the the big fight 1293 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,800 Speaker 1: that was videotaped only week from Spirit Airlines, right that 1294 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 1: was another So there's been a lot of bad press 1295 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,880 Speaker 1: for airlines recently, and now here we are with the 1296 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,519 Speaker 1: battle of well, the looming fight over whether they're going 1297 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,599 Speaker 1: to ban laptops in the cabin. I have to say, 1298 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they don't do this, but I think 1299 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: they probably will. I think so much of this security 1300 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: stuff that they do on the on the airlines is 1301 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,719 Speaker 1: overly is to call shoes and also it's a little 1302 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,519 Speaker 1: politically motivated. You know. Now we can get into the 1303 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 1: discussion about you know, it would it be better to 1304 01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,800 Speaker 1: maybe look for the look for the terrorist or the hijacker, 1305 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, should we be focused on that aspect of security? No, no, no, 1306 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,719 Speaker 1: let's just have everybody not able to bring any stuff 1307 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,400 Speaker 1: on board and have to sit there strapped into their 1308 01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,080 Speaker 1: seat like they're on a roller coaster and not able 1309 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,800 Speaker 1: to get up and not able to move, and forget 1310 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,960 Speaker 1: about it. The talentarian state. It's like hellish sometimes on there. Anyway, 1311 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,880 Speaker 1: I know, I hope no of you have any flights tomorrow. 1312 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,759 Speaker 1: Something you probably do it. I'm not getting you excited 1313 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: for it. I'm sure it'll be great. You know, you 1314 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: can download like Finding Memo too or something. At least 1315 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,400 Speaker 1: for now you can still do that. Eventually you won't 1316 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,519 Speaker 1: be able to. All Right, we gotta talk about some 1317 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:47,760 Speaker 1: serious stuff coming up here in a few minutes right 1318 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,960 Speaker 1: after the break um opioid epidemic and update on that. 1319 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,720 Speaker 1: We've got more. Stay with me, bug sextendent with America. 1320 01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Now the Freedom Hunt is fired up as Team Buck 1321 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:06,800 Speaker 1: as symbols shoulder to shoulder, shields high call in eight 1322 01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:12,360 Speaker 1: four four buck, that's eight four four to eight to five. 1323 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,240 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, everybody. We've got Dr Bertha Madrass 1324 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: on the line. She's a professor of psychobiology in the 1325 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,160 Speaker 1: Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. She's former Deputy 1326 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,840 Speaker 1: director for Demand reduction in the White House Office of 1327 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,799 Speaker 1: National Drug Control Policy. Her research focuses on the relevance 1328 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 1: of dopamine signaling to addiction biology, and she holds nineteen patents. 1329 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,960 Speaker 1: Dr Madras, thank you so much. You're very welcome. I'm 1330 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: delighted to be here. Please tell us a bit about 1331 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:48,040 Speaker 1: this news report, um about the drug called gray Death, 1332 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,719 Speaker 1: and what this means as part of the opioid epidemic 1333 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:57,800 Speaker 1: that's ongoing. Well, the opioid epidemic has really become a 1334 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,360 Speaker 1: moving target because first most of the deaths and most 1335 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,000 Speaker 1: of the problems were prescription drugs. Now they're moved into 1336 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:14,800 Speaker 1: fentanel and heroin, and we have combinations of opioids, fentanel 1337 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,479 Speaker 1: and higher more potent types of fentanels combined with hero 1338 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 1: when combined with another synthetic opioid, and these The problem 1339 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,599 Speaker 1: with these drugs is that they're so potent that it's 1340 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 1: it's hard to reverse it with a drug like n 1341 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,439 Speaker 1: locks on, which is a lifesaver. And we're seeing more 1342 01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,920 Speaker 1: and more people make more and more concoctions like this, 1343 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,080 Speaker 1: and it is one of the most dangerous trends we've 1344 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,400 Speaker 1: ever had in our country. This is so dangerous as 1345 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,479 Speaker 1: a substance that even touching it with gloves can be 1346 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,599 Speaker 1: a problem. Yes, yes, how does that work? What's what's 1347 01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,360 Speaker 1: the what's the chemical action that goes on there? Well, 1348 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,840 Speaker 1: it's because it is so potent. It can simply get 1349 01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,519 Speaker 1: into your skin, It can get into your nose, into 1350 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,200 Speaker 1: your eyes, hit the same part of the brain that 1351 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,200 Speaker 1: kills people with morphine or heroin and just stop you 1352 01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,360 Speaker 1: from breathing, and then you go ahead, go ahead, doctor. 1353 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:30,360 Speaker 1: That's the problem with it. It's really um you know, 1354 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,720 Speaker 1: the stronger the drug is, the more dangerous it is. 1355 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,800 Speaker 1: Because there's certain drugs like L S D, for example, 1356 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:43,400 Speaker 1: that are potent at the amount that is the weight 1357 01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:48,000 Speaker 1: of your fingerprint. And I've actually done the experiment where 1358 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:52,720 Speaker 1: you put a fingerprint on a very sensitive scale and 1359 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,120 Speaker 1: that amount just how much your fingerprint weighs, that is 1360 01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,280 Speaker 1: the amount that that can have a trem men to 1361 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,640 Speaker 1: suffect on your brain. Fox News was reporting earlier this 1362 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,160 Speaker 1: week on the drug called Great Death. It's being looked 1363 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: at in overdose cases in Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio. Uh DOC. 1364 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,439 Speaker 1: They're saying that it's comprised of of heroin, fentanyl, and 1365 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:21,160 Speaker 1: the Elephant tranquilizer, car fentanyl, and a synthetic opioid called 1366 01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:27,280 Speaker 1: You for You four seven seven zero zero. Fentanyl already 1367 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,960 Speaker 1: is many times more potent than heroin or morphine, and 1368 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,240 Speaker 1: so what what is the purpose of making these drugs 1369 01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: even more potent? It seems like they're already so dangerous. 1370 01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Do people who are engaged in the illegal activity of 1371 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,160 Speaker 1: modifying these just not know they're making something that's already 1372 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,960 Speaker 1: incredibly risky, insanely risky. Oh, they know very well they're 1373 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,679 Speaker 1: making something very risky. The problem is, if you own 1374 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,680 Speaker 1: a poppy field somewhere in the western edges of Mexico, 1375 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,200 Speaker 1: it's very easy to spot it from an airplane. It's 1376 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,080 Speaker 1: very easy to spray. It is very easy to land 1377 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,559 Speaker 1: a helicopter and arrest the people who are making it. 1378 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,720 Speaker 1: When you make sentennel or car fentennel or youth four 1379 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,960 Speaker 1: four seventy or seventy seven or any of these others, 1380 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: you can make them in a lab sight unseen. Nobody 1381 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,559 Speaker 1: knows where you are, nobody knows where your production is. 1382 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,720 Speaker 1: And it is so powerful that you can cut it 1383 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,240 Speaker 1: multiple times and make a very high profit on it. 1384 01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,559 Speaker 1: So these folks are gambling on the fact that they 1385 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,160 Speaker 1: are in a much safer place doing it in a 1386 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,000 Speaker 1: lab than than growing it in a field. We're talking 1387 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 1: to Dr Bertha Madrass, a professor of psychobiology UH in 1388 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,639 Speaker 1: the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. We're discussing 1389 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,040 Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic and a new even more dangerous addition 1390 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,360 Speaker 1: to the lineup of drugs that are ravaging streets across 1391 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:06,719 Speaker 1: the country, opioid deaths in surpassty Dor. We know this 1392 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,960 Speaker 1: is a crisis. We've had you on the show before 1393 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,559 Speaker 1: to talk about it. What are the steps now that 1394 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:17,439 Speaker 1: the Trump administration should be considering and acting on to 1395 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,519 Speaker 1: deal with what is truly an an epidemic. I mean, 1396 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,240 Speaker 1: the the death toll from this drug, from these drugs, 1397 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,799 Speaker 1: this class of drugs, seems to only be getting higher. 1398 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,479 Speaker 1: It's it's only getting higher. And what's happening is that 1399 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,679 Speaker 1: originally the death tolls were the lions share were um 1400 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,920 Speaker 1: prescription opioids. What's happened now is last year the death 1401 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,519 Speaker 1: toll from prescription opioids increased only by two percent, the 1402 01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,559 Speaker 1: death toll from heroin about twenty two percent, and the 1403 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,760 Speaker 1: death toll from sentinel type drugs increased by seventy two. 1404 01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:00,639 Speaker 1: So basically about eighty percent of the people who are 1405 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:06,400 Speaker 1: currently using heroin or fentchanel were people who started with prescriptions. 1406 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:12,360 Speaker 1: And what's happened is with you know, with increased controls 1407 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:17,519 Speaker 1: on on on prescribing these drugs, people are moving into 1408 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:23,000 Speaker 1: these deadlier, deadlier combinations, much less safe and much less 1409 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,840 Speaker 1: safe because they have no idea what they're getting when 1410 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,680 Speaker 1: they buy them on the street. So what do we 1411 01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,200 Speaker 1: do about it? The most important thing from my perspective 1412 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,719 Speaker 1: is first to save lives, and that is to make 1413 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,520 Speaker 1: sure that there is in the lock zone the antidote 1414 01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,560 Speaker 1: available in as many places as possible throughout the country 1415 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,160 Speaker 1: where there's a high number of people who are using 1416 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,400 Speaker 1: because saving lives is paramount. Once a person's life is saved, 1417 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,320 Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to help them and treat them. 1418 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,519 Speaker 1: The second thing we have to do is is be 1419 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,760 Speaker 1: able to offer as many treatment slots as possible for 1420 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,400 Speaker 1: those willing to go, and we have to be able 1421 01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:13,960 Speaker 1: to provide medications assisted treatment treatment which works. The third 1422 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,200 Speaker 1: issue is we have to figure out how to identify 1423 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:24,120 Speaker 1: people who have a an opioid addiction because so many 1424 01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:30,879 Speaker 1: are going unidentified. They don't come out and and present 1425 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,559 Speaker 1: themselves in in a frequency that that is going to 1426 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,840 Speaker 1: stop the epidemic. So we have to figure out a 1427 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:44,240 Speaker 1: way how to get health care workers, how to get hospitals, 1428 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,639 Speaker 1: how to get everyone in the community that has an 1429 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:53,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to UM to help these people, convince them that 1430 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,880 Speaker 1: this is a life saving matter. It's life or death 1431 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,479 Speaker 1: to get into treatment and to move away from this 1432 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,360 Speaker 1: class of drugs which is so deadly. How quickly does 1433 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:09,240 Speaker 1: one have to usually get the antidote for it to 1434 01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,800 Speaker 1: be effective in preventing an overdose with with Fentinel class drugs. Yeah, 1435 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,880 Speaker 1: With with the conventional drugs I call them like the 1436 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:23,759 Speaker 1: prescription opioids. UM. You know, you have a good window 1437 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:29,479 Speaker 1: of time. With Sentinel, you have very little time. It 1438 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,479 Speaker 1: has to be within minutes in some cases if the 1439 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:39,280 Speaker 1: dose is high, because there are many reports of E 1440 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:44,840 Speaker 1: m t S and other emergency responders UM showing that 1441 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,160 Speaker 1: the person died as the needle went in because they 1442 01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: it was so powerful that there was no chance even 1443 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:59,360 Speaker 1: of intervening at that point. So having Sentinel right there 1444 01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:04,040 Speaker 1: on the spot is critical. Dr Bertha Madras, Professor of 1445 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Psychobiology and the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. 1446 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,720 Speaker 1: Dr Madrass really appreciate you joining today. Thank you. You're 1447 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,400 Speaker 1: very welcome. I hope this is helpful very much, so 1448 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 1: thank you. Team. We are going to hit a break 1449 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:17,919 Speaker 1: here in a second. By the way, if you're wondering, 1450 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,599 Speaker 1: because I was curious about this myself. Uh, China different 1451 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:29,479 Speaker 1: versions of our different names for Fenton will include China Girl, China, White, Dance, Fever, Friend, 1452 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,680 Speaker 1: good Fellow, Jack Pott, Murder eight, T and T and 1453 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Tango and cash. Uh. This is a true epidemic, and 1454 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,640 Speaker 1: unfortunately it is often in places in the country that 1455 01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,559 Speaker 1: don't get very much media attention. These are in uh 1456 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,360 Speaker 1: this this is a drug that is affecting rural areas 1457 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:55,639 Speaker 1: heavily as well as urban areas. And there's nothing right 1458 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,600 Speaker 1: now that makes anyone think that this is going to 1459 01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,200 Speaker 1: become less of a crisis in the near future. So 1460 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 1: that this is um This is a real fight that 1461 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,720 Speaker 1: we have had as a country and we should be 1462 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,519 Speaker 1: focused on it. Anyway, I wanted to bring you up 1463 01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,719 Speaker 1: to speed again on what's going on in the fight 1464 01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:14,400 Speaker 1: against opioids in this country. UM eight four four to 1465 01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,719 Speaker 1: five team, we will be back in just a few 1466 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,599 Speaker 1: free that's not getting much attention this week. Another issue 1467 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,439 Speaker 1: that's not getting much attention because we're all supposed to 1468 01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:31,720 Speaker 1: be so concerned about the Kremlin's massive si op to 1469 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,360 Speaker 1: throw the US election right, UM psychological operation with Vladimir 1470 01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,800 Speaker 1: Putin pulling all the strings. I just it's never gonna 1471 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,320 Speaker 1: get all of the Democrats. Unfortunately. This is just gonna 1472 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,840 Speaker 1: be the story that never goes away. But let's talk 1473 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,360 Speaker 1: immigration for a second, my friends. The Trump administration that's 1474 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,439 Speaker 1: on Fox News, has concluded a six week nationwide sweep 1475 01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,800 Speaker 1: of suspected gang members, with one thousand, three hundred seventy 1476 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,920 Speaker 1: eight arrests, the largest such gangs sweet conducted by the 1477 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,759 Speaker 1: U S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security investigations to date. 1478 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,880 Speaker 1: Of the seventy eight arrested, nine thirty three U S 1479 01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,559 Speaker 1: citizens and a thousand over a thousand were confirmed as 1480 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,200 Speaker 1: gang members or affiliates. A hundred and four of those 1481 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:32,080 Speaker 1: arrested were affiliated with MS thirteen. Eight of those crossed 1482 01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:37,840 Speaker 1: the border as unaccompanied miners. Now I know that that's 1483 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,559 Speaker 1: only eight out of a larger, much larger number of well, 1484 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,200 Speaker 1: of course unaccompanied miners, but also a much larger number 1485 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:50,320 Speaker 1: of individuals that were caught up in this operation. But 1486 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,479 Speaker 1: for a while, some of us have been saying, do 1487 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,120 Speaker 1: you know that whole unaccompanied minor thing at the border 1488 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,920 Speaker 1: that everyone's been talking about, and the surge of particularly 1489 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,960 Speaker 1: Central American miners who were trying to cross the Well, 1490 01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:07,520 Speaker 1: they would cross the border, and because of existing policy 1491 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,080 Speaker 1: at the time, they could turn themselves into border patrol 1492 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,519 Speaker 1: and say I'm a miner, and then they were brought 1493 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,200 Speaker 1: into the country and they could claim asylum here. Then 1494 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,960 Speaker 1: they can claim asylum ASTs uh and and become permanent 1495 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,760 Speaker 1: residents and stay with family members. Right. So, but some 1496 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,120 Speaker 1: of us have been saying, I'm willing to bet there 1497 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of twenty year olds pretending to be 1498 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,599 Speaker 1: sixteen year olds who just kind of found themselves by 1499 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,880 Speaker 1: the border and you know, okay, here I am ums, 1500 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,519 Speaker 1: and that that clearly has happened in some cases here 1501 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,800 Speaker 1: as well as gang members. Right. We know, maybe they 1502 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,400 Speaker 1: weren't in a gang at the time, but they joined 1503 01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,560 Speaker 1: a gang when they when they got here within relatively 1504 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,280 Speaker 1: short order, it would seem um, but so there's serious 1505 01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: enforcement operations under way. Um, some of the stuff I've 1506 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,120 Speaker 1: read about MS thirteen and m S thirteen is in 1507 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,880 Speaker 1: the DC area, and I think it's in Virginia that 1508 01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:08,240 Speaker 1: there's a pretty prominent MS. There's prominent MS thirteen activity. Maryland, 1509 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:13,479 Speaker 1: I believe has prominent MS thirteen violence and and all 1510 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:19,480 Speaker 1: all of the bad stuff that comes with organized cartel 1511 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:25,560 Speaker 1: like crime. So enforcement actions are important, and also perception 1512 01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,080 Speaker 1: matters when it comes to immigration. And this is where 1513 01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,760 Speaker 1: the Trump administration has a clear advantage. If if you 1514 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,200 Speaker 1: believe in law and order and you care about the 1515 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:40,480 Speaker 1: enforcement of immigration laws, the Trump administration has a substantial 1516 01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:46,960 Speaker 1: advantage over its predecessor of the Obama administration in the 1517 01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,280 Speaker 1: perception of a willingness to enforce the law that then 1518 01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:56,040 Speaker 1: turns into a change in behavior with those who are 1519 01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,400 Speaker 1: willing to violate our immigration laws. Let me give you 1520 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,160 Speaker 1: some of the specifics here. This also on Fox Trump's 1521 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,880 Speaker 1: tough immigration rhetoric slows illegal border crossings. Quote, we are 1522 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,360 Speaker 1: at a trickle And in this piece they talked about 1523 01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:18,600 Speaker 1: how since January there has been a significant decrease in 1524 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,400 Speaker 1: traffic to the point where they're averaging about a hundred 1525 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:27,320 Speaker 1: and fifty hundred and fifty alien apprehensions a day, which 1526 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,760 Speaker 1: is down from as many as a thousand a day 1527 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,840 Speaker 1: in that sector. Uh. The Rio Grand border patrol sector 1528 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,760 Speaker 1: is according to the Deputy chief there um and he says, 1529 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,720 Speaker 1: a big part of the decrease, I think has to 1530 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,200 Speaker 1: do with a lot of the discussion about the build 1531 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,320 Speaker 1: up of infrastructure on the southwest border, more agents along 1532 01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,920 Speaker 1: the border, and some of the message making its way 1533 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:57,080 Speaker 1: down to those host countries. Now that that all makes sense, 1534 01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:01,640 Speaker 1: doesn't it. When people believe that there's a lower likelihood 1535 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,920 Speaker 1: because of what's being said at the very top, because 1536 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,879 Speaker 1: of what President Trump is saying, both on the campaign 1537 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,400 Speaker 1: trail and now that he is the president, it changes 1538 01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,800 Speaker 1: the view of those who would think about coming here 1539 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:20,479 Speaker 1: illegally because it would seem much less likely they will 1540 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,599 Speaker 1: be able to stay. Well, if it's much less likely 1541 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,320 Speaker 1: you'd be able to stay, then that will change the 1542 01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,519 Speaker 1: way that you view crossing the border illegally. It seems 1543 01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,639 Speaker 1: that that is already happening. And then you get into 1544 01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:38,440 Speaker 1: just the the cost of illegal cross the the monetary 1545 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,000 Speaker 1: cost of illegal crossings. Uh. And this is this is 1546 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,519 Speaker 1: the I thought one of the most interesting parts of 1547 01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,679 Speaker 1: this entire piece. Um that it used to be because 1548 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:52,800 Speaker 1: of the Obama administration's willingness to not enforce immigration law 1549 01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,599 Speaker 1: or and to allow for these very long release periods 1550 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,559 Speaker 1: where somebody would come to the country illegally that detained 1551 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,400 Speaker 1: and they'd be let go inside the country, and then 1552 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,600 Speaker 1: they're supposed to show up at a a very backlogged 1553 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,840 Speaker 1: immigration court maybe in a year or two. And if 1554 01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,240 Speaker 1: they don't show up, well, then what you know, they're 1555 01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,720 Speaker 1: they're not exactly going to be spending a ton of 1556 01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,120 Speaker 1: resources and try to track this individual down. There's too 1557 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,240 Speaker 1: many people who are legal who are illegals who are 1558 01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:24,000 Speaker 1: in the same category. Um. But because you're less likely 1559 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,759 Speaker 1: to be able to do that now, it also means 1560 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:31,240 Speaker 1: that you are less likely to spend the thousands of 1561 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,000 Speaker 1: dollars that coyotes which is what people call them, human 1562 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,600 Speaker 1: smugglers that help people get across the border illegally, oftentimes 1563 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,280 Speaker 1: tied in with cartel activity and have engaged in terrible 1564 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,160 Speaker 1: uh stuff, I mean violence, atrocities, rapes in the desert 1565 01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,960 Speaker 1: of those that they're supposed to be helping to cross 1566 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,559 Speaker 1: the border. Um. But that's expensive to pay someone to 1567 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,400 Speaker 1: do that. It's thousands of dollars, and you don't want 1568 01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,320 Speaker 1: to spend thousands of dollars if it means that border 1569 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,200 Speaker 1: patrol is go going to is likely to catch you 1570 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,880 Speaker 1: and hold you, now, detain you until you are sent 1571 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:11,640 Speaker 1: back to your country of origin. So I I know 1572 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,479 Speaker 1: that there has been and it's understandable there has been 1573 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,719 Speaker 1: some frustration over the and maybe I'm just speaking about 1574 01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,200 Speaker 1: myself here, over the inability to get a wall, new 1575 01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,840 Speaker 1: wall sections start at the southern border, new barrier um 1576 01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:32,400 Speaker 1: parts built at the southern border. But just the willingness 1577 01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,800 Speaker 1: to enforce the law is having a change, Just the 1578 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,600 Speaker 1: willingness to speak differently about existing immigration laws and to 1579 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,040 Speaker 1: do so in a way that people believe the words 1580 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:48,080 Speaker 1: right because Democrats and Republicans there's been bipartisan talk about 1581 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,240 Speaker 1: securing the border for decades, and if you even went 1582 01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,920 Speaker 1: back about ten or fifteen years, you'd have a lot 1583 01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,000 Speaker 1: of Democrats who would speak about border security. It was 1584 01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,920 Speaker 1: a talking point that worked for them, was a talk 1585 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,360 Speaker 1: sucking point that they were comfortable deploying because they thought 1586 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,439 Speaker 1: that that's where the much of the Democrat base was. 1587 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,960 Speaker 1: That has changed now where you have the Democrat Party 1588 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:17,240 Speaker 1: is a day is an amnesty and quasi open borders party. Um. 1589 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,719 Speaker 1: That's there. That's their current status. They have moved away 1590 01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:25,400 Speaker 1: from even pretending, UH to care about securing the southern 1591 01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,599 Speaker 1: border in any meaningful way. Um. And by the way, 1592 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,360 Speaker 1: there's also a piece out this week about the various 1593 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:38,200 Speaker 1: states that are considering also passing sanctuary city laws. What 1594 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:42,880 Speaker 1: happened to the Obama administration was you had, um, for example, 1595 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,559 Speaker 1: in Arizona, the law that passed that said that they 1596 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,720 Speaker 1: were going to be doing some assistance to federal law 1597 01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,320 Speaker 1: enforcement for immigration purposes. And the Obama administration said, no, 1598 01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,400 Speaker 1: don't do that. Um, we we've got this, which of 1599 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,880 Speaker 1: course just meant no, don't do that, we don't want 1600 01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,120 Speaker 1: to enforce it, and we don't want you to help 1601 01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,920 Speaker 1: us enforce it. UH immigration law. But now when states 1602 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,240 Speaker 1: say it, states have police powers, and if states decide 1603 01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:10,200 Speaker 1: that within that state there will be a much more 1604 01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,760 Speaker 1: restrictive approach to illegal immigration and a much more enforcement 1605 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,559 Speaker 1: oriented approach, it changes the calculation once again. So we 1606 01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:22,040 Speaker 1: are seeing not yet the fulfillment of all of Trump's 1607 01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,720 Speaker 1: promises of immigration, but we are seeing positive movement in 1608 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:29,320 Speaker 1: the direction of a more secure border less illegal inflow, 1609 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,760 Speaker 1: and willingness to just finally do with the with the 1610 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:37,280 Speaker 1: law sense, which is a pretty dramatic departure from what 1611 01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,559 Speaker 1: was going on under the Obama aministration. You've got more team, 1612 01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:52,400 Speaker 1: stay with me, Betsy Divorce. The Education Secretary tried to 1613 01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,920 Speaker 1: give a commencement speech at Bethune Cookman University, which is 1614 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:03,600 Speaker 1: a historically black college in Daytona Beach, Florida. This is 1615 01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:08,439 Speaker 1: how it started to Jackson Board of Trustees. Thank you 1616 01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,720 Speaker 1: so very very much for this great honor and privilege. 1617 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:22,040 Speaker 1: I am honored to become a wild pat and it's 1618 01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:26,360 Speaker 1: a real honor and privilege to be with you as 1619 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:31,200 Speaker 1: we celebrate the Bethoon Pipman University class of two thousand seventeen. 1620 01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:38,000 Speaker 1: They're booing. You can't see the video, just playing the 1621 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:42,240 Speaker 1: audio for you there, but students are booing and have 1622 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,519 Speaker 1: their backs. They stand up and turn their backs on 1623 01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:52,120 Speaker 1: their commencement speaker, who happens to be the Secretary of Education. 1624 01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:57,479 Speaker 1: So uh, this is one of these moments where I 1625 01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,640 Speaker 1: just have to stop and think and think about what 1626 01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:07,439 Speaker 1: is going through the minds of these students now This is, 1627 01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,320 Speaker 1: of course where if I were on CNN, I can 1628 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,160 Speaker 1: play this game. Then they would have Buck Sexton there 1629 01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,320 Speaker 1: talking about how Betsy Devas was booed, which I find 1630 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:21,000 Speaker 1: childish and disrespectful and preposterous on on many levels. Right, 1631 01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,400 Speaker 1: this is your commencement speaker. She hasn't even said anything yet, 1632 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:28,200 Speaker 1: you're booing her. Um. But beyond that, this is where 1633 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,120 Speaker 1: they bring on somebody from CNN or some other liberally like, well, 1634 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:32,880 Speaker 1: I know this is this is it's the right of 1635 01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:37,400 Speaker 1: these students for free speech. Just yeah, I'm not saying 1636 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,559 Speaker 1: that the government should go in there and arrest people 1637 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,640 Speaker 1: or find people, or that they're not allowed to boo. 1638 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,679 Speaker 1: But it's rude to boo a commencement speaker who hasn't 1639 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,639 Speaker 1: even said anything yet. They're booing her from go there, 1640 01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:54,680 Speaker 1: booing her from the start of this whole thing. And 1641 01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:00,160 Speaker 1: she she's at Bethune Cookman University trying to be part 1642 01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,040 Speaker 1: of a of a nice day for everybody there, um, 1643 01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,040 Speaker 1: trying to be part of a celebration. And you know, 1644 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,439 Speaker 1: if I were there, I'd want to be as uh 1645 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:15,719 Speaker 1: open and friendly and and welcoming and you know, cool 1646 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,840 Speaker 1: about everything as I possibly because as well, it's a 1647 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,680 Speaker 1: it's commencement day, right, It's it's a graduation. People are 1648 01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,439 Speaker 1: supposed to be they're supposed to feel good about what 1649 01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:29,599 Speaker 1: they've done, their accomplishments, and these these students at Bethune 1650 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:34,800 Speaker 1: Cookman should have their day. But why why have this 1651 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:40,040 Speaker 1: mark on the day? Why do this? Why make a 1652 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:46,320 Speaker 1: scene about Betsy Divos? Now I can understand if some 1653 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:51,360 Speaker 1: figure in the Trump administration that was a little more well, 1654 01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,240 Speaker 1: I can understand if like Donald Trump was speaking there, 1655 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:57,840 Speaker 1: that they would act that, they would act out, any 1656 01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,360 Speaker 1: students would act out at any university across the country. 1657 01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,280 Speaker 1: I think because they just couldn't help themselves to take 1658 01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:08,479 Speaker 1: the opportunity to stand up against the big, evil fascist 1659 01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,519 Speaker 1: that they've been told Donald Trump is right. I still 1660 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,960 Speaker 1: think that would be disrespectful and childish. Whether it's at 1661 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,679 Speaker 1: whether it's at Harvard, Stanford, Ohio State, or Bethune Cookman 1662 01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:21,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I think you need to be respectful to speakers. 1663 01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,439 Speaker 1: This is also why, as an aside, I don't people 1664 01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,880 Speaker 1: ask me this sometimes, why don't you have on liberals 1665 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,679 Speaker 1: on your show to argue with? And I would say 1666 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm open to it. I invite people to come on, 1667 01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,400 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to invite somebody on to be 1668 01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,160 Speaker 1: a punching bag. And I'm also not going to invite 1669 01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,559 Speaker 1: somebody on who's going to get we're going to be 1670 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,080 Speaker 1: rude and forced me to raise my voice and cut 1671 01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,960 Speaker 1: them off, because I don't think that's good radio. Um. 1672 01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:49,400 Speaker 1: And Also I am a host, and when someone comes 1673 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,040 Speaker 1: into The Freedom Hunt, as I call, but when someone 1674 01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,240 Speaker 1: comes on my show, whether they're a listener who just 1675 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,160 Speaker 1: calls in or invited guests, they are to be treated 1676 01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:02,559 Speaker 1: with respect. I treat every caller with respect because I 1677 01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,360 Speaker 1: think that's the way that I should act, and I 1678 01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:07,320 Speaker 1: also expect that from those who call in as well 1679 01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:11,760 Speaker 1: as from my guests. Um. But they're an invited guest, right. 1680 01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,000 Speaker 1: Anyone who calls into my show is an invited guest. 1681 01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,960 Speaker 1: Anyone who comes in as anyone who I've scheduled, of course, 1682 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,240 Speaker 1: is an invited guest. And the same is true of 1683 01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:23,040 Speaker 1: a commencement speaker, right, whether you love the commencement speaker 1684 01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:29,479 Speaker 1: or not, to to be openly disrespectful to the commencement speaker, 1685 01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,400 Speaker 1: especially with without even way to get she's like, you know, hi, everybody, 1686 01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,240 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you the boom and 1687 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:39,360 Speaker 1: turning around and uh, you know they're really going after 1688 01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:43,759 Speaker 1: her and no looks. She later on said that quote 1689 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,800 Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of higher education and of democracy 1690 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,400 Speaker 1: is the ability to converse with and learn from those 1691 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:51,880 Speaker 1: with whom we disagree. I have respect for all those 1692 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,280 Speaker 1: who attended the commencement, including those who demonstrated their disagreement 1693 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,639 Speaker 1: with me. So a very classy response from Betsy Devace, 1694 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:03,080 Speaker 1: who was a billionaire who just wants to help kids, 1695 01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:08,759 Speaker 1: particularly low income and minority children, get a better education, 1696 01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,719 Speaker 1: get access to a better education. She's not the enemy. 1697 01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,680 Speaker 1: This is why, this is why this is such an 1698 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:19,320 Speaker 1: important story because as you see before I mentioned Trump 1699 01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,360 Speaker 1: or you know, if you're brought in some other figures 1700 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,240 Speaker 1: from the Trump administration. I understand there's intense political disagreement 1701 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,000 Speaker 1: right now. I still think you're respectful to a commencement speaker, 1702 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,280 Speaker 1: but at least you can kind of see how maybe 1703 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,839 Speaker 1: some students would well you understand how they how students 1704 01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,519 Speaker 1: act at all these different campuses, right So, but this 1705 01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:43,080 Speaker 1: is the Education Secretary, and which is a great commenced speaker. 1706 01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,240 Speaker 1: By the way, I think my commencement speaker was Ambassador 1707 01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,960 Speaker 1: Dennis Ross, whom I had actually worked for for a 1708 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,600 Speaker 1: summer and when I went up to him, did not 1709 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,920 Speaker 1: remember me, which was that was good times. I mean, 1710 01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,360 Speaker 1: I think he maybe kind of figured out, but I 1711 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,240 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I was your research intern for a summer. 1712 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,280 Speaker 1: Good you know, and it's just like had no you know, no, 1713 01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,160 Speaker 1: I got nothing from the ambassador nothing. Uh. And then 1714 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:14,320 Speaker 1: we had a college president whose name was Marks, Tony Marks, 1715 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,240 Speaker 1: who gave a speech and my parents, if they were 1716 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, my parents listened to the show, which also 1717 01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:21,439 Speaker 1: I have to be so well, be well behaved whenever 1718 01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,040 Speaker 1: anyone calls in and ma'am and sir and you know, no, no, 1719 01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:29,679 Speaker 1: no bad language, um, Professor Marks or yeah, President Marks, 1720 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,000 Speaker 1: actually President Marks, think about that, not Carl. But President 1721 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,840 Speaker 1: Marks gave a speech about how our university or our college, 1722 01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,720 Speaker 1: Amir's college wasn't uh financially diverse enough. My class was 1723 01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,160 Speaker 1: forty three minority by the way, okay, and but but 1724 01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't financially diverse enough. And I'm saying, I'm like, well, 1725 01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, my parents just you know, opened up a 1726 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,720 Speaker 1: vein to send me here for four years and and 1727 01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,200 Speaker 1: we're getting lectured about how we're not doing you know, 1728 01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,320 Speaker 1: we're not doing enough to make it like we're on 1729 01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:58,960 Speaker 1: the way out. We're trying to get jobs and going 1730 01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,840 Speaker 1: to the world. We have to get lecture about how 1731 01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:05,719 Speaker 1: we fail society because this college that's fifty five thousand 1732 01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,639 Speaker 1: dollars a year, by the way, is not financially diverse enough. 1733 01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,840 Speaker 1: A lot of the students go for free. I was 1734 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,200 Speaker 1: not one of them. Okay, anyway back to Betsy Divas, 1735 01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:21,960 Speaker 1: Why is the Education secretary greeted with booze by students who, 1736 01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:23,639 Speaker 1: as I said, if I were there, I'd be clapping 1737 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,439 Speaker 1: for them and if they'd let me, you know, high 1738 01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,960 Speaker 1: fives and hugs and congrats. Commencement is a day of 1739 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,120 Speaker 1: of joy and everybody should be in a good mood. 1740 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,800 Speaker 1: Why are they booing and turning their backs to the 1741 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,520 Speaker 1: Education secretary? And it's just because of the continued indoctrination 1742 01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:42,000 Speaker 1: that even someone whether you think Betsy Devas in school vouchers, 1743 01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,559 Speaker 1: which is what this really comes down to, the Education 1744 01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,240 Speaker 1: Secretary under Donald Trump right now is a big proponent 1745 01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:51,880 Speaker 1: of vouchers. If you think that's the wrong policy, Okay, 1746 01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,680 Speaker 1: I get it. I disagree. I think it's actually a 1747 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,120 Speaker 1: right policy, and if it was instituted better with other 1748 01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:02,120 Speaker 1: UH school choice options, it could great. Um. But even 1749 01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:03,840 Speaker 1: if you think it's the wrong policy, at least give 1750 01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,200 Speaker 1: the woman the benefit of the doubt for trying to 1751 01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,800 Speaker 1: help people. She's she's not trying to oppress people, you know. 1752 01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:13,040 Speaker 1: I know they can apply intersectionality to all this, which 1753 01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,960 Speaker 1: is really just a fancy way of saying society is 1754 01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:22,599 Speaker 1: just one series of interlocking oppressions and bigotries. That's all. 1755 01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,559 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all American society is is just a 1756 01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:31,320 Speaker 1: nexus of bigotry, oppression, and subservience. And that's intersectionality where class, race, 1757 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:36,280 Speaker 1: and gender all clash. Um. But Devas is trying to 1758 01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,160 Speaker 1: make the world a better place, especially for underprivileged youth, 1759 01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,400 Speaker 1: and I just would think you can I give her 1760 01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:43,880 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. I mean, and look, they 1761 01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,320 Speaker 1: don't have to, I get it right, free speech. But 1762 01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:50,519 Speaker 1: it just shows you how deep the indoctrination goes that 1763 01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,880 Speaker 1: on a day of celebration, when Betsy Divos shows up 1764 01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,880 Speaker 1: at a historically black college UH at Bethune Cookman in 1765 01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,479 Speaker 1: good faith, she's getting booed. Why is she getting booed, 1766 01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:04,599 Speaker 1: not because she's a bad person, not because she's done 1767 01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:09,320 Speaker 1: anything wrong, because she supports a policy that students at 1768 01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,360 Speaker 1: this college and at colleges across the country have been 1769 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,599 Speaker 1: led to believe undermines the public school system. And why 1770 01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:16,679 Speaker 1: is that such a big deal. We only the public 1771 01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,639 Speaker 1: school system fails all over the place in tons of cases, 1772 01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,280 Speaker 1: But the public school system is, especially with its public 1773 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:28,960 Speaker 1: sector unions, a centerpiece of Democrat power. So there has 1774 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,519 Speaker 1: to be any time the democrats power is at risk, 1775 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,519 Speaker 1: there has to be brainwashing. There has to be, you know, 1776 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,800 Speaker 1: shouting down of the opposition. And that's how you get 1777 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,640 Speaker 1: poor Petsy Divos just showing up trying to give a 1778 01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:45,120 Speaker 1: nice little speech and getting booed and heckled and treated 1779 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,120 Speaker 1: so poorly. Alrighthad a break here will be right back. 1780 01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,080 Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out 1781 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,360 Speaker 1: with Team Buck anytime. Plus get Buck's latest news and analysis. 1782 01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:59,280 Speaker 1: Go to Buck Sexton dot com. That's Buck Sexton dot com. 1783 01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:03,559 Speaker 1: The Buck gets Back. Welcome back, team. A little follow 1784 01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:07,400 Speaker 1: up to the campus craziness story that we've been following 1785 01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:11,160 Speaker 1: here on the show for quite a while, and it's 1786 01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:17,360 Speaker 1: about Charles Murray. You will recall Charles Murray is an academic. Uh, 1787 01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:23,519 Speaker 1: not a right wing bomb thrower, not somebody who mixes 1788 01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:27,719 Speaker 1: it up and likes to enrage students with what could 1789 01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:33,360 Speaker 1: be considered more more aggressive commentary. No, he's an academic. 1790 01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:37,120 Speaker 1: He's attached to the American Enterprise Institute. But he's written 1791 01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:43,360 Speaker 1: on some subject matter that gets uh leftists very upset. 1792 01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,719 Speaker 1: He's written on i Q, which is is an area 1793 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:50,679 Speaker 1: of scientific inquiry that is more or less off limits now, 1794 01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:54,720 Speaker 1: I should note because of the politics around it. Uh. 1795 01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:59,360 Speaker 1: And he's also written read more recently about the social 1796 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,720 Speaker 1: stratification in this country in a book called Coming Apart. Well, Well, 1797 01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:06,559 Speaker 1: he went to Middlebury Campus a while ago, and he 1798 01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:12,439 Speaker 1: came up against that leftist insanity that's been seeing so 1799 01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:17,040 Speaker 1: many times before, where they believe his speech is violence, 1800 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:22,080 Speaker 1: or it's tantamount to violence, it's epistemic violence. Uh. That 1801 01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:28,240 Speaker 1: his ideas are so dangerous and evil and scary that 1802 01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,639 Speaker 1: students believe that they have a right to not just 1803 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,719 Speaker 1: shout him down, or stand in protests during the speech, 1804 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:41,080 Speaker 1: or or stand outside with placards, but to physically stop 1805 01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:44,679 Speaker 1: the speech, to shut down a live stream to pull 1806 01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:49,560 Speaker 1: fire alarms. Uh, similar tactics that have been seen elsewhere 1807 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,080 Speaker 1: on campuses when there's a conservative speaker who is trying 1808 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:57,519 Speaker 1: to be heard. Uh. And what made Middlebury particularly bad 1809 01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,519 Speaker 1: of these cases? And remember, this is a pretty small, 1810 01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,360 Speaker 1: otherwise sleepy school in Vermont, and it's in the same 1811 01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,519 Speaker 1: sports league that my alma mater, Amorus College, is in, 1812 01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:13,280 Speaker 1: And you wouldn't think that this is the kind of 1813 01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,840 Speaker 1: environment where you might come across what was a small 1814 01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:21,200 Speaker 1: scale riot because of a speaker coming to this bucolic, 1815 01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:29,360 Speaker 1: otherwise picturesque, little New England campus. And they had dozens 1816 01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:33,600 Speaker 1: of people that surrounded Charles Murray and also a professor 1817 01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,880 Speaker 1: when he tried to exit the building where the speech 1818 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,400 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen. They injured the professor. Uh. There 1819 01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:42,240 Speaker 1: was pushing, there was an assault. They also banged on 1820 01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:45,680 Speaker 1: the car windows, wouldn't let them drive away. Acted like 1821 01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:51,160 Speaker 1: these students acted like a bunch of little savages, a 1822 01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:56,000 Speaker 1: bunch of anti speech book burning barbarians. And one of 1823 01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,200 Speaker 1: the things about this that got attention from me and 1824 01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,080 Speaker 1: from others is there were like no consequences for this. 1825 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:07,040 Speaker 1: It's as though nobody really cared that this college had 1826 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:11,479 Speaker 1: abandoned one of its core precepts of well, what should 1827 01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:15,240 Speaker 1: be a core and fundamental precepts on a college campus, 1828 01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:19,720 Speaker 1: which is free and open inquiry, the exchange of ideas learning, 1829 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,040 Speaker 1: that's what you're supposed to do on campus. And if 1830 01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:26,800 Speaker 1: you can't hear perspectives that are outside of what you're 1831 01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:30,000 Speaker 1: comfortable with, how can you really learn? How can you 1832 01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:33,960 Speaker 1: even consider yourself to be educated on a topic? I 1833 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,320 Speaker 1: think this also, and this is a bit of an aside, 1834 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:41,200 Speaker 1: and I'll get back to the Middlebury Middlebury Melee update here. Um. 1835 01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:47,479 Speaker 1: I think the part of why you see such babyishness, uh, 1836 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,040 Speaker 1: this babyish attitude from progressives where they where they truly 1837 01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:56,160 Speaker 1: act out, is because in many cases they go from 1838 01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,680 Speaker 1: uh public schools or or private schools, doesn't matter. But 1839 01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:04,400 Speaker 1: they go from a school environment in primary school up 1840 01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:09,160 Speaker 1: through high school where they're just always having the progressive 1841 01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:13,439 Speaker 1: left ideology infused in their day to day. Uh, they 1842 01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,800 Speaker 1: are supported in their beliefs with this, there's no real 1843 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,560 Speaker 1: diversity of thought. They go into college where it is 1844 01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,760 Speaker 1: just hardened, where it where it ossifies, where all of 1845 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,439 Speaker 1: a sudden, Uh, not only is it something that comes 1846 01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,080 Speaker 1: across in the curriculum, but it's in their social lives, 1847 01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:33,600 Speaker 1: it's in their dorms, it's everywhere. You have this progressive 1848 01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,680 Speaker 1: orthodoxy that you have to accept and become a part of, 1849 01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:40,800 Speaker 1: or else you not only run the risk of bad 1850 01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:45,880 Speaker 1: grades from teachers and even discipline from deans if you 1851 01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,400 Speaker 1: do certain things that college conservatives, for example, I've done 1852 01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,280 Speaker 1: in the past. You know, if they try an affirmative action, 1853 01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:55,160 Speaker 1: bake sale. These are some of the technics that have 1854 01:51:55,360 --> 01:52:00,960 Speaker 1: gotten schools to shut down speech um or or take 1855 01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,799 Speaker 1: measures against those who want to engage in free speech. 1856 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,360 Speaker 1: But I think the progressive left, he is, they're so 1857 01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:12,519 Speaker 1: not used to engaging with ideas. They're so used to 1858 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,040 Speaker 1: their ideas being coddled and supported and oh, you're so 1859 01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,960 Speaker 1: smart and everything you think is great, that there's a 1860 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,240 Speaker 1: real cognitive distance for them. I mean, there's a real 1861 01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:27,759 Speaker 1: that there's an abrupt recognition of a reality outside of 1862 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:32,960 Speaker 1: what has been groomed and prepared and laid out for 1863 01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:36,000 Speaker 1: them over many, many years. So it's shocking to them. 1864 01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:38,519 Speaker 1: It really unsettles them. This is by no means an 1865 01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,160 Speaker 1: excuse for it, but it's just I think that's part 1866 01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:44,160 Speaker 1: of the mentality. And this is also true in newsrooms 1867 01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,000 Speaker 1: I've been in. Not going to name names, but this 1868 01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:50,640 Speaker 1: is true of people I know who work in media 1869 01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,280 Speaker 1: on the left, which is most people. You go into 1870 01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,200 Speaker 1: certain websites and there you go into their newsroom. You're 1871 01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,240 Speaker 1: going to their main office, and if you started bandying 1872 01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,519 Speaker 1: about some concern of it, of ideas, they would act 1873 01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,040 Speaker 1: like you were walking around there totally naked trying to 1874 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:10,439 Speaker 1: start a fire. You know that, what is this guy doing? Well? Ideas? 1875 01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,080 Speaker 1: I thought we'd do ideas here. But anyway, back to 1876 01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:15,880 Speaker 1: back to Middlebury UM, they are announcing they've announced some 1877 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:22,040 Speaker 1: disciplinary actions UM against uh. IT disciplined more than thirty 1878 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:26,160 Speaker 1: students last month, and now there are sixty students total 1879 01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,960 Speaker 1: who have received college discipline that might might leave a 1880 01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:34,360 Speaker 1: permanent mark in some cases on their record. I feel 1881 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,160 Speaker 1: like if there were any suspensions or expulsions, there clearly 1882 01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:39,320 Speaker 1: no expulsions, we'd hear about that. But even if there 1883 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,960 Speaker 1: were suspensions, we would know. So this is just a 1884 01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:44,680 Speaker 1: letter in your file that I'm sure you don't have 1885 01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:50,120 Speaker 1: to show to prospective employers. UH. This is window dressing 1886 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:55,600 Speaker 1: and that you don't see professors at Middlebury at Berkeley 1887 01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:58,519 Speaker 1: on college campuses that have nothing to do even with 1888 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,720 Speaker 1: what's going on on some of these other their campuses 1889 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,559 Speaker 1: that you don't see professors standing up for free speech 1890 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,680 Speaker 1: and sending up for the exchange of ideas tells you 1891 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,799 Speaker 1: a lot about the culture in college life more broadly 1892 01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:14,839 Speaker 1: and in academia. So today Middlebury's disciplining kids, but it's nothing, 1893 01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,679 Speaker 1: nothing particularly robust. I could promise you that. Please check 1894 01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,920 Speaker 1: out buck sexton dot com. 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