WEBVTT - A Walk to Remember with Sam Varela 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.560 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.879 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy Zef and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.760 Best start changing it with the beck Del cast. Caitlin, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:24.360 I just wish that Jamie got her miracle? Are you 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.960 talking about you, Jamie? I'm talking about or I'm talking 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.400 about Jamie Sullivan, Jamie, you know, the one with the 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.720 brown hair. Okay, so you. I hope that she got 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.479 her miracle. I hope that Jamie got her miracle too, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.560 and I'm talking about you specifically. Well she did, it's you. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:52.800 I'm your miracle. Oh my god. I this I liked, Okay, 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.280 of all that, there's so many corny moments in A 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.600 Walk to Remember, which is today's episode, and we'll get 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.240 to what this show is in a second. But I 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.840 really some of the like flourish of bad writing, where 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.040 there's like moments in this movie where the line is like, Okay, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.199 that's like corny, but it's not bad. But then they'll 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.360 add more to the line and it gets worse, like 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.759 they could the priest should have just said she did, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.840 but then he said she did dot dot dot and 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.560 like assuming. People in the audience were like, what does 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.920 he mean by that? Because it was you? And and 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:31.479 then Shane west cost Oh it was me. It was me, Okay, me, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.640 And that's why I'm never going to stop going to church. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:41.720 Welcome to the Bachtel cast a k A church. Uh, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:47.960 my name's Jamie Church Church. Oh God, just for for 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.880 one week only. Welcome to the Bechtel Church. My name 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.760 is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Darante. And this 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.600 is our little podcast where we we talked about your 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.760 favorite at least favorite and also other movies using an 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:10.079 intersectional feminist lens, and we use the Bechtel test as 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.920 a jumping off point. It initiates a larger conversation that 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:20.840 will have and the Bechdel Test, of course, is a 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:26.440 media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:32.359 the Bechtel Wallace Test. Our variation on the test requires 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:38.120 that two people of any marginalized gender have names speak 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.080 to each other about something other than a man. For 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:49.320 ideally it's a meaningful, narratively relevant conversation yea which which 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.600 does come into play with this movie in particular, where 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.880 not to blow it. But there are women do speak 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.080 to each other in this movie, but it's never very important. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.639 It's not very important when they're talking, unless I mean 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.760 they're bullying Mandy Moore. The women are talking to each other, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.160 they're like, Mandy Moore sucks, and then other girls like, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.960 I know, I hate her sweater, and you're like, I 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.560 guess that's sort of Narratively, it's relevant. I suppose it is. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.080 It's relevant because but also for some reason, bullying doesn't 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:29.880 affect Jamie, because Jamie's are famously impervious to bully. I 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.280 know this from experience, having constantly tried to bully you, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.600 and it never works. I always just go I do 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.560 with Mandy Mordez, I guess I go, they're so mature, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.440 they need God. That's what I do whenever someone tries 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.400 to bully me. I said, you should come to my 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:48.840 dad's church sometime. Yeah. Well, we're doing a walk to 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.200 remember today and we have an incredible guest. That's right. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.880 She is a comedy producer. You can see her stuff 0:03:54.920 --> 0:04:00.600 at Naked Comedy dot org. It's Sam Farella. Welcome, Welcome, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.840 Welcome to me. I don't want to spoil anything either, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.040 but I do have to say, I think I think 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.360 there was one instance of the bully, of the of 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.440 Jamie being cracked by the bullying, which might also be 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.719 something relative to the name of this podcast. That's true. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.880 That is true there because Belinda, I believe this movie. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.800 This movie is so like it's just like bizarre in 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.600 so many ways where I it's the book takes place 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.760 in the nineteen fifties. The movie takes place allegedly in 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.480 the nineteen nineties, but it seems like it's still Everyone 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.080 still looks like it's the nineteen fifties. Everyone's still dressed 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.400 like Greaser's but they have Missy Elliott c ds. It 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.159 was really bizarre, But yeah, there was. There was a 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.920 Becktel test pass where Belinda says want a tik tak 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:59.039 and Jamie says, no, thanks. There it is right there. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.719 It is it. If you argue that's not impactful, I 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.200 have an whole essay high completely. This is one of 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.520 those movies that I just simply forgot to pay attention 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.760 to whether or not it passes the Bechdel test. But 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.520 I do remember that exchange, and it's it's crucial to 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.359 understanding the film. Right before some very two thousand and 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:26.040 two photoshop bullying, which is one which is one of 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.600 the main which I think is one of again one 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.920 of the only things that firmly roots that movie in 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.240 the late nineties, because I swear to God, like I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.800 think most of the movie could convincingly take place in 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.919 any year in the second half, any decade of the 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.880 twentieth century, except they have photoshop, and they have switch 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:53.159 Foot and they have like that's about it, right, Oh 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.280 my gosh, Well I this movie. I'm gonna this is 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.400 gonna be a challenge. Uh Sam, what is your history 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.159 with a walk to remember? Well, I have a very 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:11.520 particular history. That is that I this movie I think 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.039 was one of my first boyfriend's favorite movies. I think 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.880 he was the one that brought it to me, brought 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.479 it to the table, and you know, in high school 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:26.760 seduction classic move I of course memorized only hope and 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.000 saying it I think a few times, you know, to 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:37.040 get in the mood. It's very complicated. I have a 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:43.040 complicated romantic past. But um, definitely on the rewatch, you know, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.720 toxic Romance definitely made a lot more sense to my 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.800 personal connection to this movie. So you would sing, wait, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:07:04.400 how does the song go and my hands and pray 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:11.280 to be only yours. I pray to be only yours. No, no, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:21.120 you're oh, oh my god beautiful. If I ever had 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.120 an SNL audition, it would be that one song, because 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.120 I rememorized it that like, I've taken singing lessons since 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.240 and tried to learn to sing that song, and they're 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.320 like pointing out the issues. I'm like, but that's how 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.360 Mandy Moore sings it. That's how I know how to 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.920 sing it. That is the beauty of Mandy Moore in 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.960 many ways, where she was a pop star who was 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.200 not necessarily a great singer, but she was like a 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.680 solid high school sopranos, so her songs are like not 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.560 hard to sing if you were in choir, Like anyone 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.440 in choire can sing Mandy Moore's entire discography no problem. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.240 Though I didn't know till this one, and my you know, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.200 subsequential obsession of googling a bunch of stuff. I didn't 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.800 know that. I didn't know the Switchfoot story, and I 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.360 didn't know this was originally a switch Foot song, which 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.800 really blew my mind. It sounds weird. If you wait, yeah, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.400 you would guess it's the other way around. They're covering her, 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.760 but no, no, she's covering them. Who is switch Foot? 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.920 What is that? Are they of? Like for real Christian 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.920 band or they This was one of my googles. So 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.680 they have come out as they are Christian and Faith 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.360 not in format. They are not. They do not consider 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.400 themselves Christian music. But it's highly debated online. But Faith 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.200 not in format. Wow, that's good dodgy language. I like that. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.440 But I guess Mandy Moore was obsessed with them and 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:55.679 turned the music supervisor of this production onto them, and 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.000 they were like, we gotta have switch Foot. This is 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.160 the sound of the movie. So there's four or five 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.880 songs from Switchfoot on the soundtrack, which in an interview 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.360 so that I watched again, I went real deep. Shane 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.800 West said it might have gone platinum the album for this. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.960 I don't know if that's true. I couldn't um, but yeah, 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.400 so I guess Only Hope was a song that they 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.520 had written even before the movie. This was just a 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.200 song of theirs and they were like, that's her song 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.240 for the movie. So at least if you hear a 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.080 man singing it, it does read more Christian than in 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.200 this movie where It is like some sort of sexual 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:40.600 power play song. Also, the song gets performed in its 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.240 entirety in the movie during a high school production of 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:50.559 like twenties Mobster. What is that play about? What's going 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.600 on in that play? Why would you sing that at 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.000 a nightclub? Right? I went back to like rewatch the 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.319 set uppre scene, and I still can't make answer tells 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.240 of what sets up that song or why this mobster 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.600 would be her only hope. I he was trying to 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.000 remember a dream and then he got shocked by her 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.719 body and then he just was like the song you 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:19.760 messing for me? Yeah? Blew, my mind doesn't make any sense. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.560 I don't know what the play is about. There's a 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.600 really long montage also where they're rehearsing for the play 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.200 that's like edited in a way where you're like, what 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:36.199 on earth am I watching? So? Yeah, the play is confusing. Okay, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.280 So Sam, you have a you have a maybe a 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:44.360 torrid history with this film, Jamie, what's your relationship in 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.000 history with it? Um? It's not quite that level, but 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:53.440 it's pretty intense where this I I loved this movie 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.880 when I was a kid. I don't think I saw 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:00.600 it in theaters, but there. I remember my cousin telling me, 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.040 which is in retrospect, it was like, this was not nice. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.680 She was like, she's like, Mandy Moore is in a 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.000 movie and she has your name, and she has the 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.960 same color hair as you. You have to see it. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.320 What she did not say is that she dies there, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.920 so so she and so I guess if you haven't 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.560 seen A Walk to remember, Mandy Moore famously dies in 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.440 the movie. But I but I remember like going to 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.160 the movie not being like whenever like nine, not realizing 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.319 that Mandy Moore was doomed, and being like, oh my god, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.520 this is so me. I'm not like the other girls. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.280 My name is Jamie, I have brown hair. And then 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.240 in the like when it becomes clear that she's doomed, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.960 I was like, this sucks. No one's ever no one's 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.319 And then I've really turned on the movie hard. I 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.200 was like, why would you have why would this be 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.520 the only movie character named after me? And then she 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:56.319 dies that said, I really I've seen this movie. I 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.720 haven't seen it in easily ten years, but I saw 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:03.680 it a lot when I was younger. It's like, oh, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.640 I I really I feel like this movie. I was like, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:12.080 not raised particularly religious at all, Like we went to church, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.800 but it just felt like, I don't know, it was 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.760 I didn't grow up especially religious, and once I was 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.760 like twelve, we just were like, well, I feel like 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.240 we've done the whole religion thing and we left. But 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:30.280 this was as close to being religious as I ever got. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.360 Was being like A Walk to Remember is a really 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.640 powerful story, you know, like it I really loved. I 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.800 had a huge crush on Mandy Moore and Shane West 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.640 and I just I really and oh oh. The other 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.400 thing about this movie was that when I was little, 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.960 I had like a one of those pull out of 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.160 a magazine posters of Mandy Moore, and I forgot I 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.480 feel like I might have brought this up on the 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.560 show years ago, but I had this poster of Mandy 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.360 Moore hanging in my room and I thought that she 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.760 could see me and watch me, and I was so 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.480 scared of the poster. So this would be in that 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.480 time too, where I was like I was, I loved 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.040 Mandy Moore and I wanted her on my wall, but 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:15.840 I also was really scared of her because I thought 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.840 she knew what I what I was doing amazing, And 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.600 so eventually my mom took the poster down and I 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.240 got mad, but she was just like, let's end this, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.880 Mandy Moore can't see you. It was it must have 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.360 been one of those like bizarre pictures where it just 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.679 like it. I felt like the eyes were following me. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.040 That was the thing. It was like a Mona Lisa 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.920 kind of thing. Um, so maybe Moore is my Mona Lisa. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.440 That's my history with the movie, Caitlin, with your history 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.120 with a walk to remember, I don't have an extensive one. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.000 This movie came out when I was a sophomore or 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.280 junior in high school sometime around then, so I was 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.920 like peak demographic for this movie. But this was also 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:07.120 when I was very firmly like I don't like girl things, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.920 no things. So this movie came out and it was 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.760 a huge hit among my friends, and I saw it 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:19.120 because of that. Probably it's like a sleepover or just 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.080 I don't know. We're hanging out and we watched it 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.560 and I was like, this movie is not for me. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.640 And that was really the only time I saw it. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:34.640 Part of Stone, I am my truly. My heart is 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.440 a lump of coal in my chest, and I have 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.400 no feelings. I'm sure I was like moved by it, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:47.200 but I don't know this. That's my history with it 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.480 that I was like, Okay, this movie exists, I'll watch 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.960 it once in two thousand two and then never again. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:59.600 So but watching it back was interesting, and I will 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:04.280 say that it is while it's still has its issues, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.280 it's less full of issues than I thought it would 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.240 be for a teen movie that comes out in two 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.120 thousand two, I would agree with that. Yeah, it had 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.760 it held up better than I was expecting, which isn't 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.280 to say that it super holds up, but it for 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.680 what it was. Where I like Christian E teen movie 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.240 Nicholas Sparks early two thousand's, you would think that it 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.720 would be much worse than it actually did. I think 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.000 this is my favorite of the Nicholas Sparks adaptations I've seen. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:36.400 This remains my favorite one. I um took it upon 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.120 myself to just here's what I'll suggests the listeners do 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:46.800 google Nicholas Sparks movies, and I think like eleven different 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.800 things come up because he's had many adaptations of his 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.440 novels into movies, and all of the posters will just 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.640 like be right there in front of you all side 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:02.240 by side every poster is identical. Wait, this is funny. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.360 You can also google the Nicholas Sparks collection that just 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.840 has all four has like four matching posters as its cover. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.000 Two straight white people with their heads really close together. Yes, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.640 either facing away from each other or facing towards each other. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.840 Like some of them they're like face to face. Other 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.160 ones like the man is behind the woman. They're all 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.320 in some kind of like warm pink or yellow. A 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.040 lot of heads are being grabbed to a lot of 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.080 grabbing of heads. Richard Gear is grabbing Diane Lane's head 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.960 for Knights of Road, Danty. He's like like a real vice. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.520 Same thing with safe Haven, which is I think Josh Dumel, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.560 And then I don't know who the lady, who the 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.440 woman is in it. I don't know what half of 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.640 these are. Yeah, I don't know safe Haven. I don't 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.480 know the best of Me. I don't know the Lucky One. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.720 I don't know the longest ride these there's so many. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.080 I've seen the Lucky One because I will watch to 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.720 anything that zac Efron is in. Do you guys know 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.480 if the other Nicholas Sparks movies are as religious? I 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.480 couldn't get a clear answer on the Internet. I think 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.480 it's not really because I've I've seen probably half of 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.840 these and the only one I've seen multiple times is 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.639 The Notebook and now A Walk to Remember. But of 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.680 the other ones, I think they're not. The religious over 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.120 or undertones are not quite there the way they are 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.200 in the Walk to Remember, at least for the ones 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.320 I've seen. I kind of wonder where that comes from, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.200 like because I don't I might have read the book 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.680 when I was in like junior high or something. I 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.840 don't remember anything about it. I know a lot was changed, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.159 but I wonder if like the book is as like 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.520 bonking you with the like have faith in people message, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.440 because I know that she was religious the person that's 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.760 based off of, and she did have a Bible she 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.240 gave away kind of thing. But I tried all the Googles. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.040 I couldn't find anything to be like, why is this 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.600 movie so not just religio just but like like it's 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.560 hammering you with the moral elements of religion. I was like, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:09.000 who paid for this? Like what's happening? Well? I did 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.800 a like google of Nicholas Sparks and his life to 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.280 see if there's been anything of note, and it seems 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.480 like he personally is quite religious and founded a Christian 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.200 school which tried to form an l g B t 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:31.480 Q club, which he then tried to ban, know what, Yeah, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.600 and then students were protesting that, and then he banned 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:39.240 the protests of it, so like he can't ban protests. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:44.240 What did you see his quote about it? Yeah? Oh 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.800 my god. And then sometime later he backtracked on all 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.679 this and he's like, no, wait, I'm an ally, and 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.440 the reason that my school has no diversity in it 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.320 doesn't have anything to do with the school. It's these 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.320 other flimsy reasons. So he like saying all this problematic 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.440 stuff in like I don't know or something, and then 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.160 he's walked it all back and been like no, no, no, 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.000 I'm actually an ally. Please let me still have a career. Like, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.840 but did you see the quote where he was like, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.560 we don't need this. He was the reason he said 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.720 the reason he banned those organizations was because essentially it 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.000 was we don't need these out and open these kind 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.879 of clubs like they have always been gays in Catholicism. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.159 They just handled it more delicately and like that was 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.520 his stance on it was like, stay in the closet 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.240 and we'll all get along. Yikes, that's such horseshit, especially 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.600 because it's like this, this movie is directed by an 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.520 openly gay man who was openly gay at the time 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.160 the movie was directed. I believe, like it's like, yeah, god, 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.639 that's so. I mean, I guess I'm not surprised that 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:55.080 Nicholas Sparks fucking sucks, but I did not know that 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.800 portion of his life. That's horrible. Yeah, his his history 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.919 isn't great, but now he's an ally so everything's fine. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.159 All's well, that ends Well, we just need a movie 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.400 poster of like the same sex couple holding their heads. Yeah, 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.560 we need we need someone grabbing someone else's head. Um, 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.320 but it's a queer movie this time. That'll fix everything. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.119 That one everything, You know what would really fix everything? 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.000 If we gave Nicholas Sparked more money. I think that 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.800 would fix everything. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Why don't we 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.919 take a quick break and then come back and do 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:44.320 the recap and we're back. Okay, all right, so let's 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.639 shall we shall we get into it. Let's get into it. 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:53.399 So we meet Landon Carter. That's Shane West. He's with 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.280 his friends, who are these popular kids who are mean, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.320 and Landon gets in trouble after a classmate of theirs 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.240 gets hurt because of a prank all the popular kids 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.320 pulled on him, brutal. Just quick quick reminder at the top, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.880 Shane West is a stage name. Shane West's actual name 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.720 is Shannon Bruce Snaith. I did not know that. It's 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:23.520 one of my favorite celebrity facts is his name is 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.440 Shannon Snaith, And so they were like, that's not gonna work. 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:29.639 We need I think it would be fun if he 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.840 was just allowed to be Shannon Snaith. I also think 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.840 I wonder if anyone else picked up on this, or 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.600 if I'm just being tall girl syndrome. I also think 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:43.520 that Shane West is shorter than Mandy Moore. His height 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.359 fluctuates throughout the movie, and I think that the movie 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.480 does not like the movie is very rigid and its values. 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.080 And I think that they also must have said, we 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.199 can't have a male lead who is shorter than our 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:01.280 female lead due to societal pressures, because anymore is five ten. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:07.960 Shane West is six ft allegedly, but but that's impossible 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.720 because he's shorter than her in anything where you can 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.840 see his feet, he is shorter than her. Any scene 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.920 where you cannot see his feet, he is taller than her, 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:21.080 meaning that he's wearing some sort of acting shoes acting 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.720 shoes or they they stuck him on like an apple box? 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:26.640 Is that what those are called? And yeah, you want 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.080 to go rewatch the dance scene. It's the dancing where 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.960 it's most obvious because she's teaching him how to dance, 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.440 and you're like, oh, he's shorter than her. I never 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.560 see that in movies. Why didn't I notice that? And 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.359 then it cuts to the next scene and he's taller 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:40.760 than her in the next scene, and I was like, 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.600 why can't men just be five seven? Sometimes it's fine, relax, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.800 So I'm sorry I have so many deep dive facts. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.960 But fun fact, along with other parts of this set, 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.440 a lot of the sets were from like Dawson's Creek 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.359 and other highly popular areas or a filming zone. But 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.760 so whatever that water basins that they did this first 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.720 prank at, apparently it was full of like algae and 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.680 eels and they had scula divers clearing the water for 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.840 the stunt. So like, just to put us in Shane 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.640 West and whoever that guy's names had. They're diving and 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:22.640 swimming and eels, their belly flopping straight into an eel. Holy, 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.920 that is dangerous. Once you I, I did know about 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:32.240 the Dawson's Creek stuff, and like, once you've I watched 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.280 two seasons of that when I was sick, like two 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.080 years ago, And once you know it's the same high school, 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.040 you can't unsee it. You're like, oh, I've I've seen 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:48.320 drama in these halls before. Okay, So then we meet 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:53.200 Jamie Sullivan, who is Mandy Moore. She's very religious, her 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.320 father is a reverend. She sings in the church choir, 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:03.240 the whole thing. She is also popular, unlike Landon Carter, 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:08.840 and she gets mocked by Landon's friends because she's not 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.359 stylish and she wears the same sweater every day, which 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.479 is also for one of the that was from the 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.880 real person. Okay, so the real person is based off 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:23.720 of Nicholas Sparks's sister, right, Yes, who in my favorite 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:30.000 power move never read his book. It did. Yeah, she 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.200 said she didn't want to know how it ended, which 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.000 I feel like he took as a sweet sentiment and 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.120 I took as a burn she's just like, um, look, 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.640 I've only got so much time and I'm not wasting it. Yeah, 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.600 I thought it was. I didn't realize. This was my 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.080 first time realizing that it was at least based on 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:52.080 a true story. But there are deviations where I believe 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:56.880 his sister was thirty when she passed away, and then 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.360 in the book, I guess that it's not specified that 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.560 Jamie eyes that. It's just it says. This is what 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.119 the Wikipedia page says. I'm like, I don't really know 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:10.480 what this means, but it said that it is ambiguous 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.080 whether Jamie died or simply disappeared into the shadow world. 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.360 Now I don't know what hang on, wait, wait, hang on, Now, 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:24.240 that is not unlike the ending of Titanic, where Rose 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.760