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Speaker 1: I just wish that Jamie got her miracle? Are you

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Speaker 1: Walk to Remember, which is today's episode, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm never going to stop going to church.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bachtel cast a k A church. Uh,

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Speaker 1: my name's Jamie Church Church. Oh God, just for for

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Speaker 1: one week only. Welcome to the Bechtel Church. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Darante. And this

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Speaker 1: is our little podcast where we we talked about your

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Speaker 1: remember today and we have an incredible guest. That's right.

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Speaker 1: She is a comedy producer. You can see her stuff

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Speaker 1: at Naked Comedy dot org. It's Sam Farella. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to me. I don't want to spoil anything either,

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Speaker 1: Shane West. But I was the whole Both times I

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00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: rewatched this movie to prep for this episode, I was like,

426
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, am I just watching Edward Cullen right now.

427
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: The resemblance is simply uncanny. True, I see it anyway. So,

428
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: because Landon has gotten in trouble for this prank, he

429
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: has to do a bunch of community service, which includes

430
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: tutoring underprivileged students at a nearby sychool. Yeah yeah, yeah,

431
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the coding there is yikes. And then also he has

432
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: to participate in the school play, which he gets cast

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00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: as like the lead of. And I'm just like, you know,

434
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: when you're in trouble with the law and your punishment

435
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: is to be the lead in a high school theater production,

436
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: which also, like, aside from the fact that that is

437
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: completely absurd and like it just makes no sense. On

438
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: top of that, that sucks for all the theater kids

439
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: who told in the first scene it's like, oh, they're

440
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: really into it. Like it's not like they're desperate for

441
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: people to audition for this part. There's a room full

442
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: of people who want this part, and they're like, no,

443
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: Shane West, you have to do a really bad job

444
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: as punishment, Like why does everyone need to suffer through

445
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: Shannon Snaith's acting, Because like he committed a crime, he

446
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: also committed a crime, didn't you guys? Have that um

447
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: drama teacher who she cast her children as. All the stars.

448
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not that uncommon for school the

449
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: high school theater to be corrupted by those in power.

450
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: I had we had, like our our high school drama

451
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: instructor with like cast football players to like try to

452
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: get to like yeah, yeah, I mean like that. That

453
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: is like definitely, at least in my experience, something that

454
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: happens Jamie. That is what happened in this movie right

455
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: right there, just like oh, jocks, you get to cut

456
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: the line in every area of life apparently, and it's well, okay,

457
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: I guess the rest of us will just die. I

458
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I like that. In the play, Mandy Moore, Moore is

459
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: wearing a prom dress underneath a trench coat. What an

460
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: interesting reveal. That wasn't a trench coat, that was like

461
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: a cult coat. That was a cloaked like weird ass

462
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: CULTI cloak, and underneath it it's like a two thousand

463
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: and two prom dress and you're just like, all right,

464
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: oh gosh. So Jamie is also involved in these activities,

465
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: so she and Landon keep running into each other, and

466
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: one day she gives him a ride home after the

467
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: school play rehearsal. She tells him about this to do

468
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: list that she has, but she won't tell him what

469
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: number one on the list is. Then he wants her

470
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: to help him run lines for the play and she's like, okay,

471
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I'll help, but you have to promise not to fall

472
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: in love with me. Oh my god. Okay. That that

473
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: really sent me back because I think that that was

474
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever heard that line in a movie,

475
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: even though it's in so many movies, And it's the

476
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: funniest thing anyone can say to another person because how

477
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: many if people have said that in real life, how

478
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: many times has the other person actually been interested in them?

479
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: I feel like zero. That's gonna be a really funny

480
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: bit that I'm going to start doing where a friends

481
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: just like, Hey, I haven't seen you in a while.

482
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to go get coffee? And I'll be like, okay,

483
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: but you have to promise not to fall in off

484
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: with him. Oh my god. She said. There are parts

485
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: of JV's character that I don't like, dislike, but they

486
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: feel a little dissonant where she's like made out to

487
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: be like, oh, she's like a misfit, but she acts

488
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: with such confidence in moments like that where I'm like

489
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: this is cool girl ship, Like what's going on where

490
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: like I feel like the like uncooled girl at school

491
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: doesn't say you have to promise not to fall in

492
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: love with me, but I appreciate that she does. She

493
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: takes a stand for all uncool girls. And I'm sure

494
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: that at least one person who saw that movie who

495
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: wasn't cool then said that at school and humiliated themselves.

496
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: So I know that they made a really big effort

497
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: to avoid like some character tropes, um specifically the glasses.

498
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: They insisted no glasses. Yeah, I just feel like her

499
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: charisma is like the taking off of the glasses, like

500
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: whenever she turned, whenever she's like unusually flirty for this

501
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: like Bible girl, it's like, okay, that's the glasses coming off, right.

502
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: And I don't dislike that she is confident in herself.

503
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: It just like I guess maybe it was just like, oh,

504
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have expected like the least cool girl at

505
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: school to be like fuck you and then or like

506
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: or like on the date where she they have that

507
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: like erotic temporary tattoo moment that I totally forgot about,

508
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: like Titanic hot car scene, hot Carr, the Christian version

509
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: of the Titanic scene where they're like, it's temporary. It's temporary.

510
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: He's going to blow on it, but he's not touching her.

511
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: When he blows on it, it's hot. It is hot

512
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: when he blows on the temporary tattoo. Okay anyway, So

513
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: she's like, don't fall in love with me, and he's like, yeah, right,

514
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: that won't be a problem, and then they start running

515
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: lines together at her house. Her dad, by the way,

516
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: does not like this landing fellow. No um, Also, isn't

517
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: it it's Peter Coyote too, Yes, who I like sometimes

518
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: learn who that is and then I promptly forget. He's

519
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: an iconic. I feel like he's he has that experience

520
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot. He's just a famous character actor. He is

521
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: an ET. He's in He's in a lot of ship.

522
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: He's an Aaron Brockovich. He's in all sorts of ship.

523
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: And then you see him, you're like, oh, that guy. Anyways. Also,

524
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: Landon's mom is played by Daryl Hannah in the worst

525
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: way I've ever seen in my life. By the way,

526
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: you read the Wikipedia, you saw the savage commentary on her. Yeah,

527
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: then wait about her that she got like lip injections

528
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: and that whole thing, and they're really focused on her wig.

529
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: They really well because it's I saw like a bunch

530
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: of different explanations for that. I thought, I like what

531
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: my takeaway was that they the wig was bad, but

532
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I guess that she was so like famously blonde that

533
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: they're like, I guess they made a lot of famous

534
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: blonde women into Brunett's in this movie, because Brunette equals

535
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: dramatic turn or it did in two thousand and two.

536
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: Brunette equals agency, right, Brunette equals a little little more serious. Yeah, Okay.

537
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: So Jamie and Landon are hanging out their running lines together.

538
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: It seems like maybe they could be friends. But then

539
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: he's a jerk to her at school so that he

540
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: can seem cool in front of his cool friends, and

541
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: Jamie's like, you're a jerk, and we cannot be friends.

542
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: Love that for her, she's really taking a stand for now,

543
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: for now. But then Landon starts to get serious about

544
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: the school play, about his role as a tutor, and

545
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: then the school play happens. Jamie a k a. Mandy

546
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: Moore sings that song and she's so breathy. I love her,

547
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: I love her, and and she loves switch Foot and

548
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: she loves switch I'm like, that's the those teen girl

549
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: because she's, like, I think, like a rare example of

550
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: a teen girl playing a teenager in a movie, even

551
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: though no one, I don't think any of the other

552
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: teenagers are actual teenagers, but Mandy Moore is. No. I mean,

553
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are going to mention

554
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: it later, but you know, Shane West was twenty three

555
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: at the time of filming and Mandy was seventeen. Yeah,

556
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: he was like eight full years older than her, which

557
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: is uh not not great good based on what happens

558
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: next in the story, which is they're on stage together

559
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: in the play and they kiss, and then they kissed

560
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of other times throughout the movie they sure do,

561
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: but this but this first kiss is forced because it's

562
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: not in the play. It's not in the script. It's

563
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: a surprise kiss, yes, which they had to rehearse on

564
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: their first day. Yeah, I and it's it seems like

565
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore and Mandy Moore has uh I mean, she

566
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: she came out with a bunch of me too stuff

567
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that isn't relevant to the

568
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: content of this episode, but she seems to still be

569
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: friends with Shane West. I feel like that that's more

570
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: of a fault of the production for like putting them

571
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: in this scenario in the first place, Like that's just

572
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: especially for a teen actor and then an adult, like

573
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: that's that's just irresponsible on the productions. And they knew

574
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: that they had crushes on each other, and the production

575
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: knew they had crushes on each other, and he I

576
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: don't again, I didn't see anything about anything you know,

577
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: storied taking place. It's they were had to crush on

578
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: each other. They never dated um and Shane was, you know,

579
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: teaching her how to act because she didn't know how

580
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: to act. So it's a little there's a little a

581
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: little weird, there's a little I yeah, I read that

582
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: he taught her what a what a mark was and

583
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: how to hit it. He was like, oh, poor Mandy Moore,

584
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: she didn't know. I guess that this movie was shot

585
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: before The Princess Diaries because that's like her first credit,

586
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: but it was shot after. Yeah, yeah, okay, which is

587
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: I I liked it. In the early two thousand's there

588
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore was given us more range than a lot

589
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: of teen actresses because she played sweet Girl and she

590
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: played bully right, because she's she's mean and Saved and

591
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Princess Diaries, but she's an angel from heaven in this movie, right,

592
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: And then in both Saved and A Walk to Remember,

593
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: she plays a very devout Christian character, but on two

594
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: very different ends of a of that spectrum. And now

595
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: she's on a TV show that my mom talks about

596
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: on the phone all the time that I'm never gonna

597
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: watch this is us, Yeah, exactly. Okay, So they kiss

598
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: on stage and then Landon's like, wait a minute, do

599
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: I like Jamie? Do I want to be with her?

600
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: He's breaking the one rule. He's falling in love with her,

601
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to a rule breaker. You know,

602
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: he's a bad boy. He's canonically a bad boy. He

603
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: almost kills a student in the first scene. Yeah, but

604
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: he does go visit him in the hospital and say sorry,

605
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: so that redeems him question mark um, even though the

606
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: student is like not understandably not very receptive to the apologies, like,

607
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. I don't know why

608
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: I want to be your friend. You like push me

609
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: off of a cliff, or like whatevers a bed of eels.

610
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, Jamie is like rejecting him and pushing him away,

611
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: and she's like, you don't know how to be a

612
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: good friend. So then he tries harder. He gives her

613
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: a new sweater. He stands up for her when his

614
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: friends play that photoshop related prank on her at school, which, truly,

615
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen the movie, just like look up

616
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: that scene because it's even like, even though it's like

617
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: from a plot standpoint of like, oh my god, your

618
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: heart goes out to her and and maybe that would

619
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: be a horrible thing to happen to you in two

620
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: thousand too, but if that happened to me now, I'd

621
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: be like, uh so, what is the joke here? It's

622
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: such a bad photoshop. It's like it's more embarrassing for

623
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the person who photo shopped it than for her. But

624
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: I do feel like that scene really captures the like

625
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: cruel scene laugh that like still haunts me to this day. Yeah,

626
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: you run into that in real life. Oh boy, all

627
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: logic goes out the window. You're scarred, that's true. Yeah,

628
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: So he defends her and stands up for her when

629
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: this happens, and then he asks her out on a date,

630
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: but her dad doesn't let her date, so then Landon

631
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: asks her dad permission to take her out, which he

632
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: relents to. So then they go out to dinner, they dance.

633
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: It is revealed that Shane West is shorter than Mandy Moore. No, no, no,

634
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: we don't know it in that scene. It's then we don't.

635
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: It's after we find out she's sick, and then he says,

636
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: you too, to dance, and that montage that's where you

637
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: learn he is. He is a couple inches shorter than her,

638
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: hasn't He asked his mom to teach him how to dance? There, Yeah,

639
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: the dances before because the leukemia reveal is like, to me,

640
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: where the movie totally shifted. Well, sure, yea once our

641
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: protagonist is doomed, yes, but yeah, maybe I'm messing up

642
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: the order. It's whatever. In there's a scene in the

643
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: middle of a montage where she teaches him how to

644
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: dance and you can see both of their full bodies

645
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: and then you're like, he's shorter than her because you

646
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: can't wear your acting shoes in a full body shot.

647
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, because she teaches his mom. He asked

648
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: his mom to teach him when they later dance on

649
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: the balcony with no door, right right right right the

650
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: balcony door. Yes, it's that's fascinated me for years. I

651
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't pick up on it, just like you're gonna make

652
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: this sickly girl climb out a window to look at

653
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: her stars all the balcony with no doors. I wonder

654
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: if it's like if it's like a an Aladdin kind

655
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: of deal where it's just a curtain that leads into

656
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: a room. No, it's it's just four windows. They also

657
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: are looking through a telescope that he builds right in

658
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: front of her, Like you would think that he would

659
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: have done that as like a surprise gift, but he

660
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: just like sets up a workshop outside of her house,

661
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, don't look, I love it what I'm doing.

662
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: This movie is so goofy and corny in so many

663
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: ways where you just have to be constantly suspending your logic.

664
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: Where there's like one scene where you find out what

665
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: Jamie's ambition in life is, which is to like witness

666
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: a miracle. But you find out because Shane West happens

667
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to be going through the yearbook at home alone, Like

668
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: why is he doing that he's just we're to believe

669
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: he's just sitting at home, like to day night, better

670
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: look through my yearbook, like I don't want to break

671
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: your mind, But I feel like that might be one

672
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: of a few instances in this film where traditionally he

673
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: would then in a real world start checking off. And

674
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: that can't be alluded to at all. Know, he's just

675
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: like a plot point. She wants a miracle, does she?

676
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: She wants for it all. Wait, I'm gonna klen as

677
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: you continue to summarse, I'm gonna just just to put

678
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: my own mind at ease. I'm going to screen cap these. Uh,

679
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: these shame west height toscripancy is to share with the

680
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: class because I swear to God, I swear to God,

681
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: it's the thing. Yes please um. So, meanwhile, they go

682
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: out to dinner, they dance. He helps her knock some

683
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: stuff off of her to do list, like to be

684
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: in two places at once and to get a tattoo.

685
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: That scene is really sweet, It is pretty nice. It's

686
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: so corny, but the I remember the two places at

687
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: once seemed really vividly because Maddie Moore gets so excited,

688
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: She's like, who so cute? And then they kiss and

689
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: he tells her he loves her, and she's like, I

690
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: told you not to fall in love with me. Are

691
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: we going to know? He had one job? And then

692
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: her dad is like, Jamie, you have to be fair

693
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: to him before things get worse, and we're like, huh,

694
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: what does that mean, which we find out shortly. But

695
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: before that, Jamie and Landen Star gaze together and then

696
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: she tells him the number one thing on her list,

697
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: which is to get married in the church where her

698
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: parents got married. And then the big reveal, which is

699
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: that she tells him that she is sick with leukemia

700
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: and that she has stopped responding to treatment, the implication

701
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: being that she does not have long to live. And

702
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: then he broods for a while. God, but then he

703
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: goes to his Okay, this scene is just story logic wise,

704
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: it is so silly. Where he goes to his He has,

705
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: of course, because every movie has to be about fathers

706
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and sons for some reason. Yes, he has a bad

707
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: relationship with his dad, who's like a doctor, but he

708
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: left and it's all very like vague divorced parents stuff.

709
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: But he goes to his dad's house and it's like,

710
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: my girlfriend is dying of cancer? Can you save her?

711
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: And his dad's kind of like, well, no, there's not

712
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: a cure for cancer that's known, and Shane West responds

713
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: by being like, you were never there for me, Like

714
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but these two, these two things

715
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: are sort of unrelated, you know. Also, his dad's like,

716
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm not an oncologist. I'm a cardiologist. For someone who

717
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: wants to be a doctor, he really did not understand

718
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: anything about medicine at this point. True, it's so funny

719
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: that whole scene because then it's like a million years

720
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: of brooding and Shane West driving around in his cool,

721
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: cool car and it's like, dude, listen, like, your dad

722
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: is not the right kind of doctor. Like the situation

723
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: is still very sad, but like, of the many things

724
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: that maybe your father's faults, this is not one of them.

725
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: Is not one of them. So yeah, he's brooding for

726
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: a while, he's driving around in his Camaro, and then

727
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: he comes back around and he's like, Jamie, baby, I'm

728
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. And then one day she collapses and

729
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: is rushed to the hospital and Landon stays by her

730
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: side until she's able to go home. Because Landon's dad

731
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: arranges to pay for her private home care, which is

732
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: really nice, and I guess a more realistic thing that

733
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: he can do instead of knowing the care for cancer

734
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. I forgot about that plot point and

735
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: I liked it. I thought that was very nice. But

736
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I also feel like that whole dad plotline, like I

737
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: don't really care about it at all, except for the

738
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: moment where at the wedding that's about to happen. The

739
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: way that his dad looks at him at his wedding

740
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: is so she looks like he's about to burst into tears.

741
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know who this man is.

742
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Like what am I looking at? Anyways? I'm getting handed well,

743
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: so then, uh, what's his name? Landon asks Jamie to

744
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: marry him so that she can accomplish the number one

745
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: thing on her list. So they get married, and then

746
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Landon's voiceover explains that they have a beautiful summer together

747
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: and that she passes away a few months after their wedding,

748
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: and then we get a flash forward to four years

749
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: later where Landon pays a visit to Jamie's father. He

750
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: has gotten into medical school. Hopefully, He's like, he's hopefully

751
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: made amends with his dad to be like, I'm so sorry.

752
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know how doctors worked when I was seventeen. Whoops,

753
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: I overreacted my back. And then Jamie's father is like Landon,

754
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: by the way, Jamie did find her miracle and it

755
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: was you. And then there's some more voice over about

756
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: how Landon will always love Jamie and he'll always feel

757
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: their love. So that's the story. Let's take another break

758
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: and we'll come back to discuss, and we're back. M hmmm,

759
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: We're I feel like we've we've actually covered a fear

760
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: amount of ground. Actually the recap, yeah, we have. Since

761
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: we were briefly talking about like the fathers and sons thing,

762
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to just say a little bit about that,

763
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: which is to me, it feels like the big emotional

764
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: beat of this movie. That's like the big like tear jerker.

765
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: Everyone in the audience is crying. Is that moment where

766
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Landon goes to his dad to say, thank you for

767
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: paying for my girlfriends like private home care. Because he's

768
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: he's crying. They hug each other. The music swells like

769
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: lingers on this moment for quite a while, and the

770
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: cinematic language tells you that that's the big crime moment,

771
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: and then a short time later, couldn't care less Jamie

772
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: dies off screen. We only know about a via voiceover.

773
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: It is not played for like that big tear jerker

774
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: moment the same way, which I'm kind of surprised I

775
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: watching it back. I guess it would have really emotionally

776
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: wrecked me at any age to like I didn't want

777
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: to like see her die, But they do wrap it

778
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: up so quick. I guess. I don't know the argument

779
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: there is, like it goes out on a high note,

780
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: like you see her like she's accomplished her life's goal

781
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: of getting married, and and then it's like, well, you know,

782
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about

783
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: that choice. Yeah, I just I found it really kind

784
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: of bizarre that the big tear jerker beat of the

785
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: movie is the like father son reconciliation rather than the

786
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: death of the woman that the main character loves. I

787
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: feel like the tormal shift I was saying with the

788
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: leukemia was actually like more I feel like when the

789
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: movie kind of became what I understand might be more

790
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: like the book, where you know the book is like

791
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: clear that it's coming from Landon's perspective, and the book

792
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: is kind of well Nicholas Barks's Uh. When Nicholas Barks

793
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: spoke about writing the book, it was like he equally

794
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: wanted to like it wasn't really about Jamie. Like when

795
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: he read the book, his thoughts are like her husband

796
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: was such a miracle, Like who would marry a girl

797
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: they know is going to die? Like this guy needs

798
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: to be celebrated. Like that's kind of where he was

799
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: coming from. And so I feel like that would make

800
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: sense then why his big emotional opening is what's important.

801
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Jamie taught him how to feel, and

802
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: now he feels with his dad. I agree, And I

803
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: feel like that is like the big true or or

804
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: one of the biggest trophy issues with this movie. Right.

805
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like it in I mean, I think even from

806
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: like a screenwriting sampoint, it's clearly Landon's story, but it

807
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: but it like uses the trope that that has been

808
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of movies and stories over the over

809
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: time of like a woman dies to like teach a

810
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: guy how to kind of be a better person. Like

811
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: that is ultimately the narrative function of like Jamie in

812
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: this world at these And I don't mean to, like,

813
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, because because I know that Nicholas Sparks's sister

814
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: inspired this, but it's not her life story. She was

815
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: a different person living at a different time, who was

816
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: in her late twenties, not in high school, you know.

817
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: And I like the way this movie was adapted clearly

818
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: falls into that trope of like Jamie, while I feel

819
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: like Jamie is like a better developed character than most

820
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: young women who are put in that role, and like

821
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: there are things that I was kind of not like

822
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: impressed as a little bit strong, but I was surprised

823
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: that there was a lot about Jamie that like she

824
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't do the the grease thing or the what the

825
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: like she's all that thing where she totally changed and

826
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: at the end she's popular, like she does stay. She

827
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: she changes a little bit, but like for the most part,

828
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: she's pretty consistent and like she's always church girl and

829
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: she's not gonna like change what her values are. And

830
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: for the for the most part, like I thought that

831
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's a little bit different, but she

832
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: still ultimately is like sacrificed and what the takeaway feels

833
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: like And now Shane West knows that he can go

834
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: to med school and he doesn't need to be a

835
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: high school bully. And it's like, well, was it worth it?

836
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: Was it really worth it? I don't know, right, Yeah,

837
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: that is such a trope where the function of a

838
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: lot of female characters, whether or not they die depends

839
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: on kind of the story, but the function of a

840
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: lot of the of characters. It's sort of like the

841
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: burden is on women to teach men how to be

842
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: a good person and like how to feel feelings and stuff.

843
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: I don't know too much, Like I I do recognize

844
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: this trope, I don't know too much about it, like uh, scholarly.

845
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: But I also feel like this kind of has to

846
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: do with the religious overtones too, because I feel like

847
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: the tone it's basically like it feels like this movie

848
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: is celebrating the mercy that land In bestows upon Jamie,

849
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: and it's really about like his like not only his transformation,

850
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: but like how much he put into this relationship by

851
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: being with a person with leukemia, which feels very ablest,

852
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: but also like the idea of mercy. Like even in

853
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: the Bible, you know, women are often literally just plotlines

854
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: for male characters in the Bible. Um, so I feel

855
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: like there's also that aspect of it that, like I

856
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: guess only hearing you talk about the trope really connected

857
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: the two for me. And when I was googling, like

858
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: I was trying to find out what the genre is

859
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: of like Christian movies, and the only thing I could

860
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: find that was like scholarly was connecting them to the

861
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: religious melodramas like plays and stuff. Um, So it feels

862
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: like this, even though I could not find any confirmation

863
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: why this was so Christian or that this is even

864
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: seemed to be considered a Christian film, it's not on

865
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: pure Flix. I just feel like it's definitely that we

866
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: have to do a pure Flix. I only found that

867
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: from this it's oh yeah, there. I think I'm pretty sure.

868
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Maggie may Fish has covered a couple of movies on

869
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: her YouTube channel that are I think they were originally

870
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: on pure Flix. But like Rob Schneider appears in a

871
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: lot of pure Flix movies, there's like it's it's it's

872
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. It's Christian Netflix, but it

873
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: just sounds absolutely wild, which I did watch again, I

874
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: went on too deep of the dive. I did watch

875
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: a YouTube clip of the VHS commercials from the VHS

876
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: release of this film, um, and they did include a

877
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: preview for a movie that is on Pure Flix. So

878
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: again I'm like, where is this Christian money coming from?

879
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: And why is it unngogle able? Like it's very strange.

880
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: I it is. I mean, I guess I I didn't

881
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: go back and do the full like recap. I feel

882
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: like for a very mainstream, successful movie, this movie is

883
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: unusually Christian, where, if you know, the further you go

884
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: back in American movies, I like, the more Christian outwardly

885
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: Christian they get, and more you like you see the

886
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: themes of mercy and faith come up more often. But

887
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: by the early two thousands, I feel like it is

888
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of a usual. I don't know but that, but

889
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but you think like Saved came

890
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: out after this and that is very critical of Christianity,

891
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that was more common by that point.

892
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I will say that, and this is

893
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: coming from someone who was raised as an atheist and

894
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: tends to shy away from Christian media or any like

895
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: entertainment that has strong Christian under or overtones. I didn't

896
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: necessarily I didn't mind the Christianity in this or like

897
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the I didn't mind the religious themes in this because

898
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: none of the characters who have a strong Christian faith

899
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: are using their faith to justify toxic attitudes and ideologies

900
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: that some Christians have, such as you know, homophobia, transphobia, racism,

901
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: anti choice, anti bodily autonomy, you know, all that stuff.

902
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: And when I'm critical of religion, it's those displays of

903
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: toxicity and intolerance that I'm critical of. But we don't

904
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: see any of that in this movie. The characters aren't

905
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: doing anything like that. They're just you know, living their

906
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: lives and not hurting anybody or being prejudiced towards anybody.

907
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: But there's not really anyone to be prejudice of, you know,

908
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: because everyone is straight at this high school. Well, but

909
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: there's also there maybe people of color, and that's not

910
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: counting if they reuse background actors, Like I think, to me,

911
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: it's like I could get into the headspace of this

912
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: being like, I agree with you, it's not used. When

913
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: you were talking, it made me think of Josie and

914
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: the Pussycats, Like I feel like religion in this movie

915
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: is like product placement in that where it's like almost like, no,

916
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: we get it, like we're putting it in front of there,

917
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: but then because it's religious and like, but wait, maybe

918
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know, it feels sinister, but that

919
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: might just be because the church is weird. I kind

920
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: of I I agree with with what you're both saying

921
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: where I felt like the way that Christianity was presented

922
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: in this movie was pretty inoffensive. But then I was like,

923
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: but maybe that's not good, you know, because because this

924
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: movie I don't I don't know, And ultimately it's it's

925
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: I get kind of like lost in the sauce there

926
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: because it's like either someone is not really thinking about

927
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: it very hard, or someone's thinking about it really hard.

928
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Has it in the way that like Christian and He's

929
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: presented in this movie, because I feel like it is.

930
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: It's you know, like less harmful tenants that are being

931
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: used in this movie of like forgiveness and like give

932
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: people a chance, And I mean the way that that's

933
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: kind of implemented does lend itself to a lot of

934
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: Shane was toxic behavior kind of being forgiven a little

935
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: to christ Like maybe, but but it does I don't know. Yeah,

936
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: Like ultimately I'm like I do. I do remember recognizing

937
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: that there were christian elements to this story, but I

938
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: think because someone else pointed it out to me. I

939
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: don't think I would have gotten there on my own,

940
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: but there was like a parent or someone who was

941
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's like churchy ship makes me sick

942
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: or like whatever, But like, how did we not pick

943
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: it up as a kid? It was just kind of there. Well,

944
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: how how old were the two of you? Because like

945
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: that was the only thing I remembered about this movie.

946
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's the movie about the girl

947
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: with cancer and she's very devoutly Christian like that. That

948
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: was like the main thing I remembered about this movie.

949
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: I was your age, but I was, you know, not

950
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: aware of my bisexuality at the time, So I was

951
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: just horny this whole movie, and that was all I

952
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: could see. I was nine, so I didn't know shit

953
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: about shit. I just wanted people kissing and singing. Uh.

954
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: But but I do I mean, it's like, I don't know.

955
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: I think that there's definitely arguments for both sides of

956
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: the way that Christianity is presented in this movie, where

957
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the negative aspects of Christianity didn't enter

958
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: the plot, but also it feels bizarre to just ignore

959
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: them as if they don't exist, and it's like it's

960
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: it's completely uncritical presentation of Christianity to the point where

961
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like they almost like reverse a priest trope

962
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: that you like. When you start watching the movie, you're like, oh,

963
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: you know her, her dad is by nature of his job,

964
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: very religious, so he's going to be very a Steve

965
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want her to date. But it turns

966
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: out the reason that he doesn't want her to date

967
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: is not just because he's a priest. It's because he

968
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: doesn't like she's also sick and there's like other things

969
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: going on that we don't know. So I feel like

970
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: that the movie kind of makes the priest look better

971
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: as the movie goes on, because you're like, oh, he's

972
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: not being mean because of religion. He's being mean because

973
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: his daughter is really sick and he doesn't know what

974
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: to do, like which kind of I don't know. For

975
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: me on this rewatch made me not be like, oh,

976
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: he should be restricting his daughter's behavior, but at least

977
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: it gave some context and it wasn't just the trope

978
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: of like religious dad equals controlling and oppressive. The more

979
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: we talk about this, I wonder because the first time

980
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: we see the father, who is the pastor at the

981
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: only church in town where all the bad kids go, no,

982
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: but when we meet him, it's the mom. The line

983
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: right before is the mom saying you need a father,

984
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: and she's talking about how he doesn't talk to his dad,

985
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: and then it us to him. And now I'm just thinking, like,

986
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: because Mandy Moore didn't know how to act. Apparently Shane

987
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: West taught her the Marker thing, but she was very

988
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: natural and this was her first film. Like I wonder

989
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: if the like not intention but like I wonder if

990
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: it hadn't been her, would we be reading more into

991
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: like how the pastor kind of becomes his father figure,

992
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: and like how their relationship is actually more about like

993
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: both of them men, like learning how to have a son,

994
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: learning how to have a father, learning how to be

995
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: family with boys. And Mandy Moore was just so good

996
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: at the role that she was given that that kind

997
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: of got pushed aside for more of like us caring

998
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: about Jamie. Like I feel like we as the audience

999
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: care a lot more about Jamie than it feels like

1000
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: the script in like intended or pushed for. Yeah, I

1001
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: mean she really is, Like I think Mandy Moore's performance

1002
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: does hold up in this movie. She's so Mandy Moore,

1003
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: Like she's just so Flee and you're even when the

1004
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: character is like kind of all over the place, You're like,

1005
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for I wanted to hit her mark. I

1006
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: wanted to take off her scary cloak and sing a song.

1007
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: Um I I agree with you, Sam, I think that, Yeah,

1008
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: there are certain I hadn't even it hadn't even occurred

1009
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: to me that the priest kind of ends up taking

1010
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: on this fatherly role. I mean, what is the Bible

1011
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: but yet another story about fathers and sons true, the

1012
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: ultimate one maybe the Father's son and the Holy Spirit

1013
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: is Mandy wo wow. I bet that's Cannon. That's gotta

1014
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: be Cane. I mean, that's Catholic. Nicholas Sparks is Catholic.

1015
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: Print It all makes sense. And I do think that

1016
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: there's like it's implied or I feel like the story

1017
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: is suggesting that the reason that Shane West character is

1018
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: such a rebel, bad bad kid, you know, like on

1019
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: the wrong side of the tracks at the beginning of

1020
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: the movie is because his parents are divorced. There is

1021
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: a part where Daryl Hannah says to Shane West's character,

1022
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: She's like, you need a father, because she's trying to

1023
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: get him to forgive his dad, who he's estranged with,

1024
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: and she's like a boy needs us dad kind of thing,

1025
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: and which I think is like kind of mean to

1026
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: her character because she seems to be a really good

1027
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: mom who really cares about her son, and like, we

1028
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: don't really the only thing we know is that something's

1029
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: going on over their lips. Her hair is a mess,

1030
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: but she loves And the other thing you know is

1031
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: that she loves and is very supportive of Shane West.

1032
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: Like the way he's acting out would not suggest that

1033
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: he like that the parent he lives with is very

1034
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: doting and caring about him. I don't know. I just

1035
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: thought that was like he ends with an evil boy

1036
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: he's friends with, like a truly evil boy. That boy

1037
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: was really evil. Yeah. I don't know that character's name,

1038
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: but I don't need it. We're talking about the guy

1039
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: that like later in the cafeteria, he's like, get away

1040
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: from me, man, Like we're through. He's the guy. Yeah,

1041
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: that broke up with Shane West and You're like, who

1042
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah, I was like, who the hell is

1043
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: this man? No idea. UM. What I want to make

1044
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: clear here is that and I don't know a whole

1045
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: lot about the teachings of Christianity, not having grown up

1046
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: in the church but sick, but like, I want to

1047
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: make it clear that, like, there are many Christians, including

1048
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: many listeners of this podcast, who because I want to

1049
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: avoid making any sweeping generalizations about religious people and Christians specifically,

1050
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: because again, there are a lot of Christians who are

1051
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: very tolerant and very progressive and who are the opposite

1052
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: of that kind of stereotypical Bible thumping religious right that

1053
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: I think some people have come to associate Christianity with.

1054
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: And this is this is like kind of one of

1055
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: the best depictions of Christianity because it does like you said,

1056
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any opportunities for the bad stuff. It's

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01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: all just about kindness and love and coming together. It

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: is very Christian in the true sense of the word.

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: I think my my fascination with it just comes from

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: not the religion and not the um, not people who

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01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: are religious, but from the way that the Church operates

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: specifically the Roman Catholic Church. So that's kind of where

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: my perspective comes in of like, it's not the word,

1064
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: and it's not the people that are in my opinion,

1065
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: that's not really where the problem lies as much as

1066
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: the people who are administering things and the specific you know,

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: we all know about the Roman Catholic Church. There's lots

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: to be suspective, right, It's more, Yeah, it's the institution

1069
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: of religion that or the people who use Christianity as

1070
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: an excuse to perpetuate their own bigotry. Like that's obviously

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: what there is to be critical about, not the things

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 1: that Jesus taught and promoted according to the Bible, and

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: not the idea of the religion itself kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah,

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01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: it's more like the indoctrination, which could be said of

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: any organization. To me, that's always what's fascinating and any

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01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: organized religion too. Yeah, but there's always some sort of

1077
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: indoctrination process for different organizations, and that always fascinates me,

1078
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: Like how do you take a nonbeliever to a believer? Right?

1079
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, in Jamie's case, it's almost certainly

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01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: that she's just like indoctrination since birth stuff. Um either

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: that or she is like there is a lot of

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: argument for and again it's like, yeah, the the the

1083
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: elements of Christianity that are presented in this movie are

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01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: not bad things necessarily. It's like Jamie is presented as

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: this as this very like almost like a very christlike

1086
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: figure who is extremely forgiving of the people around her,

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 1: to the point we're coming from a teenager, You're like, huh, Like, uh,

1088
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, is very forgiving, has faith in people's ability

1089
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: to grow and change in a way that most teenagers

1090
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: do not. Uh, and on and on and then and

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: then she's sacrifice at the end of the movie, and

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: then her love exists in the wind, and I'm like,

1093
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: she's basically the Jesus of the movie. And I don't

1094
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: hate It's like I do like Jav's character. I like her.

1095
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for her. I like when I don't know,

1096
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: even just like remembering seeing the movie as a kid

1097
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: and like watching for all of its flaws, Like as

1098
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: a kid seeing the like girl who's like a little

1099
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: different be asked like you don't care what people think

1100
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: of you? And she just says no. I was like

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, Like, even though it's maybe not

1102
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: the most realistic reaction, that's a cool thing to see

1103
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: in a movie if you're like a kind of weird

1104
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: kid where you're like, wow, this girl doesn't give a

1105
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: ship and like, I don't know, there are things to

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: be said for for the way her characters presented. It's

1107
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: not hyper realistic teen chit, but like, nothing in this

1108
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: movie is she's a superhuman Christian angel sent from God

1109
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: to sing choir songs in the play. Yeah, she's not

1110
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: a real person. I guess what I'll say is like

1111
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: that is how I viewed the movie too, and I

1112
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: feel like it would still be that movie without the

1113
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: religious element. So that's my only question is like it

1114
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: feels layered on in a way that I wonder why.

1115
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: I wonder how religious his sister was, like, or how

1116
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: big of a part of her story that was. Yeah,

1117
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: all I could find was that she did carry a

1118
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: Bible around. But like they even took the Bible out

1119
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: of this film. They made it a book full of

1120
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: quotes like Dolly Parton. I like Dolly Parton. I was like, wow,

1121
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: Jesus thought Dolly Parton was really smart, because that's what

1122
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: Jamie said, did Dolly Parton fund this movie? Oh my god?

1123
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: What if Dolly Parton Christian? Yeah? Okay, I did not.

1124
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess I don't know anything about

1125
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: her relige. I don't know. I just other than the

1126
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: fact that she's Miley Cyrus's godmother. Miley Cyrus another Nicholas

1127
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: Sparks star. Oh that's true. Which one is that? That's

1128
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: the last song? Question mark? I'm pretty sure I saw

1129
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: that in theaters. Is that the one Channing Tatum isn't

1130
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: or is that a different movie? I think so? Oh no, wait,

1131
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: he's I hope not. Wait he's like kind of old

1132
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: for her, isn't he? No? I think that it's Isn't

1133
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: that how she met her? The guy that she married

1134
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: was through that Nicholas Sparks movie. And it's Chris Hemsworth's brother.

1135
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it's Liam Hemsworth. Okay, so the okay,

1136
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: what's the Channing Oh the Channing Tatum one is Dear John?

1137
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: Which is him? Cyphrid God? So many white actors? Uh? Wild?

1138
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to talk really quick about

1139
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: another character slash storyline that I found baffling and maybe

1140
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll say it not necessary to the movie, which is

1141
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: Langdon's ex girlfriend or Landon. I keep wanting to say

1142
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: Langdon as in Robert Langdon from another Christian text, the

1143
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code. Oh my gosh, we did bring up

1144
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: Mona Lisa earlier, so I always have Da Vinci Code

1145
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: on the brain Baby, I'll never stop. But the whole

1146
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: thing was so so the deal with I don't think

1147
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: she even came up really in the summary because she

1148
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be in the movie. I left her

1149
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: out of the of the summary. So her deal is

1150
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: what's her name? Her name is like Barbara, have no idea, Josephine, Belinda, Belinda, Belinda,

1151
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: so Belinda, which again I'm like, what year is this

1152
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 1: movie taking place in. Belinda is Shane West's ex girl

1153
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: friend who wants to get back together with him, but

1154
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: he's not interested. She is really forcing the issue. She

1155
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: gets very jealous of Jamie when it becomes clear that

1156
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: Shane West is interested in Jamie. She does the photoshop

1157
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: praying Jamie's hurt, and then Belinda later apologizes to Shane

1158
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: West about that, but not to Jamie, who is in

1159
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: the adjacent I think she's like, right, there isn't she like,

1160
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: doesn't she apologize to Shane West for what she did

1161
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: to Jamie in front of Jamie's house, And it's like,

1162
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 1: you need to apologize to her? Oh okay, I was like,

1163
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: she needs apologize to Jamie. All of those guys none

1164
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: of them apologized to Jamie. They all apologize to him, right,

1165
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: No one apologizes to the right people in this movie,

1166
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: because we'll get to this later. But when we talk

1167
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: about like the relationship between Landon and Jamie, but she

1168
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: apolo gize is to him after he gets mad that

1169
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: she has cancer and she's like, I'm so sorry that

1170
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I have cancer. I should have told you sooner. And

1171
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: he's like it's okay, Well that's like he's not. He's like, no,

1172
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: you doubt you're perfect, You're eighteen, and then she runs away.

1173
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't chase her. Instead, he drives to a mysterious

1174
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: city where his dad is and then he drives into

1175
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: the night, and then the one person of color main

1176
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: character in the film, Eric comes to check and Rand

1177
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: the most like the most hyper sexual racist depiction and

1178
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: also the best, the most complex of the group, and

1179
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: the best friend of them all. It seems yes, so

1180
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: quick sidebar about that character. So that's Eric. He easily

1181
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: he falls into the black best friend trope because he's

1182
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,879
Speaker 1: Landon's best friend. He has characterized in a very harmful

1183
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: trophy way in which he in basically every scene he's

1184
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: in is making comments that are extremely like sexually aggressive,

1185
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: and that's really all we know about that character. So

1186
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: that's bad. It's really frustrating. Yeah, it's like falling into

1187
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: all of the tropes of the black best friend is

1188
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: like we know nothing about him other than he is

1189
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: there to deliver, you know, Devil's advocate views on what's

1190
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: going on to Shane West. Like he'll come in and

1191
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: be like, well, well, what if Jamie isn't the love

1192
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: of your life? And Shane West is like, never she is,

1193
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: and he's like all right, like there, he's just like

1194
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: there to like he's only there to demonstrate at various

1195
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: scenes in the movie that Shane West is changing as

1196
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: a character, like that's the only and Eric, I guess

1197
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: you could argue changes a little bit where he becomes

1198
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: less of an asshole unless of a bully about the

1199
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: fact that Shane West is dating Jamie, But that's such

1200
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: a small change. That's only in relation to his friend,

1201
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: Like you know nothing about him outside of that it. Yeah,

1202
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: it's it sucks because I don't I don't think I've

1203
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,440
Speaker 1: seen that actor in anything else. But I enjoyed his performance.

1204
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was fun. I read that he and

1205
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: Shane West made up that really long handshake that they do,

1206
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: which I was like, well, that's fun. I guess that's

1207
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: the only time in the film that smoking is alluded to,

1208
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: which I thought was an interesting bad boy trope. Yeah,

1209
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: they do a little like smoking weed thing. That actor's

1210
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: name is al Thompson. He's been working pretty steadily, it seems,

1211
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: over the years, So good for him. Okay, I just

1212
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: I just saw his Wikipedia page was a stub so

1213
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: and that was where my research ended. I think he

1214
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: does a lot of TV in mostly kind of like

1215
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: small bit roles kind of thing, got it. But yeah,

1216
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: so I thought like his performance was really fun and

1217
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: there was room to include him more meaningfully where he like,

1218
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like why not get rid of

1219
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: the like girlfriend ex girlfriend, like evil girl side plot,

1220
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: and like make room for the best friend. I like,

1221
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: all of his scenes are enjoyable, but he only exists

1222
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: in relation to Land in right, Like, I agree that girl.

1223
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was an ex girlfriend until

1224
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: I looked on Wikipedia. Um, I just knew that she

1225
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: was some girl who wanted to be with him somehow.

1226
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: One thing I noticed that I don't. I might just

1227
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: be drawing a string to nowhere. But did you notice

1228
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: how when she does apologize, she's wearing a pink sweater,

1229
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: just like the one that he gave Jamie. WHOA, I

1230
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: didn't not notice that. I don't know if that's like

1231
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: her signal like now she's a good person too or whatever.

1232
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 1: Everyone who wears a pink sweater is a good person.

1233
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: Amazing God. So back to the Jamie does apologize to Shane.

1234
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: That so after that scene where he's talking to Eric

1235
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: and they like have a little bit of a reckon

1236
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: silly and I think that's the that part of the movie.

1237
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: But then Jamie comes up to Landed as he's like

1238
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: fixing his Camaro and she's like, I'm sorry, I should

1239
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 1: have told you sooner, and he's like shrug, let's kiss,

1240
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, why are you apologizing Jamie? Yeah, anyway,

1241
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: it was That's like another one of the more obvious,

1242
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: like ablest scenes where it's like you ditched her, you

1243
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: didn't support her when she was like coming out with

1244
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: this big news, and now you're like, she makes a

1245
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: joke like something about dying. Does anybody remember? Yeah, she says.

1246
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: He's like, are you scared? And she says to death

1247
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 1: and then he's like geez, and she's like, lighten up.

1248
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm the one who's dying. I can joke about this

1249
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: if I want. She's like, can you can chill for

1250
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: a second. So and so that was on a tangent

1251
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: of no one apologizing to Jamie right when it's she's

1252
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: owed several apologies, but everyone's like, oh, she's she's so

1253
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: christ Like, she'll forgive. I guess I'll just apologize to

1254
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: a random person who has nothing to do with the situation,

1255
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: or I'll make her apologize to me for some reason,

1256
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: Like it is. It is frustrating, and I feel like

1257
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: that is like one of the something we haven't really

1258
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,839
Speaker 1: gotten to yet is just like, especially in the early

1259
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 1: days of this relationship, just like how toxic and fraud

1260
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,839
Speaker 1: this relationship is from the jump, and how Jamie's extreme

1261
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: willingness to forgive and believe that people can change absolves

1262
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: him of this behavior in a way that he never

1263
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: really meaningfully apologizes for. Where at the beginning of the

1264
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: like for the whole first half hour of the movie

1265
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: before he's like, Okay, I want to be in this

1266
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: play and I want to work with you. Up unto

1267
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: that point, he is like mean to her. He's like,

1268
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: I know I've known you my whole life, but I

1269
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: don't I don't give a shit about you, essentially, and

1270
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: then once he realizes, oh, I do like her, he

1271
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: comes the most Like the moment that I didn't remember

1272
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: in the movie that I was like, how dare you

1273
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: was when he goes to her house and asks her

1274
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: to be his friend but in secret so you can

1275
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: still be popular. And I was like, the fucking nerve

1276
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: like that for me is where I'm like, no matter

1277
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: how forgiving a person I am, I'm tapping out right there.

1278
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: That is that is a horrible thing to do, to

1279
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: even attempt to do. It's also like you said, like

1280
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: what time period are you in? Like I could see

1281
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: in the fifties a guy asking that, like, you know,

1282
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: how it is I'm the popular guy. I don't know,

1283
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what voice that was, but you know,

1284
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm the popular kid. We all know the rules of

1285
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: the high school. Like, I feel like that would have

1286
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: been much more nineteen fifties, where it's like, you know,

1287
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: this relationship, it's so common to us, but not in

1288
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,839
Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, and it's like, I'm glad that Jamie

1289
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: tells him to funk off in that moment and she's like,

1290
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, but but the fact that he still gets

1291
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,480
Speaker 1: a second chance without really apologizing and just by being like, hey,

1292
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: I've decided to be your friend publicly, like that is

1293
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: very warranting of a second fuck you. But she's like, Okay,

1294
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 1: let's try it, you know. But she's Jesus, so it's hard, right,

1295
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: And he's like, but I got you this sweater. Everything's

1296
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 1: fine now, right. Um. We talked about this on the

1297
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast episode and other episodes. But like

1298
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: the the idea of like the burden of forgiveness, often

1299
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: in a like hetero romantic context, is often placed on

1300
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: the woman to forgive the man for his often toxic

1301
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: bad behavior, which again we see a lot of in

1302
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: this movie, where for the first several of their interactions

1303
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: he's really mean to her, he makes fun of her,

1304
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you're carrying around this bible, you loser

1305
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: with your one sweater, you like stars and planets. Gross,

1306
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: Like he's like bullying her for the random ist ship.

1307
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: He's like, how dare you have an interest in astronomy.

1308
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never seen someone bullied for this before.

1309
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 1: This is interesting and I like that. She's like, yeah, sure,

1310
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm the pastor's daughter, but but science does exist as

1311
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: like okay, movie not not not too bad. And then

1312
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: there's that scene where he, even after he starts to

1313
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: fall for her, he comes at her after school and

1314
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: like tells her how she feels. And then plot wise,

1315
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: that ends up being that he's right where he's like,

1316
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: you're hiding behind religion and astronomy and all this stuff.

1317
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: Like he just names all of her interests and it's like,

1318
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: and that's what you're doing instead of admitting that you're

1319
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: in love with me? And then and then she's like,

1320
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: wait a minute, maybe he's onto something. And we're like

1321
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: what you just like you can like things and have

1322
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: a crush on an asshole. I was gonna say again,

1323
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: coming from the horny lens that I first viewed this in,

1324
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: it was like I don't care he's hot and now

1325
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,759
Speaker 1: he's into me, Like I feel like my my horny

1326
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: brain doesn't doesn't register. And I do feel like this movie.

1327
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I want to talk about it

1328
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: was just because, like the thing you're saying about forgiveness

1329
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: coming from the woman, I feel like a lot of

1330
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: tropes that are in this movie can contribute to like

1331
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity in the way that a boy would interpret it.

1332
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: And I know with the guy who my that first

1333
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: boyfriend that was obsessed with this movie, you know, had

1334
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: of a lot of the toxic romantic kind of ideas

1335
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: of like, no, I'm making the romance for you know,

1336
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: I broke up with him and he did not take

1337
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: it well like I guess trigger warning. But nothing happened.

1338
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: But um, you know, just like how this is the

1339
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: perfect this the way the tropes are in this movie

1340
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: are like the perfect timeline and the perfect way it

1341
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: could go. But a lot of the habits that are

1342
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: being reinforced, you know, can be used in a toxic

1343
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: way in other situations. Yeah, and then another one that

1344
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't specifically defined, but something that happens

1345
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: is that he basically he just wears her down the

1346
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: way that we've seen in tons and tons of movies,

1347
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: and this seems to be a Nicholas Sparks thing that

1348
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: he recycles over and over again. Because he's writing very

1349
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: popular heterosexual love stories, there's probably a lot of that

1350
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: going on. But that's like the Notebook, Oh gosh, one

1351
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: oh one. So we see that with the Landing character.

1352
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: She keeps saying, no, we can't be friends. You've treated

1353
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: me badly, leave me alone, and then he keeps coming

1354
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: back around and basically trying to sweeten her up with

1355
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: gifts and friendship. And it's like what get away quick

1356
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: comment was when he was first trying to get back

1357
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: in her good graces after I forget what thing he did,

1358
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: but where he was like bringing her flowers obviously every day.

1359
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, you know this girl is

1360
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: dying and now you've made her house to look like

1361
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: a memorial. Like take a step back, maybe, thinking through Landing,

1362
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: like she's not dead yet, She's not right because they're okay.

1363
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: So there are kind of two separate times where he

1364
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 1: needs to or he's trying to redeem himself. The first

1365
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: time when he realizes he likes her and he's actually

1366
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: trying to get with her. Then they get together and

1367
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,799
Speaker 1: they profess their love for each other, and then when

1368
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: she tells him I have leukemia, I'm dying, and he

1369
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: flips his ship about it and is like, why didn't

1370
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: you tell me this sooner? You owed telling me this?

1371
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: And then he like storms off, and then we don't

1372
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: even know how she reacts to that, because the movie

1373
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: does not check in with her at all during this period.

1374
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: We just watch him brooding for like and minutes of

1375
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: screen time that it is dead for not knowing the

1376
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: cure to cancer right. And then when he finally does

1377
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: come back around, he talks to her dad. He doesn't

1378
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 1: even talk to her at first. He's just like, don't worry,

1379
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. Tell Jamie, can you pass along

1380
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: the message? It's like, well, can you talk to her

1381
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: face to face and apologize to her? But instead of

1382
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: that happening, when they do finally come face to face,

1383
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: she's the one to apologize to him, and it's just like,

1384
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: are you joking me right now? So bless Her dad

1385
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: was also in that, like telling her like, you gotta

1386
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: tell him before it's too late. Like obviously that messaging

1387
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: was not just coming from Landed, it was coming from

1388
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: the people around her, right. Well, That's like part of

1389
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: what I find frustrating about the love story in this movie,

1390
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: because it's not like I don't know I it's not

1391
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: like you can't in life start with like, you know,

1392
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: how do I want to phrase this? I feel like

1393
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: this this movie could have been an interesting opportunity to

1394
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: write someone someone's behavior meaningfully changing and a way that

1395
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: could have felt authentic, and also could have like been

1396
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: sort of a character map for young for young people

1397
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: who especially young men watching this movie, because it's not

1398
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: like even in the context of the movie, I don't

1399
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: doubt at any point that Landon cares about Jamie, and

1400
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that you know that teenage boys very

1401
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: often are deflective towards people that they're attracted to, especially

1402
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: in a hetero context, and like whatever. It's like that's

1403
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: something that I experienced in high schools, Like so when

1404
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: I had a crush on not being nice to me

1405
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: and then like having to apologize and over time like

1406
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe of a friendship build, but it's like you have

1407
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: to especially with like movies for young people, I feel

1408
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: like there is some responsibility to like really track that

1409
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: journey in a way that is responsible and not just

1410
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: like randomly putting the onus on Jamie to be the

1411
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: world's most forgiving person. And I don't think that it's

1412
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: like impossible if this story were written differently or a

1413
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,480
Speaker 1: little more deliberately, I don't think it would be impossible

1414
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to get Landing from the beginning of the story to

1415
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: a place where maybe he has meaningfully earned Jamie's trust.

1416
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: But that's just like not how we see the story

1417
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: play how or is or is very choppy, uh in

1418
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: the way it plays out. I do wonder how much

1419
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: how much that has to do with her maybe not

1420
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: being available, Like I know that she's a teen so

1421
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: she can only work ten hours a day, and they

1422
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: shot this in thirty nine days, So I wonder, Like

1423
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: at first, I was like, I think this has to

1424
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,440
Speaker 1: go back to the you know, kind of Christian ethics

1425
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: that they're displaying in this where it doesn't make it

1426
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for that storyline to really get into Jamie.

1427
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: But also maybe Mandy Moore decided to mount one day

1428
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: because it does seem like after her leukemia diagnosis, like

1429
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: she has that scene in the bed, but really she's

1430
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: kind of gone from the movie at that point. She's

1431
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: like not an active heart, Like she only says like

1432
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: thank you for thank your dad, and like a look

1433
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: at this comment. And then does she She doesn't mean

1434
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: to say I do. She just like hugs him and

1435
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: then they're married, right, yeah they don't did they even

1436
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: get married? Uh we don't know? Yeah, why aren't we

1437
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: checking in to see like how she feels about like

1438
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: she knows that she's dying, Like, and there's a part

1439
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: where she says something like I don't need a reason

1440
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: to be angry with God, Like can we explore that's

1441
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: a cool Like that's an interesting thing to bring up

1442
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: of like a crisis of faith for a priest daughter,

1443
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: like and it's all set up, but instead, Yeah, I

1444
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: fel like the movie diverts and ends up focusing on

1445
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: boring land and side plots and and gives a shit

1446
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: about because it should be a movie that's about her,

1447
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: not about him. I hate to keep bringing up religion,

1448
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 1: but again, like that is very Jesus, Like like Jesus

1449
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: had crisis of faith, but he never lost a faith.

1450
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: He would just be like, Dad, what's this God? Damn it? Yeah?

1451
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know. It's it's like Jamie is

1452
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: perfect to a fault. But the moments that you see

1453
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: her human side and the movie doesn't seem interested in

1454
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: exploring when it's like watching it back this time, those

1455
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: are the most interesting moments where she is affected by

1456
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: how people treat her and she is angry that she

1457
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: is dying, and like there there are like she does

1458
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 1: have these really human emotions. But then she Yeah, I

1459
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: guess like in the christ like way you're describing Sam,

1460
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: she just kind of like transcends them off screen. Then

1461
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: it's like and it's all and it's all good, and

1462
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Shane West went to medical school the end, right, I

1463
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's but I still like it. I

1464
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 1: don't know. And there's um I wanted to go through

1465
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: the product ship the people behind this production. So there

1466
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: is people we've discussed on the show before. There is

1467
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: a female screenwriter here. Her name is Karen Jansen. Uh.

1468
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: This is another Denise dn Novi movie who I know

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Speaker 1: has come up on the show a lot. She seems interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she was like a millennial childhood shape er big time.

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Speaker 1: She I think we talked about her kind of extensively

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Speaker 1: because she got both Little Women's the Winona one and

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01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: the Greta Girlwig one made but a quick rundown In

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Speaker 1: case you forgot who, Denise says, uh some of some

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Speaker 1: of the hits Edward says, her Hands Nightmare before Christmas,

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01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: both of the Little Women's, Practical Magic, Walk to Remember

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Speaker 1: What a Girl Wants, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, New

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Speaker 1: York Minutes, Failed, Mary Kay Nashley movie Uh, and Crazy

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01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: Stupid Love, which we just discussed on the show. So

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Speaker 1: she's behind a lot, a lot, a lot of big movies,

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Speaker 1: and even I mean in a lot a lot of

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Speaker 1: them are movies that are specifically marketed at teen girls.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like a Watch to Remember even stands

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01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: out in her catalog because it seems like the only

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Speaker 1: kind of aggressively Christian movie in this in this catalog.

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Speaker 1: And then I just try to shout out that the

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Speaker 1: director of this movie, uh and openly gay director who's

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Speaker 1: who was openly gay at the time of this movie. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Started as a choreographer, then switched into directing. Also directed

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Speaker 1: The Wedding Planner, which we've covered on Marion. Yeah. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Hairspray, the two thousand seven one. Uh, he just

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Speaker 1: directed What Men Want, which everyone didn't like. And uh,

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Speaker 1: he's also directing something that I wasn't aware existed, which

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01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: is a sequel to Enchanted starring Ammy Adams. The final

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Speaker 1: fun fact about the director, whose name is Adam Shankman,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think I've said um, is that he

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Speaker 1: officiated Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. His wedding.

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Speaker 1: I know they're also still married. They've been married for

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01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: twenty years. Dishwasher commercial what there's a dishwasher commercial where

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01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: they're like making a bunch of innuendoes about doing it

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01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: every night and then it's like, yeah, we run our

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01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: dishwasher every night. It saves water, and like that, I

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01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and this. I don't hopefully this is but like I

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01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: think I can. I confuse their marriage with Carson Daly

1505
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: and Tera read a lot, because it's like brunette guy,

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01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: blonde lady and Carson whatever. That other relationship definitely didn't last,

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01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: but it was a big deal. Freddie Prince Jr. And

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01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller three names, you know, six names between

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01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: the two of them. It's destined to last. Yeah, of course,

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01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 1: I hope they're washing dishes right now. Also, that's really

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01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, they have how many years has it been

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01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: since they've done a dish. Let's be real, seriously, use

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01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: a dishwasher. That's true, that's because they use the dishwasher.

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Speaker 1: Another quick behind the scenes thing. This movie was edited

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01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: by a woman, Emma E. Hiccox's shout out to Emma. Yeah, oh,

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01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to say. We called attention

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01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: to this, I think in the recap. But there is

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01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: a surprise kiss in this movie. That's a really really

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01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: sneaky surprise kiss because I didn't even realize it was

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01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: a surprise kiss until my second rewatch. But it's when

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01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: in the play Landing kisses Jamie after she sings her song.

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01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 1: And I originally just thought that that was like a

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01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: scripted part of the play that the high school student

1524
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: playwright wrote into the thing. But then I picked up

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01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: on a line that the playwright says on my second

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01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 1: rewatch where he's like, oh, interesting, rewrite you did their landing,

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01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, he's referring to the kiss. Yeah,

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: he's surprise kissed her on stage in front of everybody.

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01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: Feel like Mandy acted out the way you would a

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01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: actual surprise kiss, Like she didn't seem psyched. There is

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01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: a look of shock and surprise on her face, which

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01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: I I guess just chalked that up to like, oh,

1533
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: this is probably her first kiss ever and that's why

1534
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: she's reacting that way. But then I was like, oh, wait, no,

1535
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: that was a surprise kiss and she wasn't expecting it

1536
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and he just used the school play as an excuse

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01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: to kiss her. Also, I feel like the cringe eest

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01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: part of this movie for me is when he's like, uh,

1539
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: when she takes off her cloak. To me, that was

1540
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable moment. He forgot all of his lines,

1541
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: so ridiculous this whole I mean the fact, and that

1542
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: was like, I think one of the closer moments to

1543
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: like a true trophy, Like wow, I didn't realize that

1544
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore is very like Western beauty standards beautiful before

1545
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: she removed this colloak like what are you doing? Um? Anyways? Yeah, um,

1546
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: does anyone have anything else they would like to talk about?

1547
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: I have to click things. I just I appreciated that

1548
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the music. They used the music to indicate bad kids,

1549
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, in a very old man kind of way.

1550
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: The first the first the whole first scene up until

1551
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: when the bullied kid gets there, I could barely hear

1552
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: because the music was blaring so loud. And then that's

1553
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: a recurring theme with Landon wearing blasting headphones, and it

1554
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 1: just seemed like a get off my lawn kind of person.

1555
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: That indicated that part of the script that made me

1556
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: and you laugh, right because the bad boy kids, like

1557
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: they're heavy metal rock and roll music. Yeah, and a

1558
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: lot of you know, a lot of the with that

1559
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 1: scene where they're flipping the radio thing, it's like no mercy,

1560
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: like just like still biblical, but like the best side

1561
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 1: of it, right, he's yeah, he's listening to his devil

1562
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: music and she's listening to her god music. Yeah. And

1563
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: then the only other thing was that, oh two things.

1564
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: One also in the VHS commercials, there was a commercial

1565
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: for a O L online and in the trailer for

1566
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: this film it does have like below the rating like

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01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: a O L keyword a walk to remember for when

1568
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: we still didn't know how to search things. I just

1569
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: thought that was a nice time capsule. It was a

1570
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: simple time. My last thing was that I kept reading

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01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: about how this film was released in theaters, but then

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01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 1: also released in a family edited version, and I could

1573
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: not find what that means, Like what was edited out

1574
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: of this version for the family edited version. Maybe the

1575
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: handshake between Landon and Eric where they reference smoking weed.

1576
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I was wondering if they just edited out that guy

1577
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: and made it a fully cast right, because he's always

1578
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: making again, very sexually aggressive comments and jokes. So yeah,

1579
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: maybe they just eliminated that character altogether. I guess just

1580
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: if your fans can sound off that was it still

1581
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: bugs me. I just want to know what is what

1582
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: was edited out? Yeah, it's true. I'm curious. Yeah, this

1583
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: has to be the kind of movie this this movie,

1584
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: I can't I wonder, it's hard. It's hard to describe

1585
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: how it's like that, like I know it when I

1586
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: see it kind of thing. But you can tell when

1587
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: a movie when a lot hit the cutting room floor,

1588
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: and this movie seems like the kind of movie where

1589
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: a lot hit the cutting room floor. They did say

1590
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: that they did a lot of cuts to make sure

1591
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: it was PG not PG thirteen, one of which was

1592
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: cutting Shane singing to Mandy in the hospital only Hope,

1593
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: which I would like to hear. How did that make

1594
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: a PG thirteen. Is that too sexy? Made it too depressing? Oh?

1595
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: It was too sad? Okay. I thought it was like

1596
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: in a PG the movie you can only say shit

1597
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: or fuck once, and you can also only sing only

1598
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: hope one, oh my god, or it's adult. Yeah that

1599
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: was all I had. All right, Well, I believe the

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01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 1: movie on some technicalities, passes the Bechtel test, but I

1601
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: think that the bullying, it's only it only passes in

1602
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: scenes where Jamie is being actively bullied, which, now that

1603
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: we've talked it through, is a like narratively significant thing

1604
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: that happens. It's just sad, Yeah, I think it is.

1605
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: I think the passing is literally just a photoshop scene

1606
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: when Belinda has to like get her to follow her

1607
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: to the cafeteria, right, and then like we see Jamie

1608
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: almost make a female friend and then actually, no, she's

1609
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: not allowed to have any female friends. Sorry, James. I

1610
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: remember the lines now. It was like, Jamie, you would

1611
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: look really pretty with makeup here, come with me? Do

1612
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: you want to? Oh my god? It really is like

1613
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: the one of the worst passes we've ever had is

1614
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: even an egg. Right. She's basically like, your face is bad.

1615
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: Your breath is bad. Come with me so that I

1616
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: can keep bullying you. Yeah, come to the table so

1617
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,799
Speaker 1: I can keep bullying you with all my cool friends.

1618
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: Also like to like fourteen people go to that school

1619
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: that just all of it's so bizarre. I feel like

1620
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I saw fourteen kids that went to the entire school

1621
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: and all of them hate Jamie. You know, Jamie does

1622
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: seem to have a friend who is the other co

1623
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: star of the school play. Oh yeah, but we don't

1624
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: know that character's name. I don't even think we don't

1625
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: know anything about her. She barely says anything. Let Jamie

1626
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: have a friend. Seriously, I did love how her friend

1627
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: was like the perfect drama nerd. Yeah, you know, highly identifiable.

1628
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: And it's like that seems like and you would think that,

1629
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: like it seems like Jamie is kind of like well

1630
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: liked by the drama club. We have no reasoning that

1631
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: she isn't. So it's like, why can't we see her

1632
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 1: thriving outside of this relationship with Shane West a little bit?

1633
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: And also you would now that I'm like, wouldn't they

1634
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: have visited her as she was dying? They appeared to

1635
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: be her friends, right, I will say it sounded like

1636
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,959
Speaker 1: she had kept her diagnosis secret from everyone from outside

1637
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: of her father. That's true. So by the wedding, did

1638
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: they know she's sick? I don't know. I mean they

1639
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: know because of the gossip, Like Shane West kind of

1640
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: blew up her prophecy, right because all all his friends

1641
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 1: find out about it. Damn they all come around and

1642
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I was such a jerk before.

1643
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I know that. My personal experience, not with cancer, but

1644
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: with like major injuries and stuff is like I did

1645
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: have a tendency to isolate. I still do. Also could

1646
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: be depression and stuff, but like that's like me inferring

1647
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: that is her reasoning, It isn't the Only thing we

1648
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: know for the movie is that she was like I

1649
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: found out two years ago. I didn't want people to

1650
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: treat me weird and I was cool until I met you. Right. Ah,

1651
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: so much unexplained, right, But if yeah, but if we

1652
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: knew more about her character or saw things more from

1653
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,759
Speaker 1: her point of view, we would have a better sense

1654
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 1: of what the circumstances were there. So we just don't know,

1655
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: because we don't even know. She was really unpopular. The

1656
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: popular kids just didn't like her right, but it's like, yeah,

1657
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: it's it's you can be disliked by popular kids and

1658
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: still be the coolest kid in the drama club, like

1659
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: or that star club that she ran that we saw

1660
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: that one. See. Well, that kind of like brings us

1661
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: to the nipple scale because I feel like, ultimately, for me, uh,

1662
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: this movie would have worked a lot better for me

1663
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: if it had been centered around her and not Landing.

1664
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: You don't even need to get rid of Landing for

1665
01:40:55,680 --> 01:41:00,120
Speaker 1: my I'm like, okay, it's a heteroteene romance whatever, like,

1666
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 1: but but there's no reason other than the movie the

1667
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: story is being told by Nicholas Sparks's authorial voice, that

1668
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: the story is being told by Landon at all, Like

1669
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't it shouldn't be told by him. He can

1670
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: be there, but it can't be his story. I don't

1671
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: know which. Again, it makes her her burn his sister's

1672
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: burned so much like I don't want you telling the

1673
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: world about my life. I'm not going to read this

1674
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 1: interpretation you had of me. So shall we shall we?

1675
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Shall we bust out that nipple scale. Let's do it.

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: Zero to five nipples based on examining the movie through

1677
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens. I'm going to give this movie,

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01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a one and a half, maybe

1679
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: a two, maybe somewhere split in the middle of that.

1680
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's not high. It really adheres

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01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 1: to a lot of the tropes of like the teen

1682
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: romance genre of like a boy nigging and being cruel

1683
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: to a girl and wearing her down when he does

1684
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: decide that she's worthy of him, and then falling in

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01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: love and still being shitty to her a lot of

1686
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: the time. And yeah, the fact that, like you said, Jimmie,

1687
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: it's that it's told from his point of view, even

1688
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 1: though he doesn't have an interesting perspective on this narrative

1689
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: at all. And I would much rather learn, like know

1690
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: about what a like very devoutly Christian girl how she

1691
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: feels about having a terminal illness. That's a way more

1692
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: interesting story. I don't give a shit about landing like anyway.

1693
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a lot of missteps, at least,

1694
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: though it doesn't fall into the territory of like a

1695
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: million racist and homophobic jokes that get made in a

1696
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of comparable movies of this era. But like, obviously

1697
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,679
Speaker 1: that bars so low that like, the movie doesn't deserve

1698
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: to be congratulated for not doing that, but that but

1699
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: that's why I was like, Oh, it's not as problematic

1700
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: as I thought it was going to be. They compressed

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01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: it all into that one person, into Eric. Yeah, exactly,

1702
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: um for justice for Eric. So yeah, that it's it's

1703
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: not the worst example we've seen, but it's certainly not great.

1704
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 1: So I'll give it. I'll give it one and a

1705
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 1: half nipples. I'll give one nipple to Jamie Loftist. I

1706
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: was gonna say this episode has been very stressful for

1707
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 1: me overall. You guys, I keep being like, um, and

1708
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll give one nipple to you Jamie, and

1709
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: my half nipple too. And wait, how does the song go?

1710
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of listening to this and we're all

1711
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: singing it in wildly different keys, and they're like, I'm

1712
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to like edit it so it like actually

1713
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: sinks up because I think, could you please pitch correct

1714
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: all three of us that were singing. Of course, I'll

1715
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: put some auto tune onto at least my voice, because

1716
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I have the worst singing voice. Um. Yeah, so that

1717
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: amazing song gets my half Nickel and uh yeah one

1718
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, I'll do one and a half

1719
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: as well. I feel like, and I agree with We're

1720
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: coming from Caitlin. I feel like this movie like shouldn't

1721
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: be congratulated for what it dodges. I think the truly

1722
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: the one thing that I felt like, oh, this movie

1723
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 1: seems to be intentionally dodging this trope is the fact

1724
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 1: that Jamie doesn't get this big makeover at any point

1725
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 1: for core. You know, she doesn't do ah like Sandy

1726
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,600
Speaker 1: from Grease thing. She just like her personality changes, and

1727
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: I think all of the asshole popular kids think she's

1728
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: cool and you're like, why are we here? Um? But

1729
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, like Jamie retains her core values and qualities

1730
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: and is loved for them, which I feel like is

1731
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 1: a generally more positive message than most teen movies we're

1732
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: giving us at that time. That is, I think like

1733
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: the main strength of the movie, which I think I read,

1734
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: was the director's hard choice, Like he made that a

1735
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: strong rule, like I don't want to do a reveal.

1736
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to do shank Man, all right, Yeah

1737
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: that makes me really happen, Like yeah, I I totally.

1738
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've I think I criticized this movie

1739
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 1: pretty from a lot of ankles, um Ultimately, I it

1740
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: holds up way better than I thought it would. This

1741
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: will not be the last time I watched this movie.

1742
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: It feels it's just like a very comfort movie to watch.

1743
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, her dream is to get married

1744
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: will Gross whatever her right. I wish that we had

1745
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: seen a more a better characterization of Landon's character and

1746
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: that it wasn't so centered around him, because outside of

1747
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 1: the fact that it's not really fair to Jamie's character,

1748
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: it also like everything else going on in Landon's life

1749
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: is really boring to me, and I don't care about

1750
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: him and his father, except I love the scene where

1751
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: he's mad at his father for not knowing the cure

1752
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 1: to cancer. That's hilarious, but I don't care. It's also

1753
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: another example of like a male redemption story, and not

1754
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 1: that those can't be done well and aren't valuable, but

1755
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't think this was done well, nor was this

1756
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: redemption earned to me, so I think it could have

1757
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: been earned, which is kind of frustrating. It could have

1758
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: been earned, but it wasn't. The way that the story

1759
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: plays out, but iconic Mandy Moore performance. Love her, love

1760
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: her high school soprano voice. That is literally a voice

1761
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 1: you would hear on stage in a high school as

1762
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore style, like she is not singing from the

1763
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: diaphragm at all, like it is it is. I love it.

1764
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 1: Those were some of the things my voice teacher was

1765
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:14,439
Speaker 1: trying to correct right there, like trying not to sound

1766
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: like Mandy Moore. But it's so easy to sound if

1767
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: you just I don't know. I highly recommend Mandy Moore

1768
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite karaoke go toos because it's

1769
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: so easy and it's so effective. I'm sure something to

1770
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 1: give it one and a half and I'll give one

1771
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: to Jamie Sullivan and then I'll give the other half

1772
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:42,759
Speaker 1: to Darryl Hannah's wig. Oh yes, good Sam, what about you? Yeah?

1773
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean I still on this viewing where I also

1774
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 1: did you know an obsessive deep dive? Um. I'm really

1775
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,759
Speaker 1: just taking away and wanting to rewatch the film again

1776
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: from the lens of you know, the brother of a

1777
01:47:56,439 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: dying woman who's obsessed with her husband who's going out

1778
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: of his way to marry a dead person. I feel

1779
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: like that are dying person. Um, I feel like that

1780
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: really makes everything make a little more sense. Um. And

1781
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: I you know, I am gonna go high. I'm gonna

1782
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 1: give it to nipples, and I'm going to give those

1783
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 1: nipples to every person who got horny during this movie

1784
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: as a kid or as an adult or whatever. Um,

1785
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 1: because I do feel like, you know, I I don't

1786
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: know how I feel as an adult in the entertainment

1787
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: industry about they're being real chemistry between a sixteen seventeen

1788
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: year old and a twenty three year old, but it is,

1789
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:44,759
Speaker 1: it is palpable, and for me it was a big

1790
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: bisexual awakening. And I can't imagine I'm the only one

1791
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: sure you're not. Yeah, It's like, it's just that the

1792
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 1: industry should not present opportunities for that to be the

1793
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: case for a under a age actor and a of

1794
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: age actor. That should never be a thing where they're

1795
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,640
Speaker 1: on screen together in a romantic context and where the

1796
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 1: crew is you know, aware there, everyone's aware of a

1797
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 1: romance forming I r L and not inhibiting that because

1798
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: it helps the performance, right, So if you had an awakening,

1799
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: it's not your fault, it's but it is the fault

1800
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: of the production for making those casting choices you're so anyway,

1801
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: maybe it will make you feel better to know that

1802
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 1: this movie made Mandy Moore get back into her religion.

1803
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: So if you're feeling guilty about her horny nous, it

1804
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,759
Speaker 1: seems like she might have. She got she got to horny,

1805
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: and then she's like, I need to go, I need

1806
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: to find God again. She wasn't. The horny nous didn't

1807
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 1: take her down a wicked path. I love great Andy Moore.

1808
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 1: I hope she's not shitty is because I just I

1809
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,879
Speaker 1: love her. Although she was famously for a while watching

1810
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: Me Asleep, which I didn't care for. That's kind of

1811
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of mean, and she's never apologized for that,

1812
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: which I do think is very telling of her character.

1813
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: I did very briefly meet her one time. She did

1814
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: a show at Nerd Melt and I saw her and

1815
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: showed her where the green room was. So she was

1816
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: very nice, she seems to me in that moment, So

1817
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: that means she's nice to everyone all the time forever.

1818
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 1: That is how that works. Thank you so much for

1819
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: being here, Sam, This was such a blast. I'm so

1820
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: glad we did this movie. Thank you for having me.

1821
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm so honored. To be here. This is one of

1822
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts and I love having these discussions. I

1823
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 1: r l or on pod and I appreciate you guys

1824
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity to kind of process this home

1825
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: now as an adult. Oh anytime, any time, come on back.

1826
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I had one more connection to Titanic. Yes,

1827
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: so we have the hot car, we have somebody dying

1828
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: slowly and yeah switch Foot mentions Titanic that those are

1829
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 1: my three got it? Yeah it's Cannon. Well there's I

1830
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: would say there aren't enough Titanic connections in this movie,

1831
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: but that's just me. Yeah, I could have I could

1832
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: have staid to have a couple more and there was

1833
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: room for it. And yeah they were they were like

1834
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: weren't they seaside or somehow? There were boats there were

1835
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 1: there were both. There's water, they go into the water.

1836
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 1: They belly Some characters belly flop into the water in

1837
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: both movies. There is there are there are near near

1838
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 1: fatal belly flops, and there's a and there's a wearing

1839
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: down relationship that we're rooting for and who is Belinda?

1840
01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: But cal Hockley played by Billy's Andrew makes you think,

1841
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: makes you think Billy Zane should have been in this movie.

1842
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina could have played the priest Dad no offense

1843
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:12,599
Speaker 1: Peter Coyote, but he's already played. He was a priest

1844
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: in Chuckle Law, so I guess he was like no, wait, no,

1845
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: he was the mayor in Chuckle Law. He was a

1846
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 1: priest in the Da Vinci Code. Back to Da Vinci. Yes,

1847
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: oh my god, langdon, langdon. The Da Vinci code is Apple.

1848
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: Never forget code was the word apple. I'm never I'm

1849
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 1: never going to get over that. Sorry, Uh Sam? Where

1850
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 1: can people follow you online and check out your stuff? Yeah?

1851
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 1: I do live events online events this last year, but

1852
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, as things start to open, maybe more live

1853
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: events in New York and l A as it's safe

1854
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:54,680
Speaker 1: my shows. My website is naked Comedy dot org. My

1855
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: Twitter is at Naked Underscore Comedy. My Insta is at

1856
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 1: Naked Comedy and yeah, support me if you can. I

1857
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 1: try to do inclusive shows of people from all backgrounds.

1858
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I try to make sure that my performers are paid,

1859
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 1: and I just am a solo entrepreneur trying to make

1860
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 1: a modest, very modest living while supporting my fellow comedy friends.

1861
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: Because comedy inspires me one of the greatest in the game. Also,

1862
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: to be clear, just to set the record straight, I

1863
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:36,640
Speaker 1: named Naked Comedy after Naked Juice, so it's like authentic.

1864
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: So just so if you're like, who's this naked comedy

1865
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 1: chick like criticizing Christianity and talking about being horny, actually

1866
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: it's not. That's not the vibe of all my stuff. Yeah,

1867
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 1: you can find us on mine on all of the platforms,

1868
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 1: on Twitter, on Instagram, not on TikTok, and probably never

1869
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:01,720
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Honestly, I don't. I used to download another application,

1870
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: so complan. You can find us on Bechtel Cast on

1871
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. You can sign up for our patreon

1872
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: ak Matreon, in which you will get to bonus episodes

1873
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 1: a month for only a mere five dollars, And there's

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01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 1: almost a hundred episodes hanging out there on on the Matreon.

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01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot going on. I appreciate

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01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 1: when you guys release a few Matron episodes to the

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01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: free feed. I didn't know that that Matreon was primarily

1878
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 1: recorded in bed. I feel like that's a big selling point.

1879
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: I hopefully we can get back. We can get back

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Speaker 1: there because we it's been a year since we've recorded

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Speaker 1: Matreons in Caitlymb's bed specifically. Yeah, like you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: get back. It's been a really long time, but it's

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Speaker 1: been eighty four years. It's been eighty four years and

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Speaker 1: we can still smell the fresh paint. Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Everyone will be here next week. Bye bye. Yeah