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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Suxton Show Podcast. For rolling into the second hour Tuesday

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Speaker 1: edition of the program, and we are joined now by

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Speaker 1: the Governor of Tennessee, Bill Lee. Appreciate him taking the

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Speaker 1: time to join us, especially since yesterday he issued an

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Speaker 1: executive order in his state allowing all parents to make

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Speaker 1: decisions about whether or not their kids wear masks in schools. Governor,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. How did you come to make

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Speaker 1: that decision and what has the reaction been to that

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Speaker 1: executive order that you released yesterday? Hey, Quay, thanks thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. Yeah. I have always been a

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Speaker 1: really strong believer that parents know best what their children needs.

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Speaker 1: So I'm a parent, raised four kids, got eight grandkids.

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Speaker 1: No one knows their kid like, no one cares about

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Speaker 1: their children more than their parents. And so in the

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Speaker 1: middle of all of this COVID world that we're living in,

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Speaker 1: which is people, there's a lot of fear, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of frustration and a lot of anger. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I think when we think about

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Speaker 1: children in schools in COVID and masks and vaccinations, it

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Speaker 1: ought to be left up to the parent, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm also a believer in you know, government is

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Speaker 1: closest to the people's the best, so I think local

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Speaker 1: decision making is important. So our executive order actually gives

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Speaker 1: a school district the authority to impose a mandate, but

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Speaker 1: it gives the parent the ability to opt out of

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Speaker 1: that if they choose it. Governor leeds buck here, So

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Speaker 1: are some of the city's localities. Are any of them

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Speaker 1: trying to take some kind of action, you know, against this?

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Speaker 1: Are they fighting it? Are they saying they're going to

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Speaker 1: as a governor to court? How is this being received? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, this just happened yesterday afternoon, so you know,

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Speaker 1: we're kind of getting some first responses of a couple

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Speaker 1: of districts that have said, you know, they're looking at

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Speaker 1: their legal options. What I hope is that those districts

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Speaker 1: we have, we have some almost one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: districts in our state. There are two of them that

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Speaker 1: have kept their schools closed the longest have been most

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Speaker 1: have had to have had frankly had the worst outcomes

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Speaker 1: academically of the rest of our districts. Most of the

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Speaker 1: districts in this state have figured out how to navigate

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Speaker 1: this forward. Actually, a couple of them had already imposed

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Speaker 1: a mandate with an opt out. I'm hopeful that these

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Speaker 1: two districts that have already spoken up, we'll actually realize, hey,

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Speaker 1: this makes a lot of common sense. The rest of

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Speaker 1: the districts in this state have figured out how to

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Speaker 1: do it, we should too. What would you tell parents

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Speaker 1: who are in the two districts are Nashville and Memphis,

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Speaker 1: mostly city schools. What would you tell parents there who

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Speaker 1: may not want their kids to wear masks, but the

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Speaker 1: school districts are saying, hey, we don't care necessarily about

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Speaker 1: the governor's order. You are expected to wear a mask

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Speaker 1: in this school. How should parents respond in your mind?

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Speaker 1: In Davidson County and in Shelby County, in Nashville and

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Speaker 1: in Memphis. You know, I think well, I think one

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Speaker 1: of the things that's been important to me is that

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Speaker 1: parents have really put voice to this all across the country,

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Speaker 1: and it's a part of what has occurred. Even in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Parents have made their voices known, and they ought to

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Speaker 1: make it known in the two counties and the two

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Speaker 1: school their stricts that we have that are, you know,

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Speaker 1: making noise about not complying with the law. I would

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Speaker 1: encourage parents to make their voice known and to let

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Speaker 1: them know that the laws as it stands, is for

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Speaker 1: them to opt out, and that's what they that's what

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Speaker 1: they want to do. Governor Lee Buck again, I just

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Speaker 1: want to know how concerned you are as a governor

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Speaker 1: of a state that's trying to give parents choice about masks,

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Speaker 1: and also of Tennessee. I'm a New Yorker, New York City,

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Speaker 1: of the worst decision making by a governor and by

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Speaker 1: a mayor I think of anybody in the country during COVID,

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Speaker 1: how concerned are you about federal policy starting to infringe

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Speaker 1: upon the freedoms and protections that the residents of the

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Speaker 1: state of Tennessee should have, essentially the Biden administration coming

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Speaker 1: in and whether it's on interstate travel mandates, about vaccination

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Speaker 1: you seeing some indicators that that's something you may have

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Speaker 1: to combat as a governor? Well? Worried? You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't worry about that. I'll certainly see it come in.

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Speaker 1: We watched this every day since January. We've seen government

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Speaker 1: overreach and the federal government trying to tell states what

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Speaker 1: to do on policy after policy. So I will I

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Speaker 1: won't be at all surprised if we see that kind

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Speaker 1: But we will. We will push back and we will

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Speaker 1: talk back. When they tell us what to do, we

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Speaker 1: will tell them what we're going to do. I really

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Speaker 1: think that states have a lot of power Constitutionally, they

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Speaker 1: majority of states are run by Republicans. There is a

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Speaker 1: great awareness and I think you've seen that even that

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Speaker 1: the federal government will say what they think states ought

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Governor Bill Lee. Governor, you had an employee inside

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Speaker 1: on CNN and said that she got a dog muzzle

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Speaker 1: the things that she was saying. She sents no longer

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Speaker 1: with the state of Tennessee, but an investigation yesterday, according

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Speaker 1: to report from Axios, the Tennessee Department of Safety and

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security determined the muzzle was purchased from a credit

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Speaker 1: card in this woman's names A wild story. When did

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Speaker 1: you become aware of this story? And what can you

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Speaker 1: tell us, if anything, about your knowledge of that investigation.

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Speaker 1: You know, I knew our Department of Safety was investigating it,

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Speaker 1: and the report came out yesterday. I actually haven't read

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Speaker 1: the report myself. I've got a lot more to think

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Speaker 1: about than a disgruntled ex employee. As an employer for

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, I don't spend a lot of time

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Speaker 1: thinking about that. I moved on to the next subject,

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Speaker 1: so I'll read the report at some point, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not spending a lot of time there. Governor Leak, can

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Speaker 1: you tell us about your possible coordination with governors of

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Speaker 1: like minded states? I mean, RHNDA, Santisa, Florida comes to mind,

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Speaker 1: Governor Abbott of Texas, perhaps a few others that I'm

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Speaker 1: not even naming here Where you're just do you speak

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Speaker 1: to any other governors about COVID policy or are you

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Speaker 1: reaching out to two experts or to folks in those

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Speaker 1: So I've actually chaired the what they call the Public

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Speaker 1: Policy Committee of the Republican Governors Association. There's twenty seven

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Speaker 1: governors we um during COVID in particular, in the last year,

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Speaker 1: in the height of the pandemic about issues that we share,

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Speaker 1: challenges that we faced. I talked to governors every week.

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Speaker 1: or governor Governor Abbott. And you know, for example, I

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Speaker 1: be helpful not only in our in our policy, but

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Speaker 1: in our messaging to the federal government. Yes, or I

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Speaker 1: talked to governors on a regular basis about everything from

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Speaker 1: the energy policy in this country that has been threatened

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Speaker 1: by things like Keystone pipeline cancelation, to border, the border catastrophe,

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Speaker 1: that we have issues that matter to and COVID issues

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Speaker 1: that matter to all of us. Governor, ly appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you. The Raiders, the Oakland Raiders used

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Speaker 1: This year, New York City just implemented its own vaccine passports.

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Speaker 1: Sports have been an important part of normalcy, and you

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Speaker 1: did a great job ensuring that high school sports were

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Speaker 1: Tennessee last year. Do you anticipate that people will be

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Speaker 1: that allowed under Tennessee law? What kind of expectations do

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Speaker 1: all over the country, really football seasons. Sure hope that

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Speaker 1: we let no one moves toward that in our state

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Speaker 1: or the concept of vaccine passports. Terrible idea, not just

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about political. I'm a business guy.

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Speaker 1: Why would you want to shun half of your customers

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Speaker 1: it's a bad business idea. Uh, it's forcing. You know,

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Speaker 1: It keeps people safe. I'm encouraging people to do it,

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Speaker 1: but making them do it is counterproductive. In fact, in

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all have a good day, you know, Clay. The

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Speaker 1: military perspective, John, our focus is at the airport right

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Speaker 1: But again that's something that we're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: we're Americans. We call the Taliban. They don't speak Pashto.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to hear them go Poliban. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to hear that. I know that people

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Speaker 1: say Arabic, but that's not the point. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about what it is that they're now trying to communicate

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Speaker 1: to the American people being all true, they care about

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Speaker 1: how it makes them look. And that's what I think

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Speaker 1: we continue to see play out here with the White

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Speaker 1: House and Jake. So that's why they're having this press

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Speaker 1: briefing right now is because Biden failed yesterday. I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say this response today is an indication

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Speaker 1: that Biden's address failed in many ways, and they knew

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Speaker 1: that he would get criticized for not taking questions, so

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Speaker 1: they brought Jensaki back out of her vacation. She's gonna

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Speaker 1: trot up there say she'll circle back a few times.

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Speaker 1: And the media that has otherwise been furious because the

448
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Speaker 1: White House hasn't shown up for basically a week to discuss,

449
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Speaker 1: like you said, the biggest calamity. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say in a couple agin or generations from a

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Speaker 1: foreign policy perspective, and right now they're trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to catch up with their week's worth of failures, both

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Speaker 1: on the ground and in media. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this time when they're talking, we're seeing

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Speaker 1: videos that counteract what they're saying. Right they may have

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Speaker 1: the airport open, but are people allowed to reach the airport.

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Speaker 1: That's a big part of this as well. And there

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Speaker 1: are videos, you know, because we live in this social

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Speaker 1: media era, there are video, and the Taliban does not

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Speaker 1: have unlike some other situations where you know, the Chinese government,

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Speaker 1: the Russian government can shut down communications. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Taliban has spent a long time trying to blow up

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Speaker 1: cell towers and create chaos just to do that, but

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Speaker 1: they don't have the ability to stop you know, cell

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Speaker 1: service and shut down everything nationwide. So you are seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of video. You're seeing a lot of real

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Speaker 1: time updates on what's happening on the ground here. And

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Speaker 1: that means that you have, for example, right now, video

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Speaker 1: circulating of Taliban lining lining people up and against the

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Speaker 1: wall and cobb Unfortunately, you have not seen widespread executions yet.

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Speaker 1: But from what I understand, you can hear in some

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Speaker 1: of the audio I've been reading some of the transcripts

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. You can hear people yelling, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: Amriki or we all know what that means. When you're

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Speaker 1: lining up people against the wall and cobble right now

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Speaker 1: and you hear something that sounds like America, it's did

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Speaker 1: you work with the Americans and we all know that

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Speaker 1: the wrong answer that could get people killed. So this

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Speaker 1: is a pretty terrifying situation that continues to play out here,

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Speaker 1: and the Biden administration receiving all do a probrium on

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Speaker 1: this one and then some But look, it's you sec

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Speaker 1: SAT words, SAT or whatever it takes. Those are definitely

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Speaker 1: not SEC words. I'll tell you that much. Whatever it takes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we'll come back into this in a second. Remember

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Speaker 1: we've got Tommy Laren joining us at the top of

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Speaker 1: the next hour talking about where this Biden administration goes

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Speaker 1: from here and how they can start to or what

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Speaker 1: they will start to do, which my theory is that

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Speaker 1: goubling down on COVID, making the insurrection the big news

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Speaker 1: story this fall. I mean, I don't know, that sounds crazy,

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Speaker 1: but they'll find a way. They got to try to

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Speaker 1: control the optics because of all the disasters that they're

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Speaker 1: putting the American people through. We can see it. They

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Speaker 1: can't hide that. And you know, America vowed to never forget.

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Speaker 1: And the twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven is almost here.

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Speaker 1: Let that sink in. Twenty years since the deadliest terror

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Speaker 1: attack on American soil. So much has changed since then,

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Speaker 1: but one foundation remains committed to honoring the lives lost

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Speaker 1: on nine to eleven and the heroes who continue to

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Speaker 1: serve our communities and country, the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.

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Speaker 1: This year they're bringing back towers of light tributes to

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon and Flight ninety three memorials because of your support,

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Speaker 1: because you remember. Frank Siller, the chairman and CEO, is

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Speaker 1: honoring the fallen Clay by walking more than five hundred

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Speaker 1: miles to connect the nine to eleven sites. Indeed, on

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Speaker 1: the morning of nine to eleven, he's also retracing his

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Speaker 1: baby brothers footsteps to ground zero twenty years later. Talk

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Speaker 1: about emotional. The foundations also starting new traditions, reading the

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Speaker 1: names of every person lost to nine to eleven related illness,

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Speaker 1: and in a separate ceremony, the names of soldiers lost

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Speaker 1: in the War on Terror as well. Help our country

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Speaker 1: to never forget. Donate eleven dollars a month at T

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Speaker 1: twot dot org. That's t the number two t dot org.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Clay Travison Buck Sexton show Buck

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Speaker 1: Here with Clay. We're gonna be joined by a special

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Speaker 1: guest Tommy Laron of Fox News here in studio in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of Nashvillians gonna be getting up

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Speaker 1: on me. The city the city boy from New York

519
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: who is watching his hometown Clay just descend into the depths.

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Speaker 1: We're just talking about it off the air. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you had to show your vaccine card to be able.

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Speaker 1: I will just got it. You got to carry it

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Speaker 1: around in your wallet to carry, just like a normal ID.

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Speaker 1: This is a show your papers law. But remember, showing

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Speaker 1: an idea to vote is racist. That's showing an ID

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Speaker 1: and a vaccine passport for millions of people who don't

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Speaker 1: even need the vaccine based on the science we already have. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what Fauci says needs to happen. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: did you have to show an idea photo ID to

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Speaker 1: get your vaccine too? Right? Yes, of course, which which

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Speaker 1: is like, so the essence for people out there who say, well,

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Speaker 1: voting is a constitutional right, well, a lot of left

533
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Speaker 1: wingers believe that healthcare is a right too. But in

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Speaker 1: order to get your vaccine, you have to have an ID,

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Speaker 1: so you could die theoretically if you didn't have an ID,

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Speaker 1: which seems like it's kind of race. I still love

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Speaker 1: the nurse at the city run health center telling me

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Speaker 1: you sure you want to get something like you get

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Speaker 1: people vaccines all day. She's like, look, I got no choice.

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of funny. You know, We've had

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Speaker 1: a call that we wanted to get you for a

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Speaker 1: while here, just because it sounds like it can bring

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Speaker 1: such interesting perspective or discussions about Afghanistan. John in Stanford,

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Speaker 1: Connecticut was says here part of the Saigon evacuation. John, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Buck and Clay, great job. Pray for you

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Speaker 1: both all the time. God bless you. Yes, yes, I

547
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: was in the marine. I was in Marine Corps and

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Speaker 1: we were involved in the evacuation of Sigon, and so

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Speaker 1: many parallels are going on here. It's like we've learned nothing.

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Speaker 1: The big takeaway I takeaway from this and I'm a

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Speaker 1: little emotional, but please, you know, every sold your fight

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Speaker 1: so his sons won't have to fight the same mistakes

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Speaker 1: are being made. We went in there for purposely for evacuation.

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Speaker 1: It turned into crowd control, right ride of control. Really

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Speaker 1: much like just like you're seeing now the chopper on

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Speaker 1: top of the embassy and Sigon was a picture of

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Speaker 1: that evacuation. This evacuation, I believe, will be that C.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen on the runway with all the nationals around it,

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Speaker 1: just total madness and chaos. Now, they could have learned

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Speaker 1: from that mistake and kept marines and soldiers in country

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Speaker 1: until the embassy was clear, if that was their goal.

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Speaker 1: Does it just bring you back? You kind of talked

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Speaker 1: about it, but nineteen seventy five, does it feel like

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Speaker 1: you're almost snapping your fingers when because because Biden the

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Speaker 1: administration have said we're not going to have a Sigon

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Speaker 1: like situation. As someone who was in Saigon, when you

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Speaker 1: watch what's going on in Afghanistan right now, it feels

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Speaker 1: like basically the same thing to you all over again.

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Speaker 1: It breaks my heart. I'm in tears and I noticed

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Speaker 1: like to have a generation of soldiers fight and die

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Speaker 1: for nothing, and we're just seeing it again. This does

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Speaker 1: not have to be. We have the finest our country

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Speaker 1: has to offer, and this is going on and it's

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Speaker 1: because of poor leadership. And believe me, it goes deeper

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Speaker 1: than that, and you guys know it, but yes it did.

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Speaker 1: I'm there. I can't even watch the news. It just

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Speaker 1: it's just too that reel to me. Well, John, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your service, first of all, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your perspective and calling in and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are feeling the way you are, you know, and thank

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Speaker 1: you again John. You know, Clay, we had Sean Parnell

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Speaker 1: on yes, you know, as a long time good friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, and you know he's just that's that's a

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Speaker 1: guy who loves his country and just loves his brother

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Speaker 1: and sister veterans with all of his heart. You could

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Speaker 1: hear him yesterday just saying to all of them because

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Speaker 1: for you know, for us, we sit here. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was in Afghanistan the CIA, but I wasn't I

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Speaker 1: wasn't a combatant on the front lines. I wasn't somebody

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Speaker 1: who was wearing the uniform. And you know, we talk

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Speaker 1: about this in terms of policy. For a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who are listening right now, it's night spent wondering

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Speaker 1: if the outpost was going to get overrun. It's seeing

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Speaker 1: friends getting medivac to bog Ram, not knowing if they're

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Speaker 1: going to make it to Germany where they're going to

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Speaker 1: have to have serious operations after being hit by IEDs,

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Speaker 1: and they're watching what's happening here and the ineptitude and

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Speaker 1: the incompetence of the Biden administration, the people who are

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Speaker 1: making these decisions, the lies they're telling, and they're furious.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, it's to your point, the decision to

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Speaker 1: leave Afghanistan is one thing. The Biden Administration's refusal to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the chaotic disaster that leaving Afghanistan. That's the story,

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Speaker 1: right and they're trying to turn it into the method

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Speaker 1: in which the choice was made to leave Afghanistan. People

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Speaker 1: aren't focused right now on the choice to leave Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: That's honestly a debate we've had for a long time,

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Speaker 1: a decade or more. And if it came years pretty

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Speaker 1: much bipartisan clear majority to be there that we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: stay there forever. That's what That's what pushed this on.

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Speaker 1: That's whatw you leave does matter, and it matters in

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Speaker 1: a massive way. And the fact that you and I

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Speaker 1: could sit here last week, that you could sit here

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Speaker 1: with us on the air last month, Buck and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: the people that I'm talking to are saying the Taliban's

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Speaker 1: going to be in control of Afghanistan really really fast,

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Speaker 1: far faster than what they are saying publicly, the fact

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden on July eighth could say, We're not

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Speaker 1: going to have a Sigon situation, We're not going to

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Speaker 1: have our embassy being stormed, We're not going to leave

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Speaker 1: in a chaotic fashion. And all of those things can

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Speaker 1: be blown up and be proven false within five and

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Speaker 1: a half weeks and they won't acknowledge that. That's where

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Speaker 1: I think a great deal of the anger comes. You

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Speaker 1: can retreat with honor, and our government did not allow

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Speaker 1: our soldiers to do that. Well, there's also a belief

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Speaker 1: and when we're talking again Sean Seawan yesterday, Sean Parnell

627
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Speaker 1: who's a tenth Mountain and wrote a really excellent memoir

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Speaker 1: called Outlaw Platoon about his time there, which I'd recommend

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Speaker 1: any of you want to know what it was like

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Speaker 1: to be taking incoming and in close quarters battles with

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Speaker 1: Taliban inert Hakani backed Taliban insurgents. We could talk about

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Speaker 1: the Kanni network and the evils they're in another day.

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Speaker 1: But they felt like they fought so hard Clay to

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Speaker 1: give a lot of them, a lot of veterans you

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Speaker 1: talk to, you, to give the Afghans a chance that's right,

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Speaker 1: and so at least if they had, if the Afghan

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Speaker 1: Army had stood up and fought for Ito for a

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Speaker 1: period of time where it felt like they got to

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Speaker 1: maybe a standstill, a stalemate, and then there'd be some negotiation,

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Speaker 1: they'd be in a better position. They didn't think that

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Speaker 1: they were just that the Afghan national government and the

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Speaker 1: Afghan Army was going to roll over. So they feel

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Speaker 1: like they gave them a chance for what That's what

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Speaker 1: and what is that responsibility going to look like. That's

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Speaker 1: Sexton fund the EIB Network three