1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,440 Speaker 1: Worrying. 2 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Today's episode contains general spoilers for Marvel movies and the 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: X Men's stories and the Fox slash Disney slash Marvel Verse. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Be warned. Hello, my name is Jascontepsio and on Rosday 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Night and welcome back to x Ray Vision of the 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: podcast Will Dive Vivia to your favorite shows, movies, comments 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: of pop culture coming to you from my heart Will. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: We're bringing you episodes every Tuesday and Thursday, plus the 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Summer Speakers movies on Friday, ned News on Saturday. 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are pitching big Marvel our ideas 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: for an X Men movie. Remember when everyone said, hey, 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: don't post that online, save that till you pitch them. Well, 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: guess what we're putting them in a podcast. We've had 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: hints and teases of Marvel mutants, but it's time to 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: share how we would like to bring them to the 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: big screen and enter the MCU. But this is a business. 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: It's not for fun, so we'll have to convince the 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: studio heads. But our idea is the best way to 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: bring the Xavier Institute to life. So Jason introduce the 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: studio heads. 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: Let's welcome our studio heads now to the dais. First up, Aboo, 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: the CFO of Box Office returns a boo. 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: Definitely a real job. 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 4: Happy to be here, love a spreadsheet. Can't wait to 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 4: see how much money we're going to make. 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: Next up, Carmen, our head of Marketing and the Department 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: of How it look, Carmen, how it look? 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 5: I'm doing great. I'm here with my magnifying glass making 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 5: sure that all the details are very precise and very 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: looking good. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely fantastic. Next up, Ian, Marvel's chief counsel and the 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: Chief Nostalgia Officer, the CNO of Brand Restoration. 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 6: Ian, welcome, happy to be here. You know we're in 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 6: a little bit of a slump, so we need to 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 6: bring that feeling back. Let's get back on track, baby. 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: And then finally, our head of the Pauline Kale Department 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: of Critical acclaim, Joel, Joel, Monique, how are you? 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 7: This is the year the oscar has learned to respect 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 7: the superhero film? 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: Okay, game changing. 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: Is what's happening. It's happening. 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: And then finally we're delighted to have with us today 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: and it's very pack. Schedule is made time for us. 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: The head of X Ray Vision CEOs. It's Eric Kaufman 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: CFO CEO CEO, the Big Huna, the Big Cheese l 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: he himself eron, how are you? 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm fired up right now. I can tell 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna love all your pitches and I cannot wait. 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Let's go. 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: He's been through a pitch, guys. 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: So just so the two of you know, we're gonna 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: have you each pitch a movie to us. You know, 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: give us your cast, your director, storyline, you name it. 54 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: And look, I can already tell that I'm gonna love 55 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: all of these pitches and they're gonna be perfect. And 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I also know we're definitely gonna have a couple notes 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: that we'll give you. So we're gonna give you a 58 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: couple notes. You get a little bit of time to 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: think about those, and then you let us know which 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: one of those you're gonna adapt into your movie, and 61 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: then our studio heads will convene, we'll vote on which 62 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: of the pitches we think is the best direction for 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: the MCU, and we will greenlight that and we'll be 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: on our way. 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 4: Al righty, Jason heads, Rosie tails and it's tales first. 66 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: So Rosie, let's hear your pitch. 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, so much, guys to taking the time. I 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: know you guys are so busy. I appreciate you coming 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: out here listening to the pitch of an x Men 70 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: movie by me, somebody who's never written a movie before, 71 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: So thank you. This is something I've been dreaming of 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: to pitch an x Men movie. My x Men movie 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: is called x Men Underground and the director is d Reese. 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: It is not going to be a Netflix movie, so 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: they will not fuck her shit up. If you've seen 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: the incredible mud Bound, you'll know she's already a fantastic director. 77 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: She has been longing to do sci fi. And the 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: cast is Jody Turner Smith as Storm and Melissa Barrera 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: as Callisto. Those are the two main characters in this movie, 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: and essentially it is going to be a story about 81 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: the underground community known as the Morlocks. They will be 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: living under New Jersey Underground. This could easily tie into 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: what was established with Molman's Underground universe in Fantastic Four, 84 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: or could be a slight reboot if you guys are 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: trying to move away from that storyline. It will be 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: about Callisto losing control of the underworld of the Morlocks 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: and Storm arriving and suggesting that instead of everybody just 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: following one leader blindly, they create some kind kind of 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: you know, class hierarchical system and perhaps even consider joining 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: Charles Xavier's School for young Mutants. But there is an issue. 91 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: The issue is that Moleman, though he began as a 92 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: helpful person just trying to make more space more affordable 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: living in New York City, has become crazed with power 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: and only wants one gang to live underground, and begins 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: to start trying to take over the surface world, causing 96 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: the rift between humans and mutants that we have long 97 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: questioned how it would exist in the MCU. And finally, 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: you know, the Molocks will return alongside Storm and help 99 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: fight Molman, joining the mutant surface world. Thank you, guys 100 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: for my pitch. 101 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, Jodie Turner, Smith's so hot right now off 102 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Tron Love Sobrera, I love a connection to Moolman. I 103 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: am so into this, Rosie. Jason, do you have a 104 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: pitch for us as well? I do have a pitch, but. 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: I want to stress beforehand that I'm going to leave 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: the casting to you guys. I've come up with the outline, 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: the log line the general arc of my story, and 108 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: I hope and I think the power of that will 109 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: carry my argument. My movie is called X Men Colan Insurgency. 110 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: They came from a Doom world to stop ours from coming. 111 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: In this movie will take place after Doomsday and Secret Wars, 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: when the multiverse, we assume will collapse. A small group 113 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: of mutants that were in the Doomsday world God Emperor 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Doom's enforcers, to a certain extent, find themselves stranded in 115 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: the six one six main timeline of the MCU, in 116 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: their new now from their world, the world from which 117 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: they came. This is the Rachel Summer's sentence, a death 118 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: world in which all mutants are hunted and herded into camps, 119 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: exploited and exterminated. These mutants arrive in our world and 120 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: they recognize all around them the early warning signs here, 121 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: the laws against enhanced individuals, the military biotech programs, rising nationalism, 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: the fact that Shield was a Nazi op. They see 123 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: Sentinel technology looming and starting to come together. In their 124 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: first mission, their suspicions are absolutely confirmed when they discover 125 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 2: a experimental procedure that's designed to be the next step 126 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: in the super Soldier program, and it is based on 127 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: the powers and exploiting the powers of one mutant named 128 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: Logan who's been allowed for centuries. He's at a Canadian 129 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: American and they find him in a lab being experimented 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: on ruthlessly. This to them is proof our insurgents are Cyclops, 131 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: the leader of this covert resistance movement, Storm, the moral 132 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: center of this group. Magic, the teleporter who can move 133 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: them in and out of places that they need to be. 134 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: This is how they get into the lab. Forge, the 135 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: military engineer who is both dismantling Sentinel Tech and creating 136 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: his own tech. Nightcrawler, the spiritual conscious consciousness behind the team, 137 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: and the mystique, the shape shifter. Who is she good? 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: Is she bad? What are her ethics? It's unclear, but 139 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: we know that she's on the side of the mutants. 140 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: They see direct action against the rising tide of the 141 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: Sentinels and anti mutant fervor as absolutely necessary, and so 142 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: they must strike first. This puts them on the radar 143 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: of the Avengers the government, who are not sure are 144 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: these heroes or are these bad guys? Are they freedom 145 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: fighters or are they terrorists? What these new insurgent mutants 146 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: discover is there our mutants in this world? Deep hidden 147 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: in an underground school upstate, Charles Xavier and Eric Lencher 148 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: aka Professor X and Magneto have been four years running 149 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: a secret refuge for young mutants. The Xavier School is real, 150 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: but it's an underground place, an invisible sanctuary, in which 151 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: Xavier's philosophy is the main one, and he's basically saying, hey, 152 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: we're very powerful, but with that power comes responsibility, and 153 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: we have to hide our gifts and we have to 154 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: live amongst humans undetected because we don't want to get 155 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: everybody scared and have the humans rise against us and 156 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: make war against us. Magneto sees Charles's way as imperfect, 157 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: but kind of like the best option that they have 158 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: right now. Until Magneto comes into contact with these insurgents, 159 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: he comes to believe that they're right. The world that 160 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: they come from is the world that we are headed towards. 161 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: And in fact, look at what they did to this 162 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: mutant logan. This is the beginning of the rift between 163 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: Charles Xavier and Magneto. Not a clash between good and 164 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: evil per se, but a clash between freedom and get 165 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: along to go along, a battle between survival strategies. Magneto 166 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: will say at one point, if peace is built on silence, 167 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: is it really peace? This is my movie X Men Insurgency. 168 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Wow, love it, love it, Love the connections, and love 169 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: having Charles and Eric here all along already and we 170 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: can sort of explain away why they haven't been involved 171 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: in previous things. A great connection. I'm sure Ian, our 172 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: chief nostalgia officer, is gonna love that. We're gonna throw 173 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: to break and when we get back, we're gonna have 174 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: our first little studio head discussion and get back with 175 00:10:51,040 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: some notes. All Right, we're back, and look, we loved 176 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: both of these pitches. They were so perfect, but we 177 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: do have a couple of notes that we'd like to 178 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: call mutants mandated unnecessary talent and or narrative transformations that 179 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: we'd like you to make to your pitches, because again 180 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: they're so perfect, but we just have a couple of 181 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: things we'd like. So the first option for you is 182 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: kind of the indie route. We love your story, your direction, 183 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: you get to keep your artistic vision, but you really 184 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: only get seventy five million dollars for your budget. This 185 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: will be the lowest budget MCU movie ever. For instance, 186 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: ant Man had one hundred and thirty million dollar budget. 187 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: You get less than that. You can cast one up 188 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: and coming rising star as your lead, but the rest 189 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: of the cast needs to be TV actors, and you 190 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: can get You can assume you're gonna get probably one 191 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two hundred million dollars in box office. 192 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: So that's the indie route. Option one. Option two critically 193 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: acclaimed talent. We are hungry for talent, receiving an Oscar 194 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: buzz so hot off the heels of one battle after another. 195 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna have Paul Thomas Anderson direct, and you're somehow 196 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: he is convinced Leonardo DiCaprio and Sean Penn to star. 197 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: The movie's gonna receive critical acclaim, but it will struggle 198 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: to make more than two hundred million dollars domestically, which 199 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: means you might lose money on this movie. The third 200 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: choice you have is a standalone New Vision. Look here 201 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: at Disney, we just really need a hit right now 202 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: for the MCU, So we're gonna hand the reins over 203 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to one Christopher Nolan, and he's just gonna reboot the 204 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: entire thing. So no multiverse, no Infinity Stones, no Doom, whatever, 205 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: just Christopher Nolan and Michael Kine. That's where we're starting with. However, 206 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: he's a little hesitant to sign on for more because 207 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: he was really tired after doing the Batman trilogy. So 208 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: we get him for one movie, but we're gonna make 209 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars Option four. Youth mail audience is 210 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: really important to our marketing, and so you have to 211 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: cast Sidney Sweeney is Emma Frost, machine Gun, Kelly is 212 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Mister Sinister, and Jake and Logan Paul as Cyclops and Havoc. Congratulations, 213 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: you've secured the youth mail audience. You are guaranteed at 214 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: least five hundred million in domestic box office and the 215 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: final option overseas is what really matters here. Okay, this 216 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: story will be heavily, heavily curated and has to be 217 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: very conservative culturally, but congratulations, this movie is playing in 218 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: China and this is going to gross more than Deadpool 219 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: and Wolverine. That means one point five to two billion 220 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: dollars worldwide. This will easily become one of the top 221 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: five MCU box office returns. Ever, so again you can 222 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: have an indie Darling small budget seventy five million. You 223 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: can have critically acclaimed talent but not great box office. 224 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: You can have a standalone new vision, but it is 225 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: entirely forgoing all of the previous MCU. You can go 226 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: for the youth mail audience. I don't care what your 227 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: story is, care what your director is. You just got 228 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: to have the Paul Brothers in there, or five overseas markets. 229 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: You gotta make it so that China is okay with it, 230 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: but you are going to make bank, all right. So 231 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: those are our five options for you. 232 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, Aaron, Thank you head of too many options. 233 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: Whenever we let you have the mic. This is a 234 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: continuing theme with the head of the studio who is 235 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: happy to carry a really cool conceit under multiple options 236 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: that I forget the first one. By the time we 237 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: get to the fifth one, I think, oh, thank you 238 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: for pacing those in there. I'll go first. I'm going 239 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: to reject all of these false choices, but kind of 240 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: lean towards number one. Whatever happened to make a good movie. 241 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: I know it's very interesting to hear to get the 242 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: notes back from the studio, and none of them are hey, 243 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: make a good movie. So I think my best. I 244 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: think my best opportunity to make a good movie is 245 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: Option one. I'm not going to get into the casting. 246 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: I'll let the the casting director and the suits handle 247 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: that I want to make. I want to have a 248 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: great story, i want to have it executed well. And 249 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: I'm want to put every single dollar that I can 250 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: on the screen. So forget the talent, forget the I'm 251 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: gonna write or direct this and I'll listen, I know, 252 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: and in fact, i'll I will delay my fee until 253 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: this movie makes money. So this movie doesn't I put 254 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm putting my reputation on the line. If the movie 255 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: doesn't make money, I don't make money, I'll just take 256 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: my day rate. I'm gonna reject the PTA option. I'm 257 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: gonna reject the standalone. This is not you know, what 258 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: is this two thousand and eight. This is not the 259 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, Batman begins world anymore. This doesn't exist the 260 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: youth mail audience, you know, wrong, wrong superhero team, Like, 261 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: we can try that with a different superhero team. And 262 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna work with this one overseas markets. You know, 263 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: good luck. I guess this is an avatar. I'm gonna 264 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: go with option one. Let's put all the money back 265 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: into the thing. No money for me. I will survive 266 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: on coupon's until this movie comes out and hopefully makes 267 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: its money back on vod and rentals. Thank you very. 268 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: Much, Jason. Love the pitch, love it. I love your 269 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: reaction to our notes that the studio loves to hear it. Rosie, 270 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: what about you will have those five options. 271 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: So I'm basically gonna go I'm gonna pitch you, guys. 272 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: There's two options here that you can take for my story. 273 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: So one is also option one because I agree too 274 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: many options and really the best option for making a 275 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: good movie. I'm making sure that d gets paid well. 276 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: Other than that, guess what, guys, I love TV actors, 277 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: so I don't care like have Jody Taylor Smith as 278 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: Storm and then have all the CW actors you need 279 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: coming because guess what, if it's a good movie, good script, 280 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: we could make more money than expected. We've seen it 281 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: happen before. We've seen movies like The Invisible Man, The Monkey. 282 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: We've seen these crazy movies that are seen as genre 283 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: questions overplay. One of the best movies of all time 284 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: is also one of the cheapest subero movies. Which is 285 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: Birds of Prey. So I think number one is a 286 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: good option. Now, I will say, look, man, I often 287 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: think this overseas market conversation ignores the actual conservative nature 288 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 3: of America and how often those conservative choices that are 289 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: being made are claimed to be for outside of America, 290 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: but really are also for inside America. So if I 291 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: was making a supero movie, an X Men movie that 292 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: was gonna play in China, that would be a different 293 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: pitch because I would use different talent. I would have 294 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 3: Michelle Yo come in and start working as a new 295 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: head mistress. I would make sure that your mutants are 296 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: played by incredible actors from all over I think that 297 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: is a different movie, but I think I could make 298 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: it that would play in China. Would America like it? 299 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: Who knows. We've seen with Nija that doesn't always cross over. 300 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: But I too would most likely go for the art 301 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: over everything route, though I'm not a verse to trying 302 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: to make a movie that plays well outside of America. 303 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: I believe the X Men is a good space. It 304 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: was always meant to be a global team from giant size, 305 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 3: so I think there is a version of it that works. 306 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: Rosie again, I'm blown away by all these pitches. These 307 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: are so so good, and the studio is so excited 308 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: that both of you came in today. We're going to 309 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: reconvene just the studio heads really quickly and just talk 310 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: through some of these pitches and our agents will get 311 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: back to you as soon as we can. Thank you 312 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: so much. Guys. All right, I'm going to bring in 313 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: Joel aboo Ian and Carmen and we're gonna just quickly 314 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: discuss these two different pitches for how these two creatives 315 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: would like to bring the X Men into the MCU. So, 316 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: first off, Joel, what are you thinking? 317 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 7: Well as overseer for awards and Oscar recognition. I love 318 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 7: the idea of Jason wanninglean to the writer director. We've 319 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 7: seen that work before. Y'all remember Logan? That was really powerful? 320 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: I am concerned, sorry, Logan Is that the one that 321 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: started the character from Deadpool and Wolverine? 322 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 7: Yes? Yes, but it was pretty and older audiences don't 323 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 7: remember it. It's faded into non existence. But but it 324 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 7: was powerful for its time, and I would like to 325 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: circle back to that if we can. I think that's 326 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 7: a great idea. I am concerned at the dismissal of 327 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 7: the China box office, which by god do we need 328 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 7: and our young guys. But now listen, here's where we 329 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 7: really get into some trouble knowing X men as I do. 330 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: This is my job, after all. 331 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 7: I am concerned the fact that this is a group 332 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 7: that is about that just diversity often represents queer stories. 333 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 7: If we get a writer director in here who really 334 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 7: wants to push that angle, I mean, he might be right. 335 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 7: China might just be out. They might just be like 336 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 7: not wanting to screen this film. So I think we're 337 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 7: sort of I'm sort of I'm hesitant to lean into 338 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 7: the Jason model because box office, we have to make money. 339 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 7: I'm not going to launch an entire Awards campaign behind 340 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 7: a flop. I don't have the energy for Rosie. Oh man, 341 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 7: do I love d really love de Reese has had 342 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 7: Oscar buzz before both The mud Bound and Pariah, so 343 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 7: there's like already some good build there. I think we 344 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 7: could really build off of that. I also think the 345 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 7: integration into the current universe works really well, so we're 346 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 7: not losing fans as we approach this Oscar space. So 347 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 7: I think I'm leaning a little more Rosie right now. 348 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: But a boo great. 349 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: A boo. Yeah, from someone who knows a ton about 350 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: X Men to someone who knows nothing about X Men 351 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: but knows all about the dollars and cents? A boo. 352 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: What are you thinking right now? 353 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 4: Yeaheah, yeah, let me just finish up this spreadshirts crunching, Yeah, yeah, 354 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: go ahead. 355 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: Great. 356 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 4: It's looking like we're gonna lose money on these pitches. 357 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: I've crunched the numbers. I've been crunching the numbers this 358 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: whole time, and also frantically googling the words storm, Magic, Forged, Nightcrawler, 359 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: and Mystique to try and figure out what they mean. 360 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: Haven't been able to complete that part of the process yet, 361 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 4: but the numbers are not looking good. I appreciate, actually, 362 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: that both of our extremely talented artists have pitched making 363 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: a good movie. First, I'm very much for good movies. 364 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: Good movies make money as far as I know, and 365 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: so I'm very much in favor of that. I'm a 366 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: little concerned that neither of the pitches seem to have 367 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: sold the average moviegoer, the average MCU fan of which 368 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: I consider myself. There were a lot of terms thrown 369 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: around in these pitches that went completely over my head. 370 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 4: I'm still a little unclear how these movies connect to 371 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 4: the MCU. Is RDJ in them or is he not 372 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: in them? Because that is going to factor into the budget, right, 373 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: He's got a huge at this point. I have to 374 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: constantly negotiate with that guy's manager, I thought him, I know, 375 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: I'm over here, like I have a whole spreadsheet dedicated 376 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 4: to negotiating with that asshole. So it's like, I AFC 377 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: in the movie or not. I'm a little confused on 378 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 4: that front. So I was hoping for pitches that made 379 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: a clearer connection to the MCU that I know and 380 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: understand and have been, you know, very much a fan 381 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 4: of since Endgame, my favorite movie of all time, Sweet 382 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 4: Sweet Money. I'm a little worried about that. I think 383 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: I would I would go back to our artists and 384 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: ask them to sell me on how I'm going to 385 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 4: sell this movie. I really like Jason's log line they 386 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: came from a doomed world to stop ours from becoming one. 387 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: I think that's very relevant to where we are today 388 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: as a world and to a feeling that a lot 389 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 4: of people are feeling. That's a log line I can sell. 390 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 4: I can slap that on YouTube and TikTok ads and 391 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 4: hopefully convince people to watch. I'm not so sure what 392 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: a morlock is, and I don't know whether or not 393 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: I can slap that onto ad and sell this movie. 394 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 4: So at this point, I'm currently leaning more towards Jason's pitch, 395 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: just because I recognized more of the words. 396 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: In that pitch. 397 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: Now, from someone who loved Endgame to someone else who 398 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: loved Endgame, Ian, our chief nostalgia officer, what are you 399 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: thinking about these pitches and how they relate to the 400 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: current MCU and what you love about it. 401 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 6: So, first of all, I'm just gonna say great pitches 402 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 6: from both. I think some really interesting choices were made 403 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 6: in both. So I'll start with Rosie's first. I think, 404 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 6: you know, let's be real here, guys. We need a hit. 405 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 6: We need to get some good will back with the fans. 406 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 6: We've been in a little bit of a slump, and 407 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 6: you know, Fantastic Four didn't perform the way we're expecting 408 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 6: coming out of Doomsday and Secret Wars. We're expecting a 409 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 6: little bit of a reset. We need a fresh crop 410 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 6: and cast of characters to take us into the next 411 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 6: generation of the MCU and so I think rosy story 412 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 6: for what we're trying to do. If this is going 413 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 6: to be the first official X Men movie, I think 414 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 6: it's a little bit too small of a story. It's 415 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 6: focused on a very specific storyline. Like don't get me wrong, 416 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 6: the storyline with the Morlocks and Storm is a beautiful story, 417 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 6: and I think that would be better serve for maybe 418 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 6: a standalone Storm movie that we can do down the line. 419 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 6: But as our first official foray with the X Men 420 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 6: into this universe, I think it's just not gonna hit 421 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 6: that core fan base the way we need it to. 422 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 6: People want to see Cyclops, people want to see Professor X. 423 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 6: We need a new Wolverine. 424 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: Who would you cost this wolverine ian? 425 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 6: You know, we gotta find some unknowns. We need some 426 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 6: new young talent. So I need to sit on that 427 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 6: for a little bit. But we need some people that 428 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 6: we haven't seen in these in these kinds of Daniel. 429 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 7: Radcliffe is available and overdue for an Oscar. I'm just saying, sure, 430 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 7: our short Harry King could absolutely do this. 431 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: Yes, I could have a pitch from someone named mister 432 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: Beast to be Wolverine. I'm not sure where we stand 433 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: as studio heads on that. 434 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 6: We'll discus now. As as for Jason's pitch, I like, 435 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 6: I like the premise. I like the story taking place 436 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 6: in the aftermath of Secret Wars. We have some X 437 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 6: Men maybe left over from Battle World, from the fallout 438 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 6: of that film, and I think this is the opportunity 439 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 6: to introduce that new fresh cast. So I think, you know, 440 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 6: in Secret Wars, maybe we have some new fresh X 441 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 6: Men and they're the ones that are left over in 442 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 6: this new world and setting up a conflict with our 443 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 6: Avengers in this post reset, putting them on a collision course, 444 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 6: Avengers versus X Men. That's really what the fans want, 445 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 6: and I think that's a smart path to chart down 446 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 6: for the future of the MCU. I think that will 447 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 6: put butts in seats aboo, that will that'll get us 448 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 6: to that Billy that we're looking for. I agree, So 449 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 6: I agree. You know, I think I'm leaning more towards 450 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 6: Jason's option. And you know what, in terms of budget 451 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 6: and doing it on a smaller scale, these films are 452 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 6: gonna be cgi heavy. That's going to soak up a 453 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 6: lot of money. But you know, Sinners they did that 454 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 6: for ninety mil I'm sure maybe there's a way we 455 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 6: can do this story for in a stripped down sense. 456 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 6: You know, seventy five mil is gonna be tight. But 457 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 6: I also trust my creatives to get it done. So 458 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 6: I think, you know, if the story is strong, the 459 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 6: plot is there, we're giving the fans what they want, 460 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 6: we can make it happen. 461 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Center's an incredible movie. Also had zero optic blasts 462 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: or teleportation. 463 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 464 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to just get creative there. 465 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 6: We're gonna have to do a little. 466 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: Speaking of how the movie looks. Our last studio head here, 467 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: Carmel Lauran, what do you think? What are these pitches 468 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: hitting for you? And what are they not hitting for you? Yeah? 469 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 5: You know, right away, I have to say I'm concerned 470 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 5: with Underground, Underground. I immediately think, where is the lighting? 471 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 5: What is the lighting situation? Like, you know, that seems 472 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 5: seems a bit dark, and I think I think consumers 473 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: we want to get butts in the seats. We got 474 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: to make something that's colorful. We got to make something 475 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 5: that is really eye catching. Right away, Space uh inserted 476 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 5: X Men Insurgency sounds like it's in space. I think 477 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 5: Space is pretty marketable. It looks good, it's bright, it's colorful, 478 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 5: it inspires hope in people, whereas underground, you know, it's dark, 479 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 5: it's dingy, it's you know. Uh, it's kind of not 480 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 5: to bash Christopher Nolan, but yeah, I think we are. 481 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 5: I do agree with Jason what we are kind of 482 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 5: out of the Christopher Nolan era of dark fight scenes 483 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 5: and no lighting and stuff like that. So it's my 484 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 5: top concern. 485 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 7: Also notoriously also very dark, as. 486 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: You got me there. Actually, unless we're right next to 487 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: the sun, you know, could be a son, you know. 488 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 5: But I think of white, like bright white spaceships and 489 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: things like that when I think of space. I also 490 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 5: think Addison Ray could go somewhere in that movie, you know. 491 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 5: And we really we really need the the young gen 492 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 5: Z TikTok by in. 493 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: We do need a little bit of. 494 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: The gay dollars, you know, and so we gotta we 495 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 5: gotta kind of pander a little bit there. So yeah, 496 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: I think I'm feeling a little bit more hopeful in 497 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: uh x Men Insurgency. 498 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: All right, So I've heard all of all of your comments, 499 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: and this is what I'm thinking. We go back to 500 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: our creatives with I would like to make Rosie's movie 501 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: as a Disney Plus show to introduce the X Men. 502 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: We focus on the more locks and we're gonna we're 503 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna allow it to be a little gritty. 504 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: I can only pay for six episodes, by the. 505 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: Way, all right, six episodes. We can do that. Do 506 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: we have the market? Can market at isotic? Or can 507 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: does it have to be binge dropped so. 508 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 7: We're not marketing it? Let's be real, yes, all right, 509 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 7: we'll put a trailer out the week before it drops. 510 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 6: It'll be fine, Marvel Spotlight. 511 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 7: Will still be really loved. Like, it'll be fine. The 512 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 7: people who like it will find it. 513 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: And I have to say one of my favorite parts 514 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: of Jason's pitch. I loved both of these pitches, absolutely incredible. 515 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I loved all of them, but my favorite part of 516 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: Jason's pitch was when he offered to do it himself 517 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: and not get paid and I for no, for no 518 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: other reason, I think we got to make Jason's movie 519 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: here basically no risk. Would really love Maybe if we 520 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: can get a little lean towards China and I, like 521 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: you were saying, Karmen, a little gen Z influence in 522 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: these Maybe maybe Addison Ray is dazz. 523 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: The casting up to us too, So that's a yeah, 524 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: that's a good woint. 525 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: Casting is up to us. 526 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, can I can I maybe say something controversial? 527 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 6: Of course? 528 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 4: Could we go back to Jason and see if he 529 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: could like turn this into like an and or thing 530 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 4: like insurgency right like. 531 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: And seeing it that was a big win for us. 532 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: Maybe we can go back and ask a the workshop 533 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 4: that needs more of a or and or type thing. 534 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 7: Or season wise, it was really good for us. I 535 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 7: mean noms were great, I which we had won a 536 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 7: little bit more, but I could I could see us 537 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 7: doing that in a an X men is kind of 538 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 7: the perfect property for it. 539 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Aboo, I really see this all right? Actually I can 540 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: get with this. So let's bring bring our two creatives 541 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: back in Rosie and Jason. Rosie and Jason, we loved 542 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: your pitches. What we as a studio have decided? What 543 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: do you think about making and Or? 544 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: Wow? I love it when the studio comes back with 545 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: a unique, original suggestion and note I personally I love 546 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: this idea. I think and Or is a great TV show. 547 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: And I think the most important thing that we learned 548 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: from and Or is that corporations are bad and capitalism 549 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: is bad. And that is why in my bag, I 550 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: actually have a gasoline tank and I'm gonna just bum 551 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: down the studio. Okay, absolutely not, that's Tony Gilroy show. Guys, 552 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: Come on, I can't do it. 553 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 7: Like Jason, Are you going to be the next Tony Gilroy? 554 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: I would want just to be just to be clear, 555 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: what is the what's the ask? You're asking for? Eight episodes, 556 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: two seasons a piece. What are you asking for? And this, 557 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: of course I understand when I'm asking that that you know, 558 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: with respect, I'm I'm talking to the brain trust that 559 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: has presided over the successes of Fantastic four uh and 560 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: and has gone through the s that we just went through, 561 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: and went through that process with those filmmakers and creators 562 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: to create those incredible, blockbusting, influential and you know, massively 563 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: relevant mainstream hints. So I understand that I'm that I'm 564 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: asking the best when I ask that, and you really are. 565 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: What is what is the ask? 566 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 7: We believe in Jason so much, so much. 567 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we believe you can get us. 568 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 7: An and or quality political takedown in an X Men 569 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 7: series without the pandemic to pad out creative time. We're 570 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 7: gonna need it by the end of the year, you know, 571 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 7: into twenty twenty six. I need two seasons fully wrapped. 572 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: But we believe it. 573 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 7: You're great, Okay, totally have this bag. 574 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: What's the before I get dragged out by security? What 575 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: is the budget on Jason's and or Insurgency gonna Because 576 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, and I had a seven hundred 577 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: and fifty million dollar budget and was the most expensive 578 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 3: Star Wars show of all time. 579 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: So oh yeah much project much less? Okay, good, much less? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we. 580 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 5: Lore gonna be seventy five thousand, yeah million, seventy an episode. 581 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: Jason, we got cardcar. I think we can do it. Also, 582 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: I would just say we have actually long time been 583 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: pitching a exaber Is anthology show that could lead into 584 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: the introduction of the X Man. So perhaps there's some 585 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: kind of collaborative aspect to but I think for seventy 586 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: five thousand dollars an episode, it's gonna be like a 587 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: stage play about. 588 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate listen not to again. I understand that 589 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: you know your your track record of success, particularly in 590 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: recent years, cannot be denied. Why think small time? You know, 591 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 2: I look at you. You're thinking big time. You think 592 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: a small time success. You think in China. You're thinking 593 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: get the get the right wingers to like your movie. 594 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: You think it big, you're thinking four quadrants. Okay, that's 595 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: only possible on the big screen, not the small screen. 596 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: And there's nothing against the small screen, but it is 597 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 2: smaller than the big screen. Okay, so let's think bigger. 598 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: And I know that you all are about. 599 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: I know she's controversial, but you know what I didn't 600 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: hate the Sydney Sweeney Emma Frost. I is so if 601 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: you want to bring that ready my show. 602 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 6: Now, that's putting butts in seats. 603 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: You've got and also guess what it's putting young male 604 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 4: buds and seats. 605 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: Also Emma Frost famously known for having a boob window, 606 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 3: Sidney Sweetey famously known only woman who has boobs. 607 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: So we're design about to go absolutely crazyst Well, thank 608 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: you both very much. 609 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Loved hearing these pitches, the different ways you would take 610 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the story both in and out of the universes. I 611 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: love the idea of like the mutants coming through an insurgency, 612 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: and then also there are already mutants here in the MCU, 613 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: which really hits on Ian's focus of MCU focused and 614 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: like connecting to what we've already built in this universe, 615 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: Rosie with a nice rising star and Jody Turner Smith 616 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: and like a really focused story still continuing to rise forever. Well, 617 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: thanks again. Our studio heads are going to head back 618 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: into our private jets and we all have to attend 619 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: an award show somewhere for a movie we probably didn't make, 620 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: but we'll be on the red carpet. We thank you 621 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: both so much for being here and we can't wait 622 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: to hear more from your agents in the coming weeks. 623 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, and we're back. 624 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: Wow. That what an experience, Prosie, I understand now, you know, 625 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: first of all, I again, what a humbling experience to 626 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: be in that room with folks who have been making 627 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: the big box office that we know. You know, I 628 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: was really struck by a booze common touch of you know, 629 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: it's such an interesting angle to come in knowing nothing and. 630 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 3: It really really giving you a unique. 631 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well let's talk, I mean, let's talk about it. 632 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: I know this was kind of a jokey, very fun, 633 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: but you know, we are two passionate lovers of the 634 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: X Men. And in a no bullshit way. We both 635 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: really believe in the in the approaches that we've laid out. Yeah, 636 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: and so let's talk about it. 637 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: I think that what was really great about that is, yeah, 638 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 3: it is funny and it is silly, but when you 639 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 3: are pitching on IP, you really are coming again up 640 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: against often people who don't necessarily love it as much 641 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: as you. So I think that was kind of a funny, 642 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 3: a funny space to approach it from that was relatively realistic. 643 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, I do think I think that we're in 644 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 3: a space where I love insurgency. I think that's such 645 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 3: a great idea for that big post doomsday movie, and 646 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 3: I think we need a big, action packed thing. But 647 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: the thing that MCU has been struggling with is character 648 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: as well. And I think that's why for me like 649 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 3: the ability to do a cheaper movie or a TV 650 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 3: show or something, even though the shows have not been 651 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 3: cheap enough, there is some freedom in doing something lower budget. 652 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 3: I mean, even Logan was like, you know, I near 653 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 3: to one hundred and twenty million. They kind of never 654 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 3: really revealed the true budget, but even that is incredibly 655 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 3: low and arguably one of the best stories of all time. 656 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 3: So I think the MCU is in a really unique 657 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 3: and tough space where, yeah, it needs to make money, 658 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: it needs to make a billion dollars, but that has 659 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: stopped working for it. So I think we have to 660 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 3: go back to the character, back to the stories. I 661 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: think the x Men needs to be the success that 662 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: the Fantastic Four wasn't. The x Men needs to be 663 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: something that feels like it can lead us to a 664 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 3: new era of the MCU that's probably not even called 665 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 3: the MCU. 666 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I think I think there 667 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: are two things about an x Men movie potential x 668 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: Men movie. One it is it is truly I think 669 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: even beyond the upcoming Avengers crossovers, Doomsday and Secret Wars, 670 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: it is a real opportunity to reach that Billy mark again. 671 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: And because you're activating a fan base that has been waiting. 672 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 3: And it's like an AE fan base, it's an intergenerational 673 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 3: fan base. 674 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 2: You're waiting to activate this fan base once again, and 675 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 2: they are eager for their heroes to reappear back on 676 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: the screen and be integrated into this kind of massive, sprawling, 677 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 2: truly success ridden and industry changing, integrated universe. What difficulties 678 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: does it face. I think it faces one crucial thing, 679 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: and that is that the X Men are a parable 680 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 2: of freedom against oppression, freedom of religion, freedom of diversity 681 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: in race, freedom and expression. 682 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: It's about and equality. 683 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: It's about equity, and it's about power and I and 684 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: the only thing that can really stymy this movie when 685 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: it comes is some situation like the process which we 686 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 2: just went through in this episode, which seeks to kind 687 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 2: of sand down the sharp edges and the cool parts, 688 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: the cutting edge parts of this metaphor, which you know, 689 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 2: as a fan of the X Men, I think is 690 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 2: more relevant today than at any point in the history 691 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: of the X Men. One might argue, right, And so 692 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna take a really really talented filmmaker, 693 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: and not talented in the way not talented in writing 694 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 2: or directing or camera moves, but talented interpolitically in a 695 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 2: way that allows this person to understand how to talk 696 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: to studio. It's how to talk to Kevin Fie, how 697 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: to talk to marketers, and how to keep that central 698 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 2: vision alive while couching it in the language that doesn't 699 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 2: scare off the four quadret marketing people who are like, 700 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: oh god, white guys are going to hate this fucking movie, 701 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 2: and so you've got to be able to deliver something 702 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 2: that's subversive but looks mainstream, and that is I think 703 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: going to be the difficulty in making this movie. 704 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my opinion. 705 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: What do you think. 706 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 3: I think you're completely right. I also think the second 707 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 3: you bring up the biggest issue, especially because right now 708 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 3: certain studios are scared of projects that lean into that. 709 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 3: But that is the core of The X Men. And 710 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 3: I also just want to point out because I know 711 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: some people will likely be like, well, was it more real? Well, 712 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: the truth is that The X Men was reactive to 713 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 3: the civil rights movement, but was not necessarily inspired by 714 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 3: it as much as people may think it was. Stanley 715 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 3: kind of took that take on afterwards, after readers had 716 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 3: seen reflections that they felt with Malcolm Max and Magneto 717 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 3: and Charles Xavier and Martin Luther King, those were not 718 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 3: inherently in the text. It is now that we can 719 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 3: see the stuff that then after that, especially in Giant 720 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 3: Size X Men and onwards with Claremont's stuff, that became 721 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 3: the real text text of the book. And I think 722 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 3: that is why now we need an X memo movie. 723 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 3: More than ever. Like you said, Jason, I think the 724 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: secondary problem is that the MCU is not in a 725 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,479 Speaker 3: place where it feels like they are excited to make 726 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 3: brave moves or support shows or TV or movies that 727 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 3: for some reason, at some point they have lost belief in. 728 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 3: I think that was something that, as funny as our 729 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 3: producers always are, was actually like a real struggle. Right 730 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: now is like the MCU is not the Jugger, not 731 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 3: what it was. It is not seen as the trailblazer 732 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 3: right now. And also the MCU part of its problem 733 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 3: is it took a little bit too long to do 734 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 3: stuff like Black Panther, like you know, Miss Marvel Captain 735 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 3: Marvel being the first female character, but it was tenth 736 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 3: lead character, but it was ten years after the MCU debuted. Luckily, 737 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 3: because of the Black Panther delay, we did get Ryan 738 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 3: Coogler's superior and singular vision. But I think that throughout 739 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 3: the history of the MCU it's not been particularly progressive. 740 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 3: If you look at it, there's plenty of brilliant artists 741 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 3: and writers and people who have talked about that. I 742 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 3: think this needs to be a radical, transgressive, subversive movie. 743 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 3: I would love to see someone come in, Jason, who, 744 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 3: like you said, knows how to say to execs, Hey, 745 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: this is important, but doesn't it's a hit, but it's 746 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 3: also a hit, a hit, you know. Yeah, Barbie was 747 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 3: never meant to be a four quadrant movie, and it 748 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 3: became a four quadrant movie. Maybe we need to bring 749 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 3: Greta Gerwig in. I don't know, but like, let's bring 750 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 3: I don't hate it because she did what I thought 751 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 3: was impossible and made that into a four quadrant movie. 752 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 3: But the real question is, guys, is it gonna yet made? 753 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 3: It will get made? Is it gonna be good? We're 754 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 3: still waiting. That's what I'm excited to see. I think 755 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 3: we need more casting news. I think we need more understanding, 756 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,959 Speaker 3: you know. I think that them going to the writer 757 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 3: director of The Thunderbolts was smart because it was relatively 758 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 3: successful for them. But I don't necessarily think that is 759 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 3: the person I would have chosen to tell the first 760 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 3: X Men story in the MCU. But I'm interested to 761 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 3: see where it goes, and I think, Jason, You're right. 762 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 3: The biggest obstruction right now is the kind of, you know, 763 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 3: non humorous version of the pitch we just went through, 764 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 3: where people start saying, Oh, but you know, can we 765 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 3: really have a black lead? Is Storm that popular? Or 766 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 3: oh do we really want to make those civil rights 767 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 3: analogies right now? Obviously, very big conversation about how to 768 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,959 Speaker 3: represent Magneto as a historically Jewish character without also trying 769 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 3: to make him a time traveler because he's you know, 770 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 3: there's longing conversations about how that would be reimagined, and 771 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 3: right now, many of those conversations cannot even be had 772 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 3: in a studio. So I think we'll see where it goes. 773 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 3: But you know, I love the X Men, so I'm excited. 774 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,399 Speaker 3: I also believe Jason that that was a pitch that's 775 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 3: good enough. That put that in your back pocket, because 776 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 3: you never know if you're going to get that meeting, 777 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 3: and that was a really good one. Obviously, I'll be 778 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 3: here fighting for the Morlocks forever. 779 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm a humble guy. I actually believe my pitch 780 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 2: is really good. 781 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 3: It's really good. It's really good. 782 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 2: I want to thank our studio heads Saboo, Carmen and 783 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 2: Ian and Joe Well for just guiding us through this 784 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 2: incredible process to make something truly great on the episodes 785 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 2: of Extra Vision. It's another episode of XRGC the group 786 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: Chat where we're discussing the Task finale and Queens of 787 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 2: the Dead, featuring an interview with Tina Romero. That's it 788 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 2: for this episode. Thanks all listing bye. X ray Vision 789 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 2: is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is 790 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 2: a production of iHeart Podcast. 791 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 792 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar. 793 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag. 794 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 795 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman. 796 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 797 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.