1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer, 4 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. WHOA, I am secretly a tree in disguise. 5 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: What a good disguise it is to sway in the breeze. 6 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: And that's mister Noel Brown. Let's give it up for him. 7 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: I'm more of a stump kind of thing. 8 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Oh, don't do it. I can see you as a willow, 9 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: not a weepy one. From time to time. I've been 10 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: known to weep. Is you Ben by the way, Yes, yeah, 11 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: Ben Bullen from earlier today, Folks, we wanted to let 12 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: you know that we love trees and we hope that 13 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: isn't a hot take. Could I tell you, guys a 14 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: quick little anecdote, and this is something that's been on 15 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: my mind. A treetail, a tree tail? Yes, okay, So 16 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: you know, Max, I don't know if you're aware of this. 17 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: You probably are because I'm insufferable, but uh, Noel, you're 18 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: well aware that I have been in a long term 19 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: relationship with a murder of crows. 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were going to say, with a 21 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: field of widows a growth murderer. So here's I mean, 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: I am familiar with this devil's pact you've made with 23 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: these corvids. 24 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh corvid it's nice. We got a whistle 25 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: and everything. So, uh, local scoop here on the ground 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: is that they are these awesome trees, these awesome, magnificent 27 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: trees right in my area, and I befriended crows who 28 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: lived in those trees. However, the people who owned those 29 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: trees recently did some tree cutting work. They didn't cut 30 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: down the whole tree, they didn't stump it, but they 31 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: cut off the branches of these trees for safety and 32 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: power lines and stuff. They look what they've done to 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: our boy. Yeah, they mutilated it. And this scared away 34 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: our local murder of crows. However, as we were coming 35 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: into record today, Noel, the crows have returned and they 36 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: left me a thing shiny. 37 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: Objects perchance it's I mean it's object. 38 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: It's a button they found and they were like humans, right, 39 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: our favorite human from earlier, that guy is human, so 40 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: clearly he likes buttons. 41 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: Also, I mean, it's very clear that he's missing a 42 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: key button on his signature blazer. 43 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm sure, that's their thought process. 44 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: They clocked it. They're thoughtful creatures. 45 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: They're thoughtful and avengeful, and they're the best friends you 46 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: can have or the worst enemy, similar to like the mafia. 47 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: And that's because much like the Mafia, the crows remember. 48 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: The Crows remember. And so why are we telling you 49 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: this anecdote, folks, fellow ridiculous historians. It's because of this. 50 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: This is what occurred to us watching our tree friends 51 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: get dismembered. It wouldn't have happened if that tree owned itself. 52 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I don't understand now, I'm kidding, I'm 53 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: being coy. 54 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: I donder. Actually that's not sure. 55 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: I don't fully understand the logistics of it. We are, 56 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 2: in fact talking about a very particular tree, a legendary 57 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: located in our fair state of Georgia, in nearby Athens, 58 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: Georgia of University and football and of course music fame, 59 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: the University of Georgia Go Dogs is there. It's where 60 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: bands like R. E. M. And the B fifty two's 61 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: and more recently like the Elephant six collective Olivia Trimmer 62 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: control nutrient hotel, our buddy Ben Hackett. He lives there, 63 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: and he's big, he's legendary in his own right, and 64 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: he also owns himself, which makes sense from a human perspective. 65 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: We have agency as humans. Our lives are our own. 66 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: But how does that work for a tree? And is 67 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: a tree a living thing in this context or is 68 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: it like an inanimate object like can a couch own itself? 69 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question, Noel, And I'm going to 70 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: lean on you for part of this because you've spent 71 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: more time in Athens, Georgia than I have. You know, 72 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: you're well acquainted with the music, seeing you move in 73 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: and out. We also want to give a shout out 74 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: to our pal Christopher Hasiotis, who is here in spirit. 75 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: Could I bury the lead and work in reverse and 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: never get to the thing. There's a tree there in 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: Athens that owns itself. 78 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: I'm just making sure. 79 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: I don't know if I dropped that particular breadcrumb yet, 80 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: so I did things a little out of order. But yes, indeed, 81 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: that is the question here. How does this tree actually 82 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: own itself? 83 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Is it just the stuff of legend? 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: If it were to be true, how is it possible 85 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: We're going to get right into this little known legend 86 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: of the tree that owns itself, the story, whether true 87 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: or a tall tale, of the tree that owns itself. 88 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: There in Athens, Georgia. All right, here's this story, and 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: we want to shout out all of our fellow ridiculous 90 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: historians who have ever seen a tree that we really loved. 91 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: If you go to Athens, Georgia, over at the corner 92 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: of South Finley and Deering Street, you will see a 93 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: white oak. Or get this man, the technical name for 94 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: it quirkus alba. 95 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: It's quirky. Athens is quirky. Keep Athens weird, y'all. 96 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: So quirkus alba. This white oak, somehow, apparently, according to 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: the lore, has legal ownership of itself and all of 98 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the land within eight feet of its base. 99 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: Now you know, this makes me think of immediately this 100 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: idea of like wealthy people dating their you know, as 101 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: their estates to their beloved pet or something like that. 102 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Wasn't there a televangelist who deeded stuff to their dog. 103 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: That seems like something one of them might do. The 104 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: original tree in question here is thought to have begun 105 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: its lifespan, which, as we know, for trees can be 106 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: quite long in the mid sixteenth and late eighteenth century, 107 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: so the tree in question, the original tree in question, 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: is thought to have started its tree life, which as 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: we know, can be quite long. And Ben, I'm sure 110 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: that you're on the same page with me about this. 111 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: One thing I think we dig about trees is this 112 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: idea of there being a living history. You know, it's 113 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: this idea of just picturing what it was like all 114 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: around it, you know, lo those many years ago, when 115 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: it was just a little sapling. It was thought to 116 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: have begun its life in the mid sixteenth to late 117 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: eighteenth century, but was felled in nineteen forty two. 118 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. However, as we'll see here a bit of 119 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: a spoiler, folks, a new tree was grown from one 120 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: of its acorns and then planted in the same location. 121 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: This current tree, as well fined, is sometimes referred to 122 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: as the sun of the tree that owns itself, which 123 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: feels like such a ful horror movie. 124 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: Hammer hammer horror horror, exactly like Brida Frankenstei And again, 125 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: so Athens, they're so quirky over there. And like I 126 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: was saying earlier, trees do tend to have quite long 127 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: lifespans along with their descendants, because every one of those 128 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: little acorns that get dropped has the potential to be carried, 129 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, hither and yon and start a whole new tree. 130 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: Every acorn can become a great oak, just like you folks. 131 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: I know, isn't that like one of those like you're 132 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: doing great kind of cat hanging from the off of 133 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: a tree posters you'd see in like choir class when 134 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: you're in. 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: School, or like Andre three thousand said in the recent 136 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction for Outcast, it 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: starts in little rooms. 138 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, we can relate to that. We've 139 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: started in little rooms too. Remember the little room we 140 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: used to podcast in with boarded up windows. 141 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: Where podcasts begun. 142 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Heck, to this day, a lot of podcasts happen in 143 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: the littlest of rooms aka closets. And to give some 144 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: lifespan stats, a lot of these types of trees can 145 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: live up to four hundred and fifty years. So it 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: is a safe bet that the first tree had been 147 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: in that spot for quite a very long time, way 148 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: before there was any need for legal loopholes. 149 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: And Shenanigan ring Oo mentioned that part. Yes, So for 150 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: anybody who is not familiar, Yes, folks. Here in the 151 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: United States and indeed the world overall, it is unusual 152 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: for a tree to quote own itself. Trees are considered 153 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: like pretty much all other plant life, meaning they're not 154 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: typically recognized as legal entities with agency in the United States. Instead, 155 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: they're considered part and parcel of the land itself. So, 156 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: for instance, if like Max Nol and I decide to 157 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: buy a few acres in Tennessee as we build our 158 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: fallout bunker, our purchase is not just going to include 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: the actual surface, but the land beneath it, as well 160 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: as all of the plants and trees growing on it. 161 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: They don't get a say no, it's sort of a 162 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: packaged deal. Can we go in on this parcel of 163 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: land with our buddy, the Tennessee pal Yeah, yeah, of 164 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: course we'll include Dylan. Yes, yes, we must. 165 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: We're going to start our fallout doomsday bunker slash commune, 166 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, for the end times. 167 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have started a year ago. That was 168 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: the best time, but the second best time is today. 169 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: The second best time is always the present. There's no 170 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: second best better time than the present. 171 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: There we go so why is this story different. Well, 172 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: we looked into it, and as far as we can tell, 173 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: the earliest primary source confirmed record of this tale dates 174 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: back to a front page article in the Athens Weekly 175 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Banner August twelfth, eighteen ninety, written by someone will never know, 176 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: an anonymous author. So someone just posted as anon, they're 177 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: in the Weekly Banner. 178 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: Which is just the most wholesome name for a small 179 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: town newspaper. 180 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: If I might say, I would say my favorite, my 181 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: favorite wholesome local newspaper name is picka yune. I don't 182 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: know what's good. 183 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: I also liked the plane dealer is another fun one, 184 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: and I think I like picka yun because it's just 185 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 2: such an unusual specific word. Anyway, So, according to this 186 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: anonymous author, who may have had a horse in the race, 187 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: here the tree what the tree in question was on 188 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: the property of a guy named Colonel William Henry Jackson. 189 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: And William Henry Jackson was a real person, is kind 190 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: of murky and was super duper duper connected. He was 191 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: the son of James Jackson, a Revolutionary War soldier who 192 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: later went on to become a congressman and then a senator. 193 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: And in the you know typical Southern trajectory of politics. 194 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: He then became the governor. Yeah, as you do. And 195 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: so our old Colonel Willie was also the brother of 196 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: another congressman. I need help on this name, Jebez Young Jackson, 197 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: jab e Z. I haven't met a Jebez. 198 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: In real haven'ts And in my mind I want to 199 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: make the jay a soft j and how to be 200 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: a Jabez? 201 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 202 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: It just sounds like fun. It could go either way. 203 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: Jebez is another perfectly good version. And Colonel William Willy 204 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: Willy boy I was also the father of another James Jackson, 205 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 2: who himself would have quite the meteoric rise in politics. 206 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: He became a congressman and eventually the chief Justice of 207 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: George's Supreme Court. 208 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, these things we can prove. However, these things we 209 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: can prove not necessarily the providence of the tree. But 210 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: to understand the story this pitch from the Athens Weekly banner, 211 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: we got to look a little closer into Colonel Willie. 212 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: So Colonel Willie's sounds like a euphemism. 213 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: Right, sounds like something that what Big Jumbo would have said. 214 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Now, who was that? 215 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: Who was who was the big jumbo guy Lyndon Johnson, 216 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: Lyndon B. Johnson President, his old fella as big Jumbo. 217 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's jugo. And would he have been 218 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: it was? It was definitely not Dumbo, You're right, it 219 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: was Jumbo. Would he have if he had not become 220 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: a politician or a president? Would Lyndon Johnson just have 221 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: been some creepy guy in his local town? So I 222 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: had a name for his Australia. Absolutely, absolutely he was. 223 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: He was a character consistent. So all right, here's the thing, folks. 224 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: We know that Colonel Willie was allegedly apparently a professor 225 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: at Uga. He was sometimes referred to as doctor Jackson 226 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: in reporting of the day, but we haven't proved that yet. 227 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: We have reached out to the University of Georgia who 228 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: asked them if they can verify any sort of tenure 229 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: or time spent teaching students. So we'll catch you up 230 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: when when we hear back. You know, it's funny. 231 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: I have been actually going to Athens a great deal 232 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: lately of a good friend of mine in front of 233 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: the show, Eric Kinlaw recently moved there and I. 234 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: Lived there years ago. 235 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: My kid went to school there for some years, and 236 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: I also grew up going to shows there, so it 237 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: is a really near and dear place to me. But 238 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: there's a lot of little legendary things there in Athens 239 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: that are connected to history, that are connected to the university, 240 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,359 Speaker 2: and that are connected. 241 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: To music lore. 242 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: One of which was this really cool little soul food 243 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: restaurant called Weaver Deese, whose motto to this day it's 244 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: on their handwritten little sign is Automatic for the People, 245 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: which is of course the title of one of the 246 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: most popular and famous RAM albums. And I all the 247 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: time I've spent there, I only just when Eric moved there, 248 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: went and ate there, and it was phenomenal. Had a 249 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: Meeting three situation, the dude that runs it like the 250 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: guy in the Kitchen Classic, you know, southern soul food 251 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: Meeting three type joint. 252 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: And then I just found out a week or so 253 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: ago that it closed. 254 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: It is but at least I got to eat there once, 255 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: but legendary and sad that it went away. 256 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of local legends in Athens 257 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: because it is such a phenomenal college town. You know, 258 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: there's the double barreled cannon, the university arch arsh, yeah, 259 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: and the tree that owns itself now is part of 260 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: this Well, another thing we can't prove about our buddy 261 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: Willie Jackson is the nature of his military service, nor 262 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: any publicly available records of how he attained the rank 263 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: of colonel. 264 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Oh, Ben, you know it's another kind of facet of 265 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: Southern gentry. Your calling yourself the colonel. Well, of course, yeah, 266 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: you don't have to actually have obtained a rank of 267 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: colonel militarily speaking to go by the colonel, wouldn't you agree? 268 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they used to call me. They used to call 269 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: me colonel Angus. Don't we call your pops the colonel 270 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: sometimes he is? 271 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: Actually yeah, okay, he did attain the rank, so he 272 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: came by it honestly. But it's true we do think 273 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: of colonel as being somewhat of a Southern gentlemanly nicknames 274 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: And that's. 275 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Isn't that weird how that happens in specifically the Southeastern 276 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: United States, not just with military rank, but with religious rank, 277 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Like there will be people who call themselves Bishop so 278 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: and so, but you're not Catholic. I don't know. Yeah. 279 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: It's also like the murkiness of the term cousin when 280 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: it gets thrown around a lot as well, but that's 281 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: not just the same thing. 282 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: So what we do know is that our boy will 283 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: will H. 284 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: Jackson aka Colonel Willie, who definitely had big Willie style, 285 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: which I only just recently realized is somewhat of a euphemism. 286 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: In its own right. 287 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: Even though will Smith didn't need a cuss in his 288 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: radit cell records, he did love a good innuendo. 289 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: Yeah it's okay, man. It took me forever to figure 290 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: out the main ingredient in soy sauce is indeed soy. 291 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, and you know, will goody sauce, most 292 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: of it's weak. 293 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: Now that's true. You know what I love is a 294 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: good mushroom soy sauce. I have one that I've been using. 295 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: And will Smith might might argue that he had had 296 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: no ill intent with that title, and then it was 297 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: entirely clean. 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: He had a will intent. I think you did so. 299 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: William H. 300 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: Jackson did own the property on the opposite side of 301 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: Deering Street that was adjacent to that tree. The plot 302 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: included the address two twenty six Deering Street as it 303 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: stands today, and in the early nineteenth century, it was 304 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: at that point just a lot with the designation of 305 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 2: number fourteen. The tree is located on a portion of 306 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: what had been lot number fifteen. 307 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so there was proximity, right, And Colonel Willie 308 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: is living in his area with his wife Mildred, and 309 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: eventually along with a character named Ja Cobb. Don't memorize 310 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: the name because he never shows up again. Along with 311 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: this guy, they sold their property collectively. There's a lot 312 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: to a dude named doctor Malthus Ward, doctor Malthus. He 313 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: sounds like a necromancer. 314 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: He does a little Malthusian perhaps, Yeah yeah, yeah, that 315 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: was in. 316 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: Eighteen thirty two, yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is the 317 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: same year that is cited on a local plaque as 318 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: being the date the tree got deeded to itself. If 319 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: you go to the Clark County real estate records, you'll 320 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: see there is no indication of when or from whom 321 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: Colonel Willie originally purchased the property. Of course, this helps 322 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: inform the legend. 323 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: Right. 324 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: So, according to the story, our buddy will really loved 325 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: this frickin' tree. If you can, we do, let's give 326 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: it to you, you know, can you give us a 327 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: real like Colonel Angus seen shoeing voice get get your 328 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: Juli stars, get your jul up together and let's h 329 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: can we share this clip from the Athens Weekly banner. 330 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: Giving me the vapors there ben talking about Colonel Ankus. 331 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: Colonel Jackson had watched the tree grow from his childhood 332 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: and grew to love it almost as he would a human. 333 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: It's luxuriant foliage and sturdy limbs that often protected him 334 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: from the heavy rains. I'm mixing it up here a bit, 335 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: but I know you're nill out and out of its 336 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: highest branches. He had many a time gotten the eggs. 337 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: Of the feathered songstess. 338 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: He watched it growth, and when on reaching a rap 339 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: old age, he saw the tree standing and it's magnificent propultions. 340 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: And now I'm doing a little bit of a British thing. 341 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna coming back and coming back. He was pined 342 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: to think that after his death it would fall into 343 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 2: the hands of them what might destroy it. 344 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: I added, I liked it, so the God right, so 345 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: testify there So, according to this article, our boy, due 346 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: to his close childhood association with this white oak or 347 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Quercus alba, he he deeds the tree ownership of itself 348 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: and the surrounding land, and he does it in an 349 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: attempt to ensure that no one, including future family members, 350 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: will ever be able to knock it down. 351 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: Well, here's the question, and we might get into this, 352 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: We are going to get into this, the legal loophole 353 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: of it all. But it's like, if you don't leave 354 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: your property to an air, and you don't have an air, 355 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: what happens to it? 356 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: Does it just like. 357 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Go to the county, like if there's no one there 358 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: to keep it up or because obviously this would also 359 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: require some dispensation or footnote for upkeep right, like if 360 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: the tree owns itself, the tree can't trim itself or 361 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: take care of the land around it. But yeah, maybe 362 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: back to my original question, what does happen if, like 363 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: I guess, is it then sold off? It's bitted on? 364 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: Like I guess, I don't know the details of what 365 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: happens when there is no air to pass property onto. 366 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little outside our scope because it varies 367 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: from country to country and indeed from state to state. 368 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: There are actually online just for a tangent here, there 369 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: are websites you can check that will tell you if 370 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: you are the rightful biological inheritor of the things. So 371 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: usually it goes to the closest living relative before the 372 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: state or big government takes possession. That can't happen if 373 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't end up working out like you said, with 374 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: the closest you know, living relatives. And there's a term 375 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: here that is getting used that it's new to me 376 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: in in instasy, intestacy, intestacy. Yes, and the process, the 377 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: legal process you're talking about of transferring it to this. 378 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: Day is called escheatment. We're learning so many new, very 379 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: esoteric legalese words today. 380 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Yes, just like ja copy. They may not come up again. 381 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: But let's see if we can give ourselves bonus points 382 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: for using those terms in cheatment and instensasy, in testasy, intestacy. 383 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: In cheatment, okay, ineste the enn. 384 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: If we can, if we can use those phrases, Max, 385 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: I need you in on this. If we can use 386 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: those phrases again organically like a tree by the end 387 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: of this episode, we give ourselves eight hundred and twenty 388 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: to eight hundred and thirty two bonus points. 389 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if it's possible, Ben, it's so specific, 390 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: but hey, I'm on board. 391 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: Let's see if it can happen. Look forward to it. 392 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm willing to play your redeer reindeer games. 393 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: I love it. And I'm still mad at Matt for 394 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: nagging me on a recent episode of stuff they don't 395 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: want you to know what. I was like, I'll play 396 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: your reindeer games. He's like, no, these are reindeer games too. 397 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, maybe he was just dead serious, you know. 398 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a serious guy, and please do check out 399 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. You'll if you 400 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: dig our show, you'll hopefully love that show. I usually 401 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: say that NOL, but it's weird because we host that 402 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: and create that show as well. 403 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, but I think there's some truth to that. 404 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: If you dig this, you'll probably dig that. And actually, 405 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: the next episode we're about to record for Ridiculous History 406 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: very much would be right at home on stuff they 407 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: don't want you to know. We're talking to a little 408 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of a true crime murder mystery, which 409 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: is a little out out of the scope of what 410 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: we usually do here, So look forward to that. I 411 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: also involve something that's been in the news lately, Tail 412 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: and all, yeah. 413 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the zeitgeist now. If you go to Athens, 414 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: according to the story which and we could confirm this, 415 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: you'll see this idea of deating a tree legal ownership 416 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: of itself took place somewhere between eighteen twenty and eighteen 417 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: thirty two. How do we know that there is a 418 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: commemorative plaque on the tree's retaining wall that claims had 419 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: attained an independence in eighteen thirty two? If I could 420 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: chew a bit of scenery and sip a jewlup on 421 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: this one, we'll give you the text. M Oh, that's mean, Julip. 422 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. It's iced coffee. But there we go. Four 423 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: And in consideration, great little Bell, this tree and the 424 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: great desire have for its protection fall time a colay, 425 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: entire possession all itself and old land within eight feet 426 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: of this tree roll side William heh Jackson h really. 427 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: Odd to the way the lines are broken up in 428 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: this one. 429 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: It's just funny. 430 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: We got four and in consideration and then line two 431 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: of the Great Love I bear line three this tree 432 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: and the Great's almost like it reads like a poem, 433 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: and it is poetry, especially the way you recited it. 434 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: Ben. 435 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: So per that article, the actual deed in question uses 436 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: the following language. 437 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: I W. H. 438 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: Jackson of the County of Clark in the Stathens Clark 439 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: County of the one part, and the oak Tree of 440 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: the County of Clark of the other part. 441 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: Witness, I witness if that's the said W. H. 442 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: Jackson for and in consideration of the great affection which 443 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: she bears said tree, as stated in the Blackard, and 444 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: his great desire to see it protected, has conveyed and 445 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: by these presidents do convey unto the said oak tree 446 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: entire possession of itself and of all land within eight 447 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: feet of it on all sides or. 448 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: Two point four meters. Right. Yeah, this is weird, Okay, 449 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: So this is a thing that confused us. And just 450 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: to be clear if this is an actual deed, what 451 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: he's saying is that when he says Clark County Clerk 452 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: of the one part, he's talking about one party and 453 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: a negotiation, and he is the other part, Colonel Willie. 454 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: So this art, this all comes to us from Athens 455 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: Weekly Banner, and it was again written anonymously decades after 456 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: this purported dedication back in the eighteen in eighteen thirty two. 457 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: I love this idea of the oak tree having residency 458 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: in Clark County. Like I just all of this reads 459 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: like an elaborate prank. 460 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: Also, I love the Southern idea to this field. Okay, 461 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: so we discover all sorts of weird turns of phrases 462 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: that we make up here. Seahorse teeth shut straight, seahorse teeth, 463 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: shut your wet mouth, et cetera. One thing that I 464 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: think would be really great for us to whip out 465 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: if somebody's getting big for their breeches at a party 466 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: is to say, tell me what you think of this 467 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: stole is to say you still have lost possession of yourself? 468 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. 469 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: You know it's funny, man. 470 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: That makes that makes me think I meant to bring 471 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: this up earlier. The idea of owning oneself or a 472 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: self own is typically negative. It sort of means you 473 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: like played yourself or you I use it a lot 474 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: in playing Mario Kart, where if you hit yourself with 475 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: your own green shell that is self. 476 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: Own, or have an own goal when they bounce. Oh 477 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: he bouncing. We're bouncing into a question that we've been 478 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: teasing for a moment. Now, is this story actually true? Yeah? 479 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: And I maybe tipped my hand a little bit where 480 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: I fall on the issue. It does feel it does 481 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: have big prank vibes to it or just kind of. 482 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 483 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: Again, Athens is a kooky place, even as back far 484 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 2: back as this hit this history, So this idea of 485 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: sort of like a quirky bit of a almost like 486 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: a piece of satire. Right, So we do love a story, 487 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: as do the people of Athens. The story of the 488 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: tree that owns Itself is widely known, at least in 489 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: the area, and is almost presented as fact. You know 490 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: about the tree that owns itself? There, it is right there. 491 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: It's like a bit of a tourist attraction. However, only 492 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: one person, the anonymous author of the article in the 493 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: Athens Banner Herald, I believe deeded to itself. He's the 494 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: only one who ever apparently saw the deed to the tree, 495 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: or claimed to claim to have seen that bit of paperwork, 496 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: which is odd. And certainly if it isn't filed with 497 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: the county or in some way you know, acknowledged and 498 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: like the land records, then surely now this is going 499 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: to hold up in court. 500 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: Not to be a party pooper, but we'll get to that. 501 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: So most writers acknowledge the deed has either been lost 502 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: or no longer exists, which I guess is the same 503 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: as being lost. Maybe it was it was burned or something, 504 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: you know, flushed shredded, if it ever did in the 505 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: first place. 506 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the badger the bag, that's the pickle of it. 507 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: Because we're we're not gonna doct anybody, but a good 508 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: friend of ours, good friend of the show, makes a 509 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: living hunting down old deeds and this. 510 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: Lot of history in them, in them. 511 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Papers, a lot of weird names too. 512 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we love it when Frank sends us a screenshot 513 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: of some weird and take. Just no, it didn't docks 514 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: them too hard, unless you worry he's doing anybody. Whatever 515 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: he sends us, he redacts, he. 516 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: Does, he does. 517 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: Information, but sometimes there's some cookie names that he comes across. 518 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: And some of these deeds are so old that they 519 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: haven't even been scanned into digital resources or into digital 520 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: you know, searchable libraries. So a lot of times for 521 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: super old stuff, our buddy will have to go to 522 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, a physical courthouse and like dig through these archives. 523 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: And find, you know, an old scroll of parchment that's 524 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I love always said part. 525 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: Of it I love it and we should keep it, 526 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: and I'm astly going to say it that way from 527 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: this day. Hence, this is where a thing like this 528 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: where it to existed, which should should have been filed right. 529 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: Right right, unless there was a courthouse fire or something. 530 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: But regardless, even if you find the deed, it would 531 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: not have legal grav toss. They wouldn't have legal bearing 532 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: because under common law or what we just say, let's 533 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: just say it as commonly understood law. To be a 534 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: recipient of a piece of property in the United States, 535 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: one must have the legal capacity to receive such property. 536 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: It has to be delivered to and accepted by the recipient. 537 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: This is impossible for a tree to do at present. 538 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I should have talked to that doctor Seusky what's 539 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: his name. He speaks for the trees. He had a axe. 540 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: He could have been their interpreted because he speaks for 541 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: the trees and he could have represented them in the 542 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: court of law. 543 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like doctor Doolittle for plants. Anyway, we do 544 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: know Jackson. Here's where it gets even more murky. So 545 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: we do know that Colonel Willie Jackson did live near 546 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: the White Oak. We can prove that he lived there 547 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: for at least four years when he was a young 548 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: man and he was married, because we know he was 549 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 1: living there with his wife, but he had actually not 550 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: grown up there. He grew up nearby in Jefferson County. 551 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: So it is diplomatically put extremely unlikely that he would 552 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: have any cherished child who are memories of the oak 553 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: because he simply was not there. 554 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would typically be reserved for a stately tree 555 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: that might have grown in the backyard or at the 556 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: very least in a nearby, you know, meadow from a 557 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: young kid, because he is not going to be wandering 558 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: off to other counties as. 559 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: A young lad. So this wouldn't hold up in court. 560 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: But the question then becomes, where is the benefit of 561 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: like really openly challenging a lot of this stuff? Oh yeah, 562 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: it would be kind of a move, a grinch like move, absolutely. 563 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, be so means spirited. Everybody would be confused and 564 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: irritated by you, including the judge. By the way, if 565 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: it went to if it went to that level, if 566 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: you go to Athens Clark County today, you'll see that 567 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: they confirmed the tree is in what they call the 568 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: right of way and is quote accepted for care by 569 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: municipal authorities. So to your earlier questional the tree clean 570 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: sun of Tree, the tree is taken care of by 571 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: the local city and county government. And if you go 572 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: to the adjacent property there you'll see everybody is kind 573 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: of pitched in. They're stewards who help take care of 574 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: the tree that owns itself. I want to give a 575 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: weird specific shout out to something called the Athens Junior 576 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: Ladies Garden Club. They're the primary advocate of the tree. 577 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: That's right. 578 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: They tend to its needs and make sure it's trimmed 579 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: and watered and all that there are lacks. They are indeed, 580 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: they speak for the tree that owns itself. And they also, 581 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: you know, tracked down another small tree that was grown 582 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 2: from an acorn taken from the original tree, and that 583 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: was what led to if I'm not mistaken, then the 584 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: son of tree. 585 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So even before the original tree that owns 586 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: itself passed away, the local government said, you know what, 587 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: is this technically legal? Who cares? We all love trees. 588 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: And this carried on after the death of the original tree, 589 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: which is sometimes called the Jackson Oak. As we sat 590 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: up in the beginning on October ninth, nineteen forty two. 591 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: This tree, which was estimated to be two hundred to 592 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: four hundred years old. We need some dendo chronology to 593 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: verify this, which is the study of tree rings. The 594 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: rumor has it, isn't it a Dell Song study of 595 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: tree rings? Rumor has it? I'm sure it is, and 596 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: her other off her album Dendo Chronology. So yeah, So 597 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: the tree was not hewn down by humans. It fell 598 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: as a result of a windstorm, or it may have 599 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: already died and its roots were routing. And as you said, 600 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: our friends at the Junior Ladies Garden Club, about four 601 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: years later they tracked down a smaller tree, kind of 602 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: a sapling status tree that was grown from an acorn 603 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: taken from the original tree. And then they teamed up 604 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: with a boffin at the College of Agriculture, Yeah, real aghead, 605 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: and a tree aficionado named Roy Bowden, and. 606 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: This little tree, little sap as you said, Ben, was 607 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: transplanted to the location of the original tree that owned itself. 608 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: It's for bear. A couple months later, there was a 609 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: ceremony hell featuring the mayor of Athens at the time, 610 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: Robert L. McWhorter, and to commemorate the occasion. They established 611 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: a new plaque that is there to this day. 612 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: You want to read that one for us man, Absolutely, 613 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the tree that owns itself And this is in the 614 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: same weird formatting that we talked about earlier. The lines 615 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: are odds, right, it must they must be writing it 616 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: in a well, in a way that suits the designer 617 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: of the Yeah, I don't like we have to write 618 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: into the cube versus that's probably true. Yeah, yeah, the 619 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: tree that owns itself Quercus alba, deeded to itself by 620 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: Colonel William H. Jackson circa eighteen thirty two. This sciad 621 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: of the original tree was planted by the Junior Ladies 622 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: Garden Club in nineteen forty six. National Register of Historic 623 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: Places nineteen seventy five, Athens Historical Landmark nineteen eighty eight. 624 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 2: Now we've got landmark status, historical landmark status that people 625 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: are now referring to this, I mean people in the 626 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: know as the sun of the tree that owns itself, 627 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 2: assuming and believing the tale that it is. In fact, 628 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: I think this is the part that likely is true. 629 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,479 Speaker 2: The original trees air. So now you can take a tour. 630 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: There's a couple of fun self guided tours that you 631 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: can take in Athens. The Athens Clark County Welcome Center 632 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: will hook you up with the literature to do that. 633 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: You might also see there's a famous train trestle, The 634 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: Murmur Trestle has something to do with ra Em again. 635 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: And then there's also like an Athens Music Walk of Fame, 636 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 2: much like the Hollywood Walk of Fame, with like plaques 637 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: of different musical luminaries from there. It's really really rich 638 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: in its history and its culture and all that stuff. 639 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: I want to go back. We should call Christopher Osiota, 640 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: so I want to go hang out there. Back out. 641 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: Also catch up with Eric about Force Ghost. Yeah that's 642 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: a band, right, Yeah, that's right. 643 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're actually doing a new music project together 644 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 2: we have started messing with and that's part of the 645 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 2: reason I've been going there a lot. 646 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: So it's been a lot of fun, dope. And we 647 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: also want to note folks that while there is one 648 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: official the sun of the tree that owns itself, a 649 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: lot of people took acorns from the original tree and 650 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: from its air and planted their. 651 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 2: Own such as trees. Right, so cool, super cool. Yeah, 652 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 2: I love the idea. Of like an heirloom thing, right, 653 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 2: that's sort of what that means. I think if you 654 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 2: take seeds from a tomato or a plant and then 655 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 2: you replant them, that becomes. 656 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: Like an heirloom version. 657 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's so neat the way that stuff can 658 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: again be part of history. 659 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: Did you know that for a few decades back, or 660 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: this continues now for quite some time, especially in the 661 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: southern US, there have been people who, of their own 662 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: volition did deep forensic food way research to recover lost 663 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: types of rice for tomatoes. Carol, how does that work? 664 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: It's an episode for a New Day Science and a 665 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: lot of legwork, a lot of detective stuff. We can't 666 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: wait to hear your thoughts about this, folks. We do 667 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: want to shout out little town in Alabama where another 668 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: tree owns itself. And I'm not rolling my eyes too 669 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: hard here. I think it's really cool that the local 670 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: government said technically no, legally nah, but everybody be cool. 671 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 2: This is why we can't have nice things, or if 672 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 2: you live in Athletes, Georgia, why we can have nice 673 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 2: things because people are just cool. 674 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: So here's a question as we end for you, Max 675 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: and all our fellow ridiculous historians. Gentlemen, if you could 676 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: give one non human, non animal thing or object the 677 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: right to own itself, what would it be? Now? It 678 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: could be a plant. It could also be an inanimate 679 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: object that you love. 680 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: You said it in the top bend couch, the couch, 681 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 2: this couch, this couch. 682 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: Here, ye, here, I know Christian Brown hereby here by? Uh? 683 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: What emancipates my couch? 684 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 2: That way they can press charges against jd Vance when 685 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: he gets up to Canery. 686 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, Uh all right, Max? What about you? Oh? 687 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: In my car is Sylvia? There you go? Okay, I 688 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: love a car with the name. Okay, first chair Sylvia. That's, however, 689 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: refer to her. 690 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: As long as it's fully paid off, Max, Okay, until 691 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 2: that point belongs to the bank. 692 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: I ran into Sylvia back. We did our research for 693 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: the waffle House episode, which is on the way right, folks, 694 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna larn a lot about Waffle Alie, and we 695 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: can't wait to be there with you. We also can't 696 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: wait too, as Noel so beautifully teased explore the strange 697 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: story of the Tayland All murders with our research associate 698 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: Dylan in the meantime, big big thanks to you for 699 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: tuning in. Big thanks to our super producer Max Williams 700 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: and all our friends in Athens, Georgia or in Athens, Tennessee, 701 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: or in Athens, Greece, or in Athens, Ohio or in Athens, Ohio. 702 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 2: Which is also a college town. I believe I went 703 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: there once. Yeah, and tease thanks to Christoph Fraciotas. We 704 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 2: would love to come kick it with you there in Athens, 705 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 2: Georgia and East Jeff Coats both here in spirit, Alex 706 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 2: Williams who composed our theme. 707 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Rachel Big Spinach Lance, as well as a J 708 00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: Bahamas Jacobs, and our own guy that owns himself pretty often, 709 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: pretty regularly in a Mario Kart sense, that is Jonathan 710 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: Strickland Ak the Quiztor. We'll see you next time, folks. 711 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 712 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.