WEBVTT - Christopher Rufo - Fighting America's Cultural Revolution 0:00:11.697 --> 0:00:14.977 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.977 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:18.017 --> 0:00:19.937 wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:20.297 --> 0:00:23.097 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. We have 0:00:23.337 --> 0:00:26.497 with us the one and only Chris Rufo for this one. 0:00:26.617 --> 0:00:31.657 He's got a new book out, America's Cultural Revolution, which 0:00:31.697 --> 0:00:34.537 we're going to talk about here today on the program. 0:00:34.577 --> 0:00:37.097 Mister Rufo, always good to see you. Thanks for being here. 0:00:38.177 --> 0:00:39.057 It's great to be with you. 0:00:39.537 --> 0:00:42.297 So talk to me, my friend. The book, what do 0:00:42.337 --> 0:00:44.137 you dive into? What do we need to know? 0:00:45.457 --> 0:00:48.377 So? America's Culture Revolution is the story of the radical 0:00:48.457 --> 0:00:51.937 lefts fifty year long march of the institutions. I look 0:00:51.977 --> 0:00:55.257 at the key thinkers, the key ideologies, the key social movements, 0:00:55.617 --> 0:00:59.257 and trace their slow institutional capture over the course of 0:00:59.257 --> 0:01:02.737 the late twentieth century and then finally exploding into public 0:01:02.817 --> 0:01:06.417 consciousness with the summer of twenty twenty, the Summer of 0:01:06.457 --> 0:01:09.977 George Floyd. And the book seeks to answer a simple question, 0:01:10.577 --> 0:01:14.217 how did our institutions suddenly seem to have been deranged 0:01:14.297 --> 0:01:18.137 by critical race theory and other ideologies so completely and 0:01:18.177 --> 0:01:22.017 so quickly? And I try to give a very comprehensive 0:01:22.017 --> 0:01:23.977 answer to that question in the pages of this book. 0:01:25.857 --> 0:01:28.737 Well, tell me this, where was the right during all 0:01:28.737 --> 0:01:28.937 of this? 0:01:29.057 --> 0:01:29.177 Like? 0:01:29.417 --> 0:01:32.737 How are we so asleep that somehow we managed to 0:01:32.817 --> 0:01:37.257 allow Is it because we believed in the the always 0:01:37.377 --> 0:01:40.097 tough to find but fun to talk about for some people, 0:01:40.257 --> 0:01:43.497 neutral space? Like what happened here? How'd we find ourselves 0:01:43.817 --> 0:01:46.697 handing over the institutions to the commis all over the place? 0:01:47.537 --> 0:01:50.057 Yeah? I didn't really a two part problem, And you 0:01:50.137 --> 0:01:53.737 identify the first part exactly right. The radical left was 0:01:53.777 --> 0:01:57.137 able to hijack and exploit some of the vulnerabilities in 0:01:58.137 --> 0:02:01.337 the small l liberal system, and the right had this 0:02:01.497 --> 0:02:06.297 notion that institutions could be neutral, that all voices could proliferate. 0:02:06.857 --> 0:02:10.377 But we know now in hindsight that institutions can not 0:02:10.457 --> 0:02:13.897 be neutral, and that the radical left has no interest 0:02:13.977 --> 0:02:18.297 in pluralism or tolerance or inclusivity in the real sense 0:02:18.297 --> 0:02:21.017 of the word. They wanted to use the institutions and 0:02:21.457 --> 0:02:24.337 force their ideology on others. But the second element, and 0:02:24.337 --> 0:02:26.377 this is something I think you'll be particularly interested in, 0:02:27.057 --> 0:02:29.497 is that the right essentially fell asleep after the end 0:02:29.537 --> 0:02:32.097 of the Cold War. Many of our leading intellectuals and 0:02:32.097 --> 0:02:35.417 political figures decided that, you know, we had defeated the 0:02:35.417 --> 0:02:38.457 communists and that ideology would never rise again. It had 0:02:38.497 --> 0:02:42.897 been totally invalidated by the process of history. We had 0:02:42.937 --> 0:02:46.857 reached the end of history in a sense. But the 0:02:46.977 --> 0:02:49.817 left wing radicals did not stop at the fall of 0:02:49.817 --> 0:02:52.577 the Soviet Union. It didn't deter them, it didn't force 0:02:52.617 --> 0:02:55.737 them to abandon their ideology. They just changed it and 0:02:55.817 --> 0:02:59.497 adapted it and kept working, and unfortunately the right kind 0:02:59.497 --> 0:03:04.137 of seeded responsibility and really stopped standing guard on the 0:03:04.137 --> 0:03:07.497 institutions until it was too late, until they discovered that 0:03:07.537 --> 0:03:09.977 they had lost control of those institutions altogether. 0:03:11.137 --> 0:03:14.617 Did it really start with the universities in terms of 0:03:14.657 --> 0:03:18.537 the infiltration. Was that the first place that it really 0:03:18.617 --> 0:03:22.777 took hold or was it you know, different components of journalism, 0:03:22.897 --> 0:03:26.417 the think tanks. Where did the radical left in a 0:03:26.497 --> 0:03:30.777 post World War II America establish its first footholds? 0:03:32.257 --> 0:03:35.697 Yeah, you're spot on, And it really did begin in 0:03:35.737 --> 0:03:38.337 the universities in the late nineteen sixties. And they write 0:03:38.337 --> 0:03:40.657 about this explicitly and auto the material that I cover 0:03:40.737 --> 0:03:44.857 in the book. You know, they said that the proletariat 0:03:45.017 --> 0:03:47.897 working class revolution was not going to happen. It was 0:03:47.937 --> 0:03:51.617 impossible in the West, and particularly impossible in the United States, 0:03:51.617 --> 0:03:54.897 where most working people were actually quite happy with their 0:03:54.897 --> 0:03:57.297 standard of living and the country that they were living in. 0:03:58.017 --> 0:04:00.017 So they said, the one place where we think that 0:04:00.057 --> 0:04:02.377 we have the base of power, what they called the 0:04:02.537 --> 0:04:07.457 initial revolutionary institution, was the university campus, and so they 0:04:07.497 --> 0:04:11.097 decided to start there and then slowly worked their way 0:04:11.097 --> 0:04:15.977 out into media, K through twelve schools, government bureaucracies HR program, 0:04:15.977 --> 0:04:19.537 and then you know so called racial sensitivity training, which 0:04:19.577 --> 0:04:24.857 became DEI training. And this was really a remarkably effective strategy. 0:04:24.897 --> 0:04:28.457 They started very small, with a very small group of people, 0:04:28.857 --> 0:04:31.457 but they were able to spread their influence throughout the 0:04:31.497 --> 0:04:36.737 institutions in a really sophisticated way that was largely undetected 0:04:36.737 --> 0:04:38.857 by the right for far too long. 0:04:40.417 --> 0:04:43.337 Now, when you talk about cultural revolution, obviously people think 0:04:43.377 --> 0:04:47.777 of the Maoist cultural revolution in China. Do you see 0:04:47.817 --> 0:04:53.657 some connective ideological tissue between the two in a way 0:04:53.697 --> 0:04:58.017 that manifested itself in you know, the actual processes of 0:04:58.097 --> 0:05:01.217 taking over I mean, you know, what kind of comparisons 0:05:01.457 --> 0:05:04.537 The title obviously evokes the comparison, So what kind of 0:05:04.537 --> 0:05:06.577 comparisons do you actually make in the book? 0:05:07.817 --> 0:05:10.417 Yeah, I mean, you know, I make my own compari prisons, 0:05:10.457 --> 0:05:12.537 of course, but really you don't even have to have 0:05:12.617 --> 0:05:16.257 to trust my judgment. The leading left wing intellectuals of 0:05:16.297 --> 0:05:21.697 the time made the comparison explicitly. They elaborated a theory 0:05:21.737 --> 0:05:24.417 of cultural revolution, and they said, we have to learn 0:05:24.457 --> 0:05:27.417 from what's happening in China, what's happening in the African 0:05:28.257 --> 0:05:31.497 colonial liberation movement, what's happening in all of these other places. 0:05:31.857 --> 0:05:34.057 We have to have a cultural revolution of the same 0:05:34.177 --> 0:05:38.377 kind in the West. And then also the key concept, 0:05:38.617 --> 0:05:41.977 really the heart of the story of the book is 0:05:42.017 --> 0:05:45.297 their so called long March through the institutions. And this 0:05:45.337 --> 0:05:47.617 is what they called it way back in the early 0:05:47.657 --> 0:05:52.177 nineteen seventies, and it was a direct illusion to then. 0:05:52.497 --> 0:05:54.377 It wasn't a chairman then, but he was a general 0:05:55.177 --> 0:05:58.417 in the Chinese Communist Army, and they had this long 0:05:58.457 --> 0:06:02.217 march through China, actually a long strategic retreat, and then 0:06:02.217 --> 0:06:05.217 they were able to establish dominance once they had become 0:06:05.657 --> 0:06:10.417 secure and start the communist revolution, the rule of imunist 0:06:10.417 --> 0:06:15.457 revolution in China. And so they adapted not only the language, 0:06:15.697 --> 0:06:19.217 not only the philosophy, not only the basic Marxist Leninist 0:06:19.297 --> 0:06:23.457 revolutionary theory, but they but they really adapted a lot 0:06:23.457 --> 0:06:28.297 of the strategies and tactics, sometimes explicitly, sometimes implicitly. But 0:06:28.377 --> 0:06:30.337 if you look at the ferment that was happening around 0:06:30.377 --> 0:06:32.937 the world, it was also happening in our country. 0:06:34.137 --> 0:06:36.577 Speaking to Chris Rufo here, Chris, hold the book up again, 0:06:36.617 --> 0:06:38.377 so I can tell everybody, if you, for those who 0:06:38.417 --> 0:06:44.777 are watching America's cultural revolution, how the radical left conquered everything. 0:06:45.057 --> 0:06:47.737 And if you're not watching because you're not subscribed to 0:06:47.737 --> 0:06:49.977 the YouTube channel yet, go to YouTube dot com slash 0:06:49.977 --> 0:06:53.857 buck Sexton and obviously you can go get Chris's book 0:06:54.297 --> 0:06:57.937 wherever fine books are sold. I want to ask you, 0:06:58.017 --> 0:07:02.417 Chris in a second, about how the counter revolution is going, 0:07:03.097 --> 0:07:04.777 because I'm sure that's a big part of what you're 0:07:04.817 --> 0:07:08.097 writing about as well. 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That's t the number 0:08:08.017 --> 0:08:11.457 two T dot org. Chris, how are we dealing with 0:08:11.537 --> 0:08:14.617 the counter revolution against the left wing lunatics who have 0:08:14.657 --> 0:08:16.897 taken over all of our institutions? Or at least most 0:08:16.937 --> 0:08:17.977 of them. 0:08:18.457 --> 0:08:22.097 Well, there's good news and bad news, and I always 0:08:22.097 --> 0:08:23.617 like to start with the bad news. The bad news 0:08:23.617 --> 0:08:27.017 is that they've had a fifty year head start, they're 0:08:27.017 --> 0:08:31.457 in a position of entrenched institutional power. But the good 0:08:31.497 --> 0:08:34.857 news is that over the last really two years, two 0:08:34.897 --> 0:08:37.977 and a half years now, the right has started to 0:08:38.177 --> 0:08:43.337 awaken to successful strategies of counter revolution. And so I 0:08:43.337 --> 0:08:47.217 think it began with the fight against CRT in late 0:08:47.297 --> 0:08:52.377 twenty twenty, It continued in the fight for control of 0:08:52.417 --> 0:08:56.417 local school boards in twenty twenty one, it moved to 0:08:56.937 --> 0:08:59.857 gender ideology in twenty twenty two, and now we find 0:08:59.857 --> 0:09:04.417 ourselves pioneering successful strategies to fight that woke capital or 0:09:04.937 --> 0:09:08.497 kind of left wing culture war from America's largest companies. 0:09:08.537 --> 0:09:12.337 And so this is a period of of learning, of study, 0:09:12.377 --> 0:09:17.057 of experimentation, of creating prototypes and new strategies. And I think, 0:09:17.097 --> 0:09:19.737 you know, I've been involved in many of these campaigns. 0:09:21.017 --> 0:09:24.297 I've learned a lot, and I'm very optimistic at heart 0:09:24.417 --> 0:09:28.697 because the story that we have to tell, the tactics 0:09:28.737 --> 0:09:31.937 that we have at our disposal, the political opportunities that 0:09:31.977 --> 0:09:35.297 are on the horizon are really only limited by our 0:09:35.337 --> 0:09:39.697 own creativity and our own willingness to fight. And as 0:09:39.737 --> 0:09:42.737 we become more creative, as we have more appetite for 0:09:42.897 --> 0:09:45.857 actually going out and fighting these fights, I think we're 0:09:45.857 --> 0:09:48.697 going to see success after success. And you know, the 0:09:48.777 --> 0:09:51.257 last chapter in the book is devoted to figuring out 0:09:51.297 --> 0:09:54.977 exactly how to do that, outlining some laying out rather 0:09:55.057 --> 0:09:58.897 some strategies for the right to achieve this counter revolution 0:09:59.017 --> 0:09:59.417 to come. 0:09:59.897 --> 0:10:02.737 Are you ever surprised? I mean, people who are in 0:10:02.817 --> 0:10:06.417 the movement on the right are familiar with a lot 0:10:06.457 --> 0:10:11.097 of your work that involves showing the public the extent 0:10:11.217 --> 0:10:15.217 and the extreme nature of some of the left wing 0:10:15.257 --> 0:10:19.097 and doctrination that's happening in institutions, whether it's local government 0:10:19.137 --> 0:10:24.497 bureaucracies or in Disney or wherever. Are you ever at 0:10:24.537 --> 0:10:27.537 this point those surprised at how insistent they are at 0:10:27.537 --> 0:10:30.297 defending the most extreme stuff. And one thing that has 0:10:30.337 --> 0:10:33.857 been I think a surprise to a lot of folks 0:10:33.857 --> 0:10:35.577 who are just paying attention to what's going on in 0:10:35.577 --> 0:10:38.977 the news is that they're not willing to take it 0:10:38.977 --> 0:10:42.137 seems a tactical retreat on say, drag Queen Story Hour 0:10:42.257 --> 0:10:46.257 for kids. Instead, they either say it's not happening, or 0:10:46.297 --> 0:10:48.137 they say it is happening and it's a good thing, 0:10:49.017 --> 0:10:50.617 and that just feels. 0:10:50.297 --> 0:10:52.977 Like you're transphobic for for even mentioning it. 0:10:53.097 --> 0:10:56.017 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean, did do you ever 0:10:56.057 --> 0:10:59.897 get surprised when you just see how basically how wacko 0:10:59.977 --> 0:11:01.417 the left has actually gotten. 0:11:02.057 --> 0:11:04.577 Yeah, although I think I would, I would, I don't 0:11:04.577 --> 0:11:08.377 think that that is kind of a unitary or universal narrative. 0:11:08.417 --> 0:11:10.617 And actually there's a big difference right now and a 0:11:10.697 --> 0:11:12.737 kind of a lag Maybe it's just a lagging indicator. 0:11:12.777 --> 0:11:16.057 But look, I mean, we won the fight on critical 0:11:16.137 --> 0:11:19.897 race theory. We defined it, we attacked it, we changed 0:11:19.937 --> 0:11:23.457 public opinion about it. The left really stopped defending it, 0:11:24.177 --> 0:11:28.457 and we've won concrete political victories, legislative victories, school board victories. 0:11:29.977 --> 0:11:31.937 And I think that you find even the kind of 0:11:32.017 --> 0:11:38.417 Robin DiAngelo's and Ibram Kendy's and BLM leaders having lost 0:11:38.937 --> 0:11:44.497 all credibility, having really been exposed for pushing a false ideology. 0:11:45.217 --> 0:11:47.977 And I think that the left in some sense through 0:11:48.017 --> 0:11:51.577 in the towel in some ways on these issues on 0:11:51.777 --> 0:11:55.377 gender and sexuality. That hasn't happened yet, and I'm still 0:11:55.377 --> 0:11:58.497 trying to really piece together why. But what I do 0:11:58.577 --> 0:12:00.457 know is just kind of a basic you know, what's 0:12:00.497 --> 0:12:04.937 the status quo right now is that they have doubled down, 0:12:05.097 --> 0:12:08.737 tripled down, quadrupled down on these things. Drag Queen's Story hour, 0:12:09.137 --> 0:12:13.257 you know, porn, pornography in schools, all of these various 0:12:14.457 --> 0:12:18.257 expressions of you know, queer theory and ideology, and then 0:12:18.297 --> 0:12:22.657 also the kind of performance of these ideologies. I think, 0:12:22.697 --> 0:12:26.177 for whatever reason, they're they're more committed to this than 0:12:26.217 --> 0:12:29.937 on CRT, for example, they're more dogged in the defense, 0:12:30.137 --> 0:12:33.497 and then they are willing to double down to a 0:12:33.497 --> 0:12:36.617 greater degree. And I don't know if it's because this 0:12:36.857 --> 0:12:40.257 campaign to expose this started a year later than CRT, 0:12:41.337 --> 0:12:43.897 but but something is happening there that I think we'll 0:12:43.897 --> 0:12:46.057 start to understand better in the coming months and years. 0:12:46.297 --> 0:12:48.817 Yeah, I mean, I appreciate that you put it, you 0:12:49.057 --> 0:12:52.017 added a context to it, because on those other issues, 0:12:52.057 --> 0:12:54.257 you're right, there have been retreats that have been made right. 0:12:54.257 --> 0:12:56.657 And that's I think that's why the gender issue sticks 0:12:56.657 --> 0:13:00.057 out so much in my mind, because even on CRT, 0:13:00.217 --> 0:13:02.177 on some of the more extreme stuff, they would say, 0:13:02.217 --> 0:13:04.537 oh well that's not I mean, you were right on 0:13:04.577 --> 0:13:07.377 the forefront of this. That's not CRT, they would say, 0:13:07.377 --> 0:13:10.657 think you know, they were playing games around the debate 0:13:10.697 --> 0:13:14.017 without engaging. But you will come across people on the 0:13:14.057 --> 0:13:17.897 gender debate who say, no, for a fifty year old 0:13:17.977 --> 0:13:21.217 man to be dressed as a woman wearing a thong 0:13:21.377 --> 0:13:25.857 and in fishnet tights, you know, jiggling his like butt 0:13:25.977 --> 0:13:30.857 in front of families with children is somehow one of 0:13:30.897 --> 0:13:33.177 the blessings of liberty. I mean, this is something that 0:13:33.297 --> 0:13:35.617 we see, you know that they stick with this, and 0:13:35.897 --> 0:13:40.217 I think that it's interesting because it's it's definitely a 0:13:40.257 --> 0:13:42.977 political live it should be a political liability for them. 0:13:43.257 --> 0:13:45.297 I want to ask you more though, about what you 0:13:45.297 --> 0:13:50.297 think is going to happen to DEI and just the 0:13:50.897 --> 0:13:55.417 CRT critical race theory, DEI diversity, equity inclusion, the racial 0:13:55.577 --> 0:13:58.297 entitlement state in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision 0:13:58.337 --> 0:14:02.057 that we just saw on college admission specifically. So let's 0:14:02.057 --> 0:14:05.137 get into that in a second here. But first of everybody, look, 0:14:05.177 --> 0:14:07.937 the my Pillow team is celebrating twenty years in business. 0:14:08.297 --> 0:14:10.857 That's right, twenty years in business. 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But some of these programs in 0:15:21.417 --> 0:15:25.097 the corporate world seem like they're perhaps in jeopardy or 0:15:25.137 --> 0:15:26.777 are they just going to continue on? How do you 0:15:26.777 --> 0:15:28.177 see that playing out? 0:15:28.377 --> 0:15:31.377 Yeah? Well, this has actually been my big political project 0:15:31.457 --> 0:15:34.897 for this year. I started by putting out model legislation 0:15:34.977 --> 0:15:39.377 with Manhattan Institute providing for state legislators to abolish the 0:15:39.417 --> 0:15:42.657 DEI bureaucracy and all of their public universities. I then 0:15:42.697 --> 0:15:46.857 did an investigative reporting campaign in Florida and Texas exposing 0:15:47.337 --> 0:15:50.857 some of these really ideological and abusive DEI programs and 0:15:50.977 --> 0:15:54.257 state universities. And then I worked with Governor DeSantis and 0:15:54.337 --> 0:15:59.937 legislators in Texas to help advocate for legislation that passed 0:16:00.097 --> 0:16:02.937 in both states to actually just abolish all of these 0:16:02.977 --> 0:16:06.337 programs altogether. And so I'm happy to say that in 0:16:06.577 --> 0:16:12.137 Florida and Texas those DEI programs are have been abolished legislatively. 0:16:12.697 --> 0:16:14.657 Are they still going to try to kind of hide 0:16:14.697 --> 0:16:16.897 them and sneak them and do them around the edges, 0:16:17.097 --> 0:16:20.297 change the names. Yeah, of course, and we have to 0:16:20.337 --> 0:16:23.097 be vigilant. But what we've done is set the precedent 0:16:23.257 --> 0:16:26.457 that these programs are not only unnecessary, but they're actually 0:16:26.537 --> 0:16:31.057 counterproductive to the mission of universities, schools, corporations, all of 0:16:31.057 --> 0:16:34.417 the various domains where they've taken hold. And we've seen 0:16:34.457 --> 0:16:38.057 even in the corporate setting, as the economy has tightened, 0:16:38.457 --> 0:16:42.297 as the kind of hysteria following the death of George 0:16:42.297 --> 0:16:46.577 Floyd has receded, companies are quietly shedding many of their 0:16:46.617 --> 0:16:50.777 DEI jobs, including very lefty companies in Silicon Valley and 0:16:50.817 --> 0:16:55.097 other places in California have been quietly firing reams of 0:16:55.137 --> 0:16:57.457 their DEI employees because they're finding out that these people 0:16:57.497 --> 0:17:02.017 only create problems. They don't offer any solutions. They're kind 0:17:02.017 --> 0:17:03.297 of a waste of head count. 0:17:03.097 --> 0:17:05.777 The productivity of the night. I mean, that's there's no 0:17:05.857 --> 0:17:10.577 value in this. It just is ideological and rain on 0:17:10.657 --> 0:17:11.777 company resources. 0:17:12.297 --> 0:17:15.337 That's yeah, exactly. They offer actually negative value. Right every 0:17:15.337 --> 0:17:18.657 dollar you pay for DEI, you know, you losed two dollars, 0:17:18.697 --> 0:17:22.897 so it's a it's not a good deal. And and 0:17:22.977 --> 0:17:26.057 so I think we're seeing a really big shift, and 0:17:26.097 --> 0:17:28.577 I'd like to accelerate that shift. And I'd like to 0:17:28.577 --> 0:17:32.017 see especially policymakers starting to just say, you know what, 0:17:32.737 --> 0:17:35.257 we want to have strict color blind equality. We're going 0:17:35.337 --> 0:17:37.857 to treat everyone equally as an individual, and we're going 0:17:37.937 --> 0:17:41.777 to have no left wing, highly ideological DEI departments in 0:17:41.817 --> 0:17:45.657 any of our state institutions. It's not necessary, it's not good, 0:17:46.377 --> 0:17:47.897 and it's not something that we're going to do. And 0:17:48.537 --> 0:17:50.977 you know, two years ago, three years ago, five years ago, 0:17:51.537 --> 0:17:55.017 was that feasible. I don't think so. But we've built 0:17:55.017 --> 0:17:57.977 the case over over a few years, starting with CRT, 0:17:58.737 --> 0:18:01.817 and we're going after it relentlessly. We've now abolished it 0:18:01.857 --> 0:18:04.097 in two of the largest red states, and I think 0:18:04.097 --> 0:18:06.657 that when legislatures are back in session in other states, 0:18:07.017 --> 0:18:10.697 we're going to see a remarkable domino effect to start 0:18:10.737 --> 0:18:14.097 to wipe out some of these DEI departments for good. 0:18:15.457 --> 0:18:19.737 Now, places like Disney, some of these big companies. We 0:18:19.777 --> 0:18:22.817 saw what happened to bud Light right trying to I 0:18:22.817 --> 0:18:26.017 don't even think it was trying to appeal to a 0:18:26.257 --> 0:18:29.777 subset of its customer base, which I don't know how 0:18:29.817 --> 0:18:32.097 popular bud Light is or was with the with the 0:18:32.177 --> 0:18:35.897 transgender community, but to virtue signal to the left that 0:18:35.977 --> 0:18:40.217 we're a company that cares about this issue. Whatever, Disney, 0:18:40.257 --> 0:18:42.257 I know you you were involved. I believe in showing. 0:18:42.297 --> 0:18:45.577 I've talked about this this video many times. Was it 0:18:45.657 --> 0:18:47.377 was it your work that got the video out there 0:18:47.457 --> 0:18:49.817 of the woman who said that she had a Yeah, yeah, 0:18:50.057 --> 0:18:52.297 I had tip to you. That was amazing that the 0:18:52.337 --> 0:18:55.497 head of creative content at Disney said that she had 0:18:55.497 --> 0:19:00.137 a pan sexual and a non binary like pant sexual 0:19:00.217 --> 0:19:03.297 child and a non binary child. 0:19:03.497 --> 0:19:04.817 Do these people what are the odds? 0:19:06.337 --> 0:19:09.857 What are the odds? Do these people believe this or 0:19:09.897 --> 0:19:13.177 do they think they have to say this stuff because 0:19:13.177 --> 0:19:16.977 they're afraid of the woke Marxist in the HR department 0:19:17.017 --> 0:19:19.337 in your experience, Oh. 0:19:19.177 --> 0:19:21.777 No, no, they absolutely believe it. And that person in 0:19:22.057 --> 0:19:25.657 particular is a is a diehard, you know, true believer, 0:19:26.537 --> 0:19:29.537 you know, and it's just you know, kind of eye popping, 0:19:29.857 --> 0:19:34.337 uh and almost unimaginable. But what these identities have become, 0:19:35.097 --> 0:19:38.697 uh is luxury objects. There was a time in America's 0:19:39.137 --> 0:19:42.057 you know kind of uh you know, Wall Street eighties 0:19:42.137 --> 0:19:45.417 heyday where you you might want to drive a Lamborghini 0:19:45.497 --> 0:19:48.137 and have a you know, a product suit. I don't know, 0:19:48.177 --> 0:19:50.137 I'm not not not in that world. But you know, 0:19:50.177 --> 0:19:53.577 those are the status symbols. But now like having children 0:19:53.617 --> 0:19:56.697 with unique sexualities is the thing that you want to 0:19:56.737 --> 0:20:00.217 show the world and shows how tolerant and open and 0:20:00.297 --> 0:20:03.257 cultured and advanced and free thinking you are. And so 0:20:03.257 --> 0:20:05.817 she she's bragging through her things. I have a one 0:20:05.817 --> 0:20:09.177 pan sexual child and one transgender child, and and and 0:20:09.177 --> 0:20:11.457 and so therefore I I'm kind of the moral authority, 0:20:12.217 --> 0:20:14.857 but I think it comes from a place of of 0:20:14.857 --> 0:20:19.457 of kind of a sense of moral of fear. You know, 0:20:19.537 --> 0:20:22.577 these are this is you know, a middle aged white woman, 0:20:23.097 --> 0:20:25.097 she's got to stand out in the corporate environment. Well, 0:20:25.337 --> 0:20:27.777 what better way than to have a kind of a 0:20:28.017 --> 0:20:34.497 kind of small cornucopia of sexual identities among your offspring. 0:20:34.537 --> 0:20:38.057 I mean, it's it seems bizarre when you actually see 0:20:38.057 --> 0:20:40.657 the video from the public point of view, but if 0:20:40.697 --> 0:20:45.337 you're actually inside these places and institutions, this is just 0:20:45.377 --> 0:20:47.937 like the normal conversation. This is the day to day 0:20:48.857 --> 0:20:52.457 banter and chitter chatter that happens. And so my job 0:20:52.497 --> 0:20:54.377 is to take this stuff and expose it to the 0:20:54.417 --> 0:20:57.897 public and to actually have some real feedback for these folks. 0:20:59.017 --> 0:21:01.257 And I think that with Disney, we certainly did that 0:21:01.257 --> 0:21:03.257 that was quite a big quite a big story. 0:21:03.537 --> 0:21:05.777 Yeah, and we've talked about it many times and credited 0:21:06.017 --> 0:21:09.337 your work on it because it's pretty amazing. I want 0:21:09.377 --> 0:21:10.577 to come back in a second. I'm gonna ask you 0:21:10.577 --> 0:21:12.177 a question, but I want you to hold don't answer 0:21:12.217 --> 0:21:14.337 quite yet, but I want to. I want to ask 0:21:14.377 --> 0:21:16.457 you this and then it will work from our sponsor. 0:21:16.857 --> 0:21:19.777 But it's what is the what is for you? Just 0:21:19.937 --> 0:21:25.377 the most outrageous like the craziest DEI training material stuff 0:21:25.377 --> 0:21:28.177 you've come across from any institution, Like where was it? 0:21:28.217 --> 0:21:28.857 And what was it? 0:21:28.897 --> 0:21:29.137 All? Right? 0:21:29.137 --> 0:21:31.257 Can I can I get back to that in a second. Well, 0:21:31.657 --> 0:21:33.817 we'll deal with this one. You know, Chris has written 0:21:33.817 --> 0:21:35.817 a book which I'm sure is about to be. If 0:21:35.817 --> 0:21:38.977 it's not already a bestseller, it's just out so the 0:21:39.057 --> 0:21:41.137 numbers are going up, folks. But you know what if 0:21:41.137 --> 0:21:43.097 you're writing a book, if you're just working on a project, 0:21:43.137 --> 0:21:45.297 you've got something going on at home. What happens if 0:21:45.297 --> 0:21:48.097 your computer fails you? Look it can happen. Happened to 0:21:48.137 --> 0:21:49.897 me the other day a computer wouldn't turn on. 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