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Speaker 1: Ralph Man, This was hard. Kobe passing was just absolutely

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Speaker 1: footprint that he was in and these are the people

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Speaker 1: that he inspired, and um and man, it's it's it's

433
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rough go without him. But I

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Speaker 1: hope people cling to some of the things that they

435
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Speaker 1: were able to just sort of take away from his

436
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: legacy and move forward and do something positive. I totally agree.

437
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: I mean, it's is very hard and very difficult. But

438
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Speaker 1: the I mean, like, wouldn't wouldn't Kobe hate us for

439
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: giving up? I mean he wouldn't. He wouldn't. Isn't the

440
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: worst possible thing that we could do? It? Tom? Yeah, Yeah,

441
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: it's for hey, it is what it is is too,

442
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: it's for things to get hard and then fold up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean would I mean he would if people if

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I know that it's impossible to possibly

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Speaker 1: think what you know to even try to give some

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Speaker 1: advice to Vanessa or anything like that. But wouldn't I mean, like,

447
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't he hate it? Though? If if everybody just gave

448
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Speaker 1: up on on life and stop doing what they were

449
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: doing because he died? Yeah, And I mean that was

450
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: part of what he said, right, be different but the same.

451
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: It was a joke and a Nike commercial where he said,

452
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Speaker 1: are you a different animal but the same beast? You

453
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: know that commercial with Kanye going around social media so

454
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Speaker 1: much in the last couple of days with all the

455
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Speaker 1: other great memories or whatever. But things are different now,

456
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: and but things still have to be the same, you know.

457
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Speaker 1: So can you be different and can you still attack

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Speaker 1: everything with the same intensity as before? And that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be that's gonna be the challenge for his fans and

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Speaker 1: for all the people that he impacted and for the

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Speaker 1: game of basketball itself. Yeah, and so it's a hard day.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hard time, you know, for everybody

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Speaker 1: to get over it. And you know, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: look at the things that that in my life. I

465
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Speaker 1: think the best thing you can do to honor some

466
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Speaker 1: body is too really look at the things that they

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Speaker 1: stood for and that we're important to them and kind

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Speaker 1: of honor those things. And he meant so much positively

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Speaker 1: that I want to make sure that I take some

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Speaker 1: of those things and really honor those and and my

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Speaker 1: life because the only greatness can come from that role.

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Speaker 1: Ih You see, l A Man one of the beacons

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Speaker 1: of the Pack twelve, one of the like one of

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Speaker 1: the nationally known programs of prestigious academic university most applied

475
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Speaker 1: to in the world. Why they can't balance the budget.

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00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: They had to borrow eighteen plus million dollars in an

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Speaker 1: interest bearing loan from the school to fund sports, football

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Speaker 1: and basketball. All that U c l A Are not

479
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: only supposed to member, are only supposed to fund themselves.

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00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: They're also supposed to make money and allow them to

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Speaker 1: create reserves for later. What the hell is going on

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00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: at you see l A. I mean, they got a

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Speaker 1: problem with the A p R, which is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: entirely all their fault, but they have an issue with

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Speaker 1: balancing the budget. There athletic director Dan Guerrero, who's on

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Speaker 1: the way out. It's I don't know how he didn't

487
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: get fired, like you get fired for stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: They they their budget for seventeen was their budget for

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Speaker 1: four million, one thirte because they got a under arm

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: or big bonus payment, and then one oh eight for

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00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen in their expenses. They balanced the budget

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Speaker 1: into thousand seventeen and eighteen, spent spent every dollar, which

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Speaker 1: you are technically supposed to do when you have a budget,

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00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: and then um twenty nineteen twenty seven seven point three

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00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: against one hundred eight of revenue. That is horrendous ralph

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Speaker 1: A hundred eight million dollars in revenue for u C.

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Speaker 1: L A. I mean, when you look at the other

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Speaker 1: college numbers from two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen,

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Speaker 1: even a hundred eight million dollars puts you in the

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Speaker 1: neighborhood of of Kansas Rutgers, Illinois, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: for u c l A. What the hell is the problem?

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Speaker 1: Ralph Hi, George, I was under the impression there would

503
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Speaker 1: be no mass but uh, you know, this budget looks

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Speaker 1: like I was the one in charge of it. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't I don't know what's going on. I

506
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: just know that you know that this is all going

507
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: to get pinned on Chip Kelly somehow, like he's the

508
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Speaker 1: athletic director and he's not. Dan Guerrero is the athletic director.

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Speaker 1: He's been there for fifteen years. This is the first

510
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: time they've ever lost money. And when he was asked

511
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: about it, the quote he gave is probably the dumbest

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Speaker 1: thing I've ever read in my entire life. He said,

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Speaker 1: fiscal responsibility has been a hallmark of U c l

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Speaker 1: A athletics, and being almost completely self funded while growing

515
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: the budget from forty two million in two thousand two

516
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: million currently has been a point of pride. What is

517
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: he even saying. There's not saying anything. He's not saying anything.

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Speaker 1: It's like if my wife went to the grocery store

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Speaker 1: to buy groceries. Card got declined and she came home

520
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: and said, where's our money? And I said, hey, honey,

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Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that our grocery

522
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: budget used to just be a couple hundred bucks a

523
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Speaker 1: month when it was you and me, but me getting

524
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Speaker 1: your pregnant four times and growing our grocery budget to

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Speaker 1: a thousand dollars every single month. That's a point of

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Speaker 1: pride for me. Where is the answer to the question

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Speaker 1: in that, George, Like, what are we supposed to do

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00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: with that information? In that case, my wife would be

529
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Speaker 1: furious at me, and she would have every right to.

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Speaker 1: And I think that anybody who is wanting to hold U.

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Speaker 1: C l A accountable to their finances because when you

532
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: have a budget shortfall, people often lose their jobs, you know.

533
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Speaker 1: And so he's retiring, he's on his way out. It

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00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't even hurt him to just wear a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this and say like, yeah, as the athletic director,

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Speaker 1: it's my job to make sure that we can meet

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Speaker 1: our financial responsibilities. Not only were we not able to

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Speaker 1: do that, but we're gonna end up costing ourselves more

539
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: in the long run because we have to take on

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00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: interest bearing loan in order to pay ourselves back. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna work in conjunction with the incoming athletic director to

542
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Speaker 1: make sure that we can get this right. It's important. No,

543
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: don't work with him, don't work with I'm gonna stay.

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00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay as far away from as possible so

545
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that so that we can get things under control. But

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Speaker 1: what I don't like is that, you know, Chip Kelly

547
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: is not doing that well as football coach, and Steve

548
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Alford definitely struggled when and he was the basketball coach there,

549
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be laid at their feet like just

550
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: because of program loses games, that they're not supposed to

551
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: meet their fiscal and financial responsibilities. And it's stupid. That's

552
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily the case. And anybody who screws up to

553
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: the point where eighteen nineteen million dollars just goes missing,

554
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: unaccounted for, isn't somebody that should be in a position

555
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: of authority, especially if there's somebody who can't just take

556
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: accountability for it. And that's one of my biggest problems

557
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: with society today is that there are just a bunch

558
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: of rich people who have never made a goddamn mistake

559
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: in their entire lives, Yet everything is uh screwed up.

560
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: So someone is screwing up, So point me to whoever

561
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: is in charge so we can give that person a

562
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: swift kick in the shin and get everything back on track.

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00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I think if you're a u c l A fan,

564
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: you should be furious about this because meeting their financial

565
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: obligations is the largest part of the entire job of

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Speaker 1: running anything. My my father in law, he um, he's

567
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: a big U c l A donor and he has

568
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean like, he's donated multiple full scholarships multiple I

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00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: sent him this article. He said, that's what happens when

570
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: you put a crapping product on the field and court

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00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: for almost two decades. Good job, Dan, And and he

572
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: knows this man personally knows him personally, like has his

573
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: phone number, and he's like, Bro, this dude's the worst.

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Speaker 1: Nobody who ever says good job followed by your first

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Speaker 1: name actually means good job, good job Ralph. Yeah, never never,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard those three words together. He's just the

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00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the comma. First name after good job is almost always sarcastic.

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00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Here's the question that I have though, So where did

579
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: the money go? So the money went to? There was

580
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: the they paid twelve and a half million dollars in

581
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: severance to Jim Mora in uh fiscal year eighteen to

582
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Speaker 1: cover the four remaining years, then paid three point nine

583
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Speaker 1: million dollars to offer it and gave Cronian a two

584
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: million dollars signing Bonus. Donors agreed to help cover portions

585
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Speaker 1: of the buyouts, but it came in pledges paid over

586
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: time UM. But they were still able to balance the

587
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: books because of the sixteen million dollars that came from

588
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Speaker 1: under armour and some of the reserves that they had,

589
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: but they didn't have the option, well, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: the money to then pay the five point nine million

591
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: dollar hit that came from the basketball change, but that's

592
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: still only a drop in the bucket for the eight

593
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: team million. So they spent extra money on UM, on

594
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: nutrition for the for the athletes, which is a good investment,

595
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: extra five million dollars on Olympic sports. But the reality

596
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day is you have to

597
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: win on the field and on the basketball court, and

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00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: u c l A history says they're one of the

599
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: greatest college basketball teams of all time. They had they

600
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: haven't been good since Adam Morrison was going up against

601
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Love and there Adam Morris is out of the NBA,

602
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Loves on his last tooth. That's how long it's been.

603
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: If you take out the Alonzo ball year, they've been bad.

604
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: So so the question and the thing is how close, sir,

605
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: they really to being back. That's the question that you

606
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: have to ask. How close are they? And it doesn't

607
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: look like they're very close right now. And the reason

608
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: why that's important, Ralph, is because if you transition onto

609
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: the other side of town to see what's going on

610
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: at USC, people at USC, oh, everything will be fine

611
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: once we get a new coach as slow down. Look

612
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: at what happened at U c l a basketball who's

613
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: one of the beacons of all college basketball programs. It

614
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: was like them Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas and that's about it.

615
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: And they fall into the third tier team right now,

616
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: second third tier team can't even get the top recruits

617
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: at this point in time. USC. If they don't get

618
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: this fixed in football, they will suffer the same faith.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong, Ralph? No, You're you're not wrong. Um,

620
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm obviously that there's a there's some some differences,

621
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, they'll see a financial hit obviously, UM, but

622
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: we won't know as much about it as we do

623
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: with u c l A being a public school taking

624
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: taxpayer funding, so we get the opportunity to see some

625
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: of their books or whatever. Um. But I just think

626
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: about some of the stuff that Dan Guerrero is doning

627
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: and he talks about, you know, they grew the budget. Well,

628
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: being part of the Pack twelve grew the budget. He

629
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: didn't have much to do with that. And the one

630
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: thing that Dan Guerrero did to actually help infuse u

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00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: c l A's program with cash by signing what was

632
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: at the time the biggest deal with an apparel provider

633
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: in the history of college athletics, one that both parties

634
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: have come to regret in getting too. I believe what

635
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: he got two eighty million dollars from under Armour back

636
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen. Well, how do you think

637
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: under Armour feels sinking two million dollars into an athletic

638
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: program that is not doing anything in the premier sports

639
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: that they need to be able to uh to shine.

640
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: They can't even get the logo out except for when

641
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: they're getting blown out by Oklahoma, And how do you

642
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: think the students feel when the stuff that they're getting

643
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: from under Armour they believe is contributing to their inability

644
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: to succeed as athletes. There's a big article that came

645
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: out in ten about U c l A athletes refusing

646
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: to wear the under Armour stuff that was provided to

647
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: them track athletes saying you know, uh, Kendall Gustafson said

648
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: that the athletes, uh, some athletes suffered achilles injuries and

649
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: switched back to Nike A six and Adidas because under

650
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: Armour is not a track shoe company. So I did

651
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: not even know they made tracks shoes. Well, they they

652
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: have to. They have to to be able to outfit

653
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: the entire program because they're paying for that entire program

654
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: to be able to represent their brand and so even

655
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: have the technology for that, they're still a very new

656
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: company like they are in basketball all shoes and apparel.

657
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean really that's where they live. So and so

658
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: that's the thing is Dan Guerrero. Yeah, he gets this

659
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: cash infusion, but at what costs, because then you have

660
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: to go out and sell the idea of representing under

661
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Armour for free to elite athletes who may have comfort

662
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: with a different brand that actually enhances and specializes in

663
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. And that and and so the one

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Speaker 1: of the best things that Dan Guerrero did for the

665
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: u c l A program ended up kind of being

666
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: a poison pill. And that's not to say that I

667
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: have anything bad to say about under armour. Had plenty

668
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: of under armoured things in my house, you know, definitely

669
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: not athletic shoes. Um, but you know that the this

670
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: whole idea. Then the fact that u c l A

671
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: athletes were going on record with the Daily Bruin saying that,

672
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, the title sponsor, the two eight million dollar sponsor,

673
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: was contributing to the lack of welfare for athletes on campus.

674
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: That's not good for any of the parties involved. So

675
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: even the best thing that he ever did ended up

676
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: kind of backfiring on them. And then to be able

677
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: to have all that money in hand and not and

678
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and not meet your budget is it's it's even crazier.

679
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: And so my question to you, George is is this

680
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: part of all? Is this all part of one problem

681
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: or are there multiple unrelated problems all going on at

682
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: u c l A at the same time. Because you know,

683
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: you can have cancer and that can cause your immune

684
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: system to be compromised, and that can give you pneumonia,

685
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: or you can just have cancer and pneumonia, and the

686
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: two things don't have anything to do with each other.

687
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: When we see all these athletes just transferring out of

688
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: u c l A, whether it's you know, the latest

689
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: tight end who decided to leave, or Sharif O'Neil leaving

690
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: the basketball team, Um is this are these things related?

691
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Phillips, he's one of the best recruits

692
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: of all time. He just tweeted that he had left

693
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: the toxic environment, and everyone assumes he's talking about U

694
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: c l A, not Southern California and in in general. Yeah,

695
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: but this is a kid to who who thought he

696
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: wanted to leave football to be a music producer. I mean,

697
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: and I mean we I think that there's a different

698
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: temperature that toxic environment. Nobody has ever said. I mean,

699
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly coached in Philadelphia, the forty Niners coached at Oregon.

700
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: Nobody has ever said it was a toxic environment. I've

701
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: never heard that. So, you know, it looks, you know,

702
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: like one office in a twenty nine symptom. We just

703
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: had a kid from Kentucky. He had a five star

704
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: kid in basketball leave Kentucky going to the transfer portal

705
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: because he was he wasn't playing well. Minutes went went

706
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: down and he said, I came here because I believed

707
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: in coach caliber Pari and you know, it's just not

708
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: going the way that I thought it was gonna go.

709
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: So I'm out in the middle of his freshman season.

710
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: I come on, man, like, you gotta be able to

711
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: ride some of the hard stuff out and U c

712
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: l A. If Chip Kelly can can restore some wins,

713
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: because that will help everything. That will help the the

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00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: attendance at u c l A games, because we have

715
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: season tickets to u c l A. And I've never

716
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: in my life seen the the stadium this empty. And

717
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: the schedule doesn't really help, but guess what they will

718
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Probably they better be three and oh after the first

719
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: three weeks they play New Mexico State, at Hawaii and

720
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: at San Diego State, so they better win those games.

721
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: They better started out the he's in three and out

722
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: and then they get I'm sorry, I just I just

723
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: popped into my head because the Super Bowls this week,

724
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get into that a little bit later.

725
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: In the show. But do you think the Lashawn McCoy

726
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: stuff has anything to do with it his criticism? Do

727
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: you think there's a ripple effect lasting issues of Lashawn

728
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: McCoy calling out Chip Kelly and their whole beef. You know,

729
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: does that factor into athlete attitudes at all? I think

730
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: it may in recruiting if people, you know, we're negative

731
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: recruiting if people bring it up. But Leshawn McCoy is

732
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily the voice of reason. You mean you mean

733
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: you mean someone having the nickname shady. Yes, Okay, yeah,

734
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: he's he's not as influential with kids because he's not

735
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: that good anymore. I mean, he's kind of on the

736
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: tail end of his career, doesn't really have a huge

737
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: sold for media presence. People hated him for for for

738
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: spoiling um spoiling the end of what was the Star

739
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Wars or black Pants? I mean, like one of the

740
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Avengers movies. Something he spoiled the end of the movie.

741
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: People were upset on Twitter. So yeah, so he's not

742
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: necessarily a guy that I don't think that that factors

743
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: into the recruiting. I think U c l A has

744
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: a couple inherent problems recruiting number one. I know this

745
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: is gonna sound sound weird, and I know we live

746
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: in twenty and people want to say we're all inclusive,

747
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: everything is perfect, everything is the same, But it's not. U. C.

748
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: L A's colors, first of all, are tough to sell.

749
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: They are yellow. Yes, it just doesn't look as tough.

750
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: And and that's that's number one there. And I don't

751
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: think that that's a You think you think powder blue

752
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: comes off as soft? You think people a little bit. Yeah,

753
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: we really think aesthetics have more to do with it

754
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: than No. No, I think this is a multiple part

755
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: part problem. I think that the I think that the

756
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: that the colors provide maybe become an issue for like

757
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: ten percent, right, especially when you're recruiting against USC and

758
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: who's got much stronger colors. Maybe, Yeah, I mean it does.

759
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: It does look like when you're decorating your nursery you

760
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: got a boy, yeah, you know you expect to see

761
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: the neutral the neutral yellows and the and the soft

762
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: blues to soothe your infant exactly. And then the other

763
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: issue that you run into is the under armor thing.

764
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: There is probably twenty five percent of kids who will

765
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: not go to a school because of their their shoe

766
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: kind track. There are kids who wear Nikes, there are

767
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: kids who wear Adidas, and yeah, there's a couple of

768
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: people who wear under Armor. It's just different. Under Armour

769
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: tried real hard to get into the grassroots. They sponsored

770
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: our rivals camps for a while, and I think they've

771
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: they've got their own camps and so they know how

772
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: important it is to get in front of kids. And

773
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: and some of their honestly, like some of their cleats

774
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: UM have been pretty innovative and stuff like that. But

775
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: the truth is it's still not it's still not Adidas,

776
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and it's still not Nike. Yeah, it's not ringing in

777
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: the streets like that. And the last part is that

778
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: they're just not winning right now. So it is very

779
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: easy to say, Okay, you you can go to U c.

780
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: L A if you want to. Will Will would just

781
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: beat you up every time that we play you, and

782
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: so will everybody else. You can go there and lose

783
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: if you want to, or you can go over here

784
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: you can be a be a winner. Go over and

785
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: be a winner. So so that's what they're selling right now.

786
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: That's why um, that's why you have usc suffering and

787
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: recruiting because you have a lame duck coach and that's

788
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: where we will go next. Ralph is uh the number

789
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: one player in the one class. Corey Foreman, he just

790
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: committed to Clemson right after their junior Day. And Bo Collins,

791
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: who dje uga leggy oui aga, Okay, I need to

792
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: get there right before college football season starts, Uga leile

793
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: that he actually actually I shouldn't have to call his

794
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: call his name until until next year anyway, because they

795
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: still have Trevor Lawrence, um you his high school wide

796
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: receiver who's a top wide wide receiver in California as

797
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: a John Bosco. They both committed to Clemson within what

798
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, and USC thought that they had a

799
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: real shot with him, and they thought that they had

800
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: Corey Foreman in the bag. They were like, this thing

801
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: is in the bag. Don't worry about it, Clay Clay Hilton.

802
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: Everything will be five for one because we got we're

803
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna make a bounce back and recruiting, and then that happens.

804
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: That's no bueno. Rolph, Yeah, that's really bad. And and

805
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: to I mean to put into context, Bo Collins is

806
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: currently the number twenty two player in the country. According

807
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: to Rivals, I think he's like the number four or

808
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: five receiver. He's listed as a four star, But when

809
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, the star well, the top

810
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: thirty two players end up being five stars because the

811
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: entire rating system is built around them projecting to the

812
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: first round of the NFL Draft three to four years.

813
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: So a the all of five star is on either

814
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: or on Rivals. The network that I work alongside, all

815
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: the five star is is somebody that they believe will

816
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: be picked in the first round of the draft when

817
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: their time comes. That's what five star meets is first

818
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: round pick. It's it's not an indication of how successful

819
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: they'll be at the college level. It's not even an

820
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: indication of how good they are as a high school player.

821
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: They are projecting someone to the first round. And right now,

822
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 1: what Rivals is saying is that four years from now,

823
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: Bo Collins and Corey Foreman, who is currently the number

824
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: one player in the entire country, are both going to

825
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: be first round picks in the NFL Draft. They live

826
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: a few miles from USC's campus, and they are not

827
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: only leaving home, they're going undred miles from home. They're

828
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: getting as far away from USC as possible. I think

829
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: the only thing that would be more embarrassing as if

830
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: they made early commitments to potentially a Pack twelve school

831
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: or something like that. And and so you know, yeah,

832
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: they still have a commitment from Jake Garcia, but you

833
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: and I talked on the phone the other night. You know,

834
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: they're a long way from getting the ink dried on

835
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: on on Jake Garcia's signature. The worst possible thing that

836
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: could happen for for USC is to lose out on

837
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: Jake Garcia. It's the way that they lost out on

838
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: Bryce Yung. Yeah, and USC in the class they Oregon

839
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: has four of the top twenty six players in California

840
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: committed to to go to the University of organ uh

841
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: USC has three. They have Jake Garcia, who may or

842
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: may not fulfill that commitment, depended on like we talked about,

843
00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: if he gets spooked. You have uh My ote Ote,

844
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: whose brother plays at USC. So that's pretty much that's

845
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: probably a lock. But the rest of the kids, two

846
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: of them going to Notre Dame probably. You got kids

847
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: going to Washington, Alabama, Uh, clemton is Post, a couple

848
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: l s U got ray Sean Davis. I mean, you're

849
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: just looking at a case where okay, where is U

850
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: s c oh and then a court quarterback Miller Moss,

851
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna probably go to go to Cow. You're just

852
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: sitting there like, where on earth do you think that

853
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen? Yeah? And I mean if

854
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: people gotta remember, even back as far as the class

855
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, probably the prized freshman recruit they took

856
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: out of that class was Drake Jackson, who proved to

857
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: be one of the best um you know, probably close

858
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: to Kalon Thibodeau is as the best defensive lineman um

859
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: in the entire pack twelve in that freshman class. And

860
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: even his decision and was came down to like the

861
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: last minute of his dad practically begging him to go

862
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: to USC over a s U and him revealing that

863
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: he had a USC shirt on under his under his

864
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: zip up hoodie. But I mean he was telling a

865
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: s U that they were in it all the way

866
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: up until he made that decision, and so they almost

867
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: lost out on him too. This is it's it's scary

868
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: right now, what's going on to the USC? I talked

869
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: to a college coach the other day. I know you've

870
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: talked to college coaches who have been in this situation

871
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: as well, where the idea of working for USC has

872
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: been floated to them, and they have said, for my

873
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: own health and my own family's health, I don't know

874
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: if I could go somewhere where I might only be

875
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: there for a year and I'm just starting out, it

876
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: might set me back to where I'm I don't get

877
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: another start. Like That's how wary of this situation so

878
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: many people are at this point. Again, you and I

879
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: have both had conversations with college level coaches that have

880
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: said that when presented the opportunity to potentially be in

881
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: a gig at USC, that they had to eliminate that mentally. Yep,

882
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. If you are USC, the question is,

883
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: how do you stop the bleeding because because you hired

884
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: Todd Orlando to be the defensive coordinator who had to

885
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: be like your six seventh choice, because a lot of

886
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: people turn the job down because they're like, yo, we

887
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: we have a lame duck coach, just a bad idea

888
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: bad job to take. I'm not doing it. So the only,

889
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: the only, the only way to fix it at this

890
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: point will actually there are two ways to fix it.

891
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: First thing is you either have to go all in,

892
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: give Bob Stoops or urban Meyer whatever they want, let

893
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: him fire, hire whoever they want in the building, let

894
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: it be their show. Or you have to try to

895
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: see what Graham Harrold can do for you. But the

896
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: first most important thing that you have to do if

897
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: you don't hire a big splash head coach that ap

898
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: proven winner like that, is you have to let go

899
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: of the idea of what a USC man looks like.

900
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: Because that's why they didn't hire ed O. Geron Booster

901
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: said he'll never be the head coach because he doesn't

902
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: look like a USC guy. Who cares? Are you gonna

903
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: win football games? That is the only thing that matters,

904
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: And until you get your elitist head stuck out of

905
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: your ass, you will continue to lose. These are the breaks.

906
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: This is how it works, Ralph, Like nothing ever good

907
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: comes from from that um. You are very excited though, Ralph,

908
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: your boy Todd Graham, former Arizona State coach, is back

909
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: coaching college football. Mahallow, yeah, I mean ty Graham got

910
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: that Hawaii job. I I I hear the I hear

911
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: the light in your voice. You are so happy right now.

912
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: I am. Man Ty Graham's a He's an interesting dude. Um,

913
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: he's somebody that He's somebody that if you listen to

914
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: him speak, I mean you talk about that feeling of

915
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: wanting to run through a wall, like, He'll make you

916
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: want to be better at whatever it is that you're

917
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: that you're doing, you know. And then if you have

918
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: a direct interaction with him, you know where he's not

919
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: just sort of speaking in generalities to a group. If

920
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you have a direct interaction with you, so sometimes will

921
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: make you feel smaller than a than a fleet. You know.

922
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: He's an interesting dude who has kind of multiple sides

923
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: to his personality. He is incredibly abrasive, he's incredibly demanding,

924
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: and um, he's also just absolute career steroids for people.

925
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: If you look at his coaching tree, it is absurd.

926
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: Whether people have been a g A under him or

927
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: an analyst under him, or a position coach or a coordinator,

928
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: they almost always get opportunities immediately to go do big

929
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: things elsewhere. And so I think his existence in college football,

930
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad that he's sort of back in

931
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: the game because he creates those opportunities for people to

932
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: thrive in other places, And it's one of those through

933
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: the fire things. Man, if you can work for Todd Graham,

934
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: you can work for anybody, and Todd Graham will definitely

935
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: prepare you to to to be out there on your

936
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: own as well. You know, you got Chip Lindsay, who

937
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: is an a s U offensive coordinator as a head

938
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: coaching gig now, Billy Napier, who is an offensive coordinator

939
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: for a S He's got a head coaching gig now.

940
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Mike Norvell is now the head coach at uh at

941
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: at Florida State. I mean, even like guys like Dan

942
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: Landing who were just sort of g a S under

943
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: Todd Graham, he's already the defensive nator at the University

944
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: of Georgia. And so you know, um Jane Norvelle spent

945
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: one year as his wide receiver's coach. He's the head

946
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: coach at Nevada. So I mean, it's you know, I'm

947
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy for him. I'm happy that he's back

948
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: in it. I think he does a good job of

949
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: of of molding young men and and and having like

950
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: big expectations of them, and at the same time, like, yeah,

951
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: he's definitely he's out there as far as his personality

952
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: and and it's kind of a lot to a lot

953
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: to digest. But you know, we in a world where

954
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: we've kind of softened all the corners and rounded everything

955
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: off so that things aren't so abrasive. I think it's

956
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of nice that, you know, you've got the guy

957
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: who's essentially the dad from King of the Hill, uh,

958
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: not the dad Hank Hills dad, the grandpa from King

959
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: of the Hill out there with his old school ways.

960
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: And I think it'll be interesting in the way that

961
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: it mixes with sort of the culture of Hawaii and

962
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: and I hope he does some really good things out there.

963
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Mountain West football. Any way. Um,

964
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: form another you know, uh, former a s U assistant

965
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: in Dani Gonzalez being the head coach at New Mexico

966
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: now and former San Diego State head coach Rocky Long

967
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: leaves San Diego State to go be the defensive coordinator

968
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: under the guy that was his defensive coordinator at San

969
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Diego State. It's all pretty wild. He'll be part of

970
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: a really fun conference and uh and I'm I'm I'm

971
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: looking forward to I'll be rooting for him in almost

972
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: every game except for when they play my Wyoming Cowboys,

973
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: who to change the topic, Wyoming Cowboys just donated their

974
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: d C to the cause out there in Pullman, Washington

975
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: and in Jake Dickert and uh and I think that'll

976
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: be that'll be an interesting uh move for him. Wyoming's

977
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: defense was really really good, especially considering that their quarterbacks

978
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: can't throw the ball, which is why I think anybody

979
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: who looks at Josh Allen's college stats is an insane

980
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: person throwing the ball, and Laramie is uh quite a

981
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: to ask, so they give the ball quite back all

982
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: the time. They're always giving the ball back to the

983
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: opposing offense and uh and and they still managed to

984
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: be ranked pretty high nationally defensively, and so um hopefully

985
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: that will be the answer that Washington State is looking

986
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: for on the defensive side of the ball. UM, because

987
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: Washington State's not really a team that gives the ball

988
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: back very often, and they really do like to air

989
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: it out and have a whole lot of success. So

990
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: the guy who had the orchestrated the number thirteen past

991
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: defense in the country, number twenty three total defense UM

992
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: in the country. Uh, is headed to Pullman and I'm

993
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if it works out for them. Yeah,

994
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: that will be interesting because I know that you're attached

995
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: at because you are a wyoming lover. You and you

996
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's parents who hate me on Twitter. But

997
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: there was another addition in the well lost in the

998
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: back twelve. You had Cows defensive backs coach who has

999
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: been on the radar of assistant coaches that you need

1000
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: to watch, which with with moving on to the NFL

1001
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: or becoming defensive coordinators eventually become a head coaches Gerald

1002
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Alexander and he moves on to the Miami Dolphins to

1003
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: be their defensive backs coach, and and I And it's

1004
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: funny because I had talked to him and he was

1005
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: and he had actually hoped that Nick Rolovich would call

1006
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: him about the defensive coordinator job at Washington State and

1007
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: or some other people might call him about a defensive

1008
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: coordinator job. He did not get any calls about the

1009
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator job, which was a little bit frustrating, But

1010
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: at the same time, the NFL came came calling. And

1011
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: how it works in coaching is is if you're a

1012
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: college coach, is hard to get an NFL job, But

1013
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: if you're an NFL coach, it is very easy to

1014
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: get an NFL job, I mean a college coaching job.

1015
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: So he wanted to make sure that he had his

1016
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: options open. And it's a great opportunity coaching with a

1017
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: great uh well, with the young and upcoming coach and

1018
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, who he believes in it and believe is

1019
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: going somewhere. So you know, it's an opportunity. So you

1020
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: may see him back again in college. It won't be

1021
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: for a little while, I I hope so, because he's

1022
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I feel like it's actually like,

1023
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: is good for the kids, goes about it the right way,

1024
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: understands the culture of college football, the goals that people have,

1025
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: and what it takes to get the most out of people. Um.

1026
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that college football is

1027
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: with with all the people who are just sort of

1028
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: in it to climb, you know, um, who who are

1029
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: in it to make it a career, and who really

1030
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: are most mostly advocating for themselves in their own self interest.

1031
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: He was still able to advance and at the same time,

1032
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, keep the job first and keep the kids first,

1033
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: and and I think that it's uh. I think he

1034
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: will be missed in the Pac twelve and missed in

1035
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: college football. And I think he's destined for for good

1036
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: things in the NFL, but potentially later in the future,

1037
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: great things at the college football level. But they replaced

1038
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: him with Marcel Yates, who was the defensive coordinator for

1039
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: University of Arizona the last few years, kind of the

1040
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: scapegoat for a lack of talent um he served under

1041
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: both Rich Rod and Kevin Sumlan. But this is a

1042
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: guy who had a lot of success at Boise States,

1043
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. Do you think he'll be able to

1044
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: get his mojo back at cal Mm hmm, I would

1045
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: assume so. I mean because there there's less responsibility, so

1046
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: it's easier to focus on one particular thing than having

1047
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: to have the global view of an entire know of

1048
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: an entire side of the ball. M So, I I

1049
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: hope so. I hope that that leads him to a

1050
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: better situation, you know what I mean, And is good

1051
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: for cow overall. Um. But Ralph, now it's time for basketball,

1052
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: because you know we are not only a football podcast.

1053
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: We are we covered the Pack twel basketball as well.

1054
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: And I wanted to start with a game that you

1055
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: know that it was You expected it to go one

1056
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: way and it didn't. But if it's basketball, so you

1057
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: can't really take too much from one loss. But the

1058
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Arizona losing to Arizona State felt extremely bad for Sean

1059
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: Miller and the state of Arizona basketball. Yeah, that was

1060
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: a weird one. They had a twenty two point leading

1061
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: the first half. There's absolutely no reason that game should

1062
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: have been close. And then uh, they you know, they

1063
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: they got this kid, Zeke naji Um, who was I

1064
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: think their third highest rated freshman coming in Um in

1065
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: last year's class, and he's definitely been the top performer.

1066
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: And there's a really good chance all three of those

1067
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: guys are going to be one and done first round picks,

1068
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: which makes their you know, the effort they've been putting

1069
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Speaker 1: in on the road that much more perplexing and frustrating.

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01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they won a road game this year.

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they have UM, but for them to

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Speaker 1: blow that game was just It goes back to this

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: thing that I've always wondered about Sean Miller's when he

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: has a big who maybe not a dominant big like

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01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: dominant in every situation, but a big that is dominating

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01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: in a situation, and especially against Arizona State, who really

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: just does not have the depth in the front court.

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01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: Get the ball to Zeke nag for the love of God,

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01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: and and Zeke Naji, I mean, he was basically their

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: entire offense after a su got back in the game

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01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: and in the end of the game, they didn't look

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: for him, and uh, and you know, they nick ominions

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: up kicking it out to Josh Green, who who dribbles

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: to the um free throw line, takes an absolutely horrid

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01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: shot and they end up Loues in sixty. And I'm

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01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of people that are just kind of

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01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: sick of having these conversations about whether Sean Miller is

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01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: able to maximize the talent that he gets um on

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01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: the court. But also you have to recognize that Sean

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: Miller pulls ridiculous talent to Tuson And so you know,

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Speaker 1: do you believe that, yes, that is the problem. It's

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Speaker 1: the problem, But sometimes the problem is also a revelatory

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: of a blessing, right, Like you know, like I had

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: a bad day today, but I woke up on planet

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Speaker 1: Earth and I'm living this blessed life and I'm taking

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: breath into my lungs and that allowed me to have

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01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: a bad day in the first place. Like Sean Miller

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: is not getting the most out of the incredible talent

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Speaker 1: he's bringing to Tucson, But the incredible talent is in Tucson, Arizona.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: So unless you have the belief that the school recruits itself,

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: you kind of have to dance with the devil, you know,

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01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: and just hope that Sean Miller figures it out. Yeah,

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: but they, I mean, and then't win a t They

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: didn't get uh Dion, they lost to but Buffalo with

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01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton h with you know, with Lori Mark. They

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: had Lori markin and they weren't feeding him the ball

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01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: and they ended up blowing it in the tournament. The

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: year before that, he didn't make the tournament last year.

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01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: This year they are in danger. They're currently a top

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01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: twenty five team. They might not be for long, but

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01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: after this week, who come out today? They won't And

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: so then they gotta go to Washington and again they're

1113
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: not winning road games right, and then Washington State has

1114
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: been a little bit better, and they gotta worry about

1115
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: playing them. As well. Uh, they gotta get a win.

1116
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: They gotta get two wins this weekend. They gotta get

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: this thing back on track. If they don't make the

1118
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: tournament this year, that'd be two years in a row

1119
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 1: for you. Of a maybe you've got to make a change.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people thought they were going to make

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01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: a change anyway, because you had one assistant dismissed for

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01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, Mark Phelps dismissed for whatever mystery thing he was,

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, over the line academic help

1124
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: or whatever he had going on. You had another assistant

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01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: go to jail, so you know, and and and he's

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01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: kind of escaped by the skin of his teeth on

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01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: all this and uh and he was kind of unfairly

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: crucified by a lot of elements of the media that

1129
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: didn't have the whole story or fabricated parts of it. Um.

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01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, you're only as

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: safe as as your record. Uh. And and I think

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01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: that that's that's definitely a big issue for him. I

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: watched that game, and I was just, uh, it was

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01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: unbelievable that they let a su back into it the

1135
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: way that they did. Yeah, that was pretty bad, bro.

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Speaker 1: Uh and I just don't know what more, like, what

1137
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: more can he like? How the rope has to end

1138
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: at some point because at the end of the day,

1139
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: fans are gonna become disgruntled. They want wins, They want

1140
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: to come out and see a good product on the field.

1141
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: They want to see their team, want to see their

1142
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: family want I mean that like, they want to see

1143
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: the school and be proud of it, not and win games.

1144
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: Not just win some of the games. They want to

1145
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: They expect to go to the tournament, make deep runs

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: every couple of years, and maybe win a championship once

1147
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: every decade. That that sounds pretty good. I think the

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: cream is rising to the top of the pack. Twelve though,

1149
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: um you know USC twenty point blowout win over Oregon

1150
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: State this week, Colorado with A with a four team

1151
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: point win over Washington, and Oregon finally actually you know,

1152
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: played up to their ability and and didn't play in

1153
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: a tight game at one point win over u c

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Speaker 1: l A. Those are the three teams at the top

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01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: of the conference, and those are probably the three teams

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01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: that really only deserve to be ranked right now. With

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Oregon being seventeen and four, six and two overall in

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: the conference, USC sixteen and four or five and two

1159
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: in the conference, and Colorado as well, and so you know,

1160
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: and and those three teams are are they don't none

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01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 1: of them play each other this week, I don't think,

1162
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: And so um, you could continue to see them sort

1163
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: of extend their lead over everybody else. And that's gonna

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,919
Speaker 1: make that's definitely gonna make these late season matchups really interesting,

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01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 1: especially um because you know, USC, I think is probably

1166
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise. Um, but if if Oregon is finally

1167
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: hitting on all cylinders and they're not just playing tight games,

1168
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: they finally didn't play a tight game against right, but

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Speaker 1: I think that they the game before that, uh was

1170
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: a double overtime went over USC, so they go and

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: the game before that, they were overtime against Washington. So

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01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still playing in these in these tight

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: games and getting wins or whatever. But it was nice

1174
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: to see them actually like in u c. L A

1175
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: is not a terrible team, but it was nice to

1176
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: see them actually play to their potential. Dropped nineties six

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01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: points in regulation of that game. Yeah, that's that's a

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: big win. Because the conference needs elite teams and truthfully,

1179
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: like you don't really need the team at the bottom

1180
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: to be all that good. You want their teams at

1181
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: the top to be elite. Yes, I want to know.

1182
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: I want to know how in the hell Oregon has

1183
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: gotten away with not having to be on PAC twelve network.

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01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: Uh recently because their win over Arizona back on January

1185
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: nine was on ESPN. Uh they beat a s U

1186
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: on PAC twelve network, so no one saw that. And

1187
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: then they lost to Washington State on FS one, beat

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 1: Oregon in overtime, or beat Washington and overtime on CBS,

1189
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: and then they played on ESPN. You in that double

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: overtime game, and then they were on Fox. They were

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: in regular Fox for their win where actually they were

1192
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be on Fox. They were not

1193
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: on Fox though. Oh here, dude, there, the game was

1194
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: not on television. It was all Kobe prempt Yeah. Yeah,

1195
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: but but you are right though they have been dominating.

1196
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why it's funny because I've noticed Oregon

1197
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: State fans in particular, they're like, oh, I've unfollowed the

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Speaker 1: FACT twelve network because all they because all they talk

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: about is Oregon. Um. Well, the truth is is that

1200
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: the conference consistently promote their best teams, and Oregon just

1201
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: so happens to be good and in the in the

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: sports that have been going on so far, you got

1203
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: football and then both basketball teams. Like you, it's unavoidable,

1204
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: get get get better if you want more airtime? What

1205
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: what what are you supposed to put you on to lose? Well? Hey, man,

1206
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: so you just brought up the fact that they didn't

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: televise that game because of Kobe Bryant. I mean, is

1208
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: that that's something we should probably get into right absolutely,

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