1 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field, wess A couple 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: more practices in the books since our last show, and 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the Packers now getting ready to head to Cleveland for 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: the preseason opener on Saturday afternoon afternoon preseason football. That's 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: much preferable to catch the fever from a work standpoint, Yeah, 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: no doubt. 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: And the fact that wonderful time to spend in Cleveland 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: and these three preseason games. It's kind of weird how 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: it worked out where there's the three to twenty five 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: in Cleveland or four to twenty five local right, then 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: the night game in Denver. Yeah, and then at the 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: end of this thing, the Packers are back at noon 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: at Lambofield, so they get a taste of each. 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: One of these things. I like that. 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I like that a lot. 19 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: And it's on the weekend. Yes, no Friday night games. 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no Fridays. No Friday preseason games this year. As 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: far as the last couple days of practice, A few 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: newsworthy items to point out, and then I'll turn it 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: over to you to see if you have anything to 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: elaborate or to add. Rookie first round pick Jordan Morgan 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: currently out of practice with a shoulder injury. Matt LeFleur said, 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: probably be about a week or so on that injury. 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't believe it's anything long term, doesn't believe it's going 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: to put Week one in jeopardy. If indeed Jordan Morgan 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: is going to be starting on this offensive line, certainly 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: opens up an opportunity for Sean Ryan, the third year pro, 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: former third round pick out of UCLA, who seem to 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: have fallen behind in terms of that competition at right 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: guard with Morgan, but now he is the guy who 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: is taking all the number one snaps at right guard 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: and a chance for him to reassert himself. Rookie third 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: round pick Tyron Hopper, the last couple of days we 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: have seen him taking some snaps with the number one 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: defense combination of things there. He's taken some snaps in 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the four to three base in place of Eric Wilson. 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: There's been a little bit of a rotation going on there. 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Certainly a spot that Wilson has held on too and 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: done a really impressive job so far in camp to 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: prevent anybody from taking that spot from him. But he's 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: also taken some of Kuay Walker's snaps with the number 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: one defense as Walker has gotten some rest and Edgar 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: and Cooper, the second round draft pick the rookie has 47 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: been injured sidelined with a hip injury and he is 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: not back in the lineup yet. And then last, but 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: not least a yet another third kicker has entered the 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: fray here in Green Bay. It's Alex Hale. He's been signed. 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: An undrafted rookie out of Oklahoma State, originally from Australia, 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: had his first day kicking in Packers practice on Wednesday, 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: went five of six on his field goal opportunities, was 54 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: five for five until he missed his very last one. 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: Those seemed to be the biggest news items from the 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: last couple of days of practice, unless you have anything 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: to add, No. 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: I think the just really quickly looking at the offensive 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: line scenario because we've talked so often about this and 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be really important for people to remember. Yeah, 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: Jordan Morgan, it stinks right now that he's not out 62 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: there but the amount of work he's gotten and then 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: Sewn Ryan, when you look between what he did at 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: guard and the snaps he was taking at center. The 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: Packers have really cross trained all these guys at this point. 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: And yes it was in the name of competition, but 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: if a shoulder injury happens in the regular season, then 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: it might be Sean Ryan in at that spot. It 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: might be some dominoes falling. And I think Sean proved 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: last year when he did the rotation with John running 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: in the second half of the season. 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: He is ready to take that jump. 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: I thought in a lot of ways, when you talked about, 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: you know, Jordan Morgan kind of settling into that right 75 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: guard spot, that was a testament to the film that 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: Morgan was putting together. That was a testament to how 77 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: he would settling into that position. I know the goal 78 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. A lot of these guys, 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: and he stated himself, they want to be left tackles 80 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: in the National Football League. They want to be that 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: guy that's like the quarterback of you know, in a 82 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: lot of ways, like, yeah, premier position of the offensive line. 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: But the Packers want to find their best starting five 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: and in this scenario. It was Morgan at right guard, 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: and the unfortunate thing about the timing of that shoulder 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: injury is I was watching him in one on ones. 87 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: He had a really tough assignment against Kenny Clark on 88 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: one of those past rush drills. He stood right up 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: to him, three time pro bowler, held his ground. The 90 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 2: next one Kenny beat him. But those are the learning 91 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: moments that you can have, and just being able to 92 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: get that type of work I think shows you how 93 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: far he's come in a very short period of time. 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: But with him not in the cards for Cleveland, with 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: him likely out for this next week, that means more 96 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: reps for Ryan, That means more reps for Royce Newman, 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: that whole guard group, especially once we get into this 98 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: game against the Browns, you know they're going to have 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: to be called upon. 100 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that brings up what I wanted to get 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to next to sort of the what to watch for, 103 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: what we'll be keeping an eye on in Cleveland from 104 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: the press box, things will be paying attention to with 105 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: regard to this first preseason game, And one of the 106 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: things that jumps out at me is just is the 107 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: backup situation at offensive tackle. The Packers have had you know, 108 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: Andre Dillard, Caleb Jones, Kadeem Telford, Luke Tanuda, although Tanuda 109 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: has also been playing some guard. You have Travis Glover, 110 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: the rookie six round pick out of Georgia State. A 111 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of guys here to sort out. There won't be 112 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: room for all of them on the roster, but nobody 113 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: has really emerged as sort of the front runner of 114 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: that that reserve tackle group, and I think the Packers 115 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: would like somebody to step forward and take that. 116 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: Now. 117 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Obviously, one option when you get into a game, if 118 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: something were to happen at tackle, I mean Zach tom 119 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: could flip over to left tackle, or Elton Jenkins could 120 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: bounce out there, maybe Jordan Morgan bounces out to tackle, 121 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: and then you know somebody comes in and takes their place. 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: That's always an option. But ideally, if something happens on 123 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: the offensive line, you have somebody ready to step into 124 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: that spot, so you don't have to play this musical 125 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: chairs right type of game. Now, if they have to 126 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: do that, because those are their best players, that's what 127 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: they're going to do. And we've seen Matt Lafleur, Adam Stenomich. 128 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: They don't hesitate to play that way when it's clearcut 129 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: who the best players are. But if somebody from that 130 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: backup tackle group can emerge as the guy who can 131 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: step in at offensive tackle if something happens and everybody 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: else can just stay in their place, that I think 133 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: would be the ideal scenario for the Packers. 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, Mike. And it's funny too on the 135 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: outside looking in. I think when you talk about the 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: keys of victory, the key matchups in this game against Cleveland, 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: what they do at tackle from the very beginning of 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: the game to the end of game is going to 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: be so interesting because Zach Tom's not going to play, 140 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: so somebody's gonna have to start right tackle, Zakadeam Telford. 141 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: We saw Caleb Jones getting first team reps this week. 142 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: Is it a guy like Andre Dillard who has done 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: this in the NFL for four years now but has 144 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: been more of a left side guy than a right 145 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: side guy throughout the course of his career. So a 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: lot of things they have to go through. But when 147 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: I was watching practice earlier this week, I'm sitting there 148 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: looking at the team periods and just the size of 149 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: these guys. You know, when you had Caleb Jones on 150 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: the left side and Condeemed Telford on the right side. 151 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: Luke Tanuda, as you mentioned, at right guard getting some work. 152 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: This guy's six 's eight, six ' seven. I mean, 153 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: these are different types of bodies. When you look at 154 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: the offensive line position. There was a time when the 155 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: Brendan Curtains of the world really caught your eye because 156 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: it was six to nine. You don't see anybody like this, 157 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: and now, at least in the last five years, we 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: saw Jared Valdier at six seven six eight. I mean, 159 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: like that's just the way this position is played in 160 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: a lot of realms. So it's going to be so 161 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: critical and blocking for Sean Clifford and the number two 162 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: offense I think is going to be essential. That's be 163 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: one area where the Packers are going to be looking 164 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: for production. I would imagine you're going to see some 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: Marshawn Lloyd in that capacity. I would imagine you're to 166 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: see that the young receiver battle continue in those second 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: team reps, which could take you know, half the game 168 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: depending on how this all works out. 169 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you're talking about guys like Malie Heath 170 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: and Grant Dubo's and and Bo Melton or whoever you know, 171 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: whoever's going to get opportunities. This is this is that 172 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: step up from practice to to make a statement, to 173 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: get recognized, to give yourself something to build on for 174 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: the rest of training camp as you're fighting for that 175 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: roster spot and fighting for playing time. 176 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: And it all. 177 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: Starts on the offensive line. It all starts with protecting 178 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: your quarterback. And we've seen it on both sides of things. 179 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: When when these young quarterbacks have time to work within 180 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: the preseason, what they can do to cut up a 181 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: defense and conversely, if they don't, how quickly that can 182 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: sort of unravel everything. So it'll be interesting to watch. 183 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the other thing I'm going to be definitely keeping 184 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: an eye on, and again it with three preseason games 185 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: here and so many young players, I don't know if 186 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: anything is necessarily going to be one or lost in 187 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: Kallee Eveland on Saturday afternoon. But what we've seen at 188 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: the safety position, this is the next step in the 189 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: competition right now. Based on the way the reps have 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: been divided up in practice at least of late, it 191 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: would seem that Javon Bullard is ahead. But we saw 192 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: Evan Williams make another athletic, really really impressive interception of 193 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: Jordan Love, the number one offense in the two minute drill. 194 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: In practice on Wednesday, Williams gets another interception. Anthony Johnson 195 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,479 Speaker 1: Junior is getting his still continues to get his opportunities, 196 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: and the coaches seem pretty comfortable with him back there 197 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: as well. This I don't know how much Xavier McKinney 198 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: necessarily is going to play in this game. If the 199 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: starters play, you know, maybe they're in there for a 200 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: short period, but the bulk of the work at safety 201 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: is going to be these young guys who are battling 202 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: for that starting spot next to McKinney. And it'll be 203 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: really interesting to see with all all these guys having 204 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: made plays in practice, who can go out and make 205 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: a play in a game. 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: And there's a pretty good chance that in the nickel 207 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: will see all three of them. 208 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, with Bullard having the capabilities of moving 209 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: down to the slot, it's it's unlike anything I've seen. 210 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: I wrote about an insider inbox. I know you and 211 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: I have discussed it a lot. I mean, for as 212 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: much as you go back to twenty fourteen when the 213 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: Packers drafted haw Clinton Dix and they moved Micah high 214 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: to safety in how deep they made a position that 215 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: was a weakness in the span of, you. 216 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: Know, one year. This is just incredible the way that 217 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: you drafted three rookie safeties. 218 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: Katan Ola Dappo just because of injuries still hasn't been 219 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: able to really get involved in that yet, but Packers 220 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: are credibly high on him as well. 221 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ola Dappo has worked his way into team reps. 222 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: He is doing eleven on eleven now after all of 223 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: his time off. Will see what amount of playing time 224 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: he may get on Saturday in Cleveland as well. 225 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: But with these these three young safeties, they're all involved 226 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: with this every single time. Like, you're right about Bullard, 227 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: He's made some incredible plays. I thought he was really 228 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: good on Family Night. 229 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: I thought so too. 230 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: But as soon as I'm like, okay, so Bullard'll probably 231 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: be the guy, then Evan Williams goes and makes a 232 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty interception in the end zone against Christian 233 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: Watson off of Jordan. 234 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: Love and a red zone period. 235 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Johnson Junior has been incredibly consistent and has 236 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: made some plays this camp. It is what you want 237 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: to see. I mean, all these guys are going to 238 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: be on the active roster. You're going to need that versatility, 239 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: much like the offensive line. But it's it's a great 240 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: position for the Packers to be and it's just funny 241 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: considering how much and how far they needed to come 242 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: in the last six months at that position and here 243 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: we are. 244 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else you'll be looking for Saturday afternoon? 245 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: What where will you? 246 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: Where? Will your eyes be trained? 247 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: Well to two things? 248 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: One if I can go back to the inside linebackers 249 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: for a minute, because it's not just about who's going 250 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: to be out there, it's going to be who's the mic? 251 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: You know, is Tyrone Hopper going to get an opportunity 252 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: at that? I'm wondering watching him in practices this week 253 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 2: if that was one thing they're sort of prepping him for. 254 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm guessing we'll see a lot of Eric Wilson because 255 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: he is sort of the general back there. I think 256 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: he is one of those guys that has been there, 257 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: done that. He's a preseason competitor, a former undrafted free 258 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: agent that I think also can help keep the troops 259 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: together in the second and third team units if they 260 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: need it, but that competition is another one, Michael, where 261 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: Edrin Cooper unfortunately out right now with the hip injury. 262 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: But this is a huge opportunity for Tyron Hopper who 263 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: for a few weeks there because of just the way 264 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: the rotations go in the fact that you know, Christian 265 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: Welch is also in this was the other veteran the 266 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: Packers re signed it inside linebacker. This offseason, we didn't 267 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: get a chance to see a lot of Hopper, whether 268 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: it be in the off season program or these first 269 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: two weeks of training camp. So seeing how that young man, 270 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: I was super impressed by him, watching just his you know, 271 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: some of the double a gap stuff that they were 272 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: testing with a little bit in practice and seeing the 273 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: explosiveness and how quickly he can collapse to the ball carrier. 274 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: A lot to learn yet for him, but. 275 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: You could see those blitz tendencies that he could potentially 276 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: be used for and what sort of made him the 277 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: you know linebacker that he was at Massoo. And then 278 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: to wrap it all around Sean Clifford with this offense, 279 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: seeing how he handles this whole thing. That's where really 280 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: last year he separated himself and yes, he made mistakes. 281 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: But even when he had that one interception against Cincinnati, 282 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: came right back let him down the field against So 283 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: this is a time where whether it be quarterback, play linebackers, receivers, safeties. 284 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: We've seen these guys Mike in one capacity or another 285 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: in practice for the last three four months. Now, how 286 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: does it translate when you're actually up against an opponent. Well, yeah, 287 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: Jordan Love's going to play, some of the starters are 288 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: going to play. We'll see how long they play. But 289 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's about what the 290 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: rest of those ten eleven drives look like. And then 291 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: a lot of it's going to be Shonan Clifford and 292 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: some Michael Pratt. 293 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing that can't be discounted 294 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: here when we're talking about the linebackers and you mentioned 295 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd at running back, you know, him getting his opportunity. 296 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: I think I think Packers fans are interested to see 297 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson get back in action at running back as 298 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: well after what he showed as a rookie. But then 299 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, dealing with uh with injuries later on in 300 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: his rookie season. But when it comes to looking at 301 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: these linebackers and the running backs, there's finally gonna be 302 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: some tackling, you know, you find you really get to 303 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: see what do these guys bring to the table. We 304 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: had the one live tackling period toward the end of 305 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: the Family Night practice and I thought Tyron Hopper made 306 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: a heck of a play near the goal line there. 307 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Now that was just the number three units, it was. 308 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: It was all kinds of young guys out there. But 309 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: it's a play like that that that gets a young 310 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: guy more opportunities. And I think, I think what we've 311 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: seen and where Hopper has been, you know, worked into 312 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: the mix this week. I don't think it's an accident 313 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: that it comes after he makes a play like he 314 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: did at the goal line, the hit that he made, 315 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: He stands up the running back after a short reception, 316 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: pushes him back from the one two yard line, make 317 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: sure that he doesn't get in the end zone. Those 318 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: are the things you get to see on a play 319 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: by play basis in the preseason because it's live, because 320 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: it's the because there's tackling out there, and a guy 321 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: like Marshaun Lloyd or Emmanuel Wilson gets a chance to 322 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: show the you know, the make a miss capability, the 323 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, the moves in the hole to try to 324 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: avoid getting tackled. Those kinds of things become a bigger 325 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: part of the evaluation process in these preseason games for 326 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: those positions in particular than some of the other ones. 327 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: It's funny too, and you're a little you got a 328 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: few more IQ points than I do. 329 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: You have a master's degree. I only have a bachelor's. 330 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: But listening to Matt Lafleur talk this week about that 331 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: live tackling period on Family Night, I because it's just like, well, 332 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: they're going to go live tackling, you'll just throw out 333 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: some of the guys near the bottom of the roster's room. 334 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: And he actually brought up he mentioned how it's like 335 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: they wanted there was certain guys they wanted to see 336 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: get work. 337 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was very intentional. 338 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: It was very intentional, and some of it is going 339 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, some of the guys, these younger the 340 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: guys that the Waynes of the world, some of these 341 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: young guys that came in late, they're probably not going 342 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: to play in a lot in the preseason, so you 343 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: want to give them that period. But it also gives 344 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: a guy like Iron Hoppers some snaps. It gives him 345 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: a chance to be out there and show what he 346 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: can do. You know, even you know, look at like 347 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: the Jonathan Fords of the world. You know, these defensive 348 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: tackles and these guys that are are pretty well credentialed 349 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: and I think are making bids for roster spots, but 350 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: just be at the depth of their position, maybe not 351 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: getting all those reps in practice. So again, I'm super 352 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: excited for it. I we can go off on a 353 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: different tangent about this, I'll avoid it, but I love 354 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: the preseason. I've always loved the preseason. I think there's 355 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: things you learn in those preseason games that you don't 356 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: see anywhere else because everybody always talks about, well it's 357 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: vanilla and it's predictable. But to me, it kind of 358 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of the AAU basketball circuit, 359 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: where you go out there and you see what guys 360 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: can do and who's gonna make plays and who gets noticed. 361 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: That's how Allen Lazar got noticed back in twenty nineteen. 362 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: That's how these guys differentiate themselves sometimes. Who shines in 363 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: those moments. 364 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a it's a whole different evaluation process 365 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: and an evaluation tool for the coaches, the personnel apartment, 366 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: because what a lot of people don't understand is is 367 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: in training camp, in these practices, the eleven on eleven, 368 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: that's what we watch, that's what we report on. It's 369 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: where all the action is. But a lot of those periods, 370 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot of those periods 371 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: are essentially scripted. Yes, where both on the offensive and 372 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: the defensive side, those guys know what play calls are 373 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: coming in the sequence that they're coming in. If they've 374 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: done their homework the night before, they know how to 375 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: get ready to execute those calls. I'm not saying that 376 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: the defense knows what the offense is running. I'm saying separately, 377 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: they know they individually know with their units what the 378 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: call is going to be, and the coaches have matched 379 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: up certain play calls against this or that, And that's 380 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: how a lot of training camp practices are run. In 381 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: the preseason games, it's call it everything is happening live, 382 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, nothing is like scripted ahead of time. 383 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: So you find out more about these young players in 384 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: in terms of how do how do they react? Can 385 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: they you know this call that might come in. They 386 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: might not have practiced it for four or five days 387 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: in training camp. Now they have to go out and 388 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: execute it. And I mean that both on the offensive 389 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: and the defensive side of the ball, so it cranks 390 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: things up a notch. It's not just getting ready to 391 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: play regular season games. It's also finding out with these 392 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: young players who can take the step forward and show 393 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: that they're ready to play in the regular season if 394 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: they're needed. 395 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: And to bring it all full circle. That's why the 396 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: starters are playing in this game. That's why Matt Lafleur 397 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: said he wants to have Jordan Love out there. He 398 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: liked what he saw last year from that group. He 399 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: felt like that helped them get off to a faster 400 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: start last season and his words, knock the rust off. 401 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: Love played fifty seven offensive snaps during those three preseason games. 402 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: He had one hundred and nine pass rating through for 403 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: three touchdowns. One of the big reasons why I think 404 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: there was a big push behind him during the regular 405 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: season was because of how well he performed in that 406 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: setting and even if the numbers weren't there the year 407 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: before that. Lafleur also said that's where they learned a 408 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: lot about him and how his ability where he was 409 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 2: at to handle the offense in that development. So yeah, 410 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: I'm excited for it. I think it's gonna be a 411 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: fun night and are fun afternoon. Excuse me, and we'll 412 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: see exactly what the packers have here. 413 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll take care a little bit of sponsor 414 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: business here. 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Lots of stuff gets decided on special teams 422 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: in preseason games in terms of the depth chart, in 423 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: terms of you know, in the whole body of work, 424 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: when you get through all the preseason games, the guys 425 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: who show that they can help you in that phase, 426 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: they end up getting roster spots. When this is all 427 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: said and done, obviously, the kicking competition will continue. Greg 428 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: Joseph Anders Carlson now Alex Hale in the mix. We'll 429 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: see how those reps in the games themselves get divided up. 430 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: But we're gonna get a look at this new kickoff thing, Wes. 431 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: It's gonna be live, it's gonna be real. I don't 432 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: know if it's honestly gonna be all that exciting. Based 433 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: on the early returns from the Hall of Fame game 434 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: in Canton, somewhat mixed reviews as to as to just 435 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: you know what this means, But the NFL is making 436 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: an effort to keep the kickoff in the game, but 437 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: in a way that it does not have the injury 438 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: rate that the kickoff has had for a number of 439 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: years in this league. So we'll see what happens. 440 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: When you originally were gonna say it's live, it's real, 441 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: I was hoping you're gonna say, we'll find out whether 442 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: it's spectacular, I'm not sure. Hey listen. So my tone 443 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: on kickoff return changed in twenty thirteen because at first, 444 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: when I was younger, I was like, what are we 445 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: doing trying to like the kickoff? 446 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: That's a great play. Why mess with it? 447 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: Well, then I watched what happened to Jonathan Franklin and 448 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: a guy that looked like a promising young running back. 449 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: It ends on a kickoff return for him. Fortunately, he's 450 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: gone on has had a good life and been able 451 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: to be very successful away from football, but that was 452 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: the end of his football career. After that, I've always 453 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: been on board with whatever the league wants to do. Yes, 454 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: twelve touchbacks in the Super Bowl is not the most 455 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: exciting thing in the world, But considering what that play 456 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: is and the people that are involved with that play, 457 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: there's a reason why Michael, you and I will constantly 458 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: ask the questions, and the media will ask the questions, Well, 459 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: is Jaden Reid still going to handle punt returns? Is 460 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: Randall Cobb gonna come off kickoff returns? Because it is 461 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: an inherently more dangerous play. 462 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: So will this be exciting? I don't know. 463 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: I've watched some of the preseason action. I've seen the 464 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: practices of the Packers have had. The one thing to 465 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: me that looks very I don't want to say blase, 466 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: but that's the only thing that's coming to mind is 467 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: if the coverage player beats the blocker, it pretty much 468 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: defeats the play. 469 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: From what I've seen, Yeah, it just. 470 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: Doesn't seem like the kickoff returner has enough juice to 471 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: get going well. 472 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: And there's almost there's no recovery time for anybody else 473 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: because the setup zone has has the coverage guys and 474 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 1: the blockers just five yards apart, and so if one 475 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: guy beats his guy there, there isn't anybody else to, 476 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, to sort of move over and try to 477 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: make up make up the lost ground or however you 478 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: want to phrase it. So I agree with you. I 479 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: think I think that's what we're going to see. And 480 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: and you know, hey, if if guys continue to get 481 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: to get tackled on kickoffs at the twenty or the 482 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty five, then we're probably going to going to continue 483 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: to see some version of this play. If returners are 484 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: steadily getting the ball out to say the thirty five 485 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: or the forty yard line, and the kicking team's option 486 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: is to kick a touchback to put it on the thirty, 487 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: then they're going to start doing that, and then the 488 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: NFL is probably gonna have to tweak the rules again 489 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: to try to try to generate, you know, some some 490 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: level of an actual return into the game. So this 491 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: is going to be an evolving process. I thought Rich 492 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: Bisaccia really said it best the one time we've spoken 493 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: him during training camp, in which he said, the rules 494 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: are going to continue to be tweaked as this thing 495 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: goes along. We might get through these three preseason games, 496 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: and then there's that two week gap before the regular 497 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: season starts. There could be a whole other set of 498 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: rules or adjustments to the rules before we get to 499 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: the regular season with this, because the NFL is going 500 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: to study everything that goes on in these preseason games 501 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: and try to come up with the best solution. 502 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: At least for now, I think we'll see what happens. 503 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: To me, I'm kind of prepared for three yards and 504 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: a cloud of dust. 505 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 3: Again. It could be a lot more exciting to that. 506 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: I will say this, If there was a team in 507 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 2: the National Football League that I think could really do 508 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: something cool with this, it's the Green Bit Packers and 509 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: Keishawn Dixon. 510 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Nixon. 511 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: That's what I think makes it potentially exciting, yes for 512 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: the Packers, because the back to back first team All 513 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Pro returner in the NFL is on this team. 514 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: He's exciting, he's fearless, and you can tell he is 515 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: really relishing the opportunity to touch the football more. It 516 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: was frustrating last year. You saw it, I mean the Packers. 517 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: I think I did that steat at the end of 518 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: last season. I think Keishaw Nixon had like six percent 519 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: of the kickoff returns in the NFL last year. It 520 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: was wild, just that at the times they took it 521 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: out in contrast to everyone else. But the guy wants 522 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: to make something happen. Hopefully this is the play he 523 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: can do something with. 524 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, with that, we will call it 525 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: a rap on this edition of Packers Unscript. To be 526 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage, continuing coverage of 527 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: training camp and everything from Saturday's pre season opener in Cleveland. 528 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: We will have it all for you on Packers dot 529 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: com for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning 530 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: in everybody. We will see you next time.