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Speaker 1: bracing for a Diddy Hollywood style closing argument, and Diddy,

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Speaker 1: He's ordering up a sex worker like he's ordering a

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Speaker 2: Cheapness is the reason why the FETs have this little

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Speaker 1: We've gotten our hands on a letter from the US

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice where the state is now streamlining charges.

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Speaker 1: I think I know what they're up to. All charges

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Speaker 1: are still being prosecuted, sex trafficking, RICO, transporting prostitutes to

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Speaker 1: engage in illegal sex acts. The three original charges remain.

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Speaker 1: This as a state is streamlining how they're going to

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Speaker 1: prove those charges as they weighed into closing arguments. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: We are headed into a verdict watch here at Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: And joining us just outside the courthouse is investigative commentator

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Speaker 1: Tisa Tails. She's the star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tisa. First of all,

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Speaker 1: did he sucks up to the judge? What did he say?

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Speaker 2: Did he look like he was trying to stop be

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Speaker 2: an extra.

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Speaker 3: In the Green Mile.

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Speaker 2: We've been watching this man's physicality all for.

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Speaker 3: The last six weeks. We know the way he talks,

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Speaker 3: we know the way he cocks his head. Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 2: Looks when he's aroused, and we also know what he

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Speaker 3: He's sat up there when he had to tell the

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not going to testify it, okay, And honestly,

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Speaker 3: See it to believe it.

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Speaker 4: He hopped up, had his arms at the side, acted

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Speaker 3: In the Green Mile and said hello, Hi, your honor,

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Speaker 3: and he's like, Hi, do you understand what's being sent

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Speaker 3: to you? Yes? I do, And the judge tried to

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Speaker 1: Minute taste of Tails, Taste of Tails, Taste of Tales.

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Speaker 1: Hold on. For some reason, you are completely covered with

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Speaker 1: photos of Seawan combs laid up on the red carpet. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to see Tasa tails and I want to

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Speaker 1: I saw nothing. Okay, start over, let me see the

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Speaker 4: So did he jumps up right, because for some reason

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Speaker 2: The jet says Hi, I just want to make sure

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Speaker 1: Using that to testify.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, how are you doing your honor?

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Speaker 2: I do, And may I just say you're doing an

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Speaker 2: excellent job.

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Speaker 3: Then Judge looked at him like, Okay, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: It was sech an awesome display of arrogance, and it

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Speaker 3: And he still thought that he was putting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for that buddy again. It was arrogance in

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Speaker 6: Doesn't know where he is, and you know, a big

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Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, Wait a minute. There was that

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Speaker 1: Shooter is joining me, star of Naughty but Nice podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's at robshooter dot substat dot com. I just read

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Speaker 1: Combs no longer. Can you just see this playing out

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Speaker 1: a hate shooter. I don't know if you remember my

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Speaker 1: I never agreed with the thing he said, but I

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Speaker 1: and go, your honor, you're looking very well today, your Honor,

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Speaker 1: It actually worked. Did it work this time? And have

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Speaker 7: I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the charm.

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Speaker 7: Puff that I saw was charming. He was funny, he

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Speaker 7: It's a shocking thing in celebrity Nancy, but a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Wait, you know what Sorry, shooter, but I'm not in

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Speaker 1: When did Sean Combs ever put on the humble act?

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Speaker 1: Because I see him wearing his capes and his dough

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Speaker 1: I've never seen the humble like. Please enlighten me.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you're not in those rooms. When he wanted

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Speaker 7: It was not above him to turn up with goodies,

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Speaker 7: and it often works. I know we all like to

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Speaker 7: in my experience, we can't. Puffy can be charming. He

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Speaker 1: You had me at bait goods. Okay, can I hear

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Speaker 1: about that? Are you listening to this tist of tales?

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about the bait goods.

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Speaker 7: Huff would often send baskets of muffins of bait goods

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Speaker 7: as he would turn up at their charity events. He

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Speaker 1: You know what robs here the encyclopedia. It's amazing. I

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Speaker 1: We don't use scripts, we don't have prepared questions. It

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Speaker 3: Okay, it did not work at all. Actually we had

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Speaker 2: Don't know how did he was not humiliated. Judge Aaron's

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Speaker 3: Doing an excellent I think I think you're doing an excellent.

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Speaker 1: Job, your honor.

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Speaker 2: What did he expect to happen while he's standing there

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Speaker 3: And he kept on moving after that. He kept saying, yes,

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Speaker 2: I think I do.

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Speaker 2: He tried to reduce himself to the mental capacity of

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Speaker 3: I hear what Rober they're saying. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: I think this might be the limit of his star power.

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Speaker 6: I think something about being in a federal corp room

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Speaker 2: I don't think that little humble, gracious did he act

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Speaker 1: Philip D. Bay joining me, veteran trial lawyer out of

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Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction. Well, let's both take off our prosecutorial

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Speaker 1: state did a very wise thing. Okay, charges the three

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Speaker 1: the criminal enterprise. Do you agree so far? Yes? No? Yes, Okay.

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Speaker 1: What the state has done they have jettisoned some of

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: smart thing, the kid Cutty claim. It's very obvious that

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Speaker 1: On Capricorn Clark the kidnap, where she says he held

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Speaker 1: Would really seriously a jury instruction on that. If I

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Speaker 1: from outside the courthouse, Tisa, I want to hear also

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Speaker 1: It's called elocution. Was the jury there when he said

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Speaker 2: The jury unfortunately missed his with three mile two performance.

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Speaker 3: The only people in the room or his adoring public.

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Speaker 2: In his mind, the judge who's his number one fin

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Speaker 3: So thankfully the jury was spared seeing that performance.

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Speaker 1: He wants free clothing, free tickets to Fashion Week, free everything,

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Speaker 1: that ain't Qubi Zarconia trying to cut a deal. It's

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Speaker 1: like trying to bargain with a hooker. Excuse me, sex

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we spoke about it on your show before anybody did.

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Speaker 5: Did.

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Speaker 7: He was incredibly cheap. He didn't want to pay for anything.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not at aol surprise here. But he's even

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Speaker 7: This is who he is. He ain't going to change.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Investigator and commentator, Tisa, you've

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Speaker 1: been in the courtroom. I want to hear about the

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Speaker 1: Google the Eyes Part two.

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Speaker 2: As the defense was putting on their ten minute case

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Speaker 3: Act like he was looking at what's Moorland.

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Speaker 9: But he was looking over with this puppy dog slash

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. The jury has completely changed from

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Speaker 2: They were not making eye contact with them at all,

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Speaker 3: Jura six leaving life in the best moment. It had

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Speaker 3: a chilling effect on the jury. But the second thing

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Speaker 2: Eyes really hit, is they're trying to ignore the pound

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Speaker 2: the defenses we rest our case. Half of the jury

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Speaker 2: had their eyes glazed over from reading their text messages.

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Speaker 6: The other half had a look of shock, and it

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Speaker 2: The jury was absolutely shocked, and it was a nice

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Speaker 3: Whether they did the right not having any witnesses on

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to first of all, I

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Speaker 1: I need to analyze it. I want you to act

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Speaker 1: out the google the eyes. When were the google the eyes?

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Speaker 1: And I'm very concerned that first the jurors won't look

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Speaker 1: bad for the state. For them to be making a

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Speaker 1: unless it's a disgusted look. So first of all, tell

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Speaker 1: me about the google the eyes and please act it out.

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Speaker 3: The google the eyes. He sat there. He did that again.

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Speaker 6: He's acting the green mile too, softened his shoulders, almost

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Speaker 3: Looked up. Ward's looking at his defensive attorney, saying, mommy,

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Speaker 6: What's going on is you are the devil and you're

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Speaker 2: He looked over at the jury, kind of wanted to

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Speaker 2: It happened to be at a sharp right right by

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Speaker 3: We're just sitting there looking over looking confused, as if

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Speaker 3: he wasn't the reason and we just didn't have to

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Speaker 6: For it literally combined over the last week, it was

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Speaker 3: And now he's sitting there in that yellow sweater just

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Speaker 2: But again I will say one thing, that man has

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Speaker 2: he did it. Again, the jury was not looking at him.

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Speaker 2: They were looking straight. They were some jurys were looking

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Speaker 2: people were looking at Esteban. I think she was standing

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Speaker 2: When they said the defense rest jury faces the people

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Speaker 1: I got to addressed the good the eyes first, then

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the jars going what okay,

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Speaker 1: when did the google the eyes happen? When did that happen?

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Speaker 3: The googly eyes happened? As they stood.

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Speaker 2: Up and mounted their ten minute defense, when they started

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Speaker 2: They started reading random text messages.

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Speaker 3: You know, and everybody thought it was his business as usual.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you saw his shoulders slump.

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Speaker 6: He saw him start to look over at his defense team, who,

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Speaker 3: So you're looking the wrong way, sir.

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Speaker 6: What's just the first indication that here we go and

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: He slumped, He looked over, he looked over, he looked confused,

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Speaker 1: Shooter, I told you this was going to happen when

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Speaker 1: the jury. I mean, really, this is the guy I

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Speaker 1: fat lip, the eye, plastic surgery, the bruises. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what control? Can you pull up? That picture's way

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Speaker 7: I think he's making a really smart move, Nancy, and

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Speaker 7: to remember celebrities really really powerful. Maybe not to the experts,

437
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Speaker 7: the people that we speak to for people on a jury.

438
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Speaker 7: People in the world go nuts for celebrities. I've worked

439
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 7: for a lot of celebrities, but not even that talented.

440
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Speaker 7: But they're stars. They know how to get us to

441
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Speaker 7: buy what they're selling. And that's what Diddy is doing today.

442
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 7: He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.

443
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Speaker 7: He is out there promoting it, and I predict Nancy,

444
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Speaker 7: it's going to work.

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Speaker 1: You know what I is an uplifting note from rab Shooter. Okay,

446
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Speaker 1: back to Teasa tails Tisa, you told me about the

447
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Speaker 1: google the eyes. Now I want to hear when did

448
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Speaker 1: the jury start making eye contact and what kind of

449
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: eye contact. Is it discussed eye contact or is it, oh, no,

450
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Speaker 1: you're not going to jail comes contact.

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Speaker 3: So the out contact was like, wait, did we just

452
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Speaker 3: hear that? And the jury's defense they weren't even though

453
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Speaker 3: Diddy was trying to make that connection. The moment was this,

454
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Speaker 3: when Ditty was doing the googly eyes, the jury was

455
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Speaker 3: looking left, right, up down.

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Speaker 2: They were determined not to give any type of eye

457
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Speaker 2: contact or even acknowledge. Then all of a sudden, after

458
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Speaker 2: seven minutes of boring text messages, which for the last

459
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Speaker 2: three days has been business as usual, they finally said

460
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Speaker 2: the defense rests the people that have been the jurors

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Speaker 2: that have been paying attention.

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Speaker 6: Was like what And they looked over very surprised, like

463
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Speaker 6: what did we hear?

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Speaker 3: Right?

465
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Speaker 2: And they looked over in Diddy's direction and to his

466
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Speaker 2: defensing direction. And then seven to ten seconds later, the

467
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Speaker 2: other jurors and I guess it had been, you know,

468
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Speaker 2: going over their grocery lists in their mind, were all

469
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Speaker 2: of a sudden in real life that something had happened,

470
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Speaker 2: and they were looking over.

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Speaker 6: Everybody was looking over at the defense table in like

472
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Speaker 6: very much either shock or we couldn't have heard this

473
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Speaker 6: break wasn't until the judge said, okay, well thanks.

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Speaker 4: So much, we'll see you tomorrow that they literally got

475
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Speaker 4: up and just very still didn't believe what was happening,

476
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: walked out of the room, very very confused, and in

477
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Speaker 4: that moment, I can't just help a chuckle to myself

478
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: and wonder did the defense regret at that moment or

479
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Speaker 4: at least rethink maybe.

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Speaker 3: We should have put on a few witnesses and maybe

481
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Speaker 3: this isn't going to play out the way they thought

482
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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 1: Sean comes with a rolex on I think that's what

484
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Speaker 1: that is. I don't think it's a fake in the

485
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Speaker 1: backseat of a luxury suv wearing diamond earrings and a

486
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Speaker 1: dope rope.

487
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Speaker 5: This man knows what top shelf quality is.

488
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Speaker 3: He's showing off his orthodontics too.

489
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he just opens his mouth ever so

490
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Speaker 1: slightly so you can see all those beautiful veneers, the

491
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: defense rest and the jury looking confused and perplexed when

492
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Speaker 1: that was announced in open court. This, as we learned

493
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Speaker 1: the state is stream lining its case. In order to rico,

494
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Speaker 1: you have to have underlying felon these predicate acts. The

495
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: state is no longer trying to go forward on ourson.

496
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: They're no longer trying to use kidnapping. They think the

497
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: evidence was weak on those two and they're right, Am

498
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Speaker 1: I convinced, Yeah, I think you did it, but it

499
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: was weak. So they're throwing it overboard with me an

500
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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we're learning now.

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00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us and renowned

502
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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of

503
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Speaker 1: Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us.

504
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: I've got to hear your take on Sean Combe's homemade

505
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Speaker 1: muffins and google the eyes in front of the jury. Yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: I know, Nancy, it's unbelievable, right.

507
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 10: I was thinking about what you shared earlier about how

508
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 10: Johnny Cochrane would you walk in and maybe compliment the

509
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 10: judge similar to the that Shawn Combs did, and it

510
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 10: worked for Johnny Cochrane. However, of course, the big difference

511
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 10: is that Johnny Cochrane wasn't entering the courtroom as an

512
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 10: accused criminal. And I thought it was a great example

513
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 10: of Diddy Combes's just grandiosity there that even in that moment,

514
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 10: he thought he could charm the judge. Now, abusers are

515
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 10: often very good at pouring on the charm and about

516
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 10: the googly eyes and whatnot. You know, when an abuser

517
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 10: has done something wrong, he's usually very good at, you know,

518
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 10: putting his tail between his legs and acting so sorry.

519
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 10: And that's probably worked very well for Shaan Combs in

520
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 10: the past. But the fact that he would attempt that again,

521
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 10: even complimenting the judge, that he wouldn't realize that that's

522
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 10: an off note. I think it really suggests that there's

523
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 10: a level of desperation there that he's feeling. Because we're

524
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Speaker 10: I think we're looking at someone that's really an extreme narcissist.

525
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 10: I mean, even as you mentioned earlier that he was

526
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 10: trying to haggle about the price the sex workers and

527
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 10: things like that, I think that there's an element of

528
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 10: grandiosity where he probably frankly in his mind, thought that

529
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 10: they should be paying to be in his presence for

530
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 10: that type of interaction. Believe it or not, I think

531
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Speaker 10: we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the

532
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 10: narcissism here.

533
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Speaker 1: Also joining us in addition to doctor Chloe Carmichael is

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Speaker 1: Danny Pinter joining us out of DC. She is a

535
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Speaker 1: senior VP and director of the Law Center at the

536
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Speaker 1: National Center for on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank you for

537
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: being with us. I was forcing tastes of tales to

538
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Speaker 1: act out what she saw in court. There are no

539
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: cameras in federal courtrooms, and I can just see Sean

540
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Colmes making the puppy dog eyes, the Google de eyes

541
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: at the jury, acting all confused, like where am I?

542
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: How did I get here? Will it be hard for

543
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: jurors to reconcile what they're seeing in the courtroom with

544
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: the Cassie Ventura beat down tape? Thank Heaven that tape survived,

545
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: and it almost didn't, or no one would believe it

546
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: if they bought into Combs's Oscar winning performance in the courtroom.

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: Exactly, Nancy.

548
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Speaker 11: This is going to be the litmus test of will

549
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 11: to jury understand what sex trafficking is under the law

550
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 11: as opposed to the Hollywood definition.

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Speaker 3: That's the hallmark of this case.

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Speaker 11: I mean by the defensive lack of putting on a

553
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 11: case at all, it says to me that this isn't

554
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 11: even a.

555
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: Trial of did did he do it? It's just a

556
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: trial of was it a crime? Will he be held accountable?

557
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: Well, what do you make the duality of his persona

558
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: in court versus what we know to be true? We

559
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: saw what we're going to believe him or our lion

560
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: eyes on that front on the Intercontinental Beatdown video.

561
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Speaker 11: Well, I hope his behavior in the courtroom actually is

562
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 11: helpful in the execution's case because their case is a

563
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 11: case of violence together with these close personal relationships, right

564
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 11: and the whole defense was reading text messages of Ditty

565
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 11: and the women being lovey dove do each other. But

566
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 11: then we saw with our own eyes how violent and

567
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 11: scary he can be. So I hope that the jury

568
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 11: is now having to contend that with themselves.

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Speaker 3: Like we saw. We see Combs.

570
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 11: Trying to manipulate us right now, but we saw how

571
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Speaker 11: violent he could be with our own eyes.

572
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Speaker 1: Also joining us at the courthouse is Lauren Colin star

573
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Speaker 1: a Pop Crime TV. Lauren, Thank you for being with us.

574
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Speaker 1: I understand that bribery was brought up. The defense demanded

575
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Speaker 1: summary judgment, which is that that can't be thrown out

576
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: in front of the judge. The judge didn't go along

577
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Speaker 1: with it. Tell me about their argument regarding bribery.

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Speaker 12: In terms of the bribery, they stated that nobody or

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Speaker 12: the witnesses the test of about the bribery. This didn't

580
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 12: meet the burden because they were not going to law

581
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 12: enforcement with evidence. Sean Colmes did not prevent them or

582
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 12: threaten them or bribe them from going to law enforcement.

583
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 12: He only bribed them or he only paid them this money.

584
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 12: They didn't say bribe, I said bribe, but they were

585
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 12: only paid this money because of the fact that he

586
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 12: was scared of reputational damage.

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, joining US investigative reporter from Crime Story. Sidney,

588
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Speaker 1: the evidence regarding bribery was overwhelming. Of course, his state's

589
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: not throwing out that predicate at the underlying felony of bribery.

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00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: That was very strong evidence.

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Speaker 5: Recap absolutely man see when we saw it multiple times,

592
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 5: especially in relation to that Intercontinental Hotel video. So first,

593
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: when the security guard first intervened because Cassie called for

594
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 5: help on that hotel phone, Colmes tried to bribe that

595
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: security guard to walk away and pretend he didn't see anything,

596
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: so tried to hand him a five inch stack of cash.

597
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: Then we saw paying for the actual security tape itself,

598
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: and come on. Obviously those security guards understood that they

599
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 5: shouldn't take this to law enforcement. And further, yes, it

600
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: was said, hey, just let me know if law enforcement

601
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 5: contacts you, it's okay, tell them the truth. But it

602
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 5: was definitely implied that he did not want the security

603
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: guards to push this any further. And not only did

604
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: he pay off those security guards, he doubled the money

605
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: that they asked for. They initially just asked for fifty K.

606
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: He gave them a one hundred k as patting, So

607
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 5: it wasn't he had no qualms about paying somebody off

608
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Speaker 5: to stay quiet.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons is joining us Director Operations USPA nation Wide Security,

610
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: leading a team of investigators that were really globally Brian

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Speaker 1: has Gibbons bribery. It's you don't see it a lot

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Speaker 1: because typically people are smart enough not to have witnesses.

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: But in this case, there is a trail a mile

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Speaker 1: wide about the bribery.

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00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, and bribery, as you know, is very hard to

616
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Speaker 13: prove right. Typically this is a one to one transaction,

617
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 13: no witnesses, very difficult to have a paper trail on.

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Speaker 13: But I think what you're going to see here, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: You know, if they remove that bribery, they remove the

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Speaker 13: some of these other charges. What the judge instructs the

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Speaker 13: jury is going to be so important here. You know,

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Speaker 13: a past consensual act doesn't mean that Diddy could have

623
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Speaker 13: coerced somebody into sex labor. A past transaction doesn't mean

624
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 13: that he could have then push forced labor on one

625
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 13: of these folks.

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00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: That were witnesses.

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 13: So the judge's instructions to the jury on these other

628
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 13: charges that the prosecution feels like they have more probative

629
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 13: evidence for are going to be very important here.

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00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. This state is now focusing on those

631
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: predicate acts, the underlying felonies that show Rico. They're relying

632
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Speaker 1: on the strongest ones and getting rid of the weakest ones.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of bribery, does the name Flores ring a

634
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: bell to anybody? He took a stand in under oath

635
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Speaker 1: He described show Comb's offering him hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars Listen.

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00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 14: Flores tells the court Ventura said she wanted to get

638
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 14: her bag and leave, but before he could escort her

639
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 14: to their room, Combs stopped him, displaying a stack of

640
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 14: one hundred dollars bills that was four or five inches deep.

641
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 14: Flores says he interpreted the offer as a bribe to

642
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 14: forget what he saw. Flores declines Combs's money and escorts

643
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 14: the couple back to the room.

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Speaker 1: So there's and there is also Eddie Garcia. Eddie Garcia

645
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: is the guard who was offered one hundred thousand dollars.

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00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: Flores is the one that helped Cassie get out, but

647
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Speaker 1: before he could go, Shawancom's flashed a stack of money

648
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: at him. Listen to this. Also, we've got Christina Korum

649
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: in on the bribery. There's no way out of the

650
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: bribery because it's even in texts thanks to Christina Korum. Listen.

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Speaker 15: Christina Korum keeps in touch with several staff members in

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Speaker 15: the hours after the attack, including security guard d Rock

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Speaker 15: and assistant Eli Maroon. Quorum keeps d Rock updated on

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Speaker 15: Comb's location and checks in on Maroon's progress getting the

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Speaker 15: footage from security. When Maroon tells Korum they aren't playing nice,

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Speaker 15: Quorum steps in herself to speak with Eddie Garcia. A

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Speaker 15: photo of Garcia's driver's license on Korum's phone, and call

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Speaker 15: records between Quorum, Garcia and Colms corroborates Garcia's testimony about

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Speaker 15: handing the footage over to Colmbs in exchange for one

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Speaker 15: hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: So again, as Sidney Sumner reminds us all jogging our memory,

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Speaker 1: refreshing our recollection, Combs doubled his offer. So you know what,

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Speaker 1: when you think about it at Dobay there, it's like

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Speaker 1: sharks smelling blood. The media is going crazy claiming the

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Speaker 1: state is dropping charges. What they're doing is refining their case.

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Speaker 1: They're getting rid of predicated acts Arson, and they're getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the predicate act of kidnapping on Capricorn Clark,

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Speaker 1: and they're honing in on bribery. And here you've got

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Speaker 1: Christina Korum making phone calls to make sure that all

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Speaker 1: of the Intercontinental video was gone. Little did they know

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Speaker 1: that there was a surreptitious bootleg copy. But I see

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Speaker 1: what the state is doing because the bribery charge is

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Speaker 1: really strong. Toby, I don't know that.

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Speaker 8: I agree to be honest with you. And again it

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Speaker 8: goes back to what I said earlier about the definition

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Speaker 8: of state law out here in California. They have to

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Speaker 8: prove bribery under California law, and basically what they have

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Speaker 8: to show is that people are being paid off to

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Speaker 8: kind of modify the content of their testimony versus appearing

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Speaker 8: in court at all. And if you don't have that,

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00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 8: you don't have a bribery. So in theory, if I

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Speaker 8: come up to you and I offer you money not

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Speaker 8: to publish something that is not bribery, it's an act

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Speaker 8: to spare or save my reputation, particularly in the R

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Speaker 8: and B.

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Speaker 7: WoT wants music.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know what you're saying, all right, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but not that that was a non responsive door chlobe Carmichael,

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Speaker 1: did you just hear all that legal mumbo jumbo bottom line?

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Speaker 1: Shaw Comes four times correct me if I'm wrong, sending

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to get rid of the Intercontinental

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Speaker 1: video of the beatdown, right, one hundred grand and then

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Speaker 1: hack christinacorum, follow up and follow up and follow up,

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Speaker 1: just like you heard Rob Sheeter talking that Shawn Comes

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Speaker 1: is the king of follow up, even calling one of

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Speaker 1: these guards my angel for getting rid of the damning evidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what dubates talking about Look, I admit,

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Speaker 1: according to some sources, according to some court watchers, the

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Speaker 1: kidnap charge was weak and the arson charge was weak,

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Speaker 1: the bribery charge is not weak. And to be a

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Speaker 1: good trial lawyer, and just like a good psychologist, doctor Chloe,

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Speaker 1: you have to make a hard assessment at what you're

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Speaker 1: looking at before you can use it. If I got

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Speaker 1: a week arson and a week kidnapping, to hang with it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to hone in on what's really strong.

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Speaker 1: The bribery is strong, They're going to have to have

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Speaker 1: two pread kind acts to Shoreco. But the bribery is

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Speaker 1: really strong. So all that legal mambo jumbo, you think

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Speaker 1: the jury is going to understand anything.

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Speaker 10: Dubay just said, well, I do agree, Nancy that if

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Speaker 10: we wanted to get Toba's point across, we'd probably have

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Speaker 10: to learn how to tighten it up a little bit.

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Speaker 10: But I do see the point that how do we

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Speaker 10: necessarily know that that was bribery as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 10: just I want that footage and I'm going to pay

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Speaker 10: you to give it me. Do we know for sure

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Speaker 10: that that in itself represents a criminal act of bribery?

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Speaker 10: I think we'd have to ask somebody like Dubai if

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Speaker 10: you could just tell us in simpler words, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hell, don't let me clarify for doctor Chloe. Wait,

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Speaker 1: thanks are as a matter of fact, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: rely on Sydney Sumner. Sydney, could you explain the bribery fact?

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy again, so tried to hand Israel Flora is

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Speaker 5: a stack of cash to just walk away and pretend

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Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura didn't call for help.

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Speaker 3: Israel Floras refused.

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Speaker 5: He needed to do his job, and days later, when

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Speaker 5: Combs becomes aware of the fact that their security footage

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Speaker 5: capturing that entire beating on camera, he immediately sends his

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Speaker 5: staff into action to try and obtain the security footage.

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Speaker 5: And yes, it is to protect his reputation, but it

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Speaker 5: was clearly implied that he wanted to make sure this

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Speaker 5: did not go to law enforcement, and he expected that

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Speaker 5: the hotel staff would then delete all of this information.

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Speaker 5: So not only did he want the video footage in

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Speaker 5: his possession, he made sure that that security incident was

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Speaker 5: deleted permanently and never made it to anyone else's eyes.

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Speaker 5: And this went all the way up to hotel management.

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Speaker 5: So a security guard, Eddie Garcia told him no multiple times.

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Speaker 5: Eventually went to his manager and said, hey, this is

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Speaker 5: what's going on. I need your advice. The manager throughout

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Speaker 5: that fifty K number and Comb's staff immediately hopped on

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Speaker 5: it and made sure that was taken care of us.

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Speaker 5: And Comb doubled that money and he gave one hundred

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Speaker 5: K for Israel Flores. He expected Eddie Garcia to go

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Speaker 5: back to the security guard that intervened and pay him

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Speaker 5: off as well, so that Israel Flora didn't come back

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Speaker 5: out of the woodworks. And Israel Flores is actually the

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Speaker 5: only guard that didn't receive any cuts whatsoever. The manager

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Speaker 5: took more than the fifty K. Eddie Garcia took a

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Speaker 5: cut for himself, and he paid off the other guard

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Speaker 5: that was on staff with him when all of this

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Speaker 5: went down, so Israel Flores never saw a cent of

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Speaker 5: that bribery money.

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Speaker 1: As we head into a verdict, watch here at crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: we stop and remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Teresa

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Speaker 1: King Wyandot County Sheriff's Office, just forty four, shot in

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Speaker 1: the line of duty after thirteen years in law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: leaving behind three children. Austin Bailly and Rich American hero

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Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff Teresa King, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,