1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for the man, the myth, 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: the legend, not yet US president, but hope springs eternal. 5 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: It's mister Max Williams. 6 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: Let's call him a presidential hopeful, Max Williams. 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: Elect of our Hearts. You're Noel Brown. 8 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: I am President. Max has a nice ring to it. 9 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie it does. 10 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 4: We've ever had a Max president in our history. 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 5: I mean, we've had one from Michigan, where I was born, 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 5: and we've had one from Georgia who we will be 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 5: talking about today. 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: That's true, and that's no Old Brown. Again. I am 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Ben Bullen. 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Uh. We talk a lot about presidents, not just on 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: this show, but when we hang out together. Because again 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: I gotta stop saying this. We are fun at parties. 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: We make our own party, we make our own kind 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: of music. You know, we are sing our own special songs. 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: Ben, you say that, but at parties like it's a 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 5: Ronnie joke and my friend group like me dropping these 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 5: random history facts like I dropped a fact recently about 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 5: how there's no hurricanes because of the little ice age 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 5: sense which cause Nassau to be a real thing in 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 5: the pirates and stuff. Yeah, and my friends make fun 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 5: of me, But then when we're at parties, people are 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: always like, hey, hey, tell me a word fact like 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 5: stuff like that. 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 4: So I think we are fun at parties. 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 3: You guys agree, it's a party trick. 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, we have the we have the distinction that not 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: everybody has of being sponges for history and being sponges 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: for trivia. Funny story, Nola is quite good at trivia 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: and I am quite bad at trivia because my interest, 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: I would argue, are a little bit esoteric. 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: Well I mean esoteric, schmeesoteric. One person's esoteric is another 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: person's wheelhouse. 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: There we go. 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: And if we were not in podcasting, you can be 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: sure ridiculous historians that we would want to be some 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: of us would want to be president of the United 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: States of America. It's a tough job. As far like 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: as of recording today, only forty five people human individuals 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: have had this job in one way or another, And 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of historians this is considered the crowning 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: achievement of their lives. Now we always like to point out, 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: of course, that presidents do other things. I think we 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: all of us are continually astounded that Abe Lincoln is 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: somehow not recognized as a pioneering amateur wrestler. 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: And no you you bring it up off and for 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: good reason. The guy had a reach on him. He 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: had the reach. 54 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: He also had a really strong bite. He had that 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: he knew how to fight thirty he did, he did, 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: and he jumped out of windows like Salvador Dali. 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: But without hyperbole, Noel, I would argue that we've talked 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: about it in the past on different shows. I would 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: argue that wanting to be president often should disqualify you 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: from running for president. Every victory you have as a 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: president is a pyrrhic victory. It's such a this for you, Max, 62 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: it's such a kobiashi maru of a job like you. 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: You kind of can't win when you're president. 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: I mean, the game is rigged. And you're right. 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: It does seem that in general, folks who seek that 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: kind of power, you know, with every fiber of their being, 67 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: are often not necessarily worthy of it, at least in 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: the benevolent sense, right, Like people are out to kind 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: of enrich themselves and their cronies, or they just got 70 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: a taste for that sweet, sweet power. There's obviously some 71 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: some exceptions to this case, and I think we're going 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: to talk about some exceptions to this case because oftentimes 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: the exceptions to this case aren't the best of presidents, 74 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: but they are the best of people. 75 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 3: Ooh beautiful, I like that. 76 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: Well, we we also know that it is a so 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: it's a very demanding job. You can never one hundred 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: percent win because some demographic of the population of the 79 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: United States will hate you. 80 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: It's like podcasting, basically, I don't know, it's basically the 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: same as podcasting. I stand by that you said no hyperbole, 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: but I'm going to drop a little hyperbole. 83 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: I thank you very but. 84 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 5: Uh, I mean, look, presidency is tough because at most 85 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 5: fifty two percent of the country's going to like you 86 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 5: at the election, and then once they're in the office, 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 5: like twenty to forty to sixty to eighty percent of 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: those people who like you are now going to hate you, 89 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 5: and all the people who hate you before and now hate. 90 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: You still well, and it's also it's so bizarre and 91 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: galling to see presidents constantly be either rewarded or maligned 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: for something somebody else did entirely. You know, people are 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: always stepping in dealing with what came before them and 94 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: whether that was a good thing or a bad thing, 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: either taking credit for it or getting dunked on. 96 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: For it exactly. And we can also say, unfortunately for 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: the currently forty five individuals throughout US history, mostly white men, yeah, 98 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: who have so far, who have served as as US president, 99 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: we know it has a deleterious effect on their health studies. 100 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: Before and after picks are real. 101 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Humdinger, Oh, I found a cool ques from a former 102 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: president Barack Obama served two terms back in the day. 103 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: And Rock Hussein Obam, Oh, my god, you sound like 104 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: my uncle. 105 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and so he uh he said, uh yeah, uh. 106 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: He reacted in an interview where someone said, hey, does 107 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: the does being potus president of the United States? Does 108 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: it accelerate your aging? Does it endanger your health? And 109 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: he said, look, I don't dye my hair, and a 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: lot of world leaders do. I won't say who, but 111 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: their barbers know and their hair. 112 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: Oh it's funny. What a nice dig man, you know. 113 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, It's like Barack Obama is 114 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: often credited as being like such a kind of liberal 115 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: bastion of a president or whatever. But that guy did 116 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: some gnarly stuff too, but kind of gets a pass 117 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: because he makes fire playlists. So here we are not 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: here to litigate necessarily politics. That is not the nature 119 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: of this show, because it is a sticky wicket, and 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: we've certainly in this our divisive times. This is a 121 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: refuge for people that maybe want to escape from that 122 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: kind of divisive talk. So we could do an episode 123 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: about the history of politics without having to come down 124 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: on one side or the other be jerks about anyone's 125 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: particular politics. 126 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: So perfect anti trigger warning, I guess that's what this is. 127 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: Safe space. Somebody almost to say trigger warning anymore. 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: You're supposed to say like activation, you're activated instead of triggerious. 129 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: Apparently because of the oh gosh, the connotation. 130 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: I do think it has to do with perhaps the 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: connotation of firearms. I think, well, which would make sense 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: that I'm okay with, But I do sometimes struggle with 133 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: political correctness. 134 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk all the disclaimer, not ideology. These 135 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: are very interesting people. We're not going to talk about 136 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: all forty five. But a while back, the three of 137 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: us had a conversation off air because we are actually 138 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: friends and do hang out sometimes so use out of 139 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: work and we we said, uh, we said, oh, man, 140 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: I think it may have started with our buddy George W. 141 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Bush and his painting career. But we we had this 142 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: idea about what happens to us presidents if they're not assassinated, 143 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: if they survived the health risk, what do they do 144 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: after they leave office? And thank goodness, our pal Max 145 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: Williams is our research associate for this probably two part episode. 146 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: And Max found something that really stuck out to us 147 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: from reader's digest, which was about John Quincy Adams. Noel, 148 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: could you do the honors on this one? 149 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely? John Quincy Adams once said, there's nothing more about 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't know how John Quincy Adams spoke. 151 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: I'm just going to do it, man, do it like 152 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: there is vaguely British. 153 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: Yes, early translant, do it in your. 154 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: Own as nothing more but thatic and live than a farmer. 155 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: Presidents trans Atlantic love it, Okay, John, And that's me, 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: John Quincy Adams. 157 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: This is how I talk. 158 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: That's that's good. That's the key to an impression. Always 159 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: say your name so people know I should have I 160 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: should have said, uh uh oh, well, we're not going 161 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: back to the Obama now, but we'll get to it 162 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: at the end of part two. 163 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: But the future. 164 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, John Quincy Adams Uh sounds a little depressed there, 165 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: and he's not being depressed out of clear blue sky 166 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: or whole cloth. Uh. You can look at former potuses 167 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: like John Tyler. 168 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 169 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: He is president after William Henry Harrison makes a bad 170 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: weather decision. 171 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: Uh, and is that affair with all times? 172 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: All times? 173 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 5: Through our research in the Comsless Curse episode, I found 174 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 5: that that was just a thing he did, was go 175 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 5: walk around in the rain. 176 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it rains, he takes he takes rain walks. Yeah. 177 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: I would argue that old j q A is a 178 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: sentiment I think is a little harsh. I like, yeah, 179 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: I think it's a little harsh. 180 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: Guys. 181 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: I think we're going to talk about some presidents today 182 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: in this our two part episode on post presidential life 183 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: who went on to do some great things and may 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: well have cemented their legacy with the work they did. 185 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: After being president. 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 1: Yes, right, yes, And our buddy Adams was kind of 187 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: a poudy boy. Our buddy Harrison is a little bit emo. Clearly, 188 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: if you listen to the discography of the amazing band Garbage, 189 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: most of it is based on the career of William 190 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: Henry Harris's little known actual facts. Yes, yeah, just like 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: the vice presidential debate, no one fact check us. 192 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: I was told they would be checking, right, what a 193 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: thing is I. 194 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: Sorry, we said we're gonna get political, but I think 195 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: we could all come. 196 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: Down on that side. 197 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: It gets objectively comical, as it was my understanding that 198 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: I could openly lie. 199 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: In this uh in these proceedings. 200 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Also, don't say you're at t Anaman Square if you're not. 201 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 5: But also, you know, fact checking often doesn't use alternate facts. 202 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 3: Ah, yes, yes, right. 203 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Shout out to our buddy Josh aka Samuel Clemens aka 204 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: Mark Twain aka Josh Josh uh So, after leaving the 205 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: White House, our buddy John T. Big Tie goes back 206 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: to Virginia. He's still super duper racist even for the time, 207 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: So he has a bunch of children, he joins the 208 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: secessionist movement of the time, and then he dies. Obviously, 209 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: John Tyler, enough time has passed. If you're listening, sir, 210 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: you were not the best of the bunch. 211 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, he's probably already he's probably already there. Yeah. 212 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: Okay, gosh, we promised no politics in here. He are, 213 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: But come on, these are all pretty objective, actively easy 214 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: to agree on, and we can get that slavery was bad, 215 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: I hope. 216 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: So gosh, yeah, I hope that's not a hot take 217 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, as we're recording us. 218 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: A divisive times that nothing would surprise me. 219 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have to say our first president that 220 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: we really want to examine here is a guy that 221 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: we wish very much a happy New Year. Birthdays are 222 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: the only real new year, so regardless of your ideology, 223 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: obviously we're biased because we're Georgia boys. Let's give a 224 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: shout out to James Earl Carter Junior, who just as 225 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: a oh gosh, just two days ago turned one hundred 226 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: years old. He is in hospice currently. We referenced him 227 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: in a previous episode with one of our favorite statements 228 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: or observations about the guy, Jimmy Carter, only president from Georgia, 229 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: by the way, might not have been the best president 230 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: in American history, but he's often said to be the 231 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: best person to be president. 232 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 233 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: I may have been heavy handedly alluding to him in 234 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: the opening quite a bit, because boy did he go 235 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: on to do some really cool stuff, but also, boy 236 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: was he not a particularly effective president. Born in October first, 237 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty four and Plains Georgia. I don't even know 238 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: where Plains Georgia is. Gues It is down south, Okay, 239 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: down south. It's the south of the South. 240 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: I mean it's a small town. It's a small town. 241 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: He was, of course a peanut farma and talk of 242 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: politics and devotion to the Baptist Church were a big 243 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: part of his upbringing. Again, one could argue that he 244 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: came by his political aspirations more honestly than some. He 245 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: graduated nineteen forty six from the Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland, 246 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: pretty prestigious institution. 247 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: For that kind of thing. 248 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: He married Rosalind Smith, henceforth as Rosalind Carter, who is 249 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: also beloved in her own right, probably worthy of an 250 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: episode unto herself. And Carter will go on to serve 251 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: seven years in the Navy before again entering the world 252 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: of politics. 253 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go to our friends at Britannica to 254 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: learn more about this political career. So our buddy Jimmy 255 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: starts starts off in politics, working at the Board of Education. 256 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: People love his vibe. He's just so wholesome and genuine. 257 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: Easy going. Yeah, he's not one of the bad. 258 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Peanut farmers, I guess. So this gets him elected to 259 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: the State Senate of Georgia in nineteen sixty two, and 260 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: then eight years later he becomes the governor of Georgia 261 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy. Not to call anybody out, but some 262 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: of our fellow ridiculous historian may remember that election and 263 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: he's governor. He's governor for a little while. But this 264 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: is really this happens all the time with governors if 265 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: they're successful. He's really setting the stage to run for 266 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: president in nineteen seventy six, and he doesn't. He's like 267 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: kind of grassroots about it. If we're being honest, we 268 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: are we try to be whenever possible. 269 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: I do have a question for you, guys, because I 270 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: don't know this man's history as well as maybe you 271 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: or Max do, But was he kind of always on 272 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: the right side of civil rights in his political career? 273 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: It just seems like a divisive time where you know, 274 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: a governor of Georgia in the seventies. Someone who was 275 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: in politics in the sixties from the South may have 276 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: still had some lingering remnants of the old ways. 277 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: I would argue he was an actual Christian. That's the good. 278 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: I can't say it was certain, but I'm pretty darn certain. 279 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 5: And you know, this is post Lester Maddox, who was 280 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 5: the what was that nineteen sixty four election which. 281 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: Lester Maddox was an open like segregationist. 282 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were tons of those around, is what I'm 283 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: getting at. So I mean, he's certainly not known for that. 284 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: But I also didn't listen to all his speeches, and 285 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: I just wonder if there was ever any inkling that 286 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: he maybe was on the fence or something. 287 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: But it seems like he was a human rights advocate 288 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: for the start. 289 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy was a guy who, like again, the reason I 290 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: and not to pick on people for religion at all, 291 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: but the reason that he I say that he was 292 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: an actual Christian is because he did not attempt to 293 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: use his religious ideology or warp it in a way 294 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: that helped do evil things like when when he was reading, 295 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, Bibles, he was taking that stuff to heart 296 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: and he thought he did think all people are equal, 297 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: and if he ever stepped out a line, I'm sure 298 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Rosalin would have smacked the crap out of him. 299 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, she kept him honest, for sure. They had a 300 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: very seemingly very loving and honest relationship with one another. 301 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had a great He had a for 302 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the campaign wonks here. He had a phenomenal campaign structure 303 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: and strategy. And this is why, this is why we 304 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: see a quite rare and extraordinary political rise. Set what 305 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: Board of Education to Senate in nineteen sixty two, governor 306 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six years later, you're running for president. 307 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't happen for every US governor. And because of 308 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: this grassroots stuff, he becomes a viable, or not yet viable, 309 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: an interesting candidate. We could argue one of the reasons 310 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: he does assume office is because old Nixon messes up. 311 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. There was a scandal, you know, at the 312 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 3: Watergate hotel. 313 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: He was in fact a crook as it turned down, 314 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: and I believe his history would remember him. 315 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 5: And who just jump in here real quick, because I 316 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 5: actually have an article pulled up. It is Jimmy Carter's 317 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 5: pivotal role in George's black civil rights struggle written by 318 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: Chauncey Alcorn for Capital Bing News Atlanta, quoting just delivered 319 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 5: right here. Carter, after his second election to state governor, 320 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: said the lines the time for racial discrimination is over. 321 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 5: No poor, rural week or black person should ever have 322 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 5: to bear the additional burden of being deprived of the 323 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 5: opportunity of an education, a. 324 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: Job, or simple service. 325 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 5: That was from nineteen seventy, after he won second one, 326 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 5: but even beforehand. The article goes on to say, during 327 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 5: his time as a state senator from nineteen sixty three 328 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 5: to nineteen sixty seven, Carter worked to repeal laws that 329 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 5: made it harder for black people to vote. His pro 330 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: integration positions likely led him losing his first bid for 331 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 5: governor of Georgia in nineteen sixty six. 332 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: Hey here here, you love to hear it. Glad that 333 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: we could have that confirmed for this again. 334 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: Yeah again. 335 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: People who actually practice the religious ideologies that they sort 336 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: of signal preach. 337 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, right there, we go practice what you preach. 338 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: This dude does this, And I think it's amazing when 339 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: you start at the Board of Education, right, you see 340 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: the foundational structure that's a habitat for humanity shout out 341 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: so here's the deal. This guy, because of Watergate, this 342 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: guy who would have been kind of an also candidate, 343 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: becomes now viable, now incredibly attractive to voters who are 344 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: increasingly cynical of the Beltway horse trading and the old corrupt, 345 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: nepotistic style of American politics. And he is campaigning on 346 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: something that a lot of presidential candidates love to campaign on, 347 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: common sense, the common sense outsider. 348 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: You know, it's just me, you know what I mean. 349 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: I just like to put my genes on and I 350 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: talk to farm you know, I do nuclear I like. 351 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: To have my servants put my genes on one leg 352 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: at a time. 353 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: And he is not. He is not one of those patricians. 354 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: So the issue is that he's also an unfailingly honest guy. 355 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: So he's not blowing smoke when he says he's an outsider. 356 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: And when he enters, when he achieves the presidency, when 357 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: he enters the White House, there is a system, and 358 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: that system, it turns out, is kind of against him. 359 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Like keep in mind, people like Strom Thermond are still alive, 360 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: and they're super doubling down on all of their beat 361 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: me here Max, on all of their evil. 362 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: Ship That's right, I mean, this was kind of the 363 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, not not to say that there hasn't 364 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: always been some adversity between branches of government, but it 365 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: does feel like at this point Congress, in the post Watergate, 366 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, environment was a little more willing to challenge 367 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: the executive branch. So speaking of inheriting messes, Carter was 368 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: kind of neutered from the start in terms of his 369 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: ability to kind of get things done. 370 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a big you could argue that is 371 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: a feature or a bug or a flaw in the 372 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: design of American government, which is that the president has 373 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: a lot of power in foreign relations, but in terms 374 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: of the domestic life for people in the United States, 375 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Congress can hamstring a lot of ideas that people have 376 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: voted for in a presidential election. 377 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: That's why it's almost more important to have consensus between 378 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: those branches of government than it is to vote in 379 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: your favorite guy for president. 380 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: And it stinks, you know, because, as you pointed out, 381 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: in most people in this country who are voting a 382 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: lot of caveats there, they are only voting every four 383 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: years for the US presidential election. 384 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: And they're voting big show. 385 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're voting on the big show. They're voting on 386 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: often vaguely outlined ideas. And then if you're not voting 387 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: in the midterms, if you're not voting for congressional representatives, 388 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: those great ideas, those ambitious concepts, can often not reach 389 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: to reality. So by nineteen seventy eight, our boy Jimmy, 390 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: his popularity has dissipated. People loved him as a viable, 391 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: wholesome alternative candidate, but because he and Congress just could 392 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: not come to a same vibe on things, he was 393 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: seen as legislatively impotent. 394 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: Well and speaking of yeah, neuterd right, I think that's accurate, 395 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: ben No, speaking of you know, inheriting other people's messes. 396 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: It's also interesting to me how so many factors of 397 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: American life are just life in general in the world, 398 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: are at the whims of factors that are outside of 399 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: the control of any human being, and yet there's this 400 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: expectation that a president is meant to steer the course 401 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: of these events single handedly in some cases, and it's 402 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: just it's a fool's errand most of the time it's 403 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: it's very, very, very difficult to affect that level of 404 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: change as a single person. And of course, with skyrocketing inflation, 405 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: a hostage crisis in Iran, the October Surprise, the October Surprise, 406 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: and we're still waiting for ours to drop. But you know, 407 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: general dislike and distrust of Democrats, Conservatism running wild and 408 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: becoming a kind of new, particularly vehement and toxic flavor 409 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: of conservatism. It really hamstrung Carter in a way that 410 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: was not fair and not his fault, but there it was. 411 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: And of course he lost the nineteen eighty election to 412 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 2: the actor Ronald Reagan. 413 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Yes, Ronald Reagan from earlier films. Let's unpack some of this. Yeah, yeah, 414 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: let's unpack some of the stuff you're alluding to there, 415 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: nol So, I love the point about I love I 416 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: love the point about one person. Right, It's very easy 417 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: to play Monday quarterback for the president of the United States. 418 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: It's easy, with the benefit of retrospect, to look back 419 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: and say this is what you should have done right. 420 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: And when we talk about inflation, what we need to 421 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: remember is that inflation often is a reactive process with 422 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: multiple stakeholders who have conflicting goals. And you could argue, 423 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not supporting dictators here, but you could argue 424 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: it is very difficult for someone with a four year 425 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: time window to make decisions or make policies that come 426 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: to fruition within show. So such such a short span 427 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: of time, so often you're local president inherits neighborhood president 428 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: right inherits economic policies from the previous not just administration singular, 429 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: but from the previous administrations. And now this is a 430 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: very tempting, you know, this is like a ring of 431 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: power at mortor do you throw it or do you 432 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: keep it kind of thing, because as much as I 433 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: personally love the guy Franklin Delano Roosevelt came very close 434 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: to becoming a dictator, which is anti American, and he's 435 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: he is the reason that we have term limits. 436 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: One hundred per cents. 437 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: So given all of these factors, many of which were 438 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: beyond Carter's control, and again we're not here being apologists 439 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: for any particular politician, these are just facts. 440 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: I mean, it is. 441 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: Very unfair to saddle a single individual with like the 442 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: course of civilization everyone. 443 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: It's yeah, it is. And that's exactly what we alluded 444 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: to at the top of the show. 445 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: And as we're as we're moving through this, one of 446 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: the last points that's very important to make here in 447 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carr political career is like you were talking about, 448 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: conservatism in this case may not be the same kind 449 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: of conservatism people are familiar with in the mid two thousands, 450 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of it is oriented toward the idea 451 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: of America first isolationism. 452 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: Like why am I a voter in Saint Louis? 453 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: You know, why am I saddled with this responsibility for 454 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: the Middle East? 455 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: I've never been there? 456 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: You know? 457 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: That is a huge part of the conservative push against 458 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: Carter's administration, attempting to bring peace to the world. 459 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say there's a little bit of that going 460 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: around right now or these days in the current form 461 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: of conservatism. I mean, there does appear to be a 462 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: form of this kind of isolationism, at least where things 463 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 2: like immigration are concerned and the idea of other countries 464 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: paying their fair share and all of that stuff. 465 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: Oh, shout out to the Darien gap. Yeah it's a 466 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: light spoiler. 467 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's comings, But no, I think that's right. 468 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: It does feel like we're starting to see conservatism sort 469 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: of come back around to this type of thinking. 470 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Right, So, yeah, the idea of the American experiment has 471 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: always been a brainstorm, right, who's got the best elevator pitch? 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: Who can who can deliver? 473 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: At this time, I got to stop because I almost 474 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: went into my al Pacino Devil's Advocate. But uh, like you, 475 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: like you said, this is our series on presidents who 476 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: did stuff after being president. Right now, we've been talking 477 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: about Carter's uh presidency, which was very Kobeashi Maru. 478 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: So Noel, you said. He loses the. 479 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Election to a guy named Ronald Reagan, a real up 480 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: and coming actor. I haven't seen his recent films now, 481 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: well there was, remember that he was in them. 482 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: I believe Dennis Quaid plays him in a recent biopic 483 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: that's supposed to be super good. But at this point 484 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: in his life, he's in his mid to late fifties, 485 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: pretty young, pretty young to do some more stuff because 486 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: his presidency, it turned out, would be just one act 487 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: of his story. And shortly after leaving the White House, 488 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: the Carter's established the famous Carter Presidential Center here in 489 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: Atlanta for you know, humanitarian efforts, all kinds of different 490 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: projects here and abroad. Carter also became a diplomat, very 491 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: well regarded esteemed diplomat helped to settle conflicts in places 492 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: like Nicaragua, Panama, Ethiopia, Haiti, and North Korea. And he 493 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: was able to kind of carry on those aspirations for 494 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: international peace, but in a way that he, with his 495 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: personal wealth and influence, could actually make an impact on 496 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: outside of the rig game that is the presidency and 497 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: or the US government. Habitat Humanity you may have heard of. 498 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: He became heavily involved in that organization building houses for 499 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: people less fortunate, and of course, you know, being Jimmy 500 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: Carter and being a bit of a polymath overachiever, but 501 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: in like the best possible way. 502 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: He also becomes a prolific writer, with over thirty books 503 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: to his name, and I actually I think he actually 504 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: wrote the majority of those, which is exceptional in the 505 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: world of politics. Just being honest, there. 506 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times I'll put a name on 507 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: the book, but there would be a ghost writers of plenty. 508 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: They are not writing their own. 509 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: Bars right right exactly, And thank you for saying that. 510 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: But also, you know, a guy gets lauded and applauded 511 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the world around. He gets a Nobel Peace Prize in 512 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, I don't. 513 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: I don't just give those out Willy Nelly. The Peace 514 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: Prize controversial man, oh really because of the dynamite. Because 515 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: Alfred Nobel, Yeah, we know the piece. 516 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: Actually, the Peace Prize would be a great or Nobel 517 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: in general would be a great episode. 518 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: Fun fact. 519 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: Our pal former President Carter did all of these things 520 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: while also regularly teaching Sunday school over at the Baptist 521 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: Church in Plains, Georgia. 522 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: Old hometown hero, practicing what he preached. 523 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: Carter is a huge list of accolades from his presidency 524 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: and life outside of the presidency are so incredibly robust 525 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: that Britannica has sort of an interactive experience, the Jimmy 526 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: Carter Experience online for exploring his many many achievements which 527 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: are just too numerous to list here on one podcast. 528 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: He also has one of the best animated cameos ever, 529 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: with his bulletproof limo being exposed as an not being 530 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: able to withstand the nail gun in King of the Hill, 531 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: which I have been watching rewatching lately, and BOYD does 532 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: that show hold up. It is the cozy, delightful, good natured, 533 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: wholesome cartoon. I think it's better than a lot of 534 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: you know, live action shows. It's got heart, and you 535 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: know who the heart of the show is, as young 536 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: Bobby Hill who confuses Jimmy Carter for Jesus Christ. 537 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: Understandable, you know it happens. Max's laugh from there as well. 538 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: I remember I remember one time having to drop a 539 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: love mic in Jimmy Carter. 540 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was very nice. 541 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: Guy. 542 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 3: I was terrified. 543 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: This was at the Carter Center, which is still here 544 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: in the US or in Atlanta specifically and does a 545 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: lot of election monitoring. Nicest guy. 546 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: Uh. 547 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: Secret tip by the way, if you were ever in 548 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the Atlanta metro area and you want a fun, kind 549 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: of free, cool afternoon date, they have a Koi pond 550 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: and a little garden out back of the Carter Center. 551 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: And if you're as much of a Larry David cheapskate 552 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: as me, you don't have to pay to go there. 553 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: You could walk through and they'll let you in and 554 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: it's perfect for picnic. It's got one of the best 555 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: views of the Atlanta skyline. 556 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 3: It's over there kind of behind Ponts right or near 557 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 3: in that sort of wooded area right. 558 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: There, this right by Free and Parkway, Freedom Parkway exactly, yes, 559 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: of course, and that is now I sound like it's funny. 560 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: Guys. A little while back, I was over at a 561 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: grocery store buying juice, and I heard this guy who 562 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: was ranting about New Deal legislation in a grocery store. 563 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: Amazing dude. He's eighty nine years old right now and 564 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: navy veteran. And we were talking about Roosevelt. 565 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: This guy. 566 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: You know, if you do the math real quick, he 567 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: was ten years old when Roosevelt passed away and he 568 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: is still alive. History is so much closer than it 569 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: looks in the rear view mirror. And I know we've 570 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: we've gone long on this, but I think, Noel, it's 571 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: appropriate for us to spend this time on Carter. Maybe 572 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: maybe part two is our buddies atoms and of course 573 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: the legendary taf T. 574 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it makes sense. 575 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: Ben, We obviously are a bit of Carter stands, you know, 576 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: him being from our hometown and you know, having done 577 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: such amazing humanitarian work. And it's not it's a political 578 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: to give the guy props for those things that he accomplished, 579 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 2: you know, later in his life. 580 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: I think he's a shining example. 581 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: Also, he did just turn one hundred. You pointed out 582 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: off Mike in our text said that he's not looking 583 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: super great. He you know, one hundreds a pretty serious milestone. 584 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't imagine we're going to have old JC around 585 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: for too much longer. So we wanted to lead with 586 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: this one and felt like he deserved basically his own episode. Yes, yeah, 587 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: And as we're recording this, it is October third. This 588 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: is going to be publishing on October eighth, and we 589 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: hope that former President Jimmy Carter is around to hear it. 590 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: His main thing now is that he wants to stick 591 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: around to vote, to vote in the next election, in 592 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: the next POTUS election. So we got your back, Jimmy, 593 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: big fans here in Georgia, and we are going to 594 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: call this part one of presidents who did a lot 595 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: after being president. 596 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: We jumped around in time. 597 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: But join us Thursday when we are diving into some 598 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: even more fascinating careers. And yes, spoiler, we're going to 599 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: get to some art criticism of the noted painter George W. 600 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 3: Bush in the meantime. 601 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: Huge thanks to super producer Max Williams for assembling this 602 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: research dossier. Alex Williams, who composed this banging Bob that 603 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 2: you're hearing. 604 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: In your ear holes right now. 605 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Big big thanks to our pal Gabeluesier, Big big things 606 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: to Eve's Jeff Coke, Christopher hasiotis here in spirit, doctor Z, 607 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: Jeff b Andrea. Oh some folks you haven't met yet. 608 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: And you know what, these kind of episodes always remind 609 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: me of, folks, Our buddy A j. Bahamas Jacobs. 610 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: Long may he rain in the Bahamas as a benevolent dictator. 611 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: Do you think we'll ever end up doing something like 612 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: post podcasting careers for people? 613 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 3: I mean, god, I hope not. You know, we'll get 614 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 3: to podcast until the day we dive in. 615 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: What would what would Jonathan Strickland aka the Quiztor be doing? 616 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 4: Super Villain? 617 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 3: Supervillain or musical theater? Here you go, Yeah, maybe when 618 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 3: they're not mutually exclusive. See you next time, folks. 619 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 620 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.